Dear Denise D-Henry,
I suggest that Troia be read as a trisyllabic, i.e., Tro - i - a.
Mario A. Di Cesare
Denise Davis-Henry wrote:
Caris Amicis: My AP Vergil class has found a line from Bk II, 763, that
we cannot fit into dactylic hexameter.
It reads:praedam
Ratio legendi GAZA est longa-breuis (id est trochaeus), propterea quod nomen
est recto casu numero singulari, ut demonstratur a uerbis TROIA/ et ab ...
EREPTA(764).
Grato animo
Carmine Iannicelli
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The pattern I get when I scan it is s-s-s-d-d-s. The 'dam'
Emma,
Congratulations on the completion of your dissertation! I'd very much like to
know if you found many illustrations of the Fourth Eclogue in Renaissance art.
Although some have found the coloured sheep silly, I have always liked them.
Depictions of the Fourth Eclogue seem to me to be
from other
countries I am unfamiliar with.
Best,
Emma
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What is the purpose of these ruined cities (which are mentioned only
briefly)? Are they a prophecy of what Rome will come to in the end? In
which case there is not going to be much progress after all...
There was a
How times change! My copy is pushing thirty and holding up well!
Helen COB
On 23 Jan 2004, at 18:11, david connor wrote:
You'll probably get many references to Cunliffe's Homeric Lexicon, the
most useful tool I've found
for reading Homer. University of Oklahoma Press. Binding is poorly
Vincenzo, I'm afraid my Latin still isn't very good - I'm only halfway
through second year - so I struggled for a while with my terrible grammar
but I probably misunderstand you. I'm hesitant to express my views, as I
feel perhaps, as a student, I might be a little out of my depth here.
Are
What a pleasant start to the working week.
For my part, as a student, I'd prefer a translation that captures the poetry
rather than the latin, when studying a text in translation. Let us be moved
by beauty, and forgive the odd mistranslation. I took up Greek when studying
the Oresteia in
Hi Helen,
Refresh my memory...when is the ASCS conference? I have a business trip
to Dee Why coming up and I'd like to attend.
Many Thanks,
Matt
Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno
Day-Lewis? I see only audio recordings of his work...is there a written
text available?
Many Thanks,
Matt
Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES
Off the top of my head, both Aldhem and Bede use Maro as well as
Vergil - I'll check for actual percentages - I believe that is generally
true of early Anglo-Latin
Helen COB
On Monday, August 5, 2002, at 06:02 PM, David Wilson-Okamura wrote:
This should be an easy question, but it is one that I
--- You wrote:
In the case of Vergil, it seems clear (assuming we identify the person
named as the poet) that Horace in Odes I.3 calls Vergil Vergil. So perhaps
it is as simple a thing as what people called these writers in ancient times.
I doubt that the Romans consistently called all people by
i agree with u entirely
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I won't even attempt to scan Horace, but could it be a question of meter
that he uses he one rather
Virgil was highly regarded in medieval Wales and in Welsh his name comes out
as 'Pheryllt' or 'fferyll' and variants. However, the first vowel always
seems to be 'e', though an 'i' is possible in Welsh.
I imagine names were often recorded as heard, rather than as read, which
could account for
This one isn't quite so obscure. I believe that the i spelling came to be in
the 5th century AD (http://www.bartleby.com/65/ve/Vergil.html), when the Aeneid
was used as a sort of magic 8-ball. People would randomly open the Aeneid and
interpret the first line upon which their eyes fell. The
I don't think there is any rhyme or reason why we use the nomen for some
authors and the cognomen for others. We don't, for instance, call Ovid
Naso. We don't call Horace Flaccus. And we could find any number of
other instances in which this use of nomen rather than cognomen is our
preferred
, 2002 12:13 AM
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Thanks for your gracious reply.
Where did you find
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Thanks for your gracious reply.
Where did you find it?
Long story, but I think it was the name of a sword
Hi, Megan --
I have seen a movie based on that book, but have never read the book
itself and don't know the story that well. So it's hard for me to give
you an answer. Can you refresh my memory about the character Virgil, and
I will tell you whether he seems to have anything to do with the poet?
Sorry, everyone; I mistook this for a private message. Perhaps someone
else who knows the novel can comment.
Joe Farrell wrote:
Hi, Megan --
I have seen a movie based on that book, but have never read the book
itself and don't know the story that well. So it's hard for me to give
you an
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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:23:16 -0800
From: Neven Jovanovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I decided to use one of Ruaeus-like ad usum Delphini editions (London,
1819) with commentary in the proseminar (second year, undergraduate
students) on Georgics
I had never heard the suggestion that Virgil's work had
a significant
influence on the works of medieval and renaissance writers.
Could you please inform me of some references that would
confirm this
postulate?
In addition to Professor Bognini's suggestions, the following posted
by
Has anyone yet mentioned Curtius' European Literature and the Latin
Middle Ages - or that wonderfully readable work of Helen Waddell, The
Wandering Scholars?
Helen COB
On Tuesday, February 26, 2002, at 12:25 PM, Patrick Roper wrote:
I had never heard the suggestion that Virgil's work had
a
: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:07 PM
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writers
Has anyone yet mentioned Curtius' European Literature and the Latin
Middle Ages - or that wonderfully readable work of Helen Waddell, The
Wandering Scholars?
Helen COB
I'd like to thank P. Roper and H. Conrad-O'Briain
for their observations about twelfth century schooling
and Curtius' masterpiece (not mentioned so far) respectively.
With regard to the school, I have to recall an old, maybe old-fashioned
but always charming remark by Ludwig Traube: VIII and IX
I had never heard the suggestion that Virgil's work had a significant
influence on the works of medieval and renaissance writers.
Could you please inform me of some references that would confirm this
postulate?
Dear Manzer,
about Virgil's significant and large influence on medieval and
I had never heard the suggestion that Virgil's work had a significant
influence on the works of medieval and renaissance writers.
Could you please inform me of some references that would confirm this
postulate?
To begin with, read the article on Virgil in the Oxford Companion to
English
I am writing wrt Holkham MS 311. It is still at Holkham Hall (see info.
from Colin Burrow) and it is 15th c. Flemish. You may want to consult P.
Mane's article Enluminures Medievales des Georgiques de Virgile (Melanges
de l'Ecole Francaise de Rome, Moyan Age, 107, 1, 1995, 233-329. She
I don't know why the mantovano listserv has distributed this message again.
I sent it, and it was first distributed, in early July!
The article I got this from merely attributes the quotation to 'Fabricius'.
The reference may be to the 'Observationes Lectionis Virgilianae' of
Georgius Fabricius,
I am having no luck connecting the following quotation to its original
source:
'Donatus scribit Vergilium solitum dicere: nullam virtutem commodiorem
homini esse patentia ac nullam fortunam adeo esse asperam, quam prudenter
patiendo vir fortis non vincat.'
The article I got this from merely
The article I got this from merely attributes the quotation to 'Fabricius'.
The reference may be to the 'Observationes Lectionis Virgilianae' of
Georgius Fabricius, which were printed (in more than one version) in
Renaissance editions of Virgil. See, for example, Virgil's Opera (Basel,
1586) or
Dear Virgilians,
I hope this inquiry isn't too tangential for this list... I am
looking at how the Troy story was invoked in later medieval Irish
adaptations of Virgil and Dares, and recently came across an
assertion that puzzles me. Stanford, in his _Ireland and the
Classical Tradition_,
arts .' ( P.W.Joyce 'Old Celtic
Romances' )
Philip
Subject: VIRGIL: Re: Greek origins of the Irish?
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:30:49 GMT0BST
Dear Virgilians,
I hope this inquiry isn't too tangential for this list... I am
looking at how the Troy story was invoked in later medieval Irish
adaptations
in PMLA 111 (1996)
222-39.
A little off the point, I'm afraid, but hopefully of interest.
Regards
Bob
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Dear Virgilians,
I
understood the Celtic
language(s) spoken there and been familiar with some of the
traditional pan-Celtic stories. I would be most interested to know
what current thinking is on this Celtic dimension of Virgil.
Patrick Roper
Subject: VIRGIL: Re: Greek origins of the Irish?
Dear Virgilians,
I hope
At 22:08 27.05.01 +0200, you wrote:
¿Podría alguien ayudarme a localizar una página donde exista algún tipo de
foro de
discusión sobre Lorenzo Valla y su obra en latín? Estoy buscando el
comentario que
realiza el autor al término latino Testamentum (quizá se encuentre en sus
Elegantiae...pero no
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Butrica
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¿Podría alguien ayudarme a localizar una pgina donde exista algún tipo de
foro de discusión sobre Lorenzo Valla y su obra en latín? Estoy buscando
el comentario que realiza el autor al término latino Testamentum (quiz se
If you're just starting to read the Aeneid, the postscript to Fitzgerald's
translation is a fine
introduction, and some editions of his translation have a helpful bibliography
on this
topic.Another rich source is the Perseus site at Tufts.
Also try
Stuart Wheeler wrote:
The narrator of the poem is none other than Vergil himself.
Stuart,
what about A. bks 2 and 3?
Neven
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Memo Subjecte: Maro's birthplace 1/3/00 10:06
Danke.
On 1/3/00, hans.uma.zimmermann wrote:
George (Little Latin, less Greek) Heidekat schrieb:
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Subject: Vergilian seances
Jackson Knight
supposedly contacted the spirit of Virgil through a medium. A question
The 1997 _The Odyssey_, while of limited usefulness and less integrity, has
a preliminary review of the Trojan war (be careful to identify Sinon on
your own). The Branaugh _Hamlet_ has a version of the death of Paris with
Judy Dench playing Hecuba. Both are worthwhile for high school audiences
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These are the notorious verses alleged by Donatus and Servius to have
been removed from the beginning of the Aeneid by its first editors:
Ille ego qui quondam gracili modulatus
Query (for another list, when you want to be philosophical but not too
serious): _why_ is it not for the dead to judge of innovations?
There was once an artisan who made a glass cup that couldn't be broken. He
was let in to see Caesar, bringing his present; he got it back from him and
threw it
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(I've finally rooted out my copy of Wilson Knight's biography and thought
list members might enjoy a couple of excerpts. The speaker of the first
passage is T.J. Haarhoff, another
I think from memory that Jackson Knight found at this seance that Virgil
could no longer speak Latin in the afterlife and had to converse in
English. Although poor old Jackson Knight was probably deceived by the
medium, he was not the only Virgilian interested in these things:
F.W.H. Myers
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As for post-mortem meetings with Virgil, I have collected a few examples
of which the following is probably the most entertaining.
The novel Penguin Island(L'ile des pingouins (1908)) by Anatole
France (1844-1924)
Is indeed
There are plenty of humane people in the world who have never wittingly
encountered the classics - whether Vergil and Homer, or the authors who are
included under the rubric Classics in the bookstore in the mall. The
humanities are neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for making one
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Subject: VIRGIL: Re: Classics, the U.S., postmodernism
Timothy Mallon's views will hopefully stimulate discussion between memebers
of this group not only in the U.S. but also elsewhere. While
PLEASE stop sending - have twice signed off, have had confirmation of
sign-off
On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
VIRGIL DigestTuesday, 28 September 1999 Volume 01 : Number 061
Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
Re: VIRGIL: Re:casali
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VIRGIL DigestMonday, 27 September 1999 Volume 01 : Number 060
Re:casali reference?
Re: VIRGIL Digest V1 #59
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VIRGIL DigestMonday, 27 September 1999 Volume 01 :
Number 060
Re:casali reference?
Re: VIRGIL Digest V1 #59
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I have TWICE signed off all these Virgil-mantovano things, and have had
confirmation of same, so why am I still getting them? -Barry Baldwin
On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
VIRGIL DigestSunday, 26 September 1999 Volume 01 : Number 059
Re: VIRGIL: Another
On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, James Lewis wrote:
Randi Eldevik wrote:
[snip]
For my purposes, the Teutonic Knights and _all_ their activities are
just another example of an arrogant approach to cultural hegemony that was
all too common in Western Christianity during the Middle Ages; afterward,
Randi Eldevik wrote:
[snip]
For my purposes, the Teutonic Knights and _all_ their activities are
just another example of an arrogant approach to cultural hegemony that was
all too common in Western Christianity during the Middle Ages; afterward,
too. I might just as well have mentioned the
I now agree that the Aeneid wasn't favored over other epics during the
Middle Ages due to any reflections on the morality of force that seem
apparent in it today. In fact, even the most devout early Christians, I
believe , would not make the ana lysis of the Aeneid that some do today.
Citing
what are some examples of metonomy early on in the aeniad. i'm having trouble
picking them out
thanks
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wow that was quick. how did you do that.
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Hi i think that you sended your e-mail to a wong person. i would like
to
help but.
bye!!
From
scott mcguire wrote:
look i have no clue what you guys keep writing me for.so please
stop ...i don't even know who virgil is!
how sad.
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Has anyone yet seen a review of Richard Jenkyns' new Virgil's
Experience? It seemed to me to be making such a play to become THE
Vergil book that I am very curious to find out how reviewers
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Hi i would like if you could send to me a poetry on the 14 century in
mideaval ages...
Thank you!!
i really neede for today..
I suppose that it's hard, if you regard a book as in some way a fount of
wisdom, not be impressed or jolted if you open it at a passage which
engages with your mood, wishes or fears. Certainly I find this. There is
rather a good study of the matter in M.R.James' short story 'The Ash Tree'
-
James was always good with the apt biblical quote - as was Sayers. A nice
ironic twist with the Stratagems - so very Jamesian.
It seems from the response that the sortes have dies out - or are people to
shy to discuss their present day use?
Helen Conrad-O'Briain
At 02:26 PM 8/4/99 +0100, Helen Conrad-O'Briain wrote:
It seems from the response that the sortes have dies out - or are people to
shy to discuss their present day use?
The following story may be apocryphal; as I recall, it was recounted by my
sixth-grade teacher as an admonition AGAINST using
Since the subject came up ... there is the poem Sortes Vergilianae in John
Ashbery's _The Double Dream of Spring_. I've never caught the connection
between this poem and its title, but then, in Ashbery that relationship can
be oblique.
On this question, how many of you have known people who actually used
sortes with some degree of seriousness for any work, ie bible, Vergil,
Koran?
Helen Conrad-O'Briain
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Yahoo has a crossword puzzle page. You might want to check this address as
this puzzle deals with Vergil and Latin, including quotes.
http://games.yahoo.com/games/Crossword/puzzles/puz_990505.html
Hmmm...I don't know if this really qualifies as a Vergil xword
puzzle. There's one quote from
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:48:43 -0400 (EDT)
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Since both state-sponsored poetry and national epic are essentially dead
forms, a modern poet similar to Virgil would be difficult to find. In
American history, Robert Frost and Walt Whitman
See Gareth Reeves' _T. S. Eliot: A Virgilian Poet_ (New York: St. Martin's
Press, 1989). Reeves references much of Eliot's own writing about Virgil,
especially Eliot's book, _What is a Classic?_ and Eliot's essays, What is
a Classic? (1944) and Virgil and the Christian World (1951), both
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However, Aeneas must defeat Turnus if he is to marry Lavinia and
found Rome. Here he shows pietas
:VIRGIL: Re: Aeneas' 'greatest labour' ?
Possibly the idea of the second half of the Aenied being described as
Vergil's 'greater labour' is to do with the struggle of Aeneas in
fighting the violence and anger (furor)of others with his
strengthened pietas. Before his visit to the underworld in Book
with many areas of study!!
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Possibly the idea of the second half of the Aenied being described
Possibly the idea of the second half of the Aenied being described as
Vergil's 'greater labour' is to do with the struggle of Aeneas in
fighting the violence and anger (furor)of others with his
strengthened pietas. Before his visit to the underworld in Book 6,
Aeneas was unable to look forward
Possibly the idea of the second half of the Aenied being described as
Vergil's 'greater labour' is to do with the struggle of Aeneas in
fighting the violence and anger (furor)of others with his
strengthened pietas. Before his visit to the underworld in Book 6,
Aeneas was unable to look forward
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Possibly the idea of the second half of the Aenied being described
as
Vergil's 'greater labour' is to do with the struggle of Aeneas in
fighting the violence and anger
the traditional
culture thought to be progress. Would this have any merit with respect to
the meaning of the horse?
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I seem to remember seeing a vase, or sherd of a vase, in West Berlin, as
it was then, in which Athena is fashioning a horse. I haven't got LIMC
beside me at the moment, but someone may know what I'm talking about
At 12:18 AM -0400 4/10/1999, Catherine H Tate wrote:
I'd like to thank everyone who contributed to my question and the
responses were most interesting and very informational. I had cut and
pasted just your responses (i.e. not any names) to contribute your
responses to my professor. Well, I think
James,
Granted, I may be overinterpreting, but let's remember that Athena
was also a war-goddess. I think what I've said about the importance of
horses for military victory and conquest fits in nicely with the horse
being a gift to Athena, which is something I had in the back of my mind
all
I seem to remember seeing a vase, or sherd of a vase, in West Berlin, as
it was then, in which Athena is fashioning a horse. I haven't got LIMC
beside me at the moment, but someone may know what I'm talking about.
Leofranc
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At 3:27 PM -0400 4/6/99, RANDI C ELDEVIK wrote:
James,
Granted, I may be overinterpreting, but let's remember that Athena
was also a war-goddess. I think what I've said about the importance of
horses for military victory and conquest fits in nicely with the horse
being a gift to Athena,
I'm coming in the back door of this Virgil and film discussion (I've been
on spring break) but the Sean Connery, Kevin Costner _Untouchables_ struck
me as Vergilian at the end when Ness pushes the mob hit-man (Nitti is his
name I think?) off the roof. A film which has gone to great lengths to show
IMDB=Internet movie data base =www.imdb.com
It knows slightly more than Alice (Central Casting Human Data Base) does
Helen COB
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From Ed DeH.:
I'm coming in the back door of this Virgil and film discussion (I've been
on spring break) but the Sean Connery, Kevin Costner _Untouchables_ struck
me as Vergilian at the end when Ness pushes the mob hit-man (Nitti is his
name I think?) off the roof. A film which has gone to great
For several days I haven't received e-mails from the Newsletter. Has
e-mailing stopped because of Melissa? Some other reason? Please let me know.
Professor Susan Mitchell
English Department
Florida Atlantic University
Greetings
I send an excerpt from a late 19th c. English Latin primer:
From the Bankolidaid, Lib. I
Charmer virumque I sing, Jack plumigeramque Arabellam.
Costermonger erat Jack Jones, asinumque agitabat;
In Convent Garden holus, sprouts vendidit asparagumque.
Vendidit in Circo to the toffs
Here is a summary of the Æneid, which the Mantovani may find amusing:
The Classics in a Nutshell: Vergil's Æneid
1 Æneas,with his little boy,
2 Slid down the fire escape from Troy.
3 His wife Creusa he forgot,
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Here is a summary of the Æneid, which the Mantovani may find amusing:
The Classics in a Nutshell: Vergil's
The IMDB and a little leg work reveal Aeneas has been
on screen 5 times
1927: The Private Life of Helen of Troy
1956: Helen of Troy
1961: The Trojan Horse
1962: The Avenger [sequel to The Trojan Horse]
1971: Trolius and Cressida
As Peter mentioned, _The Trojan Horse_ is taken in part
from Book 2
Robert T. White wrote:
The IMDB and a little leg work reveal Aeneas has been
on screen 5 times
1927: The Private Life of Helen of Troy
1956: Helen of Troy
1961: The Trojan Horse
1962: The Avenger [sequel to The Trojan Horse]
1971: Trolius and Cressida
Thanks to Robert for his reseaches.
Tate wrote concerning The Classics in a Nutshell: Vergil's Æneid
Æneas,with his little boy etc:
Cute and sorta humorous as long as one remembers Ars gratia artis
I'm not quite sure what you mean by Ars gratia artis here.Did you feel
that my posting was not relevant or infra dignitatem
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The easy solution, or interpretation, of G. 1,388 would be to read
_crow's s's_--and C's and H--as the sound of _sand_, harena:
et Sola in SiCCa SeCum Spatiatur Harena
There probably are strong reasons to resolutely reject
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Free will versus Fate in the Eneid?At 10:40 PM 2/18/99 -0300, you wrote:
I am a Master's candidate and I would like to write my dissertation on the
Aeneid. Could someone suggest some themes of interest? I have no adviser as
yet. V. Iannini
Before anything else I think it is important that we recognise this as
formally a type scene - the recognition of a piece of equipment re-ignites
hatred and battle - the locus classicus for this in Norse and Old English
is the Ingeld- Starkathr episode, this said, it is clearly up to the
I ask that everyone bear with me and after my first post I feel I have
better asked and explained what I'm not sure of as far as Virgil's dual
voice in Aeneas. I may be very far off but I would appreciate any input.
Do you think Virgil employs the use of voice in Aeneas to exhibit first
the
Dear Mantovani,
I am back online after four very frustrating
months.I
missed the Virgilian discussions more than I can say. To celebrate my
return from exile in the cultural
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