Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Screw them.  I like to hear your opinions pro and con.

" I have definitely learned that there are certain people here that do not
appreciate any feedback other than “good job”

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:36 PM Larry Colen  wrote:

>
> > On Oct 15, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> >
> > I've cut way back on my commenting/critiquing on images posted here
> mainly because my critiques are my opinion on the photo in question and as
> such I don't care to hear the photographer defending why he did this or
> that. Take the comment/critique for what it is and move on.
> >
> > When I do comment/critique I try to mention at least one aspect of the
> image that was done well along with the most glaring issue I see in the
> image, if any.
> >
> > YMMV
>
> I have definitely learned that there are certain people here that do not
> appreciate any feedback other than “good job” and there are others that
> appreciate it in order to improve their future strengths.
>
>
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Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all

[Larry Colen]

> On Oct 15, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> I've cut way back on my commenting/critiquing on images posted here mainly 
> because my critiques are my opinion on the photo in question and as such I 
> don't care to hear the photographer defending why he did this or that. Take 
> the comment/critique for what it is and move on.
> 
> When I do comment/critique I try to mention at least one aspect of the image 
> that was done well along with the most glaring issue I see in the image, if 
> any.
> 
> YMMV

I have definitely learned that there are certain people here that do not 
appreciate any feedback other than “good job” and there are others that 
appreciate it in order to improve their future strengths.


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Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all

[Ken Waller]

I've cut way back on my commenting/critiquing on images posted here mainly 
because my critiques are my opinion on the photo in question and as such I 
don't care to hear the photographer defending why he did this or that. Take 
the comment/critique for what it is and move on.


When I do comment/critique I try to mention at least one aspect of the image 
that was done well along with the most glaring issue I see in the image, if 
any.


YMMV

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- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 

Subject: Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all



What I miss here lately, and what I can not get on FaceBook, is
intelligent and constructive criticism.

Ten years ago, and even 3 or 4 years ago, I would post an image and more
experienced and talented members of the group would give me honest -- and
sometimes even brutal -- criticisms,  More often, a post would draw
comments on what was interesting and good about the image, what
aspects were weak or dissonant, and what could have been done, or still
could be done, to make it stronger.  Now, a few people will let me know if
they think one of my submissions has some merit.  If I get no response to 
a

PESO, I get the message that no one particularly likes it, but it has been
quite some time since I received some critical feedback, and even longer
since I saw any negative feedback.

I think we have become more and more like FaceBook, where people will
"like" an image, but not go much beyond that.  There have been a few 
images

in the recent past that have provoked interesting and meaningful
discussions on composition, lighting,l exposure or other aspects of the
work, but those seem to me few and far between.  Much more common are 
posts
with no feedback or with a comment like "pretty butterfly."  Everyone 
likes

to hear that the subject of their image is attractive, but that is no
substitute for the kinds of intense discussions and debates that went on
here when the number of active participants was higher.

Just the grumblings of an old grouch.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:23 AM P. J. Alling 
wrote:


I think a lot of us are still her, but just resting, after all,
Ricoh/Pentax doesn't have the release schedule of Sony, Canon, Nikon or
even Panasonic, so talking about hardware is kind of redundant, after
all how much navel gazing can one do about cameras that only change
every 2 years.

Hell it's not like Sony throwing spaghetti at the wall with three
different versions of the same camera with release dates only a few
months, at most apart, or Canon bringing out a new entry model every 6
months or so, with often only minor changes from the previous version,
pushing the previous model down a step until it somewhere falls off
Canon's current list.

On the other hand, if you want to navel gaze about once and future
cameras there's always the Pentax Fora.

Some of us would contribute more if someone hadn't already beaten us to
the punch, after all what else can you say to a great or merely good
photo when someone else has already expressed, more or less, your
thoughts except, me too.   That gets old after a while, even for the
poster.

Everyone here is too accomplished to post any photograph that's really
bad here, except maybe for me, and usually I've been drinking.


On 10/10/2018 7:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> That is hopeful news.
>
> Does the PDML have a future?  It seems there are fewer participants 
> each

> month.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters 
> 

> wrote:
>
>> G'day all
>>
>> I just noticed this on DP Review:
>>
>> https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199
>>
>> So, maybe.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
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Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all

[Jostein]

Deleted all my photos in there on 19. August, and sent a query to them 
about deleting my account. -Because that's one thing you can't do yourself.
No response yet. That report at dpreview doesn't really make me regret 
the delete.


Jostein

Den 11.10.2018 01:52, skrev Brian Walters:

G'day all

I just noticed this on DP Review:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199

So, maybe.


Cheers
Brian

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Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote on 10/12/18 6:40 AM:

What I miss here lately, and what I can not get on FaceBook, is
intelligent and constructive criticism.

Ten years ago, and even 3 or 4 years ago, I would post an image and more
experienced and talented members of the group would give me honest -- and
sometimes even brutal -- criticisms,  More often, a post would draw
comments on what was interesting and good about the image, what
aspects were weak or dissonant, and what could have been done, or still


I miss this too, not just on my own images, but I learned a tremendous 
amount by reading the discussion of other people's photos.



could be done, to make it stronger.  Now, a few people will let me know if
they think one of my submissions has some merit.  If I get no response to a
PESO, I get the message that no one particularly likes it, but it has been
quite some time since I received some critical feedback, and even longer
since I saw any negative feedback.


Part of that is your fault, your photography is better so the reasons to 
give negative feedback are much smaller.  When I'm teaching people 
driving at the race track they generally start out with a few very big 
problems.  It's generally fairly easy to decide which one or two things 
to work on. At a certain point, we've taken care of the few big issues, 
then that leaves the little things. In a quantitative field like driving 
on a track, the danger is in overwhelming the student with too many 
little things.  In an artistic field like photography any one of those 
little things can be a matter of taste where some people will agree with 
the proposed change and others not.

I think we have become more and more like FaceBook, where people will
"like" an image, but not go much beyond that.  There have been a few images
in the recent past that have provoked interesting and meaningful
discussions on composition, lighting,l exposure or other aspects of the
work, but those seem to me few and far between.  Much more common are posts
with no feedback or with a comment like "pretty butterfly."  Everyone likes


It could be worse, they could say "pretty butterfly" about a photo of a 
tree. :-)



to hear that the subject of their image is attractive, but that is no
substitute for the kinds of intense discussions and debates that went on
here when the number of active participants was higher.


Joking aside, I agree with you wholeheartedly. The quality of feedback 
on this list was among the highest I've seen online. The feedback I see 
these days is still very good, but it's a lot less frequent.




Just the grumblings of an old grouch.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:23 AM P. J. Alling 
wrote:


I think a lot of us are still her, but just resting, after all,
Ricoh/Pentax doesn't have the release schedule of Sony, Canon, Nikon or
even Panasonic, so talking about hardware is kind of redundant, after
all how much navel gazing can one do about cameras that only change
every 2 years.

Hell it's not like Sony throwing spaghetti at the wall with three
different versions of the same camera with release dates only a few
months, at most apart, or Canon bringing out a new entry model every 6
months or so, with often only minor changes from the previous version,
pushing the previous model down a step until it somewhere falls off
Canon's current list.

On the other hand, if you want to navel gaze about once and future
cameras there's always the Pentax Fora.

Some of us would contribute more if someone hadn't already beaten us to
the punch, after all what else can you say to a great or merely good
photo when someone else has already expressed, more or less, your
thoughts except, me too.   That gets old after a while, even for the
poster.

Everyone here is too accomplished to post any photograph that's really
bad here, except maybe for me, and usually I've been drinking.


On 10/10/2018 7:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is hopeful news.

Does the PDML have a future?  It seems there are fewer participants each
month.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters 
wrote:


G'day all

I just noticed this on DP Review:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199

So, maybe.


Cheers
Brian

++
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Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all

[Daniel J. Matyola]

What I miss here lately, and what I can not get on FaceBook, is
intelligent and constructive criticism.

Ten years ago, and even 3 or 4 years ago, I would post an image and more
experienced and talented members of the group would give me honest -- and
sometimes even brutal -- criticisms,  More often, a post would draw
comments on what was interesting and good about the image, what
aspects were weak or dissonant, and what could have been done, or still
could be done, to make it stronger.  Now, a few people will let me know if
they think one of my submissions has some merit.  If I get no response to a
PESO, I get the message that no one particularly likes it, but it has been
quite some time since I received some critical feedback, and even longer
since I saw any negative feedback.

I think we have become more and more like FaceBook, where people will
"like" an image, but not go much beyond that.  There have been a few images
in the recent past that have provoked interesting and meaningful
discussions on composition, lighting,l exposure or other aspects of the
work, but those seem to me few and far between.  Much more common are posts
with no feedback or with a comment like "pretty butterfly."  Everyone likes
to hear that the subject of their image is attractive, but that is no
substitute for the kinds of intense discussions and debates that went on
here when the number of active participants was higher.

Just the grumblings of an old grouch.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:23 AM P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> I think a lot of us are still her, but just resting, after all,
> Ricoh/Pentax doesn't have the release schedule of Sony, Canon, Nikon or
> even Panasonic, so talking about hardware is kind of redundant, after
> all how much navel gazing can one do about cameras that only change
> every 2 years.
>
> Hell it's not like Sony throwing spaghetti at the wall with three
> different versions of the same camera with release dates only a few
> months, at most apart, or Canon bringing out a new entry model every 6
> months or so, with often only minor changes from the previous version,
> pushing the previous model down a step until it somewhere falls off
> Canon's current list.
>
> On the other hand, if you want to navel gaze about once and future
> cameras there's always the Pentax Fora.
>
> Some of us would contribute more if someone hadn't already beaten us to
> the punch, after all what else can you say to a great or merely good
> photo when someone else has already expressed, more or less, your
> thoughts except, me too.   That gets old after a while, even for the
> poster.
>
> Everyone here is too accomplished to post any photograph that's really
> bad here, except maybe for me, and usually I've been drinking.
>
>
> On 10/10/2018 7:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > That is hopeful news.
> >
> > Does the PDML have a future?  It seems there are fewer participants each
> > month.
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> G'day all
> >>
> >> I just noticed this on DP Review:
> >>
> >> https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199
> >>
> >> So, maybe.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> ++
> >> Brian Walters
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Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all

[P. J. Alling]

I think a lot of us are still her, but just resting, after all, 
Ricoh/Pentax doesn't have the release schedule of Sony, Canon, Nikon or 
even Panasonic, so talking about hardware is kind of redundant, after 
all how much navel gazing can one do about cameras that only change 
every 2 years.


Hell it's not like Sony throwing spaghetti at the wall with three 
different versions of the same camera with release dates only a few 
months, at most apart, or Canon bringing out a new entry model every 6 
months or so, with often only minor changes from the previous version, 
pushing the previous model down a step until it somewhere falls off 
Canon's current list.


On the other hand, if you want to navel gaze about once and future 
cameras there's always the Pentax Fora.


Some of us would contribute more if someone hadn't already beaten us to 
the punch, after all what else can you say to a great or merely good 
photo when someone else has already expressed, more or less, your 
thoughts except, me too.   That gets old after a while, even for the poster.


Everyone here is too accomplished to post any photograph that's really 
bad here, except maybe for me, and usually I've been drinking.



On 10/10/2018 7:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is hopeful news.

Does the PDML have a future?  It seems there are fewer participants each
month.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters 
wrote:


G'day all

I just noticed this on DP Review:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199

So, maybe.


Cheers
Brian

++
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Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is hopeful news.

Does the PDML have a future?  It seems there are fewer participants each
month.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters 
wrote:

> G'day all
>
> I just noticed this on DP Review:
>
> https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199
>
> So, maybe.
>
>
> Cheers
> Brian
>
> ++
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Re: PPG

[Paul Stenquist]

Last time I uploaded a photo it worked. I think that was five years ago.

Paul

> On Jul 12, 2018, at 9:51 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, I don't have an account, so I can't test that. Seems most 
> viewing tasks work.
> 
> 
>> On 7/12/2018 9:34 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> I just tried to upload an image, and I still get:
>> 
>> This page isn’t working
>> 
>> *pentaxphotogallery.com * is currently
>> unable to handle this request.
>> HTTP ERROR 500
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 8:44 AM, P. J. Alling 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It took a few days but it seems to be back now.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7/7/2018 5:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
 Still out of Service.
 
 "This page isn’t working
 
 *pentaxphotogallery.com * is currently
 unable to handle this request.
 HTTP ERROR 500"
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
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Re: PPG

[P. J. Alling]

Interesting, I don't have an account, so I can't test that. Seems most 
viewing tasks work.



On 7/12/2018 9:34 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I just tried to upload an image, and I still get:

This page isn’t working

*pentaxphotogallery.com * is currently
unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 8:44 AM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:


It took a few days but it seems to be back now.


On 7/7/2018 5:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Still out of Service.

"This page isn’t working

*pentaxphotogallery.com * is currently
unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500"

Dan Matyola
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Re: PPG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I just tried to upload an image, and I still get:

This page isn’t working

*pentaxphotogallery.com * is currently
unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 8:44 AM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> It took a few days but it seems to be back now.
>
>
> On 7/7/2018 5:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> Still out of Service.
>>
>> "This page isn’t working
>>
>> *pentaxphotogallery.com * is currently
>> unable to handle this request.
>> HTTP ERROR 500"
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>
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Re: PPG

[P. J. Alling]

It took a few days but it seems to be back now.


On 7/7/2018 5:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Still out of Service.

"This page isn’t working

*pentaxphotogallery.com * is currently
unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500"

Dan Matyola
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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

Yeah, there's obviously a problem.

Someone on DP Review mentioned failed uploads a few days ago so, even though
it's been several years since I've uploaded anything to PPG - or voted for that
matter - I attempted an upload as a test.  It failed.  I've just tried again and
it failed again.

Maybe it's a temporary glitch?

Cheers

Brian

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> On 19 June 2018 at 23:58 "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried to vote on submissions to the PPG recently?  It seems that
> the images are not loading properly, although other sections of the site
> are operating normally.
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Re: PPG

[Bong Manayon]

Trying now ...

Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net 

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018, 9:58:48 PM GMT+8, Daniel J. Matyola 
 wrote:  
 
 Has anyone tried to vote on submissions to the PPG recently?  It seems that
the images are not loading properly, although other sections of the site
are operating normally.

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Re: PPG is back online

[Igor PDML-StR]

Sorry, Dan,

I didn't read that message. I saw that it was working and wanted to alert 
those PDMLers who were concerned in the past few days.


As for the rest, - it looks like PPG is not among Ricoh marketing
team priorities for Pentax brand. It looks more like a liability at this 
point: they are afraid to cut it off completely (infuriating many 
Pentaxians), but they also don't want to spend any resources for support 
and moderation.
PPG was Asahi-Pentax's project that doesn't generate any direct revenue, 
and it became an unloved step-child of Ricoh.
(I suspect that most if not all of the PPG team have been long gone or 
moved to different roles.)



PPG was essentially a PR attempt for Pentax. I suspect, that it might not 
have been very successful from the business' point of view. I don't know 
if Asahi-Pentax or Ricoh had/has any measure of the popularity of that 
website, and of how much exposure it gets, -- to judge if it is worth 
their efforts. Also, I am not a marketing specialist, - so I don't know 
how such things could be measured (if at all).


I have a thought that if Pentax or Ricoh had bought one of the popular 
photo-hosting services (photo.net, flickr, ..) and used a portion of that 
platform to develop a separate Pentax-branded community (such as PPG), - 
they could've had a better chance for success and exposure.



But at the same time, that is a totally different area of business.
Obviously, Pentax wasn't prepared to diversify (too narrowly focused 
company, with only a few product categories). Ricoh might be in a better 
position, given the variety of products and services they provide.


Anyway,... Stay cool, be happy!


Igor



 Daniel J. Matyola Wed, 23 May 2018 07:31:19 -0700 wrote:

It had been off for about 5 days.
As I indicated in my post yesterday, both Bong and I were able to log in
yesterday.
They are 7 months behind in approving submissions.



Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Dan and other have been worrying about PPG not being available.
While it wasn't responding just yesterday, - I just checked, - and it seems 
to be working again.


HTH,

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Re: PPG is back online

[Daniel J. Matyola]

It had been off for about 5 days.
As I indicated in my post yesterday, both Bong and I were able to log in
yesterday.
They are 7 months behind in approving submissions.


Dan Matyola
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On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

>
> Dan and other have been worrying about PPG not being available.
> While it wasn't responding just yesterday, - I just checked, - and it
> seems to be working again.
>
> HTH,
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Re: PPG

[P.J. Alling]

I never really saw this as a medium an odd lot large maybe...

On 9/22/2014 5:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

It's a "medium for open discussion."

Jack

- Original Message -
From: "mike wilson" 
To: "PDML" 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 12:21:23 PM
Subject: Re: PPG

Strictly, this isn't a forum in the internet/website sense.

On 22 September 2014 17:23, Jack Davis  wrote:

Group,

I just got a response from from RICHO IMAGING by Webmaster @ 
pentaxphotogallery.com
I had recently sent them a cryptic note: "Is anyone there?
They wondered what I wanted to know so I sent them the following;

(paraphrased)
Myself and other PDML forum members have noted an extreme delay in receiving a 
response to our submitted photos.
Further, it seems, given enough time, absolutely anything is "approved."
Is the Gallery active?



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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Jack Davis :


Group,

I just got a response from from RICHO IMAGING by Webmaster @  
pentaxphotogallery.com

I had recently sent them a cryptic note: "Is anyone there?
They wondered what I wanted to know so I sent them the following;

(paraphrased)
Myself and other PDML forum members have noted an extreme delay in  
receiving a response to our submitted photos.

Further, it seems, given enough time, absolutely anything is "approved."
Is the Gallery active?



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Re: PPG

[Jack Davis]

It's a "medium for open discussion."

Jack

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Subject: Re: PPG

Strictly, this isn't a forum in the internet/website sense.

On 22 September 2014 17:23, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> I just got a response from from RICHO IMAGING by Webmaster @ 
> pentaxphotogallery.com
> I had recently sent them a cryptic note: "Is anyone there?
> They wondered what I wanted to know so I sent them the following;
>
> (paraphrased)
> Myself and other PDML forum members have noted an extreme delay in receiving 
> a response to our submitted photos.
> Further, it seems, given enough time, absolutely anything is "approved."
> Is the Gallery active?

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Re: PPG

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Strictly, this isn't a forum in the internet/website sense.

On 22 September 2014 17:23, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> I just got a response from from RICHO IMAGING by Webmaster @ 
> pentaxphotogallery.com
> I had recently sent them a cryptic note: "Is anyone there?
> They wondered what I wanted to know so I sent them the following;
>
> (paraphrased)
> Myself and other PDML forum members have noted an extreme delay in receiving 
> a response to our submitted photos.
> Further, it seems, given enough time, absolutely anything is "approved."
> Is the Gallery active?

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Re: PPG

[Jack Davis]

Ok, I'll try it again in the morning. Thanks, Brian.

Jack
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Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: PPG

Quoting Jack Davis : 


>  
> I just tried to review my "Pentax" gallery and found it unreviewable.
> I get my first page and an image, but all else is a muddle. ??
> Anyone else been there lately?


Yeah.  Just had a quick look at your gallery - working OK, if a bit  
slow (which is nothing unusual).

Like those hawk photos.



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Re: PPG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I just visited your gallery, and everything looks fine.

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On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
> I just tried to review my "Pentax" gallery and found it unreviewable.
> I get my first page and an image, but all else is a muddle. ??
> Anyone else been there lately?
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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Jack Davis :


 
I just tried to review my "Pentax" gallery and found it unreviewable.
I get my first page and an image, but all else is a muddle. ??
Anyone else been there lately?



Yeah.  Just had a quick look at your gallery - working OK, if a bit  
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Re: PPG

[Bruce Walker]

Yes, and it seemed to work as well as usual (that's not saying all that much).


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>
> I just tried to review my "Pentax" gallery and found it unreviewable.
> I get my first page and an image, but all else is a muddle. ??
> Anyone else been there lately?
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Re: PPG

[Darren Addy]

Whenever I experience some display weirdness like this, I always
assume it is in their CSS and just try a different browser. IMHO
Microsoft's IE should be your *last* option. I'm using Chrome almost
exclusively now, but you should also have Firefox installed. If it
looks bad in one browser, (it will most likely be IE) then try one of
the others to view the same content.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> I just tried again;  everything else on the PPG site displays
> properly, but when I try to vote on images, they all come up totally
> black.
>
> I guess that I have been banned from voting because of the poor
> quality of my submissions.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Brian Walters  
> wrote:
>> Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :
>>
>>> Today, they all come up black for me.  I just checked the site again,
>>> and the problem is still there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I just checked - it's working OK for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
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>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

 Well, maybe. There are times when the next image to be voted on only
 comes up part way and shows nothing but black.
 The have always come up without much hesitation, however.

 Jack
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:20 PM
 Subject: PPG

 Over lunch today, I visited the Pentax Photo Gallery.  When I tried to
 view and vote on a few submissions, all I could see is black where the
 images should be.  Has anyone else encountered this difficulty?

 Dan Matyola
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Re: PPG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I just tried again;  everything else on the PPG site displays
properly, but when I try to vote on images, they all come up totally
black.

I guess that I have been banned from voting because of the poor
quality of my submissions.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :
>
>> Today, they all come up black for me.  I just checked the site again,
>> and the problem is still there.
>
>
>
>
> I just checked - it's working OK for me.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
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>>
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, maybe. There are times when the next image to be voted on only
>>> comes up part way and shows nothing but black.
>>> The have always come up without much hesitation, however.
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:20 PM
>>> Subject: PPG
>>>
>>> Over lunch today, I visited the Pentax Photo Gallery.  When I tried to
>>> view and vote on a few submissions, all I could see is black where the
>>> images should be.  Has anyone else encountered this difficulty?
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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[Brian Walters]

Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :


Today, they all come up black for me.  I just checked the site again,
and the problem is still there.




I just checked - it's working OK for me.



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On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
Well, maybe. There are times when the next image to be voted on  
only comes up part way and shows nothing but black.

The have always come up without much hesitation, however.

Jack
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Subject: PPG

Over lunch today, I visited the Pentax Photo Gallery.  When I tried to
view and vote on a few submissions, all I could see is black where the
images should be.  Has anyone else encountered this difficulty?

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[Daniel J. Matyola]

Today, they all come up black for me.  I just checked the site again,
and the problem is still there.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Well, maybe. There are times when the next image to be voted on only comes up 
> part way and shows nothing but black.
> The have always come up without much hesitation, however.
>
> Jack
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> Subject: PPG
>
> Over lunch today, I visited the Pentax Photo Gallery.  When I tried to
> view and vote on a few submissions, all I could see is black where the
> images should be.  Has anyone else encountered this difficulty?
>
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Well, maybe. There are times when the next image to be voted on only comes up 
part way and shows nothing but black. 
The have always come up without much hesitation, however.

Jack 
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images should be.  Has anyone else encountered this difficulty?

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Re: PPG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

"Hmmm.  I'll have to start voting again."

Hey, if Anthony Weiner can start up again, why not you?  
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:48 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Brian Walters  
> wrote:
>> Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :
>>
>>> There seem to be a lot of nudes posted on the Pentax Photo Gallery lately.
>>>
>>> Not that I'm complaining .  .  .  .
>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmm.  I'll have to start voting again.
>
> Humm i guess i need to start doing self portraits agin
>
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:48 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Brian Walters  
>> wrote:
>>> Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :
>>>
 There seem to be a lot of nudes posted on the Pentax Photo Gallery lately.

 Not that I'm complaining .  .  .  .
>>>
>>> Hmmm.  I'll have to start voting again.
>>
>> Humm i guess i need to start doing self portraits agin
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> Isn't that why the PPG was shut down the last time?

Among others/

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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:48 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Brian Walters  
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>> Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :
>>
>>> There seem to be a lot of nudes posted on the Pentax Photo Gallery lately.
>>>
>>> Not that I'm complaining .  .  .  .
>>
>> Hmmm.  I'll have to start voting again.
>
> Humm i guess i need to start doing self portraits agin

Isn't that why the PPG was shut down the last time?

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Re: PPG

[David J Brooks]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :
>
>> There seem to be a lot of nudes posted on the Pentax Photo Gallery lately.
>>
>> Not that I'm complaining .  .  .  .
>
>
>
> Hmmm.  I'll have to start voting again.

Humm i guess i need to start doing self portraits agin

Dave
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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :


There seem to be a lot of nudes posted on the Pentax Photo Gallery lately.

Not that I'm complaining .  .  .  .



Hmmm.  I'll have to start voting again.


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Re: PPG RPG ??

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Ann Sanfedele :


So
now that RIcoh and Pentax are as one -
Does that mean I can subit photos taken with a Ricoh to
the PUG? ;-)  to PPG?

Ricoh was my first very own 35mm.




Ricoh wasn't my first 35mm but I used an XR2 for a large part of the  
70s and 80s.  Excellent camera.


I make no comment about submitting Ricoh images.

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Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images

[Paul Stenquist]

On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

> Quoting Jack Davis :
> 
>> My assumption as well, Bong.
>> I'm just too lazy to undertake said conversions.
>> I did review a couple of my favorites and decided they'll do as is.
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, it is quite a bit of work but looking at those earlier images on a 
> largish monitor is sufficiently disappointing that I've decided to upgrade 
> mine.
> 
> The PPG team must be putting a lot of time into this - The ones I've upgraded 
> so far have all been approved overnight.

I upgraded some on Thursday afternoon, and they were approved within 
minutes.Those I did after 5 PM or so were approved overnight.

> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
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> 
> 
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>> ________
>> From: Bong Manayon 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM,   wrote:
>>> G'day all
>>> 
>>> Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states:
>>> 
>>> "For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images
>>> uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come
>>> shortly!"
>>> 
>>> This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on
>>> larger monitors.
>> 
>> Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long
>> to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their
>> old photos no one is voting...
>> 
>> Bong :-)
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Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Jack Davis :


My assumption as well, Bong.
I'm just too lazy to undertake said conversions.
I did review a couple of my favorites and decided they'll do as is.




Yeah, it is quite a bit of work but looking at those earlier images on  
a largish monitor is sufficiently disappointing that I've decided to  
upgrade mine.


The PPG team must be putting a lot of time into this - The ones I've  
upgraded so far have all been approved overnight.




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Jack



From: Bong Manayon 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM,   wrote:

G'day all

Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states:

"For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images
uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come
shortly!"

This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on
larger monitors.


Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long
to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their
old photos no one is voting...

Bong :-)

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Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images

[Paul Stenquist]

I only recently began submitting a few more pics to PPG after taking several 
years off. However, I really didn't like those 600- pixel-tall images being 
upsized to 900-pixel-tall images by who knows what method. I looked at some and 
could see degradation. So rather than delete them all, I made new jpegs from 
the original hi-res images and uploaded them. Of course, I had only placed 
about 35 images prior to the site redesign. If I had 100, I might have said "to 
hell with it and taken them down."
Paul
On Jan 22, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

> My assumption as well, Bong.
> I'm just too lazy to undertake said conversions.
> I did review a couple of my favorites and decided they'll do as is.
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bong Manayon 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List  
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:52 AM
> Subject: Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images
> 
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM,   wrote:
>> G'day all
>> 
>> Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states:
>> 
>> "For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images
>> uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come
>> shortly!"
>> 
>> This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on
>> larger monitors.
> 
> Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long
> to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their
> old photos no one is voting...
> 
> Bong :-)
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Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images

[Jack Davis]

My assumption as well, Bong.
I'm just too lazy to undertake said conversions.
I did review a couple of my favorites and decided they'll do as is.

Jack



From: Bong Manayon 
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM,   wrote:
> G'day all
>
> Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states:
>
> "For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images
> uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come
> shortly!"
>
> This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on
> larger monitors.

Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long
to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their
old photos no one is voting...

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Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images

[Bong Manayon]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM,   wrote:
> G'day all
>
> Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states:
>
> "For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update images
> uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More info to come
> shortly!"
>
> This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed on
> larger monitors.

Just noticed that photos in the pending (new photos) are taking long
to be accepted...I guess everyone is preoccupied with upgrading their
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Re: PPG Comment

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 21, 2012, at 6:50 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Brian,
> 
> Thanks! I just noticed your generous comment on my PPG Moulton Barn image.

Without a convenient link, I'll just have to assume that it's something like 
"that's only the third worst photo I've seen all week".


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Re: PPG - What size do you use to upload?

[Paul Stenquist]

And you don't know how they downsize. Bicubic sharper in PhotoShop will yield 
optimum results. Their results might be less than optimum.
Paul
On Jan 19, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

> Quoting kwal...@peoplepc.com:
> 
>> 900.
>> Don't see any reason to upload anything bigger.
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, I think you and Bong are right.  It seems that PPG will resize anything 
> larger anyway, and probably discard the original.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
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And you don't know how they downsize. Bicubic sharper in PhotoShop will yield 
optimum results. Their results might be less than optimum.
Paul
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>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Walters" 
>> Subject: PPG - What size do you use to upload?
>> 
>> 
>>> G'day all
>>> 
>>> The PPG states that the minimum size for uploading is 900 pixels high  and 
>>> this is what I've been using.  This size seems to be large enough  to avoid 
>>> images being enlarged for viewing, except when viewed on very  large 
>>> monitors (for example, on my 22" widescreen at 1680 x 1050  resolution, the 
>>> images display at about 800 pixels high in a normal  browser window - which 
>>> is fine - although they would be resized up to  about 928 pixels high if 
>>> viewed full screen on that monitor).
>>> 
>>> As PPG is going to allow us to upload higher res versions of images 
>>> accepted before the 'New' PPG went online in October, I was wondering 
>>> whether I should consider uploading images larger than 900 pixels high.
>>> 
>>> What others do.  Do you just use the 900 pixel minimum height or do  you 
>>> upload something larger?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: PPG - What size do you use to upload?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting kwal...@peoplepc.com:


900.
Don't see any reason to upload anything bigger.




Yeah, I think you and Bong are right.  It seems that PPG will resize  
anything larger anyway, and probably discard the original.



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- Original Message - From: "Brian Walters" 
Subject: PPG - What size do you use to upload?



G'day all

The PPG states that the minimum size for uploading is 900 pixels  
high  and this is what I've been using.  This size seems to be  
large enough  to avoid images being enlarged for viewing, except  
when viewed on very  large monitors (for example, on my 22"  
widescreen at 1680 x 1050  resolution, the images display at about  
800 pixels high in a normal  browser window - which is fine -  
although they would be resized up to  about 928 pixels high if  
viewed full screen on that monitor).


As PPG is going to allow us to upload higher res versions of images  
accepted before the 'New' PPG went online in October, I was  
wondering whether I should consider uploading images larger than  
900 pixels high.


What others do.  Do you just use the 900 pixel minimum height or do  
 you upload something larger?



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Re: PPG - What size do you use to upload?

[kwaller]

900.
Don't see any reason to upload anything bigger

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- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" 

Subject: PPG - What size do you use to upload?



G'day all

The PPG states that the minimum size for uploading is 900 pixels high  and 
this is what I've been using.  This size seems to be large enough  to 
avoid images being enlarged for viewing, except when viewed on very  large 
monitors (for example, on my 22" widescreen at 1680 x 1050  resolution, 
the images display at about 800 pixels high in a normal  browser window - 
which is fine - although they would be resized up to  about 928 pixels 
high if viewed full screen on that monitor).


As PPG is going to allow us to upload higher res versions of images 
accepted before the 'New' PPG went online in October, I was wondering 
whether I should consider uploading images larger than 900 pixels high.


What others do.  Do you just use the 900 pixel minimum height or do  you 
upload something larger?



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Re: PPG - What size do you use to upload?

[Bong Manayon]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G'day all
>
> As PPG is going to allow us to upload higher res versions of images accepted
> before the 'New' PPG went online in October, I was wondering whether I
> should consider uploading images larger than 900 pixels high.
>
> What others do.  Do you just use the 900 pixel minimum height or do you
> upload something larger?

It says that "Images greater than 900 pixels high will be
automatically resized" so would uploading anything larger may not make
a difference.  It does not appear that they archive the original file
so that does not seem to be a way to 'future-proof' your uploads.

Yeah...I upload 900 pixels high; so any sharpening is not tampered by
the resize.

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Re: PPG - Uploading of High Resolution Old Images

[Ann Sanfedele]

Good news indeed!

thanks, Brian

ann

On 1/17/2012 01:08, apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:

G'day all

Just browsing my PPG account and I see a notification which states:

"For a limited time only, Photo Gallery users will be able to update
images uploaded before the new redesign to a higher resolution. More
info to come shortly!"

This is good news because those early images look quite soft when viewed
on larger monitors.



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RE: PPG

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Yes. She keeps those scraps in a lovely handbag I got her a couple of weeks 
ago...

;-)

cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Bob W 
Sent: January 3, 2012 1/3/12
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
Subject: RE: PPG

> >
> > Art who ?
> >
> > Garfunkle.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > frank
> >
> 
> Well, Garfunkle to you too!
> There is no need to be using that kind of language here Frank! I am
> surprised at you.
> 

don't worry - he'll feel better once the missus has tossed him a few scraps
of meat...

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RE: PPG

[Bob W]

> >
> > Art who ?
> >
> > Garfunkle.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > frank
> >
> 
> Well, Garfunkle to you too!
> There is no need to be using that kind of language here Frank! I am
> surprised at you.
> 

don't worry - he'll feel better once the missus has tossed him a few scraps
of meat...

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Re: PPG

[Stan Halpin]

On Jan 3, 2012, at 4:45 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: kwal...@peoplepc.com
> Sent: January 3, 2012 1/3/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PPG
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> Art who ?
> 
> Garfunkle.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 

Well, Garfunkle to you too! 
There is no need to be using that kind of language here Frank! I am surprised 
at you.

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Re: PPG

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

--- Original Message ---

From: kwal...@peoplepc.com
Sent: January 3, 2012 1/3/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PPG


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Art who ?

Garfunkle.

Cheers,
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Re: PPG

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Subject: RE: PPG


It's humour. 


It was called Dog Shit but it's actually a photo of llama dung.

He's screwing with our heads.

It was Steve Desjardins' submission. Wicked sense of humour, Steve.

Of course it could also be art...


Art who ?



;-)

cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
Sent: January 3, 2012 1/3/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PPG

It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
mundane of objects.

There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.

Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?

I have not yet made up my mind.  Go and vote on images in the PPG, and
perhaps you will find it and then you can decide for yourself.

Of course, if it is accepted into the gallery, then we can all view it
and debate whether it is art or just a pile of crap.

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Re: PPG

[Jack Davis]

Why do you suppose I'm a member?

Jack ;)


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Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: PPG

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Looking to shock. Maladjusted and impatient for recognition of any kind.

Looking to shock? Maladjusted and impatient for recognition of any
kind? Join PDML!

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Re: PPG

[Jack Davis]

Including me..most of all.
 
Jack


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Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: PPG

Could have been any one of us then.

Cheers,
frank

:-)

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Sent: January 3, 2012 1/3/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PPG

Looking to shock. Maladjusted and impatient for recognition of any kind.
 
Jack


- Original Message -
From: Daniel J. Matyola 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:31 AM
Subject: PPG

It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
mundane of objects.

There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.

Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?

I have not yet made up my mind.  Go and vote on images in the PPG, and
perhaps you will find it and then you can decide for yourself.

Of course, if it is accepted into the gallery, then we can all view it
and debate whether it is art or just a pile of crap.

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Re: PPG

[Darren Addy]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Looking to shock. Maladjusted and impatient for recognition of any kind.

Looking to shock? Maladjusted and impatient for recognition of any
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Re: PPG

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Could have been any one of us then.

Cheers,
frank

:-)

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Sent: January 3, 2012 1/3/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PPG

Looking to shock. Maladjusted and impatient for recognition of any kind.
 
Jack


- Original Message -
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Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:31 AM
Subject: PPG

It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
mundane of objects.

There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.

Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?

I have not yet made up my mind.  Go and vote on images in the PPG, and
perhaps you will find it and then you can decide for yourself.

Of course, if it is accepted into the gallery, then we can all view it
and debate whether it is art or just a pile of crap.

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Re: PPG

[Jack Davis]

Looking to shock. Maladjusted and impatient for recognition of any kind.
 
Jack


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Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:31 AM
Subject: PPG

It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
mundane of objects.

There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.

Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?

I have not yet made up my mind.  Go and vote on images in the PPG, and
perhaps you will find it and then you can decide for yourself.

Of course, if it is accepted into the gallery, then we can all view it
and debate whether it is art or just a pile of crap.

Dan Matyola
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RE: PPG

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

It's humour. 

It was called Dog Shit but it's actually a photo of llama dung.

He's screwing with our heads.

It was Steve Desjardins' submission. Wicked sense of humour, Steve.

Of course it could also be art...

;-)

cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
Sent: January 3, 2012 1/3/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PPG

It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
mundane of objects.

There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
 Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.

Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?

I have not yet made up my mind.  Go and vote on images in the PPG, and
perhaps you will find it and then you can decide for yourself.

Of course, if it is accepted into the gallery, then we can all view it
and debate whether it is art or just a pile of crap.

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Re: PPG

[Mark Roberts]

>Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>>It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
>>mundane of objects.
>>
>>There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
>>point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
>>and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
>> Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.
>>
>>Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?
>
>Hre's my guess: He's lined up a group of friends to vote "yes" on it -
>as a *test* to see if the Pentax Photo Gallery has gone to a
>peer-vote-only approval system.

Make that "Here's my guess..."
 
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Re: PPG

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Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

>It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
>mundane of objects.
>
>There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
>point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
>and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
> Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.
>
>Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?

Hre's my guess: He's lined up a group of friends to vote "yes" on it -
as a *test* to see if the Pentax Photo Gallery has gone to a
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Re: PPG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Well, much of what I saw at the Tate Modern was a pile of crap.
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On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:08 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> On 1/3/2012 10:31 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
>> mundane of objects.
>>
>> There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
>> point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
>> and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
>>  Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.
>>
>> Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?
>>
>> I have not yet made up my mind.  Go and vote on images in the PPG, and
>> perhaps you will find it and then you can decide for yourself.
>>
>> Of course, if it is accepted into the gallery, then we can all view it
>> and debate whether it is art or just a pile of crap.
>
>
> Based on modern art, I'd ask; Can't it be both?
>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>
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Re: PPG

[P. J. Alling]

On 1/3/2012 10:31 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
mundane of objects.

There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
  Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.

Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?

I have not yet made up my mind.  Go and vote on images in the PPG, and
perhaps you will find it and then you can decide for yourself.

Of course, if it is accepted into the gallery, then we can all view it
and debate whether it is art or just a pile of crap.


Based on modern art, I'd ask; Can't it be both?


Dan Matyola
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Re: PPG

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 1/3/2012 10:31, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

It is said that a good photographer can find art or beauty in the most
mundane of objects.

There is a Pentax photographer who seems determined to prove that
point.  He or she has posted an image to the PPG entitled "Dog Shit,"
and yes, the image depicts exactly what the title leads one to expect.
  Dog Shit.  Lying in the grass.

Art?  Humor?  Anger?  Or perhaps did he or she just have a shitty day?

(snip...)

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Well you just convinced me not to vote today

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Re: PPG - same day approval

[AlunFoto]

Jack wrote:
> I was surprised at offerings being approved and declined on New Years Day.
> Must be totally computer managed.

I had some images accepted on Christmas day.
They took only three days from submission to decision.
I agree on the management.

Bong wrote:
> Maybe a lot were on holiday and had nothing to do but vote?

Indeed. :-)

It lends support to the theory that the submission process
is on autopilot. I also noticed Pentax Imaging posting a status on
Facebook around 20. dec. stating that the voting period for your
own images could be shortened by casting votes.

Ann wrote:
> H
> maybe they zip through stuff from people that are "established" on the
> site and don't throw the stuff to the um voting public

I've cast a lot of votes myself over the holidays.
Maybe my site karma is good these days. :-)

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Re: PPG - same day approval

[Bong Manayon]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:48 AM, AlunFoto  wrote:
> Submitted a couple of shots to PPG this morning, and when I took a
> peek tonight they were already approved.
> Anybody know what's going on?
>

Maybe a lot were on holiday and had nothing to do but vote?

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Re: PPG - same day approval

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 1/2/2012 17:48, AlunFoto wrote:

Submitted a couple of shots to PPG this morning, and when I took a
peek tonight they were already approved.
Anybody know what's going on?

Jostein


H
maybe they zip through stuff from people that are "established" on the 
site and don't throw the stuff to the um voting public


I haven't had a chance to vote or send anything for the last couple of 
weeks so it is tempting to hurry and send one :-)


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Re: PPG - same day approval

[Jack Davis]

I was surprised at offerings being approved and declined on New Years Day. Must 
be totally computer managed.

Jack


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Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: PPG - same day approval

I just re-uploaded 2 pictures and it balked at the third one, and I
had 2 rejected this week.  It said that I could upload more when my
week had expired.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012, at 11:48 PM, AlunFoto wrote:
>> Submitted a couple of shots to PPG this morning, and when I took a
>> peek tonight they were already approved.
>> Anybody know what's going on?
>
>
> Not a clue, but two I uploaded last night had been approved this morning
> (less than 12 hours).
>
> The other odd thing is that, according to my calculations, I shouldn't
> have been able to upload those two images as I'd already uploaded 5
> within the week.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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Re: PPG - same day approval

[David Parsons]

I just re-uploaded 2 pictures and it balked at the third one, and I
had 2 rejected this week.  It said that I could upload more when my
week had expired.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012, at 11:48 PM, AlunFoto wrote:
>> Submitted a couple of shots to PPG this morning, and when I took a
>> peek tonight they were already approved.
>> Anybody know what's going on?
>
>
> Not a clue, but two I uploaded last night had been approved this morning
> (less than 12 hours).
>
> The other odd thing is that, according to my calculations, I shouldn't
> have been able to upload those two images as I'd already uploaded 5
> within the week.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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Re: PPG - same day approval

[Brian Walters]

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012, at 06:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> I think that now, if any are rejected in the week that they were
> submitted, you can upload replacements for the rejected images -- but
> not for the ones that were accepted.  At least, that is what happened
> to me this week.



That makes sense.  I did have two declined this week.


Cheers

Brian

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> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Brian Walters 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 2, 2012, at 11:48 PM, AlunFoto wrote:
> >> Submitted a couple of shots to PPG this morning, and when I took a
> >> peek tonight they were already approved.
> >> Anybody know what's going on?
> >
> >
> > Not a clue, but two I uploaded last night had been approved this morning
> > (less than 12 hours).
> >
> > The other odd thing is that, according to my calculations, I shouldn't
> > have been able to upload those two images as I'd already uploaded 5
> > within the week.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
> > Brian Walters
> > Western Sydney Australia
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Re: PPG - same day approval

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I think that now, if any are rejected in the week that they were
submitted, you can upload replacements for the rejected images -- but
not for the ones that were accepted.  At least, that is what happened
to me this week.

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On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012, at 11:48 PM, AlunFoto wrote:
>> Submitted a couple of shots to PPG this morning, and when I took a
>> peek tonight they were already approved.
>> Anybody know what's going on?
>
>
> Not a clue, but two I uploaded last night had been approved this morning
> (less than 12 hours).
>
> The other odd thing is that, according to my calculations, I shouldn't
> have been able to upload those two images as I'd already uploaded 5
> within the week.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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Re: PPG - same day approval

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On Mon, Jan 2, 2012, at 11:48 PM, AlunFoto wrote:
> Submitted a couple of shots to PPG this morning, and when I took a
> peek tonight they were already approved.
> Anybody know what's going on?


Not a clue, but two I uploaded last night had been approved this morning
(less than 12 hours).

The other odd thing is that, according to my calculations, I shouldn't
have been able to upload those two images as I'd already uploaded 5
within the week.


Cheers

Brian

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Re: PPG - same day approval

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The same thing happened to me today:  One accepted, one rejected
within about 18 hours.

The voting is movbing very quickly these days.

Dan
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Re: PPG

[Jack Davis]

I'm finding the same sort of pattern. Submitted 7 over a two day period 6 of 
which were approved. Timing for their to be a decision can be very brief and 
that together with the high approval ratio makes me slightly ambivalent as to 
the level of judgment being applied..

Jack.


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Subject: Re: PPG

Interesting.

3 of my 5 submissions on Wednesday were accepted on Thursday of this week, 
fastest response ever for me.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
Subject: PPG


> Wow.
>
> My latest submission to the PPG was rejected in LESS than 18 Hours.
>
> That is, I believe, the definition of "short shrift."
>
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Re: PPG

[Jack Davis]

Earlier, I asked a few questions of Pentax about the yea/nay accept/reject 
policy, but they were never answered.
Whatever it is, it must be flexible and accommodating to the press of uploads 
and voting. I don't consider it a personal offense, however, that I wasn't 
given an answer. I might haveset it up ion a like manner.

Jack




- Original Message -
From: Daniel J. Matyola 
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Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: PPG

I'm not sure how long it took my last image to be accepted, but it was
three days or less.  This last rejection shocked me a bit, however.  I
started to upload last night, but was interrupted after one image, so
I stopped.  When I signed on this afternoon, less that 18 hours after
that upload, it had already been rejected.  So, I decided to wait
until after dinner before uploading the others I had planned to add
last night.

They must have a lot of photographers voting on images now, for that
many negative votes to be recorded between 11:00 PM and 4:00 PM the
next day!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:26 PM,   wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> 3 of my 5 submissions on Wednesday were accepted on Thursday of this week,
> fastest response ever for me.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
> 
> Subject: PPG
>
>
>
>> Wow.
>>
>> My latest submission to the PPG was rejected in LESS than 18 Hours.
>>
>> That is, I believe, the definition of "short shrift."
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
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Re: PPG

[wendy beard]

After the earlier discussions about the PPG I decided to go and do
some voting this afternoon. Hope I didn't give "thumb down" to one of
yours!

wendy

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> I'm not sure how long it took my last image to be accepted, but it was
> three days or less.  This last rejection shocked me a bit, however.  I
> started to upload last night, but was interrupted after one image, so
> I stopped.  When I signed on this afternoon, less that 18 hours after
> that upload, it had already been rejected.  So, I decided to wait
> until after dinner before uploading the others I had planned to add
> last night.
>
> They must have a lot of photographers voting on images now, for that
> many negative votes to be recorded between 11:00 PM and 4:00 PM the
> next day!
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:26 PM,   wrote:
>> Interesting.
>>
>> 3 of my 5 submissions on Wednesday were accepted on Thursday of this week,
>> fastest response ever for me.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>> 
>> Subject: PPG
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> My latest submission to the PPG was rejected in LESS than 18 Hours.
>>>
>>> That is, I believe, the definition of "short shrift."
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

Yes, the approval/rejection process has been quick this week.  I
uploaded on Wednesday evening and they had all been processed by
Thursday evening.


Cheers

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 05:39 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> I'm not sure how long it took my last image to be accepted, but it was
> three days or less.  This last rejection shocked me a bit, however.  I
> started to upload last night, but was interrupted after one image, so
> I stopped.  When I signed on this afternoon, less that 18 hours after
> that upload, it had already been rejected.  So, I decided to wait
> until after dinner before uploading the others I had planned to add
> last night.
> 
> They must have a lot of photographers voting on images now, for that
> many negative votes to be recorded between 11:00 PM and 4:00 PM the
> next day!
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:26 PM,   wrote:
> > Interesting.
> >
> > 3 of my 5 submissions on Wednesday were accepted on Thursday of this week,
> > fastest response ever for me.
> >
> > Kenneth Waller
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
> > 
> > Subject: PPG
> >
> >
> >
> >> Wow.
> >>
> >> My latest submission to the PPG was rejected in LESS than 18 Hours.
> >>
> >> That is, I believe, the definition of "short shrift."
> >>
> >> Dan Matyola
> >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >
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Re: PPG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I'm not sure how long it took my last image to be accepted, but it was
three days or less.  This last rejection shocked me a bit, however.  I
started to upload last night, but was interrupted after one image, so
I stopped.  When I signed on this afternoon, less that 18 hours after
that upload, it had already been rejected.  So, I decided to wait
until after dinner before uploading the others I had planned to add
last night.

They must have a lot of photographers voting on images now, for that
many negative votes to be recorded between 11:00 PM and 4:00 PM the
next day!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:26 PM,   wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> 3 of my 5 submissions on Wednesday were accepted on Thursday of this week,
> fastest response ever for me.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
> 
> Subject: PPG
>
>
>
>> Wow.
>>
>> My latest submission to the PPG was rejected in LESS than 18 Hours.
>>
>> That is, I believe, the definition of "short shrift."
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
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Re: PPG

[kwaller]

Interesting.

3 of my 5 submissions on Wednesday were accepted on Thursday of this week, 
fastest response ever for me.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 

Subject: PPG



Wow.

My latest submission to the PPG was rejected in LESS than 18 Hours.

That is, I believe, the definition of "short shrift."

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011, at 01:53 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
> 
> On Dec 28, 2011, at 22:14 , Brian Walters wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011, at 12:48 AM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
>  They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.
> >> 
> >> Didn't see that on the current listing of submission rules.
> > 
> > 
> > I think this is the rule that Ann is referring to:
> > 
> > "Photographs should not be overly manipulated with filters and effects
> > unless done in-camera and loaded to the in-camera effects category. Some
> > dodging and burning to reveal an image is allowed, however, it is not
> > acceptable to move around pixels or add or remove elements. Cropping is
> > allowed."
> > 
> > As I said, there doesn't seem to be any point in a dedicated HDR
> > category unless significant post manipulation is carried out.  At the
> > very least, blending of two exposures would seem to be necessary.  I
> > think the rule has to be taken with a grain of salt.
> 
> 
> Gotta get rid of that Spotmatic Brian!   :-)


Which one??

:-)>


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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011, at 01:51 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
> 
> On Dec 28, 2011, at 21:29 , Brian Walters wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 09:55 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  but I was rather taken aback
> >>> by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?
> >> 
> >> They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.
> > 
> > 
> > But there's actually a dedicated "HDR" category as well as an "In Camera
> > Effects" category.  There doesn't seem to be much point in having a
> > separate HDR category unless they expect submissions to be manipulated
> > in post.
> 
> Most of the newer Pentax cameras, especially the P&S, have built in HDR,
> in-camera effects, and more (frames on my Z-10). I'll wager that's what
> Pentax is highlighting, to sell more cameras. Computer HDR-NO  Camera
> HDR-YES


Except that, the 'rule' referred to in a previous post says that
anything done in-camera has to be loaded to the "In-camera Effects"
gallery.  So, why a separate HDR Category?


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Re: PPG

[Bruce Walker]

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Robert and Leigh Woerner
 wrote:
>
> alas, I am with friends

You've captured the tenor of the PDML in five words.

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RE: PPG

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W"


I still think Dire Straits *NAILED* it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wefT_t2lHU

I had a 5 year old kid tell me this week that "Photography can't be
art,
because you don't draw anything."

A SNOT NOSED 5 YEAR OLD!


tell him that sometimes you draw blood.


Her. And her mother was there.

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Re: PPG

[Robert and Leigh Woerner]

haha, love my "addition of additional", should have proof read betteralas, 
I 
am with friends




- Original Message 
From: Robert and Leigh Woerner 
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Sent: Thu, December 29, 2011 5:09:58 PM
Subject: Re:PPG

Hello all,

I for one am happy that Pentax/Ricoh have the gallery. I often participate in 
"judging".  It's not a perfect system, but, I think many of the images are far 
better than those found on photo.net (and no annoying pop-ups). I have entered 
images in a local photography contest(Greenwood SC Festival of 
Flowers/FujiFilm), great images IMO, with only one honorable mention after nine 
entries in three years. Each year it cost me about $150 for scanning, printing, 
and mounting and the entry fee each time was only $15. Beauty is in the eye of 
the beholder.  


I plan to enter images in the Pentax/Ricoh gallery in the near future, the hard 
part will be getting them scanned.  Most of my images are on film.

Pentax/Ricoh's gallery could be greatly improved with the addition of 
additional 

categories as suggested here. 


Do any of the other "major" camera makers, DSLRs in particular, have equivalent 
free galleries?

With regard,

Robert


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RE: PPG

[Bob W]

> > I don't take the category into account--much--because I recognize how
> > difficult it can be to decide what category might apply. Into which
> > category would you place a static shot of a Classic Car, for example?
> >
> > "Photos must be selected for one of these categories: Abstract, B&W,
> > Cityscape/ Urban, Documentary, Glamour/Fashion, HDR, In-Camera
> > Effects, Landscapes, Lifestyle, Macro, Nature, Portraiture,
> > Sports/Action, Travel, Food."
> 
> 
> Classic Car shot = Documentary   = Sports/Action if it's moving =
> Food if it's a particularly delicious auto.
> 
> Seriously, they should have a category of "Transportation".  The
> Smithsonian does, several!
> 

They should use the Dewey Decimal System.

B


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Re: PPG

[Joseph McAllister]

On Dec 29, 2011, at 06:00 , Bruce Walker wrote:

> I don't take the category into account--much--because I recognize how
> difficult it can be to decide what category might apply. Into which
> category would you place a static shot of a Classic Car, for example?
> 
> "Photos must be selected for one of these categories: Abstract, B&W,
> Cityscape/ Urban, Documentary, Glamour/Fashion, HDR, In-Camera
> Effects, Landscapes, Lifestyle, Macro, Nature, Portraiture,
> Sports/Action, Travel, Food."


Classic Car shot = Documentary   = Sports/Action if it's moving =  Food if 
it's a particularly delicious auto.

Seriously, they should have a category of "Transportation".  The Smithsonian 
does, several!

Joseph McAllister
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Re: PPG

[Joseph McAllister]

On Dec 28, 2011, at 22:14 , Brian Walters wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011, at 12:48 AM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.
>> 
>> Didn't see that on the current listing of submission rules.
> 
> 
> I think this is the rule that Ann is referring to:
> 
> "Photographs should not be overly manipulated with filters and effects
> unless done in-camera and loaded to the in-camera effects category. Some
> dodging and burning to reveal an image is allowed, however, it is not
> acceptable to move around pixels or add or remove elements. Cropping is
> allowed."
> 
> As I said, there doesn't seem to be any point in a dedicated HDR
> category unless significant post manipulation is carried out.  At the
> very least, blending of two exposures would seem to be necessary.  I
> think the rule has to be taken with a grain of salt.


Gotta get rid of that Spotmatic Brian!   :-)


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Re: PPG

[Joseph McAllister]

On Dec 28, 2011, at 21:29 , Brian Walters wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 09:55 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  but I was rather taken aback
>>> by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?
>> 
>> They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.
> 
> 
> But there's actually a dedicated "HDR" category as well as an "In Camera
> Effects" category.  There doesn't seem to be much point in having a
> separate HDR category unless they expect submissions to be manipulated
> in post.

Most of the newer Pentax cameras, especially the P&S, have built in HDR, 
in-camera effects, and more (frames on my Z-10). I'll wager that's what Pentax 
is highlighting, to sell more cameras. Computer HDR-NO  Camera HDR-YES

Joseph McAllister
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RE: PPG

[Bob W]

> 
> I still think Dire Straits *NAILED* it.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wefT_t2lHU
> 
> I had a 5 year old kid tell me this week that "Photography can't be
> art,
> because you don't draw anything."
> 
> A SNOT NOSED 5 YEAR OLD!
> 

tell him that sometimes you draw blood.

B


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Re: PPG

[John Sessoms]

From: Ann Sanfedele


OTOH  a couple of weeks ago I had a browse of the "premiere" images and,
WOW - lots of outstanding stuff and by no means (just) the
"oversaturated landscapes".  I've scratched my head over what
was accepted of mine and what rejected that I thought was better than
the acceptees. Just look at it for what it is, another op to
get your work seen by a wider audience... and the new format is much
better, too.

ann


I still think Dire Straits *NAILED* it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wefT_t2lHU

I had a 5 year old kid tell me this week that "Photography can't be art, 
because you don't draw anything."


A SNOT NOSED 5 YEAR OLD!

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Re: PPG

[John Sessoms]

Hmmm? That sounds like a great idea.

Let's have a gallery site to showcase the awesome work the photographers 
who use our cameras are doing and fix the voting so the lowest common 
denominator can block anything they don't understand.



From: Paul Stenquist


I like it, but I can see how a silhouette might be rejected without much 
thought on the part of critiquers. Remember, many of the photographer judges 
are shooters of minimal to modest experience. Anything that's a departure from 
the norm is likely to fail in the peer judging. Paul On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:15 
PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I'm not sure what we can learn from this, but last week I submitted my
shot that was exhibited at the curated Chicago Scharpenberg Gallery in
2010, "PDML Augenblick". It was rejected by the PPG in 4 days.

(It's this one: http://500px.com/photo/1422532 )

I'm going to resubmit it just for grins, but I was rather taken aback
by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?

http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bmw


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

The Pentax Photo Gallery appears to be up to date.

I spent some time last night voting on images, and the ran out of
images to show me!

I recently submitted some new images, and they were all rejected -- in
two days!  I never expect everyone to like what I do, but neither did
I anticipate such a bum's rush!

Either the voters are getting pickier again, or Pentax is reviewing
the images more closely than a month or so ago.

Dan Matyola
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Re: PPG

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 12/29/2011 02:41, Darren Addy wrote:

Rightly or wrongly, I take the category into account when voting for an image.

If I believed in souls being tormented after death then I would
probably also hope that there is a special level of hell for those who
submitted color photos in the Black&  White category and non-abstract
photos in the Abstract category. Too harsh?

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska


well considering how easy it is to typo - perhaps :-)

but "Abstract" can be a bit tricky.

I have a problem with "lifestyle" (don't go there, Cotty)
versus um say "urban" and note that sometimes "nature" and
"Wildlife" images get confused.  If they really want to drop things into 
precise slots I think it would help to elaborate.  Is anything with
buildings in it prominately "Architecture"? "Cityscape/Urban" or 
"travel" ? No "street photography" or "Photo-journalist" category -

just "Documentary"

There are some blurry lines there.

ann

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Re: PPG

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 12/29/2011 00:48, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.


Didn't see that on the current listing of submission rules.


will re-read .  certainly said something like that when I first 
submitted something -


ann



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- Original Message - From: "Brian Walters" 
Subject: Re: PPG



On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 09:55 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:



but I was rather taken aback
> by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?

They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.



But there's actually a dedicated "HDR" category as well as an "In Camera
Effects" category. There doesn't seem to be much point in having a
separate HDR category unless they expect submissions to be manipulated
in post.



Cheers

Brian





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Re: PPG

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 12/29/2011 00:33, Brian Walters wrote:

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I agree.  The Premiere Collection is stunning.  I visit it every now
and them for inspirition.



Same here but there doesn't seem to be any new stuff there recently.
I'm not even sure that anything has been added since the PPG was
restarted - certainly none in the last month.


Cheers

Brian

Well that's a good thing, I think... (I had not looked at it in the past 
year.) definitely something that should not be added to quickly


ann

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Re: PPG

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 12/29/2011 00:29, Brian Walters wrote:

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 09:55 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:



   but I was rather taken aback

by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?


They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.

>
But there's actually a dedicated "HDR" category as well as an "In Camera
Effects" category.  There doesn't seem to be much point in having a
separate HDR category unless they expect submissions to be manipulated
in post.
>
Cheers

Brian


true but...
actually, I thought that some of the cameras had in-camera HDR 
"settings" of some sort...


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Re: PPG

[Robert and Leigh Woerner]

LOL!



- Original Message 
From: Bruce Walker 
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Sent: Wed, December 28, 2011 10:21:14 PM
Subject: Re: PPG

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
> I agree with Paul.  It is a wonderful image, but it might be voted
> down by some if they view it quickly without studying it.

Heh. From "Your Photo Gallery > Understand the Submission Process" ...

"2. Artists will approve or deny a photo, based upon technical
proficiency and artistic concept, including compositions, color,
subject & form"

2a. Or after viewing it quickly without study. Tough titties.

:-)


>
> Dan
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> I'm not sure what we can learn from this, but last week I submitted my
>> shot that was exhibited at the curated Chicago Scharpenberg Gallery in
>> 2010, "PDML Augenblick". It was rejected by the PPG in 4 days.
>>
>> (It's this one: http://500px.com/photo/1422532 )
>>
>> I'm going to resubmit it just for grins, but I was rather taken aback
>> by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?
>>
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bmw
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> The Pentax Photo Gallery appears to be up to date.
>>>
>>> I spent some time last night voting on images, and the ran out of
>>> images to show me!
>>>
>>> I recently submitted some new images, and they were all rejected -- in
>>> two days!  I never expect everyone to like what I do, but neither did
>>> I anticipate such a bum's rush!
>>>
>>> Either the voters are getting pickier again, or Pentax is reviewing
>>> the images more closely than a month or so ago.
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: PPG

[Bruce Walker]

I don't take the category into account--much--because I recognize how
difficult it can be to decide what category might apply. Into which
category would you place a static shot of a Classic Car, for example?

"Photos must be selected for one of these categories: Abstract, B&W,
Cityscape/ Urban, Documentary, Glamour/Fashion, HDR, In-Camera
Effects, Landscapes, Lifestyle, Macro, Nature, Portraiture,
Sports/Action, Travel, Food."

What about a tinted duo-tone? I'd put it under B&W except that I'm
afraid the unwashed masses would say, "Oi! That's color!
Bzzzt!"

I think that the PPG admins could easily switch the Category to a more
appropriate one where the submitter quite clearly goofed up, like a
landscape tagged as Portraiture.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Rightly or wrongly, I take the category into account when voting for an image.
>
> If I believed in souls being tormented after death then I would
> probably also hope that there is a special level of hell for those who
> submitted color photos in the Black & White category and non-abstract
> photos in the Abstract category. Too harsh?
>
> Darren Addy
> Kearney, Nebraska


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Re: PPG

[Darren Addy]

Rightly or wrongly, I take the category into account when voting for an image.

If I believed in souls being tormented after death then I would
probably also hope that there is a special level of hell for those who
submitted color photos in the Black & White category and non-abstract
photos in the Abstract category. Too harsh?

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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011, at 12:48 AM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
> >> They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.
> 
> Didn't see that on the current listing of submission rules.


I think this is the rule that Ann is referring to:

"Photographs should not be overly manipulated with filters and effects
unless done in-camera and loaded to the in-camera effects category. Some
dodging and burning to reveal an image is allowed, however, it is not
acceptable to move around pixels or add or remove elements. Cropping is
allowed."

As I said, there doesn't seem to be any point in a dedicated HDR
category unless significant post manipulation is carried out.  At the
very least, blending of two exposures would seem to be necessary.  I
think the rule has to be taken with a grain of salt.



Cheers

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> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brian Walters" 
> Subject: Re: PPG
> 
> 
> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 09:55 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   but I was rather taken aback
> >> > by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?
> >> 
> >> They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.
> > 
> > 
> > But there's actually a dedicated "HDR" category as well as an "In Camera
> > Effects" category.  There doesn't seem to be much point in having a
> > separate HDR category unless they expect submissions to be manipulated
> > in post.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Brian
> 
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Re: PPG

[kwaller]

They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.


Didn't see that on the current listing of submission rules.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" 

Subject: Re: PPG



On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 09:55 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:



  but I was rather taken aback
> by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?

They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.



But there's actually a dedicated "HDR" category as well as an "In Camera
Effects" category.  There doesn't seem to be much point in having a
separate HDR category unless they expect submissions to be manipulated
in post.



Cheers

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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> I agree.  The Premiere Collection is stunning.  I visit it every now
> and them for inspirition.


Same here but there doesn't seem to be any new stuff there recently. 
I'm not even sure that anything has been added since the PPG was
restarted - certainly none in the last month.



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> 
> Dan
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ann Sanfedele 
> wrote:
> > OTOH  a couple of weeks ago I had a browse of the "premiere" images and, WOW
> > - lots of outstanding stuff and by no means (just) the "oversaturated
> > landscapes".  I've scratched my head over what
> > was accepted of mine and what rejected that I thought was better than the
> > acceptees. Just look at it for what it is, another op to
> > get your work seen by a wider audience... and the new format is much better,
> > too.
> >
> > ann
> >
> > On 12/28/2011 22:15, Bruce Walker wrote:
> >>
> >> Which pretty much validates my original hesitation in bothering to
> >> submit to the PPG. Kinda reduces it to the level of Flickr.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Paul Stenquist
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I like it, but I can see how a silhouette might be rejected without much
> >>> thought on the part of critiquers. Remember, many of the photographer 
> >>> judges
> >>> are shooters of minimal to modest experience. Anything that's a departure
> >>> from the norm is likely to fail in the peer judging.
> >>> Paul
> >>> On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> >>>
>  I'm not sure what we can learn from this, but last week I submitted my
>  shot that was exhibited at the curated Chicago Scharpenberg Gallery in
>  2010, "PDML Augenblick". It was rejected by the PPG in 4 days.
> 
>  (It's this one: http://500px.com/photo/1422532 )
> 
>  I'm going to resubmit it just for grins, but I was rather taken aback
>  by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?
> 
>  http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bmw
> 
> 
>  On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>   wrote:
> >
> >
> > The Pentax Photo Gallery appears to be up to date.
> >
> > I spent some time last night voting on images, and the ran out of
> > images to show me!
> >
> > I recently submitted some new images, and they were all rejected -- in
> > two days!  I never expect everyone to like what I do, but neither did
> > I anticipate such a bum's rush!
> >
> > Either the voters are getting pickier again, or Pentax is reviewing
> > the images more closely than a month or so ago.
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: PPG

[Brian Walters]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 09:55 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> 
> 
>   but I was rather taken aback
> > by that. Maybe it would help if I HDR'ed it first?
> 
> They don't want any out of camera fiddling, according to the rules.


But there's actually a dedicated "HDR" category as well as an "In Camera
Effects" category.  There doesn't seem to be much point in having a
separate HDR category unless they expect submissions to be manipulated
in post.



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> 
> I'm not sure it was rejected on aesthetic grounds but on not showing
> what the camera can do to best effect.  I see little "halos" kinda, 
> around the edges of the horse and I bet that dropped it out.
> 
> Or you just fell into a bunch of scenic only types judging at that
> particular time.
> 
> ann
> 
> >
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bmw
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The Pentax Photo Gallery appears to be up to date.
> >>
> >> I spent some time last night voting on images, and the ran out of
> >> images to show me!
> >>
> >> I recently submitted some new images, and they were all rejected -- in
> >> two days!  I never expect everyone to like what I do, but neither did
> >> I anticipate such a bum's rush!
> >>
> >> Either the voters are getting pickier again, or Pentax is reviewing
> >> the images more closely than a month or so ago.
> >>
> >> Dan Matyola
> >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >
> >
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