Re: [MD] fukuoka you, world

2010-04-24 Thread Dan Glover
New Dogs, Old Tricks I don’t see many honey bees this year. I’ve read where domesticated colonies are continuing to collapse from some mystery illness researchers have yet to pinpoint... combination of things most likely. I wonder if the sickness has invaded the wild colonies too. Maybe though it

Re: [MD] Buddhism's s/o

2010-05-01 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Mary marysonth...@gmail.com wrote: My question centers around the nature of belief.  How do we become convinced?  What is necessary to achieve the state of being convinced of anything?  It seems much easier to convince a child of anything than to

Re: [MD] Buddhism's s/o

2010-05-02 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:34 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Greetings Dan, Hey Marsha Marsha: For me,  all that is known is ever-changing, dependent, impermanent patterns. Dan: Sounds good. Marsha: When I label intellectual patterns as SOM I am describing how they are

Re: [MD] Buddhism's s/o

2010-05-02 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, skut...@online.no wrote: Dan and Group. 1 May.: Mary had written: My question centers around the nature of belief.  How do we become convinced?  What is necessary to achieve the state of being convinced of anything?  It seems much easier

Re: [MD] Buddhism's s/o

2010-05-02 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Mary marysonth...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, Nice to hear from you.  Wish you would post more often. Hi Mary It's good to hear from you as well. Though I'd like to post more often, unlike John, I rarely get two hour lunches. On Behalf Of Dan

Re: [MD] Buddhism's s/o

2010-05-03 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Marsha Valkyr val...@att.net wrote: Marsha: When I label intellectual patterns as SOM I am describing how they are perceived, or how they function in consciousness.  I-spov represent reified concepts and the rules for their manipulation.  

Re: [MD] to Andre

2010-05-12 Thread Dan Glover
2010/5/12 Fam. Kintziger-Karaca kintziger_kar...@hotmail.com: Hi all, Bo, Marsha,Horse,Andre, Dmb, Arlo.. etc; FF een vraagje tussendoor ,Andre ,(als het mag), ik zag uiteraard je naam , ... en als belg dus , dacht ik meteen, hebben we hier nou  een echte Hollander.. Mijn Grootvader was een

Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

2010-06-17 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Mary marysonth...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Platt Bo, [dmb said] I mean, the analytic knife has to cut somewhere so that even the DQ/sq distinction counts as a pair of opposites. Dynamic Quality is value and thus is very easily distinguished.

Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

2010-06-18 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Mary marysonth...@gmail.com wrote: Dan throws a smoke bomb and runs for the door. Dan: We perceive Dynamic Quality all the time. And no, Platt isn't on target. Not even in the ballpark. [Mary Replies] Yes, we perceive Dynamic Quality all

Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

2010-06-18 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:24 AM, platthol...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 Jun 2010 at 0:41, Dan Glover wrote: We perceive Dynamic Quality all the time. And no, Platt isn't on target. Not even in the ballpark. Hey Dan, Good to hear from you. Hi Platt, thank you! Good to hear

Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

2010-06-20 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM, platthol...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 Jun 2010 at 15:52, Dan Glover wrote: Platt: But, with all due respect, DQ isn't something we perceive. That's SOM. Seen from the MOQ perspective DQ is the both the perceiver and the perceived prior

Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

2010-06-22 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:57 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: dmb said: .., the analytic knife has to cut somewhere so that even the DQ/sq distinction counts as a pair of opposites. Dan said: I suspect that to count it as a pair of opposites with static

Re: [MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

2010-06-22 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote: Greetings, Dan [Platt quoted]  -- On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Platt wrote: Good to hear from you. But, with all due respect, DQ isn't something we perceive. That's SOM. Seen from the MOQ perspective

[MD] Quality/Tao

2010-06-24 Thread Dan Glover
Thirty spokes meet at a nave; Because of the hole we may use the wheel. Clay is moulded into a vessel; Because of the hollow we may use the cup. Walls are built around a hearth; Because of the doors we may use the house. Thus tools come from what exists, But use from what does not.

Re: [MD] Quality/Tao

2010-06-25 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: Thirty spokes meet at a nave; Because of the hole we may use the wheel. Clay is moulded into a vessel; Because of the hollow we may use the cup. Walls are built around a hearth; Because of the doors we may use

Re: [MD] Quality/Tao

2010-06-25 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:44 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Bo said to Dan and dmb: But for Goodness sake  The MOQ does say that there is a Dynamic Quality as dynamic as dynamic comes, so why postulate another still more dynamic one that the first variety

Re: [MD] Dan's interaction on DMB's postings (et aL)

2010-06-26 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Fam. Kintziger-Karaca kintziger_kar...@hotmail.com wrote: Greet gang Dan, DMB nice , (et al) seen here sometimes , i never use it , but anyway , et all= et alli, meaning and others (alli) also spelles as LILA, try ,it contains all letters

Re: [MD] Quality/Tao

2010-06-26 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:32 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:33:40 -0500 From: daneglo...@gmail.com To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: [MD] Quality/Tao Thirty spokes meet at a nave; Because of the hole we may use the wheel.

Re: [MD] Quality/Tao

2010-06-27 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: Thirty spokes meet at a nave; Because of the hole we may use the wheel. Clay is moulded into a vessel; Because of the hollow we may use the cup. Walls are built around a hearth; Because of the doors we may use

Re: [MD] Quality/Tao

2010-06-27 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Platt Holden platthol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone Napoleon Hill wrote extensively about this in the early part of the twentieth century. One particular story

Re: [MD] Quality/Tao

2010-06-29 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Platt Holden platthol...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: You subscribe to Bodvar's SOL. You see yourself as a subject forever apart and separate from the objects of your observation. So

Re: [MD] Quality/Tao

2010-06-29 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Andre Broersen andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote: Dan to everyone: Problems are opportunities for improvement. I'd have to go back and review the archives but right off hand I don't recall any problems with Quality vs Dynamic Quality. As I said in

Re: [MD] Decision

2010-07-06 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone I think it is a shame that Bodvar is putting Horse in this position. It shouldn't happen here of all places, a forum dedicated to Quality. Where is the Quality, Bodvar, in claiming intellectual falsehoods to suit your own purposes? Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo,

Re: [MD] Transhumanism

2010-07-07 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Mary marysonth...@gmail.com wrote: What was it like for you the first time?  I bought the first book thinking I was reading just another novel, but by the end it had turned into a Holy Shit experience I didn't expect.  Caught me totally off

Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding

2010-07-08 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:21 AM, platthol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, At the risk of beating a dead horse and getting banned I offer the following Pirsig quote as further evidence that including the MOQ in the intellectual level doesn't make sense. The Metaphysics of

Re: [MD] Decision

2010-07-08 Thread Dan Glover
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Mary marysonth...@gmail.com wrote: [Matt] However, what is this line?  What actions are we talking about?  Is nobody reading the junk I wrote?  I'm saying that blaspheming against intellectual integrity doesn't to me seem easily posed as a criterion with which

Re: [MD] Intellectual honesty

2010-07-09 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:18 PM, platthol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Speaking of intellectual honesty, it seems some here are absolutely sure they know an absolute lie when they see it, and woe unto anyone who doubts their judgment. Yet, when it comes to truth on which the

Re: [MD] Side Step

2010-07-09 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Magnus Berg mcmag...@home.se wrote: Ok, ok Ian I heard you the first time, this is the 3rd. Thanks for the heads up. I honestly don't pay much attention to quotes other than their face value, so especially such personal pads on the back goes

Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding

2010-07-09 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:42 AM, platthol...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 Jul 2010 at 19:35, Dan Glover wrote: Hello everyone On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:21 AM,  platthol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, At the risk of beating a dead horse and getting banned I offer the following

Re: [MD] Intellectual honesty

2010-07-09 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:43 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Dan, That's what gets me riled. One comment. How dismissive. I worked on that manuscript for thousands of hours. And you're going to dismiss it all. Well fuck you very much. That's all I can say.

Re: [MD] Re story Dan

2010-07-09 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Fam. Kintziger-Karaca kintziger_kar...@hotmail.com wrote: Greetzz, gang QUOTE , Dan; I am all these things, sadness, madness, laughter and sorrow. All these feelings populate my mind and guide me on the way. I look back where I've been but it

Re: [MD] Side Step

2010-07-09 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:54 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Bo's clinging = fear of death. Dan comments: We're, each and every one of us, dying men and women, and we're all afraid of that dark. We can't help it. We talk to God; it doesn't help; He never answers. Not

Re: [MD] LC Comments

2010-07-10 Thread Dan Glover
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Magnus Berg mcmag...@home.se wrote: Hi Dan Dan: I am interested. Please cite the comments you have problems with and let's see if we can hash it out. Ok, I started by changing the subject, but then? Let's see... P.13 (probably 13 years ago), I was

Re: [MD] LC Comments

2010-07-10 Thread Dan Glover
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Magnus Berg mcmag...@home.se wrote: Hi Dan Dan: Let's begin by saying the levels in the MOQ are provisional... they describe reality but we won't actually find levels out there to examine and investigate. Yes we do! I have spent 13 years on and off to

Re: [MD] Intellectual honesty

2010-07-10 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Steven Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote: Hi dmb, Dan, Horse Dan said to John: I never thought Bo should be banned... dmb says: Right. Exactly. Steve: If those supporting Horse's action don't think Bo ought to be banned then I am

Re: [MD] LC Comments

2010-07-11 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Magnus Berg mcmag...@home.se wrote: Hi Dan Dan: Make it up as I go along? Come on. I thought you wanted to discuss the RMP annotations, Magnus. And here you are being a dick. Am I? I don't know. Imagine you got an old Egyptian stone tablet

Re: [MD] Intellectual honesty

2010-07-11 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Steven Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, Steve: If those supporting Horse's action don't think Bo ought to be banned then I am as confused as Matt is about what administrative action we are talking about here. I mean, yeah,

Re: [MD] Intellectual honesty

2010-07-11 Thread Dan Glover
. I neither have nor want anything to do with enforcing the rules of this forum. Thank you for the agreement, though. Dan On Behalf Of Dan Glover Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:08 PM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual honesty Hello everyone On Sat, Jul 10

Re: [MD] LC Comments

2010-07-11 Thread Dan Glover
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Horse ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote:  Hi Magnus On 11/07/2010 21:09, Magnus Berg wrote: Yes, when you start thinking in these lines, you get to a point where there's simply no way out, without adjusting the levels as described in Lila that is. Pirsig for

Re: [MD] Fear of Death

2010-07-11 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone Hey, John... first of all, thanks for the story. Myself, I don't believe in God. I don't not-believe in God either, though. You see, this I that I'm so free with, well, I can't find it, anywhere. Believe me, I've looked on mountain tops and in temples. But there is nothing here

Re: [MD] LC Comments

2010-07-12 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Magnus said to Dan: Of course the MoQ isn't reality itself, it's an intellectual pattern that describes reality in much the same way a physical formula does. However, in the same way a physical

Re: [MD] Why isn't the hot stove obvious?

2009-12-14 Thread Dan Glover
Hello Mary It's very nice to hear from you again. I remember enjoying your posts a great deal and I miss your father's good sense. I see you've received some great answers already to your very good questions. Everyone comes at life from their own perspective, of course, so there are as many

Re: [MD] Misanthropic Cheese for Xmas

2009-12-17 Thread Dan Glover
I go away every year after the holidays. I drive 2 days to reach the mountains, then park and walk. Hunting season's over by then and I'm as alone as I want to be. I am the cheese. I used to drink a great deal. I'd start in the morning and wouldn't quit until I fell unconscious. One morning I

Re: [MD] Misanthropic Cheese for Xmas

2009-12-18 Thread Dan Glover
Hi Caig Thank you for the kind words. My work on LILA'S CHILD was more on the editing end, so technically I haven't written a book. Yet. I'm putting together a collection of short stories. It may be ready for publication next year. Unlike some here, I have no compunction whatsoever in making a few

Re: [MD] Misanthropic Cheese for Xmas

2009-12-18 Thread Dan Glover
Hi Mary Thank you. I don't contribute often but I do enjoy reading the posts each morning. I find by not responding that I tend to read more deeply than if I am thinking of what to say. From time to time I find I have some generally insignificant words to add and it's gratifying that someone

Re: [MD] The American Ruling Class

2009-12-20 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Mary Clark marysonth...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, The other day I responded to Platt by saying that we are not as free as we think we are. Hi Mary If you don't mind me asking... free to do what? Mary: Surely this is not the forum to

Re: [MD] The American Ruling Class

2009-12-22 Thread Dan Glover
Hi Mary Actually I do have a tv. My daughter and son in law thought I was in need and bought me one 2 years ago. No cable or satellite though. I tried to get a premium movie channel but the cable company told me I had to have a basic package first. Why? I don't want a basic package! All I want

Re: [MD] The MOQ and religions.

2009-12-28 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning Marsha, John earlier: Experience can't be what you describe, either unpatterned or without staticity.  The very defining of experience requires a static pattern in order to be experienced.

Re: [MD] The MOQ and religions.

2009-12-29 Thread Dan Glover
of the above' type of  answer, one I cannot help but admire.   What do you think? Marsha On Dec 28, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Dan Glover wrote: Hello everyone On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning Marsha, John earlier: Experience can't be what you

Re: [MD] The MOQ and religions.

2009-12-29 Thread Dan Glover
From: Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 6:11:44 AM Subject: Re: [MD] The MOQ and religions. Hey Marsha I recall that Mr. Pirsig's answer here tied together many loose ends for me at the time. It is a simple yet elegant explanation

[MD] Subjects, Objects, and Santa Claus

2009-12-30 Thread Dan Glover
I've been thinking in terms of value for some years now. There are no subjects and objects. They're only a convenient fiction, something we're taught to believe our whole life. This teaching runs very deep... just look at the energy Bo has expended over the years perpetuating that belief through

Re: [MD] What I got for Xmas

2009-12-31 Thread Dan Glover
Oh my yes good x-mas presents for sure... 'specially the speedos. Wow. Way cool. But can you carry that big ol' book around in your pocket? I bet not... and I'm sorry but something tells me you're not going to impress the chicks with what's in it either... maybe put them to sleep though. All I

Re: [MD] Contentment - the enemy

2010-01-01 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 2:27 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Marsha, Happy new Calendar Year, Marsha: Love to hear  some plains talk on this post.  What is your objection? John: It's hard to conjure up any real objection to contentment, or any real longing for

Re: [MD] What I got for Xmas

2010-01-01 Thread Dan Glover
over my shoulder. Gimmee your address and I'll send you a better present than a bottle you can't drink or a book you can't read. Contentedly yours, John On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Oh my yes good x-mas presents for sure... 'specially the speedos

Re: [MD] Seriously, Dan

2010-01-02 Thread Dan Glover
asshole On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: [Dan] Try believing now that the world is composed of value. The world is an idea. It is like plastic... as soft and as pliable as your thoughts... take it and mold it any way you want. All you have to do is believe -

Re: [MD] What Bo Doesn't Get

2010-01-02 Thread Dan Glover
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: [Steve] The intellectual level of evolution is the collection of all intellectual patterns of value. [Krimel] Exactly! Dan: Not exactly. Evolution isn't a level, is it? Evolution is what drives the levels. Evolutionary history

Re: [MD] Seriously, Dan

2010-01-02 Thread Dan Glover
believe in such tripe as free will.  Changed your mind have you?  Think you're real yet? Just wonderin' innocent bystander John On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: asshole Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org

Re: [MD] What Bo Doesn't Get

2010-01-03 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: [Steve] The intellectual level of evolution is the collection of all intellectual patterns of value. [Krimel] Exactly! [Dan:] Not exactly. Evolution isn't a level, is it? Evolution is what drives the levels.

Re: [MD] What Bo Doesn't Get

2010-01-03 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Steven Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: [Steve] The intellectual level of evolution

Re: [MD] What Bo Doesn't Get

2010-01-03 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:45 PM, KAYE PALM-LEIS mkp...@wildblue.net wrote: Krimel [Krimel] So you agree that DQ is simply change and uncertainty? Mati: Well more like I don't think we are at point to argue this point. Dan: Dynamic Quality can be change and it's motis operandi

Re: [MD] Seriously, Dan

2010-01-03 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:55 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: [Dan] Krimel is an old friend. My 'asshole' statement had more to do with his rebuttal to my original statement than to him personally. I

Re: [MD] Seriously, Dan

2010-01-03 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:41 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Dan: This is all true. So. Do you believe that reality as you understand it to be is something solid and separate from you

Re: [MD] Intellectual and Social

2010-01-04 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Steve, On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Steven Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.comwrote: Hi John, For the following, I do like Steve's formulation mostly.  I think he's missing key pieces

Re: [MD] What Bo Doesn't Get

2010-01-04 Thread Dan Glover
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: [Krimel] Evolution doesn't drive anything. It is a description of how patterns adapt in response to change, flux, uncertainty; in other words dynamic quality. Evolution is a reflexive process where the output of one cycle

Re: [MD] What Bo Doesn't Get

2010-01-05 Thread Dan Glover
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:24 PM, KAYE PALM-LEIS mkp...@wildblue.net wrote: Dan, It is good to hear from you. And from you all well, Mati. Dan: Dynamic Quality can be change and it's motis operandi is uncertainty but I don't agree with Krimel's statement. Too vague. Mati: Again I feel DQ

Re: [MD] Seriously, Dan

2010-01-05 Thread Dan Glover
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: Dan: This is all true. So. Do you believe that reality as you understand it to be is something solid and separate from you as an individual? [Krimel] Reality as I understand it is a set of concepts I have acquire over the

Re: [MD] What is the oppostite of Quality?

2010-01-05 Thread Dan Glover
Hi Andre What a great quote! I remember thinking what a treasure trove I'd received from Robert Pirsig when he first sent me his annotations. Each one seemed like a little gold nugget to be secretly hoarded. But then I thought how much others would enjoy them too. Thanks for reminding me of that

Re: [MD] Seriously, Dan

2010-01-06 Thread Dan Glover
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Krimel kri...@krimel.com wrote: [Krimel] Reality as I understand it is a set of concepts I have acquired over the course of a lifetime of being in the world. [Craig]. So is English as you understand it, a set of concepts you have acquired over the course of

Re: [MD] What is the oppostite of Quality?

2010-01-06 Thread Dan Glover
chaos A new branch of science that deals with systems whose evolution depends very sensitively upon the initial conditions. Turbulent flows of fluids (such as white water in a river) and the prediction of the weather are two areas where chaos theory has been applied with some success.

Re: [MD] Tail of the Cornball Hitch Hiker

2010-01-11 Thread Dan Glover
For John, You don't do any one thing. That's cornball style. When we first meet people invariably ask what I do. I know what they mean. They expect a stock answer so I give them one. Maybe I'll say I'm a real estate Broker. I might tell them I fix motorcycles. It doesn't matter as long as it

[MD] Apache Nation

2010-02-04 Thread Dan Glover
Apache Nation And if you take a sheep and put it up at the timberline at night when the wind is roaring, that sheep will be panicked half to death and will call and call until the shepherd comes, or comes the wolf. (ZMM) At the end of a mountain-shadowed dirt road there's a dusty round-a-bout

Re: [MD] Apache Nation

2010-02-04 Thread Dan Glover
Hi Lu Thank you! I enjoyed your story too. But I was really pulling for you to be on the right road. Darn. Dan On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Louise Pryor bypryordes...@gmail.com wrote: Wow... Excellent story, Dan, thank you. Lu On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Dan Glover daneglo

Re: [MD] Capitalism: my experience

2010-02-21 Thread Dan Glover
gav, you're always gonna get that stupid shit from people... you need to work for money cuz its more efficient. the money has nothing to do with it! a person needs to work to survive, nothing more. good for you. i think it's awesome you can do what you're doing. myself, i've been self employed

Re: [MD] Capitalism: my experience

2010-02-21 Thread Dan Glover
--- On Mon, 22/2/10, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism: my experience To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Received: Monday, 22 February, 2010, 11:27 AM gav, you're always gonna get that stupid shit from people... you need

Re: [MD] Capitalism: my experience

2010-02-23 Thread Dan Glover
Hi Ham, John, Arlo, and all... Back in 1998, Bodvar Skutvik asked me if I thought it possible to put the old Lila Squad archives into some kind of coherent format. I told him: No. Absolutely not. But we all know Bodvar... he is nothing if not persistent. He asked me again and again, I told him:

Re: [MD] Capitalism: my experience

2010-02-24 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote: Greetings, Dan -- Thank you for taking the time to chronicle the story of LILA'S CHILD.  Since Lila's Squad predates my history with the MD, I never quite understood how this book came about.  You've now

Re: [MD] The Intellectual Level of Quality, according to Mark

2010-02-24 Thread Dan Glover
Dear Mary Thank you for the terrible tale. I didn't like reading it but I had to, over and over. Later, I did a prayer for you during afternoon meditation. Still later... this story appeared on the monitor. I don't recall writing it so perhaps it belongs to you... Walking on Clouds... After we

Re: [MD] The Intellectual Level of Quality, according to Mark

2010-02-27 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Mary: Those who know me keep saying I should write a book, because I have a book worth of ideas to write about. John: I agree you should write.  I like reading your words, and I'm picky. Mary: I

Re: [MD] The Intellectual Level of Quality, according to Mark

2010-02-27 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 2:18 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: [snip] Sure, we tend to like the people who agree with us but that's just the ego's satisfaction, not the intellect's. Given that this is supposed to be a place to discuss metaphysics, to debate

Re: [MD] The Intellectual Level of Quality, according to Mark

2010-03-03 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:31 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: dmb said: Given that this is supposed to be a place to discuss metaphysics, to debate philosophical issues, all this other stuff seems like a distraction. To be honest, I don't really care if that

Re: [MD] The Level of Intellectual Quality

2010-03-05 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:23 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Dan: I understand. Something of substance stands on its own. I have to say I was a bit shocked that in one of his posts John referred to American Idol in regards to my writings, as if I'm trying to one-up

Re: [MD] The Intellectual Level of Quality, according to Mark

2010-03-05 Thread Dan Glover
of it... For those of you who missed it: --(cut - paste)--- From: Dan Glover daneglo...@hotmail.com To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 02:01:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [MD] (no subject) Driving down the road one day, in a hurry as usual, I caught sight of a sign just as I passed

Re: [MD] The Level of Intellectual Quality

2010-03-10 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Louise Pryor bypryordes...@gmail.com wrote: The only person I can change is myself... BUT, *I* cannot change me all by myself. The only way I can change, grow, become better, is by listening to the input of others, people I like and respect,

Re: [MD] Stuck on a Torn Slot

2010-12-02 Thread Dan Glover
Soul as a Verb I have some extra parts left over. The old boy whom I hired to rebuild carburetors for me seemed perplexed. Call him Ed. I explained that the kit was made for several different makes and that was why he ended up with seeming extra parts. At least I hoped that was why. I have to

Re: [MD] Stuck on a Torn Slot

2010-12-05 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:20 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Dan: I don't think you're being particularly careless about people or bad with people. It's just that being polite or nice isn't always the most appropriate reaction. If you're paying money to the

Re: [MD] Sex, Rape and Law in a MOQ

2010-12-05 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Horse ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote: Hi Marsha Or how about sex is one method by which the means of reproduction is achieved - there are other methods of reproduction. And, often, we get to sex by the social 'dance' - literally in some cases! The

Re: [MD] Sex, Rape and Law in a MOQ

2010-12-05 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:05 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Dan, It's words, their definitions and connotations, that were are using nothing physical. Dan: Yes, Words are how we express value. They are not the value they express. Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list

Re: [MD] Are We A Cult Now ?

2010-12-07 Thread Dan Glover
Nah. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:31 AM, David Thomas combinedeffo...@earthlink.net wrote: Yup. On 12/7/10 3:47 AM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-12-07/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.

Re: [MD] Philosophy and Abstraction

2010-12-08 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:33 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say they'd also articulated a certain stubbornly obtuse evasion of sincere philosophical discussion, Matt. Their I wasn't being too faithful and their non-language an expression of not I - as in, who

Re: [MD] Philosophy and Abstraction

2010-12-09 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I assure you that I'm being sincere when I say the only reality I can ever experience  meaningfully is through a narrative of relative concepts- which is what language is and thus it seems to me, the

Re: [MD] Kung Fu and the MOQ

2010-12-09 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Jan-Anders janander...@telia.com wrote: I may be fooled by my Kung Fu teacher who come directly from the shao lin temple, but his interpretation of Kung Fu is very much hard work done. Dan: The Grandmaster told us that Kung Fu was originally

Re: [MD] Thus spoke Lila

2010-12-12 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Horse [Tim mentioned] -- Horse: '=' in the sense that Quality = Reality is saying that they are the same thing. If I refer to Venus, the Morning Star or the Evening Star by saying Venus = Morning Star

Re: [MD] Philosophy and Abstraction

2010-12-13 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:58 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Dan and everyone, john prev: I assure you that I'm being sincere when I say the only reality I can ever experience  meaningfully is through a narrative of relative concepts- which is

Re: [MD] Philosophy and Abstraction

2010-12-14 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:41 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Dan and Matt, I was reading along Matt's response to dmb in this thread and I came across this: -- Matt: I could hardly take the idea that Rorty articulates the slogan it's language all the

Re: [MD] Three Hot Stoves

2010-12-19 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:58 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Something has bothered me quite a bit for a long time, and I'm gonna fumble through an analogy of sitting on a hot stove in three different environments, in order to get at the conceptualization (of

Re: [MD] Three Hot Stoves

2010-12-19 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:46 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Dan. Dan: You're missing the whole point, John. The hot stove analogy is meant to show experience BEFORE conceptualization. That's what I was trying to tell you when you were going on about

Re: [MD] Three Hot Stoves

2010-12-19 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:31 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, Dan, On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: You're framing this intellectually and logically but you're missing the Dynamic issues that RMP is attempting to bring

Re: [MD] Three Hot Stoves

2010-12-20 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:04 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Salutations Dan and all, John:  Without this meaning, there is no experience. If a tree falls in the forest, without a hearer, then it makes no sound, is what I claim. Dan: How do you know?

Re: [MD] Three Hot Stoves

2010-12-20 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:55 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Dan: From LILA: Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, the source of all things, completely simple and always

Re: [MD] Three Hot Stoves

2010-12-21 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:28 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Mornin' Dan, John prev. Sound is defined by the physical impact of waves in a medium (air) upon an eardrum.  Without an eardrum, there may be (and probably is) some sort of phenomenon but it can't be

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