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Nearly all decent motherboards have RAID controller capabilities these days. Doesn’t mean you have to use them Mine has two on board RAID controllers, both are disabled. -D > On Oct 10, 2018, at 12:15 AM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > OK - the FreeNAS site says ti avoid RAID

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OK - the FreeNAS site says ti avoid RAID controllers at all cost - they want to do it themselves. They go on about the "right" HBAs, NICs, etc. I think probably the one thing to pay attention to is Intel CPUs. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:55 AM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Just a generic PC I built

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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:40:03 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > I’m working from memory, it’s probably more. > > -D 6 TB, maybe? Craig > > On Oct 9, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Craig via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:54:49 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >> With a

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Funny that you mention Freecycle, as that’s where I got the processor and memory. I bought the motherboard and case. Something I learned a long time ago - don’t buy cheap cases. I got tired of my hands ending up like hamburger meat after working with $40 cases. For maybe twice that you can

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I am attempting an “in your face” to my youngest who wasted his summer wages trying to build a gaming PC. He was not static safe. A person could source a PC carcass off CL for near no cash. I tried the used computer store, but they seem to put all the e-cycle stuff on a pallet and ship it

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I can agree with the FreeNAS. Get it set up and forget about it for the most part. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:55 AM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Just a generic PC I built out of parts. Basic i7 processor I had laying > around, although you could certainly use something less powerful. >

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I’m working from memory, it’s probably more. -D > On Oct 9, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:54:49 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes > wrote: > >> With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or >> thereabouts. > > 6 GB? Is that all? > >

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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:54:49 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or > thereabouts. 6 GB? Is that all? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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Just a generic PC I built out of parts. Basic i7 processor I had laying around, although you could certainly use something less powerful. Motherboard with a RAID controller, 12GB of RAM, four 2GB hard drives, two 1GB hard drives and a 128GB SSD for a boot drive (again, major overkill but I had

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with the result so far. No doubt YMMV. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 7:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: OK Don Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks What hardware are you

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No qnap experience but my Synology boxes are all still ok. I had one disk failure on a ds211j that coincided with a power cut before I put everything on ups. I would look for a possible external cause for your qnap problems. Two fails is too many. I'm using Apc smartups on my systems (from

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What hardware are you running it on? I mistakenly thought that new hardware meant to be NAS would run a long time. In reading reviews, it w=seems that too many are finding that the lower end Synology, QNAP, and WD NAS boxes are lasting just about three months! On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:26 PM Dan

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FreeNAS, dude. My Freenas server has been churning away for almost three years without a hitch. Sorry to hear about the QNAP stuff. My Mac buddies like them and Synology. Again, I prefer to “roll my own” after getting burned by Drobo and DLink. I’ve never looked back. -D > On Oct 8,

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The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just turn off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply brick still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The first one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The good

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QNAP is good stuff, you should be fine with it. For anyone considering a NAS, avoid Drobo. They have proprietary firmware that “tags” each hard drive and checks it for errors. If the error count is too high as determined by their standards, the drive is flagged as bad and cannot be used in

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I chose it mostly because it has three drive bays, and is priced considerably less than the four bay boxes. I had good experiences rebuilding RAID 5 arrays back in the day, and usually found that bad data got replicated over good in mirrored arrays - maybe this box is marketed at retired IT guys

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I think this is the right strategy, especially with multiple PCs. I use Synology but I hear QNAP is good too. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK > Don via Mercedes > > So I ended up buying a QNAP NAS box - TS-328 - and filling

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So I ended up buying a QNAP NAS box - TS-328 - and filling it with three 4TB WD Red disks. That gets me 7.2TB with RAID 5. I then got a WD Mybook 8TB USB external drive to backup the NAS (done with one push of a button whenever you want). This should hold me for awhile. The three 4TB disks were

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> > We sell an SSD array for video storage that pulls an astounding 3,000MB/s > out of 10 drives to deliver to up to 10 simultaneous client connections. > Those numbers may not seem that impressive but the same system with > spinning disk drives is only 600MB/s. Flash is _really_ good at fast

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When I worked for the school district we had a vendor who got everything we trashed or was failed. No exceptions. They crushed anything that could potentially contain data. -D > On Apr 13, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> On April 13, 2018

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When it's time to renew the contract, what if a woman owned business (Angie) submitted a proposal? Mitch. > On April 13, 2018 at 11:22 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Nope, no parts to be removed by employees no matter what. We have a contract > with some

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Nope, no parts to be removed by employees no matter what. We have a contract with some other company and that company gets everything. I suppose the one thing the policy does is keep people from getting upset that "He got a better machine than me"... -Curt On Friday, April 13, 2018,

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> On April 13, 2018 at 11:17 AM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > Can you tell them you will pay more than the recycler pays? For everything, or just the occasional cherry-picked item? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:48:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Keep an eye on eBay. We sell it to a recycler who probably then sells > it there. You see lots of old corporate machines on there. Time was I > could haul stuff home from work pretty easily.

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Keep an eye on eBay. We sell it to a recycler who probably then sells it there. You see lots of old corporate machines on there. Time was I could haul stuff home from work pretty easily. They've really cracked down on that which is weird, we get very little for stuff from the recyclers, it'd be

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Jim, Your note about wear leveling and full drives helped me to realize a point. I've noted that SSDs suffer worse than spinning disks for slowing down when they get really full. Somebody had told me that it was due to wear leveling, now I better understand, thanks for that. We sell an SSD

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ekly drive images. My backups are all automated so > it's > > > fairly painless. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Jim > > > Cathey > > > > via Me

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Don't send it out to scrap!! On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > XW8600 is so 2010. ;)I've got one too and it's been great. The Z8 is out > now so the old xw series is relegated to the dustbin. I've got one in the > classroom due for the

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> > SSD's are _usually_ faster, and don't have mechanical wear mechanisms. > But ... I scraped up an analysis of flash memory that I had written awhile ago, sanitized it, and put it on my web site. Feel free to point out where I am wrong! (If you can... :-)

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t; > > via Mercedes > > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:03 AM > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks > > > > &

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XW8600 is so 2010. ;)I've got one too and it's been great. The Z8 is out now so the old xw series is relegated to the dustbin. I've got one in the classroom due for the scrap pile as soon as I reinstall Windows on a Z820 to replace it. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Apr 11,

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ent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:03 AM > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks > > > > > > > > > > > I have read

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; > > -Original Message- > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Cathey > > via Mercedes > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:03 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Cc: Jim Cathey

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<jim.cathey...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks > > > > > I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot > > faster to boot (pun attempt). > > > Completely false on both counts, depending on circumstances and subtracting >

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> > I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot faster to > boot (pun attempt). Completely false on both counts, depending on circumstances and subtracting the pun. SSD's are _usually_ faster, and don't have mechanical wear mechanisms. But there are also two basic facts of

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age- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK > Don via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:42 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: OK Don <okd...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks >

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il.com> > Subject: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks > > My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are almost > full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box. > > I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western Digital. > What

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On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:33:28 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > gpartd works great! > > fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > gparted to handle partition work. Clonezilla for cloning stuff. > > Can be gotten in it's own ISO image, or get almost any > >

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gpartd works great! fmiser via Mercedes wrote: gparted to handle partition work. Clonezilla for cloning stuff. Can be gotten in it's own ISO image, or get almost any service/repair live CD (SystemRescue, GMRL) will have both. _ ___

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> OK wrote: > A clone would get the MBR, but how that works > with a disk of a different size I don't know. You used to have > to purchase software to do this stuff decently, is there > freeware that works now? gparted to handle partition work. Clonezilla for cloning stuff. Can be gotten in

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> OK wrote: > but am also thinking of one of those HP workstations Curt was > recommending a few years ago. I got a HP xw8600. I _like_ it! I do have it doing server like duties, with multiple remote sessions. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:19:48 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > If you’re buying a single drive, splurge and buy an enterprise grade > drive. Well worth the extra bucks. > > -D former data center guy The WD Gold I bought is an enterprise/data center grade drive. Craig

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On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:04:34 -0600 Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:59:08 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I haven't had to do this kind of stuff in many years, but last I > > remember, copying a disk does not get the MBR,

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On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:59:08 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > I haven't had to do this kind of stuff in many years, but last I > remember, copying a disk does not get the MBR, just the files and > directories. A clone would get the MBR, but how that works with a disk >

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I've got 2 of those USB 2.0 & 3.0 they both work like a champ. No complaints, in fact I have a 1 TB hdd hooked to the 2.0 ver and use it as an external hard drive. Bought both from NewEgg 29.99 for the 2.0 got the 3.0 for 19.99 on sale about a year later. Russ W On Wed,4/11/18 16:28, OK Don via

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I have had good luck with hitachi. Other than some that were bad out of the box, I don't recall any (of hundreds) failing. The bad ones were replaced with refurbs, and no problem ever with the refurbs. WD, and seagate, have failed. I think it was some seagate I bought in 2000 that i

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3 year would be reasonable. Suggest to them that you can have the drive shredded and send them the shreds if they like... -Curt On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 7:11:32 PM EDT, Mitch Haley wrote: I didn't respond after they sent me the RMA info. Maybe I

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I didn't respond after they sent me the RMA info. Maybe I should have? I bought it around Black Friday in 2015, I wonder if that was a 3 year warranty? Mitch. > On April 11, 2018 at 5:35 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Did you mention that a return wasn't an

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Only 4 core per processor and short on RAM but not bad for the money. I'd double the RAM in it, Crucial has it for $100, you can probably get it cheaper elsewhere just make sure its fast enough... -Curt On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 5:42:06 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes

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Is this a good deal? https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z420-Workstation-Intel-Xeon- Quad-Core-3-6GHz-8GB-RAM-500GB-NVIDIA-Win-10-Pro/ 172119032781?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:28 PM, OK Don wrote: > I found this stand-alone

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Did you mention that a return wasn't an option? We get that a lot from big government customers... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to

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I found this stand-alone disk duplicator - last one I bought (for work) was over $300 . . . https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-Adapter-Duplicator-Function-Tool-Free/dp/B00LSU4SHW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=1523481537=1-1=2.5%22+SATA+III+to+3.5%22+SATA+II+adapter On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:27 PM,

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That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to destroy another one - ought to be fun! On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it for > a refurbished one. > I

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Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: OK Don Subject: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box. I'm seeing 4TB

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I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it for a refurbished one. I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'. I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the only possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire. Mitch. >

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Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I knew. Was it covered under warranty? It looks like there is yet another form factor in the wild: SAMSUNG 860 EVO Series M.2 2280 1TB SATA III 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

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> On April 11, 2018 at 4:45 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot faster to > boot (pun attempt). I bought a Sandisk Ultra II two years ago, wanting reliability more than speed. Installed it in

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I haven't had to do this kind of stuff in many years, but last I remember, copying a disk does not get the MBR, just the files and directories. A clone would get the MBR, but how that works with a disk of a different size I don't know. You used to have to purchase software to do this stuff

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HDHomerun DVR software in its spare time. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: OK Don Subject: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks My boot disk

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If you’re buying a single drive, splurge and buy an enterprise grade drive. Well worth the extra bucks. -D former data center guy > On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:31:23 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes >

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On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:31:23 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > Should be able to. Or create the partition you want, then transfer the > files over... Copying the disk will get the Master Boot Record as well as the files ... Craig > Craig via Mercedes wrote:

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I have recently bought a couple from Newegg I think, I want to say HGTV brand (!) but that's not right, but it is something like that.  They got pretty good reviews for whatever that is worth. They were a bit more expensive than the Seagate and WDs which got poor reviews.  I'm not sure any of

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Should be able to. Or create the partition you want, then transfer the files over... Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:18:20 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are almost full. This is

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On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:18:20 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are > almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box. > > I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western

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My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box. I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western Digital. What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive reliability/life? I only have two