Re: Hitachi to Deliver New Mainframe Based on IBM z Systems in Japan

sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > I probably disagree with Binyamin about who implemented 31-bit support > when. Wikipedia Japan says that VOS3/ES1, the first 31-bit version of VOS3, > shipped in March, 1985. IBM's MVS/XA shipped at least as early as 1982. (It > was announced in

Re: The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison

dcrayf...@gmail.com (David Crayford) writes: > It's a risky business migrating large systems and many have failed. I > know of one bank that spent $350M trying and they failed > miserably. There are just so many complexities and it's just too hard > for most. > I heard an amusing analogy that it's

Re: The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison

mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > S/370 operating systems and Linux on System Z can be run on Hercules > on a small PC. max z196 config with 80 processors was rated at 50BIPS and went for $30M. Last published peak I/O benchmark was for z196 with 104 FICONs (running over 104 fibre

Re: SDB (system determined Blksize)

r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) writes: > Just curious: the formulas can give fractional values. How to round them? > OK, I assume the physrec/trk should be rounded down, but what about D? remember CKD disks haven't been manufactured for decades, all being simulated on industry standard

Re: Migration off Mainframe to other platform

Tom Longfellow writes: > Let the pedantry begin: Superdome, Xeon, Rack servers, Blades, etc. > For this discussion they are all the same: A separately maintained set > of many boxes (with some virtualization to extend their reach) versus > the Great Satan, called

Re: Ransomware on Mainframe application ?

mainfr...@bigendiansmalls.com (Chad Rikansrud) writes: > As Charles pointed out - the hypothetical attack is about just taking > over the privileged user's PC and launching from there. when corporations first started using VPN software over internet into corporate sites ... we pointed out trivial

Re: Check out New Wave of Ransom Threats Seen in Unprecedented Attack - Bloomberg

000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > Anyone can take anyone to court. That's not the question. As [a] Civil > Procedure professor said, "You can sue the Bishop of Boston for > bastardy. But can you collect?" (Origin obscure.) when I first moved to boston area

Re: Ransomware on Mainframe application ?

trivia from long ago and far away, gone 404, but lives on at the way back machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20090117083033/http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml I didn't learn about them until much later. As undergraduate did lots of work on IBM software and I would

Re: Ransomware on Mainframe application ?

000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > A recurrent question in these fora is, "How can I make links appearing > in documents viewed in a mainframe editor active?" Cbttape.org > probably has an answer. Or an ISV. > > Many years ago, when the risks of TCP/IP were

Re: Terminology - Datasets

jesse1.robin...@sce.com (Jesse 1 Robinson) writes: > I have a rather jaundiced view. Every time the word 'legacy' rings, an > angel in heaven is entitled to use the word 'weenie-ware' one more > time. > > Since the term 'data set' (is it one or two words?) is pretty much > confined to mainframe,

Re: Vendor Licensing Frustrations

jesse1.robin...@sce.com (Jesse 1 Robinson) writes: > Unfortunately legislative bodies are dominated by lawyers, especially > in the U.S. Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX), Congress's blunderbuss response to > the Enron debacle, achieves maximum burden with minimal protection. A > classic case of lawyers

Re: Old hardware

d10j...@us.ibm.com (Jim Mulder) writes: > It may depend on which types of risks are being considered. For > example, would you consider it risky to run a stable but unsupported > version of Windows on a machine which is connected to the internet, > since no new security fixes are being provided

Re: Old hardware

kees.verno...@klm.com (Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1) writes: > It sounds like when I started my job, with SVS on 370/158-168 > machines. When during IBM courses the teacher asked what we systems we > were using and I said we also had 2 360/65's running, everybody turned > to see where I came

Re: Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory

d10j...@us.ibm.com (Jim Mulder) writes: > it might be faster to read it from the DB2 data set, because DB2 > (via Media Manager) uses zHPF, but z/OS has not been enhanced to > use zHPF for page data sets. in 1980, I got con'ed into doing channel-extender for STL that was moving 300 people from

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > 7. VP/CSS, developed by National CSS, was an evolution of CP/CMS. VP/CSS > had some efficiency advantages back in the 1970s. early comercial online service bureau spin-offs of science center were NCSS & IDC ... both enhanced CP-67/CMS. IDC then

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

bill.hitefi...@dino-software.com (Bill Hitefield) writes: > Perhaps I did not accurately read the introductory post for this > topic, but if we are considering 360 and its descendants, I am > surprised no one has mentioned either SVS or VS1 (though I did see > where MVS was mentioned). One of my

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > 4. I don't think anybody mentioned VM/IX and IX/370 yet, from > Interactive Systems Corporation (ISC). Those were different than > AIX/370 and AIX/ESA, based on Locus Computing's work. Bell Labs had a > UNIX operating system for System/370 even before

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

dbo...@sinenomine.net (David Boyes) writes: > What about things like RSCS v1? I think it could run on bare metal in > its early days (morphed later into becoming GCS-dependent in RSCS v2). Original CPREMOTE ... straight point-to-point might run on bare metal ... but vnet/rscs used for the

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

ste...@copper.net (Steve Thompson) writes: > And there was ASPEN (code name?) that was an "MVS" like O/S that > Amdahl had. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#75 Mainframe operating systems? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#76 Mainframe operating systems?

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

0041d919e708-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Thomas Kern) writes: > When I started working on contract to NASA at the Goddard Institute for > Space Studies in NYC, June 1976, they ran Scientific Supervisory > System/360 (SSS/360) on an IBM 360/95 and a copy under VM/370 R3 on an > Amdahl

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

p...@voltage.com (Phil Smith) writes: > Ah, UTS. Forgot that one! DPPX/370 is its own thing; sounds like BOS > and TOS, and ?maybe RTOS? should go in the VSE bucket, no? TSS, yeah, > forgot that one, too! re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#75 Mainframe operating system? After Houston,

Re: Mainframe operating systems?

p...@voltage.com (Phil Smith) writes: > Today's random wondering: how many operating systems can folks remember > having run on S/360 and descendants? I can think of: > > OS/360 (including MFT, MVT, MVS, up thru z/OS, including MSP and VOS3) > VM (CP/40 up thru z/VM) > DOS (or did it start as

Re: Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory

000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Tom Marchant) writes: > Are you suggesting that before DB2 references a page containing a > buffer, it checks to see if it is paged out? And that if it is paged out, > it doesn't use the record in the buffer, but instead reads it into a >

Re: Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory

ibmsysp...@ibm-sys-prog.com (Avram Friedman) writes: > While they do not grow in in perfect lock step The presence of Big ass > memory comes with big ass dasd volumes (these are the technical terms > of course) Do you know 3350's and 2314s were once used as paging > devices? For that matter do

Re: Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory

l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > The "dup" issue was if aggregate 3880-11 wasn't much larger than > processor memory, then nearly every page in 3880-11 would also in > processor memory. The converse if a page was needed not in processor > memory, then it

Re: Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory

t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes: > Not quite sure what you're saying. The old, constrained-memory > technique was usually to issue a variable (Vx) GETMAIN, specifying the > minimum required size as the low bound, and the maximum useful as the > high. Then the system returns the actual

Re: What are mainframes

dcrayf...@gmail.com (David Crayford) writes: > On a z13 that's stretching plausibility to breaking point! last several mainframe generations haven't even bothered to give rate, just relative to previous generation: z900, 16 processors, 2.5BIPS (156MIPS/proc), Dec2000 z990, 32 processors, 9BIPS,

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > 3090 added vector processing as part of playing in the supercomputer > market ... however that required that they also be able to support > 100mbyte/sec (and/or 1gbit/sec) I/O. 3090 was barely able to get up to > 4.5mbyte/sec trans

Re: CPU Timerons/Seconds vs Wall-clock Time

vbc...@gmail.com (Vince Coen) writes: > A M/F may not break down CPU time between system and the application > depending on O/S used. as undergraduate in the 60s, I remember rewritting some CP/67 (precursor to vm370) so that it world accurately account for all time. More than a decade later I saw

Re: 360 announce day

000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > Not in that article, but I see: > http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/mainframe-computers/7/161 > > ... — six computers with a performance range of 50 to 1, ... > > Did they follow Grosch's Law: "There is a

Re: FW: What are mainframes

dbo...@sinenomine.net (David Boyes) writes: > Which is still alive and well and in production use at dozens of > sites. It’s now supported on System z hardware as well. AFS offers a > lot of cool stuff that make continuous availability a reality on > relatively cheap hardware. It implements a

360 announce day

360 announce day http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PR360.html -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: What are mainframes

rpin...@firsttennessee.com (PINION, RICHARD W.) writes: > I hacked my phone, installed Hercules, installed MVS 3.8, and > now my phone is controlled by MVS. > > But, I'm sure the Wheeler's would suggest I use VM/370 instead. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#40 What are mainframes

Re: What are mainframes

mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > Android Phones and Pads are derived from Linux, biggest seller in both > categories. Apple iPhones and iPads are derived from Darwin (BSD), 2nd > biggest seller in both categories. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#40 What are mainframes

Re: What are mainframes

patrick.mul...@gwl.ca (Mullen, Patrick) writes: > We had an IBMer give a presentation a couple weeks back, an update on > all things z. He mentioned that one of the biggest users of zLinux on > the planet was ADP, who of course use it for...payroll. from a recent IBM discussion on OS2 A

Re: ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

j...@crossno.us (John Crossno) writes: > Just in... > http://www.computerworld.com/article/3185530/government-it/trump-s-son-in-law-jared-kushner-prepares-for-cobol-cloud-mainframes.html O'Malley showed Chaffetz the developers at work. "They see a working environment that looks exactly like

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#81 GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#82 Great mainframe history(?) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#83 Great mainframe history(?) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#84 Great mainframe

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

mitchd...@gmail.com (Dana Mitchell) writes: > 4331 had integrated disk and communication adapters built in, no 3274, > 3705, 3880 controllers required. Later machines just had parallel > channels just sort of built in, not really on cards. 3090 was first > with ESCON re:

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

mitchd...@gmail.com (Dana Mitchell) writes: > 4331 had integrated disk and communication adapters built in, no 3274, > 3705, 3880 controllers required. Later machines just had parallel > channels just sort of built in, not really on cards. 3090 was first > with ESCON minor nit, ESCON announced

Re: ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

idfli...@gmail.com (scott Ford) writes: > Bravo Phil and Tim from IBM. In my experience with NYC Stock Exchange > and too many Brokerage houses to count, all of these installations had > very tight internal/ external security. Including multiple firewalls > to enter the MF domains. Once in the MF

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes: > Boeblingen got their hands slapped for anti-trust reasons for moving > the controllers inside (shades of the 2319 disk), or because corporate > inherently favoured Endicott over Boeblingen (and presumably POK over > both)? Or something else? re:

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes: > How were either of the 4331 or 4361 scope'able? Surely both were at > about the same level of integration as the TCMs in the 30x0... > > Or had the scope'able requirement quietly disappeared by that point in > favour of redundancy, leaving the other

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > For the 3090, they originally planned on using a 4331 with a highly > modified version of vm370/cms release 6 as the service process ... with > all service screens done in CMS IOS3270. This was upgraded to a pair of > redundant

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) writes: > BTW: > What about LPARs? re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#80 Great mainframe history(?) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#81 GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#82 Great mainframe

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > Endicott then complains tht the 5-way 370/125 SMP has better > performance and better price/performance than 370/148 and I'm required > in escalation meetings to argue both sides. Endicott wins ... and the > 5-way SMP 370/125 is neve

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

arno...@us.ibm.com (Todd Arnold) writes: > 360 processors with special microcode were used in a number of things. > Early in my career, I worked on development of the IBM 3890 high-speed > check sorter. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3890) The controller > in that sorter was a 360 mod 25,

Re: GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe

Between 360 and 370 there was ACS/360 ... that was killed w/o ever being announced (executives thought it might advance state-of-the-art too fast and company might loose control of the market). note discussion that some of the ACS/360 features show up more than 20yrs later with es/9000

Re: ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#60 [EXTERNAL] ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#61 [EXTERNAL] ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#69

Re: ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

j...@crossno.us (John Crossno) writes: > It had everything to do with "legacy" network security, not following > best security practices, etc. Where the research talks about > investments in modernization, they imply that the problem is "archaic" > 30-year old COBOL systems, when that really isn't

Re: ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com (Martin Packer) writes: > Not to disagree with anything anyone has said, I think one thing might > work against us: > > I don't know when restrictions on encryption were lifted but when I first > was involved with encryption in the late 1980's it was pretty restrictive

Re: ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

arno...@us.ibm.com (Todd Arnold) writes: > Gee, I've been developing crypto technology for 30+ years that runs in > those environments - so it's certainly news to me that it can't be > done :-) re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#60 [EXTERNAL] ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in

Re: [EXTERNAL] ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

imugz...@gmail.com (IronSphere by SecuriTeam Software) writes: > no the problem described, but from my experience, program developed to > 3270 user interface, are face lifted using brokers, bridges and other > middle wares. The three tier design ,where some of the field > verification was done by

Re: [EXTERNAL] ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > ​Yeah. The hardware designers should have made an "eXecute" bit to go > along with the other "metadata" bits (such as key and change) so that > a attempting to branch to a frame which is not marked "eXecute" would > cause​ an exception. But even

Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".

john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > ​Same in other books I've seen. Why? Probably because we write from top to > bottom. We write the lowest first, at the top, and the highest last, at the > bottom. And then we confuse everybody by calling them "ascending" memory > addresses while

Re: Check out Massive Amazon cloud service outage disrupts sites

l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > trivia: I had worked with Jim Gray at IBM SJR ... before he left for > Tandem. At Tandem he does a detailed analysis of failure modes, finding > that hardware was in the process of becoming significantly more reliable > ... and failur

Re: Check out Massive Amazon cloud service outage disrupts sites

charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: > It is hard to prepare for unknown unknowns. It is legendary that people have > had recovery failures because the fallover switch (channel, power, network, > whatever) failed. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#13 Check out Massive Amazon cloud

Re: Check out Massive Amazon cloud service outage disrupts sites

jesse1.robin...@sce.com (Jesse 1 Robinson) writes: > Our data center folks insist on dual power feeds for everything, > sometimes infuriatingly so. To test power redundancy, they > occasionally drop one power feed or the other--with ample heads > up--and check that all devices are functioning.

Re: ISPF (was Fujitsu Mainframe Vs IBM mainframe)

jesse1.robin...@sce.com (Jesse 1 Robinson) writes: > ISPF was far more than a product rename, though IBM gets snaps for > repurposing an acronym almost seamlessly. The major advance in ISPF > was the modern day 'dialog' and all the rich support we associate with > it. In the old SPF, it was

Re: COBOL and POSIX pipes

john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > ​It adds some really nice features to legacy z/OS. But UNIX files can be > confusing to z/OS programmers because they are more like "memory" than > "disk" in that they are simply an ordered sequence of _bytes_, not > _records_. The file system

Re: z/OS under Linux ?

sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > Uh huh. And so can z/VM, and so can KVM for IBM z Systems and > LinuxONE. Moreover, I would argue that Concurrent Processor Drawer > Add and Concurrent Processor Drawer Repair/Replace are extremely > sophisticated instances of live system movement

Re: Job Loyalty

balbo...@att.net (Salah Balboul) writes: > This is "Capitalism", making money is king. Every large corporation > tries to sell this "Job Loyalty" to workers, however, rest assured > this is a one sided affair. They want you to be loyal. > > Then again, think about it. When you start your

Re: IBM LinuxONE Rockhopper

000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > Nowadays (or is it next year's model?), on the z, practically every one. > Nothing will run without the PR/SM hypervisor. > > In the twilight of Sun Microsystems, Sine Nomine ported OpenSolaris > to z. It required z/VM for

Re: IBM LinuxONE Rockhopper

charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: > independently of z/VM, but that is no longer true. > > I'm quite familiar architecturally with CMS. Yes, it is in one sense > an operating system. If I drew a picture of z/VM with a bunch of > guests, CMS would be a peer to VSE, z/OS and Linux, all of

Virtualization's Past Helps Explain Its Current Importance

Virtualization's Past Helps Explain Its Current Importance http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/administrator/Virtualization/importance-today/ The CP67 installed at the university didn't have LRU ... is was sort of FIFO ... I did the work for LRU extended additional discussion on linkedin,

Re: BSAM vs QSAM

013a910fd252-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (David W Noon) writes: > All of the buffer fills and buffer flushes occur quite separately from > the application program. The EXCP macro is a wonderful thing. A big problem with the EXCP semantics ... it had applications (and/or libraries running in

Re: Paper Tape

dave.g4...@gmail.com (Dave Wade) writes: > High Speed card readers read all columns of the card at the same time, > so they have 80 sensors, and read the card row-by-row, allowing much > faster reading. There is no reel of tape that has inertia that has to > be controlled on a stop. > A card deck

Re: Blockchain

rob.schr...@gmail.com (Rob Schramm) writes: > There are just loads of uses and possibilities for blockchain. I had > started looking into coding for Bitcoin to use unused cycles on z/OS to > make money. But then migrated over to blockchain as a concept to act as a > proof or record history. I

4361 at livingcomputers.org

http://www.livingcomputers.org/ is looking for help/assistance forwarded: We have a 4361 we recently purchased in running condition from the original owner in Sacramento. Our plan is to put VM/370 (or possibly VM/SP, we have an in within IBM who is working on that) on the system and run it as

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#21 History of Mainframe Cloud http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#22 History of Mainframe Cloud http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#27 History of Mainframe Cloud and recent article from Google Cloud Google Infrastructure Security Design Overview

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: > And 1443 (?). I had a client that had a 1403 variant that was a little > slower but included a 16-or-so column card reader. You could print > invoices on pre-punched cards and read the punching to make sure you > were printing on the right card (no spool,

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

edgould1...@comcast.net (Edward Gould) writes: > That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a > 1403/3211(?) was just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x As I > have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM device or > computer that had a paper tape reader/writer.

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > And the web site is the server and the web page is the application. > > The cloud just reassigns different servers to serve the web page > (application). re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#21 History of Mainframe Cloud

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#21 History of Mainframe Cloud Les sent me this CP40/CMS presentation that he gave at '82 SEAS meeting, and let me scan, OCR and put it up http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/cp40seas1982.txt a copy is also in the appendix of Melinda's (neuall.pdf) VM history

Re: History of Mainframe Cloud

stars...@mindspring.com (Lizette Koehler) writes: > https://www.ibm.com/blogs/cloud-computing/2014/03/a-brief-history-of-cloud-compu > ting-3/ > > After some time, around 1970, the concept of virtual machines (VMs) > was created. mid-60s, some of the CTSS people went to 5th flr to do MULTICS ...

Re: Multitasking question

000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > Decades ago, I had experimented with similar techniques, even so far as > paired +- RLDs. In the course of that, I discovered that CMS obeys its > own rules. If I had unresolved WXTRN + absolute offset, it got relocated >

Re: Multitasking question

000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > Further, with UNIX shared memory and the older CSA and LPA > a single page, possibly executable, can be mapped into multiple > address spaces. It better be reentrant. > > The address ranges wouldn't need to be identical if

Re: A Christmassy PL/I tale

patrick.v...@axa-tech.com (Patrick Vogt) writes: > If you look at coding/automation on decentralized platforms, the > Mainframe is technically still ahead of the other platforms. It may be > slower on implementations but that's not to do with the Mainframe but > of people coding like 20 years ago

Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?

mitchd...@gmail.com (Dana Mitchell) writes: > Exactly! They are just managing the decline and extracting maximum > profit out of it along the way, IBM (and more importantly Wall St.) > have no interest in expanding the z business. > > I wouldn't exactly consider cloud a high margin business.

Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?

000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Tom Marchant) writes: > And your z/OS license will cost how much? and you still wouldn't have all the source that is free to change for adapting to cloud megadatacenter operating paradigm. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at

Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?

charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: > I would guess because the market is for Linux on Intel. Vicious cycle: > no apps, no offering, no apps, ... re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#56 Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services? a big issue in the cluster

Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?

john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > ​I think I understand why IBM does this, not that I agree with > them. Look at all the press recently about Wintel (PC sales down) and > even Linux. It appears that this segment of the "computing population" > is a low margin segment. IBM simply

Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?

re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#47 Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#48 Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#53 Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe

Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?

cvitu...@hughes.net (Carmen Vitullo) writes: > Brings back some good memories - I enjoy reading your post, I seem to > have forgotten more about my life at Boeing than I remember, short > time, 11 years in Philly but I do recall the 4341 trail connected to > some new state of the art 3390

Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?

allan.stal...@hcl.com (Allan Staller) writes: > Big Iron is too expensive. Get Off! > Migrate to VAX (many). > Oops! Too many VAX's. Get Off > Migrate to Amdahl! (Big Iron). re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#47 Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services? note

Re: Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?

cpvitu...@arkbluecross.com (Vitullo, Carmen P) writes: > I found this out some time ago working for Boeing, even though we were > one company, we still had to submit a budget each year for computing > services, this drove Boeing Helicopters to look at alternatives, > mostly the costs of CATIA and

Re: Destination z article: Lessons Learned

g...@gabegold.com (Gabe Goldberg) writes: > Though even z Systems can't provide actual temporal relocation, it's > interesting to consider what advice mainframe professionals would give > their younger selves if the opportunity existed. And veterans' wisdom > applies to Generation Z. Best to

Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > I strongly disagree with the word "all." I don't think that word in this > sentence is grounded in a reasonable, rational, informed assessment of > comparative risks and testing costs. re: http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#91 ABO Automatic

Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > No, not optimistic. Mere fact. Sun Microsystems made Java 1.0 > generally available for download on January 23, 1996, for the Windows > 95, Windows NT, and Solaris operating systems (three different > operating systems across two different processor

Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > count of latency to memory (& cache miss), when measured in count of > processor cycles is comparable to 60s latency to disk when measured in > count of 60s processor cycles. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#91 ABO

Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: > Why is that useful? Because the speed gains in the last several generations > of mainframe are not in clock/cycle speed. System 370 object code does not > run any faster on a z13 than on a z10. The gains are in new instructions. > The same functionality

Re: remote system support (i.e. the data center is 2 states away from you).

edgould1...@comcast.net (Edward Gould) writes: > Brian: > One of there specific episodes we had was that the master console was > the only one that was “talking”. As to other options you listed the > auditors cut them off years ago and no use arguing with them (BTDT). > As for HMC remote access

This Day in History: 22Aug1955, The First Computer User Group Is Founded

This Day in History: 22Aug1955, The First Computer User Group Is Founded http://www.computerhistory.org/tdih/August/22/ Following a Los Angeles symposium hosted by IBM, a group of representatives from seventeen groups that had ordered the IBM 704 mainframe computer met at the RAND Corporation in

Re: Delta Outage

000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Edward Finnell) writes: > Which company had their primary in the South tower and the backup in the > North tower? re: http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#93 Delta Outage the previous scenario

Re: Delta Outage

jesse1.robin...@sce.com (Jesse 1 Robinson) writes: > Airlines are no longer 'heavily regulated'. They used to be. Telecom > was deregulated. Banks were deregulated. There was more competition in > all these industries when regulation was in place. The 'natural > tendency' of any industry is to

Re: Multithreaded output to stderr and stdout

jcew...@acm.org (Joel C. Ewing) writes: > The plethora of links at the referenced URLs never even gave a direct > answer to the question "Charlie Who". > > One of the paragraphs at the many sub-links at the given URLs refers to > him as "Charlie S.", another as "Charlie Salisbury", so apparently

Re: Multithreaded output to stderr and stdout

mike.lamart...@mcleansoft.com (Mike La Martina) writes: > After reading the story of Compare and Swap for, lo, all these many years, I > am sorry but I must ask. > > Charlie who? aka Charlie's initials are CAS ... part of the effort was to choose mnemonic (compare-and-swap) that were Charlie's

Re: Multithreaded output to stderr and stdout

000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > I'm trying to envision how to use WAIT/POST to do that since no > more than one task can be WAITing on a given ECB. I vaguely recall > long ago writing code that used a variant of a CS example in PoOps > to manage a queue

Re: Cringely article about more IBM rumors

john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > ​Thanks. I was thinking of the CPs used by user software. It's interesting > that the I/O channels use a Power chip.​ In 1988, I was asked to help LLNL standardize some serial stuff they had ... which quickly becomes the fibre channel standard

Re: IBM plans for the future - an imaginary tale

johnmattson...@gmail.com (John Mattson) writes: > IBM made mistakes back in the 1980's and 1990's from which they may never > really recover. > 1) Doing away with the THINK motto. It seems about the time they did this > is when many of them stopped thinking. > 2) Stopped giving the systems almost

Re: What was a 3314?

norman.hollan...@desertwiz.biz (Norman.Hollander) writes: > Track size. We actually used to use a 2305 "drum" definition for VIO. > But if you genned 1 dummy address, you had to gen all 8. Made for a > larger IO-gen. So we would go for the next best tracksize of the > 2314. So- how many 4K

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