Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-29 Thread David Marrs
gimp-developer-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu wrote: > Therefore I'd still > consider the "non-destructive" crop feature at least a usability > enhancement. At least personally I would assume that the crop tool of a > professional tool like Gimp would offer this option as well. (Not sure > whethe

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-28 Thread yahvuu
Hi all, Sven Neumann schrieb: > So why do you assume that a crop tool would > allow you to enlarge the image? with GIMP becoming a non-destructive editor at heart, i think it's natural to expect cropping to work non-destructively, too. Then it's more like selecting a frame for an (conceptually)

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-28 Thread Sampo Niskanen
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Daniel Hornung wrote: > On Saturday 28 March 2009, Sven Neumann wrote: > >> That's the whole point. You don't want to crop the image, you want to >> enlarge it. That's exactly why we moved this functionality out of the >> Crop tool. A user who wants to enlarge the image is nev

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-28 Thread Daniel Hornung
On Saturday 28 March 2009, Sven Neumann wrote: > That's the whole point. You don't want to crop the image, you want to > enlarge it. That's exactly why we moved this functionality out of the > Crop tool. A user who wants to enlarge the image is never going to look > for this in the Crop tool. It s

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 10:24 +0200, Sampo Niskanen wrote: > However, I'd say that this is quite an unintuitive way of performing > cropping. If I want to crop an image, my attention goes to the features > offered by the crop tool, not the selection tool. That's the whole point. You don't w

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-28 Thread Sampo Niskanen
Hi, On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Simon Budig wrote: > The current development branch has the menu entry "Image -> Fit Canvas > to Selection", which - together with the rectangle select tool - does > provide exactly this functionality. This functionality is also in the current 2.6 builds. This feature

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-27 Thread Simon Budig
Sampo Niskanen (spnis...@cc.hut.fi) wrote: > The point is changing the canvas size, but leaving the layers uncropped. > The current crop tool always crops the layers to the selected area, so you > cannot fine-tune the position afterwards - previously there was the option > of cropping only the c

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-27 Thread Sampo Niskanen
Hi, On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, bgw wrote: > Samp, I didn't look at the archive -- but the functionality you are seeking > appears to be in the rectangle selection tool. > Select a rectangle, move your cursor within the selected rectangle. If it's > close to an edge, you can move the edge. If it's no

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-27 Thread bgw
Samp, I didn't look at the archive -- but the functionality you are seeking appears to be in the rectangle selection tool. Select a rectangle, move your cursor within the selected rectangle. If it's close to an edge, you can move the edge. If it's not, you can move the rectangle. Actually, if

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-27 Thread Sampo Niskanen
Hi, I'm leaving the Gimp list now as I'm not actively intrested in the internals of Gimp's development. I just hope that my suggestion from December of restoring the non-destructive crop functionality (which sparked quite some discussion) will not be forgotton - this is a simple feature that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-01-02 Thread Sampo Niskanen
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Liam R E Quin wrote: > But one reason I crop the image is to save memory. And on a 14,000 x > 10,000 pixel rgb image, you can actually save quite a bit of memory if > you are cropping down to (say) 5,000 x 7,000. Yes, saving memory is an important aspect for a "destructive

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-01-01 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 08:47 +0200, Sampo Niskanen wrote: > [...] > I hardly ever wish to grow the image with the crop tool, I do that fairly often, and although a separate graphical way to change the image size would be just as good for me, I do sometimes grow a single layer that way. > while I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-28 Thread Sampo Niskanen
Hi, Sorry about the slow response, I've been away for the Christmas holidays. On Thu, 25 Dec 2008, Martin Nordholts wrote: > That is a good argument against making the proposed change and a couple > of points were made that I didn't think about. I will not go ahead with > my proposed change a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-25 Thread Martin Nordholts
Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 13:49 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote >> But what about making layers not be cropped by default and only crop >> them if Current layer only is checked in the crop tool options? That's >> also a one-line patch and is compatible with our future plans

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-25 Thread Alexia Death
On Thursday 25 December 2008 19:04:27 Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 13:49 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote: > > But what about making layers not be cropped by default and only crop > > them if Current layer only is checked in the crop tool options? That's > > also a one-line patc

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-25 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 13:49 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote: > But what about making layers not be cropped by default and only crop > them if Current layer only is checked in the crop tool options? That's > also a one-line patch and is compatible with our future plans to make > layer sizes auto

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-25 Thread Martin Nordholts
peter sikking wrote: > Sampo Niskanen wrote >> Thank you Martin for the quick patch. I re-built the Ubuntu >> packages with >> the patch and it works great! However, I agree with others that the >> option name should be changed or some other option used for this. >> > > can I strongly sugg

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-21 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 16:55 +0100, peter sikking wrote: [...] > When I had to think of a proper solution for this problem in general, > I would have to understand where the needs of many, many users for a > non-destructive crop are. And figure out what non-destructive crop > really means. Oxymoron,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-21 Thread peter sikking
Sampo Niskanen wrote: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008, peter sikking wrote: >> so the core of the discussion is your personal workaround for the >> highlighting feature in GIMP 2.2. >> >> Can I invite you to work with "Highlight: off" in GIMP 2.4, for a >> month >> to get the hang of it, and report back h

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-21 Thread Sampo Niskanen
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008, peter sikking wrote: > so the core of the discussion is your personal workaround for the > highlighting feature in GIMP 2.2. > > Can I invite you to work with "Highlight: off" in GIMP 2.4, for a month > to get the hang of it, and report back how it is going? Excuse me? I'm

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-21 Thread peter sikking
Sampo Niskanen wrote: > In previous versions of Gimp, the crop tool had the option to resize > the > canvas, but not to crop the layers. This functionality has been > removed > in recent versions (or at least I can't find it). This totally > disrupted > my regular workflow with all photos.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
Alexia Death wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 13:45:37 Martin Nordholts wrote: > >> What do you think about making the layers not be cropped if Allow >> Growing is checked? Making the canvas larger generally does not affect >> layer sizes when that option is checked, so not affecting the laye

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-21 Thread Alexia Death
On Sunday 21 December 2008 13:45:37 Martin Nordholts wrote: > What do you think about making the layers not be cropped if Allow > Growing is checked? Making the canvas larger generally does not affect > layer sizes when that option is checked, so not affecting the layer > sizes when making the ca

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
Sampo Niskanen wrote: > Hi, > > > In previous versions of Gimp, the crop tool had the option to resize the > canvas, but not to crop the layers. This functionality has been removed > in recent versions (or at least I can't find it). This totally disrupted > my regular workflow with all photos.

[Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2008-12-21 Thread Sampo Niskanen
Hi, In previous versions of Gimp, the crop tool had the option to resize the canvas, but not to crop the layers. This functionality has been removed in recent versions (or at least I can't find it). This totally disrupted my regular workflow with all photos. Though the highlighting feature