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As someone who has minimal interest in the issue and who has spent far
too much time reading postings on this, I will note
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:19:25 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you have any actual examples you can propose to us all. I would prefer an
official one, one which refers to products on the same hardware platform - a
reasonable restriction surely - and hence an example which can be
Bill
Comments are embedded.
Chris Mason
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Moral of the story: Acronyms are VERY MUCH context-sensitive. If we can
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I guess it's not so much fun anymore!
Please! PLEASE! Take this elsewhere
Please kill this thread.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
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But I'm puzzled. As far as I can see you are using upward pointing arrows
to
highlight *two* mistakes. I obviously
In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:59:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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Please kill this thread.
Amen, brother! Say Hallelujah!
Perhaps the true believers [1] and heretics [2] could continue their
discussions about that three-letter string only with each other and
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Please kill this thread.
Amen, brother! Say Hallelujah!
Perhaps the true believers [1] and heretics [2] could continue their
discussions about that three-letter string only with each other and offline.
There are now two votes
Make it 4!
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On 11 Jul 2007 09:03:04 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Dean
Sometimes I can't see the words for the letters!
...trying to hold back a force of nature. ;-)
I don't believe most people who use USS for UNIX System Services believe
they are using official IBM terminology - but I
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This thread deserves to die, I suspect indeed that it were better
stillborn.
unsnip--
Maybe I can inject a little humor into the death throes:
A very fine lady was invited aboard a US Navy ship, to a reception
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Chris Mason wrote:
Radoslav
[...]
Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I may as well
improve your knowledge by pointing
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Chris,
Thanks for acknowledging and supporting my point. Discussions on this
list are certainly not official IBM communications. I believe,
therefore, we should
: Monday, June 25, 2007 5:46 PM
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I'm going to do this to inject a little levity (I hope)...
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Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I
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Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Phil
But I'm puzzled. As far as I can see you are using upward pointing arrows
to
highlight *two* mistakes. I obviously can see fort - now - but your
arrows
do not identify it - even when copied to a file with non-proportional
font.
I can't see to what the other arrows refer.
The phrase If you
I guess it's not so much fun anymore!
Please! PLEASE! Take this elsewhere!
The above statement is correct!
It's not fun, anymore!
This is about mainframes, NOT religious wars on abbreviations!
Maybe this is why IBM is attempting another forum?
Ad hominem attacks do not belong here (or on any
In a message dated 6/30/2007 11:34:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
an IBM developer has, in effect, had to rap the redbook authors on the
knuckles for talking about an
unofficial command thereby indicating how the redbook authors are
independent of IBM
This thread deserves to die, I suspect indeed that it were better stillborn.
Acronyms are context-sensitive. No one can appropriate 'USS' as an acronym
for a single phrase.
Even word denotations are context-sensitive. The word 'pen' can denote (1)
a writing instrument, (2) an enclosure
snip
All that anyone can assert responsibly is that in some context he thinks
first of some particular denotation of a term t or an acronym A. Sometimes
many others will agree with him, but widespread disagreement with his
judgment establishes ipso facto that t or A is ambiguous.
John
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at 03:43 PM, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm all for correct terminology and precise communication, but in
this case it sounds like this is more of a TLA collision than an
incorrect term per se.
IBM maintains a list of official acronyms. That
Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Phil Smith - who initiated, albeit unwittingly, this fresh eruption - claims
rather oddly for a denizen of IBM-MAIN - that he is not a z/OS person.
One could, if one were so inclined, venture to suggest that anyone who thinks
that IBM Mainframe implies z/OS
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And please be aware that your problem
of The Mikado
so I certainly wouldn't let you behind my back!
Chris Mason
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wish to promote anarchy after all.
Chris Mason
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And then, when they point you to a PTF that will fix your problem, it
will probably have a comment in it like this one:
PROBLEM DESCRIPTION(S):
OA12191
Chris Mason wrote:
Radoslav
[...]
Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I may as well
improve your knowledge by pointing out that it's Unformatted with
two ts.
[...]
I'm Radoslaw (Radosław in fact) and I don't use spell checker for my e-mails. 'unformated' was a typo, I'm
Chris,
Thanks for acknowledging and supporting my point. Discussions on this
list are certainly not official IBM communications. I believe,
therefore, we should be as free to use USS as an abbreviation for Unix
Systems Services as the folks who write IBM's APARs. Freer, in fact.
I also
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Chris Mason wrote:
[ lots of stuff ]
[ snip ]
I read all the posts, including yours. A lot of text.
Actually I have other duties as well, so I did not pay to
much attention to each of them. Now I'm trying
I'm going to do this to inject a little levity (I hope)...
Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I may as well
improve
your knowledge by pointing out that it's Unformatted with two ts.
Please do me the
Greg Shirey wrote:
And then, when they point you to a PTF that will fix your problem, it
will probably have a comment in it like this one:
PROBLEM DESCRIPTION(S):
OA12191 -
I generally let the incorrect use of USS go by - *if* there's no
risk of confusion with the correct use.
Not again, please! Do it offline or search the archive.
Enough has been said about that.
Peter Hunkeler
CREDIT SUISSE
UNIX System Services. I would have expected you to care
about that at least!
Chris Mason
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And please be aware that your problem reports may be misrouted if you use
USS rather than UNIX System Services. I would have expected you to care
about that at least!
Chris,
Most of us open PMRs via IBMLINK - when it is
And then, when they point you to a PTF that will fix your problem, it
will probably have a comment in it like this one:
PROBLEM DESCRIPTION(S):
OA12191 -
Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I generally let the incorrect use of USS go by - *if* there's no risk of
confusion with the correct use.
snippage
This is fun, and enlightening. Ah, I looked up the pedantry thread in my
Deleted Items; I didn't read it at the time because it was talking
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:43:57 -0400, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any case, and at the risk of retreading old ground, I'd like to know
what the official short form of z/OS UNIX System Services is. Surely there
is one?
z/OS UNIX
This is what I try to use - especially when posting
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:43:57 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
... z/Linux ... verboten (for legal reasons ... ).
It is? What legal reasons?
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On 6/23/07, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... z/Linux ... verboten (for legal reasons ... ).
It is? What legal reasons?
Back then, someone else owned the trademark. But since your rights to
a trademark vanish when you don't use it, I would not be surprised if
that problem
Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:43:57 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
... z/Linux ... verboten (for legal reasons ... ).
It is? What legal reasons?
Well, Turbo did have the trademark, but it's officially marked as abandoned
in the USPTO database. But legal is
exactly who WAS the captain of the USS Heresy? Sulu? Chekov?
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It seems hardly credible that you ally yourself with this belief given the
exposure the topic so often has in this forum. This explains Ted's response
incidentally.
I generally let the incorrect use of USS go by - *if* there's no risk of
confusion with the correct use.
However, in a
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