Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunil?
Maontin man writes: Rick wrote: No computer? No internet service? No mobile phone, which is what most fookbace users have, i think? mao While I do use an Internet enabled phone to peruse Facebook, my laptop is easier to read and does a much better job, in general. You will like Alex's Mercedes Veterans group. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
I was amazed at the stud welders, or whatever they call them, where they weld a stud or post onto the panel to pull it out. Interesting. Metalwork and bodywork are art forms to me. They seem to not only require physical skills, but the ability to understand where something is going and how to get there based on the tools or materials available. Sort of like drywall finishing…. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Have never welded but want to, but watching all those car shows suggests that the tack-welding-sheet-metal technique is the way to do it as the heat will warp the metal if you try to do continuous. Solution: Watch more cableTV car shows! --R On 6/14/15 4:19 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: The solution to that was to not try to make a bead, but to just put a bunch or tacks all over the piece and then go back and put some more next to the last ones. Refer to cleaning the old slag above, and my attempts were more successful. That took a long time to figure out. It also stopped the blow outs, warpage and other troubles that build up of excess heat was causing. Go slowly with lots of stitches from quick little spots of heat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
Unfortunately I have become a master drywaller. I hate it too. --R On 6/15/15 9:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I was amazed at the stud welders, or whatever they call them, where they weld a stud or post onto the panel to pull it out. Interesting. Metalwork and bodywork are art forms to me. They seem to not only require physical skills, but the ability to understand where something is going and how to get there based on the tools or materials available. Sort of like drywall finishing…. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Have never welded but want to, but watching all those car shows suggests that the tack-welding-sheet-metal technique is the way to do it as the heat will warp the metal if you try to do continuous. Solution: Watch more cableTV car shows! --R On 6/14/15 4:19 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: The solution to that was to not try to make a bead, but to just put a bunch or tacks all over the piece and then go back and put some more next to the last ones. Refer to cleaning the old slag above, and my attempts were more successful. That took a long time to figure out. It also stopped the blow outs, warpage and other troubles that build up of excess heat was causing. Go slowly with lots of stitches from quick little spots of heat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question
Interesting that you mention that. Someone was telling me that business must be good as far as construction, as they don’t see any day workers at Home Depot any more when they go there early in the morning. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Make sure La Migra isn't around while the trabajadores are around --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test! BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now. --R On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol tests BEFORE voting. All in favor so signify by saying AYE Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown.. Classic.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question
Make sure La Migra isn't around while the trabajadores are around --R On 6/14/15 5:04 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: Make sure he has the rebar off the ground before pouring, and check that he has the cement to sand ratio correct... -MMM- On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I”ve got a well known and respected concrete contractor coming to the house on Tuesday afternoon to give me an estimate on adding an additional pad or extension to the side of my existing concrete driveway. While it should be fairly simple, and I know there’s not a lot of majik to pouring concrete, I thought I would ask here if anyone has experience with such things, and if so, anything I should ask or be wary of? It’s a rectangular area of about 10’ x 22’ with a sidewalk near one end. It essentially adds a parking space to the left side of the existing driveway on a flat area that is currently covered with grass. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
Have never welded but want to, but watching all those car shows suggests that the tack-welding-sheet-metal technique is the way to do it as the heat will warp the metal if you try to do continuous. Solution: Watch more cableTV car shows! --R On 6/14/15 4:19 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: The solution to that was to not try to make a bead, but to just put a bunch or tacks all over the piece and then go back and put some more next to the last ones. Refer to cleaning the old slag above, and my attempts were more successful. That took a long time to figure out. It also stopped the blow outs, warpage and other troubles that build up of excess heat was causing. Go slowly with lots of stitches from quick little spots of heat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Actually, he was pre-embalmed, wasn't he? The family probably shoulda gotten a discount on the embalming fluid. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] American policy Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test! BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now. --R On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol tests BEFORE voting. All in favor so signify by saying AYE Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown.. Classic.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel injector pop tester
Not mine, etc. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: Diesel injector pop tester Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:53:02 + fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: Diesel injector pop tester http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/tls/5073575569.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ shirts, was: hey WILTON
How about a shirt that says I did'nt make it to the ChowdaQ? or, I couldn't make it to the QhowdaQ. RB On 13/06/2015 3:57 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: We can see what Curt says when he wakes up in the phillipines as that is his dept. Personally I would hope we could figure out a way to take orders. One idea i have for next year is to tske some nice photos of the star lineup at the Q put it on next year's shirt.. On Jun 13, 2015 4:49 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd like to buy one if you all decide that those unable to attend can have a shirt. I'll be in Saratoga Springs next weekthat's too early. Bob R On Jun 13, 2015 5:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha! I'll ask... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ shirts, was: hey WILTON
Or My other car is a clam boat On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How about a shirt that says I did'nt make it to the ChowdaQ? or, I couldn't make it to the QhowdaQ. RB On 13/06/2015 3:57 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: We can see what Curt says when he wakes up in the phillipines as that is his dept. Personally I would hope we could figure out a way to take orders. One idea i have for next year is to tske some nice photos of the star lineup at the Q put it on next year's shirt.. On Jun 13, 2015 4:49 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd like to buy one if you all decide that those unable to attend can have a shirt. I'll be in Saratoga Springs next weekthat's too early. Bob R On Jun 13, 2015 5:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha! I'll ask... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
'Pretty good at it myself. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week Unfortunately I have become a master drywaller. I hate it too. --R On 6/15/15 9:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I was amazed at the stud welders, or whatever they call them, where they weld a stud or post onto the panel to pull it out. Interesting. Metalwork and bodywork are art forms to me. They seem to not only require physical skills, but the ability to understand where something is going and how to get there based on the tools or materials available. Sort of like drywall finishing…. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Have never welded but want to, but watching all those car shows suggests that the tack-welding-sheet-metal technique is the way to do it as the heat will warp the metal if you try to do continuous. Solution: Watch more cableTV car shows! --R On 6/14/15 4:19 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: The solution to that was to not try to make a bead, but to just put a bunch or tacks all over the piece and then go back and put some more next to the last ones. Refer to cleaning the old slag above, and my attempts were more successful. That took a long time to figure out. It also stopped the blow outs, warpage and other troubles that build up of excess heat was causing. Go slowly with lots of stitches from quick little spots of heat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - GLOSSARY
Yep. Yonder -- often preceded by up, down or over - not far thatta way, sometimes accompanied by nod or wave of hand. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - GLOSSARY Yonder -- some indeterminate location over yonder Where it at? Over yonder sometimes with a nod of the head in a general direction Plum wo out -- completely worn out wawmehn -- a watermelon all y'all -- evvabody --R On 6/13/15 11:04 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: More GLOSSARY By Wilton Strickland Wachamacallit, wachamadoodle -- whatever you may call it - a thing Warda, warder -- water Way up yonh -- a long way up there Well, I do declare. -- I'm amazed. Weuns -- we, us Wheelbar' -- wheelbarrow 'While ago -- a few minutes ago Whir -- where Whuppin'-- spanking Wid -- with Wide open -- full speed, as fast as it will go Wire grass -- wild Bermuda grass in the fields of d'backa, corn, cotton, etc. Whoa, Ho -- signal or command for mule to stop Who'da thunkit? -- Who would have thought Won't -- wasn't, weren't, will not Wore out -- badly worn Ya -- you Yabut -- yes, but Y'all, pl. all y'all -- you, Southern for youse guys (Y'all has always been plural for me; I've never used all y'all.) Y'all's, y'allses -- your, yours Yeah -- yes Yep -- yes Yestiddy -- yesterday Yon't da? -- Do you want to? You can't get blood out of a turnip. -- You can't take from me what I don't have (usually on the subject of money). You'da -- you would/should have You look like a gutted herring. -- You look really bad! You may want horns, but you'll die mull-headed. -- Your wants have no bearing whatever on the situation. Yourn -- your, yours Your goose is cooked. --You are really in trouble. Youse guys -- y'all, you (not native to the area; imported from up nawth and used by a native only in jest) Yowbut -- Yes, but Yungun -- child Zink -- sink Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT tin roof
Gerry is the *ne plus ultra* of t.i.c. interpreters. On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:39 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: You're not unless your fathers or mothers last name is one of the following. Strasfogel isn't on the list. Neither is Yutzy (big time Amish auctioneers near me) or Coblentz (contractors who built my dad's garage/workshop). Mitch. ___ When you try to pin down names to particular subcultures it's nearly impossible. Few people who didn't know would ever think Miller was Amish. Certainly Strasfogels ancestors could be Amish but the chances of Strasfogel himself being Amish are low based on what we know about him. I think Strasfogels statement was t.i.c., and mine was certainly t.i.c. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Caleb's New Truck
On 13/06/2015 8:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: This is perfect for snagging those $500 Mersaydees off of Craigslist: http://bringatrailer.com/2015/06/12/hauler-from-new-restored-1971-ford-f350-with-trans-am-history/ Dan ___ Only read it quickly but I do not see any reference to AC. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:24:27 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Pretty good at it myself. You got practice up in Greenland, didn't you, Wilton? Craig - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Unfortunately I have become a master drywaller. I hate it too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand
G Mann wrote: Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey.. He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom... Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic. His own ol man (criminal) probably would have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough. ... Story going around the hospitals and funeral homes had it that every time they tried to use embalming fluid he would raise up and shout: Bartender! Undertaker had to inject a case of scotch before they could close the lid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] rusty wagons 300td
and i have some rusty wagons 300td etc thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ shirts, was: hey WILTON
I am guessing Randy that all shirts will have to have the design. We will keep you posted. On Jun 15, 2015 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How about a shirt that says I did'nt make it to the ChowdaQ? or, I couldn't make it to the QhowdaQ. RB On 13/06/2015 3:57 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: We can see what Curt says when he wakes up in the phillipines as that is his dept. Personally I would hope we could figure out a way to take orders. One idea i have for next year is to tske some nice photos of the star lineup at the Q put it on next year's shirt.. On Jun 13, 2015 4:49 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd like to buy one if you all decide that those unable to attend can have a shirt. I'll be in Saratoga Springs next weekthat's too early. Bob R On Jun 13, 2015 5:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha! I'll ask... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
I have 4130 in sheets also - for making fittings, etc. I think the issue with welding high strength auto steel might be tempering, or the ruination of the same - - - On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Google doesn't seem to reveal much more than what I remembered which the advice to just don't do it. I did find some vauge references to carbon embrittlement. 4130 shows up mostly in tubing no? I'm wondering if the high strength is really high carbon and something about acetylene mixes with the carbon to do something funky. -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Back in the day, UVa had a real honor code that students and faculty took quite seriously. Ted K ran afoul of that standard (cheating) and let's just say he continued his legal education elsewhere. Much has changed since those days. For example, they have women students now, like Jackie of Rolling Stone fame. -Original Message- From: Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:21 AM Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test! BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
Washington Gas uses call centers based in Manila, or somewqhere in the Phillippines... The girls and guys spoke good English and were unflappable. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No old cars here, or at least not any in Makati City. This place is like Wall street strung across a city of 500,000 people. The area I'm in has a ton of call centers so theres a lot of people around at all hours of the night and many restaurants are 24 hours, we had lunch at 2am. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD Bring me one back from Flip. The rest of the world must be full of old 4 speeds. --R On 6/15/15 7:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I meant you'd want the 4spd, pedals and such from the 240D, the engine from your wagon and the good wagon for a body. Its 7:30am in Manila, I'm just about to go get breakfast and go to bed, if I don't make perfect sense you know why. Actually I might go hang out at the pool for a little while too, the housekeeping staff hates that I sleep all day and they can't make up the room. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD What about a 300D 4sp combo -- the NA 300TD is not the highest performing car, a 240 would be wayy less peppy, no? --R On 6/15/15 6:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: You'd do best to find a rusty 240D with a 4spd and combine the 2 wagons into one with a 4spd, that'd be pretty nifty. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R It only takes a weekend if you have all the parts. #1 son and I transplanted an OM616 auto into the 110 4 speed, and kept it a 4 speed, in place of the OM621 in a long weekend. That required fabrication and a lot of modifications. gofer it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Yeah, what's up with that - who let them in? On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Back in the day, UVa had a real honor code that students and faculty took quite seriously. Ted K ran afoul of that standard (cheating) and let's just say he continued his legal education elsewhere. Much has changed since those days. For example, they have women students now, like Jackie of Rolling Stone fame. -Original Message- From: Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:21 AM Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test! BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand
You mean breaks repared, right? On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We all know the history of the Kennedy's. No point in arguing about it one way or the other. Let us get back to old worn out Mercedes that need the holes welded shut or the brakes repaired. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ shirts, was: hey WILTON
How's about to punch line, Look what you did to my clam digger! rim shot Thank, I'm here all week. Be sure to try the veal Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Or My other car is a clam boat On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How about a shirt that says I did'nt make it to the ChowdaQ? or, I couldn't make it to the QhowdaQ. RB On 13/06/2015 3:57 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: We can see what Curt says when he wakes up in the phillipines as that is his dept. Personally I would hope we could figure out a way to take orders. One idea i have for next year is to tske some nice photos of the star lineup at the Q put it on next year's shirt.. On Jun 13, 2015 4:49 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd like to buy one if you all decide that those unable to attend can have a shirt. I'll be in Saratoga Springs next weekthat's too early. Bob R On Jun 13, 2015 5:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha! I'll ask... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunil?
Facebook is only as good or bad as you allow it be - it's all in the user, not the application. I just don't have time to add yet another source of social interaction/news reading. This list, two aircraft lists, and my kids keep me plenty busy. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Maontin man writes: Rick wrote: No computer? No internet service? No mobile phone, which is what most fookbace users have, i think? mao While I do use an Internet enabled phone to peruse Facebook, my laptop is easier to read and does a much better job, in general. You will like Alex's Mercedes Veterans group. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
I have personal observational experience with Teddy and his scotch consumption. Truly epic capacity, and a sloppy disgusting drunk too. I had friends who thought he was the second coming because he delivered the free sh*t to MA. Character and such apparently did not matter to them because he had the proper ideology. They would just blank it out and ignore it. I never understood that (and still don't). I saw Joan a few times at Symphony in Boston, I guess this was at times she was trying to dry out (or she could hold it well and remain functional), I think she was never successful in that endeavor. She was a quite attractive woman and I always thought she was probably driven to drink by being married into that disgusting family, or maybe she was disposed to it as well and was a good match for Teddy back whenever he was cheating at Hahvahd. --R On 6/15/15 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey.. He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom... On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test! BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now. --R On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol tests BEFORE voting. All in favor so signify by saying AYE Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown.. Classic.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
But then you'd still have a poky wagon. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Some of you are PATHETIC. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey.. He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom... On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test! BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now. --R On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol tests BEFORE voting. All in favor so signify by saying AYE Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown.. Classic.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Teddy was pathetic. Murderer, drunk, cheater, misogynist the list goes own and own. --R On 6/15/15 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Some of you are PATHETIC. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey.. He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom... On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test! BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now. --R On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol tests BEFORE voting. All in favor so signify by saying AYE Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown.. Classic.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
Stately. Adequate. Genteel. --R On 6/15/15 2:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: But then you'd still have a poky wagon. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] cheap TD
I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey.. He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom... On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ted Kennedy (D-UI) would pass that test! BTW Teddy has been sober for 6 years or so now. --R On 6/15/15 12:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I make the motion that all Congress should have to pass drug and alcohol tests BEFORE voting. All in favor so signify by saying AYE Apparently, having an IQ greater than your shoe size is not a requirement for being elected to Congress.. as wittnessed by the link shown.. Classic.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunil?
What OK Don said. I don’t socialize on Facebook, I check the Vet’s site one a day and occasionally look at the “general” part every week. I originally signed up for two reasons: First, to keep track of my kids when they first started using it, and second, before we moved back to Florida it was a good way to touch base with our former friends and neighbors as we transitioned back to the area. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 1:28 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Facebook is only as good or bad as you allow it be - it's all in the user, not the application. I just don't have time to add yet another source of social interaction/news reading. This list, two aircraft lists, and my kids keep me plenty busy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ shirts, was: hey WILTON
Someone with advanced welding skills (Dimitri?) should work on fashioning custom jewelry from spent diesel injectors or glow plugs collected at the Chowda Q. You and sell them to raise funds for a worthy charity. I envisage a peaceful counterpoint to those necklaces made from bullets and/or shell casings. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How's about to punch line, Look what you did to my clam digger! rim shot Thank, I'm here all week. Be sure to try the veal Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Or My other car is a clam boat On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How about a shirt that says I did'nt make it to the ChowdaQ? or, I couldn't make it to the QhowdaQ. RB On 13/06/2015 3:57 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: We can see what Curt says when he wakes up in the phillipines as that is his dept. Personally I would hope we could figure out a way to take orders. One idea i have for next year is to tske some nice photos of the star lineup at the Q put it on next year's shirt.. On Jun 13, 2015 4:49 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd like to buy one if you all decide that those unable to attend can have a shirt. I'll be in Saratoga Springs next weekthat's too early. Bob R On Jun 13, 2015 5:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha! I'll ask... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Some of you are PATHETIC. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey.. He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom... Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic. His own ol man (criminal) probably would have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R It only takes a weekend if you have all the parts. #1 son and I transplanted an OM616 auto into the 110 4 speed, and kept it a 4 speed, in place of the OM621 in a long weekend. That required fabrication and a lot of modifications. gofer it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
You need to sell your poky wagon and buy a rusty turbo wagon and swap out the good engine (or drive train) into the rust free chassis with the fried engine. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R It only takes a weekend if you have all the parts. #1 son and I transplanted an OM616 auto into the 110 4 speed, and kept it a 4 speed, in place of the OM621 in a long weekend. That required fabrication and a lot of modifications. gofer it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Teddy was pathetic. Murderer, drunk, cheater, misogynist the list goes on and on. --R Anyone who still worships this drunk slob, dead teddy, is pathetic. Senator or no, he was a criminal from a criminal family. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
On June 15, 2015 at 4:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why are you so fixated on him? Kennedy hatred? Naw, he just doesn't like crooks. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
Why are you so fixated on him? Kennedy hatred? On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Teddy was pathetic. Murderer, drunk, cheater, misogynist the list goes on and on. --R Anyone who still worships this drunk slob, dead teddy, is pathetic. Senator or no, he was a criminal from a criminal family. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
Anybody hoping to learn anything about welding should probably post over on welding Web for some sound advice. I applaud you for diving in though. Starting on thin material is always going to be a tall order, no matter the process. It would probably be just as easy to gas weld that stuff with an oxy acetylene torch. That's how we did all the floor pans (and all the other body work) on the 55 chevy convertible when I was a kid. It seems like it was a lot easier to learn than this Flux wire junk. If you are only doing one car, I cant imagine you need a wire feed welder, no matter how cheap. And a torch can be used to cut and heat also. Where are the pics of this project? Karl On Jun 15, 2015 7:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Pretty good at it myself. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week Unfortunately I have become a master drywaller. I hate it too. --R On 6/15/15 9:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I was amazed at the stud welders, or whatever they call them, where they weld a stud or post onto the panel to pull it out. Interesting. Metalwork and bodywork are art forms to me. They seem to not only require physical skills, but the ability to understand where something is going and how to get there based on the tools or materials available. Sort of like drywall finishing…. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Have never welded but want to, but watching all those car shows suggests that the tack-welding-sheet-metal technique is the way to do it as the heat will warp the metal if you try to do continuous. Solution: Watch more cableTV car shows! --R On 6/14/15 4:19 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: The solution to that was to not try to make a bead, but to just put a bunch or tacks all over the piece and then go back and put some more next to the last ones. Refer to cleaning the old slag above, and my attempts were more successful. That took a long time to figure out. It also stopped the blow outs, warpage and other troubles that build up of excess heat was causing. Go slowly with lots of stitches from quick little spots of heat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If taking cheap shots at a US Senator who has been deceased for 6 years makes you feel better about yourself, then you ARE pathetic.. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Some of you are PATHETIC. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey.. He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom... Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic. His own ol man (criminal) probably would have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some, but I was already proficient at it; 'taught several of the Danes there to do it. Got even more proficient here restoring/renovating coupla National Register of Historic Places properties, the house I'm living in and some others that I flipped. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:24:27 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Pretty good at it myself. You got practice up in Greenland, didn't you, Wilton? Craig - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Unfortunately I have become a master drywaller. I hate it too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
The machine is made to handle only 0.030 and 0.035 flux. The feed wheels flip over to accept one or the other. Crank down barely grasps the 0.030 enough to feed at lowest speeds. I am thinking your advice to hammer the hot puddle may require a third and forth hand. I should be able to find something like that clay On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:54 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Question I failed to ask: What diameter wire are you using? .020, .030 or .035 ? To use the .020 wire, you will need to change the wheel gap adjustment to fit the smaller wire AND change the wire guide in the business end of the torch to fit the smaller wire. Smaller wire will give you a hotter, smaller weld puddle, so you will need to change your speed of torch movement to adapt. However, with smaller wire, you should get a weld puddle that is more correct size for thinner sheet metal. If you have an amperage adjustment, crank it down for the smaller wire. Again, do spot welds, Hammer and dolly the welds while still red, which will flatten the weld joint and make better contact, thus better welds.. Your tack weld should be 1/8 to 1/4 inch long, so as you work the panel into position [tack on one side.. hammer/dolly to flatten tack the other side .. hammer/dolly to flatten.. As you work around the repair.. soon you have the patch contained with the weld joint overlap nice and flat from hammer / dolly and on the second pass.. instead of tack welds 4 inches apart.. go in between the 4 inch tacks.. same routine.. so on second pass you have a tack ever 2 inches.. repeat as necessary.. Soon you have a good repair. On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:26 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I actually read the destructions that came with the zapper. I followed the set up to the letter and even made sure the wheels were in the proper orientation for the wire I was using. There are no teeth to the wheels that would provide decent bite. Just some knurling like you would find on a dime in the grooves. I have the tension adjusted almost to the point of strangling the wire. It does not speed up or make the wire feed properly. I am thinking the low speed setting is actually in Dummy mode. Since there is no adjustment for heat, just speed, it could be a failsafe. The lowest speeds must be regulated in such a manner that using it on thin sheet metal would not allow it to function long enough to burn through. Maybe it is set to feed tacks so you do not overheat and warp. Sort of forcing you to start and stop against your will. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Just had a flash on something our new welder said in an earlier post about the wire not feeding consistantly.. I've never been into the bowels of a Harbor Fright unit.. but there should be a tension adjustment on the wire feed motor. [everyone I've used to date did have one.] If that tension is loose, the wire will not feed exactly according to the magic number on the dial... Check that, why don't you.. And.. get a small roll of flux wire, not made in china. On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wasn't it Will Rodgers that said some people have to pee on the electric fence for themselves? Sounds like Clay has started peeing. When he runs out of the rotten HF wire that EVERYBODY says sucks and gets some better stuff maybe he'll believe the rest of the world on that too. -Curt From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week Wire feed welders are nicknamed glue guns. Clearly, HF does not make one such. Using the Miller on clean, reasonably thick sheet metal, and I understand the nickname. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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Yes, actually. The whole crowd pretty much were sociopaths and in Teddy's case he murdered a girl, who was likely pregnant, and never owned up to it like a real man. And I have personally observed his disgusting drunk behavior to women as a US Senator. No class, no honor, no integrity. He believed he was above the law, laws did not apply to him, and he had some sort of privilege that mere mortals would never approach -- plenty of stories around about his boorish behavior (waitress sandwich?, sailboat mishaps while drunk, CG bailing him out, discharging the head tank in Nantucket Harbor, etc.). His idiot nephew Joe Jr. was an obnoxious stupid fool as well, as I personally witnessed when he was with Teddy. The others have demonstrated stupidity, hubris, criminal behavior (rape), drug/drunk driving, in their lives and deaths. His brother John was an adulterer to his wife and children (who grew up stupid too), and a bunch of the idiot spawn have done the same. The father had his daughter (sister to Teddy/John?Robert) lobotomized without even telling the wife/mother because she was a bit troublesome. They were good checkbook Catholics who made a mockery of the Church and people who have that strong faith. So yeah, I hate them and all they have stood for. It's amazing how some particular individuals who have a particular ideological purity get a pass on their otherwise disgusting pathetic existences. If it wasn't for daddy's ill-gotten gains, the whole crowd would have been nothing. Having lived in MA for 22 years and seen the behavior and him directly, I do have a fixation. --R On 6/15/15 4:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Why are you so fixated on him? Kennedy hatred? On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Teddy was pathetic. Murderer, drunk, cheater, misogynist the list goes on and on. --R Anyone who still worships this drunk slob, dead teddy, is pathetic. Senator or no, he was a criminal from a criminal family. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like typical, run-of-the-mill politician to me . . . Oklahoma is filled with them. Once elected, the law no longer applies. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, actually. The whole crowd pretty much were sociopaths and in Teddy's case he murdered a girl, who was likely pregnant, and never owned up to it like a real man. And I have personally observed his disgusting drunk behavior to women as a US Senator. No class, no honor, no integrity. He believed he was above the law, laws did not apply to him, and he had some sort of privilege that mere mortals would never approach -- plenty of stories around about his boorish behavior (waitress sandwich?, sailboat mishaps while drunk, CG bailing him out, discharging the head tank in Nantucket Harbor, etc.). His idiot nephew Joe Jr. was an obnoxious stupid fool as well, as I personally witnessed when he was with Teddy. The others have demonstrated stupidity, hubris, criminal behavior (rape), drug/drunk driving, in their lives and deaths. His brother John was an adulterer to his wife and children (who grew up stupid too), and a bunch of the idiot spawn have done the same. The father had his daughter (sister to Teddy/John?Robert) lobotomized without even telling the wife/mother because she was a bit troublesome. They were good checkbook Catholics who made a mockery of the Church and people who have that strong faith. So yeah, I hate them and all they have stood for. It's amazing how some particular individuals who have a particular ideological purity get a pass on their otherwise disgusting pathetic existences. If it wasn't for daddy's ill-gotten gains, the whole crowd would have been nothing. Having lived in MA for 22 years and seen the behavior and him directly, I do have a fixation. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
You can't (or supposedly can't, I've never tried) gas weld high strength steel from about 1980 on. You could braze it I suppose. Honestly Karl its all about Clay starting with a junk welder and not listening to any of the advice he's been given, he's making this as hard for himself as possible. I've got a Lincoln Handy Mig and it can stick good clean 18ga metal together all day without blowing through. Try sticking it to the dubious crap that makes up an old car and things get interesting. The trick there is to cut back far enough to find really solid metal. Sometimes thats hard... -Curt From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz com mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Karl Wittnebel atypical...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week Anybody hoping to learn anything about welding should probably post over on welding Web for some sound advice. I applaud you for diving in though. Starting on thin material is always going to be a tall order, no matter the process. It would probably be just as easy to gas weld that stuff with an oxy acetylene torch. That's how we did all the floor pans (and all the other body work) on the 55 chevy convertible when I was a kid. It seems like it was a lot easier to learn than this Flux wire junk. If you are only doing one car, I cant imagine you need a wire feed welder, no matter how cheap. And a torch can be used to cut and heat also. Where are the pics of this project? Karl On Jun 15, 2015 7:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Pretty good at it myself. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week Unfortunately I have become a master drywaller. I hate it too. --R On 6/15/15 9:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I was amazed at the stud welders, or whatever they call them, where they weld a stud or post onto the panel to pull it out. Interesting. Metalwork and bodywork are art forms to me. They seem to not only require physical skills, but the ability to understand where something is going and how to get there based on the tools or materials available. Sort of like drywall finishing…. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Have never welded but want to, but watching all those car shows suggests that the tack-welding-sheet-metal technique is the way to do it as the heat will warp the metal if you try to do continuous. Solution: Watch more cableTV car shows! --R On 6/14/15 4:19 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: The solution to that was to not try to make a bead, but to just put a bunch or tacks all over the piece and then go back and put some more next to the last ones. Refer to cleaning the old slag above, and my attempts were more successful. That took a long time to figure out. It also stopped the blow outs, warpage and other troubles that build up of excess heat was causing. Go slowly with lots of stitches from quick little spots of heat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
Not headed to do the project just yet. I will make a few pix for fun. AS for welding torches and such. I kind of felt it would be less controllable and flammable than poking arcs and wire. I am not that good with flames, and the arc would be a bit more surgical. Going in, I was not aware that sheet metal was such a complex process. The gobs of epoxy and fiberglass were not going to do the job, as they were delaminating and the rust was not dealt with on the underside. May as well put metal back for a solid repair. On Jun 15, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: Anybody hoping to learn anything about welding should probably post over on welding Web for some sound advice. I applaud you for diving in though. Starting on thin material is always going to be a tall order, no matter the process. It would probably be just as easy to gas weld that stuff with an oxy acetylene torch. That's how we did all the floor pans (and all the other body work) on the 55 chevy convertible when I was a kid. It seems like it was a lot easier to learn than this Flux wire junk. If you are only doing one car, I cant imagine you need a wire feed welder, no matter how cheap. And a torch can be used to cut and heat also. Where are the pics of this project? Karl On Jun 15, 2015 7:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Pretty good at it myself. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week Unfortunately I have become a master drywaller. I hate it too. --R On 6/15/15 9:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I was amazed at the stud welders, or whatever they call them, where they weld a stud or post onto the panel to pull it out. Interesting. Metalwork and bodywork are art forms to me. They seem to not only require physical skills, but the ability to understand where something is going and how to get there based on the tools or materials available. Sort of like drywall finishing…. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Have never welded but want to, but watching all those car shows suggests that the tack-welding-sheet-metal technique is the way to do it as the heat will warp the metal if you try to do continuous. Solution: Watch more cableTV car shows! --R On 6/14/15 4:19 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: The solution to that was to not try to make a bead, but to just put a bunch or tacks all over the piece and then go back and put some more next to the last ones. Refer to cleaning the old slag above, and my attempts were more successful. That took a long time to figure out. It also stopped the blow outs, warpage and other troubles that build up of excess heat was causing. Go slowly with lots of stitches from quick little spots of heat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand
On 15/06/2015 2:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: If taking cheap shots at a US Senator who has been deceased for 6 years makes you feel better about yourself, then you ARE pathetic.. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Some of you are PATHETIC. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey.. He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom... Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic. His own ol man (criminal) probably would have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand
Amen brother. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think it’s run it’s course. Andrew is incensed that someone would besmirch the Kennedys, and others are pointing out the obvious and very well known Achilles’ heel of Ted (alcoholism) and the family as a whole. One has to admit that the whole family is a bit of a train wreck, no matter what your position. Makes them an easy target, unfortunately. Not a whole lot different from other despotic families of politics and industry, like the Busch of Budweiser fame. I don’t think I need to intervene at this point. Seems like everyone’s had their say and have retreated to their respective corners for now. Play nice, guys. I don’t want to have to pull this list over. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand
We all know the history of the Kennedy's. No point in arguing about it one way or the other. Let us get back to old worn out Mercedes that need the holes welded shut or the brakes repaired. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
Just get some new wire and start doing spot welds and don't try to run long beads. My younger son did a whole lot of that on the old 4Runner that we had and did a pretty decent job rebuilding the metal over the rear wheel arches and the rear quarter from the arch to the back of the panel. He just tacked and then tacked between until he had it filled in. Used a flap disk in a grinder to flatten the welds and it all looked pretty good when he was done. It was fall and too cold to paint so he sprayed it with rattle can rock guard and let it go but if he had been able to smooth a bit of filler over it, it would have fooled most folks into thinking it was original. He had little or no experience welding. The welder is a Lincoln Migpac 180 with gas. I had a more basic 120V unit first and had very little luck with it. It had the gas setup too but like yours, little control of heat or wire speed. I gave it to my b-in-l and bought this one on a good sale. Kept the argon tank and made my b-in-l get his own tank. RB On 15/06/2015 4:10 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: Not headed to do the project just yet. I will make a few pix for fun. AS for welding torches and such. I kind of felt it would be less controllable and flammable than poking arcs and wire. I am not that good with flames, and the arc would be a bit more surgical. Going in, I was not aware that sheet metal was such a complex process. The gobs of epoxy and fiberglass were not going to do the job, as they were delaminating and the rust was not dealt with on the underside. May as well put metal back for a solid repair. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand
I totally agree. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 15/06/2015 2:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: If taking cheap shots at a US Senator who has been deceased for 6 years makes you feel better about yourself, then you ARE pathetic.. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Some of you are PATHETIC. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rumor has it that Ted was touring a whisky distillery and nearly drowned when he slipped and fell into a 10,000 gallon vat of whiskey.. He would have.. but he got out twice to go to bathroom... Fat teddy kennedy was pathetic. His own ol man (criminal) probably would have had 'im rubbed out if the man had lived long enough. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy HEY DAN - this is getting out of hand
I think it’s run it’s course. Andrew is incensed that someone would besmirch the Kennedys, and others are pointing out the obvious and very well known Achilles’ heel of Ted (alcoholism) and the family as a whole. One has to admit that the whole family is a bit of a train wreck, no matter what your position. Makes them an easy target, unfortunately. Not a whole lot different from other despotic families of politics and industry, like the Busch of Budweiser fame. I don’t think I need to intervene at this point. Seems like everyone’s had their say and have retreated to their respective corners for now. Play nice, guys. I don’t want to have to pull this list over. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American policy
http://www.hangoutstorage.com/banjohangout.org/storage/audio/28/the-chappa-28089-3257192442008.mp3 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On June 15, 2015 at 4:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why are you so fixated on him? Kennedy hatred? Naw, he just doesn't like crooks. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
You'd do best to find a rusty 240D with a 4spd and combine the 2 wagons into one with a 4spd, that'd be pretty nifty. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R It only takes a weekend if you have all the parts. #1 son and I transplanted an OM616 auto into the 110 4 speed, and kept it a 4 speed, in place of the OM621 in a long weekend. That required fabrication and a lot of modifications. gofer it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
I wonder just what that high strength steel really is. I thought that chrome moly 4130 was high strength steel, and I weld it all the time (with gas). On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You can't (or supposedly can't, I've never tried) gas weld high strength steel from about 1980 on. You could braze it I suppose. Honestly Karl its all about Clay starting with a junk welder and not listening to any of the advice he's been given, he's making this as hard for himself as possible. I've got a Lincoln Handy Mig and it can stick good clean 18ga metal together all day without blowing through. Try sticking it to the dubious crap that makes up an old car and things get interesting. The trick there is to cut back far enough to find really solid metal. Sometimes thats hard... -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
What about a 300D 4sp combo -- the NA 300TD is not the highest performing car, a 240 would be wayy less peppy, no? --R On 6/15/15 6:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: You'd do best to find a rusty 240D with a 4spd and combine the 2 wagons into one with a 4spd, that'd be pretty nifty. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R It only takes a weekend if you have all the parts. #1 son and I transplanted an OM616 auto into the 110 4 speed, and kept it a 4 speed, in place of the OM621 in a long weekend. That required fabrication and a lot of modifications. gofer it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
I think that's what he meant - keep the 4 speed from the 240D to mate with the 617 engine of your choice. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about a 300D 4sp combo -- the NA 300TD is not the highest performing car, a 240 would be wayy less peppy, no? --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
I meant you'd want the 4spd, pedals and such from the 240D, the engine from your wagon and the good wagon for a body. Its 7:30am in Manila, I'm just about to go get breakfast and go to bed, if I don't make perfect sense you know why. Actually I might go hang out at the pool for a little while too, the housekeeping staff hates that I sleep all day and they can't make up the room. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD What about a 300D 4sp combo -- the NA 300TD is not the highest performing car, a 240 would be wayy less peppy, no? --R On 6/15/15 6:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: You'd do best to find a rusty 240D with a 4spd and combine the 2 wagons into one with a 4spd, that'd be pretty nifty. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R It only takes a weekend if you have all the parts. #1 son and I transplanted an OM616 auto into the 110 4 speed, and kept it a 4 speed, in place of the OM621 in a long weekend. That required fabrication and a lot of modifications. gofer it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
Google doesn't seem to reveal much more than what I remembered which the advice to just don't do it. I did find some vauge references to carbon embrittlement. 4130 shows up mostly in tubing no? I'm wondering if the high strength is really high carbon and something about acetylene mixes with the carbon to do something funky. -Curt From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week I wonder just what that high strength steel really is. I thought that chrome moly 4130 was high strength steel, and I weld it all the time (with gas). On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You can't (or supposedly can't, I've never tried) gas weld high strength steel from about 1980 on. You could braze it I suppose. Honestly Karl its all about Clay starting with a junk welder and not listening to any of the advice he's been given, he's making this as hard for himself as possible. I've got a Lincoln Handy Mig and it can stick good clean 18ga metal together all day without blowing through. Try sticking it to the dubious crap that makes up an old car and things get interesting. The trick there is to cut back far enough to find really solid metal. Sometimes thats hard... -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.” – Mark TwainThere are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.WILL ROGERS, The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers2013 F150, 18 mpg2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
Bring me one back from Flip. The rest of the world must be full of old 4 speeds. --R On 6/15/15 7:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I meant you'd want the 4spd, pedals and such from the 240D, the engine from your wagon and the good wagon for a body. Its 7:30am in Manila, I'm just about to go get breakfast and go to bed, if I don't make perfect sense you know why. Actually I might go hang out at the pool for a little while too, the housekeeping staff hates that I sleep all day and they can't make up the room. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD What about a 300D 4sp combo -- the NA 300TD is not the highest performing car, a 240 would be wayy less peppy, no? --R On 6/15/15 6:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: You'd do best to find a rusty 240D with a 4spd and combine the 2 wagons into one with a 4spd, that'd be pretty nifty. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R It only takes a weekend if you have all the parts. #1 son and I transplanted an OM616 auto into the 110 4 speed, and kept it a 4 speed, in place of the OM621 in a long weekend. That required fabrication and a lot of modifications. gofer it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap TD
No old cars here, or at least not any in Makati City. This place is like Wall street strung across a city of 500,000 people. The area I'm in has a ton of call centers so theres a lot of people around at all hours of the night and many restaurants are 24 hours, we had lunch at 2am. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD Bring me one back from Flip. The rest of the world must be full of old 4 speeds. --R On 6/15/15 7:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I meant you'd want the 4spd, pedals and such from the 240D, the engine from your wagon and the good wagon for a body. Its 7:30am in Manila, I'm just about to go get breakfast and go to bed, if I don't make perfect sense you know why. Actually I might go hang out at the pool for a little while too, the housekeeping staff hates that I sleep all day and they can't make up the room. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD What about a 300D 4sp combo -- the NA 300TD is not the highest performing car, a 240 would be wayy less peppy, no? --R On 6/15/15 6:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: You'd do best to find a rusty 240D with a 4spd and combine the 2 wagons into one with a 4spd, that'd be pretty nifty. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap TD I think this might be the car that belongs to a guy I ran into at a Lowes last winter who said he had one the engine had seized on. Said it was in decent shape other than that. Wonder if I should transplant my NA TD engine into it and have a nice wagon, scrap my old one, only be out a coupla hunnad? https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5073060106.html It's not like a need another project or car sitting around, but --R It only takes a weekend if you have all the parts. #1 son and I transplanted an OM616 auto into the 110 4 speed, and kept it a 4 speed, in place of the OM621 in a long weekend. That required fabrication and a lot of modifications. gofer it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wut I dun Lernt frum Wulding this week
The weld, hammer/dolly, weld technique is one that requires practice. Location of hammer / dolly is critical so you develop muscle memory as it becomes automatic.. also, Harbor Freight makes a dandy device that holds the welding torch. It is magnetic on one end, so it attaches it's self to nearby metal, and the part that holds the torch keeps it and it's hot end out of your way. It is just a piece of flat stock with a hole in it.. one side of the hole is cut to a slot.. you slip the torch in through the slot and release it and it hangs there ready to pick back up.. very clever and handy.. about $6 as I recall. Hammering the weld will also break up the slag, which sets you proper for next tack weld. It works particularly well if you use the punch hole / lap joint process I first described.. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:56 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The machine is made to handle only 0.030 and 0.035 flux. The feed wheels flip over to accept one or the other. Crank down barely grasps the 0.030 enough to feed at lowest speeds. I am thinking your advice to hammer the hot puddle may require a third and forth hand. I should be able to find something like that clay On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:54 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Question I failed to ask: What diameter wire are you using? .020, .030 or .035 ? To use the .020 wire, you will need to change the wheel gap adjustment to fit the smaller wire AND change the wire guide in the business end of the torch to fit the smaller wire. Smaller wire will give you a hotter, smaller weld puddle, so you will need to change your speed of torch movement to adapt. However, with smaller wire, you should get a weld puddle that is more correct size for thinner sheet metal. If you have an amperage adjustment, crank it down for the smaller wire. Again, do spot welds, Hammer and dolly the welds while still red, which will flatten the weld joint and make better contact, thus better welds.. Your tack weld should be 1/8 to 1/4 inch long, so as you work the panel into position [tack on one side.. hammer/dolly to flatten tack the other side .. hammer/dolly to flatten.. As you work around the repair.. soon you have the patch contained with the weld joint overlap nice and flat from hammer / dolly and on the second pass.. instead of tack welds 4 inches apart.. go in between the 4 inch tacks.. same routine.. so on second pass you have a tack ever 2 inches.. repeat as necessary.. Soon you have a good repair. On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:26 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I actually read the destructions that came with the zapper. I followed the set up to the letter and even made sure the wheels were in the proper orientation for the wire I was using. There are no teeth to the wheels that would provide decent bite. Just some knurling like you would find on a dime in the grooves. I have the tension adjusted almost to the point of strangling the wire. It does not speed up or make the wire feed properly. I am thinking the low speed setting is actually in Dummy mode. Since there is no adjustment for heat, just speed, it could be a failsafe. The lowest speeds must be regulated in such a manner that using it on thin sheet metal would not allow it to function long enough to burn through. Maybe it is set to feed tacks so you do not overheat and warp. Sort of forcing you to start and stop against your will. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Just had a flash on something our new welder said in an earlier post about the wire not feeding consistantly.. I've never been into the bowels of a Harbor Fright unit.. but there should be a tension adjustment on the wire feed motor. [everyone I've used to date did have one.] If that tension is loose, the wire will not feed exactly according to the magic number on the dial... Check that, why don't you.. And.. get a small roll of flux wire, not made in china. On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wasn't it Will Rodgers that said some people have to pee on the electric fence for themselves? Sounds like Clay has started peeing. When he runs out of the rotten HF wire that EVERYBODY says sucks and gets some better stuff maybe he'll believe the rest of the world on that too. -Curt From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:05 PM
Re: [MBZ] OT Anti-gun crowd kills another woman in NJ
I was sitting in the Farmers Market Restaurant having lunch one day during the 1950s not long after New York had banned guns. It was the slow summer season for northbound loads of citrus and other crops, and a trucker sitting behind me was complaining. I need enough money for fuel to get back to New York, he said. The trucker he was talking to said something like: You can make $50 taking a footlocker full of guns to New York. I can give you a number to call if you're interested. I got up and left about then but never forgot that little lesson in the way things really are when it comes to guns. Gerry LarryT wrote: It always makes me LOL when the anti-gunners say they don't want everyone to be able to get guns so all the people around her/him might have one. Then someone asks them What makes you think they don't have one already? It seems the snti-gun crowd believe a law will stop a criminal. Even with over 22,000 gun laws on the books, the criminals still get guns when they want one! They're called criminals for a reason. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. All those restrictive orders just seem to make the ex's angry! LarryT On 6/10/2015 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: How did violent Ex obtain a gun legally? On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: She was trying to follow the law, waiting for approval for her permit to own a gun (about 65 days it looks like) when her violent ex killed her. Ladies please don't let something so stupid happen to you. Restraining orders don't work, police can't protect you, you've got to take action and be prepared. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/10/no-one-helped-her-nj-woman-murdered-by-ex-while-waiting-for-gun-permit/ - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6030 / Virus Database: 4360/10015 - Release Date: 06/14/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 71 years and a day (and a week)
Thanks, Scott. BTW, John Gallagher, mentioned in my write-up, is the man in upper right of slide 71 with face covered by bandages and hair exposed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 71 years and a day (and a week) Wilton, Thanks for that first-hand account of D-day from ground level. All: Maybe folks have already seen this (and I should have posted it a week ago) but here is (IMO) a very interesting slide-show of D-day (and beyond) events: http://pt709.synology.me/NormandyLanding1.pps. Left click on the link should download the 6M pps file to your machine where you can play it. I think there is value in seeing the scope of this effort; I certainly don't have the words that would do it justice. Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Anti-gun crowd kills another woman in NJ
You wrote: the way things really are when it comes to guns. and laws... LarryT On 6/15/2015 2:21 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: I was sitting in the Farmers Market Restaurant having lunch one day during the 1950s not long after New York had banned guns. It was the slow summer season for northbound loads of citrus and other crops, and a trucker sitting behind me was complaining. I need enough money for fuel to get back to New York, he said. The trucker he was talking to said something like: You can make $50 taking a footlocker full of guns to New York. I can give you a number to call if you're interested. I got up and left about then but never forgot that little lesson in the way things really are when it comes to guns. Gerry LarryT wrote: It always makes me LOL when the anti-gunners say they don't want everyone to be able to get guns so all the people around her/him might have one. Then someone asks them What makes you think they don't have one already? It seems the snti-gun crowd believe a law will stop a criminal. Even with over 22,000 gun laws on the books, the criminals still get guns when they want one! They're called criminals for a reason. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. All those restrictive orders just seem to make the ex's angry! LarryT On 6/10/2015 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: How did violent Ex obtain a gun legally? On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: She was trying to follow the law, waiting for approval for her permit to own a gun (about 65 days it looks like) when her violent ex killed her. Ladies please don't let something so stupid happen to you. Restraining orders don't work, police can't protect you, you've got to take action and be prepared. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/10/no-one-helped-her-nj-woman-murdered-by-ex-while-waiting-for-gun-permit/ - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6030 / Virus Database: 4360/10015 - Release Date: 06/14/15 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wretched SEL
you wrote: I thought I was being good, throwing away old crap for a change! That is the surest way to guaranty you will need some minor part that would have been good and didn't need to be thrown away. It's like washing your car and guaranteeing it will rain shortly... I have 3 old wiring harness for my 66 MGB - it never fails that I'll need a piece of wire - and this way I am guaranteed to have the right color and end connectors. But I know exactly what you mean about giving in and throwing something away... LarryT On 6/11/2015 10:12 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Having finally had enough, I caved and took the car in for a professional diagnosis. The fuel system tested OK, and there _are_ vacuum leaks that will have to be dealt with. The most amusing result was that one of my _new_ Beru spark plug wires was open-circuit. (Though I believe it was a short gap that would fire anyway, a bit. The plug was not any different-looking than the rest.) I speculated, and cut open the plug end. The 1K resistor was open-circuit. I bridged it with a piece of iron wire, and taped it back together. What a rickety POS now. Still, the car was running better yesterday after this operation, more time will tell. No way it'll hold up very long. So, where do I get _one_ screw-on (machine screw threads, not wood screw) Beru spark plug connector? Or, barring that, _one_ new Beru spark plug wire? Really don't want to part with the cash to get another entire set. I have some old Bosch connectors, but they're all wood-screw. (Hmm, I wonder if the Beru has a machine-screw end that I can see, but that _that_ bit has a wood screw that screws into the wire itself? Still, it's working now. I'd hate to take it apart again and make it worse, just trying to find out that detail.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
