Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> Probably all you people who program for a living think this is
> [crap/obvious/can be done in 3 bytes] but I liked it:
>
> $|++; print qw(\ | / -)[$i%4]."\r"; $|--;
>
> Put a spinning progress thing in your loops...
Hm, if you knew autoflushing was turned off before
Probably all you people who program for a living think this is
[crap/obvious/can be done in 3 bytes] but I liked it:
$|++; print qw(\ | / -)[$i%4]."\r"; $|--;
Put a spinning progress thing in your loops...
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On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:38:04PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > Oh, and Amazon.com have the Learning Tk book at 90% off at the minute
> > if anyone's interested ..
> That'll explain the increase in sales that Nat noted the other day then :)
Well, I expected one of their "Oops, we made a pricing e
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 12:24:59PM +, Shevek wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
>
> > I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like
> > printed copies of.
> >
> > Maybe we should see about costs for getting some of them printed fairly
> > nicely and bo
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
> I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like
> printed copies of.
>
> Maybe we should see about costs for getting some of them printed fairly
> nicely and bound.
I think the uni offers such a service here.
--
Shevek
I am the
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:22:31PM +, Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 10:14:59AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> > We also have another Perl/Tk book coming out. It's more advanced than
> > "Learning ..." and, we hope, learns from the criticism levelled at
>
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 10:14:59AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> We also have another Perl/Tk book coming out. It's more advanced than
> "Learning ..." and, we hope, learns from the criticism levelled at
> that book. In particular, look for examples.
Oh, and Amazon.com have the Learning Tk
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 04:44:53PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
[re: ORA]
> yip they have the pretty cover animals as well ;-)
I would just like to point out at this juncture that monkeys are
funny.
cheers,
dha
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Perl should
I wrote:
> I'm shit-scared of talking about books in progress, in case I jinx
> them.
We also have another Perl/Tk book coming out. It's more advanced than
"Learning ..." and, we hope, learns from the criticism levelled at
that book. In particular, look for examples.
Nat
On Jan 8, 8:25am, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that the
> book was nothing more than the online manual :-)
Hmmm. I can see it working if you take a slightly different
perspective on it.
Let's say O'Reilly acts as a content provider. In ad
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 08:25:54AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> > Michael Stevens writes:
> > > I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like
> > > printed copies of.
> > Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd comp
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 08:25:54AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Michael Stevens writes:
> > I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like
> > printed copies of.
> Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that the
> book was nothing more than the online m
Michael Stevens writes:
> I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like
> printed copies of.
Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that the
book was nothing more than the online manual :-)
Nat
> Tk. Seems a lot more simple that Java or GTK stuff to do. Sure, infinite
> themeability is all very nice and all, but most of the time I just want to
> do something really quickly.
One of the reasons that I use Gtk and not Tk (or glade for that matter)
is that some of my applications require
> What is missing is a nice GUI drawing program like VB that writes out
> perl code GUI's and calls perl code for events. Activestate's work on
glade
> I have to say "where do I sign" on this one. I would really like to
> purchase this book :)
I printed out the mod_perl guide and it killed a tree. It took me an
afternoon to get it all printed out correctly (mostly because I was doing
it double sided, was to thick to work which way up the page
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 10:43:06AM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> I printed out the mod_perl guide and it killed a tree. It took me an
> afternoon to get it all printed out correctly (mostly because I was doing
> it double sided, was to thick to work which way up the pages should go in
> the printer
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 10:58:33PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Beyond that, we have a mod_perl book by Stas and Eric coming along.
> It's going to be enormous. I'm in awe of the amount of writing
> they've done on it. Stas and Eric are pretty well known by their
> writing (look for Stas's
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> of course you need a name, I personally like Rope - its
> a play on Zope and it conveys the idea that the rope is strong
> because it has many strands within it
And you get the opportunity to do SOAP on Rope jokes when someone adds
that functionality t
Dean S Wilson writes:
> Uncross those fingers. ;) Since your in the know what perl books are
> forthcoming? Anything on Perl XML?
I'm shit-scared of talking about books in progress, in case I jinx
them. I can say that Tom and I have begun talking about a second
edition of the Cookbook. I've got
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 05:46:35PM -, Dean S Wilson wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >The TPJ that's stalled at the printers has a fantuckingfastic article
> >on getting started with Glade and Perl/Gtk.
>
>
> I now hate you.
It took *this*
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 10:18:14AM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
>
> Once the unwashed masses know the word perl, that's half the battle won.
Presumably, the other half is when we get them to bathe?
:-)
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Learned? You must be c
t his year.
>
> Once the unwashed masses know the word perl, that's half the battle won.
>
yup, this was pretty much what was going on in the back of my brain, but
i tried to disguise it with the one liner to see what people thought.
i get the feeling perl needs to better sold a
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> > Greg are you trolling? If so let me play ;)
> >
Of course, trolling is the game the whole family can enjoy! Later
on I think I might start a rant about how Perl will
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> Greg are you trolling? If so let me play ;)
>
> >> the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language
> is the
> >> projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot
> more cool
> >> proj
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 08:02:14PM +, jo walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > of course you need a name, I personally like Rope - its
> > a play on Zope and it conveys the idea that the rope is strong
> > because it has many strands within it
>
> how about 'Pope' because it is infallible
* jo walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> how about 'Pope' because it is infallible?
>
or because it doesn't go down ;-)
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-Original Message-
From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> I was wondering how hard it would be to put together a mini
Application
>> server toolkit.
Hows this for a starting point?
http://www.apachetoolbox.com/
He has porting it to perl
>
> of course you need a name, I personally like Rope - its
> a play on Zope and it conveys the idea that the rope is strong
> because it has many strands within it
how about 'Pope' because it is infallible?
jo
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> I was wondering how hard it would be to put together a mini Application
> server toolkit.
>
i think this is a wondeful idea and it ties into what dave hodgkinson
was talking about before about the mod_perl site.
> A pre-built apache with mod_perl,
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
> My heresy of the day: if I want to write a graphical app, I'll write the
> front-end in Java, with a perl back-end and some kind of RPC gluing them
> together.
That's not a heresy at all, that's just common sense in using the best tool
for the job. I've
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 06:28:10PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> The main problem I've faced when dealing with the Tk stuff is that I have
> no idea how a good way to slam standard components together is.
The best way is to use a graphical interface to build the interface.
Something VB, and to a s
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Before I launch in a kind of defence of the book, let me remind you
>all that I liked the book before Tim started signing my paycheque.
:-)
Uncross those fingers. ;) Since your in the know what perl books are
forthcoming?
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 11:40:32AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
>Dean S Wilson writes:
>> Learning Perl/TK should be used as an off-line reference if its used
>> at all.
>Learning Perl/Tk isn't really *meant* to be a reference. Like the
>other Learning books, it's supposed to be an introduct
Dean S Wilson writes:
> I dislike the Learning Perl/TK book
Before I launch in a kind of defence of the book, let me remind you
all that I liked the book before Tim started signing my paycheque. :-)
> Learning Perl/TK just seemed to be too much of a rehash of the
> perldoc pages
There are perld
> O'Reily's Perl/Tk book, discussion there of.
I bought it pre-Christmas and read it through. I do like the idea of
Tk. Seems a lot more simple that Java or GTK stuff to do. Sure, infinite
themeability is all very nice and all, but most of the time I just want to
do something really quickly.
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Data point: the O'Reilly Perl/Tk book mysteriously jumped in the
>Amazon sales rankings lately. It's been in the 100-300 range the
last
>few weeks.
Toilet paper must be scarce ;)
I dislike the Learning Perl/TK book and I'
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Dean S Wilson writes:
>> Has anyone tried Linux glade recently? Is it stable with perl yet?
>The TPJ that's stalled at the printers has a fantuckingfastic article
>on getting started with Glade and Perl/Gtk.
I now hate yo
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> Ok, we are not (void) but we are pretty close so here is a one liner that
> hopefully will provote discussion
>
> the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the
> projects that are achieved using
Dean S Wilson writes:
> Has anyone tried Linux glade recently? Is it stable with perl yet?
The TPJ that's stalled at the printers has a fantuckingfastic article
on getting started with Glade and Perl/Gtk.
Nat
(tease)
Leon Brocard writes:
> Yes. This is because Perl is not thought of as being a GUI
> language[1]. Discuss.
> [1] Simon's articles on Perl Gnome are a good step though
>
> ps I'm back from Venezuela and only now find out the box has been
>/.-ed...
Data point: the O'Reilly Perl/Tk book mysterio
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 02:46:04PM -, Dean S Wilson wrote:
> Does anyone think that compilation is an issue with perls lack of user
> space apps? Discuss[1].
As a vague point I was looking for a good jabber client. Tried jarl, which
is perl, and gabber, which is C. jarl is perl/Tk, I think. g
-Original Message-
From: Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:
>> the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language
is the
>> projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot
more cool
>> projects tha
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:
> the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the
> projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot more cool
> projects than perl
Yes. This is because Perl is not thought of as being a GUI
lan
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 10:12:37PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the
> > projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot more cool
> > projects than perl
>
> I
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 10:12:37PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the
> projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot more cool
> projects than perl
I've been playing with Akopia ne' MiniVend/Tallyman which
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote:
> I agree but I also think that this is one of the problems, the only
> people who see the modules are other perl coders.
indeed. there are few end-user perl apps.
in my eyes Perl is not particularly good for programs written by one
person, or in small g
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote:
> I left (void) and you'l not take me back alive! Outlook canne take the
> strain!
i think london.pm is busier than (void) nowadays, a lot of the
thought-provoking people left
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-Original Message-
From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Ok, we are not (void) but we are pretty close so here is a one liner
that
>hopefully will provote discussion
I left (void) and you'l not take me back alive! Outlook canne take the
strain!
>the o
-Original Message-
From: Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Greg are you trolling? If so let me play ;)
>> the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language
is the
>> projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot
more cool
>> projects than perl
>Wh
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 10:12:37PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> Ok, we are not (void) but we are pretty close so here is a one liner that
> hopefully will provote discussion
> the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the
> projects that are achie
Ok, we are not (void) but we are pretty close so here is a one liner that
hopefully will provote discussion
the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the
projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot more cool
projects than perl
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