And while we ban coffee per Dan McGrath, we should not forget about chocolate
since it has many of the same compounds as coffee. But on a more serious
note, we could probably be number one if we didn't have so many fat and
sedentary
folks, smokers or not, in the state as the press release
I was pretty upset about MN Daily columnist John Hoff's treatment of CM Paul
Zerby; so upset that I read the rest of his columns, something I recommend to
anyone else who is upset—his work speaks for itself. IMHO, there are many more
terrible things about which to be upset than what this man
Neal E. Simons writes:
The University Avenue S.E. routing of LRT is a
bad idea because it would increase neighborhood
traffic and parking problems and would cause
a physical division of the Prospect Park
neighborhood. Also, the University Avenue
routing might cause the loss of our
David Strand asks:
What impact does this have in Minneapolis?
What is the proposed path of the light rail in South
East, around campus and into downtown?
Does it hook up with the existing rail line before
coming downtown?
Bill Kahn racks his poor memory:
Impacts could be good or bad depending
Neal (got the spelling right this time) Simons says:
It seems that only part of my original posting
(please see below) has been commented on and
then only ineffectively. I should add that Commissioner
McLaughlin, to my knowledge, has not indicated
any change in his determination to trash
Ed Felien writes:
It doesn't make sense to tear up University and make it as unsafe as
Hiawatha now is. How
many lives have already been lost to the Hiawatha Line? How many students
and neighbors will be killed by a high speed train racing through the
University and Prospect Park?
Like
How can they possibly hope to compete with Hooters?
Bill Kahn
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megan goodmundson writes:
Peter's supporters can repute how or why [the mayor] got the endorsement,
but the bottom line is the Sierra Club endorsed [the mayor] and not Peter.
Slice
and dice however you want. [The mayor] was endorsed by the Sierra Club.
Bill Kahn whines for the last time on
Neil Simons writes:
So far there have been only three responses to my
posting Rybak takes the high road. One indicated
a need for a remedial reading refresher in that it referred
to noncomments of mine. What was left were rebuttals
about the Sierra Club, re: Also, Mayor Rybak has been
My apologies for my poorly edited post; I've made some changes below to make
it more consistent and even ran a spell check. And to make it even more
redundant, I'll say it again; Peter McLaughlin.
Neil Simons writes:
So far there have been only three responses to my
posting '[the mayor]
Surprise, surprise; but I see things a little differently than my neighbor
Neal E. Simons.
If the mayor took the high road at any point in last night's debate televised
on KSTP TV, it got by me. Most of the mayor's time was spent in feeble
attempts to make a silk purse purse out of a sow's
I'm not certain who all the big numbers of Nicollet Island residents are
whose posts George Jannsen is so tired of reading; I haven't gone back to the
archives to count, but my recollection is only four, perhaps five very
knowledgeable posters listing a Nicollet Island location. Most of the
Wizard Marks writes:
Several park boards and other public entities, have never
guarded Nicollet Island as park space. It's a joke to pretend that the
island is a park.
I would feel much better about the park reformers if I had heard them
point out how little park there truly is on Nicollet
To read Dottie Titus' description of the MPRB building and grounds, I am not
certain I really visited the place last June; the view is nice and the
facilities are more than adequate, but I can't share the other good feelings
knowing
what it cost in light of today's shortfalls.
Shawne
Having subjected myself to more than one MPS board meeting, I must thank
Sarah Greenfield for this thread and her report on Tuesday's meeting and her
own
thoughts for providing a greater voice from the public to the board. Public
meetings can be pretty exasperating and more so as the issues
I thought I would report on a few Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board
issues that I was reminded of last night by a visit by MPRB Member Walter
Dziedzic
to a pitifully small meeting of a nonprofit organization that I have been
associated almost as long as I've lived in Minneapolis.
The
Of the three references that Michael Atherton lists, two come from the
National Home Education Research Institute and the other I must go to the
library to
read. Actually I must read all three at the library because as Atherton
points out, one is a summary and in reading the pdf of the other,
My apologies to the list and Madeline Douglass for attributing her post on
this threat to Margaret Hastings and as long as I'm posting on it again, thanks
to Michael Atherton for his off-list comments to me--very helpful indeed.
Bill Kahn
Prospect Park
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How about a local chain? The Green Mill in Uptown does not deliver to
addresses in Mpls north of I94 and the one in St. Paul does not go anywhere in
Mpls
creating a huge dead spot for the chain. I think new franchises are built
around on site brewing similar to Town Hall and Rock Bottom, both
Michael Atherton says:
Actually, I was teaching our children about Mexico and
thought it would be fun for them to hear a Mariachi
band (not to mention getting to try out a new restaurant),
but then Mr. Kahn doesn't think very much of
homeschooling either. :-|
Bill Kahn responds:
Cultural
The bias suggested by Michael Atherton is ridiculous. I simply responded to
his request for good Mexican restaurants in S. Minneapolis with Mariachi music
on weekends. Mariachi music typically is played by males recounting some
romantic adventure gone very wrong, but is probably a step above
I really gotta try some of those restaurants Barb Lickness recommended.
I stand by my Mariachi opinions, even after going to the web site Michael
Atherton listed.
As far as homeschooling socialization goes, I found Atherton's web addresses
less than convincing.
Michael Atherton states:
Here
I ate at El Taquito in West St. Paul a few weeks ago; I tried beef tongue for
the first time, and it was pretty good. I've been to several places on Lake
St. and I've liked them all in spite of being born and raised in Los Angeles
where I frequented many Mom'n'Pop style Mexican restaurants on
Michael Bischoff asks:
Have others seen the small blimp/balloon that has been hovering around
downtownMinneapolis for the last few days? Does someone know who is doing it?
It
appears to be some kind of advertisement, but I'm not sure what it is for.
The blimp has been one of the
David Strand asks:
So, for the edification of us all, I'd like to hear,
outside of the context of this campaign, what are
listmembers perceptions relative to color based bias
in Minneapolis? How much of a problem is it and what
can or is being done about it in our community?
I'm tempted to be
Peter Vevang is mistaken in quoting Loki Anderson. Mr. Anderson inexplicably
reposted Gary Hoover's post in it's entirety twice with no additional
commentary. I agree with Vevang that supporting farmers going into ethanol is
important and the right thing to do, but add that we may have passed
Wizard Marks posted this bet on Monday (exchange pasted below); I'm uncertain
what she means by this two weeks statement unless someone suggested that
the FBI would indict Dean Zimmerman two weeks before the election. Now
hopefully
when one practices brevity in posts, it results in some bit of
Rybak or McLaughlin: both will see that new unsustainable boondoggles
(sports stadia and lots more roads) are built while vital sustainable
infrastructure, education,, shelter and health issues are neglected. We
need to go in a radically different direction than we are. Neither of the
DFL
Wizard Marks bets:
My bet is that four or five days before the November election, the FBI
will put an indictment on the table. Any takers?
I'd take that bet, but since the FBI never brings indictments, I'll give
Wizard a break. This one is pretty much up to the US Attorney to do.
Bill Kahn
Ron Leurquin to Andy Driscoll:
Most of the time I feel as you do about single issue voters.
Maybe I could ask my question in a different way for you to get my
point.
What makes Peter a better choice for mayor than RT?
What makes RT a better choice for mayor than Peter?
I am having a hard time
Eva Young wrote:
Does anyone else find it rather bizzarre that the same Green Party
activists who are so appalled by the anti-gay behavior of a Peter McLaughlin
campaign
volunteer towards Farheen Hakeem (even though Peter posted on the list that
this behavior didn't represent his campaign,
I'll concede that we're not going to take the profits (and the killing) out
of the illicit drug trade without getting the Feds on board, but until that
happens, we have to do something. I'd like the list to consider a Force 5
Hurricane analogy; since the udder night, Dubya seems more than
Dean E. Carlson writes:
And the silence you hear is Peter McLaughlin and his supporters...
I can't see how McLaughlin spins the primary election in a positive
manner. He had the momentum coming out of the convention and then
loses by 10 points. Also David's Ward analysis shows that again RT
Mark Hanson asks:
I'm not going to single out any particular candidate or party, because I've
heard many people do this...
Why is there so much talk about Minneapolis schools in the mayoral and city
council races? We had a school board election in 2004. It's understandable
that many voters
Gee, from reading Jim's post I guess I have to watch the news tonight; I
expect just as murky a story about Dean Zimmerman's misfortunes as ever until
all
the facts are in. You can ask for apologies again and again, but I can't see
how these Zimmerman posts are of any use to the list until we
NRP, MCDA, Minneapolis Planning, the present CPED, and the confused state of
land use planning in Minneapolis have long been topics of interest to me. I
don't think we've improved anything. I love NRP for the engagement and
creativity it has brought to city government, but I've always had
Mark Snyder suggests a proposed development near his neighborhood rather than
one in the Southeast Industrial Area that I described:
Projects like the industrial area surrounded by my neighborhood, SE Como,
Marcy Holmes and the U got short shrift for quite some time because of a
narrow,
It is titled: Building the New Minneapolis with Leadership. Vision.
Results.
Perhaps RT could try building the New New Orleans instead while we continue
tweaking the old Minneapolis?
Bill Kahn
Prospect Park
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I've been looking at the same report that Ken Bradley reports on in this
thread, and paid a bit more attention to the bottom line. The contributors
listed
are those that gave over a $100 and account for around half of McLaughlin's
money; so my name, occupation (Taxicab Driver), and $100
Mark Snyder says:
Just look at all the new development that has gotten underway during the
Rybak administration. You've got the Sears project, the not one, but three
grocery stores scheduled to open downtown and without subsidies for any of
them (for how long did we hear that was impossible?) and
I'm pretty much dead set against military recruitment using any sort of
records other than a draft registry. When I was in high school and registered
for
the draft the Vietnam War was winding down, so I was in no real danger of being
drafted even though my random sequence number was 001.
This forum like the op ed pages of most newspapers is is full of the
baloney
of hacks, spin masters and lobbyists from the oil, coal, nuclear and auto
industry. The logorhea that recently trashed solar energy was a prime
example, says Don Johnson, Candidate for Mayor.
I protest, I
Sometimes folks don't realize the limitations of both politicians and
government; it is best that these folks don't get into public service any time
soon.
I won't name names, although since I'm responding to Don Johnson's redundant
post, I'll mention just one who I believe should not pursue a
Don Johnson wrote:
We can serve inmates mostly vegetarian meals and save millions, reduce
pollution and greenhouse gasses, prevent high blood pressure and
cholesterolemia
which costs us millions in medical costs.
To which Tom Ismond responded:
This would be great if the inmates were cows or
Ya know, given the number of posts and their respective topics on the Park
Board over the years, the creation and continuing work of Park Watch, and the
large amount of coverage in the news media; it is a wonder to me that the State
of Minnesota has not become involved at all. MCLU/ACLU aside
Arthur T. Himmelman suggests:
I realize that this may be an unrealistic request, but I am wondering if
anyone would like to try to do more of what Jon Stewart asked of CNN's
Crossfire
crowd: Would you analyze, discuss, and debate the substantive issues of the
politics that you are discussing
I gotta say I resent Keith Reitman's post describing the DFL as a Machine.
Although I'm a transplanted California Democrat, a good part of my family roots
go back to Chicago where there really was a Democratic Party Machine. In the
light of Chicago Democratic politics of yesteryear, calling the
Thanks to Annie Young for raising this issue to MPRB and staff, for
correcting me on Vivian Mason's motion regarding John Gurban, and for another
example
of why I never volunteer to take minutes except in dire circumstances.
Having said that, I can't readily agree with Dann Dobson about the
cont'd:
I can't pass you a hot dog in a paper boat without a permit according to this
rule. I can't do many of the things most of us take for granted as rights in
other parts of this country in Mpls Parks because it purportedly would disturb
the tranquility park visitors might enjoy otherwise;
Last night I finally got the '01 MPRB approved policy on constitutionally
protected speech at the MPRB meeting, and I am less certain of the
unconstitutionality of the document than I was before I was able to read it
(always the
main issue for me). I can't help but think that if the regulation
Apologies if I missed it in the Stone/Gurban blizzard, but can someone post
the Park Board's permitting policy for campaigns (helpfully referred to in
Craig Cox's insta-report today...)?
This would be a useful document for further list discussion ...
David Brauer
List manager
It certainly
I haven't given up yet on trying to find documents outlining MPRB policy and
rules regarding political campaigning and/or free speech. I have a call in to
Walt Dziezic whose voice mail message tells you how to spell his name. I
talked to a courteous receptionist at the MPRB office who drew the
In regard to Jason C. Stone's comments regarding free speech in public
hearings of the MPRB, the ordinance section (from Chap. 2) that I cited (and
Scott
Vreeland as well I see in reading back on this topic) would be irrelevant; that
chapter addresses activities in the parks. Open meetings of
To drive home Randall Cutting's point:
PB2-19. Parades, entertainments, public meetings, etc. Bands, processions,
parades, military displays, entertainments, exhibitions, public meetings and
constitutionally protected expressions shall be allowed, given or held in the
parks subject to the
I don't know about Jim Graham's Mpls stadium casino, but I was thinking that
we should have Minneapolis Skyway Slots maintained by the MN State Lottery
from a downtown skyway storefront office. We could have slots near all the
hotels on the skyway and perhaps even the Twins stadium, should that
You know when all this hoopla over opening HOV lanes for a fee came up, I
suggested via the Strib that it be done by lottery; of course they never
published it. I still think the MN Pass program would be much better as a
lottery.
Bill Kahn
Prospect Park
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The problem in voting with your feet as opposed to various ballot forms,
hand, or voice votes is that they so often wind up in your mouth.
Bill Kahn
Prospect Park
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I woke up around 2:30 a.m., the usual time for me, and did my best to get a
bit more sleep. I gave up at around 4:30, showered, shaved, ate my only meal
until around 7 p.m., drank coffee, read stuff, gathered my stuff, walked the
couple of miles to Augsburg College, and arrived shortly after 8
As a DFL delagate to the city convention this Saturday and a long time Sierra
Club member (although I have found it difficult to support state and local
chapter positions at times; this doesn't help), I found Ken Bradley's long and
poorly edited insinuation about Peter McLauglin's campaign
Dan McGrath says:
Electric cars still have to get their power from *somewhere* Right now,
that's nuclear and coal power. Adding another huge consumer of electricity
to our outdated grid would mean we have to build another power plant, and
all the greenies who want electric cars would have
Becca Vargo Daggett writes:
Can we stick with optical scanners and use IRV?
My understanding is that San Francisco had significant problems
implementing IRV because of voting machine and paper audit trail issues.
Bill Kahn responds:
Up until recently, most California counties used the infamous
Aside from the shock and pleasure that comes with my agreement with certain
folks on the list with whom I don't normally agree, it seems like we've not
tread any new ground in any of these exchanges. I'd like to explore just how
Minneapolis can legally declare certain areas of the city as
Mark Snyder has made some pretty darn good points. Although I still think the
City of Minneapolis must look far closer into the geology and hydrology of
various properties here than they apparently did in planning the new fees and
must also be more proactive in providing help to residents to
In my posts on Stormwatergate, I mischaracterized those writings of Jim
Graham and Nick Coleman on the topic in addition to committing an inadvertant
double negation. I also stretched the patience and credulity of the list and
list
manager in persisting on what in the context of the topic,
Pardon my poor editing again. In my apology, I should have said that my
attacks on Coleman and Graham related to the storm water topic constituted a
Straw
Man fallacy. And here's some more.
Given that we haven't heard much from municipal government on this topic,
presumably folks there are
I was reworking a post that was rejected from the list but copied to Jim
Graham when I got this latest response from to it posted to the list. My post
WAS
fairly unkind to both Mr. Graham and Nick Coleman, especially since I was in
substantial agreement with both of them on the Stormwatergate
Oops! Graham's posted again, the sly devil. Seems I can't match his speed and
intensity on the issues.
Bill Kahn
Prospect Park
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Dean Carlson writes:
Coleman's article also highlighted another absurdity with
stormwatergate and that is the information on how to reduce the amount
of drainage from your lot. The information is appropriate for a
developer of a new subdivision or a large lot apartment building but
I'm sorry, an
Michael Atherton states:
As for theories of evolutionary basis for rape, I think
that the case is overstated. If given the opportunity,
some men will participate in forced intercourse, but many,
if not most, will not. Very few men are predatory rapists.
I also think that the rape statistics
It may be of interest to those who came in late, that the rape topic
originally came up when a member suggested that the smoking ban would result in
more
cases of sexual assaults on women smokers who he posited would leave their
drinks unattended to go for a smoking break thus making it easier
Jim Graham writes:
Stranger forcible rape is one of the most heinous of all crimes for human
kind. It robs women of the security to act as free human beings. It robs a
woman of a normal fear free life for years afterward, and it robs all her
acquaintances and women family members of that same
Michael Atherton writes of my apology:
Oh? I wasn't aware of it. Is it on the List?
Bill Kahn replies:
Yes, it was on the list. Michael must have missed it; perhaps because of some
filter to his perception and/or memory of the list contents or because it was
a post script to a post
Thanks to Jim Graham for addressing Michael Atherton's latest PPERRIA NRP
screed, but I feel that I should, at the risk of being corrected again, point
out
that the primary issue on which Atherton entered the realm of PPERRIA was a
property tax assessment for most of the cost of a Phase I
Ya know I wasn't going to weigh in on this again even though the start of the
ban in Minneapolis makes it a current list topic again, but this notion of
smokers as minorities irks me. I won't get into the interesting historical and
behavioral angle highlighted in the exchanges of Michael
Michael Atherton wrote:
The Children's Museum
moved to St. Paul.
Bill Kahn corrects:
The Children's Museum has always been in St. Paul near Como Park. It moved
from Bandana Square where my niece and I frequently loitered in the Habitot,
to Downtown where it is much more convenient for those
John Edwards was certainly right when he talked about two Americas, but I
don't think he defined them correctly. There is the United States of Delusion
that corresponds roughly to Red states, and then there are the United States
of
America, or reality if you prefer. Doubtless there are some
Ya know, when I throw out a hairbrained solution to stadiums on the
Mississippi River, they are usually workable, i.e., method in madness. When
this issue
came up the last time, I suggested a DeLaSalle football field on a barge or
perhaps several barges. David Shove suggests that one be built
Much has been said in past exchanges on the list about the effects of IRV on
plurality victories; a victory is a victory says many a party stalwort (did
I spell that right; I wouldn't want to be accused of describing some sort of
partisan plant of some type), but with IRV, a victor of
David Finke Respectfully writes:
I don't care about the poster's spelling or grammar but I do
take strong issue with his faulty reasoning.
We can argue the risks and benefits of the various versions of
IRV on their merits but casting aspersions upon someone taking an
opposing position
Ya know, perhaps these 3'x3' stations are meant to be part of the upper
levels of new or retrofitted buildings along Lake Street? I can see these
supplementing the larger and more conventional stations I remember from Ed
Anderson's
PRT concept that I remember from years ago. I can even see
Loki Anderson writes:
I wonder if anyone has thought about proposing a
resolution to vote on at the Ward 2 DFL convention
opposing the Prospect Park-East River Road Improvement
Association's discriminatory membership practices. I
think it would be entirely appropriate for the party
to go on
For those with nothing better to do, HF1174 is the last thing up at the
following committee meeting:
WEDNESDAY, March 16, 2005
12:30 PM
Meeting Time Note: If necessary, the Committee will recess and
reconvene at 4:30pm in Rm 500 South to complete the agenda.
Committee: Local Government
Room: 10
Eva Young writes:
This IRV idea for local party conventions sounds rather wacky to me. It's
much more difficult for tellers to count votes with an IRV situation than
counting for traditional ballots without the rankings. There's also much
more room for counting errors.
Bill Kahn, confused as
My first and last ward endorsing convention put me off a bit. I can't
remember the number of ballots (few), but I do remember what happened between
last two votes: An assistant to the incumbent CP handed her cell phone to the
lowest vote getter, he listened to it, then proceeded to throw
Ken Bearman writes:
A concise, clear explanation showing how IRV works is at the beginning of
the page at http://www.fairvotemn.org/resources/tools/irvprimer_11142002.html ,
followed by a brief discussion of its merits and how it fits in Minnesota.
Bill Kahn adds:
And for a general primer on
David Finke writes:
I was curious about the identity of the anonymous group.
Could you let us know? I've run across several versions
of IRV, some fair, some resulting in distortions of electoral
outcomes as bad or worse than what we have now. It seems the
resolution is dangerously vague in not
I'm glad Dottie Titus' proposed NRP resolution elicited the notion of a
charter amendment; having a neighborhood approach to city government built
into the charter effectively addresses, but doesn't eliminate, some of the
concern about duplication and waste in programs. Let alone the
While I attended this event, what substance I absorbed was through the
filter of a bad cold. My candidate announced he was dropping out and I was
cast adrift to choose among a pool of the other exceptional folks left running
for the council seat in Ward 2. I'm glad the mayoral debate is
Steve Cross writes:
I would suggest that your question is best addressed not to the general
public but, rather, to Bill Svrluga himself. He is the candidate for
council affected by your question but is not named in your post. Ask
him, directly, does he recognize that there might come a time
Steve Cross writes this:
Scientists say that physics operated differently for about the first
second of the Big Bang. The heat and pressure were so extreme that
everything operated differently than it has ever since. It's long been
my theory about money in huge quantities. That is, when
This is my last on this particular topic (sorry Doug; I really thought that I
was through).
Michael Atherton says:
The problem is that Mr. Cross and others will try to use
this to discredit my position to maintain the status quo.
I suppose that I would be considered in the above quote under
I have a love/hate relationship with NRP. Like some friends, relatives,
aquaintances, and a few other strange folks (perhaps like Bob Johnson); I feel
that NRP added more layers to our government, duplicated some efforts, and
made for some relatively wasteful efforts. What do you expect
Whether you attribute lies, damn lies, and statistics to Lord Byron
or, like me, make the common mistake of attribution to Mark Twain, who wrote
something derivative of it, Steve Cross is correct in saying that the
achievement gap is largely a societal problem. Michael Atherton makes some
Steve Brandt makes a good point about local coverage in the Star
Tribune. Perhaps it is growing pains. Born and raised in Los Angeles, local
coverage
had a different meaning to me in a city with several millions of folks and a
circulation much greater than most papers in the country.
I gave up participating in my neighborhood's Minneapolis Parks
sponsored Earth Day event years ago, not because I think it is a bad thing, but
because I felt a more targeted approach was a better way to go. Prospect Park
is on
east side of the gorge, much of it on glacial till over
Liz Wielinski writes:
The land for the boathouse at the old Riverboat site has come up at
Park Board meetings and I think they are still negotiating. The last I
had heard was that it would include some staff hours from the U of
M to address some gardening needs for the MPRB. I think this
A commentary piece from Irin Nathenson in the Star Tribune on a Gilded Age
charter amendment can be found at:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5183405.html
Bill Kahn
Wrong again in Prospect Park (about Mpls home rule or charter city status)
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I've got to agree that ceding Mpls Parks land in any fashion is not
good.
We've got a similar situation brewing at East River Flats Park,
adjacent to the U of MN Health Campus. They are poised to let the U take over a
great
deal of that park at the old Centennial Showboat Landing
David Shove writes:
I am for giant slingshots. You the traveller step into the pocket, both
are drawn back back back, aimed in the general direction of the
destination, and FWUPP!! you're on your way! You fly out of downtown Mpls
in no time at all, far over those poor slobs on 35W. You laugh your
Bill Kahn wrote the following in response to an Ed Felien post:
Now the evolution of species through adaptation in the process of Natural
Selection is of overwhelming interest to me and a much better angle to view
government of human beings, corrupt or not. The species we are interested in
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