Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nearly all decent motherboards have RAID controller capabilities these days.  
Doesn’t mean you have to use them  Mine has two on board RAID controllers, both 
are disabled.

-D


> On Oct 10, 2018, at 12:15 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> OK - the FreeNAS site says ti avoid RAID controllers at all cost - they
> want to do it themselves. They go on about the "right" HBAs, NICs, etc. I
> think probably the one thing to pay attention to is Intel CPUs.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:55 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Just a generic PC I built out of parts. Basic i7 processor I had laying
>> around, although you could certainly use something less powerful.
>> Motherboard with a RAID controller, 12GB of RAM, four 2GB hard drives, two
>> 1GB hard drives and a 128GB SSD for a boot drive (again, major overkill but
>> I had it on the bench.) The hard drives came out of my “failed” Drobo and
>> have been working just fine. I think I’ve had one failure of a Toshiba
>> drive and it was still under warranty.
>> 
>> With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or
>> thereabouts.
>> 
>> Hot swappable drives, serious security and redundancy, based on a FreeBSD
>> kernel, this thing has been rock solid since I built it.
>> 
>> I’ve had media stuff on it, specifically Plex, but no one in the house
>> really seemed interested in using it, so I blew it away and recovered the
>> space for my Time Machine volume.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2018, at 10:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What hardware are you running it on?
>>> I mistakenly thought that new hardware meant to be  NAS would run a long
>>> time. In reading reviews, it w=seems that too e many are finding that the
>>> lower end Synology, QNAP, and WD NAS boxes are lasting just about three
>>> months!
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:26 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 FreeNAS, dude.  My Freenas server has been churning away for almost
>> three
 years without a hitch.
 
 Sorry to hear about the QNAP stuff.  My Mac buddies like them and
>> Synology.
 
 Again, I prefer to “roll my own” after getting burned by Drobo and
>> DLink.
 I’ve never looked back.
 
 -D
 
 
> On Oct 8, 2018, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >> 
 wrote:
> 
> The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just
 turn
> off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply
 brick
> still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The
>> first
> one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The
>> good
> news was that I just plugged the drives in, and all was good. The bad
 news
> is that it just died - three months after getting it. I'm NOT impressed
> with QNAP at this point. Don't know what I'll do next, but I'm looking
 into
> Synology - just don't want to spend a lot of money ( <$300 ).
> 
 
 
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>>> 
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>> of
>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>> who
>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>>> for themselves."
>>> 
>>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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> -- 
> OK Don
> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

OK - the FreeNAS site says ti avoid RAID controllers at all cost - they
want to do it themselves. They go on about the "right" HBAs, NICs, etc. I
think probably the one thing to pay attention to is Intel CPUs.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:55 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Just a generic PC I built out of parts. Basic i7 processor I had laying
> around, although you could certainly use something less powerful.
> Motherboard with a RAID controller, 12GB of RAM, four 2GB hard drives, two
> 1GB hard drives and a 128GB SSD for a boot drive (again, major overkill but
> I had it on the bench.) The hard drives came out of my “failed” Drobo and
> have been working just fine. I think I’ve had one failure of a Toshiba
> drive and it was still under warranty.
>
> With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or
> thereabouts.
>
> Hot swappable drives, serious security and redundancy, based on a FreeBSD
> kernel, this thing has been rock solid since I built it.
>
> I’ve had media stuff on it, specifically Plex, but no one in the house
> really seemed interested in using it, so I blew it away and recovered the
> space for my Time Machine volume.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 8, 2018, at 10:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > What hardware are you running it on?
> > I mistakenly thought that new hardware meant to be  NAS would run a long
> > time. In reading reviews, it w=seems that too e many are finding that the
> > lower end Synology, QNAP, and WD NAS boxes are lasting just about three
> > months!
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:26 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> FreeNAS, dude.  My Freenas server has been churning away for almost
> three
> >> years without a hitch.
> >>
> >> Sorry to hear about the QNAP stuff.  My Mac buddies like them and
> Synology.
> >>
> >> Again, I prefer to “roll my own” after getting burned by Drobo and
> DLink.
> >> I’ve never looked back.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 8, 2018, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just
> >> turn
> >>> off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply
> >> brick
> >>> still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The
> first
> >>> one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The
> good
> >>> news was that I just plugged the drives in, and all was good. The bad
> >> news
> >>> is that it just died - three months after getting it. I'm NOT impressed
> >>> with QNAP at this point. Don't know what I'll do next, but I'm looking
> >> into
> >>> Synology - just don't want to spend a lot of money ( <$300 ).
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:40:03 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I’m working from memory, it’s probably more.
> 
> -D


6 TB, maybe?


Craig


> > On Oct 9, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:54:49 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space
> >> or thereabouts.
> > 
> > 6 GB? Is that all?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Funny that you mention Freecycle, as that’s where I got the processor and 
memory.  I bought the motherboard and case.

Something I learned a long time ago - don’t buy cheap cases. I got tired of my 
hands ending up like hamburger meat after working with $40 cases. For maybe 
twice that you can get a case that’s far better and they even deburr all of the 
edges.

-D

> On Oct 9, 2018, at 3:35 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I am attempting an “in your face” to my youngest who wasted his summer wages 
> trying to build a gaming PC.   He was not static safe.
> 
> A person could source a PC carcass off CL for near no cash.  I tried the used 
> computer store, but they seem to put all the e-cycle stuff on a pallet and 
> ship it to china for tear down and gold recovery.  Second choice was going on 
> Freecyle and posting a need for out of date computers to be used as training 
> wheels for PC builds.  Tear down and rebuild ad infinitum until you feel 
> confident.
> 
> I picked up five boxes that could run Win7 or Vista.  Some have built in RAID 
> and Core iX or AMD AM3+ boards.  FOR FREE!!  Just put your disks in for 
> making that NAS
> 
> 
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 9, 2018, at 5:54 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a generic PC I built out of parts. Basic i7 processor I had laying 
>> around, although you could certainly use something less powerful. 
>> Motherboard with a RAID controller, 12GB of RAM, four 2GB hard drives, two 
>> 1GB hard drives and a 128GB SSD for a boot drive (again, major overkill but 
>> I had it on the bench.) The hard drives came out of my “failed” Drobo and 
>> have been working just fine. I think I’ve had one failure of a Toshiba drive 
>> and it was still under warranty.
>> 
>> With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or 
>> thereabouts.
>> 
>> Hot swappable drives, serious security and redundancy, based on a FreeBSD 
>> kernel, this thing has been rock solid since I built it.
>> 
>> I’ve had media stuff on it, specifically Plex, but no one in the house 
>> really seemed interested in using it, so I blew it away and recovered the 
>> space for my Time Machine volume.
>> 
>> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I am attempting an “in your face” to my youngest who wasted his summer wages 
trying to build a gaming PC.   He was not static safe.

A person could source a PC carcass off CL for near no cash.  I tried the used 
computer store, but they seem to put all the e-cycle stuff on a pallet and ship 
it to china for tear down and gold recovery.  Second choice was going on 
Freecyle and posting a need for out of date computers to be used as training 
wheels for PC builds.  Tear down and rebuild ad infinitum until you feel 
confident.

I picked up five boxes that could run Win7 or Vista.  Some have built in RAID 
and Core iX or AMD AM3+ boards.  FOR FREE!!  Just put your disks in for making 
that NAS



clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Oct 9, 2018, at 5:54 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Just a generic PC I built out of parts. Basic i7 processor I had laying 
> around, although you could certainly use something less powerful. Motherboard 
> with a RAID controller, 12GB of RAM, four 2GB hard drives, two 1GB hard 
> drives and a 128GB SSD for a boot drive (again, major overkill but I had it 
> on the bench.) The hard drives came out of my “failed” Drobo and have been 
> working just fine. I think I’ve had one failure of a Toshiba drive and it was 
> still under warranty.
> 
> With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or 
> thereabouts.
> 
> Hot swappable drives, serious security and redundancy, based on a FreeBSD 
> kernel, this thing has been rock solid since I built it.
> 
> I’ve had media stuff on it, specifically Plex, but no one in the house really 
> seemed interested in using it, so I blew it away and recovered the space for 
> my Time Machine volume.
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

I can agree with the FreeNAS. Get it set up and forget about it for the
most part.


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:55 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Just a generic PC I built out of parts. Basic i7 processor I had laying
> around, although you could certainly use something less powerful.
> Motherboard with a RAID controller, 12GB of RAM, four 2GB hard drives, two
> 1GB hard drives and a 128GB SSD for a boot drive (again, major overkill but
> I had it on the bench.) The hard drives came out of my “failed” Drobo and
> have been working just fine. I think I’ve had one failure of a Toshiba
> drive and it was still under warranty.
>
> With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or
> thereabouts.
>
> Hot swappable drives, serious security and redundancy, based on a FreeBSD
> kernel, this thing has been rock solid since I built it.
>
> I’ve had media stuff on it, specifically Plex, but no one in the house
> really seemed interested in using it, so I blew it away and recovered the
> space for my Time Machine volume.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 8, 2018, at 10:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > What hardware are you running it on?
> > I mistakenly thought that new hardware meant to be  NAS would run a long
> > time. In reading reviews, it w=seems that too e many are finding that the
> > lower end Synology, QNAP, and WD NAS boxes are lasting just about three
> > months!
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:26 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> FreeNAS, dude.  My Freenas server has been churning away for almost
> three
> >> years without a hitch.
> >>
> >> Sorry to hear about the QNAP stuff.  My Mac buddies like them and
> Synology.
> >>
> >> Again, I prefer to “roll my own” after getting burned by Drobo and
> DLink.
> >> I’ve never looked back.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 8, 2018, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just
> >> turn
> >>> off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply
> >> brick
> >>> still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The
> first
> >>> one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The
> good
> >>> news was that I just plugged the drives in, and all was good. The bad
> >> news
> >>> is that it just died - three months after getting it. I'm NOT impressed
> >>> with QNAP at this point. Don't know what I'll do next, but I'm looking
> >> into
> >>> Synology - just don't want to spend a lot of money ( <$300 ).
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> > ___
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I’m working from memory, it’s probably more.

-D

> On Oct 9, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:54:49 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or
>> thereabouts.
> 
> 6 GB? Is that all?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:54:49 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or
> thereabouts.

6 GB? Is that all?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Just a generic PC I built out of parts. Basic i7 processor I had laying around, 
although you could certainly use something less powerful. Motherboard with a 
RAID controller, 12GB of RAM, four 2GB hard drives, two 1GB hard drives and a 
128GB SSD for a boot drive (again, major overkill but I had it on the bench.) 
The hard drives came out of my “failed” Drobo and have been working just fine. 
I think I’ve had one failure of a Toshiba drive and it was still under warranty.

With a ZFS encrypted RAID 5 array I think I have around 6GB of space or 
thereabouts.

Hot swappable drives, serious security and redundancy, based on a FreeBSD 
kernel, this thing has been rock solid since I built it.

I’ve had media stuff on it, specifically Plex, but no one in the house really 
seemed interested in using it, so I blew it away and recovered the space for my 
Time Machine volume.

-D

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 10:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What hardware are you running it on?
> I mistakenly thought that new hardware meant to be  NAS would run a long
> time. In reading reviews, it w=seems that too e many are finding that the
> lower end Synology, QNAP, and WD NAS boxes are lasting just about three
> months!
> 
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:26 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> FreeNAS, dude.  My Freenas server has been churning away for almost three
>> years without a hitch.
>> 
>> Sorry to hear about the QNAP stuff.  My Mac buddies like them and Synology.
>> 
>> Again, I prefer to “roll my own” after getting burned by Drobo and DLink.
>> I’ve never looked back.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2018, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just
>> turn
>>> off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply
>> brick
>>> still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The first
>>> one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The good
>>> news was that I just plugged the drives in, and all was good. The bad
>> news
>>> is that it just died - three months after getting it. I'm NOT impressed
>>> with QNAP at this point. Don't know what I'll do next, but I'm looking
>> into
>>> Synology - just don't want to spend a lot of money ( <$300 ).
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

My WD Mycloud Mirror 8 TB NAS has been running for nearly 4 years without any 
problems. Bonus...it runs the DVR software for the network so I don't need to 
keep a PC running for that. When I bought it from the Wimmen Warriors I paid 
less than the cost of the 2 drives, so I'm content with the result so far. No 
doubt YMMV.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

What hardware are you running it on?
I mistakenly thought that new hardware meant to be  NAS would run a long
time. In reading reviews, it w=seems that too many are finding that the
lower end Synology, QNAP, and WD NAS boxes are lasting just about three
months!

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:26 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> FreeNAS, dude.  My Freenas server has been churning away for almost three
> years without a hitch.
>
> Sorry to hear about the QNAP stuff.  My Mac buddies like them and Synology.
>
> Again, I prefer to “roll my own” after getting burned by Drobo and DLink.
> I’ve never looked back.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Oct 8, 2018, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just
> turn
> > off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply
> brick
> > still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The first
> > one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The good
> > news was that I just plugged the drives in, and all was good. The bad
> news
> > is that it just died - three months after getting it. I'm NOT impressed
> > with QNAP at this point. Don't know what I'll do next, but I'm looking
> into
> > Synology - just don't want to spend a lot of money ( <$300 ).
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

No qnap experience but my Synology boxes are all still ok.  I had one disk
failure on a ds211j that coincided with a power cut before I put everything
on ups. I would look for a possible external cause for your qnap problems.
Two fails is too many.  I'm using Apc smartups on my systems (from
excessups).  Cheap ups don't work well with my standby generator which puts
out over 63 hz at low load.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018, 21:16 OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just turn
> off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply brick
> still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The first
> one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The good
> news was that I just plugged the drives in, and all was good. The bad news
> is that it just died - three months after getting it. I'm NOT impressed
> with QNAP at this point. Don't know what I'll do next, but I'm looking into
> Synology - just don't want to spend a lot of money ( <$300 ).
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:30 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > QNAP is good stuff, you should be fine with it.
> >
> > For anyone considering a NAS, avoid Drobo.  They have proprietary
> firmware
> > that “tags” each hard drive and checks it for errors.  If the error count
> > is too high as determined by their standards, the drive is flagged as bad
> > and cannot be used in the array.  While in theory this sounds like a
> really
> > good idea, in practice it sucks.  I say that because their criteria for
> > error count is pretty darned low, and as a result you end up with a pile
> of
> > drives that are perfectly fine with any other appliance or PC but not
> with
> > the Drobo.  I dumped mine less than six months after I bought it, as it
> had
> > rejected three of the four (new) drives I had bought at the same time I
> > bought it (I bought the drives separately from the Drobo as they wanted
> > stupid money for the same drives.)
> >
> > This is not something covered under warranty, and the drive manufacturers
> > won’t replace the drives, either, as they still meet their standards.
> >
> > I run a FreeNAS server for my storage and backup needs.  Cheap, simple
> and
> > very reliable.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 27, 2018, at 12:32 AM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I chose it mostly because it has three drive bays, and is priced
> > > considerably less than the four bay boxes. I had good experiences
> > > rebuilding RAID 5 arrays back in the day, and usually found that bad
> data
> > > got replicated over good in mirrored arrays - maybe this box is
> marketed
> > at
> > > retired IT guys like me . . .
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think this is the right strategy, especially with multiple PCs.  I
> use
> > >> Synology but I hear QNAP is good too.
> > >>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> OK
> > >>> Don via Mercedes
> > >>>
> > >>> So I ended up buying a QNAP NAS box - TS-328 - and filling it with
> > three
> > >> 4TB
> > >>> WD Red disks. That gets me 7.2TB with RAID 5. I then got a WD Mybook
> > 8TB
> > >>> USB external drive to backup the NAS (done with one push of a button
> > >>> whenever you want). This should hold me for awhile.
> > >>> The three 4TB disks were less than two 8TB disks, and I really like
> > RAID
> > >> 5 so -
> > >>> that's what I did.
> > >>> When I copied my photos directory to the NAS, it counted 465,000
> files
> > at
> > >>> 564GB. All total, I've put 1.27TB on the NAS from the two PCs.
> > >>> Here's hoping that the old PC keeps on ticking - but at least the
> data
> > >> will be
> > >>> safe (knocking on wood).
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
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> > >
> > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> > of
> > > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> > >
> > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> > who
> > > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence
> > > for themselves."
> > >
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> > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

What hardware are you running it on?
I mistakenly thought that new hardware meant to be  NAS would run a long
time. In reading reviews, it w=seems that too many are finding that the
lower end Synology, QNAP, and WD NAS boxes are lasting just about three
months!

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:26 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> FreeNAS, dude.  My Freenas server has been churning away for almost three
> years without a hitch.
>
> Sorry to hear about the QNAP stuff.  My Mac buddies like them and Synology.
>
> Again, I prefer to “roll my own” after getting burned by Drobo and DLink.
> I’ve never looked back.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Oct 8, 2018, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just
> turn
> > off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply
> brick
> > still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The first
> > one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The good
> > news was that I just plugged the drives in, and all was good. The bad
> news
> > is that it just died - three months after getting it. I'm NOT impressed
> > with QNAP at this point. Don't know what I'll do next, but I'm looking
> into
> > Synology - just don't want to spend a lot of money ( <$300 ).
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

FreeNAS, dude.  My Freenas server has been churning away for almost three years 
without a hitch.

Sorry to hear about the QNAP stuff.  My Mac buddies like them and Synology.

Again, I prefer to “roll my own” after getting burned by Drobo and DLink.  I’ve 
never looked back.

-D


> On Oct 8, 2018, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just turn
> off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply brick
> still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The first
> one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The good
> news was that I just plugged the drives in, and all was good. The bad news
> is that it just died - three months after getting it. I'm NOT impressed
> with QNAP at this point. Don't know what I'll do next, but I'm looking into
> Synology - just don't want to spend a lot of money ( <$300 ).
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The second QNAP TS-328 has died now. They last three months, then just turn
off and won't turn on again. Always plugged into a UPS, power supply brick
still puts out power, but the box with the drives is just dead. The first
one lasted three months, died, got replaced by another new one. The good
news was that I just plugged the drives in, and all was good. The bad news
is that it just died - three months after getting it. I'm NOT impressed
with QNAP at this point. Don't know what I'll do next, but I'm looking into
Synology - just don't want to spend a lot of money ( <$300 ).

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:30 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> QNAP is good stuff, you should be fine with it.
>
> For anyone considering a NAS, avoid Drobo.  They have proprietary firmware
> that “tags” each hard drive and checks it for errors.  If the error count
> is too high as determined by their standards, the drive is flagged as bad
> and cannot be used in the array.  While in theory this sounds like a really
> good idea, in practice it sucks.  I say that because their criteria for
> error count is pretty darned low, and as a result you end up with a pile of
> drives that are perfectly fine with any other appliance or PC but not with
> the Drobo.  I dumped mine less than six months after I bought it, as it had
> rejected three of the four (new) drives I had bought at the same time I
> bought it (I bought the drives separately from the Drobo as they wanted
> stupid money for the same drives.)
>
> This is not something covered under warranty, and the drive manufacturers
> won’t replace the drives, either, as they still meet their standards.
>
> I run a FreeNAS server for my storage and backup needs.  Cheap, simple and
> very reliable.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 2018, at 12:32 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I chose it mostly because it has three drive bays, and is priced
> > considerably less than the four bay boxes. I had good experiences
> > rebuilding RAID 5 arrays back in the day, and usually found that bad data
> > got replicated over good in mirrored arrays - maybe this box is marketed
> at
> > retired IT guys like me . . .
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think this is the right strategy, especially with multiple PCs.  I use
> >> Synology but I hear QNAP is good too.
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK
> >>> Don via Mercedes
> >>>
> >>> So I ended up buying a QNAP NAS box - TS-328 - and filling it with
> three
> >> 4TB
> >>> WD Red disks. That gets me 7.2TB with RAID 5. I then got a WD Mybook
> 8TB
> >>> USB external drive to backup the NAS (done with one push of a button
> >>> whenever you want). This should hold me for awhile.
> >>> The three 4TB disks were less than two 8TB disks, and I really like
> RAID
> >> 5 so -
> >>> that's what I did.
> >>> When I copied my photos directory to the NAS, it counted 465,000 files
> at
> >>> 564GB. All total, I've put 1.27TB on the NAS from the two PCs.
> >>> Here's hoping that the old PC keeps on ticking - but at least the data
> >> will be
> >>> safe (knocking on wood).
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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>
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

QNAP is good stuff, you should be fine with it.

For anyone considering a NAS, avoid Drobo.  They have proprietary firmware that 
“tags” each hard drive and checks it for errors.  If the error count is too 
high as determined by their standards, the drive is flagged as bad and cannot 
be used in the array.  While in theory this sounds like a really good idea, in 
practice it sucks.  I say that because their criteria for error count is pretty 
darned low, and as a result you end up with a pile of drives that are perfectly 
fine with any other appliance or PC but not with the Drobo.  I dumped mine less 
than six months after I bought it, as it had rejected three of the four (new) 
drives I had bought at the same time I bought it (I bought the drives 
separately from the Drobo as they wanted stupid money for the same drives.)

This is not something covered under warranty, and the drive manufacturers won’t 
replace the drives, either, as they still meet their standards.

I run a FreeNAS server for my storage and backup needs.  Cheap, simple and very 
reliable.

-D


> On Apr 27, 2018, at 12:32 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I chose it mostly because it has three drive bays, and is priced
> considerably less than the four bay boxes. I had good experiences
> rebuilding RAID 5 arrays back in the day, and usually found that bad data
> got replicated over good in mirrored arrays - maybe this box is marketed at
> retired IT guys like me . . .
> 
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think this is the right strategy, especially with multiple PCs.  I use
>> Synology but I hear QNAP is good too.
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK
>>> Don via Mercedes
>>> 
>>> So I ended up buying a QNAP NAS box - TS-328 - and filling it with three
>> 4TB
>>> WD Red disks. That gets me 7.2TB with RAID 5. I then got a WD Mybook 8TB
>>> USB external drive to backup the NAS (done with one push of a button
>>> whenever you want). This should hold me for awhile.
>>> The three 4TB disks were less than two 8TB disks, and I really like RAID
>> 5 so -
>>> that's what I did.
>>> When I copied my photos directory to the NAS, it counted 465,000 files at
>>> 564GB. All total, I've put 1.27TB on the NAS from the two PCs.
>>> Here's hoping that the old PC keeps on ticking - but at least the data
>> will be
>>> safe (knocking on wood).
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I chose it mostly because it has three drive bays, and is priced
considerably less than the four bay boxes. I had good experiences
rebuilding RAID 5 arrays back in the day, and usually found that bad data
got replicated over good in mirrored arrays - maybe this box is marketed at
retired IT guys like me . . .

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think this is the right strategy, especially with multiple PCs.  I use
> Synology but I hear QNAP is good too.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK
> > Don via Mercedes
> >
> > So I ended up buying a QNAP NAS box - TS-328 - and filling it with three
> 4TB
> > WD Red disks. That gets me 7.2TB with RAID 5. I then got a WD Mybook 8TB
> > USB external drive to backup the NAS (done with one push of a button
> > whenever you want). This should hold me for awhile.
> > The three 4TB disks were less than two 8TB disks, and I really like RAID
> 5 so -
> > that's what I did.
> > When I copied my photos directory to the NAS, it counted 465,000 files at
> > 564GB. All total, I've put 1.27TB on the NAS from the two PCs.
> > Here's hoping that the old PC keeps on ticking - but at least the data
> will be
> > safe (knocking on wood).
> >
>
>
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I think this is the right strategy, especially with multiple PCs.  I use 
Synology but I hear QNAP is good too.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK
> Don via Mercedes
> 
> So I ended up buying a QNAP NAS box - TS-328 - and filling it with three 4TB
> WD Red disks. That gets me 7.2TB with RAID 5. I then got a WD Mybook 8TB
> USB external drive to backup the NAS (done with one push of a button
> whenever you want). This should hold me for awhile.
> The three 4TB disks were less than two 8TB disks, and I really like RAID 5 so 
> -
> that's what I did.
> When I copied my photos directory to the NAS, it counted 465,000 files at
> 564GB. All total, I've put 1.27TB on the NAS from the two PCs.
> Here's hoping that the old PC keeps on ticking - but at least the data will be
> safe (knocking on wood).
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

So I ended up buying a QNAP NAS box - TS-328 - and filling it with three
4TB WD Red disks. That gets me 7.2TB with RAID 5. I then got a WD Mybook
8TB USB external drive to backup the NAS (done with one push of a button
whenever you want). This should hold me for awhile.
The three 4TB disks were less than two 8TB disks, and I really like RAID 5
so - that's what I did.
When I copied my photos directory to the NAS, it counted 465,000 files at
564GB. All total, I've put 1.27TB on the NAS from the two PCs.
Here's hoping that the old PC keeps on ticking - but at least the data will
be safe (knocking on wood).

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 8:34 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >
> > We sell an SSD array for video storage that pulls an astounding 3,000MB/s
> > out of 10 drives to deliver to up to 10 simultaneous client connections.
> > Those numbers may not seem that impressive but the same system with
> > spinning disk drives is only 600MB/s.
>
>
> Flash is _really_ good at fast reading.  Just don't write too often and
> you're golden.
>
> -- Jim
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> We sell an SSD array for video storage that pulls an astounding 3,000MB/s
> out of 10 drives to deliver to up to 10 simultaneous client connections.
> Those numbers may not seem that impressive but the same system with
> spinning disk drives is only 600MB/s.


Flash is _really_ good at fast reading.  Just don't write too often and
you're golden.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

When I worked for the school district we had a vendor who got everything we 
trashed or was failed.  No exceptions.

They crushed anything that could potentially contain data.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On April 13, 2018 at 11:17 AM Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> Can you tell them you will pay more than the recycler pays?
> 
> For everything, or just the occasional cherry-picked item?
> 
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When it's time to renew the contract, what if a woman owned business (Angie) 
submitted a proposal?
Mitch. 
> On April 13, 2018 at 11:22 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
> Nope, no parts to be removed by employees no matter what. We have a contract 
> with some other company and that company gets everything.

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Nope, no parts to be removed by employees no matter what. We have a contract 
with some other company and that company gets everything.
I suppose the one thing the policy does is keep people from getting upset that 
"He got a better machine than me"...
-Curt
 

On Friday, April 13, 2018, 11:17:11 AM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:48:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Keep an eye on eBay. We sell it to a recycler who probably then sells
> it there. You see lots of old corporate machines on there. Time was I
> could haul stuff home from work pretty easily. They've really cracked
> down on that which is weird, we get very little for stuff from the
> recyclers, it'd be easier to have a process to decomission stuff and
> have it go home with people... -Curt 

Can you tell them you will pay more than the recycler pays?


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> On April 13, 2018 at 11:17 AM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> Can you tell them you will pay more than the recycler pays?

For everything, or just the occasional cherry-picked item?

Mitch.

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:48:53 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Keep an eye on eBay. We sell it to a recycler who probably then sells
> it there. You see lots of old corporate machines on there. Time was I
> could haul stuff home from work pretty easily. They've really cracked
> down on that which is weird, we get very little for stuff from the
> recyclers, it'd be easier to have a process to decomission stuff and
> have it go home with people... -Curt 

Can you tell them you will pay more than the recycler pays?


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Keep an eye on eBay. We sell it to a recycler who probably then sells it there. 
You see lots of old corporate machines on there.
Time was I could haul stuff home from work pretty easily. They've really 
cracked down on that which is weird, we get very little for stuff from the 
recyclers, it'd be easier to have a process to decomission stuff and have it go 
home with people...
-Curt
 

On Friday, April 13, 2018, 10:09:06 AM EDT, Ed Booher  
wrote:  
 
 Don't send it out to scrap!!
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

XW8600 is so 2010. ;)I've got one too and it's been great. The Z8 is out now so 
the old xw series is relegated to the dustbin. I've got one in the classroom 
due for the scrap pile as soon as I reinstall Windows on a Z820 to replace it.
Curt

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  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:17 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:   > OK wrote:

>  but am also thinking of one of those HP workstations Curt was
> recommending a few years ago.

I got a HP xw8600.  I _like_ it!

I do have it doing server like duties, with multiple remote sessions.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Jim,
Your note about wear leveling and full drives helped me to realize a point. 
I've noted that SSDs suffer worse than spinning disks for slowing down when 
they get really full. Somebody had told me that it was due to wear leveling, 
now I better understand, thanks for that.
We sell an SSD array for video storage that pulls an astounding 3,000MB/s out 
of 10 drives to deliver to up to 10 simultaneous client connections. Those 
numbers may not seem that impressive but the same system with spinning disk 
drives is only 600MB/s.
Side note, we currently support up to 6.4PB total storage. The numbers have 
gotten goofy. When I started teaching back in 2006 we supported up to 192TB...
-Curt
 

On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 9:38:28 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 >
> SSD's are _usually_ faster, and don't have mechanical wear mechanisms.
> But ...


I scraped up an analysis of flash memory that I had written awhile ago,
sanitized it, and put it on my web site.
Feel free to point out where I am wrong!  (If you can...  :-)

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/flash.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Windows 10: Hit the Windows button or click on the Window Icon on the task
bar, Just above the Power Icon there should be a gear icon. That is the new
Settings interface. Click that and you will bring up "Settings" however I
don't have 10 on a laptop, so not sure which control panel will have the
setting you are looking for.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 5:50 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Did you try the video program on your OS? It usually has brightness
> settings. On Windows 7 you can find it on the control panel via the Windows
> button in the upper left hand corner of the screen. I don't know where it
> is on Windows 10.
> Gerry
> ~~~
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:07:04 -0400
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone have an HP EliteBook?  I can't figure out how to adjust the
> > brightness.  When using the fn + F10 toggle it won't brighten or dim.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:26 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > All I know is my Windows PCs boot much faster after I replaced the HDs
> > > with SSDs.
> > > I know the SSD can fail suddenly but I've had HDs do that too.  I'm
> kind
> > > of anal about backup with files backed up locally and in the cloud as
> well
> > > as (at least) weekly drive images.  My backups are all automated so
> it's
> > > fairly painless.
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim
> > > Cathey
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> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot
> > > > > faster to boot (pun attempt).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Completely false on both counts, depending on circumstances and
> > > subtracting
> > > > the pun.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Don't send it out to scrap!!

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> XW8600 is so 2010. ;)I've got one too and it's been great. The Z8 is out
> now so the old xw series is relegated to the dustbin. I've got one in the
> classroom due for the scrap pile as soon as I reinstall Windows on a Z820
> to replace it.
> Curt
>
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>   On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:17 PM, fmiser via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   > OK wrote:
>
> >  but am also thinking of one of those HP workstations Curt was
> > recommending a few years ago.
>
> I got a HP xw8600.  I _like_ it!
>
> I do have it doing server like duties, with multiple remote sessions.
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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> SSD's are _usually_ faster, and don't have mechanical wear mechanisms.
> But ...


I scraped up an analysis of flash memory that I had written awhile ago,
sanitized it, and put it on my web site.
Feel free to point out where I am wrong!  (If you can...  :-)

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/flash.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Did you try the video program on your OS? It usually has brightness settings. 
On Windows 7 you can find it on the control panel via the Windows button in the 
upper left hand corner of the screen. I don't know where it is on Windows 10.
Gerry
~~~
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:07:04 -0400
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone have an HP EliteBook?  I can't figure out how to adjust the
> brightness.  When using the fn + F10 toggle it won't brighten or dim.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:26 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > All I know is my Windows PCs boot much faster after I replaced the HDs
> > with SSDs.
> > I know the SSD can fail suddenly but I've had HDs do that too.  I'm kind
> > of anal about backup with files backed up locally and in the cloud as well
> > as (at least) weekly drive images.  My backups are all automated so it's
> > fairly painless.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Cathey
> > > via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:03 AM
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> > > Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot
> > > > faster to boot (pun attempt).
> > >
> > >
> > > Completely false on both counts, depending on circumstances and
> > subtracting
> > > the pun.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

XW8600 is so 2010. ;)I've got one too and it's been great. The Z8 is out now so 
the old xw series is relegated to the dustbin. I've got one in the classroom 
due for the scrap pile as soon as I reinstall Windows on a Z820 to replace it.
Curt

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  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:17 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:   > OK wrote:

>  but am also thinking of one of those HP workstations Curt was
> recommending a few years ago.

I got a HP xw8600.  I _like_ it!

I do have it doing server like duties, with multiple remote sessions.

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[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, I have an HP Elitebook 2730p. Those keys don't work on mine either,
but it's running Ubuntu Linux, so who knows? The brightness is fine on
mine, so I haven't tried to adjust it. Try right clicking the desktop and
try display settings.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:07 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone have an HP EliteBook?  I can't figure out how to adjust the
> brightness.  When using the fn + F10 toggle it won't brighten or dim.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:26 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > All I know is my Windows PCs boot much faster after I replaced the HDs
> > with SSDs.
> > I know the SSD can fail suddenly but I've had HDs do that too.  I'm kind
> > of anal about backup with files backed up locally and in the cloud as
> well
> > as (at least) weekly drive images.  My backups are all automated so it's
> > fairly painless.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Cathey
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> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot
> > > > faster to boot (pun attempt).
> > >
> > >
> > > Completely false on both counts, depending on circumstances and
> > subtracting
> > > the pun.
> > >
> > > ...
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Anyone have an HP EliteBook?  I can't figure out how to adjust the
brightness.  When using the fn + F10 toggle it won't brighten or dim.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:26 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All I know is my Windows PCs boot much faster after I replaced the HDs
> with SSDs.
> I know the SSD can fail suddenly but I've had HDs do that too.  I'm kind
> of anal about backup with files backed up locally and in the cloud as well
> as (at least) weekly drive images.  My backups are all automated so it's
> fairly painless.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Cathey
> > via Mercedes
> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:03 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks
> >
> > >
> > > I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot
> > > faster to boot (pun attempt).
> >
> >
> > Completely false on both counts, depending on circumstances and
> subtracting
> > the pun.
> >
> > ...
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

All I know is my Windows PCs boot much faster after I replaced the HDs with 
SSDs.  
I know the SSD can fail suddenly but I've had HDs do that too.  I'm kind of 
anal about backup with files backed up locally and in the cloud as well as (at 
least) weekly drive images.  My backups are all automated so it's fairly 
painless.

> -Original Message-
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> via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:03 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks
> 
> >
> > I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot
> > faster to boot (pun attempt).
> 
> 
> Completely false on both counts, depending on circumstances and subtracting
> the pun.
> 
> ...



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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot faster to
> boot (pun attempt).


Completely false on both counts, depending on circumstances and subtracting
the pun.

SSD's are _usually_ faster, and don't have mechanical wear mechanisms.  But
there are also two basic facts of physics working against you:

1) The fundamental electron tunneling mechanisms used have a
wear-equivalent behavior, and they literally slow down with every erasure.
Depending on the technology, at a 10:1 ratio or worse.  When near EOL, some
devices can take 1/2 second or more PER ERASURE to finish.

2) Some flash technologies have a wear-out threshold in the hundreds
(10^2!) of cycles.  The best ones are only millions (10^6).  10^4-10^5 are
the middle of the road.  Most flash vendors don't want to tell you the raw
numbers.  The newest high-density MLC/TLC flashes are the worst.

Plus, there are more factors:

3) Wear-leveling mechanisms, required in order to compensate for the above
two conditions, are often not matched to the filesystem.  This can result
in highly-unoptimal use behavior of the raw flash device, causing
accelerated wear on the flash.  Yes, making things worse instead of
better.  Current trends are to integrate this necessary mechanism into the
device, where it is opaque, unspecified, and unadvertised.  By the time you
find out it's actually shit, it's too late.  Low-cost commodity devices are
usually the worst.

4) The more full the SSD is, the less free space there is to push around
for wear leveling purposes.  A nearly full device will wear out much faster
than a nearly empty one.

5) Retention is usually unspecified, but can be measured in months on the
worst devices.  Higher temperatures exacerbate the problem.

For some heavy write-oriented applications, a traditional rotating disk
will actually work better and last longer!  A company I once worked for
changed production from rotating to SSD, "to enhance reliability."  Failure
rates in the field went _up_!  They did not switch to a flash-friendly
filesystem format, and the traditional fs just wore the flash out in short
order.  The 'improvement' was made by the purchasing/marketing department,
and engineering was neither involved nor consulted.  Oops.

OTOH, a truly optimal implementation, largely read-only and well-matched to
the application, will really fly, last a long time, and will be immune to
physical abuse.

Our big Macs here at home use SSD for the boot/application disk, and
rotating media for all the user files.  They're blazingly fast in general
operation, but a catastrophic SSD failure will not result in the loss of
critical data.  These machines all use Time Machine to back up to a server,
which uses 2TB RAID HD's to catch.  One of these raw HD's is rotated out to
off-site storage quarterly, and the RAID is rebuilt with the oldest offline
device.  (4 2T mechanical hard drives in rotation, 2 serving 'live' at a
time, 2 in separate off-line off-site locations.)

Fast, and safe.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Probably a good deal but I recently bought two refurb HP elite SFF desktops 
with (older) I7 processors and from TigerDirect for about $300 each (I did 
replace the HDs with SSDs).  If you are into rolling the dice, you might check 
out current refurb offerings.

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> Don via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:42 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: OK Don <okd...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks
> 
> Is this a good deal?
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z420-Workstation-Intel-Xeon-
> Quad-Core-3-6GHz-8GB-RAM-500GB-NVIDIA-Win-10-Pro/
> 172119032781?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m14
> 38.l2649
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:28 PM, OK Don <okd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I found this stand-alone disk duplicator - last one I bought (for
> > work) was over $300 . . .
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-Adapter-Duplicator-Function-Tool-
> Free/d
> > p/ B00LSU4SHW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=
> > 1523481537=1-
> 1=2.5%22+SATA+III+to+3.5%22+SATA+II+adapter
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:27 PM, OK Don <okd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to
> >> destroy another  one - ought to be fun!
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange
> >>> it for a refurbished one.
> >>> I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
> >>> I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore
> >>> the only possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire.
> >>>
> >>> Mitch.
> >>>
> >>> > On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands,
> >>> > last I knew. Was it covered under warranty?
> >>> >
> >>>
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> >>
> >> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and
> >> many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >>
> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
> >> few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the
> >> electric fence for themselves."
> >>
> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and
> > many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
> > few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the
> > electric fence for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for
> themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I have gone to modest (like 500G) SSDs in all my PCs and store most files 
externally on a NAS.  PCs boot much faster from a SSD.  My main NAS (always on) 
is a Synology DS216play with two 8T WD red drives  that I bought refurbished on 
ebay for much less than new.  The 216 is set up as two large (8T) volumes with 
no RAID,  They have been running fine for about two years now.  I also use a 
Synology DS413 set up as 13T RAID 5 with three 6T and one 3T WD red drives (all 
ebay refurb) which is the backup for most things, including all the DS216.  
Finally, I have an external USB drive plugged into the 216 for weekly disk 
image backups of all PCs.  Storing full image backups on a USB drive simplifies 
a restore.  To date, I haven't had problems with the WD red drives.  I use 
Acronis for backup on the Win machines and the Synology (free) package for 
backup between the Synology machines.  No complaints so far.

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> Don via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 2:18 PM
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> Cc: OK Don <okd...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks
> 
> My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are almost
> full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.
> 
> I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western Digital.
> What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive reliability/life?
> 
> I only have two drive bays in the case - seems inadequate today . . .
> 
> I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing hassles 
> from
> M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of those HP workstations Curt
> was recommending a few years ago.
> 
> 
> --
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for
> themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:33:28 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> gpartd works great!
> 
> fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >
> > gparted to handle partition work.  Clonezilla for cloning stuff.
> > Can be gotten in it's own ISO image, or get almost any
> > service/repair live CD (SystemRescue, GMRL) will have both.

gparted is what I used on our laptop to shrink the Windows area from the
whole disk to about 60 GB so I could install CentOS 7 with Mate desktop
manager on the rest.

Yes, it does work great!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

gpartd works great!

fmiser via Mercedes wrote:



gparted to handle partition work.  Clonezilla for cloning stuff.
Can be gotten in it's own ISO image, or get almost any
service/repair live CD (SystemRescue, GMRL) will have both.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> OK wrote:

> A clone would get the MBR, but how that works
> with a disk of a different size I don't know. You used to have
> to purchase software to do this stuff decently, is there
> freeware that works now?

gparted to handle partition work.  Clonezilla for cloning stuff.
Can be gotten in it's own ISO image, or get almost any
service/repair live CD (SystemRescue, GMRL) will have both.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> OK wrote:

>  but am also thinking of one of those HP workstations Curt was
> recommending a few years ago.

I got a HP xw8600.  I _like_ it!

I do have it doing server like duties, with multiple remote sessions.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:19:48 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> If you’re buying a single drive, splurge and buy an enterprise grade
> drive. Well worth the extra bucks.
> 
> -D former data center guy

The WD Gold I bought is an enterprise/data center grade drive.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:04:34 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:59:08 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > I haven't had to do this kind of stuff in many years, but last I
> > remember, copying a disk does not get the MBR, just the files and
> > directories. A clone would get the MBR, but how that works with a disk
> > of a different size I don't know. You used to have to purchase
> > software to do this stuff decently, is there freeware that works now?
> > I'm running W10 . . . I'm guessing boot to a Linux USB drive with the
> > utilities, then clone the old drives to the new ones?
> 
> Well, I was answering from a Linux perspective.
> 
> One uses the dd command, which copies everything (clone in Win jargon).

When you do that, the larger disk thinks it is the size of the smaller
disk, which is why you have to use a partition manager (on Linux, parted)
to enlarge the last partition on the disk.


Craig

P.S. systemrescuecd is bootable and has all the tools you need.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:59:08 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I haven't had to do this kind of stuff in many years, but last I
> remember, copying a disk does not get the MBR, just the files and
> directories. A clone would get the MBR, but how that works with a disk
> of a different size I don't know. You used to have to purchase software
> to do this stuff decently, is there freeware that works now? I'm
> running W10 . . . I'm guessing boot to a Linux USB drive with the
> utilities, then clone the old drives to the new ones?

Well, I was answering from a Linux perspective.

One uses the dd command, which copies everything (clone in Win jargon).


Craig


> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:31:23 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Should be able to.  Or create the partition you want, then transfer
> > > the files over...
> >
> > Copying the disk will get the Master Boot Record as well as the
> > files ...

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

I've got 2 of those USB 2.0 & 3.0 they both work like a champ.
No complaints, in fact I have a 1 TB hdd hooked to the 2.0 ver and use it
as an external hard drive.
Bought both from NewEgg 29.99 for the 2.0 got the 3.0 for 19.99 on sale
about a year later.

Russ W

On Wed,4/11/18 16:28, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I found this stand-alone disk duplicator - last one I bought (for work) was
over $300 . . .

https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-Adapter-Duplicator-Function-Tool-Free/dp/B00LSU4SHW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=1523481537=1-1=2.5%22+SATA+III+to+3.5%22+SATA+II+adapter


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:27 PM, OK Don  wrote:


That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to destroy
another  one - ought to be fun!

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it
for a refurbished one.
I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the
only possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire.

Mitch.


On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes 

wrote:


Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
knew. Was it covered under warranty?


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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
fence for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I have had good luck with hitachi.  Other than some that were bad out of 
the box, I don't recall any (of hundreds) failing.  The bad ones were 
replaced with refurbs, and no problem ever with the refurbs.  WD, and 
seagate, have failed.  I think it was some seagate I bought in 2000 that 
i figured were programmed to brick in 10 years.  They all died exactly 
10 yrs after mfgr. date.


Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot faster to boot 
(pun attempt).

Also, I too favor WD over the competition.

My solution was a NAS with a pair of red 4TB WD HDs. The cost for the WD 
MyCloud Mirror was no more than the cost of the 2 HDs in it. It also runs my 
HDHomerun DVR software in its spare time.

Greg




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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

3 year would be reasonable.
Suggest to them that you can have the drive shredded and send them the shreds 
if they like...

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 7:11:32 PM EDT, Mitch Haley 
 wrote:  
 
 I didn't respond after they sent me the RMA info. 
Maybe I should have?
I bought it around Black Friday in 2015, I wonder if that was a 3 year warranty?
Mitch.
> On April 11, 2018 at 5:35 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did you mention that a return wasn't an option? We get that a lot from big 
> government customers...
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>  
>  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>wrote:  That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to 
>destroy
> another  one - ought to be fun!
> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it for
> > a refurbished one.
> > I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
> > I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the only
> > possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> > > On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
> > > knew. Was it covered under warranty?
> > >
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> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I didn't respond after they sent me the RMA info. 
Maybe I should have?
I bought it around Black Friday in 2015, I wonder if that was a 3 year warranty?
Mitch.
> On April 11, 2018 at 5:35 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did you mention that a return wasn't an option? We get that a lot from big 
> government customers...
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>  
>   On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:   That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to 
> destroy
> another  one - ought to be fun!
> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it for
> > a refurbished one.
> > I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
> > I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the only
> > possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> > > On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
> > > knew. Was it covered under warranty?
> > >
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> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Only 4 core per processor and short on RAM but not bad for the money. I'd 
double the RAM in it, Crucial has it for $100, you can probably get it cheaper 
elsewhere just make sure its fast enough...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 5:42:06 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Is this a good deal?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z420-Workstation-Intel-Xeon-
Quad-Core-3-6GHz-8GB-RAM-500GB-NVIDIA-Win-10-Pro/
172119032781?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:28 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> I found this stand-alone disk duplicator - last one I bought (for work)
> was over $300 . . .
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-Adapter-Duplicator-Function-Tool-Free/dp/
> B00LSU4SHW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=
> 1523481537=1-1=2.5%22+SATA+III+to+3.5%22+SATA+II+adapter
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:27 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
>> That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to destroy
>> another  one - ought to be fun!
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it
>>> for a refurbished one.
>>> I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
>>> I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the
>>> only possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire.
>>>
>>> Mitch.
>>>
>>> > On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
>>> > knew. Was it covered under warranty?
>>> >
>>>
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>>
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>> OK Don
>>
>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
>> of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>> fence for themselves."
>>
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>>
>
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>



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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Is this a good deal?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z420-Workstation-Intel-Xeon-
Quad-Core-3-6GHz-8GB-RAM-500GB-NVIDIA-Win-10-Pro/
172119032781?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:28 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> I found this stand-alone disk duplicator - last one I bought (for work)
> was over $300 . . .
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-Adapter-Duplicator-Function-Tool-Free/dp/
> B00LSU4SHW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=
> 1523481537=1-1=2.5%22+SATA+III+to+3.5%22+SATA+II+adapter
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:27 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
>> That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to destroy
>> another  one - ought to be fun!
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it
>>> for a refurbished one.
>>> I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
>>> I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the
>>> only possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire.
>>>
>>> Mitch.
>>>
>>> > On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
>>> > knew. Was it covered under warranty?
>>> >
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> OK Don
>>
>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
>> of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>> fence for themselves."
>>
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>>
>
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>



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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did you mention that a return wasn't an option? We get that a lot from big 
government customers...
Curt

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  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:   That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to 
destroy
another  one - ought to be fun!

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it for
> a refurbished one.
> I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
> I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the only
> possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire.
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
> > knew. Was it covered under warranty?
> >
>
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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I found this stand-alone disk duplicator - last one I bought (for work) was
over $300 . . .

https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-Adapter-Duplicator-Function-Tool-Free/dp/B00LSU4SHW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=1523481537=1-1=2.5%22+SATA+III+to+3.5%22+SATA+II+adapter


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:27 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to destroy
> another  one - ought to be fun!
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it
>> for a refurbished one.
>> I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
>> I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the
>> only possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
>> > On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
>> > knew. Was it covered under warranty?
>> >
>>
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>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>



-- 
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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

That sucks - I do have an Oxy-Acetylene torch should you need to destroy
another  one - ought to be fun!

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it for
> a refurbished one.
> I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
> I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the only
> possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire.
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
> > knew. Was it covered under warranty?
> >
>
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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It would be stretch to say SSDs always have a longer life than spinning disk 
drive. They do have a known lifespan, last I knew it was 10^28 writes to any 
given data location at which point you've got a read-only drive.
For most people that means the drive will last a really long time, however if 
you were doing lots of write/delete cycles you could kill a disk pretty 
easily...
I've got a Touchbar Macbook Pro because the SSD in my Retina Macbook Pro quit 
after 4 years. I've never had a laptop drive failure before...

As an aside I was just thinking about how many drives I'm responsible for 
currently, I quit counting at 300...

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 4:46:19 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  
 
 I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot faster to 
boot (pun attempt).

Also, I too favor WD over the competition.

My solution was a NAS with a pair of red 4TB WD HDs. The cost for the WD 
MyCloud Mirror was no more than the cost of the 2 HDs in it. It also runs my 
HDHomerun DVR software in its spare time.

Greg

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Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 11:18 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are almost 
full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.

I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western Digital.
What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive reliability/life?

I only have two drive bays in the case - seems inadequate today . . .

I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing hassles 
from M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of those HP workstations 
Curt was recommending a few years ago.


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people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who 
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for 
themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I tried the warranty route, they sent me an RMA so I could exchange it for a 
refurbished one. 
I was hoping for 'sorry about that, here's a new drive'.
I'm an accountant, and the drive had client data on it. Therefore the only 
possible repairs involved a hammer or a very hot fire. 

Mitch. 

> On April 11, 2018 at 5:12 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
> knew. Was it covered under warranty?
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmm - and Sandisk is supposed to be one of the best SSD brands, last I
knew. Was it covered under warranty?

It looks like there is yet another form factor in the wild:
SAMSUNG 860 EVO Series M.2 2280 1TB SATA III 3D NAND Internal Solid State
Drive (SSD)

I wonder if there are adapters to old SATA controllers?


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 4:05 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On April 11, 2018 at 4:45 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot faster
> to boot (pun attempt).
>
> I bought a Sandisk Ultra II two years ago, wanting reliability more than
> speed.
> Installed it in February, it crashed completely, suddenly and permanently
> in July.
> Never had a platter drive die in less than a year in all my life.
>
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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On April 11, 2018 at 4:45 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot faster to 
> boot (pun attempt).

I bought a Sandisk Ultra II two years ago, wanting reliability more than speed. 
Installed it in February, it crashed completely, suddenly and permanently in 
July. 
Never had a platter drive die in less than a year in all my life.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I haven't had to do this kind of stuff in many years, but last I remember,
copying a disk does not get the MBR, just the files and directories. A
clone would get the MBR, but how that works with a disk of a different size
I don't know. You used to have to purchase software to do this stuff
decently, is there freeware that works now? I'm running W10 . . .
I'm guessing boot to a Linux USB drive with the utilities, then clone the
old drives to the new ones?

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:31:23 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Should be able to.  Or create the partition you want, then transfer the
> > files over...
>
> Copying the disk will get the Master Boot Record as well as the files ...
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> > Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:18:20 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
> > >   wrote:
> > >
> > >> My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc.
> > >> are almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.
> > >>
> > >> I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western
> > >> Digital. What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive
> > >> reliability/life?
> > >
> > > I have been burned by Seagate and now buy Western Digital, most
> > > recently a 1 TByte WD Gold for the new computer I'm assembling.
> > >
> > >
> > >> I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing
> > >> hassles from M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of
> > >> those HP workstations Curt was recommending a few years ago.
> > >
> > > Can you not copy your disks to a larger disk and then use a partition
> > > editor to increase the size to that of the larger disk?
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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I have read that SSDs have a much longer lifespan, and are a lot faster to boot 
(pun attempt).

Also, I too favor WD over the competition.

My solution was a NAS with a pair of red 4TB WD HDs. The cost for the WD 
MyCloud Mirror was no more than the cost of the 2 HDs in it. It also runs my 
HDHomerun DVR software in its spare time.

Greg

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Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 11:18 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are almost 
full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.

I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western Digital.
What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive reliability/life?

I only have two drive bays in the case - seems inadequate today . . .

I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing hassles 
from M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of those HP workstations 
Curt was recommending a few years ago.


--
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people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who 
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for 
themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

If you’re buying a single drive, splurge and buy an enterprise grade drive. 
Well worth the extra bucks.

-D former data center guy

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:31:23 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Should be able to.  Or create the partition you want, then transfer the 
>> files over...
> 
> Copying the disk will get the Master Boot Record as well as the files ...
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
>> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:18:20 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
>>>   wrote:
>>> 
 My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc.
 are almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.
 
 I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western
 Digital. What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive
 reliability/life?
>>> 
>>> I have been burned by Seagate and now buy Western Digital, most
>>> recently a 1 TByte WD Gold for the new computer I'm assembling.
>>> 
>>> 
 I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing
 hassles from M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of
 those HP workstations Curt was recommending a few years ago.
>>> 
>>> Can you not copy your disks to a larger disk and then use a partition
>>> editor to increase the size to that of the larger disk?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:31:23 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Should be able to.  Or create the partition you want, then transfer the 
> files over...

Copying the disk will get the Master Boot Record as well as the files ...


Craig



> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:18:20 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
> >   wrote:
> >
> >> My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc.
> >> are almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.
> >>
> >> I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western
> >> Digital. What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive
> >> reliability/life?
> >
> > I have been burned by Seagate and now buy Western Digital, most
> > recently a 1 TByte WD Gold for the new computer I'm assembling.
> >
> >
> >> I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing
> >> hassles from M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of
> >> those HP workstations Curt was recommending a few years ago.
> >
> > Can you not copy your disks to a larger disk and then use a partition
> > editor to increase the size to that of the larger disk?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have recently bought a couple from Newegg I think, I want to say HGTV 
brand (!) but that's not right, but it is something like that.  They got 
pretty good reviews for whatever that is worth. They were a bit more 
expensive than the Seagate and WDs which got poor reviews.  I'm not sure 
any of them are very good these days, some seem to be built better.


I would suggest getting 2 and putting them in external holders (cheap) 
and mirroring your HD to both of them so you have some reliability and 
redundancy.


DanP is probably one of our resident experts on this kind of stuff, see 
what he says


--FT


On 4/11/18 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are
almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.

I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western Digital.
What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive reliability/life?

I only have two drive bays in the case - seems inadequate today . . .

I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing
hassles from M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of those HP
workstations Curt was recommending a few years ago.




--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Should be able to.  Or create the partition you want, then transfer the 
files over...



Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:18:20 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
  wrote:


My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are
almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.

I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western Digital.
What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive
reliability/life?


I have been burned by Seagate and now buy Western Digital, most recently
a 1 TByte WD Gold for the new computer I'm assembling.



I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing
hassles from M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of those HP
workstations Curt was recommending a few years ago.


Can you not copy your disks to a larger disk and then use a partition
editor to increase the size to that of the larger disk?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:18:20 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are
> almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.
> 
> I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western Digital.
> What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive
> reliability/life?

I have been burned by Seagate and now buy Western Digital, most recently
a 1 TByte WD Gold for the new computer I'm assembling.


> I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing
> hassles from M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of those HP
> workstations Curt was recommending a few years ago.

Can you not copy your disks to a larger disk and then use a partition
editor to increase the size to that of the larger disk?


Craig

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[MBZ] OT - desktop hard disks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

My boot disk and the second disk - used for backing up photos, etc. are
almost full. This is an older (9 years old) HP consumer box.

I'm seeing 4TB disks for reasonable prices, Seagate and Western Digital.
What have the rest of you experienced in terms of drive reliability/life?

I only have two drive bays in the case - seems inadequate today . . .

I'd hate to have to rebuild the box from scratch, with the licensing
hassles from M$ and Adobe, etc., but am also thinking of one of those HP
workstations Curt was recommending a few years ago.


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