g the printer queue forward (click on its dock
icon while it's doing its thing), then it sticks around until you
quit it.
If you leave it alone, it should quit automatically.
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s
100+ ms for those pings isn't too bad, because guugle.com is in
Berlin Germany.
Please do a traceroute to phl.speakeasy.net
You're in the Baltimore area?
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You r
ash 2 up to the latest Flash
10. Grab a few, save 'em, share 'em with friends! Then you
can easily install whichever you need at will.
Good luck.
For the sake of all things sane, PLEASE remember to run backups
BEFORE installing
bunch of tabs
and throwing the urls back into them and starting them loading?
Yes, FF does that (even the latest 3.1beta).
Great way to create a "crash loop".
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f even one pointer is off -- you
will LOSE data. This is SO risky I never ever ever ever ever do it.
It is ALWAYS better to make full backups, re-partition the drive
cleanly, then reload each volume.
FWIW,
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drive(s)? What OS's are involved?
>At present, I'm using Disk Utility on the PCI Graphics machine to
>Verify the backup drive, to include the first partition containing my
>Time Machine backup. Can I trust the results if positive
At 1:10 PM -0500 10/21/2008, George Hozendorf wrote:
>anyone tried the latest version of Carbon Copy Cloner 3.1.2? On my
>machine it's incredibly faster.
hum. Hadn't even realized it was out! I'll give it a whirl. Thx!
Might be interesting to compare it to the late
Sometimes the settings seem to get "stuck".
Try trashing
/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.PowerManagement.plist
Then open System Preferences, and do your Energy Saver settings.
Then reboot.
HTH,
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nd erase my old drive to repartition it, and
>trust my backup CCC partitions? now that no errors are reported by
>Disk Utility?
If the backups are on the drive you "added" partitions, then I
personally would not trust them.
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At 6:02 AM -0400 10/22/2008, insightinmind wrote:
>On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Dan wrote:
> > So you had a large empty space that was unpartitioned? If not, then
> > you didn't just "add"... you did a massive data move to create the
>> contiguous free sp
7;s because if the file was too fragmented, its
playback performance suffered. But between i/o and cpu speeds these
days, even that's not really an issue anymore.
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on the "Open Files and Ports" tab. Wait a bit for
the window to fill. Then information there should lead you to its
location.
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your own Mac. Do you have an overzealous (ad) blocker running? A
corrupted cache? Try a different/new user account. Try the beta.
etc
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7;m still paranoid about perfect head alignment... Drives are factory
formatted horizontally. If you're going to run it vertically, then I
recommend zero'ing it vertically first. That way if the heads don't
swing perfectly, you'll KNOW before it starts throwing data into
ob
At 3:34 PM -0400 10/23/2008, John Musbach wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> First, it does not pass the "does that make sense" test. Firefox 3
>> has gone through *three* releases and umpteen alphas and betas, not
>&g
y. It's done with a step motor and
springs. As the drive ages, metal fatigues. If you suddenly change
the gravitational orientation by 90 degrees, the amount of pressure
on the arm changes quite a bit! If the servo motor can no longer
compensate...
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At 2:37 PM -0700 10/23/2008, PeterH wrote:
>On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Dan wrote:
> > Each set of heads is on an arm, whoze positioning is *critical* --
>> the head has to line up exactly over the track, or it fails to read
>> or write the data correctly. It's
should be
Don't guess. Know. Guessing wrong could damage your hardware.
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9.0.124.0 - the regular ppc version, not the ub. The ub seems more
crashy than the ppc.
FWIW,
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r and installed/deinstalled these extensions a coupla times.
>Bad idea I guess, because now the program crashes on startup.
What does do the system, console, and crash logs say?
Does the app work in a different user account?
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the results of this command, in Terminal:
ls -al libstdc*
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e transferred without the original hardware.
>I'm looking for a way to get a copy of 10.4 inexpensively.
Look for a full retail kit.
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At 3:31 PM -0600 10/26/2008, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>On 10/26/08, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 4:48 PM -0600 10/25/2008, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>>>OS Version: 10.2.8 (Build 6R73)
>>>
>>>RealPlayer 10.1.0 (for OS X) and I have tried to use it
ne use the other volume. And when it farks up, you can
wipe it out and still have that other volume as your primary backup.
Maybe sometime Time Machine will be ready to run without training wheels...
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above.
>
>Things are ok now.
The PMU finally got completely booted.
But you've probably drained that battery quite a bit... If you have
problems booting in the future, replace the battery.
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an recover anything it will tell you - for free. You don't
have to pay unless you want to do a full recovery.
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At 2:47 PM -0400 10/27/2008, insightinmind wrote:
>Which button is the CUDA?
The left one. :)
>(jpeg being sent offlist).
Reply sent offlist.
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At 2:01 PM -0700 10/27/2008, PeterH wrote:
>On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Dan wrote:
> > One *formats* a drive. Usually this is done at the factory. The
>> last step of which is to lay down a partition map (Apple or GID), and
>> create (non-mountable) partitions to con
ch is to lay down a partition map (Apple or GID), and
create (non-mountable) partitions to contain drivers and such.
THEN you create the "user" partitions (mountable volumes) and
*initialize* the files systems therein.
You can view all the partitions with a command such as:
di
At 3:18 PM -0700 10/27/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Al Poulin wrote:
> >> From: Dan
> >> Maybe sometime Time Machine will be ready to run without training
> >> wheels...
>>
> > So, Time Machine is not yet robustly mature
file's extension and
look at the header to figure out what the format be? Even cheap/free
products do that!
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, so even with hubs it's bandwidth limited.
I donno. The more I write this, the more I'm thinking folx would be
better off building their own disk server with an old PM G3 or G4 and
a SATA card. Use the home router provided by your broadband ISP fo
At 12:04 PM -0400 10/28/2008, Wilton Shaw wrote:
>I looked under "Partition Map Scheme" and it says "Master Boot Record".
>Is this right or wrong?
Apple Partion Map is *required* to boot PowerPC based Macs.
Intel-based Macs use GID.
Windoze uses Master Boot Record.
At 9:17 PM -0400 10/22/2008, Al Poulin wrote:
>On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Dan wrote:
> > At 1:10 PM -0500 10/21/2008, George Hozendorf wrote:
>>> anyone tried the latest version of Carbon Copy Cloner 3.1.2? On my
>>> machine it's incredibly faster.
>>
At 4:11 PM -0400 10/29/2008, Dan wrote:
>5. Need to look into CCC's handling of the various Cache directories.
My worry was the CCC was copying caches - those directories aren't
listed in the docs as ones that are ignored. Turns out that CCC is,
as expected, smart about it. T
your admin
password. Replace "fred" with the actual volume's name.
Be sure to let things sit afterward, to give Spotlight time to
complete the indexing process. Do not shutdown or sleep that Mac
until it's done. You can monitor the process using Activity Monitor
- search on
ple.com is really screwed up. Besides being
slowslowslow, it seems to rarely find on-point articles like it used
to.
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>
>The question popped in my head - is data that was deleted a part of
>this byte for bye duping process?
yes, IF it's a block-level copy.
>Is my 'deleted' data sitting out on the backup drive and I didn't know
>I put it there?
If y
any other account, in
case its number is "stolen".
3) If you need to be able to accept payments, use a service like
Paypal and *don't* connect it to your bank account.
4) Skip number 2. Use Paypal's debit mastercard instead. That makes
your online fundage a
At 9:27 PM -0500 10/29/2008, Kris Tilford wrote:
>ran benchmarks. Sure enough, it appears Leopard 10.5.5 was about 20%
>slower than Tiger 10.4.11. Benchmarks were run on a clean system
>with nothing else running.
What about Spotlight - did you have its indexing disabled on all volume
e speed difference is PURE speculation. 99% of OS X
is written in HOL (high order languages), not assembler (machine
language).
It is more likely that the speed differences were due to the way the
two operating systems do certain functions. Leopard uses the video
GPU and such much more than Tiger.
back on there is
>little to no activity from any 'md'
>process most I've seen is 0.6 for a second on 'mds'
Well, if you didn't actually erase the index, then there's nothing
for the indexing processes to do.
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e Macs here, tiger and leopard, say
"index removed" after a -E.
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presented in a tiny unreadble font with narrow FIXED
column size. The aritcle titles are TRUNCATED, so no matter what you
do, you can't read them.
Way to go Apple.
Oh, I know -- at least they did use a black background and dark gray text.
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At 6:39 PM -0400 10/29/2008, Dan wrote:
>At 4:11 PM -0400 10/29/2008, Dan wrote:
>>5. Need to look into CCC's handling of the various Cache directories.
>
>My worry was the CCC was copying caches - those directories aren't
>listed in the docs as ones that are ign
At 8:10 AM -0700 10/30/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>On Oct 29, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Dan wrote:
> > 2) Only use a single credit card with a low limit online. And make
>> sure that card isn't paid automatically from any other account, in
>> case its number is "sto
ut the index, you can always rm it
manually. Just remove all the files from
the top-level .Spotlight-V100 directory on that volume. Then do the
-i on, and it WILL rebuild. At that point, you could have Console
open, watching the system log... so you can see any errors that come
in...
HTH,
- Dan.
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mailing list. There have been a lot
of disussions about this in the past.
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At 12:21 PM -0400 11/1/2008, Dan wrote:
>Now it just has a link to a list on apple.com.
>http://support.apple.com/kb/index?page=articles
>
>The list is presented in a tiny unreadble font with narrow FIXED
>column size. The aritcle titles are TRUNCATED, so no matter what
>you
.log - it's in /var/logs. See if there are any errors there.
I'll check a this on my clone here...
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eat the memory. Make sure you're grounded properly while do this,
of course. If that doesn't improve things, then pull the memory and
try one stick at a time.
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h those made on my Smurf and a PB. They pass
DU repair disk with zero errors. Repair permissions just finds the
usual suspects.
I think something failed on your system. Check your system log and
the ccc log. Maybe wipe the clone and redo it. Make sure it's file
level, not block l
x27;re viewing ALL processes, sorted by CPU usage, or just your own?
>Out of the now 1GB of RAM in the computer, only about 10MB are free,
>and around 600MB are "Active."
What have you got running?
Send me some snapshots if you w
was only viewing "My Processes." I didn't even know Activity
>Monitor had that menu there. Shows how infrequently I use it. Anyway,
>I changed it to "All processes," and found out that the thing with the
>most processor usage was a Virus scanner tha
rying to clone a volume to itself."
But I think folx need to be aware of this potential problem, so they
can be careful... Keep your volumes named uniquely and ALWAYS double
check the selected source and target before hitting that Clone button!
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s from the newsletter they *used* to publish with the article
lists. Prior to 13 Sept, the email was 15 to 30 KB long, with
complete information - listing every changed and new article and
their urls. Now it's just a meatless high-noise email - no article
listing; just a link to that one
etwork, to Speakeasy's servers. That's a LOT of added
path. Oh, and the whole thing is run by a Java applet in your web
browser - so we have to factor in the speed at which your computer
runs Java!
hop hop hop
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configuration. Not normally used by your average user. Was someone
using your computer? Unless they had your admin password, the
information shown was all read-only.
What else was open?
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7;t gotten around to it yet.
NetInfo is used in OS X 10.0 thru 10.4.
It has been replaced by a number of tools in Leopard.
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At 2:09 PM -0500 11/3/2008, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 8:09 AM -0800 11/3/2008, vsedriver wrote:
>> >I came home the other day and found a couple of strange windows open
>> >on my desktop. One was for Netinfo. W
n't
decided which I like better yet.
Of course, there's always Activity Monitor's Network pane.
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says not connected. If I pull it out and put it
>back in it works again. Any ideas?
What does system and console log say?
Try pinging thru it, once every minute. See if that makes it stay awake.
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pretty interface (you just poke in with Finder to get older stuff you
need).
eg: With CCC, I cloned my whole boot volume to my external. And now
I've told CCC to backup /Users/dan every day at 4pm, incremental,
archive. Each afternoon it yammers at me to plug in the external. I
that way. If they're not, then perhaps you don't have write
access to the .DS_Store file...
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>Is this application the most demanding you would have on a fast DSL?
You're looking to swamp your DSL circuit? Try some bittorrent stuff
or some multiple-stream usenet downloads.
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assed. If you suppress it,
then you won't hear any of the error chimes either -- so you'll have
no clue that things are dying. You'll just happily sit there and
corrupt your HD etc.
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>
>Seriously, no, not at all.
I'd be wary of those UPS drivers.
A UPS at its best, is a hotbed of EM fields. No HD should be near that.
And if you do have any electrical problems, that the UPS has to
suppress or regulate, it will generate extra heat. Again, no
ck as question
>marks.
Items in the dock are just aliases. If they're showing up as
question marks, re-drag them in.
>Also I can't find the option in the new CCC where I can decide if I
>want a file to file clone done or a block clone.
Full backup is block-level.
ting some copper shielding to place between
>> them? Or the same from a local metals dealer?
>
>Why? UPS'es don't generate a significant magnetic field.
Shields, keptin! Shields!
Darn warp coils and isolation transformers. They'll suck the iron
right out of your c
then boots just fine. It runs very slowly. After a
while, depending on the type of memory errors that accumulate, either
the video starts showing artifacts or it writes bad data to the HD.
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At 7:21 PM -0800 11/6/2008, Jonas Lopez wrote:
>-- On Thu, 11/6/08, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I think the CPU monitor never is below full green. So, yes the cpu
>is now the limiting factor at 400 MHz, but that is not bad; 100 MHz
>per webcam,
I doubt you ca
rors. If none, then it might be safe to reload it from
scratch.
...If the backups you have are block-level clones, then you might not
be able to trust them! A perfect copy of corrupted data is itself
corrupted...
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make other backups too.
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At 6:47 PM -0500 11/6/2008, Doug Burton wrote:
>On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Dan wrote:
> > At 3:20 PM -0500 11/5/2008, Doug Burton wrote:
>>> upgraded DA to Tiger
>> [no further config information supplied]
>
>no further supplied because it's not relevan
isplay it...
QuickTime automatically drops frames, on your computer, if it can't
process them fast enough to maintain the time sync of the video
"feed" (be it a webcam, normal streams, or even something you're
playing locally).
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sethis.com. Seems interesting.
Do you'all use such tools?
Which do you like or dislike and why?
Thx,
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At 7:03 AM -0800 11/8/2008, Al wrote:
>On Nov 7, 11:11 am, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The nature of the backup is such that you need lower level access
>> than AFP provides. CCC supports this by creating an encrypted tunnel
>> between the two Macs
mount and open it! Do that with a shell or
applescript that runs disk utility.
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At 3:36 PM + 11/9/2008, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>Potential problems? What like smoking and burning their bedroom.
>I'll be sure to tell them.
Fans cranking away all the time, as the case gets warmer and warmer.
Sudden shutdowns, that don't occur on cooler days.
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At 9:52 PM -0500 11/9/2008, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:
>
>Is the new iMac supposed to run so hot?
How hot?
All the time, or just when you're making it work hard?
Ambient room temperature range? Good ventilation around the iMac?
They do run warm, but not anywhere near what I'd
things way too often!
See this article for recovery steps:
<http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1545>
In general, you need to get in there somehow and wipe out ApplicationEnhancer.
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At 2:34 PM -0600 11/10/2008, Kris Tilford wrote:
>On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Dan wrote:
> >> That's what happened. What I did was install "Dock Detox" for
>>> Entourage from Unsanity.
>>
>> gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's h
looking at the environment that really counts. Watch while it's
being stressed instead.
Watching the size of the pools is good, but it needs to be done in
conjunction with the page out rate - the rate at which that number
changes. If both those pools get small *and* the page out rate is
At 3:44 PM -0600 11/10/2008, Kris Tilford wrote:
>On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Dan wrote:
> > A responsible programmer would have put appropriate sanity (sic)
>> checks in their code to make sure it DOESN'T LOAD if it's on an
>> unsupported configuration.
>
bjecteth to that.
You know you have cats when you have to remove all your keycaps once
a year, so you can lift off the "woven" grid of fur that it has
accumulated therein. *shudder*
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Had an x86 iMac here. She was very unhappy with that. No flat spot
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> I'd like to have the G4 still functional as a machine for
>background renedring for Final Cut.
No problemo. And if you find that the rendering process is being
bogged or taking over too much of the computer, you can ren
o be fragile. In a normal user environment, it
seems like they fail too often. So I don't recommend them for
backups.
> > Another example is the more expensive Drobo, which has more industrial
>> weight expansion, including the gigabit NAS option with DroboShare
> >
he final Received header can be forged... take it
all with a grain of salt.
The time zone should be local with the GMT offset indicated. The
receiving client either shows that as-is or displays/converts it to
the receiver's local time. There is no standard wrt to how the
to divide the backup into DVD-sided chunks, to facilitate
easy burning. Kindof the way DiskFit did, back in the early 1990s,
with floppies. (DiskFit has grown up in both bloat and price - it's
called Retrospect now).
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it would be better to diagnose it
and get it fixed... than to chew up your bandwidth running speed
tests...
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At 9:27 AM -0700 11/12/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>On Nov 11, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>> I"m waiting for 'em to support segmenting for burning. The idea
>> being to to divide the backup into DVD-sided chunks, to facilitate
>> easy burning. Kindof the
At 9:03 AM -0800 11/12/2008, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>two external drives after minutes of being connected via USB2.0
>unmount themselves?
Volumes do not spontaneously unmount. Check the system log.
- Dan.
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At 12:39 PM -0500 11/12/2008, Donald Hall wrote:
>On Nov 12, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Dan wrote:
>> On another note... There are a lot of 1 TB drives going for $99 or
>> less right now. Careful, folx! Many of them are LP size (normal
>> 3.5" drives) but then they'
At 12:44 PM -0500 11/12/2008, Len Gerstel wrote:
>On Nov 12, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Dan wrote:
> > On another note... There are a lot of 1 TB drives going for $99 or
>> less right now. Careful, folx! Many of them are LP size (normal
>> 3.5" drives) but then they'
that? Thanks, Dennis
>
>The OS is basically the same but Server includes several applications
>for providing services and the control of same.
The 10 connection at a time limit is removed also.
Is that in a plist somewhere, that we can poke? Or were they more clever?
- Dan.
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