Re: email address in mail header

[Christina C.]

Andrew,

I appreciate your help.  I am able to interact with the header.  The problem 
that I was having is that only a name was displayed after Vo announced 
embedded.  An email address is not displayed.  I performed a VO plus shift plus 
M on the name but the email address was not in the context menu.  However, I 
interacted one more time with the name of the sender and then performed the Vo 
plus shift plus M command.  Then the drop down menu contained the email 
address. ☺️ So, your advice did help b/c I hadn’t thought to interact one more 
time since I could already access the name  of the sender and thought I was as 
interacted as I could be. ☺️ 
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
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> Hello Christina,
> 
> When you open the message in Mail on your mac and vo to the left once, you 
> should hear something like message headers.  Interact with that area and you 
> should be able to read the to and from and date fields.  You may have to 
> interact several times in order to be able to read letter by letter the 
> sender's email address.
> 
> 
>> On 15 Aug 2017, at 16:57, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> In the header, on my Mac, in apple mail, I cant’ figure out how to find out 
>> what the email address is of the sender is.  i have a suspicious email and 
>> I’d like to see what address the email is sent from.  Mail help said to 
>> point the mouse pointer at the name and some options would show up.  That is 
>> no help to me. ☺️  I’d be very grateful for any instructions on how to get 
>> an email address from the mail header.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
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email address in mail header

[Christina C.]

Hello,

In the header, on my Mac, in apple mail, I cant’ figure out how to find out 
what the email address is of the sender is.  i have a suspicious email and I’d 
like to see what address the email is sent from.  Mail help said to point the 
mouse pointer at the name and some options would show up.  That is no help to 
me. ☺️  I’d be very grateful for any instructions on how to get an email 
address from the mail header.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: filters in mail on mac?

[Christina C.]

Thanks, That’s a great idea. Also, in the View menu via Vo plus M There is a 
Disable/enable filter option.  It also states that the shortcut key is command 
plus L. 樂 I just have no idea how I created one in the first place. haha.

Again, Thanks,
Christina
> On Aug 12, 2017, at 6:31 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
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> Hmm, you’re right. I do use the normal view, and when I went to classic just 
> now, my own filter option vanished. I’d say switch away from standard for a 
> moment, toggle the filter, then switch it. back. That’s the easiest way I can 
> think of to solve this.
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 樂 Are you using classic view? I’m in classic view.  I don’t understand the 
>> newer view.  I’m not finding the filters check box to uncheck it.  Thanks so 
>> much.
>> 
>> Christina
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 4:54 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> VO-left once from the messages table, inside the messages column group. You 
>>> should find a filters checkbox; uncheck it, and you will be back to normal.
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Somehow I filtered my inbox on my Mac.  I have no idea how I did this.  I 
>>>> read the help section for mail about filters and it mentions a filter 
>>>> button.  I could not find a filter button anywhere in mail.  The only 
>>>> thing I can think of is that I was using the search field to find 
>>>> messages. maybe I did something there when I was arrowing through the drop 
>>>> down menu of options from that search field. I can’t figure it out.  I was 
>>>> finally able to get rid of the filter via the view menu.  There was an 
>>>> option to turn off filter.  
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone tell me how I may have filtered my messages so that I can avoid 
>>>> this in the future. Or if anyone can tell me how to create a filter with 
>>>> VO than maybe I can try to figure out what I did.  Thanks so much.
>>>> 
>>>> Christina
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Re: filters in mail on mac?

[Christina C.]

樂 Are you using classic view? I’m in classic view.  I don’t understand the 
newer view.  I’m not finding the filters check box to uncheck it.  Thanks so 
much.

Christina
> On Aug 11, 2017, at 4:54 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> VO-left once from the messages table, inside the messages column group. You 
> should find a filters checkbox; uncheck it, and you will be back to normal.
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Somehow I filtered my inbox on my Mac.  I have no idea how I did this.  I 
>> read the help section for mail about filters and it mentions a filter 
>> button.  I could not find a filter button anywhere in mail.  The only thing 
>> I can think of is that I was using the search field to find messages. maybe 
>> I did something there when I was arrowing through the drop down menu of 
>> options from that search field. I can’t figure it out.  I was finally able 
>> to get rid of the filter via the view menu.  There was an option to turn off 
>> filter.  
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me how I may have filtered my messages so that I can avoid 
>> this in the future. Or if anyone can tell me how to create a filter with VO 
>> than maybe I can try to figure out what I did.  Thanks so much.
>> 
>> Christina
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filters in mail on mac?

[Christina C.]

Hello,

Somehow I filtered my inbox on my Mac.  I have no idea how I did this.  I read 
the help section for mail about filters and it mentions a filter button.  I 
could not find a filter button anywhere in mail.  The only thing I can think of 
is that I was using the search field to find messages. maybe I did something 
there when I was arrowing through the drop down menu of options from that 
search field. I can’t figure it out.  I was finally able to get rid of the 
filter via the view menu.  There was an option to turn off filter.  

Can anyone tell me how I may have filtered my messages so that I can avoid this 
in the future. Or if anyone can tell me how to create a filter with VO than 
maybe I can try to figure out what I did.  Thanks so much.

Christina

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Re: Naming Your Personal Digital Assistant

[Christina C.]

Haha. Last week I tried using “computer” as the wake word for the Amazon Echo. 
I quickly discovered that I didn’t like it because, when one has to yell 
“computer" over a noisy household, the “p” in computer lends itself to spittle. 
Yuck! I switched the wake word back to Alexa.

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speed test on Mac

[Christina C.]

Hello,

What’s the best and easiest accessible way to test my internet speed on my mac. 
I’ve tried speedtest.net and I can’t seem to access the part of the page to 
test my internet speed. 

Thanks,
Christina

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automatically add files to iTunes

[Christina C.]

Hello,

So, sometimes when I download an audio file my Mac automatically unzips the 
file and starts playing it in iTunes and then it is added to my library both on 
my computer and on iCloud. I obviously want these files on my Mac but what if I 
don’t want them in my iCloud music library? Any ideas? These audio files are 
not music and so that just messes with my brain to see them in my music library 
on my phone. :) I only need to get these files onto my Mac so that I can put 
them on my victor reader stream, or into dropBox. 

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: In Safari how do I get a video to stop playing

[Christina C.]

Thanks so much. I thought that in Safari they had added a feature to easily 
control video playback but I can never find. Also, thanks so much for the 
letter K hint as I wasn’t aware of this shortcut. I really appreciate that and 
it will help tons on youtube.

Christina

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In Safari how do I get a video to stop playing

[Christina C.]

Hi all,

I thought there was a quick way to stop a video that starts playing. Sometimes 
it’s in another safari window and I can’t even find it. Sometimes, I can’t 
figure out how to turn a video off and the only way seems to be to close the 
window or tab completely.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: got VO to read alt text for pics in tweetings main timeline

[Christina C.]

Mary, I can confirm, that so far,  making the change in tweetings look and 
feel/ in line images to thumbnail has not had any negative annoying 
consequences, such as hearing image, image, image. Everything sounds the same 
as it did before, except when someone has added an image description it is read 
out in my timeline. It is read out as a separate item flicked to. For example, 
If I am flicking left through my timeline, reading from oldest to newest, I 
will flick to an image description. All I hear is VO read out the description 
and VO does not say image description or anything like that. I only hear what 
alt text was added. Then when I flick left VO Reads out the tweet of the person 
who posted the image. Of course, this will be in reverse if you are flicking 
right from newest to oldest. The Tweet of the sender will be read then the 
image described will be read next. I hope that helps and not confuses. I 
confirmed with sighted help, that all of the other inline photos without alt 
text seem to be ignored by VO when flicking through the timeline. I hope you 
have as good of an experience as I have. Of course, it’s been less than 24 
hours since I changed this setting but so far so good. :)

Christina
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> What is it doing with images that don't have alt text? Is it acting any 
> different like saying image for instance?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was frustrated that I could only get VO to read image descriptions if I 
>> opened the tweet and flicked to the image. Anyways, I went to settings, look 
>> and feel and changed in line images from disabled to thumbnail. Now it 
>> appears so far that images with alt text are being read in my timeline. I am 
>> experimenting so I can't report on any long term experience nor have I tried 
>> any of the other options for in Line photos.
>> 
>> Good luck and I hope someone finds this helpful.
>> 
>> Christina
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Re: got VO to read alt text for pics in tweetings main timeline

[Christina C.]

So far I haven’t experienced that, or heard VO saying image or anything weird 
like that. However, I don’t follow more than a handful of people and I’m not 
sure if I’ve come across a tweet yet with an image and not a GIF or video. I’ll 
report when I know for sure.

Christina
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What is it doing with images that don't have alt text? Is it acting any 
> different like saying image for instance?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was frustrated that I could only get VO to read image descriptions if I 
>> opened the tweet and flicked to the image. Anyways, I went to settings, look 
>> and feel and changed in line images from disabled to thumbnail. Now it 
>> appears so far that images with alt text are being read in my timeline. I am 
>> experimenting so I can't report on any long term experience nor have I tried 
>> any of the other options for in Line photos.
>> 
>> Good luck and I hope someone finds this helpful.
>> 
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got VO to read alt text for pics in tweetings main timeline

[Christina C.]

I was frustrated that I could only get VO to read image descriptions if I 
opened the tweet and flicked to the image. Anyways, I went to settings, look 
and feel and changed in line images from disabled to thumbnail. Now it appears 
so far that images with alt text are being read in my timeline. I am 
experimenting so I can't report on any long term experience nor have I tried 
any of the other options for in Line photos.

Good luck and I hope someone finds this helpful.

Christina

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a few tweetings questions

[Christina C.]

Hi,

1.  If I tap the timeline options button, I get a choice of Ninja Mode and 
media timeline. what do those do?

2.  If a tweet with a picture has image descriptions, is there a way to know or 
hear them when flicking through my timeline? So far, I only catch an image 
description if I open the tweet and flick to the image. I was just wondering if 
there is a more efficient way, especially since so far most images do not have 
a description.

3.  In the tweetings app, is there a place to find my notifications? Sometimes 
I hear a bird sound and I’m not quick enough to get to the banner at the top of 
the screen. These notifications are not showing up on my notification center 
via the three finger swipe down.

Thank you all ahead of time for any help in pointing me in the right direction 
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Re: accessible twitter apps for Mac?

[Christina C.]

Do you prefer twitter for Mac or night Owl? Are they both in the Mac app store? 
I’m not personally concerned with needing the alt text. Someone asked me 
because they are trying to add alt text to their images more often but prefer 
to use their laptop over their phone. This person is sighted and isn’t limitted 
to an accessible Mac app. I just thought I’d inquire a bit here. :) 

Christina
> On Apr 25, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Christina. Unfortunately, only night owl and Twitter for mac are the only 
> only accessible clients. I don't think Twitter for mac has been updated to 
> support the image description feature, and I know night I will definitely 
> hasn't, since that only gets updated once a year now.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
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>> What accessible twitter app do you use for Mac? Also do any Mac apps support 
>> adding and reading alt text to images?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
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[Christina C.]

What accessible twitter app do you use for Mac? Also do any Mac apps support 
adding and reading alt text to images?

Thanks,
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Re: can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

Thanks to all and to Sabahattin. The below instructions worked. So the problem 
that I was having is that under the disk Utility I had the wrong disk selected 
and that’s why the GB didn’t match my card. Thank goodness for the help here 
and that I did not accidentally try to format the hard drive on my Mac. In the 
table of discs there was one called something like apple SD card reader, can’t 
remember exactly. I thought the disk directly under that one was the SD card 
since it was some string of numbers and my hard drive was listed under that. 
Anyways, I needed to have the apple SD card reader selected. I formatted the 
disc per the instructions below and all seems fine. For now, the SD card also 
seems to be working on my stream and is stating 60 GB of memory available. Lots 
of other people are using 64 GB just fine with their stream but they used the 
stream to format their card to make it work. So, for now I will try this 64 GB 
card in my stream as an experiment with caution. The good news is that my SD 
card is working on my mac as it should. :) 

Thanks for all the help,
Christina
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> The Stream doesn’t handle XC cards.  32 GB is already the maximum.  I think 
> that’s your issue.  I can imagine that the stream formats it fine (using 
> NTFS, incidentally, which makes it useless for Macs) but you’ll only be using 
> some of the capacity.  Select the card in Disk Utility to see what the true 
> capacity is, and format it with an MBR partition scheme and an MS-DOS file 
> system.  Now try loading it in your Stream.  It doesn’t sound at all like 
> you’ve got the wrong adaptor; indeed, if the Mac is seeing it, it must mean 
> it’s attached.
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Re: can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

OK, I went and looked at Humanware’s documentation on the stream second 
generation and the stream only supports up to 32 GB. That is so weird that I 
remember it being  64. Did they downgrade that or something. The reason I 
remember is because I have a 32 GB and I remember reading 64 and that I could 
upgrade my card. I waited a very long time though. :) All I know is that 
somehow I got it all wrong. :( Either way, Stream or not, shouldn’t my Mac work 
with this card? Oh well, It’s a lost cause at this point I guess.

Thanks for all the kind help,Christina

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Re: can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

> Sabahattin,

I think you are onto something. I did not even realize XC existed. So, It’s 
highly possible that I purchased an incompatible card. I don’t even know if the 
stream supports the SD XC cards. Since I didn’t realize there was a such thing 
as XC I must have heard what I wanted when I placed the order.  This is the 
card that I purchased from Amazon. :( I wonder what I will use this card for 
now. :( I added the link to the card that I  purchased. I don’t know what you 
mean about partitioning. Are you thinking I should just get a different card 
for my mac and stream? I know for a fact that the stream second generation does 
claim it supports 64 GB but I guess I just purchased the wrong kind of card. 
Maybe I should get a 64 GB SD HC instead of XC? 

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Micro-Memory-SR64UY2A-TQ/dp/B00X1404E4?ie=UTF8_=cm_sw_r_em_awd_c_CoufxbQPT6V89
> Christina


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> The Stream doesn’t handle XC cards.  32 GB is already the maximum.  I think 
> that’s your issue.  I can imagine that the stream formats it fine (using 
> NTFS, incidentally, which makes it useless for Macs) but you’ll only be using 
> some of the capacity.  Select the card in Disk Utility to see what the true 
> capacity is, and format it with an MBR partition scheme and an MS-DOS file 
> system.  Now try loading it in your Stream.  It doesn’t sound at all like 
> you’ve got the wrong adaptor; indeed, if the Mac is seeing it, it must mean 
> it’s attached.
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Re: can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

Ok, I will try looking at it again now that I have a little bit of info from 
you all. :) The SD C\card is not even showing up in Finder just as FYI. :) 

The max the stream claims to handle is 64 GB. That is what size my card has and 
the stream is having no problems with the card and telling me my capacity is 60 
GB or something like that. :) 

I am only having problems with it on my late 2011 Mac. I think it’s a 
formatting issue but I haven’t figured out how to format this card. I will try 
again in disk utility.

Christina


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Re: can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

Right, I did know the memory would show a little bit less but what is showing 
in the main part of the window is like 512 GB or something weird like that. 
More like my hard drive which makes me scared to do anything because I’m afraid 
to mess up my hard drive. I’m not really sure what I’m supposed to do.

Thanks,
Christina
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:20 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   What was the card used with? Yes always use an adapter when using microSD.
> 
>   When in disk utility, are you seeing the card at all? The capacity in Get 
> Info will always be less than the card's stated capacity. The difference is 
> the space used when the card is formatted.
> 
>   I inserted one I have and it was instantly recognized, was formatted with 
> MS DOS.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 4/18/2016 10:53 AM, Christina C. wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a Mac and it has an SD card slot. I put the micro SD card inside the 
>> adapter that came with it to make the micro card standard size. I put the 
>> memory card in the slot and I get a message that says something like the 
>> card you inserted cannot be read by this computer. I am then given a choice 
>> to ignore, eject or initialize. I tried the initialize option thinking it 
>> would give me a way to format the card. I believe disk utility opened. I 
>> could not figure out anything past that. In the table i made sure and select 
>> the card and then went to the main part of the window and I just got 
>> information about my hard drive and not the card. The GB of memory did not 
>> match the card. I did google how to format the card but It was not fruitful. 
>> I need to use this card with my stream. I tried formatting the card with the 
>> stream but that didn’t help. The stream can read the card but my Mac cannot. 
>> I am running latest version of El Capitan.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
>> 
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Re: can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

My apologies for nto being very clear on my last message. Yes, I connected my 
stream to my Mac with the new SD card in it and I got the same error message. 
:( 

Christina
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry I wasn’t much help.  Were you able to connect your stream to your Mac?  
> if so, did you get the same alert message?
> Gary
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> bummer, because I tried it with my stream and I just got the same alert. :( 
>> Darnit. I have a 32 GB that I have been using for years, I wanted to upgrade 
>> to a larger capacity for my stream since I am constantly having to delete 
>> stuff to make more room. Thanks for helping out.
>> 
>> Christina
>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got the same alert message you did.
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Gary, Did your mac recognize that you put a card in and could not read it, 
>>>> or did it not even respond? Just curious if my computer is having trouble 
>>>> reading the card due to formatting compatability issues or if my computer 
>>>> just cannot read micro SD cards.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Christina
>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> BTW, En-Vision America has a great tech support.  They responded quickly.
>>>>> Gary
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh Gary, now I have to find that USB cable and try it. I have no earthly 
>>>>>> idea where it is. 
>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had the same problem with the i.d. mate, as well.  The way I was able 
>>>>>>> to get around the problem, was to connect the i.d. mate to my Mac with 
>>>>>>> the USB cable that came with my Quest.  I don’t know if this will work 
>>>>>>> for the Stream.
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am having a similar issue with a micro SD card that is in my ID 
>>>>>>>> Mate. I need to copy it but neither the MacBook Pro nor the iMac 
>>>>>>>> recognize it. Neither machine even sees the ID Mate. The device does 
>>>>>>>> say that it’s connected via USB and is charging though. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have a very old card reader with a micro slot that I’m considering 
>>>>>>>> trying but these things are so fragile I don’t want to break one of 
>>>>>>>> the little widgets used to lock the card.
>>>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have a Mac and it has an SD card slot. I put the micro SD card 
>>>>>>>>> inside the adapter that came with it to make the micro card standard 
>>>>>>>>> size. I put the memory card in the slot and I get a message that says 
>>>>>>>>> something like the card you inserted cannot be read by this computer. 
>>>>>>>>> I am then given a choice to ignore, eject or initialize. I tried the 
>>>>>>>>> initialize option thinking it would give me a way to format the card. 
>>>>>>>>> I believe disk utility opened. I could not figure out anything past 
>>>>>>>>> that. In the table i made sure and select th

Re: can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

bummer, because I tried it with my stream and I just got the same alert. :( 
Darnit. I have a 32 GB that I have been using for years, I wanted to upgrade to 
a larger capacity for my stream since I am constantly having to delete stuff to 
make more room. Thanks for helping out.

Christina
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I got the same alert message you did.
> Gary
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Gary, Did your mac recognize that you put a card in and could not read it, 
>> or did it not even respond? Just curious if my computer is having trouble 
>> reading the card due to formatting compatability issues or if my computer 
>> just cannot read micro SD cards.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> BTW, En-Vision America has a great tech support.  They responded quickly.
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh Gary, now I have to find that USB cable and try it. I have no earthly 
>>>> idea where it is. 
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had the same problem with the i.d. mate, as well.  The way I was able 
>>>>> to get around the problem, was to connect the i.d. mate to my Mac with 
>>>>> the USB cable that came with my Quest.  I don’t know if this will work 
>>>>> for the Stream.
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am having a similar issue with a micro SD card that is in my ID Mate. 
>>>>>> I need to copy it but neither the MacBook Pro nor the iMac recognize it. 
>>>>>> Neither machine even sees the ID Mate. The device does say that it’s 
>>>>>> connected via USB and is charging though. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a very old card reader with a micro slot that I’m considering 
>>>>>> trying but these things are so fragile I don’t want to break one of the 
>>>>>> little widgets used to lock the card.
>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a Mac and it has an SD card slot. I put the micro SD card inside 
>>>>>>> the adapter that came with it to make the micro card standard size. I 
>>>>>>> put the memory card in the slot and I get a message that says something 
>>>>>>> like the card you inserted cannot be read by this computer. I am then 
>>>>>>> given a choice to ignore, eject or initialize. I tried the initialize 
>>>>>>> option thinking it would give me a way to format the card. I believe 
>>>>>>> disk utility opened. I could not figure out anything past that. In the 
>>>>>>> table i made sure and select the card and then went to the main part of 
>>>>>>> the window and I just got information about my hard drive and not the 
>>>>>>> card. The GB of memory did not match the card. I did google how to 
>>>>>>> format the card but It was not fruitful. I need to use this card with 
>>>>>>> my stream. I tried formatting the card with the stream but that didn’t 
>>>>>>> help. The stream can read the card but my Mac cannot. I am running 
>>>>>>> latest version of El Capitan.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Christina
>>>>>>> 
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Re: can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

Gary, Did your mac recognize that you put a card in and could not read it, or 
did it not even respond? Just curious if my computer is having trouble reading 
the card due to formatting compatability issues or if my computer just cannot 
read micro SD cards.

Thanks,
Christina
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> BTW, En-Vision America has a great tech support.  They responded quickly.
> Gary
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh Gary, now I have to find that USB cable and try it. I have no earthly 
>> idea where it is. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had the same problem with the i.d. mate, as well.  The way I was able to 
>>> get around the problem, was to connect the i.d. mate to my Mac with the USB 
>>> cable that came with my Quest.  I don’t know if this will work for the 
>>> Stream.
>>> Gary
>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am having a similar issue with a micro SD card that is in my ID Mate. I 
>>>> need to copy it but neither the MacBook Pro nor the iMac recognize it. 
>>>> Neither machine even sees the ID Mate. The device does say that it’s 
>>>> connected via USB and is charging though. 
>>>> 
>>>> I have a very old card reader with a micro slot that I’m considering 
>>>> trying but these things are so fragile I don’t want to break one of the 
>>>> little widgets used to lock the card.
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a Mac and it has an SD card slot. I put the micro SD card inside 
>>>>> the adapter that came with it to make the micro card standard size. I put 
>>>>> the memory card in the slot and I get a message that says something like 
>>>>> the card you inserted cannot be read by this computer. I am then given a 
>>>>> choice to ignore, eject or initialize. I tried the initialize option 
>>>>> thinking it would give me a way to format the card. I believe disk 
>>>>> utility opened. I could not figure out anything past that. In the table i 
>>>>> made sure and select the card and then went to the main part of the 
>>>>> window and I just got information about my hard drive and not the card. 
>>>>> The GB of memory did not match the card. I did google how to format the 
>>>>> card but It was not fruitful. I need to use this card with my stream. I 
>>>>> tried formatting the card with the stream but that didn’t help. The 
>>>>> stream can read the card but my Mac cannot. I am running latest version 
>>>>> of El Capitan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Christina
>>>>> 
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Re: can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

Do you know if those card slots on a late 2011 Mac support micro SD cards? I’m 
afraid to try putting that little micro card in there to try it. So I used the 
adapter that came with the micro SD card. I will try connecting my stream via 
USB to see if the card can be read that way.

Christina
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Gary <gary.robl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I had the same problem with the i.d. mate, as well.  The way I was able to 
> get around the problem, was to connect the i.d. mate to my Mac with the USB 
> cable that came with my Quest.  I don’t know if this will work for the Stream.
> Gary
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am having a similar issue with a micro SD card that is in my ID Mate. I 
>> need to copy it but neither the MacBook Pro nor the iMac recognize it. 
>> Neither machine even sees the ID Mate. The device does say that it’s 
>> connected via USB and is charging though. 
>> 
>> I have a very old card reader with a micro slot that I’m considering trying 
>> but these things are so fragile I don’t want to break one of the little 
>> widgets used to lock the card.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac and it has an SD card slot. I put the micro SD card inside the 
>>> adapter that came with it to make the micro card standard size. I put the 
>>> memory card in the slot and I get a message that says something like the 
>>> card you inserted cannot be read by this computer. I am then given a choice 
>>> to ignore, eject or initialize. I tried the initialize option thinking it 
>>> would give me a way to format the card. I believe disk utility opened. I 
>>> could not figure out anything past that. In the table i made sure and 
>>> select the card and then went to the main part of the window and I just got 
>>> information about my hard drive and not the card. The GB of memory did not 
>>> match the card. I did google how to format the card but It was not 
>>> fruitful. I need to use this card with my stream. I tried formatting the 
>>> card with the stream but that didn’t help. The stream can read the card but 
>>> my Mac cannot. I am running latest version of El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina
>>> 
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can't get mac to work with micro Sd card

[Christina C.]

Hi all,

I have a Mac and it has an SD card slot. I put the micro SD card inside the 
adapter that came with it to make the micro card standard size. I put the 
memory card in the slot and I get a message that says something like the card 
you inserted cannot be read by this computer. I am then given a choice to 
ignore, eject or initialize. I tried the initialize option thinking it would 
give me a way to format the card. I believe disk utility opened. I could not 
figure out anything past that. In the table i made sure and select the card and 
then went to the main part of the window and I just got information about my 
hard drive and not the card. The GB of memory did not match the card. I did 
google how to format the card but It was not fruitful. I need to use this card 
with my stream. I tried formatting the card with the stream but that didn’t 
help. The stream can read the card but my Mac cannot. I am running latest 
version of El Capitan.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: something's seriously different on audible.com/library

[Christina C.]

Thanks so much for checking it out. I have not downloaded any apps in many 
months to my Mac. I got sighted assistance from two different people and they 
described everything to me that I was experiencing and I tried to explain it as 
best as I can. The big thing is that they both confirmed that there was not a 
table with a download button. I’m also wondering if when I click to try to 
change between grid view and list view it does not really seem that anything 
changes, maybe I am stuck in grid view and I should try an actual mouse click 
on the links. Maybe somehow my view has changed and a VO spacebar does not 
work. I really don’t know. 

I know this sounds weird, but I am going to go on my iPhone and see if the 
webpage in mobile is the same as I am experiencing on my Mac in Safari. Maybe 
somehow my Mac is visiting the mobile site. I know a long long long time ago I 
tried using the mobile site on my Mac but there was no library link and so I 
never tried the mobile site again. It’s so weird because I have never had this 
problem before. I have downloaded books onto my Mac many other times from 
Audible. Well, I rebooted my computer and I will also visit my library again 
and see what I get. 

Christina
> On Apr 16, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Christina,
> 
> I’ve just visited my audible.com library and everything is exactly as it was 
> with two tables, the second being the one with my books in it.
> Have you installed any software recently that could have affected Safari? 
> Several people I know have downloaded Mac Keeper and had endless trouble with 
> unwanted popup windows and such in Safari.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2016, at 19:35, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not an expert nor am I an idiot. Something is really different on the 
>> library page of my audible account on Safari. I can no longer navigate to 
>> the table with VO plus command plus T. There is something on the page saying 
>> that Audible has made enhancements to my library. VO is constantly getting 
>> bounced back to the top of the page. Also, I cannot find the download link 
>> in the same row as the book I want to download. I had to get sighted help 
>> and this is the best I can figure.
>> 
>> 1. Find the book in your library, VO right until you hear “quick Look” and 
>> select it.  I hear voice Over say something about a close Tray. I believe 
>> that the VO focus is on some kind of pop up on the screen. A problem occurs 
>> when VO cannot focus on this “Tray” but it seems to do Ok, until the next 
>> step.
>> 
>> 2. VO right arrow until you hear “download Options” and select it.
>> 
>> 3. This is where VO looses focus for me. I cannot VO right or left arrow to 
>> find the “Tray” or pop up or whatever it is. The best solution I can figure 
>> is to VO I to open the item chooser. Then I type in download and arrow down 
>> a bit to get to the correct download button. Then I select that, which takes 
>> me to the correct download button on the page to download the book. I was 
>> informed that it’s some kind of popup but VO seems to be calling it a Tray. 
>> Is their a way to access this Tray through some kind of VO command when it 
>> pops onto the screen but VO can’t seem to get to it? Using the item chooser 
>> seemed to work OK, but felt like more of a work around. :) 
>> 
>> Ok, I’d appreciate any help in understanding this change to Audible and how 
>> to navigate around it better. :( I want my old audible library back.
>> 
>> I also hope I was not too confusing as this was a bit difficult to explain.
>> 
>> Christina
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Re: Tray?

[Christina C.]

I will try VO + shift + J. I don’t mind sharing the site at all but it seems 
that I am the only who has experienced this on audible.com. I don’t know why 
but after I am logged in and click on library to download  a book onto my Mac 
the web page is totally different. There is not a table anymore with a download 
link in the same row as the book I want to download. On the main page of my 
library in audible, there is some kind of statement saying that Audible has 
made enhancements to my library. There is a link to change my library from grid 
view to list view, but neither of those have a link to download the book, only 
a listen now link that does not seem to do anything.

So, in the very different view of my library, if I go down and find the book I 
want and then click a link called quick look, then I get a popup and voice Over 
announces “close tray”. I then have to navigate around until I hear download 
options.  Once I click on that Another popup opens but VO seems to lose focus.

I don’t think you will be able to try this as a few people have told me that 
they are not experiencing this change to their library.  All I can tell you is 
that I have had sighted help from two different people and they have confirmed 
that there is no download button there anymore and they helped me figure out 
how to download my book Maybe things will go back to normal. I will try again 
since I have rebooted my Mac and I will try the website again to see if things 
have gone back to normal. :) 

Christina
> On Apr 16, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I understand that VO-Shift-J should do this, but I have not directly 
> experienced this working. Would you be willing to share the site, so that 
> somebody else can look at the exact issue?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2016, at 17:32, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve experienced something I haven’t encountered before on Safari. I click 
>> on a link and voice Over announces it’s on a close Tray window. A sighted 
>> assistant told me it’s some kind of floating popup on the screen. I don’t 
>> know if it’s specific to this website where they tagged the close button 
>> with “close tray” or if this is a voice Over feature announcing that I am in 
>> a “Tray” and I’m pretty confused. :) Sometimes Voice Over cannot seem to 
>> focus on this popup floating thingy/window. Is there a way to get voice Over 
>> focus to this floating thing/window?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
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Tray?

[Christina C.]

I’ve experienced something I haven’t encountered before on Safari. I click on a 
link and voice Over announces it’s on a close Tray window. A sighted assistant 
told me it’s some kind of floating popup on the screen. I don’t know if it’s 
specific to this website where they tagged the close button with “close tray” 
or if this is a voice Over feature announcing that I am in a “Tray” and I’m 
pretty confused. :) Sometimes Voice Over cannot seem to focus on this popup 
floating thingy/window. Is there a way to get voice Over focus to this floating 
thing/window?

Thanks,
Christina

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something's seriously different on audible.com/library

[Christina C.]

I’m not an expert nor am I an idiot. Something is really different on the 
library page of my audible account on Safari. I can no longer navigate to the 
table with VO plus command plus T. There is something on the page saying that 
Audible has made enhancements to my library. VO is constantly getting bounced 
back to the top of the page. Also, I cannot find the download link in the same 
row as the book I want to download. I had to get sighted help and this is the 
best I can figure.

1. Find the book in your library, VO right until you hear “quick Look” and 
select it.  I hear voice Over say something about a close Tray. I believe that 
the VO focus is on some kind of pop up on the screen. A problem occurs when VO 
cannot focus on this “Tray” but it seems to do Ok, until the next step.

2. VO right arrow until you hear “download Options” and select it.

3. This is where VO looses focus for me. I cannot VO right or left arrow to 
find the “Tray” or pop up or whatever it is. The best solution I can figure is 
to VO I to open the item chooser. Then I type in download and arrow down a bit 
to get to the correct download button. Then I select that, which takes me to 
the correct download button on the page to download the book. I was informed 
that it’s some kind of popup but VO seems to be calling it a Tray. Is their a 
way to access this Tray through some kind of VO command when it pops onto the 
screen but VO can’t seem to get to it? Using the item chooser seemed to work 
OK, but felt like more of a work around. :) 

Ok, I’d appreciate any help in understanding this change to Audible and how to 
navigate around it better. :( I want my old audible library back.

I also hope I was not too confusing as this was a bit difficult to explain.

Christina

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Re: Download audible book on mac?

[Christina C.]

A little bit more info. I noticed there is a link near the book title called 
quick look and that seemed to bring up more info including a link to rate the 
book and a link that said download options. I tried that and the screen 
refreshed and I heard voice Over say something about a tray. However, I went 
exploring I seemed to be back on the main library page and I did not find any 
download options and all appeared as it did before I clicked the quick look 
link. :( I double checked my download folder and there is no book downloading. 
:(  

Thanks,
Christina
> On Apr 14, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can’t find the download button, nor can I find the place to rate the books. 
> This is so strange. It’s been about a month or two since I last downloaded a 
> book using Safari on my Mac while in my audible library. However, in the past 
> there was always a table with lots of info including a place to rate the 
> books and a download button. I just can’t find it anywhere. I double checked 
> I am at audible.com/library. I am logged in. I can find the list of books I 
> have purchased, including my most recent purchase but i just can’t find the 
> download button. I can only find a play now which seems to do nothing. :(
> 
> Thanks for any help, I’m starting to panic as I need something to keep me 
> occupied during insomnia. :)
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:31 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Christina,
>> Well go to your library on audible. I usually turn on quick-nav and
>> keep hitting the g key which eventually will speak the name of the
>> book. Underneath where audible wants you to rate the book there will
>> be a pop-up menu that says deliver to... Just above that will be the
>> download link. Its kinda touchy, sometimes I find it right away and
>> other times i have to go forward and back with vo+arrows to find it.
>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/14/16, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’m confused. I purchased an audible book on my mac with Safari, went to my
>>> audible library to download it like I usually do. I can’t find the download
>>> link. I switched between grid view and list view and I still can’t find it.
>>> All I can find is a "listen now" and I click on it and as best I can figure
>>> nothing happens. I need to download the book to put it on my stream.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help,
>>> Christina
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Re: Download audible book on mac?

[Christina C.]

I can’t find the download button, nor can I find the place to rate the books. 
This is so strange. It’s been about a month or two since I last downloaded a 
book using Safari on my Mac while in my audible library. However, in the past 
there was always a table with lots of info including a place to rate the books 
and a download button. I just can’t find it anywhere. I double checked I am at 
audible.com/library. I am logged in. I can find the list of books I have 
purchased, including my most recent purchase but i just can’t find the download 
button. I can only find a play now which seems to do nothing. :(

Thanks for any help, I’m starting to panic as I need something to keep me 
occupied during insomnia. :)


> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:31 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Christina,
> Well go to your library on audible. I usually turn on quick-nav and
> keep hitting the g key which eventually will speak the name of the
> book. Underneath where audible wants you to rate the book there will
> be a pop-up menu that says deliver to... Just above that will be the
> download link. Its kinda touchy, sometimes I find it right away and
> other times i have to go forward and back with vo+arrows to find it.
> Hope this helps! Jeff
> 
> 
> On 4/14/16, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I’m confused. I purchased an audible book on my mac with Safari, went to my
>> audible library to download it like I usually do. I can’t find the download
>> link. I switched between grid view and list view and I still can’t find it.
>> All I can find is a "listen now" and I click on it and as best I can figure
>> nothing happens. I need to download the book to put it on my stream.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Christina
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Download audible book on mac?

[Christina C.]

Hello,

I’m confused. I purchased an audible book on my mac with Safari, went to my 
audible library to download it like I usually do. I can’t find the download 
link. I switched between grid view and list view and I still can’t find it.  
All I can find is a "listen now" and I click on it and as best I can figure 
nothing happens. I need to download the book to put it on my stream.

Thanks for any help,
Christina

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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Christina C.]

what is it supposed to accomplish?


> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
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> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe 
> gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I can’t 
> get it to work. 
> 
> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
> 
> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I just 
> need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
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Re: beginning of table in mail

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Thanks! Option, command, up or down arrow works for me as well. It takes me to 
the very top row of the column voice Over is in. So if I am in the subject 
field, it will take me all the way to the top or bottom row of the subject 
column, which is quite handy. VO,FN, plus left or right arrow also works and 
takes me to the very first or last cell of the table. Option plus up or down 
arrow does absolutely nothing on my late 2011 Mac running the latest version of 
El Capitan. It certainly seems that way anyways. :)

Thanks all, I may never solve the mystery as to why option plus up or down 
arrow does nothing for me and works for others, the great thing is that I can 
now get to the very beginning of my messages table or the top row of the column 
that I am in. It’s all good. :) That had been frustrating me for well over a 
month now. I appreciate all of the help.

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Re: notes app and evernote

[Christina C.]

Alex, that did not work. Thanks though because I never knew about that 
verbosity command. I still learned something new. :)


> On Mar 1, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> I'm not at my Mac to try this, but have you adjusted your verbosity? Hit 
> vo-v, right or left arrow to Verbosity, and up or down arrow to medium or 
> low. See if that helps. 
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Re: beginning of table in mail

[Christina C.]

Weird, neither one of my option keys plus up or down arrow works weather I am 
interacting with the messages table or not. I am on latest El Capitan.  I do 
get an announcement that says “field selected when I try the option up arrow 
when I am not interacting with the table but when I do interact my cursor seems 
to be in the exact same place and does not move to the beginning of the table.

The good news is that VO, FN, left or right arrow work like a charm. :)

Christina


> On Mar 2, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Option-Up or Down Arrow works for me whether interacting or not in the latest 
> version of El Capitan.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
>> On 2 Mar 2016, at 13:13, Jürgen Fleger <apple-engl...@fleger.net> wrote:
>> 
>> @Christina: I beleive it sets the cursor to the first or last element that’s 
>> visible on screen.
>> 
>> @Alex and Rick: Option + arrow up or down works - what a pitty - only in 
>> older versions of Mac OS but not in Yosemite or El Capitan. At least it 
>> doesn’t work on my Mac using 10.11.3, either interacted or not.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 02.03.2016 um 00:02 schrieb Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com>:
>>> 
>>> Are you interacting with the table? As far as I know, you have to NOT be 
>>> interacting for that command to work. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 1, 2016, at 16:14, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmmm, I can’t get option up or down arrow to do anything. What am I doing 
>>>> wrong? Quick Nav is turned off
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Christina
>>>>> On Mar 1, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I press option up arrow or down arrow to get to the top/bottom of the 
>>>>> table.
>>>>> 
>>>>> hth
>>>>>> On Mar 1, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I cannot get Vo, shift, FN, left arrow to take me to the beginning of 
>>>>>> the table in mail. This issue started with El Capitan. Any ideas, Did 
>>>>>> the key combinations change? I do not have quick nav on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Christina
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Re: beginning of table in mail

[Christina C.]

Hmmm, I can’t get option up or down arrow to do anything. What am I doing 
wrong? Quick Nav is turned off


Christina
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> Hi,
> 
> I press option up arrow or down arrow to get to the top/bottom of the table.
> 
> hth
>> On Mar 1, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I cannot get Vo, shift, FN, left arrow to take me to the beginning of the 
>> table in mail. This issue started with El Capitan. Any ideas, Did the key 
>> combinations change? I do not have quick nav on.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
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Re: beginning of table in mail

[Christina C.]

Oh, thanks, that worked. what does vo, FN, shift, left or right arrow do now?  
I don’t get it, is it page up and page down?

Thanks,
Christina
> On Mar 1, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Jürgen Fleger <apple-engl...@fleger.net> wrote:
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> Hi Christina,
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> Apple added a new key combination for this: VO + FN + arrow right or left
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
>> Am 01.03.2016 um 17:55 schrieb Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> I cannot get Vo, shift, FN, left arrow to take me to the beginning of the 
>> table in mail. This issue started with El Capitan. Any ideas, Did the key 
>> combinations change? I do not have quick nav on.
>> 
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beginning of table in mail

[Christina C.]

I cannot get Vo, shift, FN, left arrow to take me to the beginning of the table 
in mail. This issue started with El Capitan. Any ideas, Did the key 
combinations change? I do not have quick nav on.

Thanks,
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notes app and evernote

[Christina C.]

Hello,

On my mac I used to find the notes app to be just fine for quickly jotting down 
notes, especially from phone calls. Now when I use it I constantly hear voice 
Over saying “body, body, body” and I find this extremely annoying. This is very 
frustrating when I am navigating through notes to review or find information 
from my notes. I know voice Over is just announcing the style of my text but is 
there any way to make voice Over stop doing this? It’s making it very difficult 
to review my notes.

As a side thought, is EverNote voice Over friendly on the mac or iOS? Maybe I 
should switch to a different app for taking notes? It’s just so quick, or at 
least it used to be quick to take notes on my Mac or iPhone, especially if I 
use Siri to create a note for me.  Does EverNote have a mac app or just a web 
interface. I don’t know anything much about EverNote other than a lot of people 
use it.

BTW, I am using El Capitan.

Thanks,
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full keyboard for Mac

[Christina C.]

Hello,

Can anyone suggest a good keyboard for my Mac with a num pad? Wired or wireless 
is fine, I prefer budget friendly  but I am open to ideas as long as it is easy 
to set up as a blind person and works well with all the voice Over key 
combinations. It also does not have to be apple brand. I actually have trouble 
pairing this apple blue tooth keyboard because I can’t tell if it’s in pairing 
mode or even on. I also hate constantly changing the batteries on this one, for 
some reason the batteries die quickly. I really miss having a num pad and would 
love to get a keyboard with a num pad because it’s much easier for me to type 
numbers quickly and accurately that way.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

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Bottom line for me is that I trust apple. I have for years. They say if you are 
an apple fan to never get too attached to anything because apple likes to 
change things up. :) No company is perfect so I don’t expect perfection but I 
do trust that if apple makes a change it will all be just fine. Sometimes 
change is for the better and sometimes it’s a mistake but either way, I’m just 
not worried. The current headphone jack has been around for a long  long 
time…so, who knows? I’m sure that some people freaked out when apple went with 
a smooth touch screen on their phones instead of the tactile num pad. Wow, I 
cannot imagine our society today without our smart phones and their touch 
screens. I remember when  some people thought there was no way that the 
VI/blind community could ever use a touch screen. I’m just saying, relax. :) 
I’m just not worried, not to mention the fact that this is all speculation and 
rumors, we’ll cross that bridge if and when we get to it. If it happens, it 
happens and we will probably deal with the minor inconvenience of getting used 
to the change or maybe even love it. That’s just part of our modern world and 
the way of technology growing and changing. It’s not just apple. :)

Christina

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Re: Why do I want an Airport router?

[Christina C.]

Alex,

I don’t have the link handy but somewhere on apple’s website they have a chart 
comparing the express, extreme, and time capsule. We are actually wanting to 
update our almost 4 year old time capsule and so we are in the market for a 
router and I find this conversation very interesting.

One thing to think about if you are considering purchasing an apple router is 
if it is a good time to buy or if apple is about to update or refresh the 
current model. This is the thing I have been trying to figure out because I 
don’t want to purchase one and then in three months apple updates the model I 
just purchased.  I can’t seem to find any information as to what year the 
current model is. I don’t know if the apple airport extreme came out this year 
or two or three years ago. I do know that it’s newer than my time Capsule. That 
is all I can figure out so far.

Also, I love having a guest network from the apple router. I don’t know what 
other routers offer this. It gives me peace of mind when my kids neighborhood 
friends want to use our wifi when they come over. I don’t mind sharing the 
guest network at all. :) I don’t have to give out our password to our personal 
wifi nor do I have to even worry one tiny bit about hacking from all these 
kids. ha ha, not likely but I feel much better when it’s not even a factor and 
I can be generous instead of cringing when people ask for our wifi password.  
I’m sure that there are other routers that have a guest network I just don’t 
know of them. My husband wanted to try google’s router but best we can figure, 
their is no guest network and I don’t know if it would be accessible. Our next 
router definitely needs to have a guest network. I have heard that there are 
faster and better routers than apple’s but I guess it comes down to trust and 
ease of use, especially with regards to accessibility. 

We do use a airport express as a wireless wifi extender. I don’t know if an 
express can be used with any brand of router but it does work well with our 
time capsule.

Please share any info you learn through your research because I am open to 
trying something new but only if I know that I won’t have to have sighted 
assistance do everything for me.  I surely would love something friendlier to 
my wallet. :) I’m pretty sure that in the end we will stick with apple but I 
prefer to make an informed choice.

Christina

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

[Christina C.]

Hmm, I’m not convinced that making the thinnest iPhone ever is their priority. 
The newest iPhone is a tad thicker than the previous year and I personally 
think that a better battery should be the priority over a thinner phone. That’s 
just me though. I believe their are other waterproof phones on the market. Do 
these have regular headphone jacks. My philosophy is not to stress about it 
because rumors and speculation are just that. I guess only time will tell what 
apple’s “secret” plans are. :)

Christina
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 12:12 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> According to various rumour sources, there are a few reasons Apple is likely 
> to abandon the headset jack.
> 
> Thin iPhone - the iPhone is as thin as it can be currently. Apple likes thin 
> devices, and so do several 'people I have asked. The jack needs to go for any 
> thinner to be possible.
> 
> Water resistance - Apparently, Apple is looking to make a waterproof device. 
> they reportedly can make the lightning port waterproof, but not the headset 
> jack.
> 
> End-to-end display - Apple has pattented a way to embed a fingerprint reader 
> across the bottom of the display, so no more home button. The display 
> technology requires the space that the headset jack is currently occupying.
> 
> Reportedly, Apple has a lightning to 3.5 mm headset adaptor. However, there 
> are some rumours claiming Apple will replace the lightning port for the USB 
> port found in the new MacBook.
> 
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question about blind square

[Christina C.]

I finally purchased the blind square app this weekend since I got an iTunes 
gift card as a gift.  :)  I don’t understand what the four square is. I know I 
don’t have to sign up to use blind square. Do any of you find it helpful to 
sign up for four square? Are the locations in four square user submitted or 
something? I noticed quite a few places do not have addresses and there are 
lots of odd named places that sound fake. One example was sitting here at the 
red light at such and such cross street. Also, a hotel called bump and grind, 
and a school called Dork High. Those are just a few, there were a lot of things 
like that in my area.

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mac compatible accessible digital recorder

[Christina C.]

Hello,

Can I get some suggestions for digital recorders that are blind friendly and 
mac compatible with voice Over. I find that I need to record things since I 
can’t write them down. I want to be able to quickly record a note. I find using 
my iPhone inconvenient cuz I don’t tend to carry it around with me all day long 
in my pocket. I also find it takes so very many taps to record a quick memo and 
then voiceOver gets in the recording or I then have to do more tricks and 
tapping to turn speech off after focus is on the record button. Plus I cannot 
record notes to myself when on a phone call and I just need to record a phone 
number or a couple of little things while on the phone.

I’d appreciate any information even if it’s an iOS app that you have found to 
require minimal tapping and such. I do think a mac compatible and blind 
compatible digital recorder may suit me best though. 

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: discovered a movie rental with audible narration

[Christina C.]

Do you know if anyone has started a list on the internet with a list of movies 
offered by apple that has the audible narration? Is there a discussion on 
applevis somewhere where people can post movies they have discovered that have 
audible narration? I guess we would have to specify that it only works on apple 
TV. It’s exciting that apple is working on this. Yay!

Christina
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Currently, the only way I know to do this is via an Apple TV with the latest 
> tvOS. I've emailed Apple about this, and they say they're working on the 
> problem. However, there's not yet a solution. Some movies say they have 
> description right in the title, but now we're seeing some that have 
> descriptions without indicating that at all. Here's hoping this gets fixed 
> soon! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 18:26, Christina <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My apologies for not being very clear. I rented the movie from Apple. I want 
>> to know how to figure out which movies I can rent or purchase from Apple 
>> that will have descriptive narration. I did not watch the movie on Netflix.  
>> Thank U
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Netflex should be able to offer footnotes on the audio description.
>>> Here is a link:
>>> 
>>> http://acb.org/adp/netflixad.html
>>> 
>>> Enjoy watching!
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 12/31/15, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> How do you find out if a movie rental or purchase will contain
>>>> descriptive/audible narration. we just rented The scorch trials from the
>>>> apple TV and were surprised that the rental contained audible narration. I
>>>> would definitely rent or purchase certain movies if I knew they had audible
>>>> narration.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Christina
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discovered a movie rental with audible narration

[Christina C.]

Hello all,

How do you find out if a movie rental or purchase will contain 
descriptive/audible narration. we just rented The scorch trials from the apple 
TV and were surprised that the rental contained audible narration. I would 
definitely rent or purchase certain movies if I knew they had audible narration.

Thanks,
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apple music on apple TV

[Christina C.]

Hello,

Is there a way to switch back and forth between  family members in the apple 
music area of the apple TV? I am the one currently logged in but what if my 
kids who are using Family share want to switch to their apple music so that 
they can listen to their own music library with their own playlists and such. 
We all have different tastes. :)

Thanks,
Christina

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question about turning iCloud on for apple Music

[Christina C.]

Hello,

I was wondering if this was normal behavior. On my Mac I opted to turn on the 
iCloud portion of apple Music so that any apple music songs I aded would be on 
my computer and my iPhone. However, iTunes added my entire music library, even 
songs ripped from CDs onto my iCloud apple music. Is this normal behavior. I 
thought this only happened if I signed up for iTunes Match. I have checked and 
I am not subscribed to iTunes Match. 

I find this very frustrating because I tried creating a smart playlist in order 
to see only the apple music songs that I do not own but have added to my 
library. I can’t get this smart playlist to work properly because instead of 
only adding the 20 or so songs that I have added from apple music, this 
playlist has over a thousand songs because it is adding everything from my 
music library that is in the cloud instead of just the apple music songs. :(

Thanks for any help or clarification.

Christina

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help adding identity to onePassword

[Christina C.]

Hi,

In onePassword, I went to file,new, then identity. I found the table where I 
add my name and such. However, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to 
get into the fields and enter my information. I’m in the main Password app, not 
the mini or the web extension.

I’d appreciate any help with this.

Christina

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Re: help adding identity to onePassword

[Christina C.]

That worked. Tabbing didn’t work for me because I could not tell what field I 
was in, as you stated. I did get stuck in the birthdate area. I  had difficulty 
figuring out how to fill that part out and just finally got lucky. I’d 
appreciate any tips on that if you understand the date better than I did. I 
also seemed to get stuck in there with VO. I finally kept hitting escape a lot 
of times and then I finally got out of there. I’m just not exactly sure how I 
got out of there.

Thanks,
Christina
> On Oct 12, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> When interacting with the details table, you can use VO-left and right to get 
> to the appropriate field, then interact with it to edit. For instance, there 
> are sections for different kinds of information, like identification. Below 
> that, you will see First Name. Interact with that, then VO-right to enter 
> your name. Keep doing this for each one. You can also tab through them, 
> although the labels do not read with VoiceOver this way.
> 
> Going to file a request to see if something can be done about that. I've 
> always done it by using the VoiceOver cursor, and I rarely tab through, so I 
> didn't think about that.
> 
> Nicolai
>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In onePassword, I went to file,new, then identity. I found the table where I 
>> add my name and such. However, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to 
>> get into the fields and enter my information. I’m in the main Password app, 
>> not the mini or the web extension.
>> 
>> I’d appreciate any help with this.
>> 
>> Christina
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Re: Nisus, Word, or pages?

[Christina C.]

Ok, I apologize for my confusion, are you guys saying that you use pages? Or 
are you guys saying that you don’t like any of the solutions? I am hoping that 
I can learn one and stick with it. :)

Christina

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Re: I must be going crazy! Two things I cannot find.

[Christina C.]

Not sure of the details but I think urban spoon is now called Zomato. You can 
google it if you want more info. I didn’t use urban spoon so I really don’t 
know anything. I just caught wind of the change from word of mouth. :)

Christina
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> First off, on my IPhone, what ever happened to the Urban Spoon app?  Is it 
> gone?  I don't see it anywhere in the app store.  If it's gone, can you all 
> suggest something which would be comparable?
>  
> Secondly, I very well may have misheard, but I thought I'd heard about 2 or 3 
> people say that in El Capitan, there were some new voices which got added.  I 
> definitely don't see them, and yes, I did look under the custom option in 
> Voiceover Utility/Speech category/voice.  All I see are the norms, then of 
> corse the Nuance voices, and my few Acapela voices.  Nothing jumps out at me 
> though.
>  
> Chris.
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Nisus, Word, or pages?

[Christina C.]

Hello,

I would love some opinions about Word Processing on the Mac with Voice Over.  I 
seem to remember hearing great stuff about Nisus some time back. I looked it up 
in the Mac app store and noticed it hasn’t been updated since 2013. I also have 
seem some recent vague discussion on Office 365 for Mac. Of course, I have 
heard of pages since it’s made by apple.  I am looking for a long term solution 
that is feature rich and easy to use with VoiceOver. I also need the documents 
to be easily convertible for people who are on a PC. Great costumer support is 
also hoped for. :)  I also think it would be super to sync with my iDevices or 
also maybe even transfer to voice Dream Writer and then maybe back again into 
the word Processor of choice.

I’d appreciate any advice or shared experiences.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: I must be going crazy! Two things I cannot find.

[Christina C.]

Bummer, why didn’t they just change the name? Why did they have to go and make 
the app less voice Over friendly? I would contact them if I were you.

Christina 
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, it looks like this is definitely the app, but it's not seeming to be 
> very accessible like before.  Lots of things are unlabeled.  Oh well.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> ----- Original Message - 
>> From: Christina C. <mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 11:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: I must be going crazy! Two things I cannot find.
>> 
>> Not sure of the details but I think urban spoon is now called Zomato. You 
>> can google it if you want more info. I didn’t use urban spoon so I really 
>> don’t know anything. I just caught wind of the change from word of mouth. :)
>> 
>> Christina
>>> On Oct 11, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> First off, on my IPhone, what ever happened to the Urban Spoon app?  Is it 
>>> gone?  I don't see it anywhere in the app store.  If it's gone, can you all 
>>> suggest something which would be comparable?
>>>  
>>> Secondly, I very well may have misheard, but I thought I'd heard about 2 or 
>>> 3 people say that in El Capitan, there were some new voices which got 
>>> added.  I definitely don't see them, and yes, I did look under the custom 
>>> option in Voiceover Utility/Speech category/voice.  All I see are the 
>>> norms, then of corse the Nuance voices, and my few Acapela voices.  Nothing 
>>> jumps out at me though.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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one password questions

[Christina C.]

Hello all,

The One password for Mac is on sale for $29.99. I’m not positive how good of a 
deal this is or how long it will last but I’m thinking of purchasing it and I 
have a couple of questions.

1. Is it VO accessible on the mac and iOS? If so, to what extent, fully 
accessible, or are some aspects of One password in accessible to voice Over?

2. I tried Last Pass quite some time ago but I gave up on it because it seemed 
to mess up my browsing experience in Safari on the Mac. My cursor would 
constantly jump around and I would lose focus. All of this stopped once I quit 
Last Pass. Anyways, does this same problem occur with One Password while in 
Safari on the Mac?

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: one password questions

[Christina C.]

Have you read the description in the Mac App Store? That may give you the 
information you need. One Password is also cross platform if you need that. Of 
course, I don’t know about the accessibility of one password on Android. I’m 
also not sure if it’s on PC. I only know about apple stuff.

Christina
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Michael <mich...@yourownpay.com> wrote:
> 
> What benefits does this program provide over the ability of synchronizing 
> passwords and credit card information through iCloud? Does one password and 
> have additional features iCloud doesn't offer?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Nicolai Svendsen <chojiro1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I would take it!  1Password, in my opinion, is a fantastic app. So is their 
>> browser extension.
>> 
>> I use it all the time, both on iOS and OS X. They are also very open to 
>> feedback regarding accessibility, and they usually always respond, even on 
>> Twitter.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> The One password for Mac is on sale for $29.99. I’m not positive how good 
>>> of a deal this is or how long it will last but I’m thinking of purchasing 
>>> it and I have a couple of questions.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is it VO accessible on the mac and iOS? If so, to what extent, fully 
>>> accessible, or are some aspects of One password in accessible to voice Over?
>>> 
>>> 2. I tried Last Pass quite some time ago but I gave up on it because it 
>>> seemed to mess up my browsing experience in Safari on the Mac. My cursor 
>>> would constantly jump around and I would lose focus. All of this stopped 
>>> once I quit Last Pass. Anyways, does this same problem occur with One 
>>> Password while in Safari on the Mac?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina
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Re: cursor tracking in Finder is broken

[Christina C.]

This only happens in Finder or finder like environments. For example, If I am 
in text edit and I bring up the save document dialogue box, if I want to choose 
a location other than the default to save my document, the voiceOver cursor 
gets stuck. It’s very frustrating and I end up asking for sighted assistance. 
:(I do not have any activities created. I make sure quick Nav is turned off, 
and yes I have tried turning cursor tracking off and then on again. Sometimes 
turning voice Over on and then off again works, but sometimes it doesn’t work. 
:( I am at a loss and very frustrated. I also deleted my fancy voices in case 
that was causing a problem. I’ve heard of people resetting their voice Over 
settings and how that fixes some problems. How do I do this and what kinds of 
problems might this cause?

Thanks,
Christina
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does cursor tracking work anywhere else on the Mac question that is, is it 
> only happening in finder? Do you have quick nav on? Have you tried toggling 
> cursor tracking with VO plus shift plus F three?
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am still on latest version of Yosemite. I have had this problem for 
>> several months and it’s driving me bonkers. I have cursor tracking on and I 
>> am using list view in Finder. I cannot get the voiceOver cursor to enter the 
>> list of files. It stays stuck in the column headers. I can kind of arrow 
>> around with just the arrow keys (not the VO left and right arrows) in the 
>> file list but I can’t get any other information. It’s like the voice Over 
>> curser will not follow the keyboard curser. I have tried tabbing and 
>> everything else I can think of. Does anyone know a fix for this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
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Re: cursor tracking in Finder is broken

[Christina C.]

Hmm, let me try to explain better. :)

I have quick Nav off and I am in list view in a finder window.

I went to the sidebar and selected documents. Then I Vo right arrow and hear 
vertical splitter. Then i VO right again and hear scroll area. Then I interact 
with the “scroll area.” Then I hear “list view table, six items” and when I try 
to vo down, like I used to, I hear the actual word “name” then I VO down arrow 
because this sounds like a column header and I get a bonk. Then if I VO right 
arrow I hear the other column headers for each time I VO right until I get to 
the end, where I get a bonk. This has happened since Yosemite. 

Ok, now I feel extremely stupid. While I was slowly going through this process 
to type out the issue in detail, I paid closer attention and noticed after I 
interact with the scroll area the first thing I hear”list view table” and so I 
interacted with it. I feel so dumb but I was then able to interact with the 
table/list of files. I never used to have to interact so many times in the 
past. I have been having this trouble for months and months and it was all 
because I needed to interact an extra time. Plus, why does VO mention the table 
first and then name off the column headers after the table? I think that must 
be why I was so confused because in my head the column headers would be spoken 
before the table itself.

So, now I have another question, is this how it is for everyone else, or is 
something still weird with my computer? Why did they change it so that I now 
have to interact so many times. I don’t remember it being a scroll area before 
but just a list view or table. What is the benefit of this?

My apologies and thank you’s. If you all hadn’t asked me such good questions, I 
never would have figured this out. It has been driving me mad for so long. 
Thank you all. In conclusion, voice Over tracking is not broken. It just 
appeared that way to me since I was too dense to figure out how to use this 
finder window sooner. :)

Christina .
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Odd question, but this is an odd problem. :) Are you, in fact, in headers? 
> Vo-shift-backslash will toggle them; perhaps you've enabled them somehow? 
> Also, when you say that VO doesn't give more information, what do you mean? 
> Column view, for instance, won't provide anything other than the name of the 
> file or folder; might the one folder be in column view and you didn't notice? 
> My music folder is stuck that way for some reason, though everywhere else 
> uses list view with no problem.
>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:39, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This only happens in Finder or finder like environments. For example, If I 
>> am in text edit and I bring up the save document dialogue box, if I want to 
>> choose a location other than the default to save my document, the voiceOver 
>> cursor gets stuck. It’s very frustrating and I end up asking for sighted 
>> assistance. :(I do not have any activities created. I make sure quick Nav is 
>> turned off, and yes I have tried turning cursor tracking off and then on 
>> again. Sometimes turning voice Over on and then off again works, but 
>> sometimes it doesn’t work. :( I am at a loss and very frustrated. I also 
>> deleted my fancy voices in case that was causing a problem. I’ve heard of 
>> people resetting their voice Over settings and how that fixes some problems. 
>> How do I do this and what kinds of problems might this cause?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
>>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does cursor tracking work anywhere else on the Mac question that is, is it 
>>> only happening in finder? Do you have quick nav on? Have you tried toggling 
>>> cursor tracking with VO plus shift plus F three?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I am still on latest version of Yosemite. I have had this problem for 
>>>> several months and it’s driving me bonkers. I have cursor tracking on and 
>>>> I am using list view in Finder. I cannot get the voiceOver cursor to enter 
>>>> the list of files. It stays stuck in the column headers. I can kind of 
>>>> arrow around with just the arrow keys (not the VO left and right arrows) 
>>>> in the file list but I can’t get any other information. It’s like the 
>>>> voice Over curser will not follow the keyboard curser. I have tried 
>>>> tabbing and everything else I can think of. Does anyone know a fix for 
>>&

Re: cursor tracking in Finder is broken

[Christina C.]

Thanks, I had been using just the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, before 
today. That is how I was able to work with finder all these months. However, I 
couldn’t dig in like I needed to. I am finally able to clean up my desktop. 
Every time I went to save a document I could not figure out how to easily 
change folders and everything was saving to my desktop. Now, I know I just have 
to interact more and hopefully, I can keep my desktop cleaner. :)

Christina

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cursor tracking in Finder is broken

[Christina C.]

Hello,

I am still on latest version of Yosemite. I have had this problem for several 
months and it’s driving me bonkers. I have cursor tracking on and I am using 
list view in Finder. I cannot get the voiceOver cursor to enter the list of 
files. It stays stuck in the column headers. I can kind of arrow around with 
just the arrow keys (not the VO left and right arrows) in the file list but I 
can’t get any other information. It’s like the voice Over curser will not 
follow the keyboard curser. I have tried tabbing and everything else I can 
think of. Does anyone know a fix for this?

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: Voiceover goes round and around.

[Christina C.]

I am on Yosemite and I have this problem and the allow cursor wrapping is 
unchecked. I mainly encounter this wrapping problem in dialogue boxes, 
settings, and help areas.

On Oct 7, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> THe strange thing is that i didn’t find it there.
> But i did a reset of my voiceover prefs and that solved the problem.
> /A
>> On 07 Oct 2015, at 13:11, Debbie April Yuille  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, thanks Anne. I had forgotten where that setting was myself.
>> 
>> Debbie
>> 
>> Debbie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2015 8:26 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voiceover goes round and around.
>> 
>> Hello Anders,
>> 
>> The setting is the checkbox Allow cursor wrapping and it should be 
>> unchecked. It’s in Navigation in the VoiceOver Utility.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2015, at 09:16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I can’t for the life of me remember where this setting is:
>>> But now voiceover doesn’t stop at the bottom of the screen.
>>> It goes back to the top again.
>>> But where is the settings for this?
>>> It drives me mad!
>>> /A
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Re: opening files in messages on Mac

[Christina C.]

Hi Alex,

When you are in the finder, bring up the contextual menu for the file that you 
want to send, choose, share, messages. That is how you can message a file to 
someone. :) I checked my downloads folder and I could not find it. However, I 
figured out that you have to do an actual double mouse click. It’s a bit hit 
and miss though. I think the mouse pointer needs to be in the correct spot.  

Christina
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I haven't tried this--I never knew you could send files like that via 
> iMessage--but what about Downloads? Generally, things like that end up in the 
> Downloads folder by default; have you looked in there? Just a thought.
>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 20:15, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I can’t figure out how to open a RTF filed that was messaged to me on my mac 
>> in the messages/iMessages application. I tried Vo spacebar, routing the 
>> mouse to the file name and performing an actual mouse click. I also tried 
>> bringing up the contextual menu but just get some unrelated options, like 
>> clear chat transcript.
>> 
>> I’d appreciate any help. Thanks so very much.
>> 
>> Christina
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opening files in messages on Mac

[Christina C.]

Hello,

I can’t figure out how to open a RTF filed that was messaged to me on my mac in 
the messages/iMessages application. I tried Vo spacebar, routing the mouse to 
the file name and performing an actual mouse click. I also tried bringing up 
the contextual menu but just get some unrelated options, like clear chat 
transcript.

I’d appreciate any help. Thanks so very much.

Christina

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Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Christina C.]

Christine,

Have you tried turning quick nav off and when you get close to the table just 
using the arrow keys without any modifiers? If I can arrow down into the table 
, sometimes, once I am there I can then use the VO plus arrow keys to navigate. 
Using the arrow keys alone along with the correct toggle of vo plus equal sign 
is helping but not perfect. :( Also, I am using DOM mode. I have not tried 
using group mode for navigating website to see if that makes any difference.  

Christina
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> 
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> Yes, . . . this definitely has helped, but I, too, am having a serious hit 
> and miss issue which I have absolutely never experienced before. Of course, 
> given that fact, it seems that everywhere I go on the web now has tables with 
> which I must deal. *Grumble*.
> Christine
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks that all makes sense. Strangely I am still having lots of trouble 
>> with tables. It is hit and miss. One thing I figured out to help a little 
>> bit is to use the down arrow to get into the table. Not a VO down arrow but 
>> just the down arrow with quick nav turned off. 
>> 
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Re: using drop box for photos was Re: Is iPhoto obsolete now?

[Christina C.]

Does drop box automatically organize them into some kind of folder system or 
are all of the pictures just in a single folder with a huge list of photos.

Thanks,
Christina
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't remember exactly how I set that up to work or if it was accidental, 
> but now when I connect my phone to my Mac if Dropbox finds new photos/videos, 
> it syncs them to the photos folder and you can just go through and browse it 
> quickly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Jessica,
>> 
>> Can you please elaborate or point me to a source as to why and how you find 
>> dropBox easier for your photos. I really can’t do a darn thing with the 
>> photos themselves but I do like how apple’s photos app automatically 
>> organizes them. I suppose maybe some of my family members would want to edit 
>> photos one day but really I just need somewhere to keep them organized for 
>> me.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:39 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I almost never use that anymore sense all my new photos on my phone import 
>>> to Dropbox which I find a lot easier.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes to all. iPhoto is gone; Photos is the replacement; it is accessible, 
>>>> so far as I know. It requires a lot of interacting in places, but it's 
>>>> usable. That said, I use it less often than you do, so I can't give much 
>>>> detail, sorry.
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 14:42, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok, I am behind I guess. I rarely used iPhoto on the Mac since I can’t 
>>>>> see the photos. Anyways, occasionally I do have family  photos or videos 
>>>>> to organize. My family members take the pics. Anyways, I opened iPhoto 
>>>>> and I got a message that my photos were migrated to Photos. So, is iPhoto 
>>>>> obsolete? Is the photos app the replacement and is it just as useful. I’m 
>>>>> just confused. Is it basically voiceOver accessible, besides the obvious 
>>>>> fact that I cannot see the photos themselves? :) I mainly use it to store 
>>>>> the pictures for my family and don’t mess with or edit the actual photos.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Christina
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Re: Odd webpage behaviour.

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Ok, try this. Navigate to the cell with the User’s guide link. Then interact 
with it. If you VO left and right you will notice two places you can go. Voice 
Over has nothing to say for the first place, but the second place Voice Over 
will read out the name of the file. Go back to the silent/first option. if you 
bring up the context menu you will get some options to download linked file or 
open linked file in new window. I did not try any of these options. I hope this 
will work for you. Also, I did a duck duck go search for your printer plus the 
words user’s guide and in my search results some of the results appeared to be 
direct links to the PDF. However, I wasn’t positive of your exact model nor did 
I know what language you needed so I did not copy and paste the links here.

Good luck,
Christina
> On Sep 23, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes i did.
> No luck.
> /A
>> 23 sep. 2015 kl. 00:31 skrev Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Did you try an actual mouse click? Sometimes when I can’t get something to 
>> download from Safari, I try an actual mouse click, where the mouse pointer 
>> actually clicks and it will work for me. I have not visited this website 
>> though to test it.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> Christina
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can browse it just fine, but I can't get the download to work either. I'm 
>>> not sure why, but it simply refuses to initiate the download.
>>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:52, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> I am trying to download a manual from the hp website with my mac.
>>>> Its a manual for the hp laserjet pro 1102W printer.
>>>> http://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-LaserJet-P1100-Printer-series/4110394/model/4110306/manuals/
>>>>  
>>>> <http://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-LaserJet-P1100-Printer-series/4110394/model/4110306/manuals/>
>>>>  
>>>> However safari don’t like the page and crashing.
>>>> Chrome can handle the page but i can not seem to download the manual.
>>>> If someone has better luck with this site i’d be happy to get help from 
>>>> you.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> /A
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Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Christina C.]

Thanks that all makes sense. Strangely I am still having lots of trouble with 
tables. It is hit and miss. One thing I figured out to help a little bit is to 
use the down arrow to get into the table. Not a VO down arrow but just the down 
arrow with quick nav turned off. 

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Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Christina C.]

Oh my gosh! I was having the exact same problem. I could not figure out what 
was going on.  I tried VO plus the equal sign and all I got was a bonk sound 
but suddenly I could access a table that I could not before.

Can you please explain what this vo plus equal sign command is for. I don’t 
understand it. I tried the keystroke a few more times and Vo just says table 
interaction required or table interaction not required. I don’t understand 
this.  In the past, before a few minutes ago and trying the vo plus equal sign, 
no matter how many times I tried to get voice Over to interact with a table it 
absolutely would not. VoiceOver would just act as if the table did not exist 
and I kept having to get sighted assistance. The only reason I knew there was a 
problem was because I had been to the sight in the past and new something was 
wrong. All seems to be working now but I would love to understand this command 
better if possible. Thanks so much!

Christina
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> The first thing that comes to mind is table intractability. I know it's 
> probably not the issue, but give it a shot. Hit vo-equals on a webpage and 
> see if tables start working normally again. If not, hit it again to turn it 
> back off.
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 13:43, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The subject says it all. I have tried interacting and not. I have tried 
>> using the arrow keys. I never had trouble prior to this, but absolutely no 
>> table within Safari is behaving for me. Am I overlooking something? Could I 
>> have inadvertently made some change that has caused this to occur? I did try 
>> changing web browsers, but I am still not having any luck. I have searched 
>> for items I knew were present in the tables, but again, no luck. I do not 
>> know what else to do. Help please!
>> Christine
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Re: Odd webpage behaviour.

[Christina C.]

Did you try an actual mouse click? Sometimes when I can’t get something to 
download from Safari, I try an actual mouse click, where the mouse pointer 
actually clicks and it will work for me. I have not visited this website though 
to test it.

Good Luck,
Christina
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> I can browse it just fine, but I can't get the download to work either. I'm 
> not sure why, but it simply refuses to initiate the download.
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:52, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I am trying to download a manual from the hp website with my mac.
>> Its a manual for the hp laserjet pro 1102W printer.
>> http://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-LaserJet-P1100-Printer-series/4110394/model/4110306/manuals/
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> However safari don’t like the page and crashing.
>> Chrome can handle the page but i can not seem to download the manual.
>> If someone has better luck with this site i’d be happy to get help from you.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> /A
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using drop box for photos was Re: Is iPhoto obsolete now?

[Christina C.]

Jessica,

Can you please elaborate or point me to a source as to why and how you find 
dropBox easier for your photos. I really can’t do a darn thing with the photos 
themselves but I do like how apple’s photos app automatically organizes them. I 
suppose maybe some of my family members would want to edit photos one day but 
really I just need somewhere to keep them organized for me.

Thanks,
Christina
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:39 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I almost never use that anymore sense all my new photos on my phone import to 
> Dropbox which I find a lot easier.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes to all. iPhoto is gone; Photos is the replacement; it is accessible, so 
>> far as I know. It requires a lot of interacting in places, but it's usable. 
>> That said, I use it less often than you do, so I can't give much detail, 
>> sorry.
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 14:42, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, I am behind I guess. I rarely used iPhoto on the Mac since I can’t see 
>>> the photos. Anyways, occasionally I do have family  photos or videos to 
>>> organize. My family members take the pics. Anyways, I opened iPhoto and I 
>>> got a message that my photos were migrated to Photos. So, is iPhoto 
>>> obsolete? Is the photos app the replacement and is it just as useful. I’m 
>>> just confused. Is it basically voiceOver accessible, besides the obvious 
>>> fact that I cannot see the photos themselves? :) I mainly use it to store 
>>> the pictures for my family and don’t mess with or edit the actual photos.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina
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Is iPhoto obsolete now?

[Christina C.]

Ok, I am behind I guess. I rarely used iPhoto on the Mac since I can’t see the 
photos. Anyways, occasionally I do have family  photos or videos to organize. 
My family members take the pics. Anyways, I opened iPhoto and I got a message 
that my photos were migrated to Photos. So, is iPhoto obsolete? Is the photos 
app the replacement and is it just as useful. I’m just confused. Is it 
basically voiceOver accessible, besides the obvious fact that I cannot see the 
photos themselves? :) I mainly use it to store the pictures for my family and 
don’t mess with or edit the actual photos.

Thanks,
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who can upgrade to El Capitan

[Christina C.]

Hello all,

Where do I get the info about which Macs can upgrade to El Capitan? Also, how 
do I find out what model of computer I have. Will the Mac App store 
automatically let me know if I can upgrade or not by prompting me to upgrade or 
does the App store automatically prompt me to upgrade my computer even if it’s 
too old?

Thanks,
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Re: annoying quicknav problem in osx 10.10 and 10.11

[Christina C.]

I also cannot type in text fields when quick nav is on. I believe in the 
voiceOver Utility under commanders/quick nav, there is a check box that says 
"Enable single-key webpage navigation when using Quick Nav.” You can try 
unchecking this if you do not like to use single key navigation. This feature 
is probably what does not allow you to type in text fields on webpages. I use 
single key navigation a ton so I leave this option on.

Good Luck,
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Re: What to include and exclude on this list?

[Christina C.]

I am in the minority here but I would prefer that posts to this list would be 
mac related only. There is a list for iDevices. I like to come to the 
MacVisionaries list when I have questions or want to learn about the Mac. I do 
believe that if the discussion includes the phone but is still related to the 
mac than it is OK in my book. For example, if someone has a question on how to 
eject their iPhone from iTunes, or how to perform an encrypted backup of their 
iPad in iTunes, or even, how do I get my pictures off of my iPhone and onto my 
Mac. I realize this could be a gray area but I would personally still prefer 
that the macVisionaries list would keep the topics tethered to the Mac and it’s 
operating system.It’s really not that different than discussing windows and 
VMWare fusion as it relates to the Mac. However, it would be inappropriate for 
a discussion to occur how to use Open Book in windows.

Now, where would the appleTV fit in? I don’t know, would that be for the iPhone 
discussion list since it is more closely related to the iOS operating system? 
The apple TV is definitely not a Mac though.

Christina

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right mouse click

[Christina C.]

Hello,

How do I perform an actual right mouse click to bring up the contextual menu 
via the keyboard? I know about VO plus shift Plus spacebar to perform an actual 
mouse click but I can’t figure out how to do a right mouse click via the 
keyboard.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: right mouse click

[Christina C.]

This is not an actual click of the mouse pointer. yes, it does bring up the 
contextual menu in some instances. I need the mouse pointer to actually click, 
but I need the “right click” Sometimes the vo command to bring up the 
contextual menu does not work. I do try the trick of routing the mouse pointer 
to the voiceOver cursor and then holding down the control key and than very 
carefully trying to click the track pad but sometimes I am not so accurate and 
move the mouse pointer by accident :(


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> VO+shift+M
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Really weird issue with ITunes accessibility

[Christina C.]

I have been having this exact same problem except in the grid view in the app 
view under updates. I can no longer vo spacebar on an app and see what the new 
things are with the update. :( I actually just emailed the list several days 
ago and I think my subject line was something like problems with iTunes.

Christina


> On Aug 29, 2015, at 3:50 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys, this is just strange.  I'll explain this problem to you all in a 
> second, but here's an mp3 for you where I actually demonstrate this.  
> Hopefully, if my write up makes no sense, the recording will help.
>  
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/weird-itunes.mp3 
> 
>  
> If you all prefer to actually be able to download this file rather than it 
> just openning and playing, then use this link instead:
>  
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/weird-itunes.mp3?dl=1 
> 
>  
> If you'd like a Sendspace link instead, just let me know and I can get it 
> uploaded there instead.
>  
> Anyway, so here's briefly the deal.  I have Apple Music, but not ITunes 
> Match.  What I am finding is, when in my music locally on my drive, and I'm 
> in album grid view, If I interact with the album grid, then vo+left, right, 
> up, or down arrow through the grid, even though Voiceover is reporting the 
> albums within the grid, they are not physically getting selected/highlighted. 
>  For this reason, if I need to open the details of an album with vo+space 
> like I could do in ITunes 12.2.1 or lower, I can't do so.  There is a work 
> around though.  If I route the mouse pointer with command+VO+F5, then I 
> VO+Shift+Space on the album of choice, it will select that album, and open up 
> its details in the scroll area.  Of course then, if I don't really need the 
> album details opened, I can just hit the escape key to collapse the details 
> slideout.  You night wonder why this is such a big deal.  It's not per sé, as 
> much as it's very confusing from a Voiceover perspective if you don't know 
> ahead of time that you have to now do it this way.  For new beginner 
> Voiceover users, I could see this  driving them practically crazy!  I'm quite 
> an advanced Voiceover user, and it took me on quite a goose chase to figure 
> out, so I can't imagine for beginners how irritating this would be.  The 
> other downside is, you now seem to have to click, open up the details, then 
> close them with the escape key in order to select the album before you can 
> hit the delete key on the album to remove it, or for that mind, before you 
> can vo+shift+M on the item to get your context menu.  It just seems for us 
> Voiceover users like way more of a hastle than it needs to be by far and away.
>  
> Anyway, if this doesn't make sense, then go grab that mp3 I linked to above, 
> and I think then you'll understand better what I'm getting at.
>  
> Have a blessed day.
>  
> Chris.
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problems with Itunes

[Christina C.]

In the last couple of weeks, I have not been able to select apps in the grid 
view of my apps that need to be updated. I can’t select them to read the info 
about what’s new in this update. If I VO space on the app, nothing happens. I 
also cannot bring up the context menu.  

Thanks for any help,
Christina

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Re: problems with Itunes

[Christina C.]

Thanks, but it didn’t work.  The crazy thing is that not even trying to 
activate the app with quick nav will work. I have all the cursor tracking set 
correctly. Something just may be wrong because I’ve also noticed that when I am 
in a dialog box the cursor keeps wrapping from the bottom back to the top and I 
have cursor wrapping set to off.

Christina
 On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:40 PM, eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Have you tried turning on Quick Nav and pressing the up/down keys together at 
 once? I sometimes need to do that when in a checkbox when nothing else works. 
 HTH.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 28, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 In the last couple of weeks, I have not been able to select apps in the grid 
 view of my apps that need to be updated. I can’t select them to read the 
 info about what’s new in this update. If I VO space on the app, nothing 
 happens. I also cannot bring up the context menu.  
 
 Thanks for any help,
 Christina
 
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Chrome

[Christina C.]

Is the Chrome browser voiceOver Accessible?

Christina

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Re: Apple Music

[Christina C.]

I am no expert but I’m not a tech idiot either and I personally find apple 
music on the Mac very difficult to use. On the iPhone it is a bit easier but 
there are less options there. Anyways, the only way I’ve consistently been able 
to play all songs by one artist is to use Siri on my iPhone and to ask Siri to 
play all songs by so and so. Also, when I’ve done this, then expanded the mini 
player and used the up next button, at the top I’ve noticed an add button close 
to the top but I have not tried it yet to say what it does or what you can add. 
I wonder if it’s to add more artists but I haven’t had time to play with it. 
Everything in appleMusic takes me soo long to set up and to make changes. It’s 
very cumbersome and clunky for me personally.

Christina
 On Jul 20, 2015, at 12:51 PM, deedra waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 I can’t help accept to agree with you about apple music compared to the others
 you can’t add artists to anything as far as i can tell it’s got to be added 
 album by album

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Re: Apple Music

[Christina C.]

Alex, I guess the only work around would be to have appleMusic on the iPhone 
play all songs from an artist than add that playlist to your library and then 
on the mac play that playlist? I’m so happy to know  that you did a podcast for 
appleMusic with iTunes on the Mac. I will definitely be listening to that one. 
I use my stream for podcasts and am subscribed to the appleVis podcast but my 
stream has been in the shop and that’s why I must have missed it. :)

Thanks so much for letting me know about the podcast. They are much appreciated.

Christina
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I haven't figured out how to play all music from an artist either. Aside from 
 that, though, iTunes Music has been quite easy to use for me, in iTunes on a 
 Mac. I did a podcast on it for AppleVis; if you'd like, I can send you the 
 link.
 

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Re: Things

[Christina C.]

One of my favorite things about the Reminder’s app is that I can simply use 
Siri. For example, if I put clothes in the dryer and don’t want to forget to 
take them out while they are still warm. I just say, Siri, remind me in 45 
minutes to fold clothes. I use it all the time even for things that are way 
ahead. I might tell Siri to remind me on such and such date to purchase a 
particular book that is released on that date. It’s just so easy. I do also use 
the Any List app as it also suits some of my other needs, mostly for grocery 
shopping or when I want to make a list with my own custom categories. For 
example, I want to make a gift idea list. I simply create categories that are 
the names of friends and family. Also, I can make custom categories with 
grocery store aisles in the order that I shop. That’s just so helpful. :)  You 
can also share your lists with other family members and they have an online 
website. I don’t have much experience with the website though. I am unaware of 
any way to set due dates or location based reminders in the Any List app. It’s 
more of a list app than a reminder/to do app. Also Any List can be synced with 
the native iOS Reminder’s app for a round about way to use Siri with Any List. 
I have not tried it though. I don’t have time these days to fiddle with it. So 
for now, Using the two suit my needs wonderfully.

Also, another great feature of the native reminders app is that if you use 
Family Share, you get a list that the whole family can use.

Christina

 On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Reminders both in I O S and in OSX and BTW, I'm not speaking of the beta 
 stuff, I mean the current stuff that is totally in the public with I O S 8.3, 
 and with Yosemite 10.10.3, is totally beautiful!  I actually just the other 
 day did something which I've known for years you could do, but never have 
 tried it.  I actually set up a reminder based on when I arrived at a certain 
 location.  One of the places it admittedly didn't set off the reminder, so I 
 need to investigate why that might be, but for the most part, it did it 
 perfectly.  I was quite impressed.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 12:59 PM
 Subject: Re: Things
 
 
 I never purchase apps unless I either want to support the developer or
 need to test for accessibility.
 
 On 6/13/2015 4:40 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
 There is a free trial, so I sure hope he didn’t plunk down the clams for it!
 
 I found the same things as Shaf, though, and will seriously check out 
 Reminders in OS 10.x and the i phone a lot more!
 
 Cait
 
 On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Did you just buy this app? Aside from contacting the developers, you could 
 also contact Apple through the receipt you received from the App Store. The 
 format of the receipt, I think, has just been updated, but there should be 
 something like a report a problem link. If you plan to uninstall the app 
 and discontinue use, you may be able to request a refund due to the app not 
 being accessible with VoiceOver.
 
 Grant
 
 On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Things is not as accessible as it could be. Great app, but not worth $60.
 For example, it's hard to schedule a task to do, project etc. I may 
 contact the developers to see if they have any tips or can fix the UI a 
 little.
 
 
 -Shaf
 
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Re: Things

[Christina C.]

oops, sorry, I apologize and forgot that this is the macvisionaries list and 
not the viPhone list. The Any List app is for iOS. Also, you can only use Siri 
with the native reminders app on an iDevice. 

Christina
 On Jun 15, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 One of my favorite things about the Reminder’s app is that I can simply use 
 Siri. For example, if I put clothes in the dryer and don’t want to forget to 
 take them out while they are still warm. I just say, Siri, remind me in 45 
 minutes to fold clothes. I use it all the time even for things that are way 
 ahead. I might tell Siri to remind me on such and such date to purchase a 
 particular book that is released on that date. It’s just so easy. I do also 
 use the Any List app as it also suits some of my other needs, mostly for 
 grocery shopping or when I want to make a list with my own custom categories. 
 For example, I want to make a gift idea list. I simply create categories that 
 are the names of friends and family. Also, I can make custom categories with 
 grocery store aisles in the order that I shop. That’s just so helpful. :)  
 You can also share your lists with other family members and they have an 
 online website. I don’t have much experience with the website though. I am 
 unaware of any way to set due dates or location based reminders in the Any 
 List app. It’s more of a list app than a reminder/to do app. Also Any List 
 can be synced with the native iOS Reminder’s app for a round about way to use 
 Siri with Any List. I have not tried it though. I don’t have time these days 
 to fiddle with it. So for now, Using the two suit my needs wonderfully.
 
 Also, another great feature of the native reminders app is that if you use 
 Family Share, you get a list that the whole family can use.
 
 Christina
 
 On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Reminders both in I O S and in OSX and BTW, I'm not speaking of the beta 
 stuff, I mean the current stuff that is totally in the public with I O S 
 8.3, and with Yosemite 10.10.3, is totally beautiful!  I actually just the 
 other day did something which I've known for years you could do, but never 
 have tried it.  I actually set up a reminder based on when I arrived at a 
 certain location.  One of the places it admittedly didn't set off the 
 reminder, so I need to investigate why that might be, but for the most part, 
 it did it perfectly.  I was quite impressed.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 12:59 PM
 Subject: Re: Things
 
 
 I never purchase apps unless I either want to support the developer or
 need to test for accessibility.
 
 On 6/13/2015 4:40 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
 There is a free trial, so I sure hope he didn’t plunk down the clams for it!
 
 I found the same things as Shaf, though, and will seriously check out 
 Reminders in OS 10.x and the i phone a lot more!
 
 Cait
 
 On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Did you just buy this app? Aside from contacting the developers, you could 
 also contact Apple through the receipt you received from the App Store. 
 The format of the receipt, I think, has just been updated, but there 
 should be something like a report a problem link. If you plan to 
 uninstall the app and discontinue use, you may be able to request a refund 
 due to the app not being accessible with VoiceOver.
 
 Grant
 
 On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Things is not as accessible as it could be. Great app, but not worth $60.
 For example, it's hard to schedule a task to do, project etc. I may 
 contact the developers to see if they have any tips or can fix the UI a 
 little.
 
 
 -Shaf
 
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selecting noncontiguous items in finder

[Christina C.]

Hello all,

I apologize but for the life of me I can’t remember how to do that. I remember 
how to turn cursor tracking on and off, but that is as far as I can get. I 
haven’t done this in over a year or more. Anyways, I can’t figure it out. I did 
a search for the term noncontiguous in the voiceOver help but no results came 
back. I’d appreciate any help. I have lots of files to select and move in a 
long list and I’d rather do it all in one move after I make my selections.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: organizer suggestions?

[Christina C.]

Caitlyn, 

What does this things app offer that you cannot use the native reminders and 
Calendar app? I’m asking because maybe if you explain exactly what your needs 
are others can share what solutions they have found. I personally love using 
the reminders app for simple things but I have not tried anything too 
complicated.

Christina

 On Jun 10, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and 
 they have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on steroids!!  
 I would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.
 
 does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost an 
 arm and a leg?
 
 thanks!
 Caitlyn
 
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Re: can't find unread mail messages

[Christina C.]

Thanks, but how do I sort by unread. I tried sorting by the status column 
header but that did not seem to work. I think I know hwo to make a smart 
mailbox and I might try that.

Christinacolumn header 
 On Mar 6, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Jonathan C Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can change the sort order from date to unread messages. This should help, 
 the other possibility is to create a smart mailbox of unread messages. In 
 fact the iPhone has one pre-created but not visible by default.
 
 
 On Mar 4, 2015, at 14:00, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, this is true, I do have and juse the classic view with preview pane. 
 That isn’t my problem though. :) My fault and all but I have tons of emails 
 but I have unread messages in my inbox. I think they are hidden within 
 threads but I can’t find them. :(
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
 On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Christina,
 
 It sounds as though you have the preview pane visible. This means that when 
 you navigate to a message, it opens automatically, so you never see an 
 unread message. This is why I always disable the preview pane.
 
 If you read your messages by doing VO-j to get to the body, you have the 
 preview pane visible.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 4 Mar 2015, at 17:49, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I’m running latest version of MAC OS using mail in classic view. I have 
 unread messages but I can’t find them. Is there a way to find them or sort 
 by unread or something. I tried sorting via the status column but that 
 didn’t work. 
 
 Any ideas or help would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks so much,
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can't find unread mail messages

[Christina C.]

Hello,

I’m running latest version of MAC OS using mail in classic view. I have unread 
messages but I can’t find them. Is there a way to find them or sort by unread 
or something. I tried sorting via the status column but that didn’t work. 

Any ideas or help would be appreciated.

Thanks so much,
Christina

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Re: Voice Over not saying the letter c

[Christina C.]

I to find this helpful, but the problem comes right back. :(

 On Mar 3, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Pablo Sandoval paulsandova...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I also had this issue, but what fixed it for me was to switch VO voices and 
 then switch back, and all was well again.
 I hope this helps someone.
 
 On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am totally having this problem. The letters keep changing but so far it 
 has been vowels.  I might try the suggestion but I don’t know if I 
 understand exactly what I would be deleting. :)
 
 Christina
 
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Re: can't find unread mail messages

[Christina C.]

Yes, this is true, I do have and juse the classic view with preview pane. That 
isn’t my problem though. :) My fault and all but I have tons of emails but I 
have unread messages in my inbox. I think they are hidden within threads but I 
can’t find them. :(

Thanks,
Christina

 On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Christina,
 
 It sounds as though you have the preview pane visible. This means that when 
 you navigate to a message, it opens automatically, so you never see an unread 
 message. This is why I always disable the preview pane.
 
 If you read your messages by doing VO-j to get to the body, you have the 
 preview pane visible.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 4 Mar 2015, at 17:49, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I’m running latest version of MAC OS using mail in classic view. I have 
 unread messages but I can’t find them. Is there a way to find them or sort 
 by unread or something. I tried sorting via the status column but that 
 didn’t work. 
 
 Any ideas or help would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks so much,
 Christina
 
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Re: Voice Over not saying the letter c

[Christina C.]

I am totally having this problem. The letters keep changing but so far it has 
been vowels.  I might try the suggestion but I don’t know if I understand 
exactly what I would be deleting. :)

Christina

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Kindle app on mac

[Christina C.]

Is it just me or is it totally inaccessible? I just need a way to get the 
kindle books onto my Mac.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: Problems with Voice Dream Reader on an iPhone 6

[Christina C.]

have you listened to a podcast on Dream Writer or read about the features that 
are specific to voiceover users? These features seem to make a lot of sense to 
me. I really want to purchase voice dream writer due to the features offered in 
it especially when trying to edit documents on an iDevice and fighting to get 
the curser in the proper spot and copying and pasting in the exact spots. I 
find this to be very cumbersome and therefore avoid editing documents on my 
iDevices. However, I do want to try it with voice Dream Writer and plan to 
purchase it.

Christina
 On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:28 AM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I really don’t see the need of yet another app specially developped for blind 
 people.
 Of course there sometimes is a need for it for example the voice dream reader 
 and the knfb reader apps.
 But as pages works just like a charm on both the mac and ios devices i don’t 
 really see no need for a special writing app for blind people.
 But thats my personal opinion and maybe there are good arguments for it.
 And if someone buys it thats fine for me.
 Though i wouldn’t.
 /A   
 18 feb 2015 kl. 21:38 skrev Faisal ali faisal.a...@icloud.com:
 
 I did as well, but I’m merely pointing out that there didn’t appear to be 
 any differences with the build. As I recall, the only thing it said in the 
 “release notes” was the advertisement for voice dream writer. Personally, 
 I’m not a fan of developers using an avenue like an app update to plug 
 another one of the apps  they are developing, or have already developed. 
 Hence, I wasn’t all that impressed by that.
 On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, it did mention the release of Voice Dream Writer in the upgrade
 description but I executed the upgrade button and received a download so I'm
 guessing the app had some changes to it.
 
 Alan Lemly
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Faisal ali
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:33 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Problems with Voice Dream Reader on an iPhone 6
 
 What update? As far as I can remember, that update was simply to advertise
 voice dream writer.
 On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The latest Voice Dream Reader update was version 3.4.0 released on Jan 21,
 2015 so it hasn't been that long ago.
 
 Alan Lemly
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:48 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Problems with Voice Dream Reader on an iPhone 6
 
 Hi!
 Wonder whats going on.
 I haven't  seen an update for voice dream reader for a long time now.
 /A
 17 feb 2015 kl. 20:22 skrev Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi, Alan,
 
 After many days of attempting without success to download voices I had
 purchased for the Voice Dream Reader to my iPhone 6, it finally worked.
 Still, it took me over a week of constant attempts for it to finally work,
 and I was always at places where the Internet connectivity was excellent.
 I
 love Voice Dream Reader, so I was willing to put up with the hassle, but
 installing something I had already purchased should have been easier.
 
 If anyone else ever has this problem, all I can do is suggest that they
 keep trying until it finally works.
 
 Kindest regards,
 
 Mike
 
 On 11,Feb,2015, at 14:05, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike, 
 
 Not that it will make you feel any better but I'm experiencing the same
 issue. I restored an iPhone 5 backup to a new 128GB iPhone 6 and I'm
 getting
 the same network error when trying to download my purchased voice dream
 voices even though I have full wifi connectivity. fYI, voice dream voices
 never come forward with a restored backup but they should certainly
 download
 from the get voices screen. 
 
 I'll keep you posted if I get other results. 
 
 Alan Lemly 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 11, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I am having a rather unusual problem with Voice Dream Reader on my
 recently-purchased iPhone 6.  The iPhone is running the latest iOS
 software
 and has 64 GB of memory.  The phone is unlocked.
 
 When I backed up everything from my iPhone 4S, all of the Voice Dream
 Reader stuff appeared on the new iPhone.  The only things that didn't
 carry
 over to the new iPhone were the additional voices I purchased.  These
 voices
 were high-quality voices for both English and German.  I was able to
 restore
 the German voice, but thus far, I have not been able to restore James, the
 high quality English which I purchased.  Whenever I try, I am told that
 the
 voice can't be transferred because of poor connectivity.  While I can
 believe this, were I only at one physical site for downloading, I have
 tried

Re: Problems with Voice Dream Reader on an iPhone 6

[Christina C.]

Voice Dream Reader is not used only by the blind community and not everyone in 
the blind community uses applevis or viPhone.  When I love an app I don’t mind 
at all when a developer mentions a new app in the update notes, especially if 
it is an app I love and find very useful. I actually quite appreciate learning 
that their newest app is now available in the app store. Even my sighted family 
members are happy when they learn their favorite app developer has a new app 
out. I do not regularly visit a developer’s website or app pages in the app 
store to see if they have made anything new. I prefer a small blurb in the 
update notes instead of being bombarded in my inbox or with constant ads within 
the app. I also do not feel like the developer was taking a cheap shot and 
putting out a fake update just to advertise voice Dream Writer. he had 
negotiated with the TTS companies so that one would not have to double purchase 
voices for both voice Dream Reader and Voice Dream Writer. He wanted customers 
to be able to carry those in app purchases over to Voice Dream Writer. In my 
opinion, I thought that was very considerate of him.  The update to voice Dream 
Reader was necessary to make that happen, it wasn’t just a cheap way to 
advertise his new app.

Christina

 On Feb 18, 2015, at 11:23 PM, Faisal ali faisal.a...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 If I wanted to know what other products a developer is offering, I will click 
 on “see more by this developer”.
 Moreover, voice dream writer is bound to get a ton of attention on sites like 
 Applevis

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Re: Fantastical

[Christina C.]

Hmmm, I’ve never tried to open it from menu extras. Did you try the application 
chooser? I’m not talking about the applications folder. That is how I used to 
get to it or I would use a shortcut keystrokes that I set up within 
fantastical’s settings and that would usually bring fantastical into focus. It 
was like it was always sort of hanging around somewhere in the background. When 
I got sighted assistance a sighted user could see it open but the only way I 
could bring it into focus was by using the application chooser or the hotkeys 
tha I set up within Fantastical’s settings.

Good Luck,
Christina
 On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:52 PM, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:
 
   I can load the app from the Applications folder. But when its in menu 
 extras, I am not sure what the usual way of opening it is. I tried it with VO 
 space to activate it and it would flash on screen then go away again. I found 
 if I held down the keys it would open. If that is normal, then good.
 
   So I tried that method with Dropbox and it eventually opened to its folder 
 in Finder.
 
   So I need to find out the right way to open these apps from menu extras.
 
 From The Believer. . .
 . . . what if it were true?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 2/18/2015 10:18 AM, Christina C. wrote:
 I haven’t used Fantastical in a very long time and purchased it a couple of 
 years ago. I used to get to Fantastical via launch pad from the doc. Also, 
 in settings there is a option to set up a hot key to open fantastical. One 
 more thing is that if you lose focus on the app, you can find it via the 
 application chooser by using vo keys plus F1 or vo plus FN plus f1 twice.
 
 HTH,
 Christina
 
 
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Re: Fantastical

[Christina C.]

I haven’t used Fantastical in a very long time and purchased it a couple of 
years ago. I used to get to Fantastical via launch pad from the doc. Also, in 
settings there is a option to set up a hot key to open fantastical. One more 
thing is that if you lose focus on the app, you can find it via the application 
chooser by using vo keys plus F1 or vo plus FN plus f1 twice.

HTH,
Christina

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Re: Keeping a journal, both on Mac and iPhone?

[Christina C.]

don’t count on me to remember to pass along a sale. :) Plus, I don't 
consistently read all my emails. Here is the link to sign up for their offers. 
Use the item chooser to find the “Join the Mariner Family” heading to navigate 
to the sign up area of the webpage faster.

https://marinersoftware.com https://marinersoftware.com/

Christina


 On Jan 21, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 If you ever see it on sale, please let me know!

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