Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

ok. it was in the vo utility. happy to have it back.

> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:49 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> It's not. It's still called Alex.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2023 4:35 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> still. looking for Alex. I did follow your instructions. would it be in siri 
>> compact voice 1 or 2? I’m sure it’s not elloquence.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To download more voices for VoiceOver:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
>>> 2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
>>> 3. Click on the system voice:
>>> 4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
>>> 5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ... 
>>> 6. The voices will now be downloaded.
>>> list end
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 can you tell me how to download Alex?
 
 I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. 
 I’m just a folkie after all.
 
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  
>  wrote:
> 
> Alex must be downloaded.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
> didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I 
> have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the 
> speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and 
>> my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way 
>> to have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a 
>> microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>> 
>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if 
>> not, where is he?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
>>> USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
>>> above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the 
>>> way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get 
>>> yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five 
>>> dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can that 
>>> make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when there isn't 
>>> one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card slot. Another 
>>> thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a 
>>> bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
 different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have 
 one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll 
 probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
 
 there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what 
 they're for.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
>>> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

It's not. It's still called Alex.


On 12/2/2023 4:35 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
still. looking for Alex. I did follow your instructions. would it be 
in siri compact voice 1 or 2? I’m sure it’s not elloquence.


thanks.


On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

To download more voices for VoiceOver:


1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
3. Click on the system voice:
4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage 
Voices...

5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ...
6. The voices will now be downloaded.
list end


On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 
channels. I’m just a folkie after all.


On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y 
adapter.



You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last 
one didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 
doesn't. I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing 
console. I use the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to 
use a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura 
 wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has 
two USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the 
back just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini 
with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI 
port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic 
components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, 
though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took 
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red 
LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

still. looking for Alex. I did follow your instructions. would it be in siri 
compact voice 1 or 2? I’m sure it’s not elloquence.

thanks.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> To download more voices for VoiceOver:
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
> 2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
> 3. Click on the system voice:
> 4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
> 5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ... 
> 6. The voices will now be downloaded.
> list end
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> can you tell me how to download Alex?
>> 
>> I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. I’m 
>> just a folkie after all.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alex must be downloaded.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
>>> didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have 
>>> mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker 
>>> jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
 Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
 headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to 
 have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone 
 either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
 
 the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
 where is he?
 
 thanks.
 
> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>  wrote:
> 
> Lorie,
> 
> 
> 
> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if 
> you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit 
> Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a 
> couple electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think 
> there's a monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, 
> though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is 
> the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power 
> indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
>> different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have 
>> one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll 
>> probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
>> 
>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
>> for.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
> 
> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

To download more voices for VoiceOver:


1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
3. Click on the system voice:
4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ...
6. The voices will now be downloaded.
list end


On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 
channels. I’m just a folkie after all.



On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. 
I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use 
the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use 
a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back 
just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with 
a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. 
Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components 
inside a can that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged 
into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there 
is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the 
front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Everything's USB now, whether it's A, C, or Thunderbolt. All monitors 
are HDMI, no more VGA. Yes, you can certainly get Y adapters.



On 12/1/2023 8:12 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
could I get a Y adapter that would work? of course this worked on my 
old one which was a late 2014. I know I didn’t have a mic on my old 
Mac but I did have an input jack and I don’t think I do on this one.



On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. 
I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use 
the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use 
a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back 
just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with 
a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. 
Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components 
inside a can that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged 
into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there 
is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the 
front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. I’m 
just a folkie after all.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Alex must be downloaded.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one didn't, 
> either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have mine 
> connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker jack in 
> the back strictly for VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have 
>> both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I 
>> suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>> 
>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>> where is he?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're 
>>> not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
>>> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
>>> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
>>> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
>>> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
>>> The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front 
>>> edge. The new ones don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
 different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? 
 also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have 
 to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
 
 there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
 for.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
>>> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

could I get a Y adapter that would work? of course this worked on my old one 
which was a late 2014. I know I didn’t have a mic on my old Mac but I did have 
an input jack and I don’t think I do on this one.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Alex must be downloaded.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one didn't, 
> either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have mine 
> connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker jack in 
> the back strictly for VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have 
>> both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I 
>> suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>> 
>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>> where is he?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're 
>>> not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
>>> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
>>> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
>>> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
>>> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
>>> The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front 
>>> edge. The new ones don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
 different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? 
 also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have 
 to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
 
 there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
 for.
 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I 
have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the 
speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and 
my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a 
way to have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a 
microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if 
not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By 
the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, 
get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about 
five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can 
that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when 
there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card 
slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got 
in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The 
new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

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Yes.


On 11/30/2023 8:47 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the 
thunderbold ports the small ones?


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:



Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is 
compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three 
more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the 
other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various things 
connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag with lots of 
cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes training.


3

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By 
the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, 
get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about 
five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can 
that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when 
there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card 
slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got 
in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The 
new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running Ventura. 
on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my headphones. 
that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have both plugged 
in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll 
have to use a usb mic.

the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
where is he?

thanks.

> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Lorie,
> 
> 
> 
> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the heat 
> dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're not 
> going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The 
> Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. 
> The new ones don't.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
>> from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there 
>> are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb 
>> hub. what kind do I need?
>> 
>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Maurice A. Mines]

I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the thunderbold ports 
the small ones?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:


Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is compact and 
has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three more just for 
charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the other end. I have two of 
these--one on my desk for various things connected to my own Mini, and one in 
my computing go-bag with lots of cables for when I go out on repair jobs and 
sometimes training.

3

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Lorie,
> 
> 
> 
> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the heat 
> dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're not 
> going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The 
> Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. 
> The new ones don't.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
>> from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there 
>> are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb 
>> hub. what kind do I need?
>> 
>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: new Mac Mini

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I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the thunderbold ports the small ones?Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

  

  
  
Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub
  is compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but
  three more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer
  at the other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various
  things connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag
  with lots of cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes
  training.
3 

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura
  wrote:


  
  Lorie,
  
  
  If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has
two USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the
back just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini
with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI
port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic
components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a
monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct,
though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red
LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
  
  
  On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud
wrote:
  
  
I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I had a dongle for my old Mac mini but I'm pretty sure it's not going to fit in this one. so what exactly do I need to order for this one?Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

  

  
  
Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub
  is compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but
  three more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer
  at the other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various
  things connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag
  with lots of cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes
  training.
3 

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura
  wrote:


  
  Lorie,
  
  
  If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has
two USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the
back just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini
with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI
port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic
components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a
monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct,
though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red
LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
  
  
  On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud
wrote:
  
  
I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

  
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is 
compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three 
more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the other 
end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various things connected to 
my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag with lots of cables for when 
I go out on repair jobs and sometimes training.


3

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Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the 
way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get 
yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five 
dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can that 
make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when there 
isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card slot. 
Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 
had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones 
don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if 
you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a 
Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's 
just a couple electronic components inside a can that make your Mini 
think there's a monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are 
correct, though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took 
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED 
power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie


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Re: New Mac.

[Herbie Allen]

Last I heard there is not. If trying to run Windows I believe there is an 
immolator but don’t know if VO friendly.
Herbie

> On Feb 8, 2021, at 09:47, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> One thing I am wondering is if there’s a VMware fusion for the m1 chip?
> If nt then I have to go the intel way.
> /A
> 
>> 8 feb. 2021 kl. 00:16 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> On 6/2/21 10:07 am, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
>>> respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
>> The specifications for both products are easy enough to find with your 
>> preferred Web search engine (at Apple's Web site or elsewhere).
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Re: New Mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
One thing I am wondering is if there’s a VMware fusion for the m1 chip?
If nt then I have to go the intel way.
/A

> 8 feb. 2021 kl. 00:16 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> :
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> 
> On 6/2/21 10:07 am, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
>> respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
> The specifications for both products are easy enough to find with your 
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RE: New Mac.

[skipper8218]

Well,
Let's hope that the M1 does better.

Rebecca Skipper
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On 7/2/21 6:24 pm, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> The problem with specifications is that it is hard to understand what will 
> fit your needs long-term.

My personal solution to this problem is to buy a better device than I think I 
need, and then to make it last.

My late 2013-model MacBook Pro is just about reaching the limit now. 
It's one of the oldest systems that could be upgraded to Big Sur. I doubt that 
it will be compatible with the next major release. It's also giving very slow 
performance nowadays, as the latest software is more resource-intensive than 
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Re: New Mac.

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 7/2/21 6:24 pm, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

The problem with specifications is that it is hard to understand what will fit 
your needs long-term.


My personal solution to this problem is to buy a better device than I 
think I need, and then to make it last.


My late 2013-model MacBook Pro is just about reaching the limit now. 
It's one of the oldest systems that could be upgraded to Big Sur. I 
doubt that it will be compatible with the next major release. It's also 
giving very slow performance nowadays, as the latest software is more 
resource-intensive than the old versions were.


Of course, different people have different buying strategies.


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RE: New Mac.

[skipper8218]

The problem with specifications is that it is hard to understand what will fit 
your needs long-term.
I think any of the M1 macs will work okay, but if you are into video production 
or other tasks that require more computing needs, then you would know what 
specs you need.

Rebecca Skipper
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On 6/2/21 10:07 am, Anders Holmberg wrote:
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Re: New Mac.

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 6/2/21 10:07 am, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
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Re: New Mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, that sounds like something to consider.
Thanks.
/A

> 6 feb. 2021 kl. 17:32 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
> Logitech makes several good USB HDWebCams that worked well with a Mac mini. 
> Some are available with a microphone if that's what you want.
> I got mine from Amazon. It was under $100.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Feb 6, 2021, at 09:59, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you want something with a camera, you will want a mac book, Vidio imo is 
> not that important to me as I can't see it any how.  
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: New Mac.
> 
> Hi!
> I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
> So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
> These are the ones I  want.
> The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
> But that’s just me.
> aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I 
> am a bit wondering.
> If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
> Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd for 
> less money if you have a pc.
> Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
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> And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
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> All the best from a cold Sweden.
> /A
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Re: New Mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, its for the sighted on the other side I need a camera.
But I guess there are cameras out there.
/A

> 6 feb. 2021 kl. 16:59 skrev matthew dyer :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you want something with a camera, you will want a mac book, Vidio imo is 
> not that important to me as I can't see it any how.  
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 10:07 AM
> To: 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: New Mac.
> 
> Hi!
> I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
> So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
> These are the ones I  want.
> The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
> But that’s just me.
> aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I 
> am a bit wondering.
> If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
> Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd for 
> less money if you have a pc.
> Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
> respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
> And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
> together with zoom.
> All the best from a cold Sweden.
> /A
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Re: New Mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, it looks like I will go for the mini.
I need a screen then but that’s a later decision.
/A

> 6 feb. 2021 kl. 16:44 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
> The M1 MacBook Air has only 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, and a 3.5 mm headphone 
> jack.  No USB-A ports on the MacBook Air.
> 
> The M1 Mac mini has 2 USB-A ports, in addition to 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, 
> a HDMI port, and a 3.5 mm headphone jack.  The mini also includes an Ethernet 
> port.
> 
> Apple does still offer the Mac mini with both the Intel i5 and i7 processors. 
>  Those machines have 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, in addition to the 2 USB-A 
> ports, and the HDMI and 3.5 mm headphone jack, as well as an Ethernet port.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Feb 6, 2021, at 09:15, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> They both have 2 uSB-a ports, 2 uSB-c thunderbolt ports, HDMI and headphone 
> jack on the Mac mini.  Also for the record, you can by any external drive, 
> and format it for the Mac.  I have a 4TB USB-C drive that I got for only 120 
> bucks on amazon, I use iCloud for everything, so it really wasn’t necessary, 
> but I do keep important stuff backed up
> 
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> macCafe is the place to be! We meet every 1st&3rd Monday of the month at 
> 10:30AM central to discuss basics, hints and tricks on learning our MacOS 
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>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
>> So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
>> These are the ones I  want.
>> The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
>> But that’s just me.
>> aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I 
>> am a bit wondering.
>> If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
>> Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd 
>> for less money if you have a pc.
>> Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
>> respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
>> And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
>> together with zoom.
>> All the best from a cold Sweden.
>> /A
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Re: New Mac.

[Brad Snyder]

The higher-end 13-inch MacBook Pro has 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, but right now 
is only available with intel processors. 

- Brad -


On Feb 6, 2021, at 10:32, Merv Keck  wrote:

I just bought the MacBook Pro M1. It also has 2 USB C ports and one headphone 
jack. I was hoping for more ports. But it sure is fast. If I need more I can 
always get a hub or dock it. I have no need of a screen myself. I’m 
transitioning from Jaws to Voiceover. More of a learning curve than I 
anticipated. But something to do on the winter of my discontent. Beats 
shoveling snow anyway.
Merv
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 10:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New Mac.
 
The M1 MacBook Air has only 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, and a 3.5 mm headphone 
jack.  No USB-A ports on the MacBook Air.
 
The M1 Mac mini has 2 USB-A ports, in addition to 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, a 
HDMI port, and a 3.5 mm headphone jack.  The mini also includes an Ethernet 
port.
 
Apple does still offer the Mac mini with both the Intel i5 and i7 processors.  
Those machines have 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, in addition to the 2 USB-A 
ports, and the HDMI and 3.5 mm headphone jack, as well as an Ethernet port.
 

- Brad -

 
On Feb 6, 2021, at 09:15, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
They both have 2 uSB-a ports, 2 uSB-c thunderbolt ports, HDMI and headphone 
jack on the Mac mini.  Also for the record, you can by any external drive, and 
format it for the Mac.  I have a 4TB USB-C drive that I got for only 120 bucks 
on amazon, I use iCloud for everything, so it really wasn’t necessary, but I do 
keep important stuff backed up
 
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> On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>  
> Hi!
> I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
> So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
> These are the ones I  want.
> The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
> But that’s just me.
> aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I 
> am a bit wondering.
> If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
> Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd for 
> less money if you have a pc.
> Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
> respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
> And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
> together with zoom.
> All the best from a cold Sweden.
> /A
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RE: New Mac.

[Merv Keck]

I just bought the MacBook Pro M1. It also has 2 USB C ports and one headphone 
jack. I was hoping for more ports. But it sure is fast. If I need more I can 
always get a hub or dock it. I have no need of a screen myself. I’m 
transitioning from Jaws to Voiceover. More of a learning curve than I 
anticipated. But something to do on the winter of my discontent. Beats 
shoveling snow anyway.

Merv

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 10:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac.

 

The M1 MacBook Air has only 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, and a 3.5 mm headphone 
jack.  No USB-A ports on the MacBook Air.

 

The M1 Mac mini has 2 USB-A ports, in addition to 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, a 
HDMI port, and a 3.5 mm headphone jack.  The mini also includes an Ethernet 
port.

 

Apple does still offer the Mac mini with both the Intel i5 and i7 processors.  
Those machines have 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, in addition to the 2 USB-A 
ports, and the HDMI and 3.5 mm headphone jack, as well as an Ethernet port.

 


- Brad -

 

On Feb 6, 2021, at 09:15, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

They both have 2 uSB-a ports, 2 uSB-c thunderbolt ports, HDMI and headphone 
jack on the Mac mini.  Also for the record, you can by any external drive, and 
format it for the Mac.  I have a 4TB USB-C drive that I got for only 120 bucks 
on amazon, I use iCloud for everything, so it really wasn’t necessary, but I do 
keep important stuff backed up

 

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info, send an email to
sturi...@icloud.com <mailto:sturi...@icloud.com> 
Put MacCafe in the Subjectline and you will receive info on how to join this 
great resource of information! 





On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

 

Hi!
I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
These are the ones I  want.
The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
But that’s just me.
aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I am 
a bit wondering.
If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd for 
less money if you have a pc.
Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
together with zoom.
All the best from a cold Sweden.
/A

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Re: New Mac.

[Brad Snyder]

Logitech makes several good USB HDWebCams that worked well with a Mac mini. 
Some are available with a microphone if that's what you want.
I got mine from Amazon. It was under $100.

- Brad -

On Feb 6, 2021, at 09:59, matthew dyer  wrote:

Hi,

If you want something with a camera, you will want a mac book, Vidio imo is not 
that important to me as I can't see it any how.  

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 10:07 AM
To: 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 

Subject: New Mac.

Hi!
I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
These are the ones I  want.
The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
But that’s just me.
aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I am 
a bit wondering.
If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd for 
less money if you have a pc.
Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
together with zoom.
All the best from a cold Sweden.
/A

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RE: New Mac.

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Hi,

If you want something with a camera, you will want a mac book, Vidio imo is not 
that important to me as I can't see it any how.  

Matthew



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 10:07 AM
To: 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 

Subject: New Mac.

Hi!
I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
These are the ones I  want.
The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
But that’s just me.
aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I am 
a bit wondering.
If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd for 
less money if you have a pc.
Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
together with zoom.
All the best from a cold Sweden.
/A

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Re: New Mac.

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The M1 MacBook Air has only 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, and a 3.5 mm headphone 
jack.  No USB-A ports on the MacBook Air.

The M1 Mac mini has 2 USB-A ports, in addition to 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, a 
HDMI port, and a 3.5 mm headphone jack.  The mini also includes an Ethernet 
port.

Apple does still offer the Mac mini with both the Intel i5 and i7 processors.  
Those machines have 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, in addition to the 2 USB-A 
ports, and the HDMI and 3.5 mm headphone jack, as well as an Ethernet port.


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On Feb 6, 2021, at 09:15, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

They both have 2 uSB-a ports, 2 uSB-c thunderbolt ports, HDMI and headphone 
jack on the Mac mini.  Also for the record, you can by any external drive, and 
format it for the Mac.  I have a 4TB USB-C drive that I got for only 120 bucks 
on amazon, I use iCloud for everything, so it really wasn’t necessary, but I do 
keep important stuff backed up

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> On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
> So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
> These are the ones I  want.
> The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
> But that’s just me.
> aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I 
> am a bit wondering.
> If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
> Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd for 
> less money if you have a pc.
> Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
> respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
> And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
> together with zoom.
> All the best from a cold Sweden.
> /A
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They both have 2 uSB-a ports, 2 uSB-c thunderbolt ports, HDMI and headphone 
jack on the Mac mini.  Also for the record, you can by any external drive, and 
format it for the Mac.  I have a 4TB USB-C drive that I got for only 120 bucks 
on amazon, I use iCloud for everything, so it really wasn’t necessary, but I do 
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> 
> Hi!
> I am thinking of upgrading to the one of the M1 Macs.
> So i am comparing the Mac mini with the MacBook Air.
> These are the ones I  want.
> The Mac Pro has a Touch Bar so that’s not something I never going to use.
> But that’s just me.
> aTHey’re a bit to expensive also which is something I have to consider but I 
> am a bit wondering.
> If I get me a Mac  I would like to have as much storage as possible.
> Its going to be quite expensive which is strange as you can by a 2 tb ssd for 
> less money if you have a pc.
> Anyway I wonder how many USB ports and thunderbolt ports there are on the 
> respective Mac mini or MacBook Air.
> And if I get a Mac mini I would like to have a good camera so I can use 
> together with zoom.
> All the best from a cold Sweden.
> /A
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Anders Holmberg]

I!
If i  had a Studio it would dpend on what i was doing.
I have bought the Logic Pro which is quite pricy so that would work if i have 
ahobby studio.
But beeing profesional i guess one has to have protools.
/A

> 13 dec. 2019 kl. 23:45 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> But really Chuck,
> Even for a music studio
> Is the mac pro (New) really needed?
>  
> Couldn’t you do the same thing with a Mac Mini setup as a server and then an 
> iMac pro to work on your recordings from
>  
> Even if you’ve been saving for a while you could get more from multiple 
> devices surely?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
> MacRumors
>  
> Hi guys,
> Not pocket change! LOL
>  
> Its a big chunk!
> & has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
> I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac pro 2 
> years ago.
> For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :)
> Like I said the economy here in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will 
> continue for the  next 5 years!
>  
> and it will pay for its self!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
>  
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok, well mr rich Canadian,
>  
> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!
>  
> Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,
>  
> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,
>  
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
> MacRumors
>  
> Pocket change :).
>  
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
> computer.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices. 
>  
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>  
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 
> without software. 
> And thats the tower not the rack model. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging 
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I thought some might like to read this 
>  
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
>  
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=e6c6bdd6f8=821bb7bf59>
> Brought to you by:  
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> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its 
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> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=673effa640=821bb7bf59>,
>  with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive 
> selection of upgrade options 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=d439638e5a=821bb7bf59>
>  and optional $400 wheels 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=7d7fd1ef23=821bb7bf59>,
>  a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=3bc664613e=821bb7bf59>.
> 
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=382d843ab9=821bb7bf59>

Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The screen could be a tv for your sighted friends i guess.
/A

> 13 dec. 2019 kl. 23:41 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> Hi Tim,
>  
> I just had a quick look at the  XDR screen pricing,
>  
> Standard glass is $9,600
> Nano texture glass, $10,800
>  
> The pro stand: $1,900
> VISA Mount: $380
>  
> I guess that at a stretch I might be able to purchase a set of wheels and a 
> VISA mount,
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
> MacRumors
>  
> Pocket change :).
>  
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
> computer.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices. 
>  
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>  
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 
> without software. 
> And thats the tower not the rack model. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging 
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I thought some might like to read this 
>  
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
>  
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=e6c6bdd6f8=821bb7bf59>
> Brought to you by:  
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> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=4beafb8bc5=821bb7bf59>
> New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to Order 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=5f4ee5f7a3=821bb7bf59>
> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its 
> all-new Mac Pro 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=673effa640=821bb7bf59>,
>  with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive 
> selection of upgrade options 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=d439638e5a=821bb7bf59>
>  and optional $400 wheels 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=7d7fd1ef23=821bb7bf59>,
>  a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=3bc664613e=821bb7bf59>.
> 
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=382d843ab9=821bb7bf59>
>  is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.
> 
> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
> available to order 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=eb3da9097e=821bb7bf59>
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> deliveries expected to begin early next week 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=4623025581=821bb7bf59>.
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You have to go to Canada then for a -15 °C tour or worse.
But i guess you make it.
/A

> 13 dec. 2019 kl. 23:19 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> Ok, well mr rich Canadian,
>  
> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!
>  
> Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,
>  
> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,
>  
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
> MacRumors
>  
> Pocket change :).
>  
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
> computer.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.  
>  
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>  
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 
> without software. 
> And thats the tower not the rack model. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging 
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I thought some might like to read this 
>  
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
>  
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=e6c6bdd6f8=821bb7bf59>
> Brought to you by:  
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> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=5f4ee5f7a3=821bb7bf59>
> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its 
> all-new Mac Pro 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=673effa640=821bb7bf59>,
>  with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive 
> selection of upgrade options 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=d439638e5a=821bb7bf59>
>  and optional $400 wheels 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=7d7fd1ef23=821bb7bf59>,
>  a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=3bc664613e=821bb7bf59>.
> 
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=382d843ab9=821bb7bf59>
>  is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.
> 
> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
> available to order 
> <https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=eb3da9097e=821bb7bf59>
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I would like to have one of the mac pro?
So i have to save up for one or win a lot of money then.
/A

> 12 dec. 2019 kl. 23:39 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
> to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
> 
>> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
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>>  
>> I thought some might like to read this 
>>  
>> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
>>  
>> 
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>> New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to Order 
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>> ,
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>> selection of upgrade options 
>> 
>>  and optional $400 wheels 
>> ,
>>  a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000 
>> .
>> 
>> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer 
>> 
>>  is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.
>> 
>> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
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>> 
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi lenron,
When you factor several "Pro tools HDX" cards and a video card you'll start to 
see that the Mac Pro is a natural fit.
I already have that mac mini which requires you to buy a external "thunderbolt" 
card cage to house all the Avid Cards & is a bit slower!
Besides with the way the USA economy is doing it will pay for its self down 
stream! :)
Also since the  Mac pro is made in the US it will just ad fuel to the Jobs 
market!

Talk soon
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’


On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:58 PM, lenron brown wrote:

> For music recording no way this thing is needed, yes yes I know some
> can justify it some how but lets be real. You can get some real work
> done with the setup you just mentioned. Even a mac book pro would
> work.
> 
> On 12/13/19, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> But really Chuck,
>> Even for a music studio
>> Is the mac pro (New) really needed?
>> 
>> Couldn’t you do the same thing with a Mac Mini setup as a server and then an
>> iMac pro to work on your recordings from
>> 
>> Even if you’ve been saving for a while you could get more from multiple
>> devices surely?
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:41 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor —
>> MacRumors
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> Not pocket change! LOL
>> 
>> Its a big chunk!
>> & has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
>> I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac pro 2
>> years ago.
>> For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :)
>> Like I said the economy here in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will
>> continue for the  next 5 years!
>> 
>> and it will pay for its self!
>> Talk soon
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ok, well mr rich Canadian,
>> 
>> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!
>> 
>> Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,
>> 
>> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,
>> 
>> 
>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor —
>> MacRumors
>> 
>> Pocket change :).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings
>> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a
>> computer.
>> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty
>> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.
>> 
>> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>> 
>> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
>> without software.
>> And thats the tower not the rack model.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings
>> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging
>> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty
>> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> I thought some might like to read this
>> 
>> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
>> [logo.png]<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=e6c6bdd6f8=821bb7bf59>
>> Brought to you by: [sponsor_logo.png]
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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah,
 Mind you I could do damage to different things with the amount of cash needed 
to purchase these pros here in NZ.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 12:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

For music recording no way this thing is needed, yes yes I know some can 
justify it some how but lets be real. You can get some real work done with the 
setup you just mentioned. Even a mac book pro would work.

On 12/13/19, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> But really Chuck,
> Even for a music studio
> Is the mac pro (New) really needed?
>
> Couldn’t you do the same thing with a Mac Mini setup as a server and 
> then an iMac pro to work on your recordings from
>
> Even if you’ve been saving for a while you could get more from 
> multiple devices surely?
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor 
> — MacRumors
>
> Hi guys,
> Not pocket change! LOL
>
> Its a big chunk!
> & has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
> I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac 
> pro 2 years ago.
> For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :) Like I said the economy here 
> in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will continue for the  next 5 
> years!
>
> and it will pay for its self!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
>
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>
>
> Ok, well mr rich Canadian,
>
> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!
>
> Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,
>
> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,
>
>
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.co
> m>>
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
> To: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor 
> — MacRumors
>
> Pocket change :).
>
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings 
> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just 
> for a computer.
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.
>
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 without software.
> And thats the tower not the rack model.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings
> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I thought some might like to read this
>
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
> [logo.png]<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=e6c6bdd6f8=821bb7bf59>
> Brought to you by: [sponsor_logo.png]
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> Order<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=5f4ee5f7a3=821bb7bf59>
> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its
> all-new Mac
> Pro<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=673effa640=821bb7bf59>,
> with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive
> selection of upgrade
> options<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=d439638e5a=821bb7bf59>
> and optional $400
> wheels<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=7d7fd1ef23=821bb7bf59>,
> a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over
> $52,000<https://macrumors.

Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[lenron brown]

For music recording no way this thing is needed, yes yes I know some
can justify it some how but lets be real. You can get some real work
done with the setup you just mentioned. Even a mac book pro would
work.

On 12/13/19, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> But really Chuck,
> Even for a music studio
> Is the mac pro (New) really needed?
>
> Couldn’t you do the same thing with a Mac Mini setup as a server and then an
> iMac pro to work on your recordings from
>
> Even if you’ve been saving for a while you could get more from multiple
> devices surely?
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor —
> MacRumors
>
> Hi guys,
> Not pocket change! LOL
>
> Its a big chunk!
> & has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
> I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac pro 2
> years ago.
> For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :)
> Like I said the economy here in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will
> continue for the  next 5 years!
>
> and it will pay for its self!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
>
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>
>
> Ok, well mr rich Canadian,
>
> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!
>
> Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,
>
> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,
>
>
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor —
> MacRumors
>
> Pocket change :).
>
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings
> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a
> computer.
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.
>
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
> without software.
> And thats the tower not the rack model.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings
> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I thought some might like to read this
>
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
> [logo.png]<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=e6c6bdd6f8=821bb7bf59>
> Brought to you by: [sponsor_logo.png]
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> Order<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=5f4ee5f7a3=821bb7bf59>
> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its
> all-new Mac
> Pro<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=673effa640=821bb7bf59>,
> with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive
> selection of upgrade
> options<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=d439638e5a=821bb7bf59>
> and optional $400
> wheels<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=7d7fd1ef23=821bb7bf59>,
> a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over
> $52,000<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=3bc664613e=821bb7bf59>.
>
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the
> computer<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=382d843ab9=821bb7bf59>
> is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.
>
> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now
> avai

RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

But really Chuck,
Even for a music studio
Is the mac pro (New) really needed?

Couldn’t you do the same thing with a Mac Mini setup as a server and then an 
iMac pro to work on your recordings from

Even if you’ve been saving for a while you could get more from multiple devices 
surely?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

Hi guys,
Not pocket change! LOL

Its a big chunk!
& has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac pro 2 years 
ago.
For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :)
Like I said the economy here in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will 
continue for the  next 5 years!

and it will pay for its self!
Talk soon
Chuck

On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Ok, well mr rich Canadian,

How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!

Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,

I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

Pocket change :).



Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone



On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
without software.
And thats the tower not the rack model.
Sent from my iPhone



On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.



On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I thought some might like to read this

Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
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Mac 
Pro<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=673effa640=821bb7bf59>,
 with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive 
selection of upgrade 
options<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=d439638e5a=821bb7bf59>
 and optional $400 
wheels<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=7d7fd1ef23=821bb7bf59>,
 a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over 
$52,000<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=3bc664613e=821bb7bf59>.

Apple says a rack-mounted version of the 
computer<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=382d843ab9=821bb7bf59>
 is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.

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order<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=eb3da9097e=821bb7bf59>
 for $4,999. Both products are in the process of shipping to customers, with 
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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I just had a quick look at the  XDR screen pricing,

Standard glass is $9,600
Nano texture glass, $10,800

The pro stand: $1,900
VISA Mount: $380

I guess that at a stretch I might be able to purchase a set of wheels and a 
VISA mount,




From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

Pocket change :).



Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
without software.
And thats the tower not the rack model.
Sent from my iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.


On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I thought some might like to read this

Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
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selection of upgrade 
options<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=d439638e5a=821bb7bf59>
 and optional $400 
wheels<https://macrumors.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0=7d7fd1ef23=821bb7bf59>,
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi guys,
Not pocket change! LOL

Its a big chunk!
& has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac pro 2 years 
ago.
For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :)
Like I said the economy here in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will 
continue for the  next 5 years!

and it will pay for its self!
Talk soon
Chuck

On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

> Ok, well mr rich Canadian,
>  
> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!
>  
> Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,
>  
> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,
>  
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
> MacRumors
>  
> Pocket change :).
>  
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>  
> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
> computer.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices. 
>  
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>  
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 
> without software. 
> And thats the tower not the rack model. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging 
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I thought some might like to read this 
>  
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
> 
> Brought to you by: 
> 
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> maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000.
> 
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer is also "coming soon," with 
> pricing starting at $6,499.
> 
> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ok, well mr rich Canadian,

How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!

Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,

I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

Pocket change :).



Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
without software.
And thats the tower not the rack model.
Sent from my iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.


On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I thought some might like to read this

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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Actually for you folks in Auckland,
It’s a shame you couldn’t live in the computer case,
At east it’s in an affordable housing price,

So long as you didn’t need the screen for a window as I didn’t price that.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 13 December 2019 4:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
without software.
And thats the tower not the rack model.
Sent from my iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.


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mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Those are NZ prices yes,

 Oh and without screen or screens mounting bracket,

I'll have a look at those prices and see how much it causes me to laugh.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Friday, 13 December 2019 4:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

booming where my pockets don't notice this so called boom. Anyways Simon the 
prices you mentioned sound insane. Almost 100K for this mac.

On 12/12/19, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.
>
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 without software.
> And thats the tower not the rack model.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be 
> hanging out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I thought some might like to read this
>
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Pocket change :).



Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 

 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices. 

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 
without software. 
And thats the tower not the rack model. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging 
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
> 
>> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I thought some might like to read this 
>>  
>> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
>>  
>> 
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>> 
>> New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to Order 
>> 
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>> ,
>>  with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive 
>> selection of upgrade options 
>> 
>>  and optional $400 wheels 
>> ,
>>  a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000 
>> .
>> 
>> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer 
>> 
>>  is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.
>> 
>> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
>> available to order 
>> 
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>> deliveries expected to begin early next week 
>> .
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[Petrus Tuerlings]

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 

 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices. 

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 
without software. 
And thats the tower not the rack model. 

Sent from my iPhone

>> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging 
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
> 
>> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I thought some might like to read this 
>>  
>> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
>> 
>> Brought to you by: 
>> 
>> New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to Order
>> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its 
>> all-new Mac Pro, with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With 
>> an impressive selection of upgrade options and optional $400 wheels, a fully 
>> maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000.
>> 
>> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer is also "coming soon," 
>> with pricing starting at $6,499.
>> 
>> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
>> available to order for $4,999. Both products are in the process of shipping 
>> to customers, with deliveries expected to begin early next week.
>>  
>> Read Full Article
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>>  
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>> OWC Memory Upgrade Kits
>> OWC SSD Upgrades for Mac
>> Storage and docking:
>> OWC Envoy Pro EX
>> Akitio ThunderRAID Station
>> OWC miniStack
>> Home and office:
>> Apple HomePods with SIRI
>> Beats Studio 2 Wireless Headphones
>> Targus USB Wall Outlets
>> USB Hubs
>> PLUS a full lineup of fully inspected and certified refurbished Macs.
>> 
>> Finish your shopping from the comfort of your chair and get into celebration 
>> mode early. Enjoy same-day shipping on some items. Limited supply, so get 
>> clickin’!
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>> 
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>> lock adapter, an AUX power cable kit, and more.
>> 
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>> adapter, and Logitech's new 4K Pro Magnetic Webcam for $199.95.
>> 
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[lenron brown]

booming where my pockets don't notice this so called boom. Anyways
Simon the prices you mentioned sound insane. Almost 100K for this mac.

On 12/12/19, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.
>
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
> without software.
> And thats the tower not the rack model.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I thought some might like to read this
>
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
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>
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the
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>
> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
without software.
And thats the tower not the rack model.

Sent from my iPhone

On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

 Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.

On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Petrus,
Heres my "rationalization" for including the Mac Pro in to my recording studio.
You can install the Avid Pro Tools "HDX" cards directly inside the mac pro.
The economy is booming here in the USA!
Unemployment is at its lowest in 50 years!
More People have bred in there pocket to use my services!
It will pay for its self!
consumer confidence is at a 20 year high!
The stock market is off the chart!
And the number 1 reason for me is that the new Mac  Pro is proudly "made in the 
USA"!
Talk soon
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’


On Dec 12, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

> Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
> to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
> 
>> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I thought some might like to read this 
>>  
>> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
>> 
>> Brought to you by: 
>> 
>> New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to Order
>> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its 
>> all-new Mac Pro, with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With 
>> an impressive selection of upgrade options and optional $400 wheels, a fully 
>> maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000.
>> 
>> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer is also "coming soon," 
>> with pricing starting at $6,499.
>> 
>> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
>> available to order for $4,999. Both products are in the process of shipping 
>> to customers, with deliveries expected to begin early next week.
>>  
>> Read Full Article
>> Support Our Sponsor
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>> Ready or not, the holidays are here. Check off your gift list with great 
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>> stuffers, to white elephant gifts, and all the way up to that big gift from 
>> jolly ol’ Santa.
>> 
>> Here’s what’s sparkling in our Holiday Specials.
>>  
>> Mac upgrades:
>> OWC Memory Upgrade Kits
>> OWC SSD Upgrades for Mac
>> Storage and docking:
>> OWC Envoy Pro EX
>> Akitio ThunderRAID Station
>> OWC miniStack
>> Home and office:
>> Apple HomePods with SIRI
>> Beats Studio 2 Wireless Headphones
>> Targus USB Wall Outlets
>> USB Hubs
>> PLUS a full lineup of fully inspected and certified refurbished Macs.
>> 
>> Finish your shopping from the comfort of your chair and get into celebration 
>> mode early. Enjoy same-day shipping on some items. Limited supply, so get 
>> clickin’!
>> 
>> Happy Holidays, fellow Mac Lovers! All the best in 2020.
>> 
>> -The OWC Family
>> 
>> Visit Sponsor
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>> Dec 12, 2019
>> New Mac Pro Accessories Added to Apple Store Along With Logitech 4K Webcam 
>> for Pro Display XDR
>> Apple has added a selection of accessories for the new Mac Pro and Pro 
>> Display XDR to its online store, including graphics and storage modules, a 
>> lock adapter, an AUX power cable kit, and more.
>> 
>> For the Pro Display XDR, there is an optional $999 stand, a VESA mount 
>> adapter, and Logitech's new 4K Pro Magnetic Webcam for $199.95.
>> 
>> Meanwhile, on our YouTube channel this week, we've shared a video 
>> highlighting useful accessories for the new 16-inch MacBook Pro.
>> 
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>>  
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.

> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I thought some might like to read this 
>  
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
>  
> 
> Brought to you by:  
> 
>  
> 
> New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to Order 
> 
> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its 
> all-new Mac Pro 
> ,
>  with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive 
> selection of upgrade options 
> 
>  and optional $400 wheels 
> ,
>  a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000 
> .
> 
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer 
> 
>  is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.
> 
> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
> available to order 
> 
>  for $4,999. Both products are in the process of shipping to customers, with 
> deliveries expected to begin early next week 
> .
>  
> Read Full Article 
> 
> Support Our Sponsor
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>  
> 
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> Ready or not, the holidays are here. Check off your gift list with great 
> deals on the best tech from OWC 
> .
>  We have everything you need from stocking stuffers, to white elephant gifts, 
> and all the way up to that big gift from jolly ol’ Santa.
> 
> Here’s what’s sparkling in our Holiday Specials.
>  
> Mac upgrades:
> OWC Memory Upgrade Kits
> OWC SSD Upgrades for Mac
> Storage and docking:
> OWC Envoy Pro EX
> Akitio ThunderRAID Station
> OWC miniStack
> Home and office:
> Apple HomePods with SIRI
> Beats Studio 2 Wireless Headphones
> Targus USB Wall Outlets
> USB Hubs
> PLUS a full lineup of fully inspected and certified refurbished Macs.
> 
> Finish your shopping from the comfort of your chair and get into celebration 
> mode early. Enjoy same-day shipping on some items. Limited supply, so get 
> clickin’!
> 
> Happy Holidays, fellow Mac Lovers! All the best in 2020.
> 
> -The OWC Family
> 
> Visit Sponsor 
> 
> Popular Stories
> Dec 12, 2019
> New Mac Pro Accessories Added to Apple Store Along With Logitech 4K Webcam 
> for Pro Display XDR 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> Apple
>  has added a selection of accessories for the new Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR 
> to its online store 
> ,
>  including graphics and storage modules, a lock adapter, an AUX power cable 
> kit, and more.
> 
> For the Pro Display XDR, there is an optional $999 stand, a VESA mount 
> adapter, and Logitech's new 4K Pro Magnetic Webcam 
> 

Re: New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to Order - MacRumors

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Lucky one.
If i could get my hands on one i’d have no fan issues.
/A

> 11 dec. 2019 kl. 16:48 skrev CHUCK REICHEL :
> 
> Hi Barry,
> 
> Now where talking!
> Can't wait!
> Have a place for it in my amp closet  waiting at my  studio! :)
> Now to start planning the "patch Bay"!
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
> 
>> The perfect stocking stuffer.
>>> https://www.macrumors.com/2019/12/10/mac-pro-now-available-to-order/ 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Barry Hadder
>> barretthad...@my.unt.edu 
>> 
>> 
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[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Barry,

Now where talking!
Can't wait!
Have a place for it in my amp closet  waiting at my  studio! :)
Now to start planning the "patch Bay"!
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’


On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:

> The perfect stocking stuffer.
>> https://www.macrumors.com/2019/12/10/mac-pro-now-available-to-order/
> 
> 
> Barry Hadder
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Re: New Mac User

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

That would be me. To do this:
• When you open the Mail app, you should be in the Messages table.
• Interact with that table. You should then be on a message in that table
• Now, interact with that message. If you aren’t on one, Voiceover + Right 
arrow until you are.
• Now, you should hear “unread” or from whom the message is sent. Right arrow 
until you hear the subject spoken; it is passed the time it was sent.
• Now, you can just use Down Arrow to navigate between messages, Delete to 
delete them, (delete is where backspace is on other computers,) or Return to 
open it.
• Note also that you can navigate by sender, or even receive time if you want. 
I navigate by sender in the “Junk” folder, for example.

Hope this helps.

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:54 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Someone mentioned that you could simply go through mail hearing only the 
> subject spoken. Can this be explained?
> 
> Kristeen
> On Sep 2, 2019, at 9:30 PM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used Windows, the 
> Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is perfect, but for 
> me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even dabbling in code, 
> the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. VoiceOver can hold 
> your hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just like the iPhone, 
> but it would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver can be used in 
> amazing ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing more if you 
> want, making going through email an absolute joy compared to the Windows 
> screen readers. Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single 
> controls. One can know if an app launches in the background. With the Mac 
> itself, you can have time announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto 
> correct is a joy to use. All this could be done in Windows if Microsoft 
> wanted, but it hasn't yet. So, for now, Mac is the operating system of the 
> future, for general computing, until iPad takes place.  
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie"  <mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will take 
> your advice on this one. Thanks,
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Phil Halton <>
> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
> To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
> getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual 
> book of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom 
> most entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
> appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha < <>hemaka...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:hemaka...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marie,
>>  
>> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
>> benefited from them.
>>  
>> Warmly,
>> Hem.
>>  
>>  
>> From: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>< <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
>> To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>>  
>> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
>> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
>> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
>> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
>> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
>> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
>> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>  
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie < <>magpie...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
>> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
>> Apple Vis. Today I a

Re: New Mac User

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Someone mentioned that you could simply go through mail hearing only the 
subject spoken. Can this be explained?

Kristeen
On Sep 2, 2019, at 9:30 PM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used Windows, the 
Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is perfect, but for 
me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even dabbling in code, 
the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. VoiceOver can hold your 
hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just like the iPhone, but it 
would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver can be used in amazing 
ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing more if you want, making 
going through email an absolute joy compared to the Windows screen readers. 
Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single controls. One can know 
if an app launches in the background. With the Mac itself, you can have time 
announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto correct is a joy to use. All this 
could be done in Windows if Microsoft wanted, but it hasn't yet. So, for now, 
Mac is the operating system of the future, for general computing, until iPad 
takes place.  

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor



On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie" mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will take 
your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie
 
 
From: Phil Halton <>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New Mac User
 
Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book 
of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most 
entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.

Sent from my IPhone
 

On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha < <>hemaka...@gmail.com 
<mailto:hemaka...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Hi Marie,
>  
> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
> benefited from them.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> From: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>< <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
> To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie < <>magpie...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings 
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others, 
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them. 
> Petrus 
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries < 
> <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and

Re: New Mac User

[d.prater via MacVisionaries]

  
  
  

I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used 
Windows, the Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is 
perfect, but for me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even 
dabbling in code, the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. 
VoiceOver can hold your hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just 
like the iPhone, but it would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver 
can be used in amazing ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing 
more if you want, making going through email an absolute joy compared to the 
Windows screen readers. Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single 
controls. One can know if an app launches in the background. With the Mac 
itself, you can have time announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto correct 
is a joy to use. All this could be done in Windows if Microsoft wanted, but it 
hasn't yet. So, for now, Mac is the operating system of the future, for general 
computing, until iPad takes place.  



Devin PraterAssistive Technology Instructor

  




On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie"  wrote:















Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will 
take your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie
 


 

From: Phil 
Halton 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User
 
Actually 
Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the getting 
started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book of 
chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most entry 
in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has appendices 
for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.



Sent from my IPhone
 

On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha 
 wrote:



  
  
  

  
  

Hi 
  Marie,
  

 
  

I find David 
  Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely benefited from 
  them.
  

 
  

Warmly,
  

Hem.
  

 
  

 
  
  
  

From: 
  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
   On Behalf Of Phil 
  Halton
Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
To: 
  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac 
  User
  

 
  

Marie, don’t forget to plow 
  through the getting started guide. You can find it by pressing the help menu 
  keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at the bottom of the list. 
  You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but try to bring up the 
  table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information about using 
  voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the voiceover help 
  menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there along with 
  questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
  
  
  

Sent from my IPhone
  
  

 
  
  


On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 
  PM, Marie  wrote:
  






I listened to 
the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as several 
from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast 
from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.



I have lots 
to learn for sure.



Marie



 





 




From: 
Petrus Tuerlings 



Sent: 
Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM



To: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 



Subject: Re: 
    New Mac User



 



Hi Marie and 
others, 



Welcome to 
the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I may have 
herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well I’ve 
been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I only 
ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help 
and I would have been lost without them. 



Petrus 








  
  

On 
  1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
   
  wrote:
  
  

 
  
  
  

I am 
  another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
  joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. 
  We are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not 
  using the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would 
  use text edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be 
  beneficial. This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you 
from 
  other lists  
  
  

I already 
  know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
  windows.

Gail
  
  
  

 
  
  

Sent from 
  Gail’s iPhone
  
  


On Aug 31, 

Re: New Mac User

[Marie]

Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will take 
your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie


From: Phil Halton 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book 
of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most 
entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.


Sent from my IPhone


On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:


  Hi Marie,

   

  I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
benefited from them.

   

  Warmly,

  Hem.

   

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
  Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: New Mac User

   

  Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down 
at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at first, 
but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in 
the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need 
there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.

  Sent from my IPhone

   


  On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:

I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast from 
John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.

I have lots to learn for sure.

Marie

 

 

From: Petrus Tuerlings 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: New Mac User

 

Hi Marie and others, 

Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? 
I may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. 
I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me 
not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help 
and I would have been lost without them. 

Petrus 





  On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   

  I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  

  I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
windows.

  Gail

   

  Sent from Gail’s iPhone


  On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:

  Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is 
one I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even 
do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I 
believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.

  Looking forward to the group interaction.

  Marie

   

  From: Dave Carlson 

  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM

  To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 

  Subject: Re: New Mac User

   

  Marie, 

  You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).

  I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using 
the Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.

  I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit 
apps, and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
comfortable with Contacts.

  Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the 
Voiceover Utility and System Preferences.

  And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real 
experts on board.


  Dave Carlson

  Engineer, Pioneer

Re: New Mac User

[Michael Maslo]

David Woodbridge and applevis were and are extremely helpful for me

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Sep 1, 2019, at 00:18, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Marie,
>  
> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
> benefited from them.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others,
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them.
> Petrus
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.
> 
> Gail
>  
> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
> I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
> Looking forward to the group interaction.
> Marie
>  
> From: Dave Carlson
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie,
> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
> macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
> there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
> done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by 
> David Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
> comfortable with Contacts.
> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
> Utility and System Preferences.
> And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
> on board.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
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Re: New Mac User

[Phil Halton]

Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book 
of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most 
entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marie,
>  
> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
> benefited from them.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others,
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them.
> Petrus
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.
> 
> Gail
>  
> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
> I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
> Looking forward to the group interaction.
> Marie
>  
> From: Dave Carlson
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie,
> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
> macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
> there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
> done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by 
> David Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
> comfortable with Contacts.
> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
> Utility and System Preferences.
> And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
> on board.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musi

RE: New Mac User

[Hemachandran Karaha]

Hi Marie,

 

I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
benefited from them.

 

Warmly,

Hem.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac User

 

Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find it 
by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at 
the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but 
try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information 
about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the 
voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there 
along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.

Sent from my IPhone

 


On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie mailto:magpie...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast from 
John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.

I have lots to learn for sure.

Marie

 

 

From: Petrus Tuerlings 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: New Mac User

 

Hi Marie and others, 

Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well 
I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I 
only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help and 
I would have been lost without them. 

Petrus 





On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  

I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.

Gail

 

Sent from Gail’s iPhone


On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie mailto:magpie...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one I 
have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am familiar 
with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even do a bit 
of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I believe I have 
the mindset to learn the Mac.

Looking forward to the group interaction.

Marie

 

From: Dave Carlson 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM

To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 

Subject: Re: New Mac User

 

Marie, 

You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com <http://macfortheblind.com/>  and look at his audio 
tutorials. Many are cost-based, but there are about a half dozen basic 
tutorials that are free, and are very well done. I learned a lot from John’s 
tutorials, and also from those done by David Woodbridge on appleviz.com 
<http://appleviz.com/>  (did I spell that one right?).

I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.

I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, and 
then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. Calendar 
and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not comfortable 
with Contacts.

Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.

And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts on 
board.


Dave Carlson

Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian

 

 

 

 

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Re: New Mac User

[Marie]

No, I have not forgotten and it would be hard since most podcasts for 
beginners, encourages new user to go through it at least once. I started it 
this afternoon and had to interrupt it for now but will probably continue 
tomorrow. So far, some of the tutorials and podcasts actually do a better job 
of explaining some things than the quick start. But I definitely will finish it.
Marie


From: Phil Halton 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 5:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find it 
by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at 
the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but 
try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information 
about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the 
voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there 
along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.


Sent from my IPhone


On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:


  I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast from 
John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
  I have lots to learn for sure.
  Marie


  From: Petrus Tuerlings 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: New Mac User

  Hi Marie and others, 
  Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well 
I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I 
only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help and 
I would have been lost without them. 
  Petrus 



On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  
I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
windows.

Gail

Sent from Gail’s iPhone

On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:


Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is 
one I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even 
do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I 
believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
Looking forward to the group interaction.
Marie

From: Dave Carlson 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Marie, 
You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).

I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
comfortable with Contacts.
Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
on board.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian




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Re: New Mac User

[Phil Halton]

Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find it 
by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at 
the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but 
try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information 
about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the 
voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there 
along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others,
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them.
> Petrus 
> 
>> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
>> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
>> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
>> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
>> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
>> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
>> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
>> windows.
>> 
>> Gail
>>  
>> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is 
>> one I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
>> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
>> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
>> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
>> Looking forward to the group interaction.
>> Marie
>>  
>> From: Dave Carlson
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>>  
>> Marie,
>> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
>> macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
>> there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very 
>> well done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done 
>> by David Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
>> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
>> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
>> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
>> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
>> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
>> comfortable with Contacts.
>> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
>> Utility and System Preferences.
>> And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
>> on board.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Re: New Mac User

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks, but you’ve returned the favour a few times,, I would never have worked 
out that quick nav tip the other day. 
Take care,
Petrus 

> On 1/09/2019, at 8:44 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Well, Petrus. For being a new user, you’ve already provided me with some 
> valuable help, and I appreciate the 6-month lead you have in experience.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
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Well, Petrus. For being a new user, you’ve already provided me with some 
valuable help, and I appreciate the 6-month lead you have in experience.

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Re: New Mac User

[Marie]

I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast from 
John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
I have lots to learn for sure.
Marie


From: Petrus Tuerlings 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Hi Marie and others, 
Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well 
I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I 
only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help and 
I would have been lost without them. 
Petrus 



  On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  
  I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.

  Gail

  Sent from Gail’s iPhone

  On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:


  Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even 
do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I 
believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
  Looking forward to the group interaction.
  Marie

  From: Dave Carlson 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
  To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  Subject: Re: New Mac User

  Marie, 
  You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).

  I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
  I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
comfortable with Contacts.
  Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
  And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
on board.

  Dave Carlson
  Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian




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Re: New Mac User

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Marie and others,
Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well 
I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I 
only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help and 
I would have been lost without them. 
Petrus 

> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.
> 
> Gail
> 
> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  <mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
> I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
> Looking forward to the group interaction.
> Marie
>  
> From: Dave Carlson <>
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <>
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie,
> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
> macfortheblind.com <http://macfortheblind.com/> and look at his audio 
> tutorials. Many are cost-based, but there are about a half dozen basic 
> tutorials that are free, and are very well done. I learned a lot from John’s 
> tutorials, and also from those done by David Woodbridge on appleviz.com 
> <http://appleviz.com/> (did I spell that one right?).
> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
> comfortable with Contacts.
> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
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> 
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Re: New Mac User

['Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries]

I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.

Gail

Sent from Gail’s iPhone

On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:

Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is  one 
I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even 
do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I 
believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
Looking forward to the group interaction.
Marie
 
From: Dave Carlson
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: New Mac User
 
Marie,
You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, and 
then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. Calendar 
and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not comfortable 
with Contacts.
Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts on 
board.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
 
 
 
 
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Re: New Mac User

[Marie]

Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one I 
have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am familiar 
with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even do a bit 
of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I believe I have 
the mindset to learn the Mac.
Looking forward to the group interaction.
Marie

From: Dave Carlson 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Marie, 
You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).

I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, and 
then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. Calendar 
and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not comfortable 
with Contacts.
Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts on 
board.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian




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Re: New Mac User

[Dave Carlson]

Marie,
You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com  and look at his audio 
tutorials. Many are cost-based, but there are about a half dozen basic 
tutorials that are free, and are very well done. I learned a lot from John’s 
tutorials, and also from those done by David Woodbridge on appleviz.com 
 (did I spell that one right?).
I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, and 
then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. Calendar 
and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not comfortable 
with Contacts.
Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
Utility and System Preferences.
And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts on 
board.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian




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Re: New Mac User

[John Panarese]

   If you give the Mac an honest and complete try, you will find it a pleasure 
to use. I am an “old dog” who learned new tricks in 2005 to switch over, and 
though I will never say it was an easy transition, an open mind and persistence 
paid off. I’d be happy to assist in any way.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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> On Aug 31, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am just giving the Mac Book Air a try after many years as a PC user. I 
> currently have a loaner 2013 model running Mojave. I have some podcasts which 
> are helping tremendously but some advice and help from more experienced users 
> will be very much appreciated.
> I want to disprove the saying, You can’t teach old dogs new tricks!
> Please help.
> Marie
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah that's true,

 Except for the current situation where I've completely deleted the OS from the 
ssd and it's now not talking to me.

I believe this might be due to file volt which was installed the first time I 
set it up before wiping it to install Mojave latest os version.
Oh well gives me something to play with at work tomorrow.
-Original Message-
From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:14 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: new mac books

You can always use an external keyboard while it's at home or at your workplace 
on a desk (either Bluetooth or USB).

On 6/11/19, 02:22, "Simon Fogarty"  wrote:

Thanks Janina,

 I'll let you know how it goes.

 Simon F


-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2019 4:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: new mac books

So, good luck with it, Simon! May you be pleasantly surprised.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  To late,
> 
> I've grabbed the 16GB I7 pro and as for the keyboard well that's 
something I can't get around as apple don't make a better option.
> If I get stuck I'll just make changes with a hot stick or something.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 1:27 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac books
> 
> Hi, Simon:
> 
> Being limited to 8Gb RAM might be a problem if you're running Win10, and 
especially if running in a vm.
> 
> But, I should think a keyboard you don't like would be even worse.
> 
> Can you hold out to see what comes from Apple later in the year? A lot of 
people are having issues with the newer keyboards. Seems reasonable Apple will 
do something about those complaints.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> >  That' my thoughts also,
> > 
> >  I can get a 2017 13" air for 2504 NZ dollars,  But it's got the 
> > custom build with 8gb ram, 2.2GHz I7 processor and 512GB ram, Oh and 
> > it's got the older keyboard style, But now I'm thinking I should 
> > just go for a newer pro and get use to the new butterfly keyboard as 
I'm guessing it's not going anywhere quickly.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:20 AM
> > To: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: new mac books
> > 
> > Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.
> > 
> > 
> > These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can 
get packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might just be 
the ticket.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > > I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave 
which is what I have.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. 
I'm currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still 
there or not.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the
> > > >> 2017 models still have the boot chime?
> > > >> 
> > > >> Janina
> > > >> 
> > > >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > >>> Hi Listers,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> > > >>> MacBookAir,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> > > >>> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only 
> > > >>> being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> > > >>> spec'ed out completely,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for 
apple to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book 
pro

Re: new mac books

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

You can always use an external keyboard while it's at home or at your workplace 
on a desk (either Bluetooth or USB).

On 6/11/19, 02:22, "Simon Fogarty"  wrote:

Thanks Janina,

 I'll let you know how it goes.

 Simon F


-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2019 4:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: new mac books

So, good luck with it, Simon! May you be pleasantly surprised.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  To late,
> 
> I've grabbed the 16GB I7 pro and as for the keyboard well that's 
something I can't get around as apple don't make a better option.
> If I get stuck I'll just make changes with a hot stick or something.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 1:27 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac books
> 
> Hi, Simon:
> 
> Being limited to 8Gb RAM might be a problem if you're running Win10, and 
especially if running in a vm.
> 
> But, I should think a keyboard you don't like would be even worse.
> 
> Can you hold out to see what comes from Apple later in the year? A lot of 
people are having issues with the newer keyboards. Seems reasonable Apple will 
do something about those complaints.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> >  That' my thoughts also,
> > 
> >  I can get a 2017 13" air for 2504 NZ dollars,  But it's got the 
> > custom build with 8gb ram, 2.2GHz I7 processor and 512GB ram, Oh and 
> > it's got the older keyboard style, But now I'm thinking I should 
> > just go for a newer pro and get use to the new butterfly keyboard as 
I'm guessing it's not going anywhere quickly.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:20 AM
> > To: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: new mac books
> > 
> > Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.
> > 
> > 
> > These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can 
get packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might just be 
the ticket.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > > I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave 
which is what I have.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. 
I'm currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still 
there or not.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the
> > > >> 2017 models still have the boot chime?
> > > >> 
> > > >> Janina
> > > >> 
> > > >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > >>> Hi Listers,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> > > >>> MacBookAir,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> > > >>> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only 
> > > >>> being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> > > >>> spec'ed out completely,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for 
apple to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book 
pro range?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still 
can't get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> > > >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> > > >>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac 
book line?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> The following information is impo

RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks Janina,

 I'll let you know how it goes.

 Simon F


-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2019 4:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

So, good luck with it, Simon! May you be pleasantly surprised.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  To late,
> 
> I've grabbed the 16GB I7 pro and as for the keyboard well that's something I 
> can't get around as apple don't make a better option.
> If I get stuck I'll just make changes with a hot stick or something.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 1:27 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac books
> 
> Hi, Simon:
> 
> Being limited to 8Gb RAM might be a problem if you're running Win10, and 
> especially if running in a vm.
> 
> But, I should think a keyboard you don't like would be even worse.
> 
> Can you hold out to see what comes from Apple later in the year? A lot of 
> people are having issues with the newer keyboards. Seems reasonable Apple 
> will do something about those complaints.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> >  That' my thoughts also,
> > 
> >  I can get a 2017 13" air for 2504 NZ dollars,  But it's got the 
> > custom build with 8gb ram, 2.2GHz I7 processor and 512GB ram, Oh and 
> > it's got the older keyboard style, But now I'm thinking I should 
> > just go for a newer pro and get use to the new butterfly keyboard as I'm 
> > guessing it's not going anywhere quickly.
> > 
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:20 AM
> > To: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: new mac books
> > 
> > Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.
> > 
> > 
> > These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can get 
> > packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might just be 
> > the ticket.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > > I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave 
> > > which is what I have.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> > > > currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's 
> > > > still there or not.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > >>  wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the
> > > >> 2017 models still have the boot chime?
> > > >> 
> > > >> Janina
> > > >> 
> > > >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > >>> Hi Listers,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> > > >>> MacBookAir,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> > > >>> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only 
> > > >>> being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> > > >>> spec'ed out completely,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for 
> > > >>> apple to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the 
> > > >>> mac book pro range?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still 
> > > >>> can't get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> > > >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> > > >>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
> > > >>> line?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> --
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> > > >>> Visionaries list.
> > > >>> 
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

So, good luck with it, Simon! May you be pleasantly surprised.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  To late,
> 
> I've grabbed the 16GB I7 pro and as for the keyboard well that's something I 
> can't get around as apple don't make a better option.
> If I get stuck I'll just make changes with a hot stick or something.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 1:27 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac books
> 
> Hi, Simon:
> 
> Being limited to 8Gb RAM might be a problem if you're running Win10, and 
> especially if running in a vm.
> 
> But, I should think a keyboard you don't like would be even worse.
> 
> Can you hold out to see what comes from Apple later in the year? A lot of 
> people are having issues with the newer keyboards. Seems reasonable Apple 
> will do something about those complaints.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> >  That' my thoughts also,
> > 
> >  I can get a 2017 13" air for 2504 NZ dollars,  But it's got the 
> > custom build with 8gb ram, 2.2GHz I7 processor and 512GB ram, Oh and 
> > it's got the older keyboard style, But now I'm thinking I should just 
> > go for a newer pro and get use to the new butterfly keyboard as I'm 
> > guessing it's not going anywhere quickly.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:20 AM
> > To: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: new mac books
> > 
> > Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.
> > 
> > 
> > These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can get 
> > packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might just be 
> > the ticket.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > > I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave 
> > > which is what I have.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> > > > currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's 
> > > > still there or not.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > >>  wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 
> > > >> 2017 models still have the boot chime?
> > > >> 
> > > >> Janina
> > > >> 
> > > >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > >>> Hi Listers,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> > > >>> MacBookAir,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> > > >>> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only 
> > > >>> being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> > > >>> spec'ed out completely,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for 
> > > >>> apple to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the 
> > > >>> mac book pro range?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still 
> > > >>> can't get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> > > >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> > > >>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
> > > >>> line?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> --
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> > > >>> Visionaries list.
> > > >>> 
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

 To late,

I've grabbed the 16GB I7 pro and as for the keyboard well that's something I 
can't get around as apple don't make a better option.
If I get stuck I'll just make changes with a hot stick or something.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 1:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

Hi, Simon:

Being limited to 8Gb RAM might be a problem if you're running Win10, and 
especially if running in a vm.

But, I should think a keyboard you don't like would be even worse.

Can you hold out to see what comes from Apple later in the year? A lot of 
people are having issues with the newer keyboards. Seems reasonable Apple will 
do something about those complaints.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  That' my thoughts also,
> 
>  I can get a 2017 13" air for 2504 NZ dollars,  But it's got the 
> custom build with 8gb ram, 2.2GHz I7 processor and 512GB ram, Oh and 
> it's got the older keyboard style, But now I'm thinking I should just 
> go for a newer pro and get use to the new butterfly keyboard as I'm guessing 
> it's not going anywhere quickly.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:20 AM
> To: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Re: new mac books
> 
> Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.
> 
> 
> These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can get 
> packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might just be the 
> ticket.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which 
> > is what I have.
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> > > currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's 
> > > still there or not.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 
> > >> 2017 models still have the boot chime?
> > >> 
> > >> Janina
> > >> 
> > >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > >>> Hi Listers,
> > >>> 
> > >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> > >>> MacBookAir,
> > >>> 
> > >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> > >>> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only 
> > >>> being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> > >>> spec'ed out completely,
> > >>> 
> > >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple 
> > >>> to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book 
> > >>> pro range?
> > >>> 
> > >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> > >>> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> > >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> > >>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
> > >>> line?
> > >>> 
> > >>> --
> > >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
> > >>> Visionaries list.
> > >>> 
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Simon:

Being limited to 8Gb RAM might be a problem if you're running Win10, and
especially if running in a vm.

But, I should think a keyboard you don't like would be even worse.

Can you hold out to see what comes from Apple later in the year? A lot
of people are having issues with the newer keyboards. Seems reasonable
Apple will do something about those complaints.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  That' my thoughts also,
> 
>  I can get a 2017 13" air for 2504 NZ dollars,
>  But it's got the custom build with 8gb ram, 2.2GHz I7 processor and 512GB 
> ram,
> Oh and it's got the older keyboard style,
> But now I'm thinking I should just go for a newer pro and get use to the new 
> butterfly keyboard as I'm guessing it's not going anywhere quickly.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:20 AM
> To: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: new mac books
> 
> Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.
> 
> 
> These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can get 
> packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might just be the 
> ticket.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which 
> > is what I have.
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> > > currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's 
> > > still there or not.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017 
> > >> models still have the boot chime?
> > >> 
> > >> Janina
> > >> 
> > >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > >>> Hi Listers,
> > >>> 
> > >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> > >>> MacBookAir,
> > >>> 
> > >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> > >>> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only being 
> > >>> able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if spec'ed out 
> > >>> completely,
> > >>> 
> > >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple 
> > >>> to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book 
> > >>> pro range?
> > >>> 
> > >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> > >>> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> > >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> > >>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
> > >>> line?
> > >>> 
> > >>> --
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

 That' my thoughts also,

 I can get a 2017 13" air for 2504 NZ dollars,
 But it's got the custom build with 8gb ram, 2.2GHz I7 processor and 512GB ram,
Oh and it's got the older keyboard style,
But now I'm thinking I should just go for a newer pro and get use to the new 
butterfly keyboard as I'm guessing it's not going anywhere quickly.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:20 AM
To: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: new mac books

Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.


These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can get 
packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might just be the 
ticket.

Janina

'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which 
> is what I have.
> 
> 
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> > currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still 
> > there or not.
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017 
> >> models still have the boot chime?
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> >>> Hi Listers,
> >>> 
> >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> >>> MacBookAir,
> >>> 
> >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> >>> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only being 
> >>> able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if spec'ed out 
> >>> completely,
> >>> 
> >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
> >>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
> >>> range?
> >>> 
> >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> >>> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> >>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
> >>> line?
> >>> 
> >>> --
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> >> Janina Sajka
> >> 
> >> Linux Foundation Fellow
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> >> 
> >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.


These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can
get packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might
just be the ticket.

Janina

'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which 
> is what I have.
> 
> 
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> > currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still 
> > there or not.
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> >> models still have the boot chime?
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> >>> Hi Listers,
> >>> 
> >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> >>> MacBookAir,
> >>> 
> >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
> >>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
> >>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> >>> spec'ed out completely,
> >>> 
> >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
> >>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
> >>> range?
> >>> 
> >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> >>> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> >>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
> >>> line?
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
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> >> 
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> >> 
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm unaware of grub being used as the primary boot loader. I know it can
be a secondary loader, as can the systemd loader.

'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Can Grub be installed on a recent Mac? If so, it might be your solution.
> 
> I know their UEFI implementation is non-standard, but it's still a worthwhile 
> question.
> 
> On 6/3/19, 14:37, "'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine what that could be.
> 
> I note that grub offers the option of playing sound. If one wants sound
> in a grub mediated boot, one is able to add a directive to provide that.
> 
> 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some 
> Apple System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's 
> probably some firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to 
> know it.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways 
> and have wondered why the removed it 
> > 
> > > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model 
> and it does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new 
> release models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> > > 
> > > Later...
> > > 
> > > Tim Kilburn
> > > Apple Teacher
> > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Jamf Certified Associate
> > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > 
> > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> > > models still have the boot chime?
> > > 
> > > Janina
> > > 
> > > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > >> Hi Listers,
> > >> 
> > >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> MacBookAir,
> > >> 
> > >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> available 2017 version of the mac book air,
> > >> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok 
> machine if spec'ed out completely,
> > >> 
> > >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for 
> apple to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book 
> pro range?
> > >> 
> > >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still 
> can't get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> > >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> > >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac 
> book line?
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Re: new mac books

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The MacOS version is immaterial to the startup chime.  The chime is part of the 
basic firmware and hardware check, not an OS feature.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2019, at 22:04, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which is 
what I have.


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still 
> there or not.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
>> models still have the boot chime?
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>> Hi Listers,
>>> 
>>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>>> 
>>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>>> spec'ed out completely,
>>> 
>>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>>> range?
>>> 
>>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
It should be configurable as i don’t like it.
THere’s a small sound when you turn your mac on without the bootchime.
Its just a half of a second but you really have to have silence around you to 
hear that.
At least that’s what i hear from my mac when i turn it on with no chime.
But i have the Macbook air 11 inch early 2015.
I decided to turn the chime off with onyx.
I actually don’t like the sound at all.
But they could have put another sound there for those who wanted it or as i 
mentioned earlier it should be possible to turn that back on again.
/A

> 3 juni 2019 kl. 20:36 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Yes, I'm not surprised. I'm just not recalling exactly when it was
> removed from what models, and whether or not it's now too late to pick
> up any that still have it unused.
> 
> As to why, I suspect it's as simple as most sighted computer users,
> perhaps I should say many sighted users have a strong aversion to
> automated sounds from their machines, even at the boot stage.
> 
> However, what is not understandable is why this can't be a configurable
> option those of us who rely on it might choose to invoke in ou machine
> profiles.
> 
> I think someone filed a bug, but I also think it was a bug too
> restricted by machine model. I could be wrong.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Julie Rattray writes:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and 
>> have wondered why the removed it 
>> 
>>> On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
>>> does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
>>> models no longer have the Boot Chime.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
>>> models still have the boot chime?
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Simon Fogarty writes:
 Hi Listers,
 
 It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
 
 Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
 2017 version of the mac book air,
 Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
 spec'ed out completely,
 
 However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
 put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
 range?
 
 I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
 get use to the keys on the keyboard.
 Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
 Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
 
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Re: new mac books

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which is 
what I have.


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still 
> there or not.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
>> models still have the boot chime?
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>> Hi Listers,
>>> 
>>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>>> 
>>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>>> spec'ed out completely,
>>> 
>>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>>> range?
>>> 
>>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm currently 
beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still there or not.


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> models still have the boot chime?
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>> 
>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>> spec'ed out completely,
>> 
>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>> range?
>> 
>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

[lenron brown]

Yeah I was kind of sad when I heard they got rid of that. I don't
think there was a good reason for this.

On 6/3/19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Don't know why they removed something that has been part f the apple
> computer  world for many many years,
>
> It use to indicate that all services were functioning correctly.
>  Oh and that wally was charging but whether that still fits I can't be
> sure.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 6:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac books
>
> Yes, I'm not surprised. I'm just not recalling exactly when it was removed
> from what models, and whether or not it's now too late to pick up any that
> still have it unused.
>
> As to why, I suspect it's as simple as most sighted computer users, perhaps
> I should say many sighted users have a strong aversion to automated sounds
> from their machines, even at the boot stage.
>
> However, what is not understandable is why this can't be a configurable
> option those of us who rely on it might choose to invoke in ou machine
> profiles.
>
> I think someone filed a bug, but I also think it was a bug too restricted by
> machine model. I could be wrong.
>
> Janina
>
>
> Julie Rattray writes:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways
>> and have wondered why the removed it
>>
>> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>> > > > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and
>> > it does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new
>> > release models no longer have the Boot Chime.
>> >
>> > Later...
>> >
>> > Tim Kilburn
>> > Apple Teacher
>> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >  Jamf Certified Associate
>> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> >
>> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> > > > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
>> > models still have the boot chime?
>> >
>> > Janina
>> >
>> > Simon Fogarty writes:
>> >> Hi Listers,
>> >>
>> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11"
>> >> MacBookAir,
>> >>
>> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently
>> >> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only being
>> >> able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if spec'ed out
>> >> completely,
>> >>
>> >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple
>> >> to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book
>> >> pro range?
>> >>
>> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't
>> >> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
>> >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>> >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book
>> >> line?
>> >>
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

Don't know why they removed something that has been part f the apple computer  
world for many many years,

It use to indicate that all services were functioning correctly.
 Oh and that wally was charging but whether that still fits I can't be sure.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 6:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

Yes, I'm not surprised. I'm just not recalling exactly when it was removed from 
what models, and whether or not it's now too late to pick up any that still 
have it unused.

As to why, I suspect it's as simple as most sighted computer users, perhaps I 
should say many sighted users have a strong aversion to automated sounds from 
their machines, even at the boot stage.

However, what is not understandable is why this can't be a configurable option 
those of us who rely on it might choose to invoke in ou machine profiles.

I think someone filed a bug, but I also think it was a bug too restricted by 
machine model. I could be wrong.

Janina


Julie Rattray writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways 
> and have wondered why the removed it
> 
> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> > does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
> > models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > 
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> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017 
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> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> >> Hi Listers,
> >> 
> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> >> MacBookAir,
> >> 
> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> >> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only being 
> >> able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if spec'ed out 
> >> completely,
> >> 
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> >> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
> >> range?
> >> 
> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

I can not be sure,
I thought they did,

Really what I want to know is if they would bring back the 11" MBA 
That's what I am going to be replacing.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 5:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017 models 
still have the boot chime?

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Listers,
> 
> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> MacBookAir,
> 
> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only being able 
> to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if spec'ed out completely,
> 
> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to put 
> the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?
> 
> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
> use to the keys on the keyboard.
> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
> 
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

HI tim,

>From us we’re looking at approx. 2500 Km to the west in probably Sydney as the 
>closest.


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 2:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

Hi,

Hmmm, I'm not sure that access to an Apple Store is really a consideration up 
here.  The nearest one is about 500 km south of here.  I guess that if you 
don't have any at all in NZ, then you're doing better, but not a factor in my 
world.

aLater...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

[cid:image001.jpg@01D51AD7.8D983130]

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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 2, 2019, at 21:51, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Yeah Hi Tim,

I kind of guessed as much but thought there might be something we don’t know of 
down under,
Hell Petrus and I have no access to apple stores like you guys or even 
Australia have.

If I can’t get it replaced via insurance then I’ll have to splash out and 
purchase a customised 2017 MBA with the older and nicer keyboard style,

Although the Pro is a nice machines.


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, 3 June 2019 2:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: new mac books

Hi,

I've not heard of such a thing and I really doubt that it will ever be an 
option.  They may design a new non-butterfly option at some point, but I 
believe, from history, that once they move forward with something like the new 
design, you're out of luck with them going back.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 2, 2019, at 05:12, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Listers,

It’s looking like I’m going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11” MacBookAir,

Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
version of the mac book air,
Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it’s an ok machine if 
spec’ed out completely,

However what I’m really wondering is if it’s really possible for apple to put 
the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?

I’ve been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can’t get use 
to the keys on the keyboard.
Preferring my 11” MBA keyboard.
Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?

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Re: new mac books

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Can Grub be installed on a recent Mac? If so, it might be your solution.

I know their UEFI implementation is non-standard, but it's still a worthwhile 
question.

On 6/3/19, 14:37, "'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries" 
 wrote:

I can't imagine what that could be.

I note that grub offers the option of playing sound. If one wants sound
in a grub mediated boot, one is able to add a directive to provide that.

'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some 
Apple System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's probably 
some firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to know it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
>  Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and 
have wondered why the removed it 
> 
> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model 
and it does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
> > 
> > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> > models still have the boot chime?
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> >> Hi Listers,
> >> 
> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
MacBookAir,
> >> 
> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
available 2017 version of the mac book air,
> >> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine 
if spec'ed out completely,
> >> 
> >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple 
to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
range?
> >> 
> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still 
can't get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
line?
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I can't imagine what that could be.

I note that grub offers the option of playing sound. If one wants sound
in a grub mediated boot, one is able to add a directive to provide that.

'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some Apple 
> System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's probably some 
> firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to know it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
>  Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and 
> have wondered why the removed it 
> 
> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> > does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
> > models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> > models still have the boot chime?
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> >> Hi Listers,
> >> 
> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
> >> 
> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
> >> 2017 version of the mac book air,
> >> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> >> spec'ed out completely,
> >> 
> >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
> >> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
> >> range?
> >> 
> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> >> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, I'm not surprised. I'm just not recalling exactly when it was
removed from what models, and whether or not it's now too late to pick
up any that still have it unused.

As to why, I suspect it's as simple as most sighted computer users,
perhaps I should say many sighted users have a strong aversion to
automated sounds from their machines, even at the boot stage.

However, what is not understandable is why this can't be a configurable
option those of us who rely on it might choose to invoke in ou machine
profiles.

I think someone filed a bug, but I also think it was a bug too
restricted by machine model. I could be wrong.

Janina


Julie Rattray writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and 
> have wondered why the removed it 
> 
> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> > does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
> > models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> > models still have the boot chime?
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> >> Hi Listers,
> >> 
> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
> >> 
> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
> >> 2017 version of the mac book air,
> >> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> >> spec'ed out completely,
> >> 
> >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
> >> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
> >> range?
> >> 
> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> >> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

[Julie Rattray]

Yes I am sure there will be a reason but it is one of those odd annoyances

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 19:20, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some Apple 
> System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's probably some 
> firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to know it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
>  Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and 
> have wondered why the removed it 
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
>> does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
>> models no longer have the Boot Chime.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
>> models still have the boot chime?
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>> Hi Listers,
>>> 
>>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>>> 
>>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>>> spec'ed out completely,
>>> 
>>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>>> range?
>>> 
>>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some Apple 
System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's probably some 
firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to know it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi,

I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and have 
wondered why the removed it 

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
> models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
>  Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> models still have the boot chime?
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>> 
>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>> spec'ed out completely,
>> 
>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>> range?
>> 
>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and have 
wondered why the removed it 

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
> models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
>  Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> models still have the boot chime?
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>> 
>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>> spec'ed out completely,
>> 
>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>> range?
>> 
>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release models 
no longer have the Boot Chime.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
models still have the boot chime?

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Listers,
> 
> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
> 
> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
> version of the mac book air,
> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> spec'ed out completely,
> 
> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to put 
> the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?
> 
> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
> use to the keys on the keyboard.
> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
models still have the boot chime?

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Listers,
> 
> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
> 
> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
> version of the mac book air,
> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> spec'ed out completely,
> 
> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to put 
> the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?
> 
> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
> use to the keys on the keyboard.
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> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Hmmm, I'm not sure that access to an Apple Store is really a consideration up 
here.  The nearest one is about 500 km south of here.  I guess that if you 
don't have any at all in NZ, then you're doing better, but not a factor in my 
world.

aLater...

Tim Kilburn
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 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 2, 2019, at 21:51, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah Hi Tim,
 
I kind of guessed as much but thought there might be something we don’t know of 
down under,
Hell Petrus and I have no access to apple stores like you guys or even 
Australia have.
 
If I can’t get it replaced via insurance then I’ll have to splash out and 
purchase a customised 2017 MBA with the older and nicer keyboard style,
 
Although the Pro is a nice machines.
 
 
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
Sent: Monday, 3 June 2019 2:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: new mac books
 
Hi,
 
I've not heard of such a thing and I really doubt that it will ever be an 
option.  They may design a new non-butterfly option at some point, but I 
believe, from history, that once they move forward with something like the new 
design, you're out of luck with them going back.
 
Later...
 
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 05:12, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Hi Listers,
 
It’s looking like I’m going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11” MacBookAir,
 
Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
version of the mac book air,
Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it’s an ok machine if 
spec’ed out completely,
 
However what I’m really wondering is if it’s really possible for apple to put 
the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?
 
I’ve been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can’t get use 
to the keys on the keyboard.
Preferring my 11” MBA keyboard.
Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
 
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah Hi Tim,

I kind of guessed as much but thought there might be something we don’t know of 
down under,
Hell Petrus and I have no access to apple stores like you guys or even 
Australia have.

If I can’t get it replaced via insurance then I’ll have to splash out and 
purchase a customised 2017 MBA with the older and nicer keyboard style,

Although the Pro is a nice machines.


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 3 June 2019 2:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

Hi,

I've not heard of such a thing and I really doubt that it will ever be an 
option.  They may design a new non-butterfly option at some point, but I 
believe, from history, that once they move forward with something like the new 
design, you're out of luck with them going back.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

[cid:image001.jpg@01D51A24.2A7EDE40]

 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 2, 2019, at 05:12, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Listers,

It’s looking like I’m going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11” MacBookAir,

Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
version of the mac book air,
Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it’s an ok machine if 
spec’ed out completely,

However what I’m really wondering is if it’s really possible for apple to put 
the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?

I’ve been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can’t get use 
to the keys on the keyboard.
Preferring my 11” MBA keyboard.
Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?

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Re: new mac books

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

If you buy a Mac, you’re committing yourself to Apple’s hardware design 
decisions. You’re also acquiring a well integrated combination of hardware and 
software that is generally reliable at the operating system level, and which 
supports a good variety of applications. If you like this  trade-off, then 
that’s fine – otherwise, it’s time to look elsewhere, at least until Apple’s 
next redesign, when you’ll have another chance to evaluate whether the hardware 
is to your liking.

 

Unfortunately, the other options have trade-offs too…

 

Windows-based systems have good software support, good accessibility, and a 
greater variety of hardware options from multiple manufacturers. However, in my 
experience, they take more work to maintain (especially so far as security is 
concerned). I also don’t like Microsoft’s approach to hardware drivers, which 
are developed by each of the hardware manufacturers. If drivers or hardware 
components cause system crashes, these can be very difficult to diagnose – I’ve 
been in that situation. I’ve also encountered more screen reader and 
application crashes under Windows than elsewhere.

 

Linux-based systems tend to be reliable, and support a variety of hardware from 
various sources. The accessibility of the graphical user interfaces (there are 
several of them) isn’t as comprehensive as what you’ll find under Mac OS or 
Microsoft Windows, and there are plenty of those “rough edges” to make work 
difficult at times. The accessibility of the Linux command line and console 
interfaces is superb, however, so for those of us who can work with command 
line/console applications and a graphical browser, it’s a very good 
environment. Hardware drivers tend to be community maintained and centrally 
managed, which in my view is a positive attribute.

 

Chrome OS is a variant of Linux that primarily runs a Chrome browser. If you 
can do what you need using Web-based applications, it could be an option. The 
accessibility seemed quite good when I last tested it, but I haven’t spent much 
time with Chrome OS recently.

 

The conclusion: they all have benefits and shortcomings. Choose the trade-offs 
that best suit your situation and purchase accordingly.

 

From: Macvisionaries 
Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 10:25
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: new mac books

 

Hi,

 

I've not heard of such a thing and I really doubt that it will ever be an 
option.  They may design a new non-butterfly option at some point, but I 
believe, from history, that once they move forward with something like the new 
design, you're out of luck with them going back.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher

(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



 Jamf Certified Associate

Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On Jun 2, 2019, at 05:12, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

 

Hi Listers,

 

It’s looking like I’m going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11” MacBookAir,

 

Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
version of the mac book air,

Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it’s an ok machine if 
spec’ed out completely,

 

However what I’m really wondering is if it’s really possible for apple to put 
the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?

 

I’ve been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can’t get use 
to the keys on the keyboard.

Preferring my 11” MBA keyboard.

Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?

 

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Re: new mac books

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I've not heard of such a thing and I really doubt that it will ever be an 
option.  They may design a new non-butterfly option at some point, but I 
believe, from history, that once they move forward with something like the new 
design, you're out of luck with them going back.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 2, 2019, at 05:12, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Listers,
 
It’s looking like I’m going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11” MacBookAir,
 
Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
version of the mac book air,
Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it’s an ok machine if 
spec’ed out completely,
 
However what I’m really wondering is if it’s really possible for apple to put 
the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?
 
I’ve been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can’t get use 
to the keys on the keyboard.
Preferring my 11” MBA keyboard.
Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?

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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Simon,
Thanks. Sometimes I feel a little uncertanty about installing windows due to 
all the different experiences we all have had over the last several years.
So again, I really appreciate it.
Thanks. 


> On May 8, 2019, at 12:52 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> If you have the Mojave mac os and windows 1803 then you should be fine with 
> just using a usb connection headphones and or headphones with 3.5mm jack.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 4:14 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
> 
> Hello,
> Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
> At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
> research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
> Windows.
> Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
>> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
>> for the install.
>> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
>> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of B G
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>> 
>>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>>> Windows?
>>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes 
>>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>>> Ben.
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with 
>>>> out any issues.
>>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating 
>>>> system is that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best 
>>>> experience.
>>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless 
>>>> you are a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 
>>>> or 8 gigs if you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do 
>>>> this.
>>>> 
>>>> Tom
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>  On Behalf Of B G
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>>> 
>>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard 
>>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of 
>>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its 
>>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so 
>>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be 
>>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're 
>>>> probably better off with Bootcamp.
>>>> Good luck
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
>>>>> native install of windows.
>>>>> Still working out a few details.
>>>>> Later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>>>>>> your hardware specs?
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>>>>>> without any problems what soever.
>&g

RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

If you have the Mojave mac os and windows 1803 then you should be fine with 
just using a usb connection headphones and or headphones with 3.5mm jack.

-Original Message-
From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 4:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Hello,
Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
Windows.
Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?


> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
> for the install.
> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of B G
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>> 
>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>> Windows?
>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes 
>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>> Ben.
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with 
>>> out any issues.
>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating 
>>> system is that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best 
>>> experience.
>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless 
>>> you are a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 
>>> or 8 gigs if you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of B G
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>> 
>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard 
>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of 
>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its 
>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so 
>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be 
>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're 
>>> probably better off with Bootcamp.
>>> Good luck
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
>>>> native install of windows.
>>>> Still working out a few details.
>>>> Later.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>>>>> your hardware specs?
>>>>> Ben
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>>>>> without any problems what soever.
>>>>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>>>>>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for 
>>>>>> a project.
>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>> 
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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

jaws or nvda


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of B G
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your Windows?
I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes from 
articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
Ben.

On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with 
> out any issues.
> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system 
> is that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless 
> you are a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 
> or 8 gigs if you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do 
> this.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of B G
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>
> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard 
> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of 
> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its 
> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so 
> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be 
> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably 
> better off with Bootcamp.
> Good luck
> Ben
>
>
> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
>> native install of windows.
>> Still working out a few details.
>> Later.
>>
>>
>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>
>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>>> your hardware specs?
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello list,
>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>>> without any problems what soever.
>>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>>>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a 
>>>> project.
>>>> Later.
>>>>
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