Oh yeah, I remember the typing invaders one. I'd love to find something
like that to let my students mess with...a bit of a change from the typing
practice they do now.
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And wasn't there a snake that would bite you and start a similar situation?
I've been lucky a time or two and found the kit in advance. I just tried to
get Louis's version, but when I ran it I got some kind of basic error.
Anyone know what that might be about?
Thanks,
Terrence
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Hello all,
I'm using Windows XP Pro, and for just about any game that uses SAPI, I get
an error message of some sort about SAPI not working. What can I do to fix
this?
Thanks,
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Hello,
Have you tried coppying the sounds to program files\vip mud\sample
sounds?
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Hi all,
I highly doubt the amulator will work with Jaws from the instructions I read
about it.
My offer still stands.. If anyone has an old system with some of these disks
please let me know.
Learn from the comfort of your home. Choos
What OS are you using? You should have it; it's actually DOS (spelled D O
S), and is generally called "Command Prompt", or something similar. I
believe it should be under All Programs/accessories.
HTH,
Terrence
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hi to dark
considering you are the chief newsgiver on audiogames.net i suggest
you take english class lol your spelling is atrocious
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I remember Typing Invaders as well. Then there was the Music game, which was
basically Simon on the Apple II.
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oh, a
NO I HAVE NOT, HAVE YOU TRIED IT AND GOTTEN IT TO WORK?
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Hello,
Have you tried co
Hi Terrence,
The first thing that I would try would be the DelUserLex.exe file that you can
find on my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page, as well as on the GW
Micro and Freedom Scientific sites. It is a strange file in that it doesn't
say or seem to do anything, but it did fix my s
Yes, and it doesn't work! Is there any accessible client with which you
succeeded playing sounds?
Milos Przic
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Hmm...I tried the deluserlex program with no success, and I don't seem to
have that sapisvr program. When I got this computer it already had SAPI
issues, and I think the first time it got a restore point made for it was
when I bought the license for it after finding out it wasn't genuine. I'm
Hi,
I for some reason do not have MS Daus on my system. Is there a place to
download it or something?
Thanks in advance,
Ryan
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If you mean the last news post, please bare in mind that it was written on a
train, with a very slow connection, and a laptop perched on my knee.
Sticking in so many links when only one window opens at a time is frankly a
nightmare!
Btw will, I have written or modified 40 game entries in the
While we're discussing this, you might work on improving your punctuation
and grammar too, will. Some of your emails are hard to read, much harder
than Darks.
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I'm running windows XP, but I think Daus got deleted from my system a long time
ago. Is there anyway of reinstalling it?
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Hi to Will,
Perhaps you could join the classroom yourself and learn a bit of english
grammar.
Perhaps once you graduated you would know what a run on sentence is.
Perhaps after that, you could move over to the manners and etiquette
classroom and pick up a few pointers.
Perhaps after that,
How could you remove command prompt from xp? If you are on your desktop,
press alt + r. Then type cmd. It should open a command prompt window, whitch
is windows's way to run dos programs.
If this doesn't work, then there is a problem with your command prompt.
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Well said, che!
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First of all, it's DOS. D O S. Stands for Disk Operating System if I'm not
mistaken. And if you deleted it wouldn't that cause problems with the rest
of the machine? I'm no expert on the inner workings of computers, which is
probably why you've seen no actual games from me. But you have to reall
I tried pressing alt plus R on my desktop and nothing happened. It just stays
on the desktop.
I don't know how I removed it, but I think I did a long time ago.
This computer is pretty old. Can I buy a CD or something to put it back on
there?
Ryan
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And here's the page to download a "new" adaptationfor DOS and Windows
entitled "Eamon Deluxe," which has its own "flair" if you will...
http://eamonag.org/pages/eamondx.htm
And yes folks, I've just started my adventuring into the world, and I'm liking
it!
Catch ya all later!
PS. No dos on
Windows+r is the correct command acctually.
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I tried pressing alt plus R on my desktop and nothing happened. It just
stays on t
Wow! a Pc port.
thank you Trenton for doing the investigating I never bothered to do.
Oh wait a second, - this means I'll have to write yet another game
page, ooh horror! no! Dm! you!
(joking, of course).
Beware the Grue!
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It's my fault, I meant windows key + r.
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I tried pressing alt plus R on my desktop and nothing happened. It just
stays on the desktop.
I don't kno
I'm really sorry to say my celibration might have been a bit early.
I've download the eamon delux full collection, tried to run the install, -
and no readable text!
I can't even get to Hal's commands to check the focus, which is distinctly
od.
Has anyone found a way of getting this
hi dark. i can install and read it fine with nvda.
but after it, wen running the game itself, it's all stuff in dos
prompts, and very slow to nvda reads. sucks thing, if the emulator
works with it, it'll much better.
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Hi Phil,
Yeah, the original pyramid shape was kind of cool. Though, you couldn't
tell that from a audio game perspective. Anyway, at any rate since the
new game takes place in Greace a pyramid wouldn't exactly work from a
historical point of view. Grin.
Though, I can tell you Tomb Hunter II, th
Hi Dark,
When the program loaded on my system, I found that I had to go to the
taskbar and hit enter on it. I then hit alt+enter to bring it up in full
screen mode, and then the install program read just fine. Give that a try.
Jeremy Hartley
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Well, I can look into it, but as I said in an earlier post adding random
elements to a side-scroller certainly isn't going to be easy. It is a
lot easier in a FPS title just because there is a lot less work
involved, and the levels are layed out more logically.
matheus wrote:
yea thomas
Hi everyone,
I fixed the MS-Dos problem. I'm playing Eamon now, I'm so happy. lol
Anyways, does anyone know where I can get that old game called Mars? It was a
classic.
Also does anyone know why the sounds don't work in Dos?
Thanks in advance,
Ryan
I can send the game called mars to you if you want.
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Subject: [Audyssey] Mars.
Hi everyone,
I fixed the MS-Dos problem. I'm playing Eamon now, I'm so happy. lol
Anyways, does
i also want this game!
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Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Mars.
I can send the game called mars to you if you want.
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I'm also having trouble.
Mine says something about can't run in full screen mode or something
like that.
I wonder if there's a way around that.
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Hi Tom,
I would imagine the number of times you hit the left or right arrow to get
from one edge of the level to the other would be less and less due to the
level sizes being a little bit shorter.
If each room was ten feet wide than the top level would be 10 foot wide and
the bottom level would
Ah, panic over,
it seems to be fine when run in a window as apposed to full screen.
appologies for inflicting my trials on people.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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I can't even install it. I run the Install program and Window-Eyes gets
funky.
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Ah, panic over,
it seems to be fine whe
Here is the "MS DOS" version done by John Nelson if anyone has troulbe with
the other one:
http://eamonag.org/pages/eamon-PC.htm
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*grins*
Have fun guys!
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Wow! a Pc port.
thank you Trenton for doing the investigating I never bothe
Hmm.
I tryed putting it in window mode with the program properties, and it
still doesn't work. I wonder what's up? I'm using windows vista.
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I have played with the "offiecial" dos version,, however not ith the deluxe
one.
What seems to be the problem?
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Oh, wait... that is the problem! Hmmm...
I'll have to play with the deluxe one myself as ell.
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I installed it to the C drive, but now when I click on the EamonXD.bat file I
can't read anything. This is for the dellux eddition.
Any one else have any luck?
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Its best if you run that in a dos command prompt.
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I installed it to the C drive, but now when I click on the EamonXD.b
As I said, Window-Eyes gets fnky, sort of slggish. I can't use the mouse
reading keys.
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I have played with the
hi ryan, i have the same problem, to install it's all ok, but to play,
some sounds start to play and noting more speaks.
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I
That's why I use NVDA most of the time for that game. Actually, I use it all
the time!
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As
Hey folks,
Audio Games.net is now at the top of the "gaming galaxy" page, under PCS
Games, which thanks to a "small" notice from one of the staff at AG, uh,
lets just say, ... a "word" was changed on the main page of the galaxy
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Hmm. I got the dos version to work.
I couldn't get the deluxe version to work.
When i run the installer, I get this message.
Msdos 16 bit sub system.
This application doesn't support full screan.
I set it to run a regular window, but it keeps on doing that.
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Here's the link to all "Eamon" manuals on the Eamon AG site:
http://eamonag.org/pages/eamon_manuals.htm
In the deluxe one, it seems that the author has a "copy?" of qbasic in
there? So I'm think you're gonna need that.
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Hi,
Yeah, I am only planning one set of levels for this first release.
Especially, since the old levels aren't compatible with the new engine
and the old ones require just as much time to add and create as the new
ones.
Shadow Dragon wrote:
My vote? New levels. If people really want the old l
Hi,
Generally speaking the armour follows the same principles as your
weapons. To b sure you can always view the item to make sure its mr,
stamina, etc is the same or better as your existing items. If you get
say some sturdy leather that may be roughly equal to common metal armour.
William L.
Exactly four years after the first public release of Top Speed 1.1, an updated
version of Top Speed 2 is available for testing. Top Speed 2.1 has some bug
fixes compared to 2.0 aswell as some minor new features:
the menu has been rearranged
some new sounds, tracks and cars
more realistic phy
All I gotta say is, raa!
I can't wait to actually get home and try this. Thanks!
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Well, now this is gonna be cool to check out!
OO, another company to add to the galaxy! Hmm. I wonder when the "TS
Community" is gonna come back.
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This is great -- my email programm blocked out the attatchment, though, is
the release on the site?
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Ooops. I think I misread your message. Sorry!
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I've just downloaded it from their site.
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Hi Willem and all,
Sigh. Understand that the Genesis Engine was never designed with this
sort of thing in mind. It was designed to place monsters and items for
an FPS game and not for a side-scroller. To add certain monster
sponnning triggers like you propose means I have to reopen the Genesis
try hitting Alt enter to come out of full screen mode, which for some
reason causes merry hell with Hal.
then, just press enter on the first option to install.
hth.
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In windows Xp the Eamon Bat file actually shows up as a bog standard
openable file, in fact I thought it was an exe file until I checked in
the properties.
if this isn't the case on your machine something must be going wonky
somewhere.
Beware the Greu!
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Rats. It isn't worth the time, expense, and effort. Ah well. No problem.
What we get'll be good, I'm sure. Some ideas may be cool, but not
practically doable.
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As did I. I can't wait to play people with the desert street track. Nice
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Just thought folks might be interested, since it's come up on this here list
a time or 6. After sending me and a couple others I know emails to confirm
our subscriptions, keeping in mind none of us subscribed, I went to see
exactly what it was I was supposedly confirming. As it turns out, I wasn't
Tried that already.
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try hitting Alt enter to come out of full screen mode, which for some
reason causes merry hell
Hi all, what games are there available for blind children? Thanks!
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Hi Ryan,
MS Dos hasn't shipped with Windows since Windows 95. However, Windows XP
does have what is called the Windows command prompt which will run
several older Dos applications. To access it just press the Windows
Key+r and type command. Press enter on ok and you will get a command
prompt i
I just turned twenty-eight in June, so I definitely remember those days.
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Hi Ryan,
MS Dos hasn't shipped with Windows since
Ah. Wasn't it fun writing batch files and seeing them work after you wrote
them? That's what got me interested in learning programming.
Unfortunately, the only skilled reader that could be found at the time had
to stop reading for me during the learning of COBOL. I had to drop out of a
fast-
I believe there was a dos in windows 98 as well, but could be rong.
Not sure in Windows ME
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Hi Ryan,
Hello,
I coudn't succeed making sounds play in his mud whatever I tried. Shall we
ask David Greenwood for his opinion on this?
Best regards!
Milos Przic
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Hi chris.
what age of children?
if their really young, ie, 3-6 you could try
http://wwwx.cs.unc.edu/~gb/wp/research/hark-the-sound/
vip gameszone have some games for older kids, as do 7-128. if the kids are
older you could try Mudsplat, a game aimed at children, I also here
that t
Depends on the error.
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And wasn't
And don't forget punctuation, as the one I am replying did. It'll make
screen reader understandability a whole lot better. (grin)
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No that is my problem. I guess the sounds won't work in vip.
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Yes, and it doesn't wo
Yes I think we should
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Hello,
I coudn't succeed making sounds play in his mud whatever
Danzy Games's web site is still up shockingly, and I think search party
would also be a good game to play. Same ith that maze one.
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I can't get it running here. It's crashing on startup but it's taking the
speech so I don't know what error I'm getting. I tried restarting the
machine and reinstalling and I still can't get it running. I have directx9
installed here so that's not the issue and I not so long ago rebuilt
windows so
You can also go into the programs, then accessories, and it is in there,
called command prompt. After your work in the DOS environment, or as close
to it as we can now get, you type the word "exit" without those quotation
marks, and you're back into Windows. HTH
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wasn't there something called doss mode?
On 11/13/08, Trenton Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe there was a dos in windows 98 as well, but could be rong.
> Not sure in Windows ME
>
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Hi guys. does anyone know if the original eamon orther donald brown
is still alive?
At 06:55 AM 14/11/2008, you wrote:
Here is the "MS DOS" version done by John Nelson if anyone has
troulbe with the other one:
http://eamonag.org/pages/eamon-PC.htm
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AMEN!!!
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Hi to Will,
Perhaps you could join the classroom yourself and learn a bit of english
grammar.
Perhaps once y
Thanks to the world of Wikipedia, here's your answer!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Brown_(programmer)
To put it simply though, he's still alive.
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If there was a dos in ME, I do not know, as I never had an ME computer, and
I hear it was terrible anyway!
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all versions of windows have dos on them.
from ww95 to xp, its just emulated in the xp and up systems, well 2000 its
emulated and in win me its emulated.
The last full version is 6.22, but there is dos 7 floating around somewhere.
I wouldn't install it on your primary partition, unless you want to
Defign stil alive.
donald brown is apparently stil around, but isn't working on eamon or
interested in talking about it.
Many other people have written ~Eamon adventures, and there are various
mailing lists etc for the game which you can have a look at.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
- Origina
well I managed to get the eamon stuff installed only to find it uses qbasic.
sadly I don't have a dos screenreader or an external synth to use it even when
I did I didn't much care to run it, it was really a beep.
At any rate these games are graphics, I will try the other version, will like
it wh
yeah same here, it runs qbasic, which even with a dos reader is a dog, now the
readme mentions graphics.
So if I was running a dos reader I I'd probably not be able to read anyway.
At 09:25 a.m. 14/11/2008, you wrote:
>I installed it to the C drive, but now when I click on the EamonXD.bat file I
ok I'll try it again.
At 09:28 a.m. 14/11/2008, you wrote:
>Its best if you run that in a dos command prompt.
>
>
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>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Eamon trouble.
>
>
hal nvda etc will not speak at all, the keyboard is unresponsive.
At 09:30 a.m. 14/11/2008, you wrote:
>As I said, Window-Eyes gets fnky, sort of slggish. I can't use the mouse
>reading keys.
>- Original Message - From: "Trenton Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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