Re: [HACKERS] rpm support for 7.4 and beyond

2003-11-12 Thread Lamar Owen
is currently very busy. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once

Re: [HACKERS] rpm support for 7.4 and beyond

2003-11-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 11:51 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Lamar Owen wrote: The biggest issue is going to be 'will it build' on those releases. The tcl version deal (with tcl prior to 8.1) Tom applied a patch so that the build will continue to work on 8.0.x

Re: [HACKERS] rpm support for 7.4 and beyond

2003-11-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 13 November 2003 12:09 am, Matthew T. O'Connor wrote: On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 23:44, Lamar Owen wrote: My hands are somewhat tied at the present to only supporting what I actively run. That is currently RHL 8.0 and Fedora Core 1. (not 1.0, incidentally; there is no minor version

Re: [HACKERS] A big thanks to SuSE

2003-11-19 Thread Lamar Owen
is good for PostgreSQL. And he is getting paid to do it, unlike me. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7

Re: [HACKERS] A big thanks to SuSE

2003-11-19 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:02 pm, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Lamar Owen writes: And he is getting paid to do it, unlike me. That's news to me. :-) Reinhard Max is getting paid to do it, not you. Bad english on my part. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical

[HACKERS] First generic/redhatish RPM's uploaded to ftp.postgresql.org.

2003-11-21 Thread Lamar Owen
this mail and gets the time to build them, as he has already asked to help do this. I have RH 8.0 at my disposal, and will build those. I will also be building Aurora 1.0 packages. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] First generic/redhatish RPM's uploaded to ftp.postgresql.org.

2003-11-21 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday 21 November 2003 01:13 pm, Lamar Owen wrote: I have uploaded a first cut at the RPM's to ftp.postgresql.org. While I am not 100% convinced of the need to do so, I have restructured the directories, and await comment on that. I expect RH 7.3, RH9, and RH 6.2 packages shortly from

Re: [HACKERS] Updates for RPMS.

2003-11-25 Thread Lamar Owen
this; but at the moment it is manual. The spec file does check the build89 macro, and, if defined, throws in the right value for kerberos. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end

[HACKERS] Updates for RPMS.

2003-11-24 Thread Lamar Owen
. This will just be spec file changes, probably, unless another bug appears in the initscript. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end of broadcast

Re: [HACKERS] -fpic vs. -fPIC

2003-11-29 Thread Lamar Owen
and be Fedora Core based. So, I ask, why change something that is going to work every time to something that may very well break silently in the future? (yes, I know about the performance difference; is the increased performance worth the tradeoff?) -- Lamar Owen Director of Information

Re: [HACKERS] -fpic vs. -fPIC

2003-11-29 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 29 November 2003 01:07 pm, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The project lead for the Aurora SPARC Linux project is who recommended it in the first place; We were told equally positively, by equally well-informed persons, that we should prefer -fpic if at all

Re: [HACKERS] rebuilding rpm for RH9 error

2003-12-02 Thread Lamar Owen
installed at the same time. I am investigating the best way of correcting this without breaking too many things. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end

Re: [HACKERS] rebuilding rpm for RH9 error

2003-12-02 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday 02 December 2003 06:29 pm, Gaetano Mendola wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: You need to specify that you are building for Red Hat 9 on the command I'll try. Ok. PS: the 7.4 will be remembered as the longest release to be developed and for the longest period needed in order to have

Re: [HACKERS] rebuilding rpm for RH9 error

2003-12-04 Thread Lamar Owen
; in fact, I have delayed release of the 7.3.5 RPMset because of this. I'd love to check it out with 7.3.5. (however, real work keeps getting in the way today; it may be a tonight thing, with the upload to happen tomorrow). -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical

Re: [HACKERS] Little mess in RPM RH ?

2003-12-30 Thread Lamar Owen
that Red Hat has in its enterprise directory). That box isn't a devel box, but I am building up (while I'm on vacation) a devel box. So I'll be building RPMs on that box with WBEL which should install on RHEL3. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1

Re: [HACKERS] Little mess in RPM RH ?

2003-12-30 Thread Lamar Owen
do it tomorrow, or is may be better do it for the 7.4.1 ? If you'll hold off a few days both 7.4.1 and 7.3.5 RPMs are due to be released. At that point building on various distributions and setting up torrents will be done. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical

[HACKERS] Old binary packages.

2004-01-19 Thread Lamar Owen
. The space taken by binaries is significant (about 1GB at this point). Since we are keeping all source releases (although I would question that, since we use CVS), keeping all the binaries around is just a space waster, IMHO. Comments? -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah

Re: [HACKERS] Old binary packages.

2004-01-20 Thread Lamar Owen
On Monday 19 January 2004 03:53 pm, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am looking at the possibility of cleaning up the binary tree on the ftp site, and was wondering what the group thought about purging old binaries. What I was thinking would be to remove all

Re: [HACKERS] Old binary packages.

2004-01-20 Thread Lamar Owen
still among us. And this wouldn't touch the source releases at all. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 7

Re: [HACKERS] Heads up: 7.3.6 and 7.4.2 coming soon

2004-02-23 Thread Lamar Owen
children through this difficult time. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your

Re: [HACKERS] Sigh, 7.3.6 rewrap not right

2004-03-04 Thread Lamar Owen
move those files over to 7.3.6 ... Please, don't call it 7.3.6. Streamlining releases is terrible. 7.3.7 or 7.3.6.1 or SOMETHING other than 7.3.6, and just let 7.3.6 be a brown paper bag release (like 6.4.1 was). -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research

Re: [HACKERS] Sigh, 7.3.6 rewrap not right

2004-03-04 Thread Lamar Owen
tarballs have been streamlined. I'm glad I hadn't built any RPMs yet. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8

Re: [HACKERS] Sigh, 7.3.6 rewrap not right

2004-03-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday 05 March 2004 09:50 am, Mark Gibson wrote: How about in future, packaging it all up as a release candidate, (ie. 7.4.2-rc1) for a week or so before official final release, We do this already for major versions. Maybe we should consider this for minors too. -- Lamar Owen Director

Re: [HACKERS] Log rotation

2004-03-12 Thread Lamar Owen
sure we have more reports about upgrading than logging. But see my reply to bug 103767 for more. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end of broadcast

Re: [HACKERS] Log rotation

2004-03-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday 12 March 2004 03:21 pm, Fernando Nasser wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: Uh, we have many many many different ways to use syslog. So my other message on the topic. Which other message? The one I didn't post. :-) Anyway, Syslog is not an option for us. We need flat files. Ok, riddle

Re: [HACKERS] Log rotation

2004-03-13 Thread Lamar Owen
. But, if Red Hat wants to pay Tom to do it... :-) -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading

Re: [HACKERS] Log rotation

2004-03-13 Thread Lamar Owen
better than 7.3.x in that respect? There are several levels documented in postgresql.conf. Try the terse level and see what happens. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu

Re: [HACKERS] Call for 7.5 feature completion

2004-05-18 Thread Lamar Owen
PostgreSQL and plPHP, then tell me how you solved the circular dependency. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9

Re: [HACKERS] Call for 7.5 feature completion

2004-05-18 Thread Lamar Owen
how you solved the circular dependency. Actually plPHP doesn't require the PostgreSQL source tree... you would just have to modify the Make file to point to the right places. Then it can easily be a standalone project, and the issues go away. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology

Re: [HACKERS] 7.2.3?

2002-09-28 Thread Lamar Owen
first (she's at 37 weeks and having Braxton-Hicks already). #4. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [HACKERS] 7.2.3?

2002-09-28 Thread Lamar Owen
versus mktime fix) might be doable, but might not depending upon the particular fix, how difficult the packport, etc. But 7.2 is considered _stable_ -- and I agree that this means maintenance mode only. Only the most trivial or the most serious problems should be tackled here. -- Lamar Owen

Re: Upgrade process (was Re: [HACKERS] 7.2.3?)

2002-09-28 Thread Lamar Owen
the cookie. I'll certainly try to do my part. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] 7.2.3?

2002-09-28 Thread Lamar Owen
. In the meantime we have pg_upgrade for the future 7.3 - 7.4 upgrade. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] v7.2.3 - tag'd, packaged ... need it checked ...

2002-10-02 Thread Lamar Owen
; it will depend on how much upload bandwidth I can get out of this dialup. It appears to be running OK, so I may let it run. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http

Re: [HACKERS] v7.2.3 - tag'd, packaged ... need it checked ...

2002-10-02 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 03 October 2002 12:29 am, Lamar Owen wrote: RPMs will be uploaded either tonight or tomorrow morning after I get to work; it will depend on how much upload bandwidth I can get out of this dialup. It appears to be running OK, so I may let it run. After I get to work. Too many

Re: [HACKERS] Trigger regression test output

2002-10-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 03 October 2002 12:46 pm, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Builds fine here for RPM usage. Got an odd diff in the triggers regression test: did we drop a NOTICE? If so, the regression output should probably have been changed too. The diff

Re: [HACKERS] v7.2.3 - tag'd, packaged ... need it checked ...

2002-10-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 03 October 2002 12:29 am, Lamar Owen wrote: RPMs will be uploaded either tonight or tomorrow morning after I get to work; it will depend on how much upload bandwidth I can get out of this dialup. It appears to be running OK, so I may let it run. RPMS uploaded into the usual

Re: [HACKERS] Trigger regression test output

2002-10-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 03 October 2002 02:31 pm, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing that confuses me though is that the build options have been like this for a long time (at least since 7.1). Why haven't you seen this problem before? Did you recently change the way the RPMs

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Postgres-based system to run .org registry?

2002-10-14 Thread Lamar Owen
, etc...) If not someone from the PostgreSQL marketing dept. (wink wink) should come up with a press release. I have submitted a story to LinuxToday. We'll see how that goes. Anyone want to take on Slashdot? :-) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3 Branched ...

2002-10-16 Thread Lamar Owen
duplicates other packages... Let ye-old package managers make a shell package which simply points to the others as dependencies. I'm going to attempt to do up RPMs of all those :-) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast

Re: [HACKERS] about postgresql-7.2.3 rpm

2002-11-01 Thread Lamar Owen
build is a difficult one; and is going away at 7.3 anyway -- there will be a separate perl build. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] Time to move on...

2002-11-15 Thread Lamar Owen
achieve greater and greater success in the coming years. Thomas, good luck. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html

Re: [HACKERS] Time to move on...

2002-11-15 Thread Lamar Owen
replacement pool consists of people who are already doing development now. Having an odd number of core has its advantages. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister

Re: [HACKERS] Time to move on...

2002-11-15 Thread Lamar Owen
perhaps 2-4 times a year. OK sorry - I was under the impression that core == commit bit... committers != core -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group

2002-12-04 Thread Lamar Owen
. Oh, and we also have www.postgresql.org on the side? I think not. Oh, and they are fractured in their styles -- really, guys, we need a unified style here. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3

[HACKERS] 7.3 RPMS.

2002-12-04 Thread Lamar Owen
it -- and at 33.6 dialup (that's bouncing up and down like a yoyo due to periodic telephone service interruptions) a 10MB file takes a little time to upload (as in a couple of hours or more), and it's an insignificant change.): %changelog * Wed Dec 04 2002 Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 7.3-0.5PGDG - Jerk

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group

2002-12-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 05 December 2002 09:37, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Lamar Owen wrote: However, I seriously question the need in the long term for our sites to be as fractured as they are. Good grief! We've got note that altho they are seperate URLs, the end result is going

[HACKERS] 7.3-2 RPMset released.

2002-12-05 Thread Lamar Owen
was due to the collation of a result, and a side-effect of the way the RPM regression testing is performed); but I did not try a restart of the postmaster. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group

2002-12-09 Thread Lamar Owen
there were cases that this would not be true. Support != 'if you pass the right parameters to configure this will work', at least not at the press release level. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe

Re: [HACKERS] Let's create a release team

2002-12-10 Thread Lamar Owen
releases, I was retained by Great Bridge to produce RPMs -- that ensured that I spent time on them for that cycle. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister

[HACKERS] PostgreSQL Weekly News.

2002-12-23 Thread Lamar Owen
Thanks to those who did the PostgreSQL Weekly news, and submitted it to LinuxToday. This is a great function for the advocacy people! Many Thanks! -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9

Re: [HACKERS] RPMS for RedHat 6.2/7.3/8.0 ready

2002-12-24 Thread Lamar Owen
, I knew Sander was building these, so I specifically got up early to handle this. And I want to thank Sander for building these RPMs. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands

[HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-02 Thread Lamar Owen
, but that just gets under my skin. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 02 January 2003 19:26, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I figured I'd roll a 7.1.3 RPMset for him to install onto Red Hat 8. It was very bad. It simply would not build -- I guess it's the gcc 3 stuff. If you don't know *exactly* why it doesn't build, I

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday 03 January 2003 15:16, Lamar Owen wrote: On Thursday 02 January 2003 19:26, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen Wrote THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH MySQL. Oh? Do they have a crystal ball that lets them predict incompatible future platform changes? No, they just allow for the old format

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-03 Thread Lamar Owen
(which composition and membership changes frequently) that there's a problem waiting to be solved. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-05 Thread Lamar Owen
, that will help buy some breathing room from my point of view. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Sunday 05 January 2003 23:10, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is very possible that the supporting libc shared libraries will be removed by the OS upgrade -- the old binaries may not even run when it is critical that they do run. Urgh, that's a mess. Yah

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL libraries - PThread Support, but not use...

2003-01-06 Thread Lamar Owen
that could be traced to libpq not being threadsafe. And AOLserver certainly would show a non-threadsafe problem, particularly with sites running OpenACS, which can easily beat the database to death. BTW: thanks for the Bison RPMs. And I believe the PGDG is appropriate as well. :-) -- Lamar Owen

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Have people taken a look at pgdiff yet?

2003-01-07 Thread Lamar Owen
heard of more bizarre things, though. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Have people taken a look at pgdiff yet?

2003-01-08 Thread Lamar Owen
separate projects, even though the driver has hooks in it for OpenACS use. The OpenACS sample tcl config shows how to load the nspostgres driver (even though it may call it 'postgres' instead). -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3.1 psql against a v7.2.x database ...

2003-01-10 Thread Lamar Owen
is to use the 7.2 psql with the 7.2 backends...and enjoy the thrills of upgrading. Methinks 7.3 should have been 8.0 with all the changes that have happened. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe

Re: [HACKERS] Anyone have a fresh Solaris 8 SPARC system to create

2003-01-15 Thread Lamar Owen
. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-17 Thread Lamar Owen
, has anyone else noticed the security update onslaught from Red Hat for older PostgreSQL versions? They even backported the fixes to 6.5.3 from Red Hat 6.2 (as well as for 7.0 and 7.1 as released in the respective Red Hat Linux versions). Should I forward that notice here? -- Lamar Owen WGCR

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 18 January 2003 00:08, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, has anyone else noticed the security update onslaught from Red Hat for older PostgreSQL versions? They even backported the fixes to 6.5.3 from Red Hat 6.2 (as well as for 7.0 and 7.1

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-18 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 18 January 2003 11:13, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... Why? If a user doesn't need the features of 7.x.x, and the codebase is working well for him/her, why should said user/DBA feel compelled to go through who knows what mechanations to upgrade

Re: [HACKERS] Heading to Atlanta

2003-01-18 Thread Lamar Owen
1986 through 1989. Enjoy the light traffic, Bruce... :-) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-19 Thread Lamar Owen
: up2date This will start an interactive process that will result in the appropriate RPMs being upgraded on your system. 5. RPMs required: [omitted] -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Win32 port patches submitted

2003-01-22 Thread Lamar Owen
to Microsoft. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-25 Thread Lamar Owen
the MS SQL Server Sapphire worm for reference. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-25 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 25 January 2003 21:06, Bruce Momjian wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: On Saturday 25 January 2003 20:36, Bruce Momjian wrote: improve the capabilities of the database. For security issues, if we already have ten open doors in a house, does it help to lock two of them when

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 30 January 2003 16:54, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, by the way, who in their right mind tests a database server by repeated yanking of the AC power? Anybody who would like their data to survive a power outage. I don't buy that. That's why I have

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
. Records are meant to be broken. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 30 January 2003 15:29, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I understand (and agree with) your (and Vince's) reasoning on why Windows should be considered less reliable, neither of you have provided Windows shares none of that heritage. It is the first

Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System - My final thoughts

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
, some palmitic acidmight be fun to sling some napalm in the back yard to rid the place of weeds, and get some relaxation to boot). -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
tests?'). I for one don't want that to be a conclusion -- but the 'suits' will see it that way, rest assured. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-31 Thread Lamar Owen
there will just love this statement. The linux community here is in the minority, more than likely, to the *BSD camp. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
supported on that platform.' -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 30 January 2003 13:17, Vince Vielhaber wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Lamar Owen wrote: Vince, I would say that we, the developers of PostgreSQL, are then not qualified to test our own releases for the reasons you mentioned that Katie should not test her own releases. Don't twist

Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System - My final thoughts

2003-01-31 Thread Lamar Owen
translation of the site so one who doesn't speak or write Japanese can try it out? -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] PGP signing releases

2003-02-02 Thread Lamar Owen
checksums ... Actually this impacts RPMs more than the tarball, although the tarball's md5 sums are important. I have been intending to do this for some time; maybe it's time to bite the bullet. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3.2 Tag'd and Bundle'd ...

2003-02-03 Thread Lamar Owen
pg_controldata.1 pg_restore.1psql.1 createuser.1 initdb.1pg_ctl.1 pgtclsh.1 vacuumdb.1 dropdb.1 initlocation.1 pg_dump.1 pgtksh.1 [lowen@localhost BUILD]$ -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread Lamar Owen
are to be preferred only if the distributor doesn't have updated ones. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[HACKERS] Contract Programmer Advice.

2003-02-11 Thread Lamar Owen
trust this group, if any of you have had experience dealing with credit collection bureaus and the like, can you please e-mail me privately with your experience? -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting

Re: [HACKERS] Contract Programmer Advice.

2003-02-12 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 20:56, Lamar Owen wrote: Being that this group of hackers is one I trust, and that this is a pretty common scenario for contract programming, I thought I'd ask this group a question. I hope you don't mind. I want to thank everyone for their responses. We will see

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-12 Thread Lamar Owen
It is the ONE TRUE PLACE [snip] If PostgreSQL is supported as a part of the base operating system in a Linux distribution, and that distribution wishes to be Linux Standards Base compliant (most do), then PostgreSQL cannot go in /usr/local -- period. IDIC at work. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
think it is for the better; YMMV. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 13 February 2003 21:13, Bruce Momjian wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: It isn't without precedent to have a directory under /var/run. Maybe /var/run/postgresql. Under this one could have a uniquely named pid file. But how do you handle the default then, where you have postmaster.pid

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
. It's an interlock for PGDATA. So it might be argued that postmaster.pid is misnamed. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
on in client connections). But I do advocate _allowing_ the configuration options Mark has enumerated -- although I really wish we could use the lowercase c instead, for consistency with other OS services. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
of the OS. If it isn't, well, it isn't. This is so that local admin installed (from source -- not from binary package) files don't get clobbered by the next operating system binary upgrade. In that context the FHS (LSB) mandate makes lots of sense. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 13 February 2003 18:41, Vince Vielhaber wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Lamar Owen wrote: PostgreSQL is as critical as PHP, Apache, or whatever other package is being backended by PostgreSQL. If the package is provided by the distributor, consider it part of the OS. If it isn't

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-15 Thread Lamar Owen
of PostgreSQL is on topic for -hackers. IMNSHO. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
of sendmail.cf: so, yes, you can run multiple instances, although it could be argued that it wasn't designed in. Next? -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 13 February 2003 20:09, Bruce Momjian wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: This isn't the same environment, Bruce, that you got into back when it was still Postgres95. So you are saying this isn't my grandma's database anymore. :-) I actually thought of saying it that way, too

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-15 Thread Lamar Owen
know the historical reason)? Comments? -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-15 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 15 February 2003 20:19, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just exactly why does initdb need to drop any config files anywhere? Because we'd like it to edit the correct datadir into the config file, to take just the most obvious example. Shouldn't we

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-15 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 15 February 2003 21:06, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shouldn't we be consistent and have initdb use the datadir set in the config file, which could be supplied by a ./configure switch? That'd mean there is no way to perform an initdb into a nonstandard

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-15 Thread Lamar Owen
On Sunday 16 February 2003 00:16, Tom Lane wrote: Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you mind elucidating which point of view is yours? Primarily, one that wants to have multiple postmasters running, of the same or different versions; including test and temporary installations

Re: [HACKERS] Numbering of the next release: 8.0 vs 7.4

2003-03-12 Thread Lamar Owen
by either win32 or PITR. And think of this crazy scenario: We release an 8.0 with PITR, then need either a 8.1 or a 9.0 with a FE/BE overhaul, then need a possible 10.0 because we've added win32... yuk. FWIW, the 6.4 protocol change didn't force a move from 6.3.2 to 7.0. -- Lamar Owen WGCR

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