[Audyssey] mota
Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota
That is the problem with religion, people think they know what is good for everybody else, my opinion on this is if a person does not like something that I am doing then they need to get a life of there own and let me do what I have the right to do as an adult. Steve - Original Message - From: nicol 0722001...@vodamail.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] mota Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries Of The Ancients beta 4
Hi Sky, Yes, it should be. Level 1 in the beta will be level 1 in the full release. Smile. Sky Taylor wrote: Hello List, Sky here. It's been a really really long time since I have poasted to this list. I just downloaded Beta4 of Mysteries Of The Ancients, and I am having a really lovely time with the game! It rocks. I even have $35 so on the day it is release, i'll purchase the full version after trying the released version. Will the grid for level 1 be the same for the released version? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] ZORK
Hi Tony, Did you type save? That works for most interactive fiction games. HTH Anthony Vitale wrote: I played Zork's cavern of doom, one problem when I wanted to quit I couldn't figure out how to save so I could resume later. So How do I do that next time? Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota
Hello, Nicol. That is not very great. It's only a game, so you shouldn't have to be punished just for playing games like this. My parents let me play whatever games I want as long as it doesn't have swearing in it. - Original Message - From: nicol 0722001...@vodamail.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] mota Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota
I agree. I happen to be against organized religion for that very reason. Don't mistake me. I do try to respect the religious beliefs of others but I have no respect at all for anyone who tries to force their beliefs on other people, especially over something as harmless as playing a computer game. My first ever girlfriend was the same way. She never said it in so many words but you could tell. Any game with an even remotely fantastical or mythological element to it would red flag her, even if the main character of the game was doing like Angela Carter and just searching for treasure. And some people just can't be persuaded. They're too set in their ways. I want you...to go upstairs...and kill that boy! - Original Message - From: Steve swalke...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota That is the problem with religion, people think they know what is good for everybody else, my opinion on this is if a person does not like something that I am doing then they need to get a life of there own and let me do what I have the right to do as an adult. Steve - Original Message - From: nicol 0722001...@vodamail.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] mota Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] ZORK
Hi Thomas, Well You know off line text games I knew to do that but being on line I Just didn't think of it. If you do that where and how do you retrieve your save to resume your game? Thanks Tony At 09:47 AM 4/18/2009, you wrote: Hi Tony, Did you type save? That works for most interactive fiction games. HTH Anthony Vitale wrote: I played Zork's cavern of doom, one problem when I wanted to quit I couldn't figure out how to save so I could resume later. So How do I do that next time? Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota
The issue here seems to be that the game makes mention of Greek mythology and therefore idiology. Apparently his mom feels that by playing that game he'll be led down the wrong path. It's because of things like that that I happen to be against organized religion on general principle, but that's an entirely different discussion. But as I said in my other post on this subject you just can't get through to some people because they see themselves and their views as being right and anyone who even slightly deviates from their viewpoint is wrong. It's truly sad that we can be so unbending even towards members of our own family, especially over something so commonplace as a computer game, but it's unfortunately true. I want you...to go upstairs...and kill that boy! - Original Message - From: Sky Taylor s...@shaw.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota Hello, Nicol. That is not very great. It's only a game, so you shouldn't have to be punished just for playing games like this. My parents let me play whatever games I want as long as it doesn't have swearing in it. - Original Message - From: nicol 0722001...@vodamail.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] mota Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota
run, Tom, run! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota
You would have to get info on how Jehovah's Witnesses feel about stuff like this from Jehovah's Witnesses. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: nicol 0722001...@vodamail.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] mota Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] games and religion
It's not organized religion that I'm against. It's the behavior and opinions of some of the people. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson b-peter...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota I agree. I happen to be against organized religion for that very reason. Don't mistake me. I do try to respect the religious beliefs of others but I have no respect at all for anyone who tries to force their beliefs on other people, especially over something as harmless as playing a computer game. My first ever girlfriend was the same way. She never said it in so many words but you could tell. Any game with an even remotely fantastical or mythological element to it would red flag her, even if the main character of the game was doing like Angela Carter and just searching for treasure. And some people just can't be persuaded. They're too set in their ways. I want you...to go upstairs...and kill that boy! - Original Message - From: Steve swalke...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota That is the problem with religion, people think they know what is good for everybody else, my opinion on this is if a person does not like something that I am doing then they need to get a life of there own and let me do what I have the right to do as an adult. Steve - Original Message - From: nicol 0722001...@vodamail.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] mota Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
well nicole chose to be part of jehovas witness so it is his problem we can choose waht we believe in life don't blame other people blames oneself for decisions you make. People never stand up for their own opinion, religion particularly jehovas witness is ramming it down peoples throats and it paranoia On 18 Apr 2009, at 19:28, Charles Rivard wrote: It's not organized religion that I'm against. It's the behavior and opinions of some of the people. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson b-peter...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota I agree. I happen to be against organized religion for that very reason. Don't mistake me. I do try to respect the religious beliefs of others but I have no respect at all for anyone who tries to force their beliefs on other people, especially over something as harmless as playing a computer game. My first ever girlfriend was the same way. She never said it in so many words but you could tell. Any game with an even remotely fantastical or mythological element to it would red flag her, even if the main character of the game was doing like Angela Carter and just searching for treasure. And some people just can't be persuaded. They're too set in their ways. I want you...to go upstairs...and kill that boy! - Original Message - From: Steve swalke...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota That is the problem with religion, people think they know what is good for everybody else, my opinion on this is if a person does not like something that I am doing then they need to get a life of there own and let me do what I have the right to do as an adult. Steve - Original Message - From: nicol 0722001...@vodamail.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] mota Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions
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I can say, as a Conservative evangelical, that I am absolutely sickened by what Nicol just related. There's idolatry, then there's just fun and stories (which, really, is what a lot of video games are--stories.) I just do not understand the attitude of some religious folks that if you read a supernatural book, watch violent television or the like then you're automatically a horrible person. Well guess what? I read and love Harry Potter. I also make it a hobby to study mythology and world religions. Oh well then, I guess I'm headed straight for Hell. Kelby --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hmm I am my self a christian in a lose sence. I do aggree that violent games do exist. Good you bring up the subject, this issue will not go away, in fact last week I watched a program on this people taking games to literally. And actually thinking of these as real. I have no real answer. Yeah some of the heavy metal music etc can be violant, so can games. I actually appose violent games where you kill for no reason but to do it. Thats why I like stratogy games, where you must think, concerntrate and use your head. Where the enemy is a bit smarter than you, etc. While we can't please everyone usually if someone doesn't like things, well. There is headphones in fact my dad does not care about me playing things through speakers while he is working because its to noisy. I don't think I'd really hit a violent game like hitman, etc. Something with a story where one has to solve puzzels, achieve objectives, etc. I suppose the rpg style is probably a semi violent type although there are stratogies for this to. It never crossed my mind that something like this could really be offensive although yeah I could see other stuff like tank commander, lonewolf, shades of doom being offensive. Also tazan junior could also be seen as such hunter. And all the alien games we have alien outback, troopinam 1 and 2. Parts of pipe 2. and entombed. hmm decent into madness could bee seen as such and so could the moosic game. So what is left? pipe1 although that could be seen as offensive with the rats dogs, and other things some of which you need to kill. Ok so cut that out including all the trek games to. we have all the jim kitchen games, and probably most of the experimental games although not all of these would be able to be played, cod, flyswat blind goose sightless and fear of the dark and leap. All the text games should be able to be played though even the violent ones as you do have to think to use those although some of them could also be seen as offensive. really if you cut out all the stuff you have vary little. I am not sure about railracer but you sertainly could not play the battle racer or come to think of it 3d valosity or puppy 1. Otherwise you still have a few things. I am not restricted to what I do but I know some of my family that are, not my imediate family but some cousins. If you are to much that way as with being to much the other the devel gets you. Because it just does not work, has all sorts of issues later on. Still not sure I try to read as little about religion as I can. I believe in god but not the baggage that comes with it. At 02:15 a.m. 19/04/2009, you wrote: Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the
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I am of the same don't even go to church I have an uncle that is like that. I just don't let that get to me if I did i would be in hell. They do stop after a bit and after they think you are in with them then well as long as you watch yourself they don't seem to notice or mind what happens. I do take precortions. Say I am reviewing a text or something that someone may not like I know say someone is going to have a conversation with me I turn it off as a matter of course. Its also good manners in any case. At 03:16 a.m. 19/04/2009, you wrote: I agree. I happen to be against organized religion for that very reason. Don't mistake me. I do try to respect the religious beliefs of others but I have no respect at all for anyone who tries to force their beliefs on other people, especially over something as harmless as playing a computer game. My first ever girlfriend was the same way. She never said it in so many words but you could tell. Any game with an even remotely fantastical or mythological element to it would red flag her, even if the main character of the game was doing like Angela Carter and just searching for treasure. And some people just can't be persuaded. They're too set in their ways. I want you...to go upstairs...and kill that boy! - Original Message - From: Steve swalke...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota That is the problem with religion, people think they know what is good for everybody else, my opinion on this is if a person does not like something that I am doing then they need to get a life of there own and let me do what I have the right to do as an adult. Steve - Original Message - From: nicol 0722001...@vodamail.co.za To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] mota Hi tom and all I'm desperately needing advice. my mom got a fit when she saw me reading an e-mail with regards to mota. I assured her that I will not play games on her computer which is against her principles. you see I belong to the religion: jehovah's witnesses. they believe that playing certain games like games containing violence or the supernatural is sin.they refuse to accept it that a game is only a game. when my mom saw the word tomb hunter she immediately asked me: what is a tomb son? its where dead people is. so she assumes mota has to do with the dead and therefore its a sin to play mota. I told her what tom had told us, that mota is based on greek myths and legends. so my mom replied: exactly, so this game you want to play has something to do with idolatry. how on earth can I explain to my mom that mota is not a harmfull game. she doesn't want me to play the game on my pc as well. of course its my pc and I'm adult and she can't decide for me but she will continuously nag or put the elders on me until I listen to them and I like mota, I'm not going to listen to them. I'm going to purchase mota. in the past elders confiscated music on my computer violently by pulling me away from my computer. my mom hates sod just as much, she feels sod is also a sin to play. but tom I would like your 2 cents view on this matter. can you or others tell me why the jehovah witnesses view games like mota as a sin and is mota really sin to play? thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
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quote: well nicole chose to be part of jehovas witness so it is his problem end quote. Actually, this kind of gets to the heart of the problem I think. Few people choose their religion. Most are brought up in it with no option to opt out. People that are indoctrenated into a lifestyle from birth have a hard time judging that lifestyle objectively, and most just go along with it blissfully unaware the path they are on might be leading absolutely nowhere. To Nicole's credit, he seems to have grasped the silliness of his religions' views on secular entertainment. My opinion is that if you haven't brought your children up with enough intestinal fortitude so they aren't philisophically swayed by a video game, then you have done a poor job bringing your children up. If I were Nicole, I would tell my mother that she has nothing to worry about, that she has raised a well balanced adult that knows the difference between real evil in the world and a video game that uses fantasy as a backdrop for a little interactive theater. If that doesn't appease her, then it is a lost cause and she will just have to stew in her own cauldron of insecurity while Nicole participates in something that millions of others have enjoyed before him without turning into demon worshipping heathens. Anyhow, that is my two coppers worth for any light it might shed. Hail satan. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Nicol, Well,talking about someone's religious views, opinions, and beliefs is a sensitive issue for this list. We have specific guidelines in place to prevent listers, including the moderators, from flaming anyone based on his or her race, religion, or gender. So I'll try and tread carefully, and I hope I don't step on anyones toes when i do. As you are probably aware there are several different opinions out there what defines living a good, moral, religious life. I've met my share of Christians who lead very laid back liberal lives, and I have met my share of Christians who are extremely rule bound. Based on what I've read in your e-mail your mom is the very rule bound type who sees sin, evil, in everything and anything that isn't specifically religious. Especially, games she doesn't like. Believe me when I say I know all too well what that is like. My wife's family, my in-laws, are a lot like your mother. I love Star Wars, and my in-laws claim it is Satanic. I like the Harry Potter books, and my in-laws say that is Satanic. I like a mixture of Country and Rock music, and my in-laws say all music that isn't religious in nature is sinful. Since they view most television shows as sinful the only stations you can watch at there house is Home and Garden, DIY, Trinity Broadcasting, and anything else with religious or home repair type programming. You wouldn't catch them dead with programs such as Law and Order, CSI, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, whatever. In my personal opinion I think people like my wife's parents are obsessed and fanatical about religion. However, it is their choice to live that way and I must respect them for it even if I completely disagree with them about their point of view. So here is the point of this message. In regards how to handle your mom regarding your choice in games weather it is Shades of Doom, Mysteries of the Ancients, or something else you are not going to be able to convince her to see things exactly your way. Having dealt with my in-laws, which have a similar view about video games, she's already made her mind up that these games are bad, sinful, evil, whatever name you want to call it. The best thing you can do in a case like that is try to agree to disagree. Try to look for areas you can compromise on without totally surrendering to her views. For example, your mother asked you not to play these kinds of games on her computer, read e-mail about them on her computer, whatever. Since that is her computer, she finds the material offensive, respect her by not putting that kind of material on her computer. However, if you download and play games on your own personal computer then your mom needs to respect your right to do so provided it is on your own computer not hers. You are a fully grown adult, and your mom not only needs to respect that, but needs to learn she is no longer responsible for your choices and decisions. I think most Christians would agree with me that your mom and the elders of your church have absolutely no right to invade your privacy, remove stuff from your computer they disagree with, all in the name of religion. That's just flat out wrong, and falls under the category of religious abuse. Anyway, as for the deeper question, is Mysteries of the Ancients sinful to play, I'm pretty sure it is not sinful. Your mother's opinion that Mysteries of the Ancients has to do with idolatry is simply ridiculous, and is pretty far fetched. This is a perfect example of someone who shoots off their mouth and haven't a clue what they are talking about. All the while believing themselves to be holier than thou. First of all, idolatry by definition is the worship of idols. If I made you a statue and told you to pray to it that would be idolatry. If I made you a cross, a picture of Jesus, or anything else religious and told you to pray to it, worship it, instead of God that would be idolatry. If I told you I was a god, told you to worship me instead of God, that would be idolatry. Since you don't worship my game, at least I hope you don't, that isn't idolatry. It is simply entertainment. Nothing more and nothing less. As for your mother getting upset over the word tomb in the title that is irrational as it gets. Sure tombs are burial places for the dead, but many are very interesting to study and explore. The Egyptian pyramids once were used as tombs, and thousands of people have explored them over the years. They have stood on the Giza plateau for the passed 4,000 years and still are marvels to study and explore. There are plenty of other tombs equally as interesting, and there is nothing sinful, evil, or wrong with studying ancient tombs. As someone who has a deep love of history, archeology, and ancient myth I personally find it interesting to step back in time and find out how people lived, what they believed, what they ate, and how they died. Unfortunately, there will always be people who are so
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Hi, I agree with you for the most part. I am also a christian, and I have played Dungeons and Dragons for a large part of my christian life especially after I became blind. Games in and of themselves are not the problem, it is the persons focus on those games that cause the trouble. This isnt a preaching sermon, just a little information. The common christian is told that JESUS is to be their main focus for every aspect of their life, so when a christian gets involved in other things, there is this constant reminder that material possessions and such have their place, but it should never be before JESUS. In my case, I had to stop playing dungeons and dragons because I would blow large amounts of cash on it, and play it constantly to the point it would consume my life. To a non christian that might seem fine to have a favorite hobby, but for the christian who focuses on that favorite hobby it becomes a kind of battle about what needs to take first place. Some cults and other religions require strict rules on what to eat, touch, watch, celebrate and enjoy. The belief is that by sacrificing things in their lives will make them holier in some fashion. All that does is take away the object, but it doesn't take away the desire in the heart of the person who wants those things. I hope that examined the brain of the common christian, grin. al --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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And then the people that write those tgames, what would happen to them? I play those games, cause they are fun, and do chalange me in most of the ways, I love Entombed, its a really cool game. And I Love the music, but thats not the point. - Original Message - From: kelby carlson kelbycarl...@usfamily.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion I can say, as a Conservative evangelical, that I am absolutely sickened by what Nicol just related. There's idolatry, then there's just fun and stories (which, really, is what a lot of video games are--stories.) I just do not understand the attitude of some religious folks that if you read a supernatural book, watch violent television or the like then you're automatically a horrible person. Well guess what? I read and love Harry Potter. I also make it a hobby to study mythology and world religions. Oh well then, I guess I'm headed straight for Hell. Kelby --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
I'll see you when we're both there, then. It's not what you read or play, but what you do with it that counts. How many people read horoscopes in newspapers that don't believe them? There are plenty. How many people read the Harry Potter series and play games based on it that actually believe in witchcraft? There are plenty. These are not bad, deranged, misled, or corrupt people. Kids who dress up as devils for Halloween are not Devil worshipers. It's known as fun, just as the games are. As long as you are able to separate fact from fiction, as long as you do not allow fiction to become nonfiction in your life, I see no problem. For kids, learning the separation line is where parenting comes in. Going overboard hurts, rather than helps, the situation. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: kelby carlson kelbycarl...@usfamily.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion I can say, as a Conservative evangelical, that I am absolutely sickened by what Nicol just related. There's idolatry, then there's just fun and stories (which, really, is what a lot of video games are--stories.) I just do not understand the attitude of some religious folks that if you read a supernatural book, watch violent television or the like then you're automatically a horrible person. Well guess what? I read and love Harry Potter. I also make it a hobby to study mythology and world religions. Oh well then, I guess I'm headed straight for Hell. Kelby --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota
Hi Nicol, As the objective in Tomb Hunter is to rid the tomb of evil creatures, it is a Christian game with a good moral design. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
Here's an interesting question. If weather forecasters can tell the future, where do they go? Heaven? Hell? Christian stations have weather forecasts on them, so does this make them a bit on the hypocritical side? There is such a thing as Real Rock. Come check it out! http://www.livingontheedgeradio.com E-mail/Windows Live messenger: w...@wilanddenise.com AOL Instant messenger: wilanddenise1 Yahoo Messenger: wiljames4 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/wiljames Personal Web Page: http://www.wilanddenise.com/wil -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard [mailto:woofer...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion I'll see you when we're both there, then. It's not what you read or play, but what you do with it that counts. How many people read horoscopes in newspapers that don't believe them? There are plenty. How many people read the Harry Potter series and play games based on it that actually believe in witchcraft? There are plenty. These are not bad, deranged, misled, or corrupt people. Kids who dress up as devils for Halloween are not Devil worshipers. It's known as fun, just as the games are. As long as you are able to separate fact from fiction, as long as you do not allow fiction to become nonfiction in your life, I see no problem. For kids, learning the separation line is where parenting comes in. Going overboard hurts, rather than helps, the situation. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: kelby carlson kelbycarl...@usfamily.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion I can say, as a Conservative evangelical, that I am absolutely sickened by what Nicol just related. There's idolatry, then there's just fun and stories (which, really, is what a lot of video games are--stories.) I just do not understand the attitude of some religious folks that if you read a supernatural book, watch violent television or the like then you're automatically a horrible person. Well guess what? I read and love Harry Potter. I also make it a hobby to study mythology and world religions. Oh well then, I guess I'm headed straight for Hell. Kelby --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
Good one Wil! But, I hate to really throw a spanner in the works here, but what I find interesting is, and I'll tell you guys why I think it's rubbish, but as a liberal Christian myself I find it weird how some Christian pastors who claim that somehow playing some games actually loosens evil spirits, or makes you vulnerable to becoming possessed somehow. This is especially so where I live, because in Africa many people have very strong beliefs in spirits and evil forces being able to influence the world. Like, I know you have them in America as well, the people who say you listen to the music, when it gets played backwards you get the hidden messages? I'll tell you why I don't believe the whole thing about spirits and games, because if it was so, Phil and Dark and everyone who likes and does fantasy RPG's would have been really mentally disturbed by now! You just need logic and balance. I won't say that elements in games could influence you or could disturb you mentally enough into taking up wrong spiritual practices, but it is for you to not allow that, like I would consider a game that had something like glassy-glassy to be uncomfortable for me to play, since I believe that is wrong in real life that is not something I would ever want to dabble in. If I think a game could be spiritually disturbing for me, I just don't play it. I remember, and this was even a long time after the Berlin Wall came down, in my defense I was only 9 years old, didn't understand politics and was very impressionable, but at school we had this weird old guy who loved teaching us, probably from an old sylabus written during apartheid gave us Life Orientation, and one of his favourite topics was the evil influences computer games had on people. They were iether introduced to the West by Leftist and Soviet Russian forces to lead us away from our Christian values through brainwashing, and some aparrently were openly from the devil, apparrently he claimed that there was a game where you had to go into churches and break things. It's disgusting to make little kids like that so paranoid and even a bit fearful, but I was lucky enough to have a great older brother and friends who told me that normal games are not like that, that games are actually good, and that, at that time you'd hardly ever see games with such disturbing and wrong themes for me in the shops. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
I used to point out to those who said that if you play music backwards, you hear the Satanic messages, that I don't play the music backwards, so I don't hear those messages. So much for their argument against the music. Also, if you don't allow evil to influence you, doesn't this mean that you have, at least for the time being, defeated it? Satan tempted Jesus, and where did it get him? No harm was done. Again, it's not that the evil exists that counts. It's how you, as an individual, allow it to affect you that counts. If someone wants you to help them steal, and you refuse, you're not a thief. If you play Grand Theft Auto and then go out and use what you learned from the game to do harm, you, not the game, are to blame. If you never use those acquired skills in real life to do harm, no problem. You, not the game, made the decision. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: ari aridamoula...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Good one Wil! But, I hate to really throw a spanner in the works here, but what I find interesting is, and I'll tell you guys why I think it's rubbish, but as a liberal Christian myself I find it weird how some Christian pastors who claim that somehow playing some games actually loosens evil spirits, or makes you vulnerable to becoming possessed somehow. This is especially so where I live, because in Africa many people have very strong beliefs in spirits and evil forces being able to influence the world. Like, I know you have them in America as well, the people who say you listen to the music, when it gets played backwards you get the hidden messages? I'll tell you why I don't believe the whole thing about spirits and games, because if it was so, Phil and Dark and everyone who likes and does fantasy RPG's would have been really mentally disturbed by now! You just need logic and balance. I won't say that elements in games could influence you or could disturb you mentally enough into taking up wrong spiritual practices, but it is for you to not allow that, like I would consider a game that had something like glassy-glassy to be uncomfortable for me to play, since I believe that is wrong in real life that is not something I would ever want to dabble in. If I think a game could be spiritually disturbing for me, I just don't play it. I remember, and this was even a long time after the Berlin Wall came down, in my defense I was only 9 years old, didn't understand politics and was very impressionable, but at school we had this weird old guy who loved teaching us, probably from an old sylabus written during apartheid gave us Life Orientation, and one of his favourite topics was the evil influences computer games had on people. They were iether introduced to the West by Leftist and Soviet Russian forces to lead us away from our Christian values through brainwashing, and some aparrently were openly from the devil, apparrently he claimed that there was a game where you had to go into churches and break things. It's disgusting to make little kids like that so paranoid and even a bit fearful, but I was lucky enough to have a great older brother and friends who told me that normal games are not like that, that games are actually good, and that, at that time you'd hardly ever see games with such disturbing and wrong themes for me in the shops. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] CHOICE!!
When religion is used to take away a persons right to choose it is questionable. God gives us the ability to choose some choose to be sinful and others choose to bee good but the choice is theirs. Playing a game as long as it is recognized for what it is really not evil in itself. I believe any one who chooses to take away God's gift to us of free choice , they themselves are on questionable grounds. Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
Not only that but there are honest-to-goodness christian themed video and computer games, so to say that all games are sinful, and I've known people who did, is definitely on the hypocritical side. There was that old NES game Bible Adventures for one thing. I want you...to go upstairs...and kill that boy! - Original Message - From: Wil James w...@wilanddenise.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Here's an interesting question. If weather forecasters can tell the future, where do they go? Heaven? Hell? Christian stations have weather forecasts on them, so does this make them a bit on the hypocritical side? There is such a thing as Real Rock. Come check it out! http://www.livingontheedgeradio.com E-mail/Windows Live messenger: w...@wilanddenise.com AOL Instant messenger: wilanddenise1 Yahoo Messenger: wiljames4 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/wiljames Personal Web Page: http://www.wilanddenise.com/wil -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard [mailto:woofer...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion I'll see you when we're both there, then. It's not what you read or play, but what you do with it that counts. How many people read horoscopes in newspapers that don't believe them? There are plenty. How many people read the Harry Potter series and play games based on it that actually believe in witchcraft? There are plenty. These are not bad, deranged, misled, or corrupt people. Kids who dress up as devils for Halloween are not Devil worshipers. It's known as fun, just as the games are. As long as you are able to separate fact from fiction, as long as you do not allow fiction to become nonfiction in your life, I see no problem. For kids, learning the separation line is where parenting comes in. Going overboard hurts, rather than helps, the situation. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: kelby carlson kelbycarl...@usfamily.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion I can say, as a Conservative evangelical, that I am absolutely sickened by what Nicol just related. There's idolatry, then there's just fun and stories (which, really, is what a lot of video games are--stories.) I just do not understand the attitude of some religious folks that if you read a supernatural book, watch violent television or the like then you're automatically a horrible person. Well guess what? I read and love Harry Potter. I also make it a hobby to study mythology and world religions. Oh well then, I guess I'm headed straight for Hell. Kelby --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
[Audyssey] deal or no deal
is the accessable version of deal or no deal out yet? i think someone was workin on it. thanks Dennis __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4019 (20090418) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
And yet they idolize C.S. Louis when, by their own logic, he should be sin. So I totally agree. And then they make their own video and computer games which involve their share of combat to slay the demons and eil spirits, the very things they seem to vilify. I remember hearing of a computer or video game a few years back, althogh I forget the title, which put you in control of a CHristian champion exploring an underground labyrinth to find and rescue other Christians who were imprisoned down there. And yes, I seem to recall the game had its share of tricks ad traps and monsters. So how they can come down on you for a game wherein your goal is to rid a world or, in MOTA's case, a tomb, of evil, is beyond me. I respect people's beliefs but often they make absolutely no sense to me. I want you...to go upstairs...and kill that boy! - Original Message - From: ari aridamoula...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Good one Wil! But, I hate to really throw a spanner in the works here, but what I find interesting is, and I'll tell you guys why I think it's rubbish, but as a liberal Christian myself I find it weird how some Christian pastors who claim that somehow playing some games actually loosens evil spirits, or makes you vulnerable to becoming possessed somehow. This is especially so where I live, because in Africa many people have very strong beliefs in spirits and evil forces being able to influence the world. Like, I know you have them in America as well, the people who say you listen to the music, when it gets played backwards you get the hidden messages? I'll tell you why I don't believe the whole thing about spirits and games, because if it was so, Phil and Dark and everyone who likes and does fantasy RPG's would have been really mentally disturbed by now! You just need logic and balance. I won't say that elements in games could influence you or could disturb you mentally enough into taking up wrong spiritual practices, but it is for you to not allow that, like I would consider a game that had something like glassy-glassy to be uncomfortable for me to play, since I believe that is wrong in real life that is not something I would ever want to dabble in. If I think a game could be spiritually disturbing for me, I just don't play it. I remember, and this was even a long time after the Berlin Wall came down, in my defense I was only 9 years old, didn't understand politics and was very impressionable, but at school we had this weird old guy who loved teaching us, probably from an old sylabus written during apartheid gave us Life Orientation, and one of his favourite topics was the evil influences computer games had on people. They were iether introduced to the West by Leftist and Soviet Russian forces to lead us away from our Christian values through brainwashing, and some aparrently were openly from the devil, apparrently he claimed that there was a game where you had to go into churches and break things. It's disgusting to make little kids like that so paranoid and even a bit fearful, but I was lucky enough to have a great older brother and friends who told me that normal games are not like that, that games are actually good, and that, at that time you'd hardly ever see games with such disturbing and wrong themes for me in the shops. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
Hi Charles, Exactly my thoughts. It is not so much organized religion or Christianity itself that is the problem. Often it is how people recieve it, what they take from the message, that becomes the real issue. Since we have all different backgrounds, different personalities, we all may get something different from the same message. For some people religion improves there lives, molds them into better people, and for some it is like a mental poison. Especially, when they go to extremes like refusing to eat deviled eggs because it has the word devil in it. We also need to remember people don't just warp or twist religion, but warp and twist other ideas as well into something else than they were intended for. For instance over the passed 50 years or so the American media has told us all the evils of Communism. What we need to realize is what we think of as Communism such as the USSR was an absolute perversion of Carl Marx's ideas and dream for a Communist society. When you go back and read what Carl Marx actually wrote it becomes painfully clear that neither the Chinese or Soviet governments really stuck to true Communist beliefs or idealism. In the end men like Joseph Stallen bent, twisted, and warped Marxist doctrine into whatever form they wanted. Bottom line, ideas are not the problem. It is what we do with them, if we change them, mold them, or bend them into something other than they were intended for. Ideas and religious beliefs are what we make of them. weather it be for good or for evil. Charles Rivard wrote: It's not organized religion that I'm against. It's the behavior and opinions of some of the people. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] deal or no deal
I don't know how many times you have asked this question, but the answer has not changed. No, it is not available, and yes, someone is working on it, I believe, in their spare time. He said that he would let everyone know when it will be ready. Please, don't ask again? Thanks. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: dennis dennisl1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [Audyssey] deal or no deal is the accessable version of deal or no deal out yet? i think someone was workin on it. thanks Dennis __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4019 (20090418) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] deal or no deal
Hello there, I am the one trying to make a talking Deal or No Deal. The project was put on hold as it is now spring and I have a home that I need to spruce up...new windows/flooring and the like. also will be tilling my garden to get my flowers and veggies in. Most of the work I have done so far was audio editing sound bits from the TV show to put into the game. this work was alot harder than I originally prepared for. this unfortunately takes alot of my free time for programming away...sorry. Robert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
Hi Kelby, That makes two of us. I am also appalled by what Nicol is going through, and it is hard for me to understand how someone like his mother can be so extremest in her thinking. My in-laws are a lot like that, from the sounds of it, and there problem is everything is either black or white. There seams to be little room for a grey area in their mind. I can't deal with people who divides the world totally up into black and white, good an bad, right and wrong, etc. Fact is life is never that simple and straight forward. kelby carlson wrote: I can say, as a Conservative evangelical, that I am absolutely sickened by what Nicol just related. There's idolatry, then there's just fun and stories (which, really, is what a lot of video games are--stories.) I just do not understand the attitude of some religious folks that if you read a supernatural book, watch violent television or the like then you're automatically a horrible person. Well guess what? I read and love Harry Potter. I also make it a hobby to study mythology and world religions. Oh well then, I guess I'm headed straight for Hell. Kelby --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
Hi Will, Actually, it isn't that simple for most people. It is a proven fact a lot of what makes us who we are our religious beliefs, likes/dislikes, political associations, etc are learned from our parents. As a result we are less likely to be objective about our own opinions, religious beliefs, etc since we have to have something else to compare it to. This often can be a problem for some people. Especially, if we are talking about something as major as changing a person's religion or a different life style that is totally foreign to them. Let's assume a person was born into a nice Catholic family, was raised Catholic, and didn't have much exposure with non-/Catholics. Later he/she grows up and discoveres there are millions of Christians that are not Catholics and belong to the Lutheran, Baptist, and various other churches. How exactly is this person to make a choice or a decision if one church is better than another when to his/her mind Catholicism is all they knew growing up. In such a case they aren't likely to be very objective, and what opinions they have is likely to be similar to what they have been told growing up. Yes, opinions can change, people can change, but it also takes work. First of all the person has to realise they really don't know if being Catholic is better than being Baptist, and has to get some firsthand information about each religion and base their new opinion on solid firsthand experience and information rather than subjective opinion they heard growing up. william lomas wrote: well nicole chose to be part of jehovas witness so it is his problem we can choose waht we believe in life don't blame other people blames oneself for decisions you make. People never stand up for their own opinion, religion particularly jehovas witness is ramming it down peoples throats and it paranoia --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Finaly some traffic on this list. GRIN.
Now see what we did Chuck. Between Robin's and Lori's questions and all of our great help, we finally broght the list back to life. GRIN. For Lori and Robin. If you need any help. Let Chuck and myself know on or off list. Will help our where possible and if we can't? We know someone who can. Enjoy the games. Matt Ron Kolesar there great Dogs! kolesar16...@roadrunner.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
You have the wrong idea of what it means to be a christian. It is quite sad how some individuals give things, (like blindness or a specific religion) a bad name by acting odly or saying things like everybody in the group means it. I'm sure you've met that blind person that feels so sorry for him/herself that they can't do anything. If you're that person I'll pray for you. not all christians are like that, judging left right and centre. People shouldn't judge other people like that, not even the christians who judge. Usually you don't have all the facts. - Original Message - From: Wil James w...@wilanddenise.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Here's an interesting question. If weather forecasters can tell the future, where do they go? Heaven? Hell? Christian stations have weather forecasts on them, so does this make them a bit on the hypocritical side? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Hey Chuck,
As Buggs bunny would say aren't we a couple of stinkers? GRIN. We had to bring this dead list back to life with just a little bit of traffic. GRIN. Matt Ron Kolesar there great Dogs! kolesar16...@roadrunner.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
Everything depends on your own attetude on things. I read harry poter, play sarah, Shades of doom and Mota, but if you take something too seriously it can really damage you. A game stops being a game when you start seeing it as real. In my opinion that would be your own fault or in some cases the persons influencing you. - Original Message - From: ari aridamoula...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Good one Wil! But, I hate to really throw a spanner in the works here, but what I find interesting is, and I'll tell you guys why I think it's rubbish, but as a liberal Christian myself I find it weird how some Christian pastors who claim that somehow playing some games actually loosens evil spirits, or makes you vulnerable to becoming possessed somehow. This is especially so where I live, because in Africa many people have very strong beliefs in spirits and evil forces being able to influence the world. Like, I know you have them in America as well, the people who say you listen to the music, when it gets played backwards you get the hidden messages? I'll tell you why I don't believe the whole thing about spirits and games, because if it was so, Phil and Dark and everyone who likes and does fantasy RPG's would have been really mentally disturbed by now! You just need logic and balance. I won't say that elements in games could influence you or could disturb you mentally enough into taking up wrong spiritual practices, but it is for you to not allow that, like I would consider a game that had something like glassy-glassy to be uncomfortable for me to play, since I believe that is wrong in real life that is not something I would ever want to dabble in. If I think a game could be spiritually disturbing for me, I just don't play it. I remember, and this was even a long time after the Berlin Wall came down, in my defense I was only 9 years old, didn't understand politics and was very impressionable, but at school we had this weird old guy who loved teaching us, probably from an old sylabus written during apartheid gave us Life Orientation, and one of his favourite topics was the evil influences computer games had on people. They were iether introduced to the West by Leftist and Soviet Russian forces to lead us away from our Christian values through brainwashing, and some aparrently were openly from the devil, apparrently he claimed that there was a game where you had to go into churches and break things. It's disgusting to make little kids like that so paranoid and even a bit fearful, but I was lucky enough to have a great older brother and friends who told me that normal games are not like that, that games are actually good, and that, at that time you'd hardly ever see games with such disturbing and wrong themes for me in the shops. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
it is only a of christians (hopefully) minority that thinks that way and I consider a little crazy, but who am I to judge? - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson b-peter...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion And yet they idolize C.S. Louis when, by their own logic, he should be sin. So I totally agree. And then they make their own video and computer games which involve their share of combat to slay the demons and eil spirits, the very things they seem to vilify. I remember hearing of a computer or video game a few years back, althogh I forget the title, which put you in control of a CHristian champion exploring an underground labyrinth to find and rescue other Christians who were imprisoned down there. And yes, I seem to recall the game had its share of tricks ad traps and monsters. So how they can come down on you for a game wherein your goal is to rid a world or, in MOTA's case, a tomb, of evil, is beyond me. I respect people's beliefs but often they make absolutely no sense to me. I want you...to go upstairs...and kill that boy! From: ari aridamoula...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Good one Wil! But, I hate to really throw a spanner in the works here, but what I find interesting is, and I'll tell you guys why I think it's rubbish, but as a liberal Christian myself I find it weird how some Christian pastors who claim that somehow playing some games actually loosens evil spirits, or makes you vulnerable to becoming possessed somehow. This is especially so where I live, because in Africa many people have very strong beliefs in spirits and evil forces being able to influence the world. Like, I know you have them in America as well, the people who say you listen to the music, when it gets played backwards you get the hidden messages? I'll tell you why I don't believe the whole thing about spirits and games, because if it was so, Phil and Dark and everyone who likes and does fantasy RPG's would have been really mentally disturbed by now! You just need logic and balance. I won't say that elements in games could influence you or could disturb you mentally enough into taking up wrong spiritual practices, but it is for you to not allow that, like I would consider a game that had something like glassy-glassy to be uncomfortable for me to play, since I believe that is wrong in real life that is not something I would ever want to dabble in. If I think a game could be spiritually disturbing for me, I just don't play it. I remember, and this was even a long time after the Berlin Wall came down, in my defense I was only 9 years old, didn't understand politics and was very impressionable, but at school we had this weird old guy who loved teaching us, probably from an old sylabus written during apartheid gave us Life Orientation, and one of his favourite topics was the evil influences computer games had on people. They were iether introduced to the West by Leftist and Soviet Russian forces to lead us away from our Christian values through brainwashing, and some aparrently were openly from the devil, apparrently he claimed that there was a game where you had to go into churches and break things. It's disgusting to make little kids like that so paranoid and even a bit fearful, but I was lucky enough to have a great older brother and friends who told me that normal games are not like that, that games are actually good, and that, at that time you'd hardly ever see games with such disturbing and wrong themes for me in the shops. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are
Re: [Audyssey] Hey Chuck,
We soitenly are! --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: The Kolesar Brothers kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Hey Chuck, As Buggs bunny would say aren't we a couple of stinkers? GRIN. We had to bring this dead list back to life with just a little bit of traffic. GRIN. Matt Ron Kolesar there great Dogs! kolesar16...@roadrunner.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota
Thomas you said all I wanted to say here, but far better thein ever could. Now I have not been concentrating gamers so where can I get mota from/ I want to play the thing and will buy it, so can someone please point me in the direction to download what ever is available? thanks in advance. Skype lisa12256, come join my chat list at, lisas-list-subscr...@raineemusic.com - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota Hi Nicol, Well,talking about someone's religious views, opinions, and beliefs is a sensitive issue for this list. We have specific guidelines in place to prevent listers, including the moderators, from flaming anyone based on his or her race, religion, or gender. So I'll try and tread carefully, and I hope I don't step on anyones toes when i do. As you are probably aware there are several different opinions out there what defines living a good, moral, religious life. I've met my share of Christians who lead very laid back liberal lives, and I have met my share of Christians who are extremely rule bound. Based on what I've read in your e-mail your mom is the very rule bound type who sees sin, evil, in everything and anything that isn't specifically religious. Especially, games she doesn't like. Believe me when I say I know all too well what that is like. My wife's family, my in-laws, are a lot like your mother. I love Star Wars, and my in-laws claim it is Satanic. I like the Harry Potter books, and my in-laws say that is Satanic. I like a mixture of Country and Rock music, and my in-laws say all music that isn't religious in nature is sinful. Since they view most television shows as sinful the only stations you can watch at there house is Home and Garden, DIY, Trinity Broadcasting, and anything else with religious or home repair type programming. You wouldn't catch them dead with programs such as Law and Order, CSI, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, whatever. In my personal opinion I think people like my wife's parents are obsessed and fanatical about religion. However, it is their choice to live that way and I must respect them for it even if I completely disagree with them about their point of view. So here is the point of this message. In regards how to handle your mom regarding your choice in games weather it is Shades of Doom, Mysteries of the Ancients, or something else you are not going to be able to convince her to see things exactly your way. Having dealt with my in-laws, which have a similar view about video games, she's already made her mind up that these games are bad, sinful, evil, whatever name you want to call it. The best thing you can do in a case like that is try to agree to disagree. Try to look for areas you can compromise on without totally surrendering to her views. For example, your mother asked you not to play these kinds of games on her computer, read e-mail about them on her computer, whatever. Since that is her computer, she finds the material offensive, respect her by not putting that kind of material on her computer. However, if you download and play games on your own personal computer then your mom needs to respect your right to do so provided it is on your own computer not hers. You are a fully grown adult, and your mom not only needs to respect that, but needs to learn she is no longer responsible for your choices and decisions. I think most Christians would agree with me that your mom and the elders of your church have absolutely no right to invade your privacy, remove stuff from your computer they disagree with, all in the name of religion. That's just flat out wrong, and falls under the category of religious abuse. Anyway, as for the deeper question, is Mysteries of the Ancients sinful to play, I'm pretty sure it is not sinful. Your mother's opinion that Mysteries of the Ancients has to do with idolatry is simply ridiculous, and is pretty far fetched. This is a perfect example of someone who shoots off their mouth and haven't a clue what they are talking about. All the while believing themselves to be holier than thou. First of all, idolatry by definition is the worship of idols. If I made you a statue and told you to pray to it that would be idolatry. If I made you a cross, a picture of Jesus, or anything else religious and told you to pray to it, worship it, instead of God that would be idolatry. If I told you I was a god, told you to worship me instead of God, that would be idolatry. Since you don't worship my game, at least I hope you don't, that isn't idolatry. It is simply entertainment. Nothing more and nothing less. As for your mother getting upset over the word tomb in the title that is irrational as it gets. Sure tombs are burial places for the dead, but many are very interesting to study and explore. The Egyptian pyramids once were used as tombs, and
Re: [Audyssey] mota
www.usagamesinteractive.com. Right now it's in Beta stages but with luck it won't be much longer ntilwe see the full version. I know Thomas is more than ready to get the thing out the dor. I want you...to go upstairs...and kill that boy! - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota Thomas you said all I wanted to say here, but far better thein ever could. Now I have not been concentrating gamers so where can I get mota from/ I want to play the thing and will buy it, so can someone please point me in the direction to download what ever is available? thanks in advance. Skype lisa12256, come join my chat list at, lisas-list-subscr...@raineemusic.com - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota Hi Nicol, Well,talking about someone's religious views, opinions, and beliefs is a sensitive issue for this list. We have specific guidelines in place to prevent listers, including the moderators, from flaming anyone based on his or her race, religion, or gender. So I'll try and tread carefully, and I hope I don't step on anyones toes when i do. As you are probably aware there are several different opinions out there what defines living a good, moral, religious life. I've met my share of Christians who lead very laid back liberal lives, and I have met my share of Christians who are extremely rule bound. Based on what I've read in your e-mail your mom is the very rule bound type who sees sin, evil, in everything and anything that isn't specifically religious. Especially, games she doesn't like. Believe me when I say I know all too well what that is like. My wife's family, my in-laws, are a lot like your mother. I love Star Wars, and my in-laws claim it is Satanic. I like the Harry Potter books, and my in-laws say that is Satanic. I like a mixture of Country and Rock music, and my in-laws say all music that isn't religious in nature is sinful. Since they view most television shows as sinful the only stations you can watch at there house is Home and Garden, DIY, Trinity Broadcasting, and anything else with religious or home repair type programming. You wouldn't catch them dead with programs such as Law and Order, CSI, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, whatever. In my personal opinion I think people like my wife's parents are obsessed and fanatical about religion. However, it is their choice to live that way and I must respect them for it even if I completely disagree with them about their point of view. So here is the point of this message. In regards how to handle your mom regarding your choice in games weather it is Shades of Doom, Mysteries of the Ancients, or something else you are not going to be able to convince her to see things exactly your way. Having dealt with my in-laws, which have a similar view about video games, she's already made her mind up that these games are bad, sinful, evil, whatever name you want to call it. The best thing you can do in a case like that is try to agree to disagree. Try to look for areas you can compromise on without totally surrendering to her views. For example, your mother asked you not to play these kinds of games on her computer, read e-mail about them on her computer, whatever. Since that is her computer, she finds the material offensive, respect her by not putting that kind of material on her computer. However, if you download and play games on your own personal computer then your mom needs to respect your right to do so provided it is on your own computer not hers. You are a fully grown adult, and your mom not only needs to respect that, but needs to learn she is no longer responsible for your choices and decisions. I think most Christians would agree with me that your mom and the elders of your church have absolutely no right to invade your privacy, remove stuff from your computer they disagree with, all in the name of religion. That's just flat out wrong, and falls under the category of religious abuse. Anyway, as for the deeper question, is Mysteries of the Ancients sinful to play, I'm pretty sure it is not sinful. Your mother's opinion that Mysteries of the Ancients has to do with idolatry is simply ridiculous, and is pretty far fetched. This is a perfect example of someone who shoots off their mouth and haven't a clue what they are talking about. All the while believing themselves to be holier than thou. First of all, idolatry by definition is the worship of idols. If I made you a statue and told you to pray to it that would be idolatry. If I made you a cross, a picture of Jesus, or anything else religious and told you to pray to it, worship it, instead of God that would be idolatry. If I told you I was a god, told you to worship me
Re: [Audyssey] games and religion
hmmm. Thats something I need to do with computers, its not religious but I have a habbit that I spend to much time on the pc when anything breaks like my hard drive or the system goes down I mope around. Slowly starting to get out of it. Another thing is that if something goes down and you work without sleep all night and all week because well Its a part of you then something is vary wrong. Its something I need to watch, not that it is easy. computers are part of life but they are just not life itself. At 06:25 a.m. 19/04/2009, you wrote: Hi, I agree with you for the most part. I am also a christian, and I have played Dungeons and Dragons for a large part of my christian life especially after I became blind. Games in and of themselves are not the problem, it is the persons focus on those games that cause the trouble. This isnt a preaching sermon, just a little information. The common christian is told that JESUS is to be their main focus for every aspect of their life, so when a christian gets involved in other things, there is this constant reminder that material possessions and such have their place, but it should never be before JESUS. In my case, I had to stop playing dungeons and dragons because I would blow large amounts of cash on it, and play it constantly to the point it would consume my life. To a non christian that might seem fine to have a favorite hobby, but for the christian who focuses on that favorite hobby it becomes a kind of battle about what needs to take first place. Some cults and other religions require strict rules on what to eat, touch, watch, celebrate and enjoy. The belief is that by sacrificing things in their lives will make them holier in some fashion. All that does is take away the object, but it doesn't take away the desire in the heart of the person who wants those things. I hope that examined the brain of the common christian, grin. al --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Finally some traffic on this list. GRIN.
h oh man 19/04/2009, you wrote: Give them bad info just to frustrate them, and watch the fun on the list. (evil grin, just in kidding) --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: The Kolesar Brothers kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Finaly some traffic on this list. GRIN. Now see what we did Chuck. Between Robin's and Lori's questions and all of our great help, we finally broght the list back to life. GRIN. For Lori and Robin. If you need any help. Let Chuck and myself know on or off list. Will help our where possible and if we can't? We know someone who can. Enjoy the games. Matt Ron Kolesar there great Dogs! kolesar16...@roadrunner.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
