Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Mark Roberts wrote on 06.10.05 3:12: Bah! What have the Romans ever done for us? Well, besides the roads... Education? Aqueducts? ;-))) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Tom C wrote on 06.10.05 4:37: P*ist? Too ambiguous :-))) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
P. J. Alling wrote on 06.10.05 4:41: It's like the * in *ist, it can mean anything you want it to, as long as it begins with P... Just like T*ist - for instance Tennisist? :-P -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek

Re: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread mike wilson
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/06 Thu AM 02:34:11 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Must be your batteries, I find that 2500mAh AA NiMH cells equalize the weight quite nicely. Not mine, so I don't know. Can't

Re: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread mike wilson
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/06 Thu AM 07:49:27 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Mark Roberts wrote on 06.10.05 3:12: Bah! What have the Romans ever done for us? Well, besides

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/05, Bob Shell, discombobulated, unleashed: Nikon was the camera of choice for pros in the USA for one reason, and one reason only, a man named Joe Ehrenreich. Ehrenreich was the best marketer who has ever come along in the photo industry. He was the first to think of giving camera

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Bah! What have the Romans ever done for us? Well, besides the roads... Open aperture metering? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread Bob Shell
Yep. If someone wrote an accurate history of the photo industry in the USA it would be a lot more about the personalities than the products. Prominent names would be Joe Ehrenreich, Paul Klingenstein, Henry Froehlich, and a number of others. Henry is still living and is President of The MAC

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread Bob Shell
On Thursday, October 6, 2005, at 08:32 AM, Cotty wrote: Bah! What have the Romans ever done for us? Well, besides the roads... Open aperture metering? The Romans gave us the numbering for the Zone System. Bob

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread graywolf
OTOH, if you buy a new body, you just updated all your old lenses. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- William Robb wrote: If you have an original EOS lens, and buy a new lens, you have just updated your AF technology. If

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread Rob Studdert
On 6 Oct 2005 at 9:55, graywolf wrote: OTOH, if you buy a new body, you just updated all your old lenses. And if the lens was originally built using an optimised AF motor then it's ready to utilize whatever new AF technology is embedded in the new body. :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread Stephen Moore
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Mark Roberts wrote on 06.10.05 3:12: Bah! What have the Romans ever done for us? Well, besides the roads... Education? Aqueducts? ;-))) The enduring misuse of their word decimate by American media types, politicians, and assorted other scoundrels? ;-) gdr

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-06 Thread graywolf
Those types misuse words as a way of life. The problem exists only if you don't realize that and take their statements at face value.. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Stephen Moore wrote: Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: What gets me is (if you've been watching the *ist D grip thread) that the *ist D sans grip is apparently too small for many people which is counter to the general Pentax DSLRs are great because they're small discussions. In addition to it being

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Toralf Lund Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Except, perhaps, you have one motor instead of one in each and every lens? Seems more sensible to me... And if you update the motor, you'll see an improvement

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Pentax could do that, if they wanted to. Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 04.10.05 12:10: I am also wondering of it additonally ensures that the mount stays the same. Nikon mount negates this. You've got both - traditional screw type AF drive and possibility

Re: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread mike wilson
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/05 Wed AM 04:59:16 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... On 5 Oct 2005 at 6:48, DagT wrote: I was referring to the fact that the 1Ds mkII is about the same size and weight

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
I think it has more to do with the *ist-D's built in grip, that the size of the camera. While I don't have any real gripes with the grip, I do sometimes wish it were deeper like the one on the Ds... Rob Studdert wrote: On 5 Oct 2005 at 6:48, DagT wrote: I was referring to the fact that

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Supposedly... William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... PENTAX, Official camera of women, and men with small hands... Trying to be funny at 10:35 PM PDT. I know what they say about how foot size relates to other

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
P. J. Alling wrote on 05.10.05 9:43: Pentax could do that, if they wanted to. They did. At least in patent filed a few years ago. I have even made a PDF from that patent, we called it KAF3 mount. It used current digital contact for communication and powerzoom contacts to provide voltage supply

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Krisjanis Linkevics
I know what they say about how foot size relates to other body parts, does hand size work the same way? William Robb P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2005.10.05 11:43:19: Supposedly... I've got really long fingers plus really large feet and no it doesn't :) I wish it would,

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Krisjanis Linkevics wrote on 05.10.05 12:08: I've got really long fingers plus really large feet and no it doesn't :) I wish it would, though :), although my SO says it's exactly the right size :) After reading the last posts in this thread, I'am wondering whether first letter in PDML

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Krisjanis Linkevics
I've got really long fingers plus really large feet and no it doesn't :) I wish it would, though :), although my SO says it's exactly the right size :) After reading the last posts in this thread, I'am wondering whether first letter in PDML abbreviation really means Pentax? :-)))

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Krisjanis Linkevics wrote on 05.10.05 12:31: I meant the *istD :) she says it's purrfect. Wants one of her own. I have to constantly remind her that the gear really doesn't matter, that it's all about the operator :) Ah, so that's OK, I was thinking of foot size relates to other body parts as

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... PENTAX, Official camera of women, and men with small hands... Trying to be funny at 10:35 PM PDT. I know what they say about how foot size relates to other body parts, does

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: P. J. Alling wrote on 05.10.05 9:43: Pentax could do that, if they wanted to. They did. At least in patent filed a few years ago. I have even made a PDF from that patent, we called it KAF3 mount. It used current digital contact for communication and

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Maas
Toralf Lund wrote: Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: P. J. Alling wrote on 05.10.05 9:43: Pentax could do that, if they wanted to. They did. At least in patent filed a few years ago. I have even made a PDF from that patent, we called it KAF3 mount. It used current digital contact for

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Toralf Lund wrote on 05.10.05 13:18: But what if the contacts were missing? Would you still be able to do AF the other way? Then they'd have problems supplying power to USM motor in the lens. Minolta has left power zoom contacts in their mount, and that's why they didn't have any problems

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Adam Maas wrote: Toralf Lund wrote: Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: P Have they really removed it, or just used the KAF mount instead of KAF2? As far as I can tell, KAF2 has been used only for relative higher-end cameras; KAF ones have always been produced along with them. For instance,

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Have they really removed it, or just used the KAF mount instead of KAF2? As far as I can tell, KAF2 has been used only for relative higher-end cameras; KAF ones have always been produced along with them. For instance, while the MZ-5n/MZ-3 and MZ-S have KAF2 mounts,

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Toralf Lund Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Except, perhaps, you have one motor instead of one in each and every lens? Seems more sensible to me... And if you update the motor, you'll see an improvement for *all* lenses. If you

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
On 10/5/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Toralf Lund Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... If you have an original EOS lens, and buy a new lens, you have just updated your AF technology. If you are using a 20 year old camera

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Except, perhaps, you have one motor instead of one in each and every lens? Seems more sensible to me... And if you update the motor, you'll see an improvement for *all* lenses. If you have an original EOS lens, and buy a new lens, you have just updated your AF technology. Not really. You

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Lucas Rijnders
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:30:47 +0200, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Toralf Lund Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Except, perhaps, you have one motor instead of one in each and every lens? Seems more sensible to me... And if you

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 Oct 2005 at 13:30, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Then they'd have problems supplying power to USM motor in the lens. Minolta has left power zoom contacts in their mount, and that's why they didn't have any problems implementing their SSM lenses. These days it would be very easy to supply

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Rob Studdert wrote on 05.10.05 14:57: These days it would be very easy to supply power and control all lens functions plus provide feedback using a pair of contacts, just line power over LAN (IEEE 802.3af). Yes, but I'm not sure if contacts (other than powerzoom) on KAF2 mount can handle

Re: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread dagt
fra: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob Studdert wrote on 05.10.05 14:57: These days it would be very easy to supply power and control all lens functions plus provide feedback using a pair of contacts, just line power over LAN (IEEE 802.3af). Yes, but I'm not sure if

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Toralf Lund Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... The most important factor is how efficienty the overall system works. Lens driven AF is more efficient than body driven AF. I very much doubt that this holds

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:25 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The most important factor is how efficienty the overall system works. Lens driven AF is more efficient than body driven AF. I very much doubt that this holds as a general claim. This is a general truth in the mechanical engineering of servo

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 4 Oct 2005 at 11:59, graywolf wrote: snip In comparison you could say Pentax uses a Hemi Motor for focusing. Old, big, but powerful. snip There's no replacement for displacement... LOL -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:25 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The most important factor is how efficienty the overall system works. Lens driven AF is more efficient than body driven AF. I very much doubt that this holds as a general claim. This is a general truth in the

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread danilo
It's the same as the one that says that people like big motorcycles because they like to have a beast between their legs... Then again, there is also a theory saying that big toys may be a compensation for small size in certain other areas... - T

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
Toralf wrote: Then again, there is also a theory saying that big toys may be a compensation for small size in certain other areas... Thats why you'll never see me with a Canon; their marketing is full of phallic symbolism.. Pål

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:59 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: The most important factor is how efficienty the overall system works. Lens driven AF is more efficient than body driven AF. I very much doubt that this holds as a general claim. This is a general truth in the mechanical engineering of servo

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
Toralf wrote: Furthermore, I suspect Canon chose in-lens motors because they had decided that there would be no mechanical coupling whatsoever between the lens an body, i.e. not based on AF considerations as such. May or may not have been a good idea; that's really a different discussion.

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread P�l Jensen
Lucas wrote: Currently. That still does not prove an in-lens system is better in principle. As a simile, public radio shifted from wireless technology to wired and back at least two times in the last 100 years... Right. Basically Canon had no choice being stucked with the in lens motor.

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
Godfrey wrote: Canon's lenses are state of the art mechanically. The ring motor USM mounts are excellent. Thats debatable. Some of their lenses are crap mechanically. Every Leica lens surpass them and their best are no better than the competition from Nikon, Minolta, Pentax and Olympus.

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... I'm not being negative about Pentax quality. I used their gear for 20 years and it always performed great. I was only clarifying what I think Mr. Robb was referring

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Tom C
The only experience I have with other brands AF is when examining them in the store. Back when I bought the PZ-1p in 97, I could not discern a difference in AF Speed between it and any other camera I was interested in, mainly the N90. I think often the comparisons and judgements are a

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:59 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: The most important factor is how efficienty the overall system works. Lens driven AF is more efficient than body driven AF. I very much doubt that this holds as a general claim. This is a general truth in the

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 5, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: ... I still get a bit shaky when I hear about this high frequency thing. And all the electric contacts are quite very likely failure points. 21st century equipment actually has a quite annoying habit of failing or becoming unreliable because

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread P�l Jensen
William wrote: I like quality camera equipment. In 1975, I bought a Nikon F2s for professional use. The cameras that Pentax was offering at the time were a joke by comparison, and the F2 had been around for six years already. They have been consistently outclassed in real world

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Pål Jensen wrote: Lucas wrote: Currently. That still does not prove an in-lens system is better in principle. As a simile, public radio shifted from wireless technology to wired and back at least two times in the last 100 years... Right. Basically Canon had no choice being

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 5, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: ... No, I don't think they necessarily are that important *as such*. Once you can move the parts precisely enough to be within the tolerance of (in this case) the rest of the AF system, and quickly enough for the

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread P�l Jensen
Toralf wrote: I don't know much about the cameras of 1975, I do. I bought my first slr at that time and checked out every camera system. Nikon was ultra conservative, crude and based on 60' technology. No one who wanted the latest bought Nikon at that time. They sure had some respect but

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Tom C
Hmm... Makes me wonder why the Simon and Garfunkel song Kodachrome mentioned having a Nikon camera... Tom C. From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:27

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/5/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... Makes me wonder why the Simon and Garfunkel song Kodachrome mentioned having a Nikon camera... It sounded right. Olympus, Minolta had too many syllables. What's left? Most PJ's still used Nikon, as Canon really hadn't made it's big impact

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff
By the same token, one might ask why the Michael Franks song, Popsicle Toes, made quite popular by Diana Krall, mentions a Pentax camera. Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C Hmm... Makes me wonder why the Simon and Garfunkel song Kodachrome mentioned having a Nikon camera... Tom C.

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Bob Shell
On Wednesday, October 5, 2005, at 01:20 PM, Pål Jensen wrote: In fact, most Nikons were in fact Pentax copies apart from those inspired by Topcon. I've never heard that assertion before. It is completely false. Bob

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Shel Belinkoff wrote: By the same token, one might ask why the Michael Franks song, Popsicle Toes, made quite popular by Diana Krall, mentions a Pentax camera. I'm now reminded of Norwegian singer-songwriter Lillebjørn Nilsen (http://www.lillebjorn.no), who has this weird song about Nikon

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Lucas Rijnders
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:57:59 +0200, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the same token, one might ask why the Michael Franks song, Popsicle Toes, made quite popular by Diana Krall, mentions a Pentax camera. I think people with other brands aren't that interested in nudes. Or the

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Bob Shell
On Wednesday, October 5, 2005, at 01:57 PM, frank theriault wrote: Pentax wasn't considered a pro camera, so of those two syllable manufacturers, Nikon won. And pronounced wrong at that! Bob

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread pnstenquist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:27:54 +0200 Toralf wrote: I don't know much about the cameras of 1975, I do. I bought my first slr at that time

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
Bob wrote: On Wednesday, October 5, 2005, at 01:20 PM, Pål Jensen wrote: In fact, most Nikons were in fact Pentax copies apart from those inspired by Topcon. I've never heard that assertion before. It is completely false. Really? It is no secret that the japanese were good at

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
Tom wrote: Hmm... Makes me wonder why the Simon and Garfunkel song Kodachrome mentioned having a Nikon camera... Nikon was the camera mans camera and the choice of pros. However, back then the pros didn't want the latest gizmos. If you discussed with those who wanted pro cameras they

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/5/05, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And pronounced wrong at that! Bob LOL I think North America is the only place that pronounces it like Paul Simon did in the famous song. Even in England, don't they pronounce it Nee-kahn? cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/05, Pål Jensen, discombobulated, unleashed: I've seen an EF 100 Macro where the contacts was litterally worn away after about 2 years of use Don't you think that would depend on the use? i get a brand new car every 3.5 years because at that point in time, it is literally worn out

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 5, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: Hell, this is one of the few things I've discussed here that I actually know something about. Not really that fun having strong opinions, then - Are you a mechanical engineer? - Have you assisted in the design, manufacture or servicing

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: I think North America is the only place that pronounces it like Paul Simon did in the famous song. Even in England, don't they pronounce it Nee-kahn? Nikon. Nih ' kon Like 'the knights who say nih' and like a convicted criminal - 'con'.

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On Oct 5, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Cotty wrote: Don't you think that would depend on the use? i get a brand new car every 3.5 years because at that point in time, it is literally worn out from use. Jeez Cotty, I thought that roads are that bad only in Poland ;-) -- Best regards Sylwek

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/05, Sylwester Pietrzyk, discombobulated, unleashed: Jeez Cotty, I thought that roads are that bad only in Poland ;-) Roads? Who needs roads?!?! g Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On Oct 5, 2005, at 10:48 PM, Cotty wrote: Roads? Who needs roads?!?! g Almost nobody. Actually it was only a whim of ancient Romans ;-) -- Best regards Sylwek

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Bob Shell
On Wednesday, October 5, 2005, at 03:01 PM, Pål Jensen wrote: Really? It is no secret that the japanese were good at copying after the war. Not only did they copy the germans but in the 60's and 70's they copied each other. It is also noteworthy that Nikon and Pentax are perhaps the two

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Bob Shell
On Wednesday, October 5, 2005, at 03:04 PM, frank theriault wrote: I think North America is the only place that pronounces it like Paul Simon did in the famous song. Even in England, don't they pronounce it Nee-kahn? It's more like Nick - on. I was at a press conference at photokina one

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Tom C
It also depends how you drive! Tom C. Don't you think that would depend on the use? i get a brand new car every 3.5 years because at that point in time, it is literally worn out from use. Jeez Cotty, I thought that roads are that bad only in Poland ;-) -- Best regards Sylwek

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Bob Shell wrote: On Wednesday, October 5, 2005, at 01:57 PM, frank theriault wrote: Pentax wasn't considered a pro camera, so of those two syllable manufacturers, Nikon won. And pronounced wrong at that! Usually is, I understand.

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Pål Jensen wrote: Nikon was the camera mans camera and the choice of pros. However, back then the pros didn't want the latest gizmos. If you discussed with those who wanted pro cameras they would tell you that pros couldn't use cameras dependent on batteries and that pros didn't need meters

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 Oct 2005 at 10:04, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Debating against beliefs and opinions is a total waste of time. This is the point when I drop out of the conversation too, it should get interesting from here. Geologists arguing with programmers about cameras, mechanics and electronics :-)

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Pål Jensen wrote: Bob wrote: On Wednesday, October 5, 2005, at 01:20 PM, Pål Jensen wrote: In fact, most Nikons were in fact Pentax copies apart from those inspired by Topcon. I've never heard that assertion before. It is completely false. Really? It is no secret

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Oct 2005 at 10:04, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Debating against beliefs and opinions is a total waste of time. This is the point when I drop out of the conversation too, Oh come on, thats not the PDML way, although, I

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Bob Shell
Nikon was the camera of choice for pros in the USA for one reason, and one reason only, a man named Joe Ehrenreich. Ehrenreich was the best marketer who has ever come along in the photo industry. He was the first to think of giving camera outfits to well-known photographers so they would be

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Apart from the fact that Pentax didn't have a camera in the F2 class at the time, the Nikon of the times was outclassed by everyone else except Topcon. The lenses need to be set at F:5.6

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Hmm... Makes me wonder why the Simon and Garfunkel song Kodachrome mentioned having a Nikon camera... Pal is in Europe. Over here, the progressive and exciting photographers were using Nikons

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... 3 out of 4. Canon, Nikon and KM all do Lens-driven AF (USM, AF-S, SSM) I didn't realize KM was moving that way as well. William Robb

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2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... LX was better though ;-) with more mechanical speeds and a standard hot shoe available in some of the finders. Nikon did produce a not-dissimilar-to-the-LX camera, the FM3a, several

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2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Toralf Lund Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... I like quality camera equipment. In 1975, I bought a Nikon F2s for professional use. The cameras that Pentax was offering at the time were a joke by comparison, and the F2 had been around

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2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Toralf Lund Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Furthermore, I suspect Canon chose in-lens motors because they had decided that there would be no mechanical coupling whatsoever between the lens an body, i.e. not based on AF

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2005-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
E.R.N. Reed wrote: I thought what happened was the ones who said pros couldn't use battery-dependent cameras and didn't need meters have now retired, and the new generation insists upon USM, multipoint metering etc. REPLY: Not necessarily. In the days before Nikon offered USM, Nikon users

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2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... I thought what happened was the ones who said pros couldn't use battery-dependent cameras and didn't need meters have now retired, and the new generation insists upon USM, multipoint

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2005-10-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
And maintain it. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... It also depends how you drive! Tom C. Don't you think that would

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2005-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
E.R.N. Reed wrote: Additionally, the Nikon F100 is a *lot* like the PZ-1p, only a few years later and with the added technology those few years brought. The main difference seems to be that everybody and their dawg knew about the F100 when it came out, and they still haven't heard of the

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2005-10-05 Thread P�l Jensen
William wrote: It is immaterial whether they could, or couldn't, or anything else. In the mid 1960s. they made world class cameras, as good as just about anything else out there. By the early 1970s, they had been left in the dust by their competition. Really? The ES and ESII was at time

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Herb Chong
PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Sure, but you have quite likely updated some of the control circuitry and are taking advantage of improvements in AF motor technology. If you have

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2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... William wrote: It is immaterial whether they could, or couldn't, or anything else. In the mid 1960s. they made world class cameras, as good as just about anything else out

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax... Actually, the Nikon F/N 90 is more similar. The Nikon predated the Pentax. Howewver, the Pentax mount doesn't flex with a 80-200/2.8 lens (see user comments on photo.net) like the Nikon

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2005-10-05 Thread Tom C
That left more for the rest of us, silly man. I don't like the Z1p either. William Robb

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2005-10-05 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Pål Jensen wrote: E.R.N. Reed wrote: Additionally, the Nikon F100 is a *lot* like the PZ-1p, only a few years later and with the added technology those few years brought. The main difference seems to be that everybody and their dawg knew about the F100 when it came out, and they still

Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Mishka
Really? They had interchagable prisms and screens? pentax had interchangeble finders in their very first asahiflex. so had russian zenit. apparently f100 and f6 don't. so? They had shutter preferred auto? does F2 have? mine surely doesn't. I presume the light meter was visible without

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2005-10-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 5, 2005, at 10:48 PM, Cotty wrote: Roads? Who needs roads?!?! g Almost nobody. Actually it was only a whim of ancient Romans ;-) Bah! What have the Romans ever done for us? Well, besides the roads... -- Mark Roberts Photography and

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2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
So they didn't want to, unfortunately. Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: P. J. Alling wrote on 05.10.05 9:43: Pentax could do that, if they wanted to. They did. At least in patent filed a few years ago. I have even made a PDF from that patent, we called it KAF3 mount. It used current

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