Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-web] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

Hi, On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 19:09 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > Then there is no sense in naming the planet "layers" anymore. I agree > that implementation could be better, though I can even imagine how > exactly within current approach). There has never been a good reason to call it "layer

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

Hi, On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 15:14 +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > Your idea of "real work" is obviously very different from mine. > I do lots of real work on indexed images. Perhaps you should write up a summary then that explains your workflow on real world examples. At the moment we are talking

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-web] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

Hi, On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 13:34 +0200, Roman Joost wrote: > Besides the technical problems, I think you should propose a new site > layout than just pestering about the current layout. That's of course correct but Shlomi has a point here. The pages that he mentioned look vastly different than th

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/30/06, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Scripsit "Øyvind Kolås" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> On 8/29/06, Henning Makholm>> My concrete need is that I edit bitmaps with a specific color>> convention - they can be seen e.g. at .  I>> use a system of ad-hoc software t

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

Scripsit "Øyvind Kolås" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 8/29/06, Henning Makholm >> My concrete need is that I edit bitmaps with a specific color >> convention - they can be seen e.g. at . I >> use a system of ad-hoc software to convert the bitmap source to the >> vector versio

[Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-web] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

From: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I'm afraid to say that http://layers.gimp.org/ is incredibly ugly, and makes >us look very bad. As people who develop an image editing software we should >have at least a bit of rudimentary aesthetic sense. If this were a bug report, the first thing we wo

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Henning Makholm My concrete need is that I edit bitmaps with a specific color convention - they can be seen e.g. at . I use a system of ad-hoc software to convert the bitmap source to the vector versions linked to below the image; this software depends on th

Re: [Gimp-developer] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

Von: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tuesday 29 August 2006 13:14, Carol Spears wrote: > > when i put together the people for the gtk+ planet, i limited it to > > only those who had contributed for the current version cycle. > > I disagree with this strategy. First of all, because it may i

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-web] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

On 8/29/06, Shlomi Fish wrote: Well, we can use any of the following designs, which are much better: * http://www.planetapache.org/ * http://advogato.ev-en.org/ * http://planet.gnome.org/ * http://planetsun.org/ I recall seeing even better looking planets in my neverending web surfing. Plus

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

Scripsit Øyvind Kolås > Within the current gimp architecture you are asking for the job that > op would be performing to be done in a display filter, with a fixed > pallete (whilst working in RGB mode). This would cause all work being > done on the image to be displayed with the reduced palette. T

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-web] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

On Aug 29, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Well, we can use any of the following designs, which are much better: * http://www.planetapache.org/ * http://advogato.ev-en.org/ * http://planet.gnome.org/ * http://planetsun.org/ I recall seeing even better looking planets in my neverending

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Scripsit Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Now, when I edit in indexed mode I am sure that I don't accidentally give a pixel a color that is off the expected one by a delta that is too small for me t

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

Scripsit Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> I don't really care whether it is duplicated in GEGL or outside it, as >> long as the net effect of "don't let my editing result in pixel colors >> outside this small predeterined palette" is still attainable

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Øyvind Kolås <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am pretty positive that these problems could be sorted out when we> know what people working with palette-based images want to have. I am> just guessing on the needs here...Having an implied conversion to RGB on input of indexed drawables is t

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Scripsit "Øyvind Kolås" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I cannot use the smudge or blur|sharpen tool, gaussian blur doesn't > > work neither does unsharp mask, layer masks seems to work but get > > their alpha

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't really care whether it is duplicated in GEGL or outside it, as> long as the net effect of "don't let my editing result in pixel colors> outside this small predeterined palette" is still attainable with the > sum of GEGL + futureGimp.I won

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-web] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

On Tuesday 29 August 2006 14:34, Roman Joost wrote: > Hi folks, > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:30:59PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > I'm afraid to say that http://layers.gimp.org/ is incredibly ugly, and > > makes us look very bad. As people who develop an image editing software > > we should have

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Scripsit "Øyvind Kolås" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I cannot use the smudge or blur|sharpen tool, gaussian blur doesn't > > work neither does unsharp mask, layer masks seems to work but get > > their alpha thresholded. > > Neither of which are something one

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I cannot use the smudge or blur|sharpen tool, gaussian blur doesn't> work neither does unsharp mask, layer masks seems to work but get> their alpha thresholded.Neither of which are something one usually needs in a situation where one wants to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

Scripsit "Øyvind Kolås" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 8/29/06, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Or rather, we who need indexed imaged would have to fork Gimp from the >> last sane version. > I wonder which version of GIMP that is, my version of GIMP is already > crippled when it comes to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Øyvind Kolås <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: get their alpha thresholded. To do any real work on an indexed image Ialready have to go by RGB.Duplicating this behavior in GEGL would not be appropriate in myopinion, if an indexed image is loaded, the lookup table of the palette is interpreted

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  > I'm looking for normal supersampling which is subsequently> alpha-thresholded (exactly the way the ink and airbrush tools work in> INDEXED mode.)> The behaviour of the Ink tool without supersampling is unacceptably > chunky.>> So it looks like

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Scripsit Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gegl doesn't support images with indexed colors and I very much doubt > that it ever will support it. It is rather likely that indexed mode will > be completely handled by load and save plug-ins in

[Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-web] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

Hi folks, On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:30:59PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > I'm afraid to say that http://layers.gimp.org/ is incredibly ugly, and makes > us look very bad. As people who develop an image editing software we should > have at least a bit of rudimentary aesthetic sense. > > Carol tol

Re: [Gimp-developer] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

CCed to the list because I hate it when people email me annoying emails in private, and expect private responses. (see: http://www.mail-archive.com/iglu-web%40iglu.org.il/msg01595.html ) On Tuesday 29 August 2006 13:14, Carol Spears wrote: > hello, > > when i put together the people for the gtk+

[Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-web] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

On Tuesday 29 August 2006 13:07, Carol Spears wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:30:59PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Please fix all that. > > do you want me to remove your feed from that planet instance? > Carol, I already told you on the IRC that I don't want such a thing. I don't want the GI

[Gimp-developer] http://layers.gimp.org/ is Ugly

Hi all! I'm afraid to say that http://layers.gimp.org/ is incredibly ugly, and makes us look very bad. As people who develop an image editing software we should have at least a bit of rudimentary aesthetic sense. Carol told me she tried to make it look like the Layers dialog. Well, that's not

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

Scripsit Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gegl doesn't support images with indexed colors and I very much doubt > that it ever will support it. It is rather likely that indexed mode will > be completely handled by load and save plug-ins in a gegl-based GIMP. If > there's a need for editing index

Re: [Gimp-developer] Hard edged Ink tool?

On 8/29/06, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gegl doesn't support images with indexed colors and I very much doubtthat it ever will support it. It is rather likely that indexed mode willbe completely handled by load and save plug-ins in a gegl-based GIMP. If there's a need for editing indexe