Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Gimp not Kim

On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:53 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:

> Last one: I checked and there are already lists there that have to do with
> Kim so you might check them out you already might be archive there I’m sure
> you are. I could be wrong. I often am.
> 
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:51 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>
>> OK one more. I might as well while I’m at it. Here is the link to the
>> page of all the lists on the page or in Marc. You can see how profound the
>> amount of information is there it’s amazing it’s a great reference.
>> https://marc.info/
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:49 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> Here’s another article about it. My experience is they have a very wide
>>> vest amount of information there. I think it personally it would be a good
>>> idea to put your list there because a lot of people from other technologies
>>> could find out about it and you could find out about them too. There’s a
>>> whole Lotta stuff there over the years.
>>> https://marc.info/?q=about
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:45 PM Daniel Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to
>>>> watch ha ha.
>>>> Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list
>>>> resource and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot
>>>> of technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
>>>> cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
>>>> technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
>>>> SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
>>>> Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to
>>>> delete the email list for Gimp. 
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
>>>> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
>>>>> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
>>>>> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
>>>>> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>>>>>
>>>>> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
>>>>> - Debian mailing lists[4],
>>>>> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
>>>>> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
>>>>> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
>>>>> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
>>>>> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
>>>>> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of luck
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Last one: I checked and there are already lists there that have to do with
Kim so you might check them out you already might be archive there I’m sure
you are. I could be wrong. I often am.


On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:51 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:

> OK one more. I might as well while I’m at it. Here is the link to the page
> of all the lists on the page or in Marc. You can see how profound the
> amount of information is there it’s amazing it’s a great reference.
> https://marc.info/
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:49 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>
>> Here’s another article about it. My experience is they have a very wide
>> vest amount of information there. I think it personally it would be a good
>> idea to put your list there because a lot of people from other technologies
>> could find out about it and you could find out about them too. There’s a
>> whole Lotta stuff there over the years.
>> https://marc.info/?q=about
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:45 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to
>>> watch ha ha.
>>> Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list
>>> resource and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot
>>> of technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
>>> cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
>>> technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
>>> SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
>>> Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to
>>> delete the email list for Gimp. 
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
>>> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
>>>> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
>>>> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
>>>> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>>>>
>>>> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
>>>> - Debian mailing lists[4],
>>>> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
>>>> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>>>>
>>>> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
>>>> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
>>>> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
>>>> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
>>>> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck
>>>>
>>>> --
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Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

OK one more. I might as well while I’m at it. Here is the link to the page
of all the lists on the page or in Marc. You can see how profound the
amount of information is there it’s amazing it’s a great reference.
https://marc.info/


On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:49 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:

> Here’s another article about it. My experience is they have a very wide
> vest amount of information there. I think it personally it would be a good
> idea to put your list there because a lot of people from other technologies
> could find out about it and you could find out about them too. There’s a
> whole Lotta stuff there over the years.
> https://marc.info/?q=about
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:45 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>
>> I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to watch
>> ha ha.
>> Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list
>> resource and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot
>> of technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
>> cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
>> technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
>> SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
>> Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to
>> delete the email list for Gimp. 
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
>> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
>>> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
>>> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
>>> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>>>
>>> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
>>> - Debian mailing lists[4],
>>> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
>>> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>>>
>>> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
>>> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
>>> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
>>> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
>>> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>>>
>>>
>>> Best of luck
>>>
>>> --
>>> Grzegorz
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>>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Here’s another article about it. My experience is they have a very wide
vest amount of information there. I think it personally it would be a good
idea to put your list there because a lot of people from other technologies
could find out about it and you could find out about them too. There’s a
whole Lotta stuff there over the years.
https://marc.info/?q=about


On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:45 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:

> I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to watch
> ha ha.
> Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list resource
> and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot of
> technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
> cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
> technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
> SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
> Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to
> delete the email list for Gimp. 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
>> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
>> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
>> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>>
>> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
>> - Debian mailing lists[4],
>> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
>> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>>
>> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
>> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
>> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
>> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
>> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>>
>>
>> Best of luck
>>
>> --
>> Grzegorz
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Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to watch
ha ha.
Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list resource
and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot of
technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to delete
the email list for Gimp. 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)


On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>
> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
> - Debian mailing lists[4],
> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>
> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>
>
> Best of luck
>
> --
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Has a long time Linux user and gimp user on practically every operating
system, Kenny is right this is an accessibility and a disability issue.
My recommendation is that you find a Linux user group in your town if there
is one and contact them, because this is a topic that would be ripe to be
addressed for a users group meeting or meet up. Do you know how people
who’ve never used it before attend the meetings and bring a box with them
and they install Linux on it for you well I’m sure an admin of Lenix can do
it for you in about 10 minutes and show you how to do it if you ever need
to if it’s possible for you.
That’s my two cents. I’m jealous you got To meet Steve Jobs. I actually had
a friend once who is an administrator and a programmer of the graphics
system I worked on at Bell Atlantic that became Verizon, and he was a
programmer in visual basic stuff like that, and then he went on to work at
next computing with Steve Jobs. Those are nice days in the 90s. Have a good
week stay safe.


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:23 PM Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Hello Kenny,
>
>
>
> First of all, I am sorry to hear about your condition.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately we don't store any compiled package for GIMP on Linux (unlike
>
> Windows/macOS packages). Even our flatpak is quite new (since late GIMP 2.8
>
> releases, if not mistaken). The Flathub repository actually stores an
>
> history of former builds, so it is actually possible to install older
>
> builds (this is quite a hidden feature of Flatpak, very useful for
>
> debugging), but I just checked and the 2.8 builds are long gone because
>
> Flathub only stores up to 25 builds (which makes me think that maybe we
>
> should store standalone Flatpak builds on our download server, but someone
>
> would have to do the work to automatize this as much as possible). So you
>
> are out of luck here.
>
>
>
> Maybe you should be able to get older .deb packages of Linux Mint. Normally
>
> distributions also keep their older packages and there are also some
>
> websites which keep archives of all packages made for various
>
> distributions. So I'm sure GIMP 2.8.x packages for Mint can be found. And
>
> if you are lucky, these older packages can still be installed manually and
>
> work on a newer distribution. You should ask about this on Linux Mint
>
> forums.
>
>
>
> As for the remark of overlooking legacy, I believe GIMP to be quite good on
>
> this actually. We take a lot of care to not break too much older usage, and
>
> rarely remove a feature without implementing first a better alternative,
>
> nor do we change things on a whim without thinking hard about it. Now we
>
> still have to evolve. Caring about compatibility is important, but it
>
> should not mean being stuck in the past. Still I am sorry to read about
>
> such a neurological disorder and I do wish you all the best. If finding an
>
> older GIMP is the best for you, I hope you'll find an older version and
>
> continue doing more of the nice photography artworks you linked earlier. 
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Jehan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:17 PM Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list <
>
> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just discovered that tools can be ungrouped in GIMP 2.10
>
> > (Sure, I can hold onto the concept that a tool is made visible by looking
>
> > inside the group of related tools, but with my particular cognitive
>
> > disorder, things that aren't visible tend to not exist in any functional
>
> > sense. Imagine if the location of absolutely everything in the world were
>
> > like the last time you lost your keys -- everything, all day, every day,
>
> > your whole life.)
>
> >
>
> > Ungrouping the tools I use regularly makes it possible to have the
> toolbox
>
> > in 2.10 appear as it always has in GIMP 2 -- a major cognitive help.
>
> >
>
> > Oh And: Now I see that the layers tab can be dragged to the set at the
> top
>
> > of the column and the brushes can be dragged to the set at the bottom.
> It's
>
> > nice not having the layers panel disappear until I look where the brushes
>
> > always were and then keep finding the brushes have disappeared until I
>
> > glance upward.
>
> >
>
> > Yes, having things only truly functionally exist when they're in view is
>
> > weird. Be very glad you can take it for granted that things exist in
>
> > locations on routes that you can keep track of without applying total
>
> > conscious effort every single time.
>
> >
>
> > Picture GIMP in your mind's eye. I can't. If you were to ask me where
>
> > things are in GIMP when I don't have the app open, I couldn't tell you,
>
> > even if you offered me an all-expenses-paid trip to Mars.
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 2:50 PM Kenny Mann 
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
>
> > >
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP on Chromebooks

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

I’m sure you can do it, all you need to do is look up “gimp on chromebook”
on Google and it shows you how to do it. But there are also online
alternatives that you can use cloud-based photo editing that may not have
all the features of game but might be a lot easier that’s why they don’t
want you to really install software on there because that’s gonna be a
security risk as far as the managing it from their school.
https://www.google.com/search?q=online+gimp+alternatives=UTF-8=UTF-8=en-us=safari
Dan

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 2:39 PM Keith Hamming 
wrote:

> Hi All
>
>
>
> I am a teacher in Michigan and our school is using chromebooks this year. I
>
> was planning to use Gimp but my tech people at school tell me I can't run
>
> Gimp on a chromebook. I read different people online that say I can. Can
>
> GIMP run on a chrome book and, if so, how do I do that?
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for your help!
>
>
>
> Keith Hamming
>
>
>
> Keith Hamming
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Missing files

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

I think it’s because when they moved onto newer versions of Linux they drop
the support for certain packages I looked it up and saw this link it’ll
probably be useful for you. And then the other link is the general search
that I did to find that link

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=253710

https://www.google.com/search?q=gimpfu+lost+debian+update=UTF-8=UTF-8=en-us=safari

Dan 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:35 AM Frank McCormick  wrote:

>
>
> On 7/27/20 9:53 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> > On Mon, 2020-07-27 at 20:43 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> >> I am using Debian Bullseye and gimp 2.10. Sometime in the distant
> >> past
> >> the resynthesizer plugin stopped loading and working because of the
> >> absence of a library called gimpfu.
> >
> > This is probably from the Python plug-in for GIMP so installing that
> > might help.
> >
> > slave liam
> >
>
>
> As far as I know there is no python plugin for GIMP, at least not in
> the Debian repositories.
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] A problem

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Yeah I meant general use

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 4:48 PM Liam R E Quin  wrote:

> On Fri, 2020-04-03 at 10:32 -0500, Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list
> wrote:
> > Apple invented the desktop
> > 
>
> Actually they pinched it from Xerox, who did invent it.
>
> Unlike Sun and AT, developing the Open Look desktop a while later,
> who licensed it from Xerox (although i don't know the terms of the
> deal).
>
> ankh
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Gimp-user] A problem

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

I was just kind of kidding because I’m sure people thought of it before
that but that was kind of the thing that says Apple apart what is the whole
creation of this interface that people could go and put their file
somewhere and that you would have these different folder sitting right
there on the “desktop“.
And I think that was all part of the lawsuit between Apple and Microsoft
over “windows”.


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:55 PM Ofnuts  wrote:

> On 03/04/2020 17:32, Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list wrote:
> > Apple invented the desktop
> > 
> >
> And they didn't patent it?
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Re: [Gimp-user] A problem

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Apple invented the desktop



On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 4:24 AM Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> On the desktop? That's probably not the best place. Unless that is a
> mac-ism that I don't understand.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:24 PM Bob Letterman  wrote:
>
> > I have used Gimp for years. I just bought a new I-Mac. Best Buy
> > transferred the data to the new, OS Catalina I-Mac from my older I-Mac.
> > Gimp is on there but, it won’t let me open desktop where, of course, all
> my
> > photos are kept?
> >
> > Please help
> >
> > Bob Letterman
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Re: [Gimp-user] Almost no tools working

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i was looking at the keyboard, thats awfully small,
im just saying it may not have all the same functions on every computer,
but i saw this video, that the keyboard itself may have lost some of the
functions
in transferring from mac to pc, and needs rebooted?
thats a lot of factors. i dont suppose youve tried it with a mouse?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYDmtM_4uUY
dan

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:30 AM dancemachinetrait 
wrote:

> I use GIMP 2.10.14. I recently switched from an old Macbook to a PC (HP
> Pavilion) and am having some difficulty in using GIMP.
>
> For health reasons, I use a wireless keyboard rather than the keyboard
> that came
> with my PC. (I need to have the PC raised.) I also use a tablet with a
> stylus.
> The keyboard is a Rii Model RT518. The tablet is a Huion Model H420. Both
> of
> these worked fine with GIMP on my old Macbook, and are working perfectly
> outside
> of GIMP.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to summarise the issue I'm having, as it seems to
> be an
> issue with more or less every tool I try to use. It seems to be
> particularly a
> problem with any tool you have to hold and drag- like Rectangle select,
> Free
> select, or the Pencil tool. I've tried every tool I frequently use on the
> PC
> keyboard, wireless keyboard and tablet. I'm not going to list every single
> one
> of them here, but here are a few examples.
>
> Rectangle select: PC works. Keyboard works. Tablet: The box that should
> make the
> corner of the selection appears, but doesn't expand when I try to drag it.
>
> Free select: PC works. Keyboard works. Tablet: Same issue. I can create
> points
> by tapping, but not create a continuous line by dragging.
>
> Crop: PC doesn't work. Nothing happens when I click and drag. Keyboard:
> Same as
> PC. Tablet: Same issue as Rectangle select: Tablet.
>
> Rotate: PC works. Keyboard works. Tablet: When I hold down the cursor, it
> changes to the icon for the Crop tool.
>
> Text: PC works. Keyboard: Nothing happens when I click and drag. Tablet:
> Same
> issue as Rotate: Rectangle select.
>
> Scale: Works on all three.
>
> Some of these keep changing; some have started working on a device that
> previously they weren't working on (e.g. the Scale tool). There seems to
> be a
> recurring issue with the stylus where when I press down, the cursor icon
> changes
> to whatever tool I used before the one I'm trying to use.
>
> I would really appreciate any help you can give. I'm happy to give more
> information if necessary.
>
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Huge image problem

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

How about converting to vector directly from gimp?
https://www.google.com/search?q=convert+gimp+to+vector=UTF-8=UTF-8=en-us=safari


On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:21 PM rich404  wrote:

> >Hi,
> >So I am working on a many years long map making project. I am using a
> >scale of 1" to 10 miles and hand drawing it on 9x12" panels of paper.
> >The current size of the map is about 20 by 20 feet. This is obviously
> >too large to see in one place, so I have been using GIMP to panel them
> >together in a digital file. Obviously, this file is getting quite
> >large. I was hoping people might have suggestions on how to reduce the
> >size of the file without reducing the image quality too much. It's
> >only going to get bigger haha. I've got no experience with vector
> >based programs, is that the direction I need to head?
>
> Gimp is a bitmap (raster) editor, works in pixels not feet and inches. It
> can
> display in feet and inches but your individual canvas (tile) depends on
> how it
> is set up with a pixels-per inch (PPI) value.
>
> Since you started many years ago when the default was 72 PPI the tile size
> might
> be 864 x 648 pixels. Then file size also depends on greyscale or colour
> (RGB)
> RGB making larger files than greyscale.
>
> Can you give details - pixel size - grey/RGB/indexed or post one of your
> individual images (a tile)
>
> For a greyscale image one tile might be about 4 MB **in memory** so a
> complete
> 20' x 20' image 500+ tiles might be 2 GB - look at the bottom of the Gimp
> window
> for size in memory. Colour will be larger again. Not impossible for a
> modern
> computer but probably slow-as-a-snail for manipulating. Obviously when
> saved,
> the file is compressed and smaller.
>
> Making smaller? The only way in Gimp is scale each tile down (or the
> whole) but
> that will result in degradation of the image.
>
> Use SVG? Inkscape can convert a raster image to a vector but it all
> depends on
> the image. Better chance with line drawings than colour images. A vector
> should
> be smaller than the corresponding bitmap and of course scales up and down
> without loss of quality.
>
> Stitching together in Inkscape? Never tried 500+ images before. Do not
> know if
> practical or possible.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Font disappeared

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Have you recently upgraded the OS?
Or any other software?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7494544?answerId=29921455022#29921455022

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2018, at 8:31 AM, totte22  wrote:
> 
> Libre Franklin Blank
> font
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Re: [Gimp-user] Layer groups seriously broken - huge resource hog

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Also, I have found in graphics the more cores you can have, the better. 
Dan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:13 AM, BWK  wrote:
> 
> I doubt you've ever tried doing a selection rectangle to that size and getting
> it exactly the right size and boundaries. It is a very slow and fiddly
> operation.
> 
>> Layer groups internally create a virtual layer representing their
>> entire composited contents to speed up overall rendering of the image
>> (at the topmost levels); a similar thing already occurs when you have
>> a project containing text layers.
>> 
>> 
>> Alternatively, you mentioned your process involves resizing the image
>> canvas as a means to 'crop' a given portion of the image out to a JPG?
>> If this is your only performance bottleneck then finding a way to
>> avoid that step should work around the issue entirely.  How about
>> trying these steps instead?
>> 
>> 1- Create a rectangle selection of the desired export size (e.g.
>> 4800x7200) at the desired location in the image
>> 
>> 2- Edit > "Copy Visible" (copies from all rendered layers)
>> 
>> 3- Paste as New Image
>> 
>> 4- Export
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Stratadrake
>> strata_ran...@hotmail.com
>> 
>> Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Color Fonts`

[Daniel Smith]

Remember too that in case you're doing this type thing for the web that you
can do some wild text styles with JavaScript or css etc.
Dan
http://www.google.com/search?q=css+JavaScript+font+animations=

On Jun 6, 2017 2:28 PM, "Carol Spears"  wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 11:36 PM, Samuel Martin  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've recently become aware of color fonts like these<
> > https://designshack.net/articles/typography/color-
> fonts-a-beginners-guide/
> > >.
> >
> > Are they supported in GIMP, and if not will they be?
> >
> > I can see how those could get real ugly real fast!
>
> GIMP as I know it cannot render these fonts as expected.
>
> Probably support for this belongs to Inkscape.  That being said by someone
> who is just guessing.  I am pretty sure that GIMP does not work with SVG as
> fonts.
>
> More than this, I saw a very beautiful web page made with GTM (GIMP Table
> Magic) so long ago.  Some of those font renderings really reminded me of
> this.
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Cleaning up a Blueprint

[Daniel Smith]

This is just my two cents but I used to work in graphics for ten years now
I do construction hopefully not too much longer 
But this seems to be a continual issue, the art haha of the office computer
ops vs reality of jobsite people getting and or using and or contributing
to prints etc.
My immediate reaction is why don't they furnish you with same program this
print was made in so you can perhaps delete in sections or categories if u
get my gist. But that might make your job quicker if not unnecessary. But
also it would give the ability to offer other options or versions of the
plan later if it was saved at diff stages, which will likely be requested.
The life of construction is based I have found around mistakes changes and
rework, some vast in scope. Good luck in your job,
Dan

On Mar 12, 2017 7:41 PM, "Ofnuts"  wrote:

> On 12/03/17 03:42, fender6strat wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I'm new to photo editing, especially gimp so I was hoping to get some help
>> with this. My new job would require me to scrub images like this down on a
>> somewhat regular basis (down to bare floor plan), what would be the best
>> way to
>> go about it? Basically I just need to delete all of the black, but when I
>> try to
>> the edges stay gray (Inherent to BMP's I'd guess). Also when I select
>> just the
>> black, after I delete it the selectors stay visible. Any help would be
>> appreciated and I apologize for my ignorance. Thanks. PS, if there Isn't
>> enough
>> resolution in the picture I could host one else where.
>>
>> Attachments:
>> * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/505/original/floorplan.jpg
>>
>> You can change all the black to white by just applying the right curves:
>
> http://imgur.com/aYXdEdE
>
> (the peak around 138 is the gray lines in your plan). Of course you get
> white gaps in the gray lines
>
> You can also change the grey to something darker in the same operation, by
> using a different curve:
>
> http://imgur.com/92N73QW
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Re: [Gimp-user] Retrieving Graphic Designs From Crashed Hard Drive (How To)

[Daniel Smith]

you didnt say whether you were on windows or mac, but i would search your
pc for the name of any files you know the name that you saved it to. that
will show you the folder(s) where all or some of the files are. if i were
you i'd try to install the same version that you were using so it makes a
replica of the previous install, then just try copying the whole folder
replacing the new similar one etc. try that and see. make a backup on disk
or thumb drive to make sure you dont lost it if something goes wrong.
dan

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:13 PM, curbstone9  wrote:

> Old Hard Drive crashed. Many GIMP graphic designs on disk.
>
> Have new Hard Drive, and external case for old drive folder/design recovery
> (if possible).
>
> My Questions:
> 1. Where do I look on the old hard drive for the designs? Which
> folder/subfolder?
> 2. If I find my designs -- where do I move them TO on the new hard drive
> (Gimp 2.8.20 installed) so I can use them again?
>
> Am I out of luck -- or is recovery possible?
>
> Thanks VERY much for any assistance.
>
> Bill Landry
> skippercdru...@gmail.com
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] ubuntu PPA additional

[Daniel Smith]

Can I ask if you notice any appreciable diff with subunit and the plasma vs
ubuntu,?
Thanks
Dan
On Jul 15, 2016 10:43 AM, "rich"  wrote:

> Sam Ashley  mailnew.com> writes:
>
> >
> > Sorry this time I forgot to add that I'd like to use a version of gimp
> > that features more than 8 bits/color, hence my questions about PPA or
> > compiling.
> >
> > And forgot to say that I'm using ubuntu studio 16.04 64 bit.
> >
> > Thanks again, and for the wonderful gimp.
> >
>
> This is the page and details of the packages.
> https://launchpad.net/~otto-kesselgulasch/+archive/ubuntu/gimp-edge
>
> Instructions are on the page but I advise uninstalling your existing Gimp
> 2.8
> packages first.
>
> then
>
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp-edge
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install gimp
>
> Note: Unlike Gimp 2.8 the Gimp profile is  ~/.config/GIMP/2.9
>
> I run this in a kubuntu 16.04 64 bit - no real problems
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Re: [Gimp-user] What causes random (in error) image color-inverting of TIFFs, over time? Is it correctable?

[Daniel Smith]

when you say youre seeing thison a web page,
can i ask what type of system yure serving the pages with?
wordpress etc? or is it an image generation with php or something?
thanks
dan

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com wrote:

 Greetings fellow Gimp Users,

 I make images using Gimp, but I assume that this question is not really
 Gimp specific.

 I have tens of thousands of images (postage stamps) on my site.  Every now
 and then when I am looking at a page I discover that the image (a JPEG) has
 had is colors sort of inverted.  The JPEGs were created in large batches
 by a script from UNcompressed TIFF images.  When I go back and look at the
 the original TIFF, I discover that its colors are sort of inverted --
 thus the JPEG is a correct rendition of the appearance of its TIFF source.

 Thus the problem is in the TIFF.  But, the problem happens now and then,
 over the course of years.  The TIFFs are _not_ being intentionally
 manipulated in that time.  The images was originally okay, now its not.  It
 seems to be completely random, just one image here and there.

 Somehow the TIFF is getting corrupted.  I am assuming by a memory error or
 a disk/RAID controller error, or such.  The images are still openable in
 Gimp.

 This is only happening to one out perhaps one out of five thousand images,
 every five years.  (I am just *guessing* at the error rate because I only
 find out about them by randomly coming across them.) But, if I have 40,000
 images, that is eight images destroyed every five years.  (And often I am
 not able to replace the image because I no longer have the item.)

 This example image was originally created in 2006.  I suspect (mostly
 guessing) that it was corrupted sometime since 2010.  There is no reason
 that it would have been edited since that time and file modification
 information shows nothing since 2006.

 On Ubuntu Linux, using identify -verbose filename.tif I can read the
 header information.  The only odd thing (to my eye) is that the create date
 is 2011 and the modification date is 2006:

 Properties:
 date:create: 2011-09-13T11:30:24-04:00
 date:modify: 2006-12-21T00:53:03-05:00

 I am guessing that means the corruption may have happened in 2011, even
 though the filesystems own file datestamp is 2006 and the lsattr command
 shows nothing unusual.


 Here is example of a) the resulting JPEG (just to illustrate the nature of
 the corruption); b) a similar JPEG to show generally what it is supposed to
 look like; c) the corrupted TIFF.

 Corrupted:

 http://jsa.viewimage.net/jsa/web/Lists/Denmark/AdPairs/Spec/re02-pair_used-vf-b_136468_r_l.jpg

 Correct image of a similar, but different item:

 http://jsa.viewimage.net/jsa/web/Lists/Denmark/AdPairs/Spec/re02-pair_used-vf-a_136467_r_l.jpg

 This is the TIFF file (corrupted, but viewable in Gimp; colors are
 sort-of-inverted)  Size 496 KB:
 http://jsa.viewimage.net/temp/gimp/re02-pair_used-vf-b_136468.tif

 My primary question is whether there is a particular bit that is getting
 flipped that could be unflipped by some sort of non-visual editing of
 the source TIFF file?

 My secondary question is whether or not other people have seen this type
 of problem crop up in large image libraries and what the causes have been?

 Any thoughts appreciated.

 Jay
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Re: [Gimp-user] Processing RAW pics?

[Daniel Smith]

can anyone say whether they have had
operations that compare in any way to Lightroom?
Thanks Dan

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

 1 янв. 2015 г. 18:28 пользователь Dutchbert for...@gimpusers.com
 написал:
 
  Please install UFRaw from ufraw.sf.net.
  
  Alex
   1 янв. 2015 г. 18:18 пользователь Dutchbert for...@gimpusers.com
  написал:
 
  I have looked at UFRaw, but the maker himself says the plug-in does not
 work
  with GIMP 2.8.

 It even works with GIMP from unstable branch. Why would it not work with
 v2.8?

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Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

[Daniel Smith]

well, i gotta say, that were i ever to actually use the gimp in any heavy
capacity, or a company i worked at would, these saving lists would be
required reading due to the variety of formats/procedures detailed.
thanks, i guess.
:)
dan


On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Chris Mohler cr33...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Renaud  OLGIATI
 ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
  I fail to understand why using ctrlshiftE rather than
  ctrlshiftS adds any time at all to your work.
 
  Not the time, but the annoyance at the stupidity of being told my file
 has not been saved, when I have just saved it back to its original format
 through Export.

 See, now this I don't get.  Instead of the dialog in 2.6 that was You
 can't include layers, paths, etc. in JPEG, flatten image?, now
 there's a dialog that's Hey you might have exported but you didn't
 save your layers, paths, etc, save them? - and somehow this is so
 vastly different?

 I was against the current behavior at the beginning, but my GIMP work
 falls into one of two cases and it works out this way:

 1.)  Without a net - destructive editing
 - I need to edit something like a 1-bit TIFF or a greyscale PNG.
 - The file is already the result of export from a complex vector file.
 - And all I really need to do is make some bits black, or some bits
 white.
 - Most of the time, I don't use layers or masks - if it's getting
 too complex I need to go back to the vector source and correct there,
 then do another export.
 - So, I open, edit, export, close the file - and then I get the
 warning, at which point I pause for a second and think: did I add
 layers, masks, etc. that I need in case this file is a tiny bit off?.
  99% of the time, I just close without saving - but there is that tiny
 percent left where I think hmm... I did save that really complex
 selection that might come in handy - what the hell, I'll save it.

 So in case #1, it adds all of a second or maybe three to my workflow
 and I've become quite used to it. It seems the loudest complaints come
 from similar workflows - which are not part of GIMP's target.  Which
 brings me to...

 2.)  Full-on GIMP - lossless editing
 - I'm creating a layered composition, or a background for another
 composition that is layered and/or complex.
 - So there's anything from text layers, layer masks, blending
 modes - all types of stuff that isn't going to be retained in the
 export format.
 - I work, save the file as eg file_20130615-01.xcf.  I export in
 my target format.
 - If the final needs changes (or I've been working over an hour),
 I save as file_20130615-02.xcf, work, save, export.

 Case #2 is exactly how I work with everything in Adobe CS - Photoshop,
 Illustrator, etc. already.  Except that eg Illustrator doesn't
 restrict the clean flag to just AI (it will treat PDF and EPS as a
 cleanly saved format), it's exactly the same behavior.  For example if
 I create a file in AI, save it, make some changes, export PNG, close
 it - it will warn me that wait for it I didn't save the
 changes in a format that will be recognized by Illustrator the next
 time I open the file.  Sounds familiar, no? ;)

 Since I already work this way, I never see the you didn't save
 dialog on these types of GIMP projects.  At least, if I'm doing it
 right that is ;)  So it adds 0 seconds to my workflow.


 I'll give you a simple example of #2: a client sends me a set of
 bracketed images of a property to combine as HDR (never mind that
 there are plenty of other tools, client also wants the dog poop out of
 the yard and the windows cleaned while we're at it, eh?). I'm
 certainly going to consider the file saved only when it retains all
 of my layers and masks, never mind if the client is only going to see
 the exported JPEG.  That way, when they come back and ask now can we
 make the sky green? (stranger requests have been made), it's open,
 adjust layer, save as, export, close instead of open, make mask
 (again), adjust, export, close, don't save.  Which saves me time,
 which saves them money, which makes me more valuable as an asset.


 If all of your GIMP usage falls into #1, you're probably using the
 wrong tool for the job.  Either deal with the extra dialog, or deploy
 one of the various workarounds (or use another tool).  If you're in
 #2, the distinction should make no difference at all, really, unless
 you enjoy doing the same work over and over again.

 Chris

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Re: [Gimp-user] Questions about gimp compairing gimp to PS

[Daniel Smith]

Alexandre,
well, design has never really been considered a high paid occupation
now, has it?
I'm even on this list only because i have a partial interest in
graphics coming from the
ten years i considered myself a potential designer.
Boy was that a mistaken period. Followed by my equally painful period
of revelations.
Like I said before, to view open source as if it's all white knights
is a misnomer. A lot of the original creators of open source, as much
as I love it, are now sitting very fat and sassy:
http://nactag.info/map.asp?addr=4RB3%20QK5Nlabel=Linus%20Torvalds%27%20House
:)
dan

On 12/16/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Ofnuts wrote:
 On 12/15/2012 01:39 AM, Daniel Smith wrote:

 it also has After Effects, Premiere Pro, etc. Lots of good stuff. For
 30 a month?

 You mean, 360 a year? For plenty of stuff I may never use?

 As in I make $60K as a designer and I ain't paying 360 a year for my
 tools? :-P

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Re: [Gimp-user] Questions about gimp compairing gimp to PS

[Daniel Smith]

well, you're the one who mentioned money.
being somewhat older now i would also very much note the need for a
good circle of friends and community, and a committed life's partner
etc for when you can't take care of yourself (or perhaps make any
money).
believe it or not it's a real possibility. I can't believe looking
back how many of my friends never made it past 30.
but here was the actual page that made me stop and think about typekit:
http://www.briangardner.com/typekit-fonts/
and this was a good article:
http://www.briangardner.com/minimalist-design/
have a good day.
dan

On 12/16/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Daniel Smith wrote:
 Alexandre,
 well, design has never really been considered a high paid occupation
 now, has it?

 By whom? :) Besides, a lot depends on lifestyle. Living frugally on
 $60K vs. living lavishly on $120K turns out to be pretty much the same
 thing or even better.

 The point I'm trying to make is that in the long run whatever works
 best is still the best approach. We can argue about licenses and
 evil vendors all we like, but once you do paid projects and treat
 this job seriously, justifying software expenses can be not such a big
 deal. Similarly, it's quite OK for people to buy Apple hardware if
 they have a project to pay the expense off nicely.

 This is really about looking at things through investment lens.

 Like I said before, to view open source as if it's all white knights
 is a misnomer.

 Indeed :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Questions about gimp compairing gimp to PS

[Daniel Smith]

See this page for multi-threaded gimp
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-October/thread.html
(they attended to the topic of cores during saving, etc.)

I already tried to post once in response to this topic, but i'll try again.
i will always have gimp on my machine, but i worked in graphics for
a long time, and i think the ability to have cross-program filters is
invaluable. such as photoshop to illustrator etc. If you use that kind of thing
or could find a use to learn it.

a while back my brother found an unopened box of photoshop cs2 in a
thrift store for 2 bucks. And i pushed a little with adobe and
registered it online.
And now I heard about this adobe creative cloud and that old cs2
qualified me to
join at 30/month. and that includes all the major 18 adobe programs,
64 bit, and
typekit premium, which is 50/yr by itself. so i took it. i mean, gimp
is great, and i guess
you can get a lot of graphics geek factor with using it, but let's
face it, one of the
other features about photoshop is that a lot of studios and designers
use it, templates are made for or from it, etc. It's just the standard
for a lot of the art/.design world.
And a lot of the great thing about that creative cloud is photoshop is
just the entry point,
it also has After Effects, Premiere Pro, etc. Lots of good stuff. For
30 a month?
Daniel

On 12/14/12, Chris Mohler cr33...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 In re adjustment layers, I may be missing something fundamental but
 I seem to be doing the same thing, more or less, in the GIMP:

 Nah. In PS I can insert a levels layer.  Everything under the layer
 is affected by the levels operation.  But here's the kicker - you can
 always go back and adjust the levels settings.  I don't use PS all
 that much anymore, but there were a few adjustment layers that real
 time-savers (colorize being one).

 As you say, you can sort of get the same result in GIMP manually but
 the mechanism is not the same at all.

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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed

[Daniel Smith]

what he said. that's what i meant when i said before that you would
still have the layers, that you had the .xcf file somewhere.
:)
dan

On 11/18/12, Burnie West w...@ieee.org wrote:
 On 11/18/2012 12:09 PM, jenn golden wrote:
 Is there a way to get back all of your layers once you save a file and
 close
 out of it? I am new and am creating magazince covers - All I need to do is

 change the pic - but did not want to have to re-create the entire cover if
 I
 did not need too Thanks!
 Are you using gimp 2.8? If so, when you save the file all the layers are
 retained (unless you specifically merged them). You would export to (e.g.)
 jpg
 or png, and then save to xcf format. Loading the .xcf version should still
 have
 all the layers. Loading the exported .png or .jpg version would not.

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Re: [Gimp-user] 8x10 photo without cropping...

[Daniel Smith]

I am assuming you're asking it this way too because you saved it as a
flattened version of your work? I mean, if you have a version of it
with all the layers as live text and added graphics still separate,
you could just save or copy out another of the background pic and
scale or resize to your wishes, and then re-add and size or position
the text and/or graphics according to taste, right?
Hoping you did save with layers intact somewhere.
Daniel

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 Am 16.11.2012 22:30, schrieb jenn golden:
 Hi - I am a bit of a newbie to this prog. And the issue I am having,
 is that I created a Magazine cover using my son's football pic. To
 make a long story short - I can create a fabulous 4x6, but when I try
 to send it out to blow up to an 8x10, it crops way too much of the
 cover... How do I save or edit the pic as an 8x10 so that I do not
 loose my added graphics and artwork? Please help!  Any suggestions
 would be greatly appreciated!

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 Hello,

 I know, this might be a little bit too much for someone new to the
 program, but one of the better ways to do it would be installing and
 using the liquid rescale-plugin http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/
 (http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/).
 It will scale the image instead of cropping it, so there won't be
 anything cut or borders added in. But other than the normal scale-tool,
 it tries to detect important parts of the image (like faces or text) and
 keeps their proportion the same.
 Feel free to email me if you decide to do it this way and need some help.

 bw,
 Tobl

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error

[Daniel Smith]

Did you ever check the amount of storage left on the drive?
Do you have an updated antivirus software?/Infected?
Did you keep Windows updated?

The problem with older computers is there's a lot of stuff on them, over
a long period of time. Maybe it's a conflict with another program or hardware
that used C++ and now there's a conflict with Gimp?

Have you been able to install any other software other than Gimp since?

Not to be self inflating, but the thing about restoring the computer back
to a point previous to installing Gimp was I believe the best advice.
(I have had tons of used computers over the years and a thousand such
dilemmas. Sometimes the fallback position is best.)
Or as I said getting everything you need off the drive, and running the
factory restore discs that came with the computer? But then again, it'll
have to all be updated.
Then again, Vista's nothing to write home about. Win 7 much better.
Search Windows 7 upgrade on ebay and right now there are win 7 or 8
versions for like 30+ bucks. Seriously, I had Vista. It stunk.
But you have to look up your computer model and know whether it's
32 or 64 bit version.
Dan

On 11/14/12, Sleepingbeautiie for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 23:54 +0100, Sleepingbeautiie wrote:

Maybe you could write it down next time.
Do you have a working GIMP now?

2.7 was an unstable release - 2.8 likely has fewer bugs overall, but
there have been some problems reported on Microsoft Windows that
weren't
present on Linux, where the main development is done.

You should probably use either 2.6 or 2.8, not 2.7.

Liam

 2.6 isn't even working for me. It's giving me this stupid error report like
 the
 following: gimp-2.6.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close.

 So.. eh. Computer's probably just old.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error.

[Daniel Smith]

Wow, thanks to both (all) of you!
I'll have to taste the mint, so to speak.
I was running Ubuntu 11 till my latest machinicide.
I thought though when I installed it that Linux has come
incredibly far in ease of use since when I used to use it
back in the old Red Hat 4, 7 etc command line startup days.
Of course, I just did it with an ubuntu cd I bought off of ebay for 4 bucks.
So no size worries for me.
But I did notice when I was searching that error above, or different
combinations of its terms included, that it seemed cross-OS, that
different #s (gmem.c: 165, 135, etc)  of it occurred in various linux
and windows versions that people had reported bugs or complained of.
Except for, notably, on Macs. Don't know fer sure about that though.
On second search through it seemed a lot had to do with corrupted
or unmanageably large conversion files etc. crashing memory.
This is a very similar error:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/846389
Dan

On 11/4/12, Olivier oleca...@gmail.com wrote:
 2012/11/4 Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net


 Ubuntu 10 has worked great for me but alas, Canonical has gone the
 way of the dedicated touchscreen interface.  I will be bailing out
 when the version I am using reaches end of life next year.  Can't
 sit a very computer illiterate user in front of the Unity desktop,
 and expect them to figure it out and use it without problems.  Can't
 expect me to toss 20 years of reasonably efficient workflow habits
 out the window either...

 You don't need to do that. Using Ubuntu 12.04 with the look and feel of
 Ubuntu 10.04 is rather easy. Of course, it needs a little work, but nothing
 complicated. I'm using that on all my computers and on all the computers I
 manage. The major visible differences is that I cannot use any more the
 theme I liked (but probably still a little more work probably would do
 that, if it was so important), and the System global menu is now hidden in
 the Applications menu.

 I did not yet try version 12.10, and Ubuntu Gnome Remix 12.10 seems
 promising, but it uses Gnome 3, which some people consider as much
 offending as Unity...

 I have been very impressed with Mint - the other day I had occasion
 to use the Live DVD in conjunction with a printer/scanner on a
 random PC on a random office LAN, and the thing just worked all
 around.

 Mint is very pleasant and refreshing indeed, and I'll shift to it if
 combining Ubuntu 12.10 with Gnome 2 is impossible.


 Running an OS that works for not against the user is a very
 addictive thing.  Token on-topic reference:  The GIMP was the first
 major gateway drug that started me down the path to a 100% Free
 Software world.  Ubuntu stopped including the GIMP in its default
 installation package, and that's another strike against Canonical...
 sure it's stupidly easy to install, but dang it, GNU/Linux is
 supposed to include the GIMP right out of the box, is all!

 :o)


 The only problem, in my opinion, is that Ubuntu still insists on fitting on
 a CD instead of a DVD, for reasons I don't know.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error.

[Daniel Smith]

Seeing how you said it was running fine for a while...
how full is your hard drive?
I did a google search on gmem.c errors,
and it would seem a lot of them had to do with high
memory intensive operations being performed.
Here is one specific to gimp:
http://www.gimptalk.com/index.php?/topic/51518-glib-error/

and if you scroll to the bottom you see where they talk about
the amount of memory/cap allocated to gimp or system etc.

Here's one on the inflation of memory need in inkscape:
http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10253

But I was thinking if your disk is pretty near full maybe
there isn't enough room to create the swap space needed
or preset by your settings to start up gimp?
Just a thought.
Dan

On 11/2/12, Sleepingbeautiie for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
Sleepingbeautiie - for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
 On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:14:27 +0100, Sleepingbeautiie wrote:

 And, yeah - that stuff's basically gone away since I've re-installed
 it again, but now it says it has to do something with the GIMP
 shortcut in my bin folder, so I thought 'Oh, okay...' and clicked on
 the GIMP 2.8 icon for it to load from there.. but it gave me the same
 error, the one that I just mentioned, and it always has something to
 do with terminating in an unusual way, 'thanks' to Runtime. I'm
 looking through all my folders now, but there doesn't seem to be a
 problem.

 Is your Windows set to use 16-bit colour mode? There's a known problem
 with
 GTK+ if that's the case - change Windows to 32-bit colours.

 How do you do that? I mean, do I go to control panel? I really don't
 know what the problem is, but if it helps I use Windows Vista/desktop.

Yes; from Windows Vista Control Panel:
- from default view: Adjust screen resolution (under the Appearance
and Personalization section) or
- from classic view: Personalization then Display Settings

Either will bring up the Display Settings where you can set the colour
depth from the drop-down under Colors. If you have multiple monitors,
you might need to set it separately for each one.

After click Apply or OK to apply changes, you'll need to click Yes
before the timer expired when prompted for whether to keep the new
settings. If that seems a bit odd, there is a sensible reason - changing
display settings incorrectly can prevent anything from being displayed
at all, making it difficult to change them back, so if the screen does
go blank or scrambled you just need to wait 15 seconds for the timer to
expire and it should go back to how it was before.

Mark.

All right, thanks, I'll try that when I get the time; if it doesn't work,
 I'll come back and see if there's any other kinda solution.

 It didn't work. The first message I'm always receiving now is
 (gimp-2.8.exe:2408):GLiB-ERROR**: gmem.c: 165: failed to allocate 17660160
 bytes, and THEN it does the whole Windows Visual C++ Library thing. Any
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Re: [Gimp-user] Error.

[Daniel Smith]

I really have grown fond of avg's pc tuneup.
Normally I in the past didn't use such utilities, but I
tried (and paid!) for it once, and love it. Still use the
free avg antivirus though.
I would have recommended to upgrade to Win 7 and
wipe the whole drive. Never really liked Vista that much.
Seemed like only a little better than that old Longhorn
beta there was going around for a while.
But I would also just take at least a glance at the drive to
see how much free space there is on it.
Dan

On 11/3/12, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 11/03/2012 09:02 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:
 On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:22:52 -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

 I would run a registry cleaner

 Don't. Just don't. At best, they do nothing, and at worst they screw up
 the
 machine (had to fix too many machines that registry cleaners and
 optimizers left in unusable state).

 The first thing a registry cleaner does - if it's a decent one like
 the Wise cleaner - is back up the existing registry files to a
 location where they won't be overwritten during the OS-native
 registry backup rotation.  Then it conducts a scan and removes
 orphaned keys that point to non-existent files and directories,
 redundant keys, etc.  In some cases, I have seen processes that
 access the registry frequently, i.e. complex application start-up
 routines - run 2x faster after cleaning.  Usually the result is not
 quite that impressive.

 In a hypothetical worst case where damage is done by the cleaning
 process - something I have never seen happen in a few hundred
 practical cases - the saved registry can be restored with a single
 command and, in effect, nothing happened at all.  Any problems
 that need repair are the same ones that were there before the
 registry cleaner was tried.

 Progressive registry bloat is a feature, not a bug.  It makes a
 computer with a Microsoft operating system appear to be getting old
 and slowing down, which is a Good Thing if you are selling
 computers or operating systems.  Not so good if you are the user who
 owns the machine in question.

 The best repair for any Microsoft operating system is to replace it
 with an operating system that works, or, failing that, reinstall the
 one that came with the machine.  But sometimes that's not an option,
 alas.

 :o/

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error.

[Daniel Smith]

Because (left out) a Vista machine means it's probably about
five years old or so, meaning that it could possibly be filled, and
or replace the drive as well. It's gonna go sometime soon. Just thoughts.
And they're so cheap now.
Dan

On 11/3/12, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:
 I really have grown fond of avg's pc tuneup.
 Normally I in the past didn't use such utilities, but I
 tried (and paid!) for it once, and love it. Still use the
 free avg antivirus though.
 I would have recommended to upgrade to Win 7 and
 wipe the whole drive. Never really liked Vista that much.
 Seemed like only a little better than that old Longhorn
 beta there was going around for a while.
 But I would also just take at least a glance at the drive to
 see how much free space there is on it.
 Dan

 On 11/3/12, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 11/03/2012 09:02 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:
 On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:22:52 -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

 I would run a registry cleaner

 Don't. Just don't. At best, they do nothing, and at worst they screw up
 the
 machine (had to fix too many machines that registry cleaners and
 optimizers left in unusable state).

 The first thing a registry cleaner does - if it's a decent one like
 the Wise cleaner - is back up the existing registry files to a
 location where they won't be overwritten during the OS-native
 registry backup rotation.  Then it conducts a scan and removes
 orphaned keys that point to non-existent files and directories,
 redundant keys, etc.  In some cases, I have seen processes that
 access the registry frequently, i.e. complex application start-up
 routines - run 2x faster after cleaning.  Usually the result is not
 quite that impressive.

 In a hypothetical worst case where damage is done by the cleaning
 process - something I have never seen happen in a few hundred
 practical cases - the saved registry can be restored with a single
 command and, in effect, nothing happened at all.  Any problems
 that need repair are the same ones that were there before the
 registry cleaner was tried.

 Progressive registry bloat is a feature, not a bug.  It makes a
 computer with a Microsoft operating system appear to be getting old
 and slowing down, which is a Good Thing if you are selling
 computers or operating systems.  Not so good if you are the user who
 owns the machine in question.

 The best repair for any Microsoft operating system is to replace it
 with an operating system that works, or, failing that, reinstall the
 one that came with the machine.  But sometimes that's not an option,
 alas.

 :o/

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Re: [Gimp-user] trial fit new colours on car picture

[Daniel Smith]

saving also...
:)
thanks
dan

On 10/24/12, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 10/24/2012 01:44 PM, Jim Clark wrote:
 Wow--

 I will save this. Incredibly clear and detailed--I have never rally
 understood those masks. Still don't, but am sure closer!

 Hey Jim,

 Glad it makes sense to you!  I have saved it and I will probably do
 an illustrated version for my website sometime soon.

 Figuring out how to use layer masks is one of the real
 breakthroughs that make the GIMP a powerful tool.  I have been
 using the GIMP for around 10 years, but I still remember how
 difficult it was for me to wrap my brain around what masks can do.

 You can:

 * Make templates that enable you to quickly and easily create lots
 of different versions of an image, i.e. with different colorization
 as in the present example, or as frames that smaller images will
 appear in, etc.

 * Remove part of a layer, spend a half hour working on the image,
 then undo an error you just found in your removal by painting a
 little white on the corresponding part of the layer's mask.  I
 almost never use the Eraser tool - if you have to go back and undo
 it, you lose all the work you did after using the Eraser.

 * You can paint with any filter by applying filters and effects to
 a copied layer, adding a black mask to make the altered layer
 vanish, then painting the mask with white to make the changes come
 back only where you want them in the visible image.  (Or vice versa:
  Paint black on a white mask to wipe away the filter effect where
 you don't want to see it.)  I find this method especially useful
 when working on portrait shots.

 * Isolate under-exposed elements from over-exposed elements in
 photographs, by making a layer copy and masking out the under-
 exposed part of the top layer.  Then you can adjust the brightness
 and colors of the bright and dark parts of the picture separately.
 If the contrast between over- and under-exposed areas is strong
 enough, you can use the Threshold tool on a throw-away layer to
 create a nearly perfect mask in seconds, that would have taken a
 LONG time to paint by hand - some call this finding the natural mask.

 * Use a black/white gradient on a layer mask to give the layer a
 smooth transition from visible to invisible.  This sometimes comes
 in handy when processing flash photographs, i.e. a line of people on
 a stage where those at the near end are fully exposed and those at
 the far end are under-exposed.

 ... and a whole lot more.

 :o)

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Re: [Gimp-user] background question

[Daniel Smith]

the best way i can think of would be to put a backing on the paper,
not to affix it but just lay it behind the newspaper, when you scan it
so the light doesn't emanate the paper so you don't see the other
side?
just my 2...
dan

On 10/25/12, Chrispy for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
 Hi

 I am trying to remove the background of an image I have scanned of a
 Newspaper.
 The paper was thin and the back side of the paper is visible on the image.
 Is there an easy way to remove this?

 The reverse image is also visible over the main image I am looking at (the
 image is a News Headline, not a Picture.

 Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 All the best

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Re: [Gimp-user] Creating of metal textures?

[Daniel Smith]

can i just ask what 3d software you're using?
daniel

On 10/17/12, Alfhak712 for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
 I am new to GIMP and to the forum. I am in the learning curve and also read
 an excellent book Beginning GIMP by Akkana Peck!

 I am working on a 3D object (a bus) and want to add a deep metal color on
 it!
 I don't know how to make a texture so I get that nice metal color! I am
 going to paint the bus red and some other color but I get lost in all
 effects etc!
 I would like someone to give me advice how I continue after adding a red
 color on the texture so I get it to look like a nice deep metal color!

 Thank you!

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Re: [Gimp-user] Photo Restoration

[Daniel Smith]

Also if you post the photo somewhere like flickr or google picasa
maybe we can get an idea what the restoration might need.
Unfortunately, a lot of that type of stuff can come down to doing it
by hand (mouse), so be prepared to learn the various replication
tools. Great experience though. By the time you're done you'll be a
gimp expert.

On 9/23/12, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 09/23/2012 07:45 AM, Lorgach wrote:
 Hi All,
 I'm a relative newbie at using Gimp or any Photo Editing software but I
 have tried out some adjustments on photos using Gimp and am happy with the
 results.
 I have recently been asked if I could try to restore an old black and
 white photo that is in quite bad shape, full of bends, scratches and is
 also very grainy.
 I have looked through the Tutorials and also done searches on here to try
 and find something that would assist me in carrying out this project but
 there doesn’t seem to be anything that I can find that would help me.
 I would be grateful if someone on the Forum could point me in the right
 direction if some quicker/slicker techniques I could use other that using
 the Cloning and Healing brushes as I have tried this and it’s extremely
 laborious.

 Thanks,
 Jim

 Hey Jim,

 The Colors and Grain script might be very helpful:

 http://registry.gimp.org/node/25148

 If you download the script and put it in the scripts directory of
 your GIMP installation (location varies with operating systems), it
 will appear in the GIMP menu at:  Filters  Leon  Grain-Colors

 How to use this script to remove common photo damage, per the
 plugin's author (scroll down for English):

 http://tinyurl.com/blpcx7s

 This video tutorial on retouching skin explains how to set up the
 grain and color layers by hand without the script:

 http://tinyurl.com/9pszk5s

 An alternate method using the same general principles:

 http://www.gimptalk.com/index.php?showtopic=28265

 :o)

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Re: [Gimp-user] how to exposing more tiff load options for scripting

[Daniel Smith]

I don't exactly get what you mean by 200 page tiffs?
You mean one continuous image that takes 200 pages worth of sub-images?
But anyways, are you using the batch mode? I've never done it but I
understand there
are a lot of options there from non-interactive command line mode?
http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=gimp+scripting+options+command+lineie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8
Dan

On 8/18/12, Burnie West w...@ieee.org wrote:
 On 08/18/2012 02:08 PM, Tim Dickson wrote:
 I am trying to load single pages from multipage tiffs, convert them to
 monochrome (dithered), flatten the image, then save them as single
 monochrome,
 ccitt group4 tiffs. - all through scripts.

 The multipage tiffs contain pages in grayscale and colour which were
 created
 using the old style (problematic) jpeg compression option.

 I have tried other tools, such as libtiff (modified with a patch to handle
 the
 old jpeg compression), and the latest version of imagemajick.
 Unfortunately
 they cannot correctly convert the files, whereas gimp can, but only one
 page
 of the multi-page tiff at a time
 (gimp crashes if I load a 5page document (as separate images) then convert

 each image to monochrome,flatten and save in one session)
 Are you using a developmental version (2.9 --)? If not, the crash itself
 warrants a bug report.

 the scripting function for loading tiffs
 file-tiff-load
 does not expose the options to load individual pages, or to select loading
 as
 images or as layers, which the visual file load/import does.

 does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can achieve this using a
 script.?
 manually is not a problem, but too time consuming for large (eg. 200page)
 tiffs.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Layers in reverse

[Daniel Smith]

I think she's talking about something like this in p-shop, saving the
psd plus flattened image:
http://www.laughing-lion-design.com/2007/09/photoshop-tip-create-a-flattened-layer-and-keep-all-your-layers-intact/
Dan

On 8/13/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:

 Actually I think when opening PDFs with layer information Photoshop
 does allow it. PDFs aren't 'images' of course.

 AFAIK, no. Illustrator is capable of that, but Photoshop isn't.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

[Daniel Smith]

Thanks so much, Aditia. That's awesome stuff.
The last I was involved with such things was when I ran
Lightwave on a Dec Alpha machine, way back when Star
Trek Next Generation was animated by Industrial Light
and Magic.
What general part of the world do you live in?
Just wondering.
Have a great day/night, all.
Dan

On 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama ibnu.h...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Daniel,

 Yes, the latest open movie project by blender foundation known as mango
 project or Tears of Steel will about to release by the next couple of
 week.

 You can follow their progress in their official website
 http://mango.blender.org or http://tearsofsteel.com.

 Most of vfx movies nowadays always using such an fx. Like a fancy
 lensflare, color grading stuff, etc.

 Yes, I run tutorial website in http://fossgrafis.com I keep my shot update
 via youtube http://youtube.com/user/aditpratama1

 My internet connection very limited, but I'll try my best to post my
 progress.

 No problem Daniel, it's a pleasure to get in touch with FOSS community :)
 On Aug 13, 2012 8:20 PM, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:

 Aditia,
 Very interesting.
 So you're saying they already use blender for movie effects?
 In production anywhere?
 Can you give an example of movies that have used such effects?
 Are you keeping a blog or screen shots of your process?
 Can we see it when you're done?
 Thanks a lot, and sorry for all the questions...
 Dan Smith
 Houston

 On 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama ibnu.h...@gmail.com wrote:
  OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.
 
  But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D
  On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
  alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
 
   2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the
 first
  time
   you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no
   button
  for
   select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
 
  Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press
  and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make
  that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable
  visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click
  eye icon for the only visibly layer.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

[Daniel Smith]

Aditia,
Indonesia. Man, the power of the internet.
Wonderful.
Just my two cents, you probably already know, but it looks
like the Lightworks is almost ready for Ubuntu:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTEyMjE
God, I remember the days of like Mac 8500 being state of the art.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_8500
What you could do now with an i5 or i7 chip and that Lightworks.
Amazing.
Dan

On 8/13/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:

 At that time I also looking for best vfx stuff which run under linux, I
 found out that there's ramenfx but I dunno the progress up until now.

 Ramen has a slightly frightening story.

 The project started as free software, but the developer failed to
 attract new developers and moved to a closed source strategy, while
 rewriting internals of the application. This didn't work all the well
 either.

 After a while his interests changed, and he stopped working on the project.

 Since recently he's working on Ramen 2 which seems to be a free
 software project again (at least, the code is available on Github),
 and he's rewriting things once again.

 IMHO, this is going to be an on-and-off activity until some kind of
 team gets organized. Being a one-man band is not very sustainable.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Why I went back from GIMP 2.8 to 2.6.x

[Daniel Smith]

Can't we all get along?
http://abcnews.go.com/meta/search/imageDetail?format=plainsource=http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ap_obit_rodney_king_swimming_pool_jt_120617
Thanks,
Dan

On 6/30/12, Francesco Scaglioni f...@mossdog.net wrote:
 Hi,

 I seem to be in a minority opinion on this list. For my workflow the new
 behaviour is great. Raw to GIMP, work on image for a bit, saves as xcf, come
 back another time, do more work on xcf and when finally happy export to
 jpeg. If I wanted bulk raw to jpeg then I would simply do all adjustments
 necessary in either rawstudio or darktable. For those special images a
 default save to xcf suits me absolutely fine.

 Just my 2d worth.


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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP corrupted photo now unable to open! PLEASE HELP!!!

[Daniel Smith]

Just a thought, that I don't think anybody's suggested yet,
is what operating system are you using?
I mean I know you said you did a lot of work on it before
you took it into Gimp, so perhaps you have still a version of
it that is pre-Gimp somewhere else, CD USB etc, or better
yet, might be able to access a backup point on Win 7 or Time
Machine etc on Mac to go back to a previous version?
I've never even set up . Machine on mine, but I see it is
available, and I have used restore points on Windows 7, which
actually worked amazingly well...
Just a thought.
Dan

On 6/17/12, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
 On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 11:45 -0700, Angela D wrote:
 I spent a lot of time editing this photo and when I uploaded it into
 gimp to further edit and attempted to save, it would not.


 Note for the future - use Save to save a copy in xcf or xcf.gz format if
 you will be working on it again. If there is only one layer then save in
 png so other programs can open it. Then, use File-export (or in gimp
 2.6 or before, file-save) to save a snapshot in jpg, e.g. for the Web.

 Second note - if there are error messages when you save, make sure the
 saved file is OK before quitting - this is try with any program, not
 only GIMP.

 I've lost a lot of work when the power went out in an unexpected storm,
 and been frustrated too, so I do know how it feels.


 My guess is that your disk is full, or you ran out of memory, because
 there's no image in the file you sent.  It's possible it was a bug in
 gimp, but without knowing exactly what you mean by I uploaded it into
 gimp to further edit and attempted to save, it would not we can't be
 sure.  For example, how exactly did gimp refuse to save? Was there no
 save menu item? Was Save there but when you tried you got a message
 saying it didn't work? What message exactly? There are more than a
 thousand possible messages you could have got, many not from gimp but
 from your computer or your network, and if there _is_ a bug it's not
 going to be possible to fix it without knowing that. Otherwise you might
 as well say my car is doing something wrong and won't go and now we had
 to stop in Bognor Regis overnight so you must tell me what is wrong with
 my car - the mechanic will want to know if it has fuel, if there are
 warning lights, and if it stopped before or after it hit the brick
 wall :-) :-)

 Best,

 Liam

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Re: [Gimp-user] The Book of GIMP

[Daniel Smith]

Nice font.
Rammetto?
Dan

On 5/31/12, Olivier oleca...@gmail.com wrote:
 Although The Book of GIMP will be published by No Starch only at the
 end of August, its companion website is already available:

 http://the-book-of-gimp.org

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Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom pens with rotation supported ?

[Daniel Smith]

Since we're on this topic, does anyone have any recommendations
for good artpad/pen sets to buy? Used, good price, etc?
I have an old Wacom/Intuos1 pad, and have lost it's pen, and
was thinking about finding a replacement, but on second thought
I figured it's probably a waste of time and should look for a newer
set that can make use of newer features?
Thanks.
Dan

On 5/14/12, Gwenouille for...@gimpusers.com wrote:

It's used for this one too.

Your link does not work for me, but I know the Art Pen. I'm using it
with the Wheel parameter.

 OK, thanks Olivier, that's great news !


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Re: [Gimp-user] QUESTION OF ETHICS

[Daniel Smith]

Well, I looked at some of the auctions of Gimp there, and one was for 99 cents,
others for like 4 bucks highest i saw was 20 dollars. Some of these
sales are packages including open office, etc. It's basically the
price to get a version burned to a cd. It's like when I wanted to
install Ubuntu, eventually I figured out how to download and burn a
disk image, but in the meantime I had to buy a burner for 33 bucks.
But back when I didn't have a burner or didn't readily know how to
burn it I bought a Ubuntu disk for 4 dollars, well worth the cost.
Dan

On 5/10/12, Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com wrote:
 On 05/10/2012 04:26 PM, Russ Marshall wrote:
 Can anyone explain to me why GIMP allows their “FREE” software to be
 SOLD on eBay? There are those of us
 who have been cheated by sellers who, when you win the auction send you
 the URL for GIMP web page where
 you may download it for free
 I have complained to eBay but they will not do anything about it.
 RUSS MARSHALL


 Russ,

 Gimp developers do not allow or not allow sales.  The Gimp license
 does not prevent such activity.  That is part of the whole open-source
 software world, it is not related only to Gimp.

 No, such activity is not honorable -- if the seller has not added any
 value to transaction, but since it is not a disallowed activity, it is
 not illegal.  Whether it is ethical or not is a decision above my pay
 grade.  I don't like it, but even vultures and possums have their role
 in the world.

 However... I believe strongly -- and I do apply this thinking to myself
 as well -- that one should first look to oneself before deciding to
 blame others.  Did you know that you were buying Gimp?  Did you know
 what you were going to be receiving?  If you did know that you were
 buying Gimp, did you research it (doing a simple Google search would
 have told you everything) before bidding on it.  Or, if you did not know
 what product you were buying, why did you bid on it?  All these types of
 questions should perhaps be considered before blaming everybody else.

 If you were not previously aware of Gimp and you did not do any research
 to find Gimp (or other free / open-source software), then perhaps the
 eBay seller did actually provide some value for the price they charged
 -- in a devious kind of way, they have introduced you to the wonderful
 world of Gimp.  If Gimp cost $200 or $500, it would still be worth it to
 _many_ people, myself included.

 So, perhaps this is just a life lesson:  Know exactly what you are
 bidding on, research alternative sources before bidding, etc., etc.

 By the way, there is a huge and wonderful world of free / open-source
 software around there.  Explore that world and you will find a lot of
 great, free programs you had no idea existed.

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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel Smith]

I didn't mean for Gimp proper to offer different versions
or make it part of the program in preferences etc.
I meant where are the files that determine what the dialog
boxes and menus say, and where exporting and/or saving
are accomplished to? It can't be that hard, you're just talking
about meta files or something, right?
Dan

On 5/5/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Daniel Smith wrote:
 Is it really that complicated to change the menus
 and dialog boxes or the existence of them based
 around user preferences?
 Is there a link anywhere to how it's written?
 I can guarantee you that when I worked in a big
 graphics house they'd find a way to alter them.

 Well, adding options that change behavior of an application always has
 some consequences.

 1) The code gets messier, especially if you keep adding things on top.
 E.g. think of the proposed solution for native CMYK separation -- it
 is supposed to benefit from the new model where the internal data is
 32bit float linear RGB, and everything else is exporting material
 that's being worked on in a separate projection.

 2) Documentation and tutorials become confusing.

 That's just off top of my head.

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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel Smith]

So 2.8 saves the history as well?
Just wondering. On a Mac and still
looking...Course'n, it's a ppc mac so it probably
won't work even when they do offer...
Thanks.
Dan

On 5/4/12, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 It certainly is not intuitive. The operation should be symmetrical: If I
 open a PNG, save should save a PNG (unless I applied changes which would
 disappear if saved as a PNG, in which case I'd like a warning).

 And that's the point, GETTING rid of the damn warnings!  For me, every
 single
 time I edit/create a jpeg/png file, this just goes to slow things WAY down.
 One
 dialog for export/ignore/cancel + if this is the first save, an additional
 one
 to set the quality.  The change fixes that by forcing me to be be
 explicit(ie, I want to export).

 Also, one slip of the finger in 2.6(Ignore instead of export) on that damned

 dialog box and low an behold all of my layer work is GONE, PERMANENTLY,
 FOREVER  Now my nice workflow where I do lots of non destructive
 editing
 is for naught because I hit the wrong damn button.   The goal here is to be
 damn
 sure that this type of silliness does not happen anymore by making you be
 explicit
 in your workflow.  I know dozens of people who have lost tens or even
 hundreds of layers in a second by a mis-key and this change will totally
 prevent
 them from loosing work at the cost of some people having to adapt to change
 and
 spend and extra 2-4 seconds per image.

 Do you really think your few extra seconds are more important than possibly
 hours
 worth of work by people who use the features of GIMP that take it far beyond

 a simple photo editor?   BTW, I am high functioning autism, so I do not
 adapt to
 change well myself, but IMHO, this is a good change mainly because I have
 been
 burned by this exact problem before.
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel Smith]

Can I just ask Alexander Prokoudinea question then, since he's obviously
very tied to the project intimately?
Can I ask if this decision to go to export vs. save, is it somewhat based
around needs of people running gimp without the interface, as a server
component?
Just wondering.
Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Convert PS USM settings to Gimp

[Daniel Smith]

Sven,
Yes I haven't found any direct conversions yet, but in the meantime
here is a page that is a great article in that the guy compares how to
use USM in Gimp, Photoshop, and ImageMagick, which I only came
across lately via Linux and mobile development research I was doing:

http://redskiesatnight.com/2005/04/06/sharpening-using-image-magick/

That's a good one. I was going to write to him and ask him something
about his site, but I'll also ask about the usm conversion.

Dan

On 4/27/12, Autoart for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
Thanks for the links Dan they are great sources. But none of them really
tells me about the relation between PS and GIMP USM settings. Myself, I
usally set radius 10 , amount 0.5 and threshold to 4 and play with the
values around those defaults a bit until I am happy, but it would be
interesting to see if someone actually knew the relation between PS and
 GIMP USM.

 I have never used/seen Photoshop so don't know the ratios between PS and
 GIMP USM.

 What are the ranges for Photoshop ie Gimp's are
 Radius   0.1-120
 Amount  0-10.00
 Threshold   0-255

 Once we have this then we can convert the PS settings and see if they look
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Re: [Gimp-user] Convert PS USM settings to Gimp

[Daniel Smith]

there are some great pages out there on this.
thanks for making me look for them.
feels like i'm back in graphics...
:)
http://www.brighthub.com/multimedia/photography/articles/15080.aspx
http://www.tankedup-imaging.com/unsharp.html
http://gimpguru.org/tutorials/smartsharpening/
http://registry.gimp.org/node/25326
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=686542
ok:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/GIMP/Unsharp_Mask
dan

On 4/26/12, Sven Tryding s...@tryding.se wrote:
 I would also like to understand the Unsharp Mask settings. I have never used

 photoshop but I can't imagine that e.g. the settings Amount 85% Radius:1
 Threshold:4 would turn out the same in photoshop as they will do in Gimp
 (i.e the result of the image after having used USM with the same settings).
 So if anyone on this list dare to give a rough translation between photoshop

 USM settings and GIMP USM settings I would be happy as well.

 Sven


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 Subject: [Gimp-user] Convert PS USM settings to Gimp

 Hi
 Can anybody convert the following Photoshop USM settings to Gimp? I want to

 use them in David's Batch Processor.

 Amount: 85%
 Radius: 1
 Threshold: 4

 Thanks

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Re: [Gimp-user] How can I create huge billboard sized files in super high dpi?

[Daniel Smith]

Well, I got it to work, at least theoretically.
I think it's in the same way that you would create a large image in
Photoshop, but to test it I opened an image that I already had that was
72 d[i and about 35 inches wide, an old pic of my cat.

With ImageScale Image I bumped up the resolution, then with
ImageCanvas Size I bumped up the size, in this case to 58X72 inches.
The thing is to play with the chain link icons in these boxes, if you try
to change the resolution then all it will do is inverse the size if you don't
unlink them. (Of course, I'd like to hear from any of the experts on this list.
I'm just a graphics hack.

By the way, have you ever made an image this large before? Even at 58X72
at 1400 dpi with color that's going to be a monstrous file. My machine went for
minutes and hadn't finished resizing it so I exited. Of course on this
Mac I only have
one gig of ram at present, but I don't know if any computer could
handle an 80 yard
file, Photoshop or Gimp. You'd better have a lot of cpu, ram, and
extra hd space,
swap file space.

Do you have any links or examples of fabric you've created? I've always been
interested in that.

Waiting for real the advice...
Dan

On 4/24/12, Tara Gover taraje...@mail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

  I am printing super high res images onto fabric. My print guy has
 instructed me to create my images in 1440 dpi and my fabric is 58 inches
 wide and about 80 yards long. I need to create ONE image so they can just
 print it continuously along the whoe piece of fabric. So I need to create a
 REALLY BIG image. They have recommended Adobe Creative Suite, but of course
 I want to do it with GIMP.

  Just today, I installed the latest GIMP, and it doesn't seem to be letting
 me create even a 58x72 inch image in 1440 dpi. Is there an add on or a way
 that I can create huge tiff files in GIMP?.or do I have to shell out the
 cash and get Creative Suite?


  Thanks!

  Tara

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[Daniel Smith]

The thing is, in what format does the company ask for you to contribute
your work in? I know Photoshop used to have the ability to export to vectors
even a long time ago, and certainly Illustrator I am assuming is still a part of
Adobe CS, but if you can use vectors you can start or work with a bitmap or
photo etc, and edit in gimp, however you begin the images, then
convert to vector.

I did a search for Exporting from Gimp to vectors and it came up with some
pretty interesting stuff, especially the svg stuff.

http://registry.gimp.org/node/15375

Dan

On 4/25/12, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, I got it to work, at least theoretically.
 I think it's in the same way that you would create a large image in
 Photoshop, but to test it I opened an image that I already had that was
 72 d[i and about 35 inches wide, an old pic of my cat.

 With ImageScale Image I bumped up the resolution, then with
 ImageCanvas Size I bumped up the size, in this case to 58X72 inches.
 The thing is to play with the chain link icons in these boxes, if you try
 to change the resolution then all it will do is inverse the size if you
 don't
 unlink them. (Of course, I'd like to hear from any of the experts on this
 list.
 I'm just a graphics hack.

 By the way, have you ever made an image this large before? Even at 58X72
 at 1400 dpi with color that's going to be a monstrous file. My machine went
 for
 minutes and hadn't finished resizing it so I exited. Of course on this
 Mac I only have
 one gig of ram at present, but I don't know if any computer could
 handle an 80 yard
 file, Photoshop or Gimp. You'd better have a lot of cpu, ram, and
 extra hd space,
 swap file space.

 Do you have any links or examples of fabric you've created? I've always
 been
 interested in that.

 Waiting for real the advice...
 Dan

 On 4/24/12, Tara Gover taraje...@mail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

  I am printing super high res images onto fabric. My print guy has
 instructed me to create my images in 1440 dpi and my fabric is 58 inches
 wide and about 80 yards long. I need to create ONE image so they can just
 print it continuously along the whoe piece of fabric. So I need to create
 a
 REALLY BIG image. They have recommended Adobe Creative Suite, but of
 course
 I want to do it with GIMP.

  Just today, I installed the latest GIMP, and it doesn't seem to be
 letting
 me create even a 58x72 inch image in 1440 dpi. Is there an add on or a
 way
 that I can create huge tiff files in GIMP?.or do I have to shell out
 the
 cash and get Creative Suite?


  Thanks!

  Tara


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Re: [Gimp-user] How can I create huge billboard sized files in super high dpi?

[Daniel Smith]

So, the 144 would be basically twice the web resolutio of 72 to make
for better resampling on resize, or no relation?
Dan

On 4/25/12, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
 On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 21:44 -0400, Tara Gover wrote:
 Hi guys,

  I am printing super high res images onto fabric. My print guy has
 instructed me to create my images in 1440 dpi

 I think he meant 144 dpi, which is a common resolution used for colour
 images in print.

 If the thread count of the fabric is 200 or higher (e.g. a high-end
 sheet or a silk shirt) it'd plausibly take twice the thread count or
 more, but I'd say try a sample at 144dpi.

 Liam

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Re: [Gimp-user] Review: The Artists Guide to GIMP, 2nd edition

[Daniel Smith]

and, I am amazed to see all the gimp books on amazon!
didn't even know.
thnkx
dan

On 4/23/12, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for all the references (and any
 others that still may show). Just for
 archive/reference, I was going to mention
 the Packt book they have on Gimp, but a
 search there showed two others that use
 Gimp for architecture or with Blender:
 http://www.packtpub.com/books/all?keys=gimp
 Thanks again.
 Dan

 On 4/23/12, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer unham...@fsfe.org wrote:
 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com writes:

 On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Daniel Smith wrote:
 While we're on this topic, can anyone mention
 any other best Gimp books they might know of?
 (Not to detract from the ones mentioned already,
 but I am already planning on getting them and
 would like to know any others.) Gotta get up to
 speed with any advanced techniques I can find.
 I've often found these books give a great quick
 method into areas of the programs you might
 overlook.

 There are very few books on GIMP that cover advanced techniques. Sad but
 true.

 If you have a good colour printer I guess you could print out
 http://blog.patdavid.net/p/getting-around-in-gimp.html
 =P


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Re: [Gimp-user] Review: The Artists Guide to GIMP, 2nd edition

[Daniel Smith]

While we're on this topic, can anyone mention
any other best Gimp books they might know of?
(Not to detract from the ones mentioned already,
but I am already planning on getting them and
would like to know any others.) Gotta get up to
speed with any advanced techniques I can find.
I've often found these books give a great quick
method into areas of the programs you might
overlook.
Thanks
Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Switching to Mac, any advice?

[Daniel Smith]

Kevin, you just had to throw it in about Linux, didn't you...
:)
I totally agree with you though.
I actually used to run Ubuntu with Gimp on that, and loved it.
But I come from long graphics experience, and wish to use many
of the other programs, video, audio etc that run on macs.
But thanks for the help. I love this list, btw. Lots of very nice,
smart and helpful people here.
Daniel
Houston

On 3/5/12, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer unham...@fsfe.org wrote:
 Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi all.
 I'm switching from Gimp on Windows to a Mac.
 (It's an older one, a G5 tower with Leopard only,
 but it's nice to be back on a Mac again.)
 Before I just download and install without
 thinking, I thought I might ask anyone for
 advice they might give for the best install for mac,
 or perhaps any packages on mac that are better
 or features not available on Windows, etc?
 Thanks for any ideas.
 Daniel

 Last time I used a Mac, the GIMP on OS X link from
 http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/ seemed like the most user-friendly option
 to me. Leopard and newer have X11 included, so it's only the one
 download, and http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Photo_editing.html says
 Resynthesizer etc. is included, so you get lots of plugins that you'd
 have to download and install one by one on Windows[1].

 If you want the 2.7 beta, I guess you'll have to compile / use MacPorts.


 -Kevin


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Re: [Gimp-user] Web development question?

[Daniel Smith]

Wow, thank you all so much for the helpful,
detailed responses. What a nice body of background
for me to work from. I worked for a long time in Photoshop
for print, but not web stuff.
Thanks again. I love this gimp list...
Have a great week and weekend.
Dan
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[Gimp-user] Web development question?

[Daniel Smith]

Hey all. I would hope this might get some responses...

I just today saved my first png file.
In doing so Gimp came up with a choice box, as to parameters you can choose
or not:

Interlacing (Adam7) (whatever that is)
Save background color
Save gamma
Save layer offset
Save resolution
Save creation time

Can anyone tell me which of these options they use?
What does Adam7 mean?

I am looking to create some web pages with drupal.
Can anyone tell me their process they use to do
a similar goal? (With drupal or WP, etc.) What I'm thinking
is that certain of the settings are compatible or not with
the blogging engine or not? do you use png or jpeg?, etc.

Just wondering. Trying to get up to speed.

Thanks so much.

Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Use GIMP for commercial / business purposes?

[Daniel Smith]

Have there been lawsuits or fines regarding open source
cases though? It's funny, for all the times I've heard of for
example Microsoft or Adobe or whoever being involved in these
evaluations of businesses where they check for licenses etc,
and massive levies afterward, (whether the stories were real
or created) I've never heard of any open source lawsuits or snares.
Just wondering what you meant by testing your luck.
Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Use GIMP for commercial / business purposes?

[Daniel Smith]

thanks all.
dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Use GIMP for commercial / business purposes?

[Daniel Smith]

But what about fonts?
I assume that all fonts would have to be registered,
or how do you work that?
Just wondering.
Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?

[Daniel Smith]

Well I'm glad I asked.
Thanks for all the great info and answers.
But one thing I forgot to mention in my first big spiel,
(I'm very new to Gimp so am just trying to get the capabilities of it)
is, whether anyone knows of has personal experience using Gimp
for incorporation with video editing or like After Effects, work like
that? Just wondering. I see some pages on that, but thought
since you all have so much experience with it...
Thanks again for all the help,
Dan

On 12/31/11, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote:

 In message
 CAL8n2zMck+rVT-xF=6k621a6iyzfoczmjvprvrbun-gffb_...@mail.gmail.com
 , Frank Gore g...@friendlyphotozone.com wrote:

http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/373

I've used Digikam for my photo collections for years.

 Hey!  Thanks a bunch!  I didn't know about that one at all.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?

[Daniel Smith]

To all early New Years partiers...
Just to be clear, though it's funny,
I didn't mean using gimp ON mobile
devices, I meant using gimp to develop
FOR mobile devices. Now reread those
links I sent, rethink, repost.
Thanks
Dan

On 12/31/11, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Daniel Smith wrote:

 or has anyone heard of using/modifying Gimp for  mobile dev purposes?

 It doesn't make a terrible lot of sense :)

 Alexandre Prokoudine
 http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] Huge library of public domain photos from NOAA

[Daniel Smith]

That's a great resource, Steve!
Here's a few others that I know of,
on Mark Pilgrim's credits for his
html5 book.
http://diveintohtml5.info/about.html
Dan

On 12/30/11, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 Greetings,

 I was just looking at sunsets through the eyes of other people,
 living and dead, when I ran across this:

 http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/index.html

 A huge collection of high quality images, including all the sky you
 could want and much else besides.  All these images are in the
 public domain courtesy of Uncle Sam.

 :o)

 Steve
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Re: [Gimp-user] Need help repairing image

[Daniel Smith]

wow, this turned into the most useful thread
to teach me a lot about GIMP. I would'a used
the program for a few years and wouldn't have
known what you told us. Now to go back to first
email and try it all out.
Thanks Steve.
Dan

On 12/28/11, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 12/27/2011 09:28 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

 [ ...a whole bunch of stuff that I mostly left out of this reply, and:]

 I just don't know how to look at two or more layers on my screen
 all at once, you in separate display windows.  [...] I would feel
 more comfortable if I could see the thing I am cloning from _and_
 the thing I am cloning to, all at once, in two windows on the same
 screen...

 In the Layers dialog, click and drag the layer that will be your
 source for cloning onto the button field on your main toolbox.
 Boom, a new image opens that IS that layer, only.  Select your
 cloning origin normally by ctrl-clicking on the new image, go to the
 original image window and start painting with copied pixels.  Done?
 Select the temporary window and close it.

 P.S.  How does one just simply merge two images?  I'd really like
 to see what my img001-inverted.jpg and img001-inverted2.jpg would
 look like if they were smashed together.  (And actually, maybe the
 combination of those two is the thing that I really want to be
 cloning from.)

 Put the two images on two layers, and whichever is on top, dial back
 that layer's opacity some via the slider in the Layers dialog in the
 dock where it lives.  If you end up looking at a finished image you
 like but needs some more work, do copy visible (a.k.a.
 ctrl+shift+c) and paste (a.k.a. ctrl-v), click the new layer
 button to make the floating selection a real layer, and what you
 saw is what you get as a single layer - without destroying the
 layers you were blending together.

 Note that you can do filters and corrections on a copy of a layer,
 overdo it a bit on purpose, then adjust the opacity of the altered
 layer to dial back the effect on the finished image until it looks
 just right.

 You can also apply a filter that you only want to use here and
 there on an image to a whole duplicate layer, add a black layer
 mask to it, select the black mask, and start to paint on the image
 with white.  This amounts to painting with the filter you applied,
 just as and where you want it to be applied.  Overshot your mark?
 Try painting over the excess white with black, to sharpen the
 corners or make the edges go exactly where you want.  Undo is one
 black brush stroke away no matter how many steps back the error in
 applying the filter to the image was made.

 kind-of reminds me of my old days, 40 years ago, back in the
 darkroom when I used to play around with solarizing prints.
 What fun!

 Yup, I loves me some electric darkroom action. Not to mention the
 bargain price for all that electric film!

 :o)

 Steve

 P.S. I should not do this, because you might have too much fun:

 http://registry.gimp.org/node/13469

 Download the version for your OS, extract it from the archive, and
 drop it into the plug-ins directory wherever your GIMP program files
 live.  Then start the GIMP, open some image or other, and go to
 Filters  G'MIC...  280 filters, nice big preview pane, expect
 multiple OMFG moments.

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Re: [Gimp-user] OT: Was: Gimp name-picking

[Daniel Smith]

Steve, if you don't mind, what kind of work do you do?
Just wondering, you can reply off list if you'd rather,
or on.
Thanks
Dan

On 12/28/11, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 12/28/2011 11:02 AM, Daniel Smith wrote:
 It's just funny! It's a play on the idea that it's the
 not-quite-capable version of Photoshop.
 At least they didn't name it SIMP!

 That IS funny.  I started using the GIMP when Tor Lillqvist ported
 it to Windows many long years ago.  At that time, it was
 not-quite-capable in two senses:  It had WAY fewer useful tools and
 functions than it does today, and it tended to crash a LOT on the OS
 in question.  But I kept it and have been using it ever since.

 Warning:  I have not been on this list long enough to know whether
 what follows might start a pointless debate or even a flame war.  It
 would be very naive to think that Adobe does not have a PR
 contractor monitoring this list, armed with focus group tested
 talking points.  So please put on your asbestos gloves...

 On a couple of occasions I tried Photoshop:  Installed the thing,
 bookmarked a bunch of tutorials and how-to docs, checked out
 textbooks from the library, etc.  And on these occasions I have
 found no reason to prefer the Adobe beast.  The largest differences
 I saw were an inherently awkward interface paradigm and slower
 workflow.  A lot of familiar tools seemed to be missing.  The price
 tag was the least important factor weighing against Photoshop IMO.

 Maybe getting used to the GIMP ruined me for life.  Maybe all the
 tutorials, howto docs, and manuals I found for Photoshop suck.
 Maybe forcing myself to use nothing but Photoshop for a few weeks at
 a time was not a fair trial of the product.  But my working
 hypothesis is that Photoshop is a not-quite-AS-capable version of
 the GIMP.

 Millions of dollars have been spent to make photoshop a verb.  But
 the days when sneering, condescending print shop sales reps refused
 to take any work not submitted in PSD format are over - I watched
 that change happen between about 2005 and 2007 in my local area.
 And from what I have seen IRL in the last couple of years, the GIMP
 is starting to eat Adobe's lunch in terms of mindshare in the geeky
 teenager market that determines the shape of tomorrow's software
 landscape - only starting, but it's a solid start.

 Under the hood, Photoshop uses more bits per channel to represent
 and process images.  It also uses the LAB color model, which
 requires more bits per channel to represent the same color gamut as
 RGB, so the difference is not as large as it would seem at first
 glance.  Bigger numbers mean smaller rounding errors, this is a Good
 Thing, and the GIMP will be getting more bits per channel shortly.
 But way over 95% of those who believe that the GIMP is a less
 capable Photoshop will never process an image for an application
 where this difference in bit depth makes any difference in the
 finished product.

 The fact that Adobe Inc. has a partner relationship with
 commercial printer manufacturers is an important difference if you
 happen to own and operate such a printer.  But this has noting to do
 with producing the source files submitted to the said print shop,
 Accurately converting a GIIMP-made CMYK TIFF file to PSD for
 proofing and color adjustment on the computer connected to the
 production printer is a one click operation.  So this is a
 difference that makes no difference unless you do happen to own
 and operate that printer.

 In some circles it is an article of faith that the GIMP is not
 suitable for professional graphics work.  But in recent years over
 half of my income has come from editing images with the GIMP.  And
 that, not has a vendor training certificate or paid for an
 expensive product, is the definition of professional graphics work.

 :o)

 Steve



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Re: [Gimp-user] Need help repairing image

[Daniel Smith]

Hey Ronald
From what I understand, slides are open to the same kind
of degradation that any plastic is, the same thing that we found out
that can happen to cds that we thought would live forever.
I have a whole family history's worth that I'm afraid to even begin to evaluate,
but have to begin eventually.
Basically that slide looks like it was next to a heat source or whatever for a
while at some time that basically burned the slide along the edge, but
overall it
looks pretty good. I think a lot of the older slides lose a lot of their info,
becoming overall very dark. I don't think there's any underlying information,
you're going to basically have to just artistically and painstakingly recreate
as close to the original as you can imagine.
Search on google for rubber stamp or clone tool in gimp, there are
tutorials on youtube.
Unless someone else knows a secret tool that can take out that gradient.
:)
Dan


On 12/26/11, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote:


 The following file was generated from a recent scan of a 40 year old
 6x7cm color negative:

   ftp://ftp.tristatelogic.com/private/gimp/img001-b.jpg

 Despite the fact that the negative in question has been stored for the
 past 30+ years in a manner that I personally would have judged to be
 ``safe'', as you can plainly see (and as is also quite evident, just
 looking at the negative itself) there has been some quite serious
 degradation of the image.  Specifically, the negative has been seriously
 compromised (by what, I have no idea) in a way that has resulted in
 a pronounced, large, and diffuse green streak all along the right hand
 edge of the image.  Less obvious, but also apparent upon close inspection,
 there is also some similar (but less pronounced) green discoloration in
 a streak along the length of the left hand edge of the image also.

 If at all possible I would like to use gimp to restore this image back
 to it's former and original glory.  (The image itself means a lot to me
 personally.)  Unfortunately, I'm still very much of a gimp novice.  I've
 mastered some basic retouching techniques, using the airbrush tool, and
 I've also have dabbled around with the fast Fourier plug-in for gimp
 (which I found terrifically useful for one project).  But really, these
 few things are about all I know of gimp, other than how to crop with it.

 So anyway, I'd very much appreciate any advice that anybody would like
 to share with me about this image.  Obviously, my goal is to get rid of
 the green stripes while (if possible) still preserving as much of the
 underyling image detail in the discolored parts of the image as possible.
 (As you can see, there is really quite a lot of image detail underneath
 those green streaks.)

 I tried, briefly, using Gimp's built-in destripe function, but that
 really didn't seem to help much, no matter how I played with the relevant
 sliders.  I also read this page:

http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tool-blend.html

 about Gimp's blend tool, but that does not sound like it would be at all
 relevant to this problem.

 I don't know enough about the heal tool to know if it would be useful for
 this kind of problem or not (but I suspect not).

 I also read a little bit about the Wavelet decompose plug-in:

http://registry.gimp.org/node/11742

 It seems to me like this might possibly be of use in my efforts to kill the
 green stripes, but I'm not at all sure and would like some advice before
 proceeding.  (I was thinking that maybe the green stripes could be removed
 by doing a wavelet decompose and then removing then from the residual
 part of the image.  Yes?  No?)

 So anyway, advice would be appreciated.

 I _could_ just crop the green stripes out, but I really prefer not to.
 (I would much rather learn more about the multitude of capabilities of
 the Gimp.)

 If only there were an airbrush-like tool that allowed one to selectively
 modify things like color balance, brightness, saturation, and so forth,
 then I think that I could clean this image up by hand, but gimp don't
 seem to have such things. :-(


 Regards,
 rfg


 P.S.  Before signing up for this list, and before posting here, I read this
 page about gimp mailing lists:

http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html

 I just wanted to say that I found this part most humorous:

 *   Use the English language.  English is the official language of the
 lists.  There is people from all around the globe so we use it...

 Obviously, that's a typo.  It should have said There AM people from all
 around the globe...

 There.  I'm glad that we got that straightened out.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Need help repairing image

[Daniel Smith]

Oh, thanks for some post holiday friviolity!

I always liked the name Gimp, it's in an ironical humorous tone, no?

@gerard82  Thanks for the details about slide construction.
Very useful, I would have never known.
Better look at my own slides soon...

On with the Xmas name calling!!!

:)

Dan

On 12/26/11, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote:
 * Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com [12-26-11 13:03]:
 On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 17:38, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  * Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com [12-26-11 06:03]:
  The GNU Image Manipulation Program will only be able to repair its
  image by changing its name.
 
  Somehow you completely missed the Subject:.  You are welcome to try
  again!

 I deliberately misinterpreted the subject. Just a stab at a horrible
 name for an otherwise terrific application.

 I'm sure you are a terrific person, also, but the name in no worse in it's
 stead than Dotan.

 Or, for that matter, Patrick/paka
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Re: [Gimp-user] Crash

[Daniel Smith]

This thread brings back such memories.
I used to work in graphics making the phone book and we used
Canvas and Photoshop on 486DX, not even pentium, PCs!
Talk about slow! I can remember actually remaking bitmaps from old files
etc, taking parts out or adding, etc, by hand, pixel by pixel.
I used to joke about how I was going in, to a place where I could no longer
be reached, like at 1000+ percent zoom or whatever.

The other day I tried to open (on my present laptop) some images in gimp, real
big ones from my digital camera. Mistakenly I tried 48 of them at
once. It got to about
processing 16 of them, none open yet, before I shut it off. Just like the
old days!!!
:)

Dan


On 12/1/11, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer unham...@fsfe.org wrote:
 Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com writes:

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer
 unham...@fsfe.org wrote:

 Bob Long writes:

  Stefan Maerz wrote,
 
  [..]
 
  It is possible to write a python-fu versioning system, right? I've
 yet
  to do anything with python-fu so I'm not sure.
 
  -Stefan
 
  I've never used it, but look at:
  http://registry.gimp.org/node/14246
 
  It will save a backup copy of your active image as
  [imagename]--MM-DD-HH-MM.xcfgz in the same directory as your
  active image.

 Just tried it, it works great :)

 Note: if you do two backups within one minute, only the last one will
 be
 saved. That's not really a bug though ;)

 Would you like it to not overwrite?  I can change it fairly easily, by
 extending the
 naming convention to add seconds :)

 For me it's sufficient, but perhaps others make more frequent backups?
 I just noticed because I was purposely testing for it.

 -Kevin

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