a mac mini is $599, so purchasing a mac isn't as expensive as folks might
think. Admittedly, if you want to use apple tools, then yes, an apple
developer account helps. However, it's not strictly necessary. If you're only
interested in writing programs for the mac (and not ios) then you need
Oh wow! I'm glad I have win 7 now then. I do wish I had win 8 though, because
my laptop has only 2 gigs of memory, so sometimes things run slower, like the
copying of files and such. But that shortcut will be extremelz addesome!
sent from the braille plus
valiant8086 valiant8...@gmail.com
Well its why I have both systems.
right now for example my xp box is restoring my hdd which had a
partition falier and that will take a while maybe another day.
I am gaming and writing on this win7 system.
I didn't have to upgrade but having an old system for gaming and non
secure stuff and a
Well personally I do wish that this time of unsertainty will pass quickly.
I don't play the old gma games as much as I used to, and to be honest
who knows what will happen in the future.
Howevver I do hope that there is more progress at least publically reported.
Sometimes it feels like that
I agree with you mike.
win7 I can mostly live with since I have to handle that daily but 8
scares the living daylights out of me.
So much visual stuff and stuff I am not used to.
I have heard all the info and I am still scared to death.
I have used classic systems for ages, even7 is still
Hi Shaun:
Makes sense. As it happens my ex and I also use to do something
similar. We had an old desktop computer in the living room with XP on
it that we used for games and other things. It wasn't on the Internet
or anything like that, but was basically just there to play games on,
run older
Hi Shaun:
I think you are seriously over reacting. I don't know why you would be
scared of Windows 8. There is absolutely nothing to be scared of. As
Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, all we have to fear is fear itself.
That seems quite apt for this situation.
Sure, I won't deny Windows 8 has a
hi. one note, maybe you haven't used this command, perhaps you don't
even know it is there. lol. but in stead of going to your desktop then
tabbing over to your task bar, simply press windows T. this will jump
you to the first item on your task bar, from where ever you are.
anywhere in the system
Hi Shaun:
Well, not likely. Most game developers aren't in the habit of
discussing their future plans or publicly address compatibility issues
unless they have something in the works. Besides your idea of a weekly
or monthly update from each and every developer is a bit unrealistic.
For one
Hi Dallas:
Yes, you are absolutely right. I forgot to mention those commands in
my prior e-mail, but all the same things in Windows 8 are very easy
once you are made aware of commands like Windows+t to jump to the
Taskbar or the Windows+1 through Windows+0 commands to launch apps
from the
LOL, perfectly said! Dead right. Windows 8.1 is my windows, and
nothing else but going forward will do for me now.
The accessibility in windows 8 / 8.1 blows the pants off 7, let alone!
XP! Hahah.
And anybody that says narrator in windows 8 isn't getting good,
obviously hasn't actually bothered to
--
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:56 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Shaun and all,
Well, here is what I think will happen. I don't think
Hi Amanda,
That is correct. The thing about security is that everyone is a sort
of link in the chain. If you are able to keep your PC clean of
viruses, Trojans, worms, and various other malware you won't be able
to pass it onto anyone else and infect their PC. However, if you were
running out of
@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Amanda,
That is correct. The thing about security is that everyone is a sort
of link in the chain. If you are able to keep your PC clean of
viruses, Trojans, worms, and various other malware you won't be able
to pass
you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Devin
it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
finished, you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales
I see your point.
I do wander in that case what the future of audiogames will be.
Its obvious that in the short term a lot of what we know will probably die off.
Its almost we need a shot up the rear but question is what.
I once thought getting main stream companies on our side or making
games
Hi Shaun and all,
Well, here is what I think will happen. I don't think it is anything
to be afraid of because as I have said many times a lot of the stuff
we have now can be run on Windows 8.1 with a little bit of tinkering.
Yes, while there will be certain issues such as 3d audio support is
Hi Shaun,
Well, the money is precisely the reason we can't get big mainstream
companies on our side. If a game developer says he made $10,000 last
year on game x the mainstream companies will laugh in our faces. Sony,
Capcom, Nintendo, Activision, EA Games, and others are use to making
millions
@Draconis:
I haven't bought Change Reaction 2 or Silver Dollar either for Mac or
Windows, so I can't compare the two versions...
However I tried your games before you introduced your new engine.
I am talking now not of technical features or your internal design of the
engine or the games.
I
I know that XP is near its end.
I also know that there are newer operating systems (just the ones from
Microsoft).
I know that security is a factor which might bring people to upgrade at some
point.
True, if XP is now longer supported, hackers and other people can possibly
find holes in the
Hi Michael,
Answers throughout your message:
*snip*
@Draconis:
I haven't bought Change Reaction 2 or Silver Dollar either for Mac or
Windows, so I can't compare the two versions...
However I tried your games before you introduced your new engine.
I am talking now not of technical
Hi all,
I have Silverdollar for mac, and enjoy it when there is nothing else to do. Its
a fun way to pass the time for 15 minutes or so, and I believe that was its
purpose. I do love this new engine, and am thinking about getting change
reaction.
On Dec 26, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Michael Gauler
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Charles:
You can certainly play several text adventure games on Windows 8.1. If
you have Winfrotz you can play pretty much every game written in
Inform and ZCode that was ever written
Hi Tom, Cara, and all,
One funny thing about this conversation, and I don’t mean “ha ha” funny, is
that we see on this list on an ongoing basis, people struggling to find ways to
play older games on newer machines with newer operating systems. We hear their
frustrations, their hacks, and so
Hi Josh,
Well said. It is precisely for that reason that once I complete MOTA
and Raceway all future games will specifically be designed using newer
APIs with Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 in mind. I fully realize
that designing for XP may satisfy a lot of customers for the short
term, but they
I totally agree with the devs on this one. I have a Windows 7 laptop,
a mac desktop, an iPod touch, and soon, tomorrow in fact, a new
android phone, running, unfortunately, android 4.0, the latest being
4.4. Anyway, I seriously don't see much need in sticking with XP
anymore. Windows 7 is good,
hi. wow, what a mix of systems you have! haha. good way to go though,
as that way you have the best of all worlds.
and yes, i agree, leave poor, depressed, out of sorts, slow, and
otherwise painful arthritic sam behind. rofl.
dallas
On 25/12/2013, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
I
Hi Devin,
Interesting enough you have hit upon one issue that should convince
people to upgrade if nothing else. The Sapi voices for XP such as
Microsoft Sam, Mary, and Mike were absolutely terrible. The newer Sapi
5.5 voices that come with Windows 8 are much better , and are
certainly decent for
Hi Shaun:
Well, I can't share any actual figures, but what I can say is I have
been told by other accessible game developers that none of them
actually made much money off the games they wrote. I have heard
roomers that some games only averaged around $10,000 USD, and that was
for a game that was
Hi Shaun,
Although I basically agree with your sentiments next time you should
try and word your opinions using less profanity and not be so harsh.
The way you worded your message below could be very offensive to some
developers and I'd prefer we not do that while expressing a point of
view.
I agree with you draconis.
You devs all of you should be looking at upgrading if you are not allready.
I like old xp but I'd prefur to play games in 7 and 8.
More games for xp?
Well maybe that was when there was vista but seriously, I don't think
people should keep making games in vb6 anymore or
I agree.
The only reason I hang on to this old xp machine is to really play
games that will only run on xp propperly.
I do actually have a brand new i5 with win7 and an 8 upgrade I got
this year and I have not really gamed on it much.
At 05:49 AM 12/25/2013, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
Well said.
I agree.
The reason I still use xp apart from liking the find features and the
sound recorder plus the simple interface are all the games that still
use direct sound and vb6 code.
Oh would I like to say Look I will go full time to 7.
I have 7 I even have 8 if I want it.
But there are just some
, 2013 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Devin,
Interesting enough you have hit upon one issue that should convince
people to upgrade if nothing else. The Sapi voices for XP such as
Microsoft Sam, Mary, and Mike were absolutely terrible. The newer Sapi
5.5
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Shaun,
Although I basically agree with your sentiments next time you should
try and word your opinions using less profanity and not be so
: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
I agree with you draconis.
You devs all of you should be looking at upgrading if you are not
allready.
I like old xp but I'd prefur to play games in 7 and 8.
More games for xp?
Well maybe that was when there was vista but seriously, I
Hi Charles:
First, I think we should make a distinction between commercial and
non-commercial game developers here.
Jim Kitchen is a non-commercial game developer and does not take any
money for the games he creates. Therefore he is not obligated to any
customers to continue supporting new
Hi Charles:
You can certainly play several text adventure games on Windows 8.1. If
you have Winfrotz you can play pretty much every game written in
Inform and ZCode that was ever written with your screen reader or Sapi
speech output. If you have Agility for Windows you can play old text
Yes. I would even compare them with the mac's speech. I converted a novel using
Zira with Balabolka and enjoyed it thourghly. I do have a mac, and would love
to have windows 8 in a vm, and would need vm player and all. I have also a
windows 7 laptop, but isn't at all good for gaming, being a
@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
hi. personally, I think it's time that the blind gaming community did
what most of the real gaming industry did a while back. bring out a
game, and say here you go, here
Hi Cara,
My thoughts exactly. I have heard lots of reasons why or why not to
upgrade to Windows 7, Windows 8, switch to Mac OS,etc, but I haven't
heard anything constructive from those people how this situation could
be resolved. Particularly by the audio game developers who are caught
in the
Hi Charles,
If we were talking about financially speaking I would be in a much
worse situation, but I think we know by now developing audio games is
not and never has been about the money for me. I primarily write games
for myself first and for the community second. So from that
perspective
Hi Dark,
Well, I don't know what else I can say that hasn't already been said a
hundred times over. Clearly we have reached a point in the discussion
where nothing I say or do will sway you from your opinion, and nothing
you say will remotely change my mind either. So we will simply have to
agree
Hi Dallas,
I'm right with you there. A lot of companies, particular the
mainstream, release a product, say here is the specs to run it, take
it or leave it. Not a lot of accessible software developers are
willing to be that harsh, but maybe they should. If more accessible
developers took a more
I agree dark.
a simular discussion is going on the nvda list.
I have 7 but a lot of the games that are for the blind are old.
I have used xp for ages, and it still works.
7 is a good system as far as its better than vista.
8 though I don't know its ok but there are som many visual things now.
thomasward1...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:00 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Josh,
I definitely agree with your points. As far as USA Games is concerned
we aren't going out of our way to drop
I agree allex.
There are people I know in enterprise companies
that simply don't update or secure their systems
as far as ms goes or with minimal security
because of the fact that any update has potentual
to stuff something and since time is cash they
only update the most critical and even
Well personally once ms gets it right I just hope they stay right.
they got it right with xp.
some what with 7 after that its if you like it then fine but if not well.
At 08:50 AM 12/20/2013, you wrote:
Well Dallas, your supposition doesnt hold up to
much scrutiny, since Apple has, and does,
Well I hope this does not come off to strong, but the reason I am
still hanging on to xp is because some games, missippi, and the gma
games gtc, lonewolf and sod really don't work that well witn 7.
There is also the vb6 issue that will probably eventually come up.
Now if the games we have that
: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Josh,
I definitely agree with your points. As far as USA Games is concerned
we aren't going out of our way to drop support for XP, but neither are
we going to go out of our way to support
finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
hi. personally, I think it's
Hi Shaun,
Honestly, I think you are seriously over reacting to upgrading. I know
some people hate change, but going to special devices made
specifically for the blind most certainly is not the answer to the
problem. They are often over priced, way too expensive, and
proprietary to the point they
Hi Charles,
Oh, I won't deny the fact that most blind people are unemployed and
are dependant on disability income like SSI and SSDI, nor can I ignore
the fact that the cost of living in the U.S. is pretty high right now.
That said, though, there are certainly ways to perform upgrades and
get new
Hi Shaun,
Well, not true. While I suspect most people have at least .NET 4.0
installed that has absolutely nothing to do with touchscreen devices.
Microsoft .NET is a programming API designed for rapid development and
deployment of applications cross Windows platforms and has nothing to
do with
:35 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Charles,
Oh, I won't deny the fact that most blind people are unemployed and
are dependant on disability income like SSI and SSDI, nor can I ignore
the fact that the cost of living in the U.S
Hi Shaun,
Regarding virtual machines for playing older games etc unfortunately
performance will always be something of an issue. You need a lot of
ram and CPU power to run a guest operating system in memory and get
something like native performance. As a rule of thumb the more ram and
CPU power
Hi Shaun,
You want to know what I find amusing about that comment?
I think a lot of people in this community have completely forgotten
the uproar caused by Microsoft releasing Windows XP. I remember people
on the Jaws list and elsewhere swearing up and down they would never
upgrade to XP, that
hi. yeah, i agree. lol. it's amusigin to watch how most of the blind
commnunity works. even though i myself am blind, i sort of feel like
i'm on the outside, looking in. ahaha.
also, about the money / saving up thing.
not being funny here guys, but lets just put it this way. i am on
australias
and if I really need a new computer my bank said although I am on social
security I can go take out a personal loan for $5000, pay them back
$4600 of the $5000 buy a new computer then just slowly pay off the rest
of the loan.
using windows7 laptop
On 12/20/2013 3:30 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:
its easy an inexpensive to upgrade. computersfortheblind.net and
newegg.com and blaire technology group all sell good refurbished
machines with windows7. and eventually will have them with windows8. if
you really want windows8 just go get one from walmart or amazon maybe.
using windows7
or get a bank account, take out a loan pay back what you don't need
right away buy the new machine then pay back the rest of the loan.
using windows7 laptop
On 12/20/2013 6:35 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Charles,
Oh, I won't deny the fact that most blind people are unemployed and
are dependant
, December 19, 2013 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
hi. personally, I think it's time that the blind gaming community did
what most of the real gaming industry did a while back. bring out a
game, and say here you go, here are the requirements. its up
Yeah my eventual plan is to get a more powerfull desk tower to do a
lot of this stuff.
I don't care about full performance, but I do want as fast as at
least my core2 is, I won't want to use all my cpus for a vm anyway.
My other plan was to have an old xp box hanging round I have one for now.
grin
I remember tom.
Ofcause we didn't have nvda then.
Everyone was going over from not caring to what they ran their
readers and how many ran if you ran 2 by mistake on win98 and lower so what.
On the early xp days you got things wrong installed or uninstalled
things the wrong way out of order
yep. go the windows defender. it's awesome! and very good too. and i
have rarely found any scanner so accessible or simple to use. ok, it
took microsoft about 10 or more years to do it, but it's there now.
and it works well.
and, as a side note, having a faster machine means that you get your
use mac or windows.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Dark,
Actually
Hi Dallas,
Oh, that is for sure. You don't really know how much better a little
speed boost will make in every day tasks such as saving files,
starting programs, or opening files until you experience it
first-hand.
For example, I do a lot of work with audio such as editing sounds and
music and
Hi Dark,
Sigh...You are probably right about the fact that we have said all
that can be said on this subject. I feel like I'm in a boxing match
where neither person has made any impact on the other and all we are
doing is going round after round not getting anywhere.
However, before I close this
well, I think people will start upgrading to windows7 and windows8 when
xp support dies next year and their xp machines start getting infected
with viruses and having major security flaws. and upgrading isn't really
that hard or expensive. you can get a new dell latitude e4310 with
windows7
Hi Tom,
Your discussion of VB6 was one of the best explanations of the situation I’ve
seen on this list.
We’re in the process of rewriting old titles to use the new Engine. The old ESP
Softworks titles were all VB6. This is going to be an arduous transition, but
we’ll get there, and the games
hi. personally, I think it's time that the blind gaming community did
what most of the real gaming industry did a while back. bring out a
game, and say here you go, here are the requirements. its up to you
how you deal with that. if a game dev brings out a game that takes
advantage of newer
Hi Tom.
to be honest I don't agree with you about microsoft simply because of the
money involved. on xp I can run programs for dos written in qbasic, C and
goodness knows what from 20 years ago. That is a huge corpus of material. Up
to xp microsoft had a care for all that legacy support
Dark,
I'd just like to point out some misinformation in this post, and some
misunderstandings about Mac and iOS.
First, you said that iOS apps never have compatibility issues with iOS
upgrades. This is definitely not the case. Several apps, including
Solara (to bring this somewhat back to games)
Hi Alex,
Just adding a bit to your comments.
Apple’s aggressive strategy regarding software upgrades tends to keep their
platforms more robust and stable, but comes at the cost of some backward
compatibility.
That said, though, Apple has also made it extremely easy for developers to keep
Hi,
Yes, I would definitely agree that Apple has always handled these
transitions very well, much better than Microsoft.
I think one reason for this is MS's large number of Enterprise
customers. Enterprises tend to migrate to newer technologies extremely
slowly, and I think this is holding MS
hi, it's not only that, but simply because apple's user base is
actually nothing, when it comes to a number situation. they have all
of about 50 to 70 million users on mac, not all of which are up to
date, but more then not. then Microsoft, has over 1.5 billion! users
in windows. they have more
Well Dallas, your supposition doesn’t hold up to much scrutiny, since Apple
has, and does, major transitions on iOS all the time, and there are somewhere
in the neighborhood of 500 to 700 million iOS devices in use.
A much more key difference is that, with Apple products, the hardware and
Just an interesting tidbit on this discussion.
Marco Arment, original developer of Tumblr, InstaaPaper, and the Magazine, has
been doing some research today regarding the release of the Mac Pros and how
they compare to PC’s of similar spec.
His comparisons are with the $3999 Mac Pro.
For a
Hi Josh,
I definitely agree with your points. As far as USA Games is concerned
we aren't going out of our way to drop support for XP, but neither are
we going to go out of our way to support it. At some point when we
begin adopting newer Windows components and if it isn't XP compatible
too bad.
...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Josh,
I definitely agree with your points. As far as USA Games is concerned
we aren't going out of our way to drop support for XP
Hi.
I don’t mean to give anyone a hard time or anything, I see what you’re saying.
But, what about the security wholes in xp that won’t be patched anymore? How
will you be sure to remain secure?
regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
check out
it.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi.
I don’t mean to give anyone
Hi Bryan,
Not only that, but there are workarounds for running older software in
say Windows 8.1. As I have said many times a person can get VMWare
Player, install XP in that, and run it side by side with Windows 8.1
allowing you to play any games or use any apps that does not work with
Windows
Hi Dark,
Just a correction here. Windows 7 was released in 2010 not 2007.
Windows Vista came out in January 2007. I wanted to point that out as
you seem to be confusing the two here.
However, I do take your point. The reason XP is still widely supported
by websites, some third-party programs,
Hi Dark,
Just a correction here. Windows 7 was released in 2010 not 2007.
Windows Vista came out in January 2007. I wanted to point that out as
you seem to be confusing the two here.
However, I do take your point. The reason XP is still widely supported
by websites, some third-party programs,
hi Thomas, a correction to the correction. lol. windows 7 came out in 2009.
July 22, 2009; 4 years ago
General
availability
October 22, 2009; 4 years ago
dallas
On 18/12/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dark,
Just a correction here. Windows 7 was released in 2010 not 2007.
Hi Dallas,
Oops! I stand corrected. Still, my basic point still stands. It was not 2007. :D
Cheers!
On 12/18/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote:
hi Thomas, a correction to the correction. lol. windows 7 came out in 2009.
July 22, 2009; 4 years ago
General
availability
yep, I know. lol. it's amusing in a sense, it doesn't feel that long
ago that 7 came out. but when you look at it, its now 4 years old.
even windows 8 is now a year old. time gos fast, doesn't it.
dallas
On 19/12/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dallas,
Oops! I stand
Hi Tom.
I was probably thinking of vista, since I do know when getting my desktop
repared in 2008 I very much didn't want a machine with newer windows, which
was one other advantage of going to a local custom manufacturer since all
the main shops like Pc world were the slaves of microsoft
Hi Tom, Dark, and others,
I am not sure that anyone is misrepresenting your position, Dark. You want
tangible benefits to a very small set of criteria, but life is made up of a
combination of both tangibles and intangibles. For instance, perhaps you don’t
spell check because you are using XP.
Hi Dallas,
Yeah, time is definitely passing by. I guess the reason I thought
Windows 7 came out in 2010 because that must have been when I upgraded
my machines from Vista to Windows 7. Still, it is hard to believe that
much time has gone by, and Windows 8 is a year old already. It does
not seem
Hi Josh,
Just a note about the spell checker. It is true that in older versions
of Outlook Express it did not come with a spell checker. However,
Windows Live Mail, the e-mail client that replaces Outlook Express on
Windows 7 and Windows 8, does come with a spell checker. So that does
help your
Hi Dark,
I certainly don't want to misrepresent your position, and I do think I
understand your position very well. I guess for me I'm just very
concerned that you are making a bad decision based on very flawed
criteria, or at the very least the perceived benefits you are looking
for are too me a
Well i wouldn't say my criteria are that narrow, I just want something that
actually is of some use to me in what I do. To me your like someone who says
buy this new car. it doesn't go any faster, use less fuel or handle better,
but it's got different engine parts and so will wear out in 40
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Well tome there is also the fact that it is possible to get used to just
about anything, indeed there are situations where the human ability to do
Well Tom I do agree our criteria are different.
I think part of this is that you, as a person with a rpactical interest in
computers attach some sort of intrinsic value to the efficiency of hardware
and software.
You care for example that modern machines have more ram and use more
memory
, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Well, look at iOs 7. I really didn't want to upgrade. I was used to iOS6,
but apps just stopped working with 6, like Fleksy, so I had no choice.
Also, i wanted the opportunity to try DoItWrite, but that alone
...@thepionear.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Well, look at iOs 7. I really didn't want to upgrade. I was used to iOS6,
but apps just stopped working with 6, like Fleksy
Arifi still works? I like that game a lot. I just haven't played it for
awhile.
Teresa
Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Ken Downey wrote:
Well, look at iOs 7. I really didn't want to upgrade. I was used to iOS6, but
apps just stopped working with
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