Re: Performance

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 4 Feb, Raphael Quinet wrote: I wouldn't be too sure about that. On a system that I was previously administering (students' network at the university), I have seen some users that were using /var/tmp or /tmp to store their applications while they were logged in, and deleted the stuff

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: Some UI inconsistencies and a patch....

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 4 Feb, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: I'm constantly finding myself looking for tools. I know that they are there, but I have to stop and look closer at almost every single tool. There are simply too many tools (some of them could well be combined), and the icons look very much the same

Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
Hiho! I think it's time to remove that useless pencil before the release of the magic version 1.2. Did anyone use it in the last time? It contains no functionality that paintbrush doesn't have except of hard edges (anyone needing that "feature"?)... Anyway: This is up for discussion on

Pathtool?

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
Hi developers, At the moment we have got 2 Pathtools in GIMP. One which is called Bezierselect in the Toolbox but has a Path dialog (in the Layers/Channels dialog???) and another one called Path tool. The latter works a lot nicer IMHO but I haven't managed yet to transform a path into a

Re: Edit Fille behaviour change?

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 4 Feb, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: What does Photoshop do? What does that matter? Photoshop is the most used graphicstool out there and it makes sense to have a closer look on their behaviour especially in the UI sector. Anyway, even if books do now say that Fill fills with the

Re: Pathtool?

2000-02-05 Thread FUJITA Yuji
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pathtool? Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:03:44 +0100 (CET) Which one should we keep? Or better: should we merge it into one Tool which works nicely AND has a support dialog? I hope them to be merged into one tool with support dialog. Anyway, the dialog window

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
I think it's time to remove that useless pencil before the release of the magic version 1.2. Did anyone use it in the last time? It contains no functionality that paintbrush doesn't have except of hard edges (anyone needing that "feature"?)... It is a very important feature, believe me!

Re: Pathtool?

2000-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Daniel, please, do you follow the discussions on this list? At the moment we have got 2 Pathtools in GIMP. One which is called Bezierselect in the Toolbox but has a Path dialog (in the Layers/Channels dialog???) and another one called Path tool. The latter works a lot nicer IMHO

Re: Pathtool?

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 5 Feb, FUJITA Yuji wrote: Which one should we keep? Or better: should we merge it into one Tool which works nicely AND has a support dialog? I hope them to be merged into one tool with support dialog. Anyway, the dialog window title should be something like "Layers, Channels and

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 5 Feb, Sven Neumann wrote: It is a very important feature, believe me! It's your right to consider it useful, I don't and won't believe you... But the pencil can easily be merged with the Paintbrush by adding a "Hard Edges" option. Yes, if you appreciate. But the makes the eraser

Re: The toolbox...

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 5 Feb, Sven Neumann wrote: It works much better now (/me thanks Kelly). "much" is a bit too much... :) It definitely works better but the current behaviour isn't acceptable for the release anyway Well, if you don't see the advantages of a more configurable toolbox layout, I

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 5 Feb, SHIRASAKI Yasuhiro wrote: I'm all for removing the Path Tool, the Xinput Airbrush and and merging Pencil and Paintbrush. If I counted correctly this would reduce the number of tools to 24. This is a perfect number of tools since 24 % [2|3|4] == 0 which means we always get a nicely

Re: Pathtool?

2000-02-05 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 5 Feb, Sven Neumann wrote: Do you have any idea how much work is needed to integrate it with the Paths dialog? No, not yet, but I'll have a closer look on this. A number of new bugs would certainly be introduced by doing so. That's why I say: It's too late! Every line of code

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
I'm all for removing the Path Tool, the Xinput Airbrush and and merging Pencil and Paintbrush. If I counted correctly this would reduce the number of tools to 24. This is a perfect number of tools since 24 % [2|3|4] == 0 which means we always get a nicely layed out toolbox. core and

Re: Pathtool?

2000-02-05 Thread Nick Lamb
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 01:46:14PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Do you have any idea how much work is needed to integrate it with the Paths dialog? A number of new bugs would certainly be introduced by doing so. That's why I say: It's too late! Agreed. Broken stuff with no-one working on it is

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: Some UI inconsistencies and a patch....

2000-02-05 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 10:01:04AM +0100, Raphael Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you, Mark. Knowing the difference between tools and plug-ins is rather important, but is not easy for the beginner who has several dialogs open and is not familiar with all of them. If the The

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: Some UI inconsistencies and a patch....

2000-02-05 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 02:59:11PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Repeat Last" will repeat the last plug-in. Since menus do not provide feedback of wether an entry is a plug-in or "built-in" (I think it would even be wrong to do so), you have to know this, which is not easy for

Re: Edit Fille behaviour change?

2000-02-05 Thread Alex Harford
On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Garry R. Osgood wrote: Tom Rathborne wrote: I just noticed this new CVS entry: Fri Feb 4 18:27:16 CET 2000 Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED] * app/global_edit.c: edit_fill with foreground, not background. snipped... Indeed, some of the 1.2 -

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Garry R. Osgood
Sven Neumann wrote: snipped... I'm all for removing the Path Tool, Agreed: In my opinion, there is just too much work to integrate for March 31 (56 days away and counting). the Xinput Airbrush Agreed: I've just got Wacom Intuos working with GTK+/GDK on SGI, and on this platform using the

Unnecessary code

2000-02-05 Thread Martin Weber
I found also that app/gimpui.c and app/gimpunit.c contain partially the same contents as libgimp/gimpui.c and libgimp/gimpunit.c

Saving pbm

2000-02-05 Thread Martin Weber
When I save pbm in GIMP it is not saved as pbm but as pnm. Martin

Re: important: automatic mirroring to the gimp cvs

2000-02-05 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 01:38:32 +0100, Marc Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ok. I've just enabled automatic mirroring from the sourceforge cvs back to the gimp cvs. FWIW, I think this should be used sparingly. It is my belief that we should try to move plugins into a separate package from the

One more feature?

2000-02-05 Thread Seth Burgess
I'd really like to see the setting for default brush reappear. So much so that I'd do it myself. Hows this fit with the freeze? I hate to violate the freeze, esp since its been getting better. But I'm SO SICK OF THAT CALIGRAPHIC BRUSH (10x10)! Comments? Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Plugins at Sourceforge

2000-02-05 Thread Garry R. Osgood
In ChangeLog : Fri Jan 28 01:16:35 CET 2000 Marc Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] * PLUGIN_CVS: updated to give Kevin Turner write access to the maze plug-in (therefore, the maze plug-in is no longer managable within the gnome cvs server. If you have any

Re: important: automatic mirroring to the gimp cvs

2000-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Ok. I've just enabled automatic mirroring from the sourceforge cvs back to the gimp cvs. The file gimp/PLUGIN_CVS in the cvs tree controls which paths are mirrored and which are not. If anything goes havoc just delete that file and the script will stop doing anything. At the

Re: Plugins at Sourceforge

2000-02-05 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:40:32 -0500, Zach Beane - MINT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Count this as a cry out against it. I suggest waiting for a logical pause in development, such as the release of GIMP 1.2, to begin making these not-insubstantial changes in source management. My position is

Re: Plugins at Sourceforge

2000-02-05 Thread Glyph Lefkowitz
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Zach Beane - MINT wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 05:29:48PM +0100, Marc Lehmann wrote: [snip] However, since the masses haven't cried out yet, I guess we can try and see how it works in practise. Count this as a cry out against it. I suggest waiting for a

Re: Print plug-in

2000-02-05 Thread Glyph Lefkowitz
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Raphael Quinet wrote: My personal opinion: I'm all for using some of the GNOME things (especially gnome-font, gtk-pixbuf and gnome-canvas) as long as they do not have any dependencies on ORBit or other stuff that is difficult to compile on non-Linux systems or stuff that

Re: Print plug-in

2000-02-05 Thread Raphael Quinet
On Tue, 01 Feb 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME claims GIMP as part of GNOME because GIMP is better than any of the existing GNOME apps. They're trying to piggyback on our success. Personally, I think this is odious, but hey... This statement is ridiculous. They are

Re: Edit Fille behaviour change?

2000-02-05 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 07:07:37PM -0500, Zach Beane - MINT wrote: On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 06:59:57PM -0500, Tom Rathborne wrote: I just noticed this new CVS entry: Fri Feb 4 18:27:16 CET 2000 Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED] * app/global_edit.c: edit_fill with

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:45:16 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think it's time to remove that useless pencil before the release of the magic version 1.2. Did anyone use it in the last time? It contains no functionality that paintbrush doesn't have except of hard edges (anyone needing that

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Seth Burgess
My vote is for the merge of pencil and paintbrush. I don't see that having a hard-edged paintbrush is really worthy of its own icon, though it will need an option added in paintbrush. I don't know of anything that utilizes pencil in PDB at this point, but maybe I'm mistaken? I doubt removing

Re: story on advogato

2000-02-05 Thread Michael J. Hammel
Thus spoke Shawn T . Amundson Just wanted to let you guys know that I wrote up a story on advogato.com you guys might want to read for a good laugh: http://advogato.com/ 'Andover.Net and the deep pockets of Wilber the GIMP?' Interesting story, and not really suprising. I heard some

Re: story on advogato

2000-02-05 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 21:00:19 -0700 (MST), "Michael J. Hammel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The last comment I saw under this story said that a $2K award was given to "Wilbur the Gimp". Since Gimp has no non-profit (or for profit) organization, who got that money? Just curious. It goes to Yosh, who

Re: story on advogato

2000-02-05 Thread Shawn T . Amundson
On Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 12:44:36AM -0500, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 21:00:19 -0700 (MST), "Michael J. Hammel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The last comment I saw under this story said that a $2K award was given to "Wilbur the Gimp". Since Gimp has no non-profit (or for

Re: Edit Fille behaviour change?

2000-02-05 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 08:53:50PM -0500, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:07:37 -0500, Zach Beane - MINT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Fill (by default Ctrl-.) has filled using the background colour in the GIMP for as long as I can remember. I don't think it's a bug [snip] I

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 11:45:16AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiho! I think it's time to remove that useless pencil before the release of the magic version 1.2. Did anyone use it in the last time? It contains no functionality that paintbrush doesn't have except of hard edges

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 01:09:13PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: I think it's time to remove that useless pencil before the release of the magic version 1.2. Did anyone use it in the last time? It contains no functionality that paintbrush doesn't have except of hard edges (anyone needing

Re: Pathtool?

2000-02-05 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 01:28:43PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no need to discuss which path tool should make it into 1.2, since there is only one that is working. It works, it may not have all the features that Simon desired but it's nice nevertheless... It doesnt work.

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: Some UI inconsistencies and a patch....

2000-02-05 Thread Uwe Koloska
You wrote on Fre, 04 Feb 2000: On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 12:48:50AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the menus were reorganized I am constantly guessing wether "Repeat Last" will repeat my last action, the one before or not work at all, since you can't tell from the menu anymore.

Re: Plugins at Sourceforge

2000-02-05 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:33:38 -0800 From: "Michael J. Hammel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm curious why any new plug-ins should be added to the core *at all*. Gimp's distribution is fairly large as it is. Isn't it getting time to limit additional plug-ins to the core distribution to

Re: Plugins at Sourceforge

2000-02-05 Thread Dean Johnson
Michael J. Hammel spontaneously blurts out: I'm curious why any new plug-ins should be added to the core *at all*. Gimp's distribution is fairly large as it is. Isn't it getting time to limit additional plug-ins to the core distribution to plug-ins which are considered "vital" in some way?

Re: Plugins at Sourceforge

2000-02-05 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:33:38 -0800, "Michael J. Hammel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm curious why any new plug-ins should be added to the core *at all*. Gimp's distribution is fairly large as it is. Isn't it getting time to limit additional plug-ins to the core distribution to plug-ins which are

Re: One more feature?

2000-02-05 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 12:22:49PM -0800, Seth Burgess wrote: I'd really like to see the setting for default brush reappear. So much so that I'd do it myself. Hows this fit with the freeze? I hate to violate the freeze, esp since its been getting better. But I'm SO SICK OF THAT

Re: Removing pencil?

2000-02-05 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 07:13:00PM +0200, Tuomas Kuosmanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in my previous mail on this thread, I use the paintbrush as a "fine tuning" tool together with the "real" tool I am drawing with. And if it is the paintbrush, then there is no way to toggle fast between those..