ught that if it was available for all it
could be a good material to start off from where everyone could take part.
J-A
> 27 maj 2020 x kl. 00:16 skrev Ant McWatt :
>
> Jan-Anders,
>
> Here's a link to that 1999 paper you mentioned by ERIC PRIEZKALNS and myself:
>
>
his voice and the sharpness of his previous mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_x3penXBFU
This new version of Mother is also on youtube. The musicians have to
support him very much.
--Shine on you crazy diamond!!!
Op wo 27 mei 2020 om 00:16 schreef Ant McWatt :
> Jan-Anders,
>
> H
Jan-Anders,
Here's a link to that 1999 paper you mentioned by ERIC PRIEZKALNS and myself:
http://www.quantonics.com/Anthony_McWatts_MoQ_Paper.html
Otherwise, as I said previously, the 'MOQ & Time' paper (more or less anyway)
can be found in the appendix of the 'Pirisg PhD PDF' from 2011. If
y 22, 2020 at 5:13 PM http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org>>
wrote:
> Today's Topics:
>
>1. Re: The future of MOQ? (Ant McWatt)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 22
t certainly i will go back.Maybe for a month or so.
I sincerely hope The north of Ireland will blend in again,altough the
troubles are not forgotten,and they still have a biting reflex.
Talking about the Eu; it looks obvious by now that we will hit the no-deal
.
Adrie
Op vr 22 mei
is real. It’s not only defined by Thermodynamics or MOQ.
Best wishes to you all.
Jan-Anders
> 22 maj 2020 x kl. 23:54 skrev Ant McWatt :
>
> And thinking of comedy... I've been catching-up with this guy recently. On
> the whole, very high quality material IMHO. This relatively
ork...
www.youtube.com
________
From: Ant McWatt
Sent: 22 May 2020 21:13
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ?
LOL!
--
nose in a jerrycan.
Adrie
Op di 19 mei 2020 om 12:47 schreef Ant McWatt :
> Sounds a very good way to go, Adrie, in these 'times of trouble' with the
> motorcycles/bikes and outboard boat engines. Bet your brother and your
> good self are glad that you have that man-cave to work in!
it become
valueless.
But we like to get our nose in a jerrycan.
Adrie
Op di 19 mei 2020 om 12:47 schreef Ant McWatt :
> Sounds a very good way to go, Adrie, in these 'times of trouble' with the
> motorcycles/bikes and outboard boat engines. Bet your brother and your
> good self are gla
forward to that.
All the best
Jan-Anders
> 17 maj 2020 x kl. 18:37 skrev Ant McWatt :
>
> Jan-Anders!
>
> Now that's a name I've heard (as did Robert Pirsig) for many years. One of
> the 'more balanced' contributors to MOQ Discuss, as I remember...
>
> Anyway, Jan, could y
the effort,but we have some Belgian beer to comfort us.
We also restore old outboard engines, Ducati, Evinrude, Honda, two-stroke
and 4 stroke , longtail/shorttail name it , its there, and the surprise-
they sell like candy,and they make very good money.
Op zo 17 mei 2020 om 20:44 schreef Ant McWatt
e
Op zo 17 mei 2020 om 05:42 schreef Ant McWatt :
> Interesting times, hey?
>
> As Bill Hicks would say 'It times like this, you see people's (and
> co(u)ntries) genuine colo(u)rs!' Heh, heh, heh...
>
> Fortunately, where I live there's no known Corona Virus infections but I
&
, small talk and my writing for this.
best wishes
Jan-Anders
> 17 maj 2020 kl. 05:42 skrev Ant McWatt :
>
> Interesting times, hey?
>
> As Bill Hicks would say 'It times like this, you see people's (and
> co(u)ntries) genuine colo(u)rs!' Heh, heh, heh...
>
> Fortunately, where
Interesting times, hey?
As Bill Hicks would say 'It times like this, you see people's (and co(u)ntries)
genuine colo(u)rs!' Heh, heh, heh...
Fortunately, where I live there's no known Corona Virus infections but I look
around the world and can see quite a difference of Quality in how this
Mr Carl!
Do you see the MD as primarily a place to promote Pirsig's social status?
No way; I'm not having Pirsig cramping my style on this Discussion Group with
me being the first person in the world with a PhD in the MOQ. Remember that Mr
Pirsig has only an honorary doctorate and that's
the end of today's 'lecture'. Thanks for 'listening'.
Ant
From: antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: RE: [MD] MOQ and science
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 04:04:19 +
Ant McWatt comments:
John,
In regard to your various comments about professional philosophers, yes, good
Ant McWatt comments:
John,
In regard to your various comments about professional philosophers, yes, good
for you.
To return to the motives of my last question (!), have you thought about
establishing a Royce Discussion Group as that would be a more a more
appropriate place for your interests
John Carl misleadingly (as usual) stated:
'Idealism is about ideals. Quality is an ideal. If you can't make that leap
of logic, then happy chattering.
Ant McWatt notes:
Sounds like you suffered a bit of brain damage after your recent accident John.
You see (Dynamic) Quality isn't an ideal
types of common logic traps that
inhibit critical thinking practices would, in my opinion, render a large
portion of any anti-Intellectual argument mounted as superfluous. Saving a lot
of time in explanation.
-Ron
On Nov 26, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Ant McWatt wrote:
Dear all!,
Nice to be back
Dear all!,
Nice to be back! Anyway, I was thinking recently (after last month's MOQ
lecture at Liverpool University) that a definition of SOM might be any
metaphysics that, implicitly or explicitly, DEFINES the Good. Any sensible
thoughts about this definition and how it might be improved
Hey good for you Dan. I'm sure you will really get a lot out of Patrick
Doorly's book (MOQ-wise) and apologies if I came across a little negative
earlier about CreateSpace. I was just trying to convey what Patrick had said
to me about TTAA (and its publisher) last year but, as ever, the
FYI Arlo Dan:
TTAA followed a standard American book design, used by university presses,
down to the choice of font and size of leading. It makes for perfectly
comfortable reading. And while a coated paper would have printed the images
with a greater tonal range, they reproduce perfectly
their
academic tenure.
Ant McWatt comments:
Thanks Arlo. This is the exact point I was trying to convey to Dan but you
have explained this point about modern academia and its relationship with
publishers a lot better than I did!
Best wishes,
Ant
ORIGINAL POST FROM ARLO TO DAN IN FULL:
[Ant
as well as the
illustrations), and I have the ability to go back any time and make
changes should I deem them necessary. The point is, there are options
out there so that an author does not have to settle for low quality,
especially when his book is about reclaiming quality!
Ant McWatt comments:
Dan
DMB observed October 16th:
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/books/the-truth-about-art-reclaiming-quality-by-patrick-doorly/2016268.article
The reviewer finds things to criticize and things to praise about Patrick
Doorly's book. (Any press is good press?)
Arlo then commented October
includes some previously unpublished comments
from Pirsig (about Emerson). I'm working on one that will have unpublished
comments from Pirsig about Henry David Thoreau.
Ant McWatt comments:
Fantastic news Dave. I found visiting the site of Thoreau's cabin (in December
2012) a fascinating
Ron, all,
To link up religion with the MOQ will take an immense amount of high quality
education; probably outside the present SOM based school/college/university
set-up nearly all the world tends to have imposed on it presently. Hence this
new MOQ University project that I have recently
Ron, all,
To link up religion with the MOQ will take an immense amount of high
quality education; probably outside the present SOM based
school/college/university set-up nearly all the world tends to have
imposed on it presently. Hence this new MOQ University project that I
have recently
Jan Anders,
What do you make of Anaïs Nin? Good as Miller? Better or just different?
Being another reader of Miller's 'Big Sur' (again thanks to Dan's recent
recommendation), I was wondering if Nin was worth reading too...
Ant
Jan Anders Andersson
out in the air,
aiming for the near future when he catches the ball.
I’ll call when I’m close.
Jan-Anders
30 aug 2014 x kl. 21:10 skrev Ant McWatt antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk:
On Aug 30, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson jananderses at telia.com
wrote:
Hit a shared attention
Mary,
You said yesterday:
Someone who is distractingly named John on MD...
Ant McWatt comments:
In the early 21st century Ms Friend, you will still find the name John (as
with Dave and your own monicker Mary) relatively common in social circles
in what many people call the Western world
Amazing recovery from Mr Carl I note... I just wouldn't waste your time with
such egotistical characters Andre. They are usually just playing games for
attention (when allowed to get away with it) and aren't here to learn anything.
Not about the MOQ anyway.
I guess these type of trolls are
.
Hit a member of a rugby team
With a stick the entire team will
Stomp a mud hole in your ass and
Walk it dry.
Verbally abuse the team ship of that
Rugby team to their face, and that
Rugby team will stomp you again
And the next words you utter will be
Muffled by your own ass.
Ant McWatt comments
John Carl said to Arlo, August 26th 2014:
Arlo,
I agree that there is a fine line between a little loony and obsessively
deranged. So fine that I don't feel qualified to make the call.
One point however, LS was not formed to discuss the SOL. It was formed to
discuss Pirsig's work from
of smugness demonstrated by
Arlo, DMB, and Ant is unbecoming. There is no place for this attitude in
the high country of the mind.
Ant McWatt comments:
Mary,
Just for the record but I certainly did not mean to sound smug concerning
Bodvar's out-of-character behavior. Apologies
Ron, Dave,
I nearly forgot to say thanks for clarifying Plato's stance regarding poetry,
music, fine art etc. Like most philosophers of any standing, his philosophical
position - though often simplified for the beginner/casual reader will have
shades of grey which require going back to the
'The
Role of Evolution, Time and Order in Robert Pirsig's Metaphysics of
Quality”.' Anthony issued a revised version called The MOQ and Time
recently but I can’t find it on the web just now. This little essay also
hold some responses from RMP so I think you should have it in your
library.
Ant
Arlo,
I'm sorry to hear this about Bodvar of all people; what a drag...
Bo must be one of Pirsig's longest running (and, at one time, one of his
closest) correspondents so maybe this cyber-stalking behavior - sad to say -
is probably just early senile dementia setting in. It certainly
Dear unknown student from a remote spot of the world,
I think you have reached a point where you have to decide whether you want a
degree just for social reasons e.g. to forward a career, prestige from your
family peers etc., or primarily for intellectual reasons i.e. whether you
actually
Cheers for quoting the Captain poem of Whitman's Ron. Interesting take on it
too...
Ant
Ron Kulp quoted Walt Whitman then commented August 15th 2014:
O Captain my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I
$49.99 and the fact that the package will most certainly
guarantee a wonderful and rewarding Big Sur experience, this package is a
steal!
http://www.henrymiller.org/
-
Jan-Anders Andersson commented (to Ant McWatt) August
On Aug 11, 2014, at 7:38 PM, Ant McWatt wrote:
It's a subtle SOM habit (certainly for a Westerner) to think of rocks and
trees and all the other inorganic biological patterns as somehow being MORE
real than social intellectual patterns but Northrop shows us this is
scientifically logically
:19 PM, Ant McWatt antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
In order to keep the Good, Beauty and Love as Forms, I can certainly
understand why Plato thought that he needed to ban poets from his Republic.
Robin Williams explained this point eloquently in this clip from The Dead
Poet's Society:
https
Too right, Jan. No doubt Henry Miller's understanding of the point you explain
below is why - not at a particular young age - he ended up having the
confidence to bed the ultimate sex symbol (and er... night nurse) of his
era, Marilyn Monroe!
Best wishes,
Ant
http://moq.robertpirsig.org/
John Carl commented on Doc McWatt's Wild West post:
Sigh. Refutation of a nonsensical accusation doesn't really get anybody
anything. I'll let my record stand as told in the archives and leave this
[comment of Ant's] I skimmed read half of LILA years ago so now think I'm now
a doctorate in
Thanks for that last post Arlo and especially for that phrase shared
attention. That's a nice intellectual tool that you discovered there.
Anyway, I always tended to think until quite recently - like Dan? - that social
patterns are more ephemeral than inorganic biological patterns but, of
Jan-Anders said August 10th:
Hello Dan, and all, welcome back into the boxing ring JC!
Ant The Doc McWatt comments:
Now Jan-Anders, as a street philosopher rather than an academic
philosophologist, I never really think of MOQ Discuss as a boxing
ring but more like a Wild West Saloon Bar
In
order to keep the Good, Beauty and Love as Forms, I can certainly
understand why Plato thought that he needed to ban poets from his
Republic. Robin Williams explained this point eloquently in this clip from
The Dead Poet's
Society:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq_XBP3NrBo
RIP sweet
Dan,
That is terrible news about John Carl though I hope that he at least made his
daughter's wedding before the accident. I suppose the positive aspect about
this accident - possibly - is if this tumour is operable then it might have
saved his life (ironically). However, as Dave says, this
Dan, John C and all!
Well man... it was a dreadful flight so honey disconnect the phone...
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:04 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Jc: It has taken me a while, but I think I understand better what
James meant by immediate experience. One thing for sure,
to
examination for accuracy, and you can't conflate criticism with one step as
criticism for another (or all).
Ant McWatt comments:
John,
To add to what both DMB and Arlo have said to you, I will also remind you of
one of my favorite phrases of Pirsig's found right at the beginning of ZMM
Cheers for that Jan.
It's really heartening to read that someone somewhere has made careful and
constructive use of the various MOQ texts and papers out there especially that
1999 paper that I co-wrote with Eric Priezkalns (which is rarely mentioned).
Strangely enough, I was just speaking to
ignorance only means that
there is learning to be done. Ignorant means you need to learn or you should
learn while stupid means you cannot learn. Huge difference, like the difference
between out of shape and paralyzed or couch potato and paraplegic.
Ant McWatt comments:
EXACTLY
don't what that's
called, but it ain't the love of wisdom and I can only see the most
common and crude value in that; ego
Ant McWatt comments:
I fully agree with Dave here. I would just add that some of these latter ego
driven people primarily just like the attention. For instance, though
Nice post Ron. I'm not sure there is anything in there that - unusually - that
I'd add (or substract) from your replies to John Carl here,
Thanks for that,
Ant
On Jun 30, 2014, at 5:24 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Ron,
On 6/29/14, Ron
Hey Arlo!
Firstly, many thanks for referencing the The MOQ at Oxford DVD which, of
course, is available at all high quality websites though namely at
robertpirsig.org!
Included on Ant's DVD is a 2010 interview with Pirsig, which Ant has titled
The MOQ and Art. Here, Pirsig clarifies (again)
is left to
guess what spiritual patterns of value are...
Ant McWatt comments:
Forgive John father, for he knows not what he does.
DMB continued June 27th 2014:
...and what the source and inception of Christianity is, for example, but
your basic point is pretty clear. You are claiming
Friends, Romans, Countrymen!
I would strongly advise anyone who is thinking of starting an MOQ
reconstruction model for education that they read Everett W. Reimer's classic
text School is Dead; An Essay on Alternatives in Education BEFORE Dewey and
Freire because Reimer puts these two great
In other words...
At the treaty of Lancaster, in Pennsylvania, 1744, between the Government of
Virginia and the Six Nations, the commissioners from Virginia acquainted the
Indians by a speech, that there was at Williamsburg a college with fund for
educating Indian youth; and that if the chiefs
to
understand yours or RMPs, that's sad but it can't just be impossible.
Ant McWatt comments:
That's very generous of you Jan! As far as Pirsig's published texts and papers
go, I don't think I could divide DMB's thoughts (about the MOQ at least) from
Robert Pirsig's with a letter knife
Ron,
I haven't read The pedagogy of Oppression but judging from the article that
you linked here, Paulo Freire - as an American working class intellectual -
seemed to know what he was talking about; especially in regards to (social)
justice and the role that education has in this:
For Freire,
Jan Anders,
Thank you for the brief comment! I think you're slightly missing the point
though.
If someone asked me if I'd prefer a dentist, doctor or lawyer who takes
cannabis or LSD in the evening at home AFTER they have done their day's work,
then all things being equal, I would choose
This one is for Terence, Ken, Timothy, Bill and... very sadly... Eddie too.
The MOQ Handbook for Drugs - PART 1
So little time, so many drugs to try in one lifetime! However, the MOQ (with a
little help from Dr McWatt can assist you with this quandary) so let's go
through the main drugs
of rejecting intellect. That's your straw man,
but it doesn't look anything like me. I'm arguing a philosopher on philosophy
forum on the meaning of intellect, for goodness sake! How much more
intellect-oriented can you get?
Ant McWatt comments:
OK, I've been following most (if not all of the posts
of approaching the terminology.
[Ant McWatt comments]
I think Doorly's The Truth About Art book is not only one of the best
expostions in uncovering the numerous modern myths about Art and fine art in
the Western world, it also one of the best, if not the best, academic
explanations of the MOQ
P.S. Further to my last post forthis thread, the MOQ definition of intellect
is, of course, the LOGICAL manipulation of symbols that we find in mathematics,
the English language etc (and NOT the symbolic manipulation of symbols...
which I said in my earlier post in this thread).
Apologies for
into a social kiss-ass party. If you guys
all think that Pirsig's problems with the church of reason have just
disappeared, then give me some evidence but don't accuse me of
anti-intellectualism just because I follow Pirsig's teaching in ZAMM.
Ant McWatt comments:
And, in the last sentence, here we
, Ant McWatt antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
As usual [John] is not interested in what [I've] been saying or what Pirsig
said but just [in his own] own ego and producing more nonsense here than a
very large shed with a very large herd of cows in it with severe diarrhea...
I suppose it's just
especially about subjects
such as art and mysticism.
I'm therefore looking forward to reading Big Sur more than ever now!
Happy reading!
Ant
www.robertpirsig.org
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Ant McWatt antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Dan,
I
Ian,
Please don't worry too much about butting in here as long as you have some
substantive comments to make which is certainly the case in your last post
(pasted below). Thanks also for the link to your Perry article which I wasn't
aware of until reading your last post. I will certainly
be good.
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Ant McWatt antmcw...@hotmail.co.ukwrote:
Dear all,
I don't want to tread on Ian G's effort to get some responses he's happy
with to his thread about post-intellectualism so consider this a new
thread.
Just a quick couple of points about art
Dan,
I hadn't realised either that Henry Miller's Big Sur and the Oranges of
Hieronymus Bosch was written extensively about artists of all sorts... [and
that he claimed] even the community plumber is an artist. Reminds me a lot of
ZMM.
I, for one anyway, will be making sure to also read
Well, it looks like we're in for an intellectual treat tonight, ladies and
gentlemen, as I notice John Carl has imparted his wisdom in at least four posts
today. I wonder what words below need to be kept for posterity from one of our
great intellects of our time. Let's go and take a look:
Dear all,
I don't want to tread on Ian G's effort to get some responses he's happy with
to his thread about post-intellectualism so consider this a new thread.
Just a quick couple of points about art, artist etc. What I now find helpful
in this context when discussing the MOQ is Patrick
Dear all,
I don't want to tread on Ian G's effort to get some responses he's happy with
to his thread about post-intellectualism so consider this a new thread.
Just a quick couple of points about art, artist etc. What I now find helpful
in this context when discussing the MOQ is Patrick
No worries there Jan. Hope you have a GOOD trip!
Skål!
Ant
Jan skreved earlier today:
Thanks for the tip Ant. I'll read it tomorrow on the train. Later, or as we say
in Swedish, Sen.
Tut a l'or..
Jan-Anders
15 maj 2014 kl. 21:49 skrev Ant McWatt
Come on Arlo, let's be jolly good pragmatists here! You're not saying that
Patrck Doorly should have strictly referred to painter, sculptor,
photographer, dancer, musician etc,. individually throughout his book
when discussing the fine arts? He's nearly retired and can only type with his
Nice post Dan. Just to jump on the KINDLE bandwagon, I have just put for sale
KINDLE versions of the Pirsig PhD and the MOQ Textbook at $12 and $8
respectively rather than the the exorbitant (or to be less polite, read
rip-off) price of $34.54!
Best wishes,
Ant
For more details see:
The Research Writing of a new Sarah Vinke Biography!!!
A Joint Project of Dr Anthony McWatt, Project
Researcher Author
with Professor Henry S. Gurr, Project Director
Editor.
the original article for you.
Best wishes,
Ant
Ian Glendding asked Ant McWatt March 19th 2014:
Ant, a check,
Where does Hawking say ZMM influenced his writing of Brief History ?
(I can see he says he was flattered by the comparison.)
Ian
On Wed, Mar 19
(In the context of Stephen Hawking quoting ZMM as an inspiration for his 1988
popular science text “A Brief History of Time”) Ant McWatt referenced the
following article, March 7th 2014:
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/08/science/la-sci-sn-stephen-hawking-new-book-20130908
John Carl
to the same inane, anti-theistic vilification
I have experienced here.
Ant McWatt comments:
Maybe, it's about time the church goers got back some of their own Christian
treatment. And it isn't as if Dave Buchanan is putting you on a bonfire (or
ducking you in the nearest pond) like those dear
John Carl made a bad mouse impression to Ant McWatt, March 5th:
Eek. I've been chastised in the past for posting offline comments online,
but nothing as egregiously incendiary. John M must hold some very unpopular
views to be treated so.
Ant McWatt commented:
No John. Firstly, this off-line
have the feeling of
Being screwed when I'm being
Screwed, often it's after the fact
And I reflect, do I realize hey that
Asshole just pulled one over on me,
Then I feel injustice .
Like your last post to me.
It didn't piss me off until I thought
About it.
Ant McWatt comments:
Good for you Ron
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Ant McWatt quoted John
McConnell:
There's no point igniting a God-bomb in that
bunch of theophobes on MD.
Here at least you and I understand each other.
You know I'm not out to
evangelize you, and you are at least
RE-SEND with formatting corrected AND extra pussy... (riot) comment!
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Ant McWatt quoted John the Evangelist
McConnell:
There's no point igniting a God-bomb in that bunch of theophobes on MD.
Here at least you and I
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Ant McWatt antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Ant,
No John, I think it's you who misunderstand as regards the issue of
competition between the four different static levels (of the MOQ).
For instance, you posted SEVEN posts on MD today which breaks the social
://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/08/science/la-sci-sn-stephen-hawking-new-book-20130908
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Ant McWatt antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Ant,
No John, I think it's you who misunderstand as regards the issue of
competition between the four
John McConnell said to Ant McWatt, March 4th 2014 (off-line):
There’s no point igniting a God-bomb in that bunch of theophobes on MD. Here
at least you and I understand each other. You know I’m not out to evangelize
you, and you are at least tolerant of my faith.
Ant McWatt continues:
Well
Ant McWatt stated to John McConnell, March 4th 2014:
...to address your substantive point, do keep in mind that any values statement
based on the MOQ will also be guided by Dynamic Quality as well as intellectual
values (which, as I said in my earlier MD post) are considered as real as any
are putting MOQ into practice, making it
relevant to life. What is its relevance to personal renewal/remolding and
social transformation towards high quality living in this era of capitalist
globalization?
Ant McWatt comments:
Good question Paco!
I think any organization seeking to further
Dave,
Many thanks for forwarding the link to Michael Rosen's article Beyond
Naturalism: On Ronald Dworkin at:
www.thenation.com/article/178330/beyond-naturalism-ronald-dworkin?page=full
I found it a good overview for why SOM based metaphysical systems fundamentally
fail us morally (as regards
John Carl commented to Ant McWatt, March 3rd 2014:
Ant,
Any guy crazy enough to even think about more than one woman at a time...
I can't relate. I barely keep up with one woman and if I added another to
the mix, the old one would probably triple (or more) her aggravating-osity.
Nope, I'd
CONINUED BELOW...
Ant McWatt added to Dave Buchanan's comments, March 1st 2014:
John,
Just to be clear here, an individual in the MOQ is defined as being
composed of the four static levels, inorganic, biological, social and
intellectual.
If you equate the individual with just
other...
Ant McWatt comments:
No John, I think it's you who misunderstands as regards the issue of
competition between the four different static levels (of the MOQ).
For instance, you posted SEVEN posts on MD today which breaks the social
conventions of this discussion group (the MD rules
John Carl said to Andre, Feb 27th 2014:
I agree there is competition at all levels. I do not agree there is
competition between the levels.
Ant McWatt commented Feb 28th:
John, that doesn't ring true to me, certainly as I understand the MOQ.
PLATT HOLDEN (sorry, I meant John Carl - oops
Christ,
It's a good thing the third wife has been away this weekend at a National Guide
Dog for the Blind training school (with her new minature poodle) as she would
have realised my manic laughter caused by DMB's latest post (pasted below) was
even a little bit more manic than usual.
as collectivist ideologies. Please
notice how this reverses Pirsig's descriptions so that programs for
intellectual control are now painted as the enemy and the old social values are
thereby protected from egghead interference.
Sigh.
Ant McWatt adds to Dave's comments:
John,
Just to clear here
but respectful dialogue
between John Carl and Andre. It was courteous but passionate, interesting,
insightful, and informative. Well done, gentlemen. This is the kind of
dialogue I like to see in this forum.
Ant McWatt simply comments to John O'Connell:
CRAWLER
to dominate John... at all levels.
John Carl then said to Andre, Feb 27th 2014:
I agree there is competition at all levels. I do not agree there is
competition between the levels.
Ant Mcwatt comments:
John, that doesn't ring true to me, certainly as I understand the MOQ.
John Carl continued
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