Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear
I wore navy and only kept quiet because I'm shy. But not on the dance floor where I kicked up my heels. Sylvia Rognstad Ezzyworld Custom design & sewing Theatrical costume design http://www.ezzyworld.com Hand-dyed silk belly dance veils http://www.facebook.com/emeralds.belly.dance.veils.etc On Feb 1, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Marjorie Wilser wrote: > I wore emerald. > > ==Marjorie > >> On Jan 27, 2016, at 7:47 AM, scourney <scour...@nwlink.com> wrote: >> >> I thought that was the comment for the mother of the groom - show up, shut >> up, and wear beige. I'm a rapidly greying blonde with pale skin, and in >> beige I'd be almost invisible. Which perhaps is the point.Susan >> >> Original message >> From: annbw...@aol.com >> Date: 01/27/2016 6:15 AM (GMT-08:00) >> To: h-cost...@indra.com >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear >> >> The mother of the bride wears beige and keeps quiet. But I would think >> another color would be more fun. > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Re: [h-cost] help/advice needed re: closure
Can you not put it in the side seam? Sylvia Rognstad Ezzyworld Custom design sewing Theatrical costume design http://www/ezzyworld.com Hand-dyed silk belly dance veils http://www.facebook.com/emeralds.belly.dance.veils.etc  On Jun 9, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Julie Tamura wrote: I'm making a 50's-ish sundress for my daughter. It has a fitted, boned bodice with a gathered skirt. The pattern was designed with a zipper in the center back seam. I've modified the skirt to have four gores. Can I put a zipper in that will have to kink off to one side to follow the gore? What would be a good closure? Everything I think of would be difficult for her to fasten in the back. Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] help/advice needed re: closure
I just got it.. You don't have a side seam either, do you? I think I would divide up the center back gore so that you do have a CB seam to insert a zipper. Sylvia Rognstad Ezzyworld Custom design sewing Theatrical costume design http://www/ezzyworld.com Hand-dyed silk belly dance veils http://www.facebook.com/emeralds.belly.dance.veils.etc  On Jun 9, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Can you not put it in the side seam? Sylvia Rognstad Ezzyworld Custom design sewing Theatrical costume design http://www/ezzyworld.com Hand-dyed silk belly dance veils http://www.facebook.com/emeralds.belly.dance.veils.etc On Jun 9, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Julie Tamura wrote: I'm making a 50's-ish sundress for my daughter. It has a fitted, boned bodice with a gathered skirt. The pattern was designed with a zipper in the center back seam. I've modified the skirt to have four gores. Can I put a zipper in that will have to kink off to one side to follow the gore? What would be a good closure? Everything I think of would be difficult for her to fasten in the back. Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Online selling
I know some of you have online clothing or costuming businesses. I have fairly recently started selling my hand-dyed silk belly dance veils on ebay and etsy. i've done much better on ebay for some reason. I'm not selling much at all on etsy although I see that there are other people selling veils on etsy and they seem to be doing better. i also see that there are a lot of vendors selling a lot of veils on ebay. I'm trying to figure out how to market my wares better without spending a fortune. Facebook ads are very expensive. 10 years ago, when I started making belly dance costumes and put them up on a website, I contacted a lot of belly dance websites with no luck whatsoever, so I don't want to go that route again. I'm just wondering if any of you have any good marketing ideas.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com Hand-dyed silk belly dance veils http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emeralds-Belly-Dance-veils-etc/ 134438376621333 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online selling
Never heard of artfire and just looked into it. since it's free, I may give it a whirl. I did used to try vending at events and didn't have much luck there. That was when I was an active belly dancer myself. I've since given it up, so I'm totally out of the loop, which may be part of the problem. thanks or the tip on artifre though. I know one woman who has been very successful selling aprons on etsy, and it certainly looks like there are many others, but I can't figure out what the trick is.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Aug 11, 2011, at 1:08 PM, thehistoricalhairdres...@gmail.com wrote: Marketing idea.. Look into belly dance schools, teachers,competitions . I did a few eastern bellydance competitions as a vendor in the san diego area. It can help draw people back to the site. I gained contact with the teachers. So I had a better flow to my site. I have not been able to crack the etsy selling mystery. It doesn't appear that it is a successful site. I know there are other sites that allow you to sell hand made goods. I think artfire might be one. You can also send in your info to dharma trading to see if they will show off your work. Hopefully you will have success! Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
I myself can't seem to get into blogs or facebook (except to try to promote my belly dance veils). Maybe it's just that I haven't a clue how to find what I might be looking for. I am not interested in one particular area of costuming so I'm not aware of what's out there. What I have always liked about this email list and the theatrical costuming list is that they are 2 places I can go to easily when i have a question.There's usually at least one person on one of the 2 lists that knows the answer. I love these lists and would hate to see them go, but I do understand people wanting more specific areas that address their own particular concern. Btw, while I'm at it,and since we're discussing facebook, any belly dancers out there? Please check out my facebook page where I sell the hand-dyed silk veils i make. Is it ok to promote ourselves on this list, I hope? http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emeralds-Belly-Dance-veils-etc/ 134438376621333 Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com Hand-dyed silk belly dance veils http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emeralds-Belly-Dance-veils-etc/ 134438376621333 On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a variety of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with all the new technology out there, times change along with the various formats available to communicate with. Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said what it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open as the format of it is more conducive to community. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/ provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
Geez. I'm even more out of it than I thought I was. i thought all I was missing out on was facebook and twitter (and texting). Now I see it's Live Journal too. When do people find time to do all this computerized social networking and have a life?  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: On 8/6/2011 5:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said what it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs? LiveJournal and DreamWidth have the idea of Friends Lists (or Reading Lists) down to a fine art. You subscribe (for lack of a better word) to folks that you want to follow (like Kimiko, for instance), and then on your Reading page, all their entries show it. It's **MUCH** micer/easier (IMO) to follow than a bunch of different blogs. They all come to one place. I also think it's easier to have a discussion on LJ or DW than it is on most blogs because of the way the comments are structured. It's very easy to follow a comment thread there. Susan/ jerusha/ FlorentineScot -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: corset and breast augmentation surgery
She's right. I had a boob job years ago, and have since had it reversed, but one side got very hard and wouldn't compress that much. I was able to wear a corset though without any medical problems, although my implants were silicone, not the saliine they mostly use today and I'm told that saline ones rupture more easily. I wuoldnt think you'd want to wear a corset too much of the time because of the frequency of the additional pressure, but I would think it's ok once in awhile. And find out if the implants are saline or silicone.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On May 20, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Melanie Schuessler wrote: I've put an Elizabethan corset on an augmented figure. Once the person is healed from the surgery, there shouldn't be a problem. What you will discover, however, is that fake breasts don't compress as much as real breasts. They're much firmer and tend to retain their original shape rather than creating the lifted shelf that Elizabethan corsets often produce. It's difficult to get the front profile as flat as is possible with real breasts as well. If you're doing a Victorian corset, it should be much less of an issue due to the curvy design. If you're doing an 18th-century corset, you may have some difficulty creating a period effect, but the 18th-century aesthetic allows for a somewhat curved profile, and the lifted cleavage is more like that created by a modern push- up bra and less like the Elizabethan, so it should work well enough. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler On May 20, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Kay Shelton wrote: I'm hoping someone here will know. A friend to whom I've promised a corset is having breast augmentation surgery: a boob job. How will this affect her wearing a corset? Is it a matter of days, weeks, years? Can I fit her if she doesn't wear it long? She's planning on asking the doctor, but I fear the doctor may not have experience with costuming. Thank you for any advice you can give. Kay ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shoe glue
Barge cement.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On May 12, 2011, at 10:56 AM, mims...@gmail.com wrote: I have a gorgeous pair of child's cowboy boots that are at least 50 years old, but the upper is separating from the sole at the heel. A good 3 inches is no longer attached. A shoemaker is not within a manageable distance for me. Would I be successful tackling this myself? If so, what sort of glue do I need to look for? Thanks for any advice. Siobhan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cleaning real metal threads in fabric
Doesnt sound like silver if it's yellowing. Silver turns black when it tarnishes, which it does, very fast, as you probably know. Or is it the fabric that is yellowing?  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Apr 25, 2011, at 4:37 PM, cw15147-hcos...@yahoo.com wrote: If it's real silver, then a half-and-half mixture of water and baking soda will clean off the oxidation, and probably not harm the silk? I don't know, I've never been near silk with wet baking soda, I only know it works for cleaning silver. Claudine - Original Message From: Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 3:28:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Cleaning real metal threads in fabric I have a gollar which I lined with a vintage black silk and real silver threaded sari. (I think it is silver - it is definitely some metal - it is heavy) One side of it has started to yellow (the silver part). Anyone have any suggestions on how to clean the metal without ruining the black silk? Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Making historical mannequins
Thought you'd all find this interesting: http://lacma.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/fashioning-mannequins/ Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] finding bolo tips
Does anyone have a source for bolo tips? I put them on the ends of cording I use in my corsets. They look great that way. Hobby Lobby doesn't carry them anymore.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] A strange question
I asked my goth friend who says: Goth is not dead! Long live goth! Not all goths are steampunks, not all steampunks are goths. But there is blending. There is also separation.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Mar 24, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Has goth (clothing and events) basically evolved into steampunk? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dating a couple garments
They're not mine but one has an All That Jazz label so I know it's newer than the 30s-40s. Can we attach photos on this list? And yes, all the dating I am doing is with garments these days.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Feb 13, 2010, at 1:20 PM, R Lloyd Mitchell wrote: I had a number of 'dolmans' from the 1930/40s in my vintage collection. Do we assume the ones in hand were personal garments worn by you and come with memories? I think there was a fad more recently, perhaps the '80s? -Original Message- From: Sheridan Alder sheridanal...@yahoo.ca Sent 2/12/2010 10:29:25 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dating a couple garmentsLate 70's? I have one in high school. ? Sheridan Alder --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Sylvia Rognstad syl...@ntw.net wrote: From: Sylvia Rognstad syl...@ntw.net Subject: [h-cost] Dating a couple garments To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Received: Friday, February 12, 2010, 3:47 PM Does anyone recall when dolman sleeved swing jackets were popular?? Was it the 80s or the 90s?? I'm trying to sell some old clothes and they have to be at least 20 years old to put them up on etsy in the vintage section.? I can send photos if I can figure out how to do so on this list. ? Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http:// downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h- costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Dating a couple garments
Does anyone recall when dolman sleeved swing jackets were popular? Was it the 80s or the 90s? I'm trying to sell some old clothes and they have to be at least 20 years old to put them up on etsy in the vintage section. I can send photos if I can figure out how to do so on this list.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Grading patterns
I know this question isn't related specifically to historic costuming, but I think some of you have made businesses from your passion for such and may have needed to grade their patterns up and down for sale. In the past, I have done my own grading, but I've never really learned totally how to do it and I have some ideas for new designs that, if they sell, I may need to size them up or down and these may be too complex for me to try on my own. Does anyone know of any professional graders? I live in Colorado, but I imagine I could ship my patterns out of state if I can't find someone here.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Grading patterns
I'll let you know if I hear of anything.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Marjorie Wilser wrote: Sylvia, I think your question entirely appropriate for this list. I have a whole archive of historic patterns that I'd like to grade (none of them is even close to my own size!), but have never attempted. If you hear of a grader/service, I might be interested, too. Many thanks for posting! == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I know this question isn't related specifically to historic costuming, but I think some of you have made businesses from your passion for such and may have needed to grade their patterns up and down for sale. In the past, I have done my own grading, but I've never really learned totally how to do it and I have some ideas for new designs that, if they sell, I may need to size them up or down and these may be too complex for me to try on my own. Does anyone know of any professional graders? I live in Colorado, but I imagine I could ship my patterns out of state if I can't find someone here. Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Grading patterns
I need to be able to grade a pattern up and down in size from a 0 up to probably a 20 something. I don't want to have to repattern a garment for each size.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Joan Jurancich wrote: At 12:13 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: Sylvia, I think your question entirely appropriate for this list. I have a whole archive of historic patterns that I'd like to grade (none of them is even close to my own size!), but have never attempted. If you hear of a grader/service, I might be interested, too. Many thanks for posting! == Marjorie Wilser =: On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I know this question isn't related specifically to historic costuming, but I think some of you have made businesses from your passion for such and may have needed to grade their patterns up and down for sale. In the past, I have done my own grading, but I've never really learned totally how to do it and I have some ideas for new designs that, if they sell, I may need to size them up or down and these may be too complex for me to try on my own. Does anyone know of any professional graders? I live in Colorado, but I imagine I could ship my patterns out of state if I can't find someone here. Sylvia Rognstad When I first made a dress for Dickens Faire and Sutter's Fort about 30 years ago (!), there were no commercial patterns anywhere near my size or shape. Given that I am very short-waisted, I found it easier to start from my own fitted sloper and then make changes to give the cut of the dress I wanted. For example, a standard sloper has a side-bust dart; in the 19th century dresses the bust darts are from the waist; so I changed the bust darts to match my desired look. You might find this easier than grading a historical pattern, I certainly did. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sound of Music
I noticed that too when watching Giant, I think it was. It starts in the early 1920s but the costumes look like 1950s, when the movie was made. For some reason, it seems like costume designers from the 50s and 60s were not at all interested in any sort of historical accuracy.  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Dec 28, 2009, at 5:15 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: The outfits that Baroness Schraeder ears struck me as not particularly 1930s, but I really don't know anything bout that period, so I thought of asking what this list had to say. Any pinions? When I worked in a local theatre costume shop, several of the regulars were big fans of the movie, but, given the awful costumes, I couldn't see why. Yes, the Baroness is in '60s fashions. The hairstyles and makeup are even worse. Maria, of course, is in generic middle European peasant style at the beginning. Don't know how authentic the nuns' habits are, but at least they look right. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Martha Sieting oserm...@msu.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 2:42 pm Subject: [h-cost] Sound of Music So hubby and I watched The Sound of Music last night (there was nothing else n and those old classics are fun sometimes anyway) and I found myself wondering bout the authenticity of the costuming. The outfits that Baroness Schraeder ears struck me as not particularly 1930s, but I really don't know anything bout that period, so I thought of asking what this list had to say. Any pinions? Many thanks and happy holidays! -Martha __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Query on sewing machines
I love my Pfaff because of the even feed food (I think that's what it's called). It's like a built in walking foot and I couldn't sew on vinyl without it. I use it almost all the time now, since it also sews very lightweight fabrics without pulling and puckering. No need to reset the tension. Sylvia Rognstad www.ezzyworld.com On Oct 7, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Marjorie Wilser wrote: Brother used to be a good brand. I loved mine. Then it got stolen. I bought another, and couldn't bear to part with it when I got the Pfaff. I've had a Pfaff for the last 15 years and I swear by it. You couldn't go wrong with a refurbed one. But I heartily dislike Bernina, mostly because their so-called knee lever hits me mid- thigh. If you're above 5'9, with long legs, it isn't ideal! I do love my Pfaff. == Marjorie Wilser (who also has a trio of oldies to play with) =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Oct 7, 2009, at 4:51 AM, landofoz wrote: If you have a repair shop that is *not* a dealer - go there first. Ask what models they recommend based on what they see in their shop. Then look around at thrift stores, garage sales, etc. I have a Morris (singer look-a-like) that sews straight stitch only (forward and back), but it has a ton of extra feet for piping, ruffles, etc. It doesn't zigzag, but it also never needs repair. It has extremely even stitches and it's easy to use. It cost me $5 at a church rumage sale, and I spent about $35 at the repair shop for cleaning/adjusting, and about $20 for an old blonde drop down cabinet. It came with the instruction book and the owner's notes (purchased new in 1955 for 89.00, IIRC) and the repair shop said it was a great machine that will probably never need a thing. I have a newer (1968) Viking that does some embroidery stitches, etc, but it's more fussy, and parts are no longer made. I bought another one on ebay for parts. Denise (the repair guy said he wouldn't take one of those walmart models for free!) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Rococo bunny
That's adorable! Do you sell them? On Jul 29, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Deredere Galbraith wrote: I just had to post this. I make bunny backpacks and I have been asked to make a rococo male bunny. The embroidery is done by machine. The undershirt is silk and the rest is of synthetic taft. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Troep/Kabunny.jpg Greetings, Deredere ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Sylvia Rognstad www.ezzyworld.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
While it's a whole nuther subject and unrelated to historic costume, it bears mentioning that it wasn't just the clothing rebels you have to thank for your academic freedom, but all those courageous dissidents on campuses like Cal Berkeley who stood up for their right to free speech in the late 1960s. A lot changed because of them. That's all. Sylvia On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Beth Chamberlain wrote: These younger girls don't realize what they missed! But we appreciated the paths you forged! By the 80's we could show up for class in jeans, sweats or even pj's. I always wondered if the girls in pj's with uncombed hair would have dared to do that if there were guys in class. The Home Ec students were certainly encouraged to dress nicely for certain events but in class it was pretty much anything goes. (Of course by then we could have men in our rooms too - thank you to the women of the 70's for that.) Beth A library is not a luxury but one of the necessities of life Henry Ward Beecher http://mysite.verizon.net/bachamberlain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions - Nehru?
Living in Berkeley and SF in the late 60s, I saw plenty of people that wore both fringed vests and ponchos. Sylvia On Jul 6, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Maggie wrote: Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:14 PM, cbellfl...@aol.com wrote: I don't think anyone has mentioned fringed vests, yet.? And ponchos.? You see those in TV and movies as a cultural reference to hippies, but I never knew anyone who had either. I was a college freshman in the fall of 1968. I did have a beautiful suede vest that I wore for several years, but I never had a lot of money for clothes, trendy or otherwise. I know a lot of real hippie wear came from charity shops, and the fancy stuff came from Hollywood designers. MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
I remember those Villlager shirtwaists. No one was wearing them in CA where I went to high school but I recall that when I went on to college there were girls in my rooming house from the east coast who were all wearing Villager style clothes, along with penny loafers, which no one in CA wore either. It was the preppy look which, I don't think, ever made its way to the west coast. Slvia On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:25 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Ah, but the phrase that I was responding to was that much of what we think of as the 1960s really happened in the 1970s, not necessarily just the hippies of the 1960s. And certainly things happened in different places at different times. For instance, no one wore a grannie dress at my suburban St. Louis high school until after I graduated, in 1969. When my classmates weren't wearing Villager shirtwaists, they did often tend toward the mod look-- my first pair of pantyhose (as opposed to stockings) were pale orange and had a diamond pattern. Double-breasted, so-called Edwardian tuxedos were the style of choice for many of my male classmates at the prom, again in the spring of 1969, or so I understood from their discussion--I didn't go (I wasn't anti-prom--I couldn't get a date, and one didn't go without one). I went to a private liberal arts college that had a dress code, skirts only, right up until the fall of 1969, when I started. So no one wore jeans to class until then. Ann Wass **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
No. I was in CA, so I understand that the 60s probably hit the midwest later. Funny, though, that that was something that never occurred to me for a long time. I just assumed everyone everywhere was dressing ( and behaving) as we did in CA. On Jul 5, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: Were you in the Midwest? From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad [syl...@ntw.net] Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:29 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions What do you mean by that? I definitely experienced the 60s in the 60s. Sylvia On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:22 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/4/2009 7:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sovag...@cybermesa.com writes: [who thinks it is true that the Sixties mostly happened in the Seventies] Oh, absolutely. Ann Wass **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Yes, except those were the earlier 50s version with the full skirts. I wore those in junior high but the Villager shirtwaist never came in style where I was in southern CA. What was really in style, for the guys, in the early to mid 60s, in So. Cal was the surfer look. Did that make it across the country? Sylvia On Jul 5, 2009, at 7:11 PM, landofoz wrote: Whoops--sorry for the blank post. Yes, Villager was a brand. A shirtwaist, at least in 1960s terminology, is a dress with a fitted bodice--bust and waist darts--and buttons down the center front--attached to a skirt. It could be full in the 1950s or early 1960s, but by the late '60s was often A-line. The fabric was often a cotton with a floral sort of serpentine print. To make the style work with a full skirt, there was a slit placket opening at center front, or, sometimes, an underarm zipper. I never had an authentic Villager dress, but merely homemade styles (that I made myself.) I still have the pattern I used, Simplity 8296 from 1969. The A- line view had the underarm zipper. I think I used another pattern for the full- skirted view, which had a slit placket but no underarm zipper. Dresses could have short sleeves with a turned up cuff, or long sleeves with a button cuff, and a convertible collar. Would this be similar to the day dresses worn on shows like Leave it to Beaver and I Love Lucy? Denise B ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Villager shirtwaists
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[h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
Here's a question for those (like me) old-timers out there. I may be going to a 1960s hippies style event and if so, need to wear a costume. My recollection isn't so good. Remember what they said: If you can remember it, you weren't really there?Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. Along with bell bottom pants, of course, which is an option, but I prefer a dress. What do you early boomers recall? Sylvia R ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
I went to high school before the hippie craze hit, so no one even thought of wearing either long skirts or pants. Girls were still trying to dress like the perfect little woman with girdles, heels and stockings, although we only went that far for special occasions, not to school, but you get the picture. Re jewelry, I still have my peace sign earrings and my necklace ankh. As for shoes, the big thing, when I was at Berkeley, was to get grecian sandals handmade by a local crafter, which I did and sure wish I still had those. The only dress I saved from the 60s was my red crocheted one, which I did wear once to a 60s theme event, but it is short and I would have to wear it with tights, which in the summer, would be too warm. I found some flat shoes that were just like the ones I wore originally and since I worked in a costume shop at the time, found a long hairpiece that matched my hair so I was able to get a real vintage hairstyle going. I really had one of the 60s looks going on there, but not the hippie one. More like the British mod look. I kind of alternated between the 2 styles when I was young. Sylvia On Jul 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I remember that we were not allowed to wear long skirts to high school in the year 1968-69. A friend of mine wore one and was called into the Principal's office and told, Do not wear that skirt to school again. The next day she wore another long skirt to school. Again she was called into the Principal's office and he said, I thought I told you not to wear that skirt to school again? My friend replied, That one was blue. This one is green. Shortly after that incident, we were allowed to wear both long skirts AND pants to school. Maxi skirts came out when I was a junior, 1970-71. We all thought they were hideous. On a related note, the skirt to wear was an embroidered Mexican shirt, with a square neck and gathered sleeves. Or a loose, long sleeved gauze blouse, with flaring sleeves. Don't forget your ankle bracelet with little bells, macramé barefoot sandals and peace sign necklace! Sounds fun! Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions Here's a question for those (like me) old-timers out there. I may be going to a 1960s hippies style event and if so, need to wear a costume. My recollection isn't so good. Remember what they said: If you can remember it, you weren't really there?Anyhow, I'm trying to remember when long skirts and dresses came in. I can only recall wearing them in the 1970s, but my legs, not being what they used to be, definitely do not want to be seen in a mini skirt, which is all I can remember wearing in the late 60s. Along with bell bottom pants, of course, which is an option, but I prefer a dress. What do you early boomers recall? Sylvia R ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
What do you mean by that? I definitely experienced the 60s in the 60s. Sylvia On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:22 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/4/2009 7:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sovag...@cybermesa.com writes: [who thinks it is true that the Sixties mostly happened in the Seventies] Oh, absolutely. Ann Wass **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mascara advice
I buy Maybelline waterproof mascara. It's cheap and doesn't run. Sylvia On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Gilbert wrote: Thank you for all your advice re mascara. I must admit to going into sticker shock when seeing the prices. I guess you truly get what you pay for. I will look for waterproof and suitable for contact lenses mascara. Thank you! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England Royal Ascot Finalist 2009 www.marjoriegilbert.net www.gilbertinfrared.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mascara Advice
I use cold cream, but any make up remover will work. I also wear waterproof mascara, which doesn't run. Sylvia R On Jun 6, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Gilbert wrote: I had to wear mascara for a dance recital, and find that it's still there--not only that, it ran (cried while Mary and her little lambs danced). My questions are these: how do you get the stuff off, and what mascara is tear-proof? I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you in advance!! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England Royal Ascot Finalist 2009 www.marjoriegilbert.net www.gilbertinfrared.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Video of Costume Designer Ann Roth
Thanks, Penny, for sharing that. I look forward to the next 2 parts, although the video stopped so many times it was frustrating to watch. I really liked that she said at the beginning that she almost never thinks of making her costumes pretty or attractive, as this is one of the big differences in designing for theatre and designing fashion, and something that I don't think young students sometimes take into consideration when trying to decide on a design career. Btw, I just noticed, and maybe it has been mentioned already but I missed it, that Bravo is starting a new fashion competition show tonight, since Project Runway is going to Lifetime. It's being hosted by Isaac Mizrahi. Sylvia R On May 6, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: Film designer Ann Roth discussing making costumes: http://www.makingof.com/insiders/media/ann/roth/ann-roth-on-costume- design/61/105 This is the first of a three part video. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's on the horizon
That is so interesting, Penny. Thanks for sharing. ALmost makes me want to go back to school to study it. Seems fascinating. Has to be very expensive though. One thing occurred to me though. The virtual model has that typically 1950s wasp waist that is incredibly small. The butt is pretty big too. I went back to look at the real model they designed from and noticed that she is not built like that, so they obviously did some enhancing there to achieve that 50s look. I know that women were able, with the help of corsets, to get those small waists, but I never thought anyone could get such a tiny waist until I saw Vampira. You wouldn't believe it possible unless you saw her. Sylvia R On Apr 7, 2009, at 2:41 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: Take a look at this from MIRAlabs at the University of Geneva: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrJS72lkX_cNR=1 Then look at the finished product: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekc_9vPDbo8feature=related Back in 1997, I searched for graduate level programs to do this for costume and fashion. At the time, I couldn't find a program. MIRAlabs is working on a few more projects similar to this: http://www.miralab.unige.ch/ Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New York fabric shopping
I haven't been following this NY shopping thread, since I never go there, but it brings up a question for me. I heard a year or two back, that fabric shopping in the big cities isn't what it used to be. If I take on a new design job I've just been offered, I may have to travel to L.A. to shop for it. I recall someone saying that the garment district doesn't have all the good jobbers it used to. True or not? Sylvia R On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: Thanks everyone for all the suggestions so far. I'm getting psyched, and believe it or not, so is my husband (who was dubious about the time we allotted on the schedule for fabric shopping, until he realized there was stuff HE was looking for...) Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT...Dying Swan (or I love YouTube)
Did you also check out the one by Maya Pllisetskaya? I think I saw her do it ages ago. My parents took me to the ballet whenever the big companies came to town. IMHO, she was a lot better than Pavlova. Love the Trockadero costume. Sylvia R On Mar 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, albert...@aol.com wrote: Remember that pic from that teens scrap book of Anna Pavlova as a dragonfly? And that her big thing back in the teens was her Dying Swan variation? Well here she is doing it! Anna herself! (anyone speak Russian?) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3kPxWUbU50feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3kPxWUbU50feature=related) Here's a more modern version: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP0zZ9LbDFsfeature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP0zZ9LbDFsfeature=related) And last but not leastthe must-see Ballet Trockadero's version! (Ballet Trockadero de Monte Carlo is all men, y'know) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRp5nE0Hlscfeature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRp5nE0Hlscfeature=related) Enjoy! **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] corset for a singer
I corseted the whole female cast of an opera a few years ago and none of them had trouble singing. Sylvia On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: At 18:37 29/01/2009, you wrote: Hi, I have a very special question. My singing teacher asked me to sew a corset for her - she wants it as an undergarment for concerts, to make her look, I guess, more beautiful. She is a size 18-20. She would like a corset similar to the 1880s styles, but it doesn't have to be too complicated. But a proper corset with metal bones and front busk fastening and lacing etc. The point is, she needs to take a deep breath in the corset (when she breathes, her bust circumference increases up to 8cm more). And I have NO IDEA how that's going to work, because corsets are usually the same size or a bit smaller than your bust (and, certainly, your waist). The stupid thing is she has to breathe in the belly as well as in the upper ribcage (ehm, my knowledge of anatomy in English is poor, I don't know how's that king of breathing called. Simply means she will increase her bust as well as waist circumference when taking a deep breath.) Does any of you have some experience with corsets for singers? Or any ideas of where to search for information? I thought making one panel in the corset of some elastic, but that would definitely loose the sense of wearing a corset. But I think this must be possible to solve somehow, don't tell me 19th century singers wore no corsets... I also thought of trying an existing corset on her so that she can try out how she can sing, but I have no corsets in such a large size:-( Thanks for help, Zuzana Jean Hunnisett worked at Glyndebourne, a major operatic centre in England, and said some singers were happy to wear corsets, and some hated them. Your teacher is starting from a positive position, as she wants a corset. I have also worked with singers who wanted to wear corsets, and I found that making them in the normal way is perfectly satisfactory. Most opera singers breathe below and above where a corset fits, in my experience. I have also sung myself in a corset, and have had no problems. The corset dated 1878, in Period Costumes for Stage and Screen 1800-19?? by Jean Hunnisett, is a really nice corset - you just have to check the length as it sometimes comes up short. HTH Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] NHR patterns
Is it a current pattern? If so, they were on sale for .99 up through yesterday at Joanns. I would check if you have a Hancocks nearby and see if they might be on sale there. Sylvia On Oct 26, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Land of Oz wrote: This is not a historical pattern, but a general pattern question. I have a McCalls pattern in progress, and I've* misplaced 2 of the 3 instruction sheets. Do any of you know if there is a replacement service for stuff like this, or will I have to buy a whole new pattern? I looked around on the ordering and customer service portions of their web site and didn't see anything. I can sew just about anything with instructions and simple stuff without, but I'm not confident about doing w/o instructions on a moderately complex coat with a lining. (M5717, if anyone is interested). This is the coat for which I was seeking plaid fabric earlier this year. Denise B Iowa *technically, it was my teen daughter who misplaced them while cleaning, but the result is the same ;-) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] general fitting questions
Seems to me like the problem is that this doesn't fit you as it should, judging from the Vogue pic. It's not supposed to be off the shoulder. Looks like your neckline is way too wide and that makes your armscye fall down. I don't think you can do anything at this point to correct it. Sylvia ' On Aug 22, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Alexandria Doyle wrote: Lower the sleeve cap curve. If you look at the garment in the flat I'll bet the sleeves naturally lay pointed straight down. Rotate the sleeve up until you get the motion/position you want. keeping the armhole opening as small as possible will help with that too. alex From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] I made up Vogue 7733 to wear at an event last week and had some fitting issues with it. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/2/itm_img/V7733.jpg Here's a bad pic of me wearing it: http://www.reddawn.net/temp/DSCN3883.jpg I know how to solve the falling-off-the-shoulders problem. What was killing me is that I can't raise my arms in this thing. The model in the first image demonstrates the limit of range-of-motion available. I had trouble just getting my shoulder bag on my shoulder because I couldn't lift my arms enough. How do I fix this? What do I need to adjust on the pattern so I can do more than just stand around and look pretty wearing this top? I don't need to do jumping jacks, but I couldn't even push my hair out of my face without difficulty. Dawn -- I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday... ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question regarding career path
Penny, I did a costume job search with Cirque and came up with nothing. I'd love to go work with them for awhile. Sylviz On Aug 15, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: Joan, I forgot a couple of possibilities... If you are in a city that the Broadway plays tours, they hire local dressers and stitchers. My 4th son does lighting. We couldn't find out who was in charge at one of the venues that has the tours. I dropped him off at the venue a day before a Broadway show. He walked in and kept asking who was in charge until he found the right person. This opened the door wide for him. The crews move from venue to venue. It is hard to catch up with the crew chief. Sometimes, the crew chief is at several venues in one day. Each city here in Virginia have a different local for the union. My son works in VA Beach, Richmond (four venues), University of Virginia, ODU, Virginia Commonwealth University, and was just hired permanently for the DC area. The Stage-hand Union that he works for includes costuming. He works all sorts of shows from country to rock concerts, WWE (wrestling), Cirque du Soleil, Dancing w/ Stars and American Idol tours, ice shows, conventions, etc. All need dressers and stitchers. Cirque begs for costumers year-round, http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/CirqueDuSoleil/en/jobs/offstage/ recruitsoft.htm . If this site doesn't show costuming/wardrobe, let me know. My son has the direct link for crew members. The last time my son checked, they were looking for costumers for their Vegas shows. Also Ringling Bros. technical crews are based Palmetto, Florida (next door to my sister's house) and Northern VA. The gig he has in DC sounds like what others are suggesting for you. He is setting up events for conventions at different venues in the DC area. It is a full time job...so full-time, it is 60-80 hours a week at $32 an hour. Convention is a huge industry. If you can get in a location that hosts big conventions, you can do well. I have watched my son working a convention and it amazes me how many people are required for the set-up. He is 23 years old and has been setting up and loading out conventions, here and there, since he was 19. You don't need a lot of experience to work the conventions. My son has brought all his friends and two of his brothers into working all these jobs. Some work full-time and others part-time when they need extra money. One of the main qualifications the unions are look for is safety conscious people..safety for all...themselves, other employees, performers, and the audience. Safety is first in the business. Some Stage-hand Union locals offer in Virginia offer insurance, some don't. This varies from state-to-state, area-to-area. Some states and venues require the insurance. Others only have insurance on you while working the gig. If you can get a film commission directory from your state or the state you are interested in moving to; you will find a listing of all kinds of entertainment industry businesses. It is amazing all the different types of businesses involved that work all fields in world of entertainment. My suggestion is to read through it the listings and select the businesses that you want to send resumes. Remember that the majority of the businesses do other genres besides film. The casino industry is in several states. Some casino areas look for full and part-time costumers for shows. It not just Vegas and Atlantic City for casinos anymore. My niece was working for a casino in Biloxi, MS until Hurricane Katrina moved her casino across the highway. The company moved her to a casino in Nebraska. They transferred her back to MS last month. Shows in casinos are a big part of their industry. My youngest son goes to University of Southern Mississippi and they have a undergrad degree in casino gaming industry. Think of it this way, the world is your oyster and you are the pearl! Good luck and keep us updated. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/08 9:55 PM Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I havent seen any fishnet for quite some time, but I'll look around. Thanks. Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Dawn wrote: Sylvia Rognstad wrote: It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? I used to see fishnet sold for decorating, in a little package with some seashells in some asian import shops on the east coast. Something like that, painted or dyed and decorated might work. We don't have shops like that in the midwest, so I don't know if that sort of thing is still available. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I had been thinking of crocheting, but I really don't want to have to macrame a dress either. That's why I asked if anyone had come across a netted fabric that would work. I know that nylon net is way too weak. Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: Think macrame for this one. The beads are on cord which is netted together to create the dress, NOT sewn onto a net fabric. Thus you need to make your beaded macrame shell and then line it with something solid (the linen shift). However, if you choose to applique the beads to clothe and then sew up the shift, DO NOT use net fabric. It won't be strong enough to support the weight of the beads. My first encounter with this dress was the article in KMR (a journal re Egyptian archaeology) which discussed the find and the reconstruction. IIRC, the hypothesis there was that this was worn over some form of a linen garment the style of which is presently unknown. Ginni Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/21/08 9:50 AM It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/08 9:55 PM Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Paper beads might be a good idea. Thanx! Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Dawn wrote: Chris Laning wrote: Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was made. I was thinking, for stage use, if I was doing it I would try making paper beads right on the net, stretch it in a frame or something and roll slips of paper on it like this: http://www.tappi.org/paperu/art_class/paperBeads.htm You could use silver or gold wrapping paper for metallic beads, and it would weigh a lot less than plastic or glass beads. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Thank you! Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Kate Pinner wrote: Try Rose Brand fabrics for 1 scenery netting http://www.rosebrand.com/product787/30-Scenery-Netting-FR.aspx? cid=158idx=6 300tid=1info=Netting Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I thought I had saved it, but now cannot find a bookmarked file of a picture of an ancient Egyptian beaded (crocheted?) dress that must have been exhumed at some point and was still in fairly decent shape. Does someone still have that link? Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Egyptian dress
I just found it, so never mind the last msg. Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves
Not what I wanted to hear. Heaven forbid that my clothes are not on a par with royalty. Just kidding. Thanks all for the comments. I don't think I'm going to worry about it. The pattern has too many other fitting problems anyhow I need to deal with. I thought I would be saving myself some time using commercial patterns when I should have just drafted it from the start.I need it to look good because I'm wearing it for my son's wedding next week. Purchased some beautiful ice blue dupioni from Exotic Silks at a pretty penny and want to do justice to it. Sylvia On Jun 6, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: I saw the traveling exhibition of Princess Diana's clothing several years ago(it came to Omaha!) and noted on all the long-sleeved garments that the sleeves were two-piece and the seams all matched up. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:04 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves It´s a modern jacket? From what I´ve learned, in modern custom-made clothing it´s rather coincidence whether the seams match or not. It´s just a design issue. Industrially made garments often have them because they use mock-ups until they achieve matching seams. Hanna At 00:50 06.06.2008, you wrote: This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need to match on either the front or the back? Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves
2 piece, vertically. On Jun 6, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Becky Rautine wrote: What do you mean when you say a two pieced sleeve? 2piece vertical or 1 horizontally connected? Haven't seen that one but there are also sleeves the have a front and backs seam so the outter part is smooth. Can't think what a 2 piece sleeve looks like. Brain block recently. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:55:32 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves Not what I wanted to hear. Heaven forbid that my clothes are not on a par with royalty. Just kidding. Thanks all for the comments. I don't think I'm going to worry about it. The pattern has too many other fitting problems anyhow I need to deal with. I thought I would be saving myself some time using commercial patterns when I should have just drafted it from the start.I need it to look good because I'm wearing it for my son's wedding next week. Purchased some beautiful ice blue dupioni from Exotic Silks at a pretty penny and want to do justice to it. Sylvia On Jun 6, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: I saw the traveling exhibition of Princess Diana's clothing several years ago(it came to Omaha!) and noted on all the long-sleeved garments that the sleeves were two-piece and the seams all matched up. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:04 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves It´s a modern jacket? From what I´ve learned, in modern custom-made clothing it´s rather coincidence whether the seams match or not. It´s just a design issue. Industrially made garments often have them because they use mock-ups until they achieve matching seams. Hanna At 00:50 06.06.2008, you wrote: This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need to match on either the front or the back? Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves
I can do that in the back, but the front sleeve seam is so low, where I think it needs to be, that the front princess seam can't match. It may be that I recall only seeing the back seams match in the past. Sylvia On Jun 6, 2008, at 5:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With tailoring head on, I'd say that on a modern garment, they should match. Generally it's simply a case of fiddling about with both body and sleeve patterns till they do. A little off is less of an issue (up to half an inch or so) - more than that and I'd personally have to alter. Debbie In a message dated 06/06/2008 19:01:46 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need to match on either the front or the back? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 2 piece sleeves
This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need to match on either the front or the back? Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves
They're off 1.5 on one side to 2 on the other. On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/5/2008 7:17:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How far off are they from matching? This is a good question. If they are off just a little, it can look like a mistake. But then a little is easy to fix and move so they do match. If they look like they never were intended to match, then...OK! **Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?NCID=aolfod000302) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] High Rise shorts? A little OT
I thought everything had been low rise for so long, that waistlines were going up again. Sylvia On May 20, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: I tried to go shopping for shorts today - EVERYTHING is low rise now. I was in Macy's, Dilliards, Penny's etc - nada - nothing GRR! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Menstruation in Middle Ages
The museum appears to have been closed. On May 12, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: I know we've discussed it some, but that was 7 or more years ago! For those who are curious about more recent menstruation habits, there's the online Museum of Menstruation: http://www.mum.org/ -- cv ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread
I think it is necessary for woven fabrics, not so for knits, since they don't fray. Of course, if you're doing historically accurate costumes, you probably don't want to serge them, but since I'm not into that, I always serge, and can't stand costumes or clothing that aren't serged anymore Sylvia On May 11, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: I've never liked serging but: Is it useful for fabrics besides knits? I know it can be used on woven fabrics, but there are a variety of seams that can be used on those but less of a variety for knits. Thing is, I never sew knits. And I never wanted a serger before but now that I'm adding to the machine collection. . . I'm really regretting selling that early electric Singer with the bentwood case that I had years ago, it worked perfectly and had a great straight stitch. It's just that I was a college student, I also had another machine, and I didn't want a lot of stuff to haul around. Is it easy to get them into good condition? Mine was like new. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Kim Baird wrote: You need a strong thread for serging, because there is a bit of jerking going on, and high speed. I use polyester thread for serging, whether it's dedicated serger cones or just spools of Guterman or Metrosene. I also like to use wooly nylon in the loopers, because it covers the edge so well. However, you have to be careful when pressing the garment. Too much heat, and wooly nylon becomes stiff and scratchy. snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread
I never use cotton thread for anything, as I live in a dry climate, and it breaks faster. I think I read that poly has more give to it as well. I just use the cheap poly cone threads that are made for sergers. One question relating to threads I have is does anyone think that cotton covered poly threads are better or worse for regular machine sewing than all poly? Joanns just discontinued the former. Sylvia On May 10, 2008, at 3:10 AM, S Young wrote: Hi All, What is better for an overlocker, cotton or polyester? Yes this is a very open ended question! What do you find best to use in what situations. Sidney ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS
I had a difficult situation with a play I designed last summer. The director didn't have much of a clue what he wanted before the rehearsal process started but he did have one conceptual concept he wanted visualized by the costumes and I agreed it would be a good one, so I designed the show around that. The play only had 2 actors, one male, one female (The Last Five Years) and when rehearsals started, they, especially the woman, started suggesting costume ideas. At that point, the director more or less submitted to their-mainly her--ideas and my ideas kind of flew out the window. It was a shopped show and one weekend the woman even went to a store and bought some things she liked, to bring back and show me. I was getting rather frustrated and disappointed by then but tried to go with the flow and I actually did appreciate their input, since they knew more about their characters than I did through rehearsing their parts.I guess I've been in the business enough by now to know do this, although it would have been impossible if the costumes had been built. So I sympathize with you and your situation. Fortunately it hasn't happened very often that the actors want to design their own costumes. On one of the other plays I also designed last summer one actress asked for a different color fabric after I had already purchased it, but we had a big enough budget that I could do so. Several years ago I was draping a show that had cast an experienced Broadway actress who was of a certain age and the designer had to design 3 different possible outfits for her to approve before his designs were finalized, so I know this happens a lot in our industry. Sometimes the actors are right and have good ideas. Sometimes they are not and you have to do what it takes to please them, as I've found that directors usually bow to the actors, not the designer. Sylvia On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: This is why I feel regular production meetings are so important. At the first meeting, all the designers and the director get together and discuss the direction of the show re: design, style, etc. As soon as the show is cast, meet again and make any changes (if the leads won't look good in the original ideas, change them ASAP) Then meet every week until tech week. It keeps the director and producer from getting any surprises and you can let folks know if their expectations aren't going to be met because of budget/time/lack of help, etc. As to professional standards, if the director/producer changes my ideas so radically that I would be embarrassed to have my name on them, I do the job as asked (I'm assuming you're getting paid), but ask that I not be listed in the program as the designer, after all, if your designs have been altered, they aren't a good reflection of your abilities. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AVCHASE Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:46 PM To: h-costume posts Subject: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS Hi, All. The most recent show on which I worked opened last last Thursday. And over all its a good show. But some of the fallout has been very upsetting to me. The director invited me to do this show for her, her last show (she's said that for for the last three years), and I've done them. Each time some cast members have been down right vicious. This time was the worst. It occurred to me we expected different things as/from a designer. I'd just assumed they all understood that I only did these shows to practice my craft, keep my abilities in shape, and explore my ideas. Maybe her agenda was different? So I sent an email and asked what she had expected when she engaged a designer. She wrote back to me a very complimentary (damned by praise-forget faint) note about my design capabilities; but-said I was overbearing, didn't listen to the actress's ideas and was not willing to take suggestions form the actresses. The ideas and suggestions were put forth a few days before dress and production had gotten me no help for a small musical with 48 changes in it. Some very small; most changes are full costume though. I found I was being difficult when I said there just wasn't time. The worst part is that the changes weakened the visual dramatic impact but were more conventional. Now I want to write a little paper setting forth designer's professional standards. It isn't that I don't know what most are but I don't know if they are enumerated anywhere. Are they? Please help, both scholars and practitioners. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT a farewell.
Where do you find all the period/regional specific lists? Sylvia On Feb 25, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: Yeah, with all the period/regional specific email lists, I find that I too may be signing out Sg___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help Finding Theatrical Costumes
You should address this to The Costumers Manifesto email list. It's a Yahoo groups list. Sylvia On Feb 21, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Anthony Toohey wrote: Greetings: I just joined this list and the fantasy list at the beginning of the week as these were the only costume related forums I could find. I don't want to muddy up the list with off-topic stuff, so hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. I'm directing a play that takes place in the 1930's. Finding authentic costumes isn't proving difficult, HOWEVER, For one scene we need the actors to be able to do a quick change from plain grey to colorful tops while onstage, hopefully by throwing back a flap or cape/cloak of some sort. Is anyone here involved in theater costuming and has experience with this sort of thing? Or do you know where I can find this info? Any help is appreciated. Forgive me if this is a little off-topic. Thanks, Anthony Toohey The Stage Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question
Do you have any idea where one finds these instructions? I have a small online clothing business and put dry clean only on a lot of my tags. I'd like further information on the legalities. Sylrog On Feb 9, 2008, at 9:05 AM, monica spence wrote: Actually, with all due respect, that is not necessarily true. I worked in the garment industry for 25 years as a designer, patternmaker and technical desuigner. Most stores require testing as part of their Quality Assurance program.Part of that is Wash testing. The federal govermnent no longer lets manufacturers put a dry clean only tag on a garment. A manufacturer must allow the customer the ability to wash with specific directions (cold water, bleach, etc.. If a fabric/garment has been PROVEN to be damaged by the use of a specific thing (hot water, detergent, bleach, etc) then the MFG. can say on their tag Cold water only or Dry clean only etc. Mfgs no longer have the luxury of putting the Dry clean only tag on a garment because it is convenient or safe. I found this out the hard way when deakling with Nordstroms a few years ago. They INSISTED on putting Use dry bleach when necessary tag on their girl's swimwear. If it says Dry Clean only, follow the directions. Then if something happens, you can return it to the store, who will in turn send it to the Manufacturer. If you have improperly cleaned something, it is not necessarily the store's problem. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question monica spence wrote: I'd dry clean it. Rayon sometimes is not colorfast to washing. If the tag says dry clean, then dryclean. Most of the time the tag says dry clean because the manufacturer doesn't know how to clean it, and dry cleaning is safe. They are required by law to put care tags on the garments, but for many it is too much cost and effort to research the best method for a particular fabric or a line of clothing. So it says dry clean and they are covered. It's probably ok to hand wash it in cool water with a mild soap. If you are concerned about colorfastness, test swab it with a damp q-tip or cotton ball. Dry it in a rolled up towel, and press it on a very low iron setting. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies
I was referring to an actual book I have called Mr. Godey's Ladies. I realize it was a magazine.Since I posted the message, however, I think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning it though if anyone does happen to have the book. Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote: Hi, The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of the magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all the time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of sites that host collections of the images. Just google for them and you will get 100's Sidney On Jan 13, 2008 9:43 AM, Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have this book? I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63. I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn up in the back to form the pleats. If so, I can't figure out what holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong. It's from the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in. If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere. Do we have a place for this list to do so? Sylrog http://mail.indra.com/mailman/ listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies
My question concerns the description of the hood. I'm wondering what the top flap is for, other than pure decoration. I think the quote calls it a fauchon, whatever that is. The only thing I could figure out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over the top of the head. Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote: Hi, I have a copy... Chris Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was referring to an actual book I have called Mr. Godey's Ladies. I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning it though if anyone does happen to have the book. Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote: Hi, The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of the magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all the time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of sites that host collections of the images. Just google for them and you will get 100's - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies
So it's fanchon, not fauchon? Is that the part that turns back or the separate layer that goes over the top? On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:37 AM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: found the book and page: to me the curtaain seems to be fan-pleated with the fanchon (cuff) laid on from ear to ear. The pleating in the crown seems slightly rouched to cap the head. As you have suggested, there might be a lining in the head portion. In another similar hood in my collection, this inner cap is of wired straw, oval-shaped, and is set ear to ear. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies Does anyone have this book? I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63. I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn up in the back to form the pleats. If so, I can't figure out what holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong. It's from the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in. If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere. Do we have a place for this list to do so? Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies
What I ended up doing was to pattern a large hood, then draw it up in pleats to fit the head at the nape of the neck. I used a ribbon to hold the pleats in place with the ends tying under the neck. At first I had thought the ribbons extended from the bottom of the cuff or brim but I see in the sketch that the ends of such brim are free, so I figured the ribbon ties must be coming from the pleated area. I am making the hood to go with an old mid 19th c outfit I built years ago for use now in a workshop I'm giving. I was going to make a bonnet but I haven't been able to find one that shows the basic understructure from that period and they all look made out of straw anyhow. Does anyone know, for future reference, of any patterns for bonnets from this period? Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Chris wrote: Ok, here's what the book says The hood 'opposite' if intended for winter wear or a sea voyage. It is of dark brown, green, or blue silk; the upper point or fauchon, the curtain and the brim, trimmed with quilling of ribbon the same shade. It is becomming as well as servicable shape, and the short, round corners make it decidely new. So, from what I see, the 'fauchon' looks like it's just what you say, to cover the center seam of the hood. www.victorianmillinery.com has a picture of one/pattern, but it doesn't show the back... I'll peruse the other books I have and see if I can find something better. Do you need a copy of this picture? I can scan it at work tomorrow and send it to you. Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question concerns the description of the hood. I'm wondering what the top flap is for, other than pure decoration. I think the quote calls it a fauchon, whatever that is. The only thing I could figure out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over the top of the head. Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote: Hi, I have a copy... Chris Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I was referring to an actual book I have called Mr. Godey's Ladies. I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning it though if anyone does happen to have the book. Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote: Hi, The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of the magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all the time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies
Does anyone have this book? I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63. I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn up in the back to form the pleats. If so, I can't figure out what holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong. It's from the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in. If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere. Do we have a place for this list to do so? Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric
I wonder if you could use whitening products that are made for protein fibers. I forget the names as I havent used them for awhile. Dharma Trading or Pro Chem can tell you. Sylrog On Jan 7, 2008, at 6:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a related note: What do I do about white fur that has yellowed? Bleaches are somewhat safe to use on celulosic fibers (cotton, linen), but bleach dissolves protein fibers (silk, wool). Furthermore, furs are difficult to clean, because immersion can be a very bad idea. But there's a couple hundred dollars' of ermine in the collar I made two years ago, and it has turned a rather unattractive shade of yellow. What on earth do I do? Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric
I've heard lemon juice works. Sylrog \ On Jan 7, 2008, at 5:21 PM, J A Urbik wrote: Ok, here is the story. I offered to make the christening gown for a friend who just had a kid. His wife said no-no, we have a family gown! I said ok, less work for me, thats nice. The christening is on the 20th of this month, and just today they pulled out the family gown and instantly called me to ask how do we get the yellow out of the fabric? It is, they believe, made out of fine cotton batiste, with lace and such. no idea what the lace is made of, I have never seen the dress, as it has just been pulled out of storage. So, ideas for me to tell them about how to get the fabric back to white, does anybody have ideas for me to tell them? I told them that I don't think there is much you can do, but i do remember this list having threads on this topic, i just am not finding them right away. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] shrunken wool
I would just try wetting it and reblocking it if it hasn't felted. Did you hand wash it in cold water and lay flat to dry? If so, it may be all right. Sylrog On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Suzanne wrote: Is it merely shrunken? Or did it go all the way to felted? Years ago, I heard of an old country remedy for slightly-shrunken sweaters -- you soak the sweater in a solution of epsom salts and then carefully re-block it. But I never tried it and I can't remember the proportions Does anyone know what I'm talking about??? Good luck! Suzanne From: Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 4, 2008 2:17:39 AM CST To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] FW: Shrunken wool Reply-To: Historical Costume h-costume@mail.indra.com _ I accidentally washed a wool sweater and it shrank. Is there any cure to stretch it out again? Sharon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume
Why does everyone think that's cheating? Why should you have to make a new costume every year? Heck, I make costumes and clothing for everyone else all year long so I never have time to make anything for myself. I would be thrilled to have any costume to wear on Halloween. For about 5 years now I've been wanting to make a Norma Desmond costume from Sunset Blvd for myself--complete with the pinkie cigarette holder, sunglasses and chin strap she wears to bed, but I've never had time. Maybe next year... Sylrog On Oct 31, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Shane Sheridan wrote: I did not have time to put together the costume I wanted to this year, so I 'cheated' and used a dance costume - Hand embroidered caftan (Palestine style), black turban and about 10 lbs of Afghan jewelry. Everyone loved it, but I was feeling somewhat cheated. :0) Now I'm wearing a skull dress, and purple dreadfalls, and am about to go to the pub for supper and a drink. Sheridan P. - Original Message - From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume I know I'm not the only one... I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice too! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: NYC Fashion District
Anyone know if this is true in the Los Angeles garment district as well? I haven't been there since before 9/11.It's gotten very difficult for us theatrical costume designers to find the fabrics we need anymore for our productions. Sylrog On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:52 AM, monica spence wrote: The remaining downtown stores -- what few they are -- are around West Broadway. The 9/11 attacks have been devastating to the garment industry. Today, most of the industry is off-shore (China, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia--- you know, the garden spots of the world where they employ child and slave labor and pay 38 cents a day... But I digress.) The fabric stores were hardest hit because so few people sew now, and whatever suppliers they had in the US textile the industry has dries up. There are a few nice stores on 39th over by 8th ave. But they are very expensive. Monica Works in Manhatten teaching fashion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: NYC Fashion District Penny wrote: What are some of the names of the main streets in NYC fashion district? I am working on a 1905 jobber's pocket manual that lists various fashion related businesses, retailers, manufacturers, and mills east of the Mississippi River. I am just wondering if the streets list for businesses, etc. is what is called the fashion district today. Some of the locations are 300-500 blocks of Broadway, Worth St., Green St., Leonard St. and White St. These are not in the current Garment District. Some of these areas did still have fabric stores as late as 2001 (stopped working downtown after the attacks and I haven't been back). The Garment District is Westside upper 30's from Broadway over to 8th/9th Avenues. The Broadway addresses would be around 1400. Nancy ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem
I tried spot remover, a laundry pretreater like Shout, and Zout. Has anyone tried Oxyclean? On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: What things have you tried? Simple Green works well on dissolving automotive oil My son's basketball got smeared by rolling under a car and it was the only stuff to get it off. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] cleaning problem I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the list often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I thought I'd see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has been through the wash twice and treated with spot removers and other stuff and still remains. I may have to give up on it but I thought I'd see if someone has had good luck with some product haven't tried. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online
Those are awesome, Bjarne. Thanks for sharing. Wish I could understand the description. Sylrog On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are on wiev on the danish costume museum. http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of the costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern cuts and also zoom in Have fun! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] cleaning problem
I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the list often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I thought I'd see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has been through the wash twice and treated with spot removers and other stuff and still remains. I may have to give up on it but I thought I'd see if someone has had good luck with some product haven't tried. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem
That won't bleach the fabric? It's not white. On Oct 21, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Kenet Muir wrote: Have you tried getting the stain wet with warm water then rubbing baking soda into it mixed with hydrogen peroxide? Let it sit for half and hour then wash as usual. I found that it worked with chocolate that had been through the wash several times. Kenet --- Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the list often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I thought I'd see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has been through the wash twice and treated with spot removers and other stuff and still remains. I may have to give up on it but I thought I'd see if someone has had good luck with some product haven't tried. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cutting for all
Isn't Kevin on this list? Maybe not. I know his name from theatre. I heard him speak at a USITT conference several years ago. He was quite knowledgeable. I would be interested in reading this book. Sylrog On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Does anyone know anything about this book? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0809320061/thecostumersmani Zuzana __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests
I didn't thing tuxedos came in for evening wear until about the 1920s. They look wrong to me for 1890s. Sylrog On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Miss Manners has covered the evolution of tails and the tuxedo--try one of her earlier etiquette books.? Tuxedos were definitely informal when first developed, so your characters should probably be wearing tails.? I think the white tie and tails had been codified by then, to include the starched front shirt and white pique waistcoat, but I could be wrong. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:32 am Subject: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests My students are designing a production of Dracula (1897) and are required to do research and designs for the costumes. There has been a lot of discussion of vest colors and appropriate coats for various occasions. I learned (Esquire Book of Men's Clothing, mostly) that the rule of thumb is white tie and vest with tails, black tie and vest with tux. A man in black tie and tails would be a servant ie butler or waiter. So my students have found a lot of research contrary to what my assumption was. I have seen pictures of white vest and black tie with tails, white vest and white tie with tuxedos, black vest and tie with tails on gentlemen who would never be mistaken for servants and all other permutations. The research they have found is secondary, meaning drawings from the period rather than actual photographs. Have I been wrong all these years? Also, it was my understanding that tuxedos were not considered proper in the presence of ladies. Tails were required for those occasions, although I do understand that this convention gradually faded away. Can someone elucidate me? Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ _ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ideas
On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Danielle M. Dewey wrote: I bought the set from Bed, Bath Beyond a few years ago when I was with my highschool sweetheart still, My husband and I have a queen size bed and even if we had a king I would not want to use the same bedding as with my ex, Really? That thought has never even crossed my mind. Not that I sleep around, mind you. Not any more, anyhow. That was decades ago. Now I'm lucky if I can get my cats into bed with me. Sylrog this is why I want to cut them up. Everyone is giving me wonderful ideas thank you. On 10/10/07, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/? action=viewcurrent=GREENTEA3.jpg The sheet set shown in the third pic is not the one I already used I can still make something out of that. I think the sheets would make a lovely kimono, if you really want to cut them up. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·´¨) ¸.·*¨). (¸.·´ (¸.·´ .·´ .·´ ¸.·*`·~»*~Danielle~*»~ (¸.·´ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Kinko's Ignorance
I'm a bit confused. Are you asking Kinkos to make copies for you or are they walking around policing people to see what they are making copies of by themselves? Sylrog On Oct 7, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey wrote: Lord, yes Kinko's staff has ABSOLUTELY NO understanding of fair use. As a matter of fact, most of the time, they have it exactly backwards. I have been Repeatedly told by Kinko staff that if I was making multiple copies for classroom use, it would be all right, but since I only wanted one copy for personal use, they could not allow me to make the copy. Once, a costumer friend wanted to make an outfit from a cover of Analog. We didn't want to haul the issue around. (Which I own.) Kinko's brain dead staff insisted that the copyright notice for the SFBC ad back cover art meant that Stan Schmidt's permission to make 1 color enlargement for the purpose of verifying the fabric trim colors was invalid. headcounter They have refused to let me make bw reductions of original artwork for me to file with my home insurance policy. I wanted to get the sales receipt the image onto the same sheet. Can you imagine a more innocuous purpose? Don't believe ANYTHING a Kinko staffer tells you about copyright law! Mary Piero Carey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Wow! When you said they aren't cheap, I had no idea you meant they cost a fortune! They look great, but way out of my price range which would be less than a tenth of that. I'd have to teach for the next 40 years and I'm sure I won't be alive that long. Thanks for the info though. Sylrog On Oct 5, 2007, at 5:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/4/2007 10:03:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So it sounds like I'm ok, since I work for an educational institution, huh? Sylrog Sylvia, There are ready-made sets available. They aren't cheap, but they save you all the trouble. Check out _http://www.slidepresentationsdvd.com/_ (http://www.slidepresentationsdvd.com/) I'm sure such an investment depends on many times you or your institution intend this class to be taught, but it seems to me it might be well worth while. Ann Wass ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ancient Egyptian garment
Thanks Heather and all the rest who responded. I did get the pics and info from one or more of you and was able to share them with my class. Sylvia On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:02 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I thought I had saved it but now I can't find the article someone posted about an ancient beaded Egyptian dress that was discovered some time ago. It included a photo of the garment. I wanted to show my class. Anyone have the link, if it still exists? There are a couple of dresses (or fragments of dresses) of this type that I've run across. At the moment I'm away from home, so going off what's on the computer, it's cited in Hall 1981 which I think must be: Hall, Rosalind. 1981. Fishing-net dreses in the Petrie Museum in Göttinger Miszellen: 42:36-46. But also in: Hall, Rosalind. 1986. Egyptian Textiles. Shire Publications, Aylesbury. ISBN 0-85263-800-0 which is more likely to have a color photo. Heather ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
So it sounds like I'm ok, since I work for an educational institution, huh? Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Likewise, educational use legally applies to education that takes place within educational institutions, and not to an individual reading any book he or she may find informative (which after all applies to every nonfiction work). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
I agree. Can we not try to insult one another and start flame wars? Sylrob On Oct 4, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: Wow - that was harsh! Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:36 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Robin Netherton wrote: Certainly, copying a whole book is a violation. But I've occasionally resorted to Xeroxing books that are technically in copyright, when they're out of print or otherwise unavailable and I need to refer to them longer than ILL will let me. In the one chance in a million that the copyright owners in these cases wander into my private office and find the copies in my files, I'll take my lumps. (Given the books in question, though, I suspect the authors would more likely be amazed that would go to such lengths to get them.) Ah: So you think anything you wish to do and that benefits you is ethical as long as you don't get caught? I don't leave my purse, or any other property, unattended around people with attitudes like that. Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens every day in every university library and Kinko's. Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every day, somewhere, it's OK for you to commit any of them? I don't even want to be in the room with people who have ethics like that. Who knows what they'd feel OK about doing. Somehow, I manage to do research--although there's so much grandstanding, exaggeration, and sheer bullshit about research and scholarship in reenactment communities I try not to mention it much--without violating copyrights. This is greatly facilitated by actually buying the books, and yes I also buy rare books. I'm not sure how the law would cover independent lectures that are characterized as classes but not within the walls of an institution. Then since you're giving such lectures, don't you think you should find out for sure? There are also a number of other legal guidelines, including using only small portions of a work and a small number of works, having the need arise when there is not enough time to purchase the publications, and others. Copyright law, overall, is full of exceptions, loopholes, conflicting precedents, and argument. Some lines are clearer than others, though. Not fully understanding it does not give you license to do whatever you'd like. I should also note that I generally agree with Fran on issues of copyright, and I would encourage her to read my posts with a consideration of the context of the conversation. OK, so we're using the third person now, not addressing each other. So: I don't think from the above comments that Robin and I are in agreement about copyright law. I'd encourage Robin to read some books on it. Nolo Press has a good selection. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Moderator?
I think this list needs a moderator to keep things from getting out of hand as they are now. Insults should be posted privately, I think. Let's all try to be as polite as we would be in person--assuming we are! ;-) Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Good idea, but I'd really like mostly primary sources. I'll check out Dover though. Thanx. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 2:16 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: It depends on how historically accurate you want the images to be, but Dover Books have several books of costume images that come with cds containing all of the images in several different formats. The books have Tom Tierney and Braun Schneider illustrations. This shows a few: http://store.doverpublications.com/0486996190.html Teena Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Yes, but then I have to search all over the web to find what I want. Do you know one or two good online sources? I'm talking history from ancient Mesopotamia up to the present. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, monica spence wrote: Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
I know what you mean. I'm trying to do a very brief overview of history in my costume and fashion industry class and I just don't have time for all this this semester. Maybe I can work on it over winter break. As it is, the job pays so poorly that I end up making about $5 an hour with even a minimum amount of prep time. Gotta start looking for a better teaching job, although at my age, I doubt I can find one. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 9:28 AM, monica spence wrote: Depends opn the period--- I teach the same thing. It took weeks, months to get them to where I was happy. I don't know if there are any short-cuts. Do one a week and you'll be fine. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Yes, but then I have to search all over the web to find what I want. Do you know one or two good online sources? I'm talking history from ancient Mesopotamia up to the present. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, monica spence wrote: Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
I have a scanner but it only works with my old computer and to transfer images to my laptop or burn cds doesn't work. Why I hadn't thought of that at this point, beats me. Guess I just need to buy a new scanner. Thanks for bringing that up, although I do recall when I used to use the scanner I have it didn't print book photos very well. I can't remember if they looked better on the computer. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Dawn wrote: Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. Use a scanner. It's much easier to get a good image than with a camera. You can find them anywhere, computer stores, department stores, office supply, and they start under $100 -- sometimes under $50. If you're going to be using it to take many pictures, it may be a worthwhile investment. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Does one need permission just to take pics to show for a class? There's no way I am going to try to do that for all the books I'm copying out of. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: Be sure you make sure that the pics are not under copywrite, though - or get permission first. Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
But I'm not publishing the photos I copy. You keep using the word publish. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: It seems to me you only need permission if you're making money directly off the image. A common misconception, but it's not true. Whether or not you use the image to make money (or even if you just charge money to cover the expenses of publishing and don't make anything) is irrelevant to whether you have the right to publish the image in the first place. (If that doesn't make sense, consider that if you give away my work for free, you are still potentially damaging my ability to earn money from my own work, if I so choose. You have also violated my right to control or even prohibit the distribution of my work, which is independent of monetary issues.) Another common misconception: As long as you give credit by naming the creator, you can publish it without asking permission. Not true. That frees you from a charge of plagiarism, but not from copyright restrictions. That said, if you don't ask for money and you give credit, and you get called into court, the fact that you showed good intent and didn't profit may reduce or eliminate the amount of money the court makes you pay. --Robin _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] costume photos
Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Safe Sex dres - and 500 Evening Gowns/Wearable Art
At least, if you wear it on a date, you're always prepared! On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:19 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_mar2006/SafeSexDress.htm This dress reminded me of a request for submissions for Lark Publications 500 Evening Gowns/Wearable Art. http://www.larkbooks.com/submissions/ArtistsEntryForms.asp I thought some of you might just be intersted! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Victorian costume collection
Have you contacted any costume rental shops in Toronto? I would think some of them would love to have your collection, which looks great to me. Sylrog On Sep 17, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Kathy Page wrote: Where are you? Sylvia I am about an hour's drive west of Toronto, Ontario. But I'm happy to ship to anywhere in the world. :-) I just realised that my soon-to-be ex had uploaded all of my portfolio to his Picasa account, thinking I needed a copy. I had them in my drive, but this is a convenient mistake: http://picasaweb.google.com/49victor/KathySCostuming It's not sorted yet, and I don't currently have access to the account to do any sorting. Any men's wear, children's wear or anything pre-1600 is not for sale. Anything else I will consider. Although I would really like to keep my hoop dress, the right price will sell it. I can always make another one. I am so sorry to hear that. Where do you live? I can paint/sew, etc. and would be happy to help. I'm pretty good with tools, too. Comes from years as a theatre tech. For the costumes: This was posted on Tribe Lost Colony buildings destroyed in fire snip Sharon Hm I wonder if I called to offer my collection, we could come to an arrangement. Thanks for the offer. If you were anywhere near me, I'd have you here in a heartbeat. :-) I have so much to do, all little annoying things, some need professionals. My SIL is a lighting engineer and interior designer that used to stage houses for realtors, so as far as that goes, I have a good consultant. We are having a grand time spending his money to fix the house he no longer lives in. ;-) Have you heard the one about the woman whose husband and new girlfriend/wife wanted to move into her home, which she couldn't afford now he had dumped her? She put fresh shrimp in the hollow curtain rods and moved out. *L* Yes, I have heard it. I thought about pushing a chunk of roadkill into the mattress, but I'd have to find a way of opening a seam, then replacing it without being noticeable. I just thought my perfume would be nauseating enough to him that he won't sleep well. This is the stuff that he said not long ago he liked because it reminded him of me. And incidentally, my mother bought me so m st going to spray, smear and powder that damned thing until it reeks, then package it up in plastic, looking like I am being pleasant and efficient. It'll be too late by the time he gets it to his cozy, furnished and convenient little basement apartment that he'll be stuck with it. He can't afford to buy a new one now, anyway. The smell will go away - eventually. Yes, I am evil! Kathy ~who's ex thinks my making comments in an email about cold beds is funny. He didn't see my face when I wrote it~ Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you to their own image. Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Victorian costume collection
Where are you? Sylvia On Sep 16, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Kathy Page wrote: Well, things have certainly changed around my house lately. I am down by a husband and up by twice the responsibility of home and child. Bit of a surprise for me; interesting 12th anniversary present - he got a new girlfriend. I also have the additional job of being chief decorator and interior schlep for this monstrosity, on top of trying to find myself gainful, on-the-books work if I am going to have any shot in hell of keeping this house. If I can't find something that will pay the bills, I have to sell it. In the very likely event that will happen, I have to redecorate and repair everything I had been nagging him to do for years as it was, only with less money and time. Now I am not likely to ever enjoy the fruits of these labours. That being said, I have this huge collection of Victorian/Edwardian, and a smidge of American Confed costuming that *really* needs a home now. I can't afford to have it taking up space, and now that I have to pay for a divorce, I could use the money. So much for that special make-me-feel-better-about-me stuff I was going to do with that money one day. *sigh* Anyway, if anyone knows of a venue that could purchase my stuff, I would be happy for the leads. I have now become very negotiable on the prices. Off to pour my perfume all over the mattress he wants to take from the house. Hope she likes my choices. Heh, hope he can live with his. ;-) Kathy ~bitter? nooohohohoo...~ Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you to their own image. Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers ahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] fashion design materials
I know this is a costume email list but I am unaware of any fashion design lists (if someone knows of one, please fill me in). I believe a few of you teach fashion as well as costume, and I'm looking for a book that is specifically related to the subject of designing fashion commercially. Not the theory behind design, not rendering, but the actual steps taken by a commercial fashion designer when designing a line or collection of clothes for a manufacturer. I'm teaching a class on the costume and fashion industries and most of my experience is in theatrical costuming. I have a great book already on the fashion industry and all its facets, but I want to outline the entire procedure a clothing fashion designer takes and I've only worked in the garment industry as a patternmaker. Anyone know of such a work? Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Life magazine from 1939 and 1952
I would, if you havent already gotten a bunch of replies. Sylvia On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Mary wrote: In cleaning out the vault at work I came across two issues of Life Magazines from 1939 and 1952. The cover article for the 1952 is the The $3 Billion Wedding Business. There are some neat pictures of crinolines thought the one of a guy messing with a silk dress while smoking is scary. The ads in both issues are facinating. Would anyone be interested in these? My boss is entirely unsentimental and I don't have room at home to take on another era. Cheers, Mary ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Prices in 1957
I don't think China was making Western fashions for export in the 1950s. On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Linda Rice wrote: Naturally price could vary quite a bit, just as today. (Off the rack from China vs. designer or custom made) Here's one site that might be useful. Note the wedding dress price is for sample dresses, so may not be very accurate. http://www.gti.net/mocolib1/prices/1958.html ::Linda:: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 Would anyone know of a resource for finding the prices of things in 1957? I'm not looking for a current value but what something would have cost in 1957. Specifically a cocktail length wedding dress?? My in-laws are having their 50th annv. in 2 weeks and the kids want to prepare a card where the punchline is 50 years together, priceless. They are trying to find the cost of typical wedding items from this year for the rest of the bit. For some reason they thought I would know about the dress :). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moliere
Wouldnt the skits have more understructure? I forget what they wore under them in this period but it seems they should be sticking out a bit more. Sylrog On Jul 27, 2007, at 11:04 AM, MaggiRos wrote: The skirts sure seem to be a skimping on fabric. MaggiRos --- otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/8.jpg.html?hint=group http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/13.jpg.html? hint=group not my area of interest but the costumes seem to be close to the era depicted. You may be right about the same style, though the first picture the woman on the left end is different. -Original Message- So, has anyone seen this yet? The trailer is not promising costume-wise. Indeed, the women's gowns look like they are all the same dress in different fabrics. ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
