Well, I also worked for Volvo. In Poland, Wrocław.
Hint: Volvo is swedish company, but they also have Renault trucks.
So, polish guys in Wrocław worked on swedish terminal emulator to
connect to french mainframes with french messages from some exits
(ridiculous IMHO). Polish guys called it
Reminds me of a box of nanoseconds that the company I work for bought,
containing long spools of fiber to test (or more likely prove that it
won't work?) various km distances between sysplexed mainframes.
http://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/fiber_spools.png
On 6/13/2020 4:34 PM, Mark S
She came to speak at A University in NC where I worked a couple years, back
in the late '70s. I didn't go to hear it - didn't sound all that interesting
to me - but my boss came back from it with one of her nanoseconds and from his
description I've regretted it ever since. Oh, well, I had my
> honorary rank of "Rear Admiral"
She was honorable, but her rank of rear admiral (lower half) was official.
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Volvo Truck NA, for whom I worked 14 years, had a sort of DOS-101 class for
all our end users who were trying to figure out how to use the PCs newly on
their desks. Some of them actually seemed to pay attention, and cam
Volvo Truck NA, for whom I worked 14 years, had a sort of DOS-101 class for
all our end users who were trying to figure out how to use the PCs newly on
their desks. Some of them actually seemed to pay attention, and came back
to their cubicles understanding, for instance, what a root directory is
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> W dniu 12.06.2020 o 12:59, Seymour J Metz pisze:
> > Well, if they
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W dniu 12.06.2020 o 12:59, Seymour J Metz pisze:
> Well, if they come from a world where there is no messages manual, it may not
> occur to them to RTFM; that should be part of their initial training, but we
> all know how gen
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We used to run a product called SPIFFY by Isogon. It was bought by IBM and
renamed to Dataset Commander. I was actually told by the IBMer supporting the
product that th
Tom Brennan wrote:
>At least in that case you can hopefully reproduce the error :)
>It's the one-time lost error messages that as a support person, you
>sometimes have to say, "Oh well"
I call this an "anecdotal error": worth opening a ticket with as much (little)
detail as possible and then
Charles Mills wrote, in part:
>I never bothered -- I have always gone with (s) as in "You have %d dog(s)"
You could substitute "an integer value greater 0 and less than 2" when it's
"1", and then "dogs" would always be correct :)
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Well...
The only country I can imagine such approach is France.
I don't know Japan, so I cannot say.
However I met mainrame people from South America and they told me they
orderd a
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This pair of error messages was a design mistake:
OS/2 !! Sys014
W dniu 12.06.2020 o 12:59, Seymour J Metz pisze:
Well, if they come from a world where there is no messages manual, it may not
occur to them to RTFM; that should be part of their initial training, but we
all know how generous education budgets are these days.
I teach mainframe courses in
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Well, I wr
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/tv/mpt/or
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2
Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA
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Well, I wrote an article on my internal company blog, recently. It was
exactly about messages and codes.
People couldn't believe in some statements:
1. Every message has its own ID. Fortunately readers agreed that msg ID
is far better than "Oops! Something went wrong, try again later".
2. Every
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I used to imagine the poor mechanics listening skeptically to a youn
I used to imagine the poor mechanics listening skeptically to a young clueless
driver saying "I swear, mister, it was making this awful noise just a minute
ago...!" I wouldn't have believed her either. Then I started in end-user
support.
I have implicitly believed those stories ever since.
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 17:47:46 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I call that the "GTF effect"; the problem never manifests when I have
>di
Apparently that world is not this world.
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> DBD or PSB library.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 17:47:46 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I call that the "GTF effect"; the problem never manifests when I have
>diagnostic measures in place to capture failure data.
>
GTF? Generalized Trace Facility?
A colleague once used the term "Heisenberg effect" for a performance
Nope!
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At least in that case you can hopefully reproduce the error :)
It's the one-time lost error messages that as a support person, you
sometimes have to say, "Oh well"
My favorite is when
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Here are all of the possibly relevant parts from the JESMSGLG for a similar
occurrence that I just caused.
+*DFS0929I BLDL FAILED FOR MEMBER --AB
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At least in that case you can hopefully reproduce the error :)
It's the one-time lost error messages that as a
At least in that case you can hopefully reproduce the error :)
It's the one-time lost error messages that as a support person, you
sometimes have to say, "Oh well"
My favorite is when someone is repeatedly getting an error, but when
they call me over and without doing anything differently,
He's in charge of documentation. I'm just in
charge of installation."
Charles
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in the appropriate library, and rerun the program.
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The problem with th
My favorite is a marketing guy I was supporting. He called for my help with
some problem that had occurred - I don't remember what exactly, probably with a
DYL-280II program that he'd written with my help - and, as always, I asked him
what the error message had said. "Oh, it said some damn
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That's cool, the is/are and pluralization. I never bothered -- I have always
gone with (s) as in "Yo
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Things like numeric conversion and scooting text around are difficult in
assembler, so I would tend to put that off until later [1]. Then one
day I coded a macro and underlying subroutine so I could do something
like thi
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This pair of error messages was a design mistake:
OS/2 !! Sys01475
OS/2 !!
lls [charl...@mcn.org]
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You have to understand national politics: "we won't buy this product; the
error messages are in English"
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This pair of error
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:42:02 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote:
>This pair of error messages was a design mistake:
>
>OS/2 !! Sys01475
>OS/2 !! Sys02027
>
>That's a case of national language considerations run amok. ...
>
>A diskette's boot sector doesn't have much room, ...
>:-)
Please don't try to
This pair of error messages was a design mistake:
OS/2 !! Sys01475
OS/2 !! Sys02027
That's a case of national language considerations run amok. That was the
only pair of messages you saw on your screen when you formatted a diskette
with OS/2, left the diskette in the primary drive, and
Things like numeric conversion and scooting text around are difficult in
assembler, so I would tend to put that off until later [1]. Then one
day I coded a macro and underlying subroutine so I could do something
like this:
#PRINTF SYSPRINT,'DFS0929I BLDL ON DDNAME %s FAILED with RC=%d FOR
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I can't really remember, but I think it was when R15 was not zero maybe
S99ERROR/S9
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I take this example as merely an example. IBM & the software industry are
notoriously bad at getting these right.
At one end, you have "Oops, something went wrong." -- Windows
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:02:40 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote
I take this example as merely an example. IBM & the software industry are
notoriously bad at getting these right.
At one end, you have "Oops, something went wrong." -- Windows 10 (and
yeah, the day I started using Windows 10).
At the other, IDC3009I. Sheesh.
Counter to those, the IMS message
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:02:40 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote:
>Here's a quote from a message I posted to this list in 2009:
>
>"I have a very basic one to complain about:
>
>DFS0929I BLDL FAILED FOR MEMBER --DDMPPSZ
>
>This really means that the specified PSB DDMPPSZ is not in the specified IMS
2020 1:45 PM
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I worked for a company whose management only knew initial cost. So they would
always buy the less expensive product. Eventually they’d wind up spending more
after additional costs to implemen
10, 2020 1:02 PM
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Here's a quote from a message I posted to this list in 2009:
"I have a very basic one to complain about:
DFS0929I BLDL FAILED FOR MEMBER --DDMPPSZ
This really means that the specif
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Is no-one aware of Master the Mainframe competition for students?
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1xW1S4133tFblLxTT6mEtsV0K
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Yep! And I remember dynamic allocation errors where the user basically
Yep! And I remember dynamic allocation errors where the user basically
just gets the SVC99 return/reason code, and the only way to figure out
what happened is to look it up in the programming manual - not even a
message manual.
So here's an example for you: If the BLDL gets a non-zero
roved much, if it all, in this regard in the last ten years.
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Yep.
ason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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Not sure what you mean
uel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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I thought about that. But for some reason I kind of like it in its present
form; it has a certain slapdash irreverence. We'll see whether I still feel
that way in a few months.
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/* A child's greatest source of security today is not
Not sure what you mean. I ~think~ I agree (unless I misunderstood you) -
but software development still costs time and effort, and no matter who the
developer is he has to eat. If he chooses to give away some of his work,
that's fine and I accept gratefully; but it means he's earning enough
Is no-one aware of Master the Mainframe competition for students?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_the_Mainframe_Contest
And the Academic Initiative, under which the classes mentioned by Wayne are run
(Wayne and I worked on these together back in the day):
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Or, you could just know that journalism is made up of journalists.
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On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 10:22 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
Would be more clearly stated with either &
Or, you could just know that journalism is made up of journalists.
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On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 10:22 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
Would be more clearly stated with either "journalism" -> "journalists" ,
or alternatively with "one" -> "a journalist" -- unless the
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My Fortune 500 employer got off their mainframes by using SaaS vendors for most
of the big BICARSA applications that ran on their mainframes. What back end
those SaaS vendors use is anybody's
My Fortune 500 employer got off their mainframes by using SaaS vendors for most
of the big BICARSA applications that ran on their mainframes. What back end
those SaaS vendors use is anybody's guess. They also decided in the case of
some applications that they would move to Intel hardware
is anybody's guess.
Rex
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When I bought my Yamaha piano in 1989, I hea
Would be more clearly stated with either "journalism" -> "journalists" ,
or alternatively with "one" -> "a journalist" -- unless the whole
intent is to use poetic license to cause initial puzzlement followed by
"oh, that's what was meant".
JC Ewing
On 6/9/20 11:55 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
>
I’d be honored.
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LOL - you may just have made my tagline file, Bill. We'll see whether I still
like it well enough tomorrow. Like this:
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The
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Appropriate tagline:
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a hopelessly naïve ideology known today as “dot
IBM are supporting university training in Mainframe in a hands-off manner.
A friend of mine has just run a COBOL course at a North Queensland
university. The mainframe used for classes was the Marist system.
The customers were a large Australian Bank and a territory government
employer. It seems
LOL - you may just have made my tagline file, Bill. We'll see whether I still
like it well enough tomorrow. Like this:
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The problem with journalism today is everyone thinks they are one -Bill
Johnson in the listserv IBM-MAIN
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> JCL: I used to complain about JCL's arcane and in some cases backward syntax.
> I mean, "COND=(0,LT,step.procstep)&
IBM used to offer HESC for VM .edus. There were different tiers but it was very
cheap. We used it until they quit offering it. Well it's a long story IBM just
stuck it's head in the ground and let the *nix assimilate.
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JCL: I used to complain about JCL's arcane and in some cases backward syntax.
I mean, "COND=(0,LT,s
JCL: I used to complain about JCL's arcane and in some cases backward syntax.
I mean, "COND=(0,LT,step.procstep)" - who made that up? But somehow over the
years I've made my peace with JCL. It is what it is. And I would have done no
better, back then.
EBCDIC: A couple of years ago, when I
I sent the author of this hit piece a few real journalistic pieces which
contradicted her claims. She responded kindly and stated she would do more
research (or any research in my opinion) if she did another mainframe piece.
The problem with journalism today is everyone thinks they are one, and
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You're probably correct about the academic mi
On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 21:53:51 +, Farley, Peter wrote:
>You're probably correct about the academic mindset and IBM's failure to
>successfully market to them that the mainframe CAN do all the "cool" things
>they perceive as the latest-and-greatest-idea(s), and is actively "keeping up"
>with
, June 09, 2020 4:27 PM
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I don't pay much attention to IBM's marketing practices so I can't opine
knowledgeably, but I offer this counter, a story I'm sure I've told he
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I don't pay much attention to IBM's marketing practices so I can't opine
knowledgeably, but I offer this counter, a story I'm sure I've told here
before: Some years ago my oldest son got interested i
I don't pay much attention to IBM's marketing practices so I can't opine
knowledgeably, but I offer this counter, a story I'm sure I've told here
before: Some years ago my oldest son got interested in learning mainframes.
(I think he must have heard me rant too often about my increasing job
Apple Did the high school thing. That's where they got their devotees.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:54 PM Tom Brennan wrote:
>
> When I bought my Yamaha piano in 1989, I heard a story that Yamaha had
> been supplying free pianos to universities for years. It was more than
> them just being nice,
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When I bought my Yamaha piano in 1989, I heard a story that Yamaha had
been supplying free pianos to universities for years. It was more
On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 17:23:48 +, Doug wrote:
>And maybe the third dumb thing they did was give DOS to Gates and trash
>OS/2
>
And way before that, not making PL/S a product. It left a void that's
belatedly being filled by Metal C.
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And maybe the third dumb thing they did was give DOS to Gates and trash
OS/2
Doug Fuerst
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then (heaven forfend!) there could
well be a re-incarnation of the "clone wars", but one can dream.
Peter
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On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 11:38 AM Farley, Peter x23353 <
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> John,
>
> It isn't just the $900 per year for the ADCD OS license. You can’t
> legally get ADCD without the ~$5K yearly cost of the zPDT dongle and Linux
> hardware emulation layer to run the OS's.
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> [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking
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> When I bought my Yamaha piano in 1989, I heard a story that Yamaha had
> been supplying free pianos to universities for years. It was more
> t
That's just the price of the current ADCD offering. To license
zPDT itself is roughly $4,000/emulated CPU.
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When I bought my Yamaha piano in 1989, I heard a story that Yamaha had been
supplying free pianos to universities for years. I
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:54 AM Tom Brennan
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> When I bought my Yamaha piano in 1989, I heard a story that Yamaha had
> been supplying free pianos to universities for years. It was more than
> them just being nice, they knew that someone practicing every day on the
> school grand piano
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When I bought my Yamaha piano in 1989, I heard a story that Yamaha had been
supplying free pianos to universities for years. It was more than them just
being nice, they knew that someone practicing
When I bought my Yamaha piano in 1989, I heard a story that Yamaha had
been supplying free pianos to universities for years. It was more than
them just being nice, they knew that someone practicing every day on the
school grand piano would likely go on to buy one, or be the decision
maker for
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:21 AM Lionel B Dyck wrote:
> Y'all stop using logic and reason - this is an emotional issue that the
> author and others are invested in and has nothing to do with IBM
> effectively telling the world that the mainframe is dead based on all the
> layoffs that have
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Regarding 100% customers:
- Did you think about replatforming?
- Yes.
(OK, another one on the list)
- And what?
- And concluded it would be very stupid idea. We did the analysis and we
know that.
Another explanation:
Mainframe shops are sometimes big companies. It is very likely to find
an
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> W dniu 09.06.2020 o 14:24, Peter Bishop pisze:
> > Interesting re 2):
> >
> > "The survey fou
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W dniu 09.06.2020 o 14:24, Peter Bi
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W dniu 09.06.2020 o 14:24, Peter Bishop pisze:
Interesting re 2):
"The survey found that organizations are running an average of four
mainframes with an average age of 17 years. Sixty-four percent are
running mainframes between 10 and 20 years old, with 28% running
machines that are 20 to 30
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