Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Flume version 1.1.0-incubating (rc1)

2012-03-23 Thread Ralph Goers
From what I can tell this is still short 1 IPMC vote. Despite the fact that I disagree with having a beta release that doesn't include some notion of beta in the release number, I will try to find time this weekend to review the release. Ralph On Mar 19, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Arvind Prabhakar

Re: [VOTE] Release Flume version 1.1.0-incubating

2012-03-19 Thread Ralph Goers
Just to be clear, although the version number doesn't indicate this the Flume community considers this to be a beta release. Ralph On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:45 AM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: This is the second incubator release for Apache Flume, version 1.1.0-incubating. *** Please cast your

Re: Flume status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of March2012 by ArvindPrabhakar)

2012-03-12 Thread Ralph Goers
On Mar 12, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Arvind Prabhakar arv...@apache.org wrote: The main reason why we feel it is necessary for us to release from the trunk is because up until now, our trunk contained sources in com.cloudera.flume

Re: [VOTE] RAT Ready To Graduate As Apache Creadur Top Level Project

2012-02-26 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: The graduation guide[1] recommends that the Rat community demonstrates it's willingness to govern itself through a free VOTE before asking the IPMC to approve graduation. So, here it is :-) See [2] for a draft

Re: [VOTE] Release jena-tdb-0.9.0-incubating (RC-4)

2012-02-25 Thread Ralph Goers
Rats - please ignore my vote. I accidentally +1'd the wrong thread. Ralph On Feb 24, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: +1 (binding) Ralph On Feb 24, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Andy Seaborne wrote: On 24/02/12 14:04, sebb wrote: The directory structures align: /download/jena-tdb-0.9.0

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator

2012-02-25 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Ralph On Feb 24, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: This is a call for vote to graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator. Sqoop entered Incubator in June of 2011. Since then it has added three new committers from diverse organizations, added two new PPMC members, and made two

Re: [VOTE] Release jena-tdb-0.9.0-incubating (RC-4)

2012-02-24 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Feb 24, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Andy Seaborne wrote: On 24/02/12 14:04, sebb wrote: The directory structures align: /download/jena-tdb-0.9.0-incubating /source-release/jena-tdb-0.9.0-incubating I see the following files (amongst others) in the RC area

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have

Re: [VOTE] Apache BVal as a TLP

2012-02-08 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Feb 8, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: Hi... It has been discussed, since a while, about the graduation of Apache BVal, whether to graduate to a TLP or Subproject and whether it is time or not, [1], [2] and [3]. In the past few weeks there has been a

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache BVal as a TLP

2012-02-07 Thread Ralph Goers
Is this a discussion thread or a vote thread? If it is a vote thread please restart it with [VOTE]. If you want to discuss whether the project should graduate then we can do that. Ralph On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:29 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: Hi... It has been discussed, since a while,

Re: Earned autonomy

2012-02-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 5, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: I fully agree the current Incubator has its issues, but radically killing it off IMO will also kill off more than just those issues: it will also kill the Incubator community

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Ralph Goers
I am +1 to what your proposal does. I am not so fond of the wording of it. I've tried to make changes to eliminate pointing fingers but just couldn't with the last section. I would suggest you take another stab at editing it to: a) make this proposal a general document, not just from you, and

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: I see that Ralph already removed the worst of my excesses, and I fixed a few others. Are we good? I'm really not in this to win a fight ( -- or an election --) but rather to help the community reach a consensus by stating a (hopefully)

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 3, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 14:04, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 2/3/2012 12:51 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: So that everyone affected by these proposals has the opportunity to engage in the discussion, I recommend that we

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 3, 2012, at 4:20 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/3/2012 5:55 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: Disbanding the PMC seems to me to be a very reactionary approach to the problem. That's because disbanding the IPMC isn't in response to /that/ problem, so little wonder you are confused

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:17 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/3/2012 7:06 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: It would be perfectly reasonable to me for the IPMC to find other ways for a PPMC to have binding votes. I don't see a reasonable alternative structure. Feel free to propose one. I thought I

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:27 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/3/2012 7:19 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 4 February 2012 01:06, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: The main problem I see, and what Joe seems to complain about a lot, is that mentors seem to fail at mentoring. Creating

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:57 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/3/2012 7:40 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: I thought I did. The proposal that Chris put forth seems to make podlings formal PMCs that report to the board simply so they have authority to vote on releases, add new committers, etc

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 3, 2012, at 6:01 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/3/2012 7:47 PM, Ralph Goers wrote Well, to be blunt, that sucks. No. In all reality, it doesn't. Far too many resources were drained in the past five years on a handful of projects which never had a hope of graduating

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 3, 2012, at 6:05 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/3/2012 7:40 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: My interest goes beyond any of those topics, though. Incubator is very tedious. Very little is resolved. Deck chairs are shuffled. But at the end of the day, projects don't have ownership

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 3, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: Your statement above could just as easily be applied to having each podling be a subproject of the IPMC (as it is today), but be given the authority and responsibility

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:29 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: ...I just realize something not clear from this proposal: are we *only* talking about the Incubator PMC Chair here, or is this a proposal for every

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-29 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 28, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Should the current chair be forced to resign I'm not going to make an issue of it. I didn't interpret this as directed at you but at what a new policy on regular elections of a PMC should be. Ralph

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-29 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: There's always the perennial chat here and there about rotating the PMC chair on a regular basis. It's my understanding that other PMCs have adopted this policy and are quite happy with it. It's also my understanding that some in this

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-29 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Deepal jayasinghe wrote: If he has not resigned, why do we have this vote (or why started this vote) ? forcing him to resign ? Because it is very poor practice, IMO, to just keep the same PMC chair in place forever without giving others the opportunity. This

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-29 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Ate Douma wrote: FTR: as should be clear from my above response, I disagree with the topic of this discussion thread. This

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-26 Thread Ralph Goers
Summary for this List: +1 [1] 0[1] -1[0] With the one IPMC member vote from mentors on the dev list and two +1 from general@incubator, the vote succeeds. IPMC member voting record: Chris Douglas:+1 Ralph Goers: +1 Ant Elder: +1 I am very confused by your

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-26 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 26, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 06:57:08AM -0500, Ralph Goers wrote: This podling has 4 mentors listed. Only 1 voted on the release. Situations like this seem to be common. My worry isn't about the PPMC or committers but about whether

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-25 Thread Ralph Goers
Did you every get another vote? Ralph On Jan 19, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Eric Yang wrote: Still missing one IPMC vote. Could someone help out? regards, Eric On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 1/15/2012 1:42 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: You know

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-15 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Everything looks fine and the build worked for me. However, I do find it odd that the online documentation references a binary distribution yet none is present on the web site below. On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Eric Yang wrote: This is a reminder to vote Chukwa 0.5.0 release

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-14 Thread Ralph Goers
You know, you have 4 mentors all of whom are supposed to be IPMC members. Have they voted? Ralph On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Eric Yang wrote: This is a reminder to vote Chukwa 0.5.0 release candidate 3. We are still missing 2 IPMC votes to close this vote. If someone could take a look,

Re: Improviing quarterly reports

2012-01-12 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 11, 2012, at 10:44 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 1/11/2012 11:54 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 00:33, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Joe Schaefer wrote: Now lets look at the remainder- several projects with no report whatsoever This has been an issue. Perhaps we

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-12 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 12, 2012, at 4:11 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: I was thinking about this differently: mentors be responsible for ensuring IPMC has a complete picture, but normally the PPMC members write the reports. (Not

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Ralph Goers
I'm not worried about a mentor that can't write a decent report. I want a podling that can write a decent report. I'm much more worried when the mentor can't prod the podling to write a report, and doesn't review it or sign it when they do. If the podling submits a poor report that is

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-07 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 7, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The ASF is not about code; it is about community. If a community forks, or otherwise emerges around a codebase

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-06 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 6, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The ASF is not about code; it is about community. If a community forks, or otherwise emerges around a codebase, we are not accepting the CODE: we are accepting the COMMUNITY. And it seems to me that if we are to say that a COMMUNITZY is

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote: As a person wanting to see Apache Bloodhound take off... yeah, I'm making a judgement call on whether that can better occur at the ASF instead of within the current Trac community. (fwiw, some of the ideas are non-starters for Trac, so the

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-02 Thread Ralph Goers
Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As long as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork it without their permission. As one of the responses on their email thread says, Its just rude. You can choose to frame it however you want, but if the

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-02 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As long as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork it without their permission

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-02 Thread Ralph Goers
FWIW, this link was used by Sam during the discussion I referred to below - http://s.apache.org/QeN Ralph On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Greg, I do

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-01 Thread Ralph Goers
Thanks, Jukka. What I find interesting is that most of the posts in the first thread are after the vote had already closed here and it seems apparent they weren't even aware the vote had taken place. From what I read there was a single initial comment expressing discomfort about the proposal

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2011-12-31 Thread Ralph Goers
I find this post disturbing. Had it been posted before the vote closed I most certainly would have voted -1 as we don't encourage hostile forks at the ASF. Ralph On Dec 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Ethan Jucovy wrote: -1 The Bloodhound proposal is to build an issue tracker by first importing the

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2011-12-31 Thread Ralph Goers
the incubator PMC would require the bloodhound project not to start from one. Ralph On Dec 31, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote: On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.comwrote: I find this post disturbing. Had it been posted before the vote closed I most

Re: [VOTE] DeviceMap to join the Apache incubator

2011-12-29 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Dec 29, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi Incubator PMC members (*), I've just reviewed the [PROPOSAL] Apache DeviceMap... thread and I think all relevant issues have been adressed now. Let's cast your votes to accept DeviceMap as an incubating

Re: [VOTE] Flex to join the Apache Incubator

2011-12-27 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Dec 27, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi Incubator PMC members (*), I've just reviewed the [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator thread and I think all relevant issues have been adressed now. I have added Anne and Dave Fisher as mentors, pending their

Re: [VOTE] Retire Olio [Was: Retire Olio?]

2011-11-11 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Nov 10, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: Coming back to this. It unfortunately seems that there's no (even optimistic) expectation that Olio will graduate. So, voting: [ ] +1 [ ] -1, no because... Hen On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:27 PM, William A.

Re: [VOTE] accept DirectMemory as new Apache Incubator podling

2011-10-02 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Hi all guys, I'm now calling a formal VOTE on the DirectMemory proposal located here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DirectMemoryProposal Proposal text copied at the bottom of this email. VOTE close on Tuesday,

Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!

2011-07-01 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jul 1, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote: -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe Jr. [mailto:wr...@rowe-clan.net] Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2011 1:24 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor! On 7/1/2011 10:19 AM, Luciano Resende

Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!

2011-06-29 Thread Ralph Goers
Sorry, but the explanation below makes things sound even worse. Apache projects are not here to give students a place to do school work. What you have described is not a community. If the project cannot build a community of people who are interested in the project for more than a school term

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Ralph On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:49 PM, berndf wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers are changing

Re: [VOTE] Kafka to join the Incubator

2011-06-28 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Jun 28, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Jun Rao wrote: Hi all, Since the discussion on the thread of the Kafka incubator proposal is winding down, I'd like to call a vote. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in

Re: [VOTE] Accept Bigtop for incubation

2011-06-17 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Tom White wrote: As there are no active discussions on the proposal thread, I would like to initiate a vote to accept Bigtop as an Apache Incubator project. The proposal is available at

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Ralph On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator

Re: [VOTE] Flume to join the Incubator.

2011-06-08 Thread Ralph Goers
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Re: [VOTE] Accept Sqoop for Incubation

2011-06-07 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Jun 7, 2011, at 8:39 PM, arv...@cloudera.com wrote: As there are no active discussions on the [PROPOSAL] thread for a few days now, I will like to initiate the vote to accept Sqoop as an Apache Incubator project. The proposal discussion thread and full text of the

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-06 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: On 6/5/11 11:02 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/6/2011 12:47 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: On 6/5/11 10:16 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: ASF members wish to devote considerable time and energy to this project, so exactly who the hell are you to

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-06 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: Hi Richard, * 2011/6/6 Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org On 6/6/11 2:48, Phil Steitz wrote: On 6/5/11 11:26 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/6/2011 1:06 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Phil

Re: Code covered by the Oracle grant

2011-06-06 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Christian Lippka c...@lippka.com wrote: While the technical analyze here seems (should not use that word) correct my understanding is that missing bits could still be provided if requested. But this must be

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: I posted a similar statement yesterday. Personally, I think the traffic on this list has settled down a lot in the last 24 hours and is now focusing in on topics more relevant to this list. But maybe that is just because it was Saturday

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: On 5 Jun 2011, at 19:15, Greg Stein wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 14:05, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 6/5/2011 10:43 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: I posted a similar statement yesterday. Personally, I think the traffic

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: I agree with you - in this case I think it would be better if IBM collaborated with LibreOffice, rather than seeking to compete. But I could be wrong. I don't work for IBM but I do work for a corporation that uses a similar business

Re: OpenOffice LibreOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Keith Curtis wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: It provides over 150 other projects, all of them are useless to you ? Yes, almost all of them are Java, and I don't have Java installed on my laptop or server.

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org wrote: On 6/5/11 16:50, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the only negative thing then

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:51 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote on 06/05/2011 06:30:06 PM: I agree with you - in this case I think it would be better if IBM collaborated with LibreOffice,

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: It could be argued either way. I am sure if IBM put its efforts to LibreOffice then I'm sure it would be a great success. So why doesn't IBM want to take part when theres a great FOSS community already in existence? Did you not read my

Re: OpenOffice LibreOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Keith Curtis wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Please, before you post here could you get some understanding of the ASF? The Apache Software Foundation doesn't pick anything. I realize that everyone

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: It could be argued either way. I am sure if IBM put its efforts to LibreOffice then I'm sure it would

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: It could be argued either way. I am sure if IBM put its efforts to LibreOffice then I'm sure it would

Re: OpenOffice LibreOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Keith Curtis wrote: What are you talking about? You can relicense to your hearts content. You just can't contribute it back under some other license otherwise user's couldn't use it and then relicense it. If you can't grasp that concept then there really is

Re: OpenOffice or OpenOffice.org

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
There is a pending trademark application for OpenOffice by Tightrope Interactive so I am not sure that Apache OpenOffice would be acceptable unless the pending application is turned down. Ralph On Jun 5, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Hi I want to know if there is any formal

Re: OpenOffice or OpenOffice.org

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Hi I want to know if there is any formal clearance on the way OpenOffice.org ought to be reffered as. Since the adquisition of Sun by Oracle, they start re-inciting misquotations of OpenOffice.org as OpenOffice even later they modified

Re: OpenOffice or OpenOffice.org

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.comwrote: There is a pending trademark application for OpenOffice by Tightrope Interactive so I am not sure that Apache OpenOffice would be acceptable unless the pending

Re: OpenOffice or OpenOffice.org

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.comwrote: On Jun 5, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: There is a pending

Re: OpenOffice LibreOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 5, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Keith Curtis wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Fully disagree. I encourage you to read the terms. -Keith - Sam Ruby This is what the Wikipedia page on the Apache License says: The Apache License, like most

Consideration of OpenOffice.org as a podling

2011-06-04 Thread Ralph Goers
I've just managed to wade through some 400+ emails to this list in the last 2 days and I would estimate that less than 10 were particularly relevant to what my vote will ultimately be on this proposal. It seems pretty clear to me that there is a lot of emotional reaction to this but a lot of

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Meritocracy and Committers for non-coders?

2011-06-02 Thread Ralph Goers
Every Apache project's PMC has a duty and responsibility to award commit privileges to individuals who contribute to the project and, when warranted, invite those people to participate in the project management committee. The conditions the PMC chooses to use to base their decisions on who to

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-01 Thread Ralph Goers
Multiple threads would be welcome. Ralph On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:25 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Dumb question. Are we obligated to converse like this, in a single email thread, for the duration of the proposal review process? Is this an organizing principle? Would I break anything

Re: [PROPOSAL] Flume for the Apache Incubator

2011-05-27 Thread Ralph Goers
A hearty +1 from me. Do you need another mentor? Ralph On May 27, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh wrote: Howdy! I would like to propose Flume to be an Apache Incubator project. Flume is a distributed, reliable, and available system for efficiently collecting, aggregating, and moving

Re: [VOTE][PROPOSAL] OGNL join the Incubator

2011-04-23 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 binding Ralph On Apr 23, 2011, at 4:57 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Hi all ASF mates, I'm writing to submit a new incubator proposal, Apache OGNL. Follows below the proposal; this vote will be open for 72 hours and will be closed on April 26th (Tue) at 12:00 am CET. Many thanks in advance

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL

2011-04-08 Thread Ralph Goers
I don't recall the Commons PMC saying the project needs to be renamed when it voted to sponsor this project. If that is necessary I'm sure they will let the project know. Ralph On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Martin Cooper wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-08 Thread Ralph Goers
On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: Hi Alan, On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Alan Gates ga...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: We are taking it seriously. We (Howl mentors and committers) discussed this and the consensus seemed to be we wanted to stay with the name if possible. The

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-02-24 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Ralph On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Alan Gates wrote: I would like to call a vote on accepting Howl as an Incubator project. The proposal is available at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HowlProposal. You can see the discussion from the proposal thread at http://tinyurl.com/5w7y9p9.

Re: [VOTE] Accept Rave into the Incubator

2011-02-24 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Ralph On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Ate Douma wrote: Given the feedback received so far I think the Rave proposal is in good shape so I'd like to bring up the vote for accepting Rave into the Incubator. The proposal is at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RaveProposal and also copied

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ManifoldCF 0.1

2011-01-08 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Karl Wright wrote: I've made the 2011 change already. But I'm having trouble reconciling your instructions with this part of the Apache license: (d) If the Work includes a NOTICE text file as part of its distribution, then any Derivative Works

Re: [RESULTS][VOTE] Wave accepted into the ASF incubator

2010-12-04 Thread Ralph Goers
Johnson, Doug Cutting, Emmanuel Lecharny, Jim Jagielski, Kevan Miller, Luciano Resende, Mark Struberg, Michael McCandless, Ralph Goers, Tim Williams, and Upayavira The 8 non-IMPC members who are ASF members: Ate Douma, Brett Porter, Leif Hedstrom, Marcel Offermans, Niklas Gustavsson

Re: [RESULTS][VOTE] Wave accepted into the ASF incubator

2010-12-04 Thread Ralph Goers
On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: On Dec 4, 2010, at 4:39 AM, Ian Boston wrote: On 4 Dec 2010, at 01:50, Tad Glines wrote: 2010/12/3 Dan Peterson dpeter...@google.com The 18 binding votes: Andrus Adamchik, Ant Elder, Bernd Fondermann, Bertrand Delacretaz, Chris

Re: Wave Incubator Next Steps

2010-12-04 Thread Ralph Goers
On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Tad Glines wrote: On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Leif Hedstrom zw...@apache.org wrote: On 12/04/2010 09:22 AM, Tad Glines wrote: Also, committers will not be issued accounts until their CLA (either ICLA or CCLA) has been received and recorded. Here's the

Re: Wave Incubator Next Steps

2010-12-04 Thread Ralph Goers
On Dec 4, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Michael MacFadden wrote: Ralph, If I understand correctly, an individual could submit an ICLA first and then later submit the CCLA if the employer or situation requires it. Meaning that previously submitting an ICLA would not be in conflict with a subsequent

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-11-30 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Dan Peterson wrote: Hi everyone, Please vote on the acceptance of Wave into the Apache incubator. The proposal is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal (for your convenience, a snapshot is also copied below) The earlier discussion

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-26 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 26, 2010, at 7:05 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message From: Tad Glines tad.gli...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 9:47:33 AM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation The word Wave is far more generic than

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-23 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 23, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Dan Peterson wrote: Hello all, We'd like to propose Wave for entry into the ASF incubator. Did Google have any trademarks on Wave and are they allowing them to be transferred to the ASF? Ralph

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-23 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 23, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Leif Hedstrom wrote: On 11/23/2010 04:44 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: On Nov 23, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Dan Peterson wrote: Hello all, We'd like to propose Wave for entry into the ASF incubator. Did Google have any trademarks on Wave and are they allowing them

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-23 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 23, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 20:47, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: ... OK - Have they explicitly OK'd Apache Wave? While Apache Wave would certainly be unique to Apache, if Google intends to keep using Google Wave (and Wave

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-23 Thread Ralph Goers
the rights to the trademark GOOGLE WAVE and the wave design logo. Hopefully, Google will become one of many happy customers of Apache Wave. Soren On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Nov 23, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Nov

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Ralph Goers
On Aug 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Greg Stein wrote: identifying the project with the ASF. Similarly on many occasions we have asked projects to pick a new name as part of the incubation process. We have made exceptions for well established brands (ServiceMix ActiveMQ were the first I

Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)

2010-08-19 Thread Ralph Goers
On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Greg Stein wrote: ** Community Since our last report, in May, we have added two more committers. These are partial committers, meaning they are restricted to certain portions of the tree. The first, artagnon, is a GSoC student for Git(!) and is adding

Re: New project proposal

2010-07-16 Thread Ralph Goers
colleagues to participate. Ralph On Jul 16, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Grégoire Rolland wrote: Hi Ralph, I'm just posting the proposal of jSpirit Project, could I add you as Interrested developper ? Regards, Gregoire On 14/07/2010 23:37, Ralph Goers wrote: How much of the code

Re: New project proposal

2010-07-14 Thread Ralph Goers
This project is definitely of interest to me as my employer does Saas via multi-tenancy (in our case multi-tenacny means all the clients share the same code deployment, not the way it is described at wikipedia). Ralph On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Grégoire Rolland wrote: Hi Otis and all

Re: New project proposal

2010-07-14 Thread Ralph Goers
service implementation per tenant. Thanks for your interest. Grégoire Le 14/07/2010 17:06, Ralph Goers a écrit : This project is definitely of interest to me as my employer does Saas via multi-tenancy (in our case multi-tenacny means all the clients share the same code deployment

Re: [VOTE] Termination of WSRP4J podling

2010-04-13 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Ralph On Apr 13, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Ate Douma wrote: The Portals PMC as Sponsor of the WSRP4J podling as well as the project community itself has voted [1,2] positive [3] to terminate the podling due to lack of interest to continue the project. I would like to call the Incubator PMC

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