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To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
It should be noted that the Protel ASCII format is not only text based,
but
it is self-documenting. All the records and fields are named wherever
they
occur. The library format
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The pin data probably does exist somewhere as a text file or bonding details of
die pad location ( in x,y ) to pin number on the package. But for manufacturers
to put these into Protel specific format, its not going to happen soon.
I don't need
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, chris mackensen wrote:
for example, to get an Excel spreadsheet of pin data, one only has to copy
and paste from PDF to Excel (usually through MS-Word, to get the tables
correct)
Hmm, the massaging this needs normally makes it very painful. I've not
tried going
For validation, on the PCB side, I used to place a 'scanned version' in
a translucent state, of the part over the footprint. I've been able to find
and correct many footprint problems in advance using this technique. If
such an ability was built into Protel a copy of the scan was kept with
i would agree with steve's comments here
sometime i have spent longer looking for a footprint than it would take
to make one (simple ones only that is)
also it is true that they can and sometimes should be slanted to the
project at hand
sch parts, however, don't strike me as being hard at all
At 03:06 PM 7/26/01 -0400, chris mackensen wrote:
because
cadence's files are all OPEN and TEXT based and NOT ENCAPSULATED in a
DATABASE (and NOT BINARY), it was a matter of my perl script just parsing
Excel sheets of pin data (automatically saved as text files over the web)
and generating the
that are still quite readable!
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
Haddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/25/2001 02:04:02 PM
Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc)
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
Under no circumstances should the Protel libraries be copied! They
are riddled
On 08:55 PM 24/07/2001 -0700, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
As I stated, I do prefer that we move this discussion to the new list,
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You may prefer but the vast majority if people responding do not want
another mail list it seems...
Ian Wilson
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I started the thread on this subject. I knew the size of this
project was going to be large, that is why I posted the thread in the first
place. I wanted to see if anyone else would like to help or even if anyone
wanted to have a large library system that was free. My idea was to get
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:56 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
SNIP
I'd assume that the libraries would not normally contain paste mask
information.
SNIP
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From: Ted Tontis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
I started the thread on this subject. I knew the size of this
project was going to be large, that is why I posted the thread in the first
At 09:29 AM 7/25/01 -0500, Ted Tontis wrote:
As designers we sometimes have to make the impossible happen, and we
do make it happen. So why then all the negative remarks?
All I know is that if you want to accomplish something valuable, get used
to it. It is *much* easier to sit back
Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
At 07:10 PM 7/25/01 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
On 08:55
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From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:11 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject:Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
You may prefer but the vast majority if people responding do not want
another mail
development
time down considerably.
Ted
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From: Andrew J Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:35 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
On 10:03 AM 7/25/2001 -0700, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 09:29 AM 7/25/01 -0500, Ted
On 01:10 PM 7/24/2001 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
Andrew,
please don't throw me into the simple nay-sayers
Nope. I didn't. Just doubting Thomas, to whom I originally replied.
I have my doubts
about whether it could be accomplished amongst a group as diverse as ours,
but it can be
At 01:11 PM 7/25/01 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
As far as verification of parts goes, I oppose any bureaucratization that
would hinder or slow down the footprint distribution process. This sounds
like more total quality management business school bullsh*t. The buyer
beware - free
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
On 01:10 PM 7/24/2001 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
Andrew,
please don't throw me into the simple nay-sayers
Nope. I didn't. Just doubting Thomas, to whom I originally replied.
I have my doubts
about whether
At 02:07 PM 7/25/01 -0400, Andrew J Jenkins wrote:
The problem, as I see it, with traffic in multiple locations is that it's
end result is fragmentation of the group and
Meeting in committee is hardly fragmentation. The records of the
committee are open to the public and will remain so, and
they want to use)
TC
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:03 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
At 01:50 PM 7/23/01 -0500, Ted Tontis wrote:
Would there be any interest in a PCB
On 09:52 AM 7/24/2001 +1000, Thomas wrote:
It cannot be done.
While I understand the sentiment, boy do I just hate when people say such things...
After all, there are not all THAT many footprints. Components, yes, footprints...I
don't think so...
aj
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Ted Tontis wrote:
Would there be any interest in a PCB footprint lib. with all
the parts you would ever need for free. I ask this because I am
working on trying to get a large lib. in Protel. It would have the
silk screen, a fence that would be on the last electrical layer to
avoid
-Original Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:03 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
Mr. Lomax
snip
What I forsee is a system whereby a user wishes to use a part which is not
in the library we have
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From: Andrew J Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 9:48 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
On 09:52 AM 7/24/2001 +1000, Thomas wrote:
It cannot be done.
While I understand the sentiment, boy do I just hate
wow, what ambition!
can you pls explain:
2 There is a conductive fence on the lowest layer as to avoid part placement
conflicts
a little more?
lowest layer = bottom layer?
and how does conductive help?
Dennis Saputelli
Ted Tontis wrote:
The standards are all ready set. I do not have
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From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:01 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
wow, what ambition!
can you pls explain:
2 There is a conductive fence on the lowest layer as to avoid part
placement
conflicts
a little more?
lowest
On 08:54 AM 7/24/2001 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
Andrew et al,
I get the feeling that many people think that there would not be too
many footprints.
IMO, too many is a relative term. 2500 is nothing compared to the discrete number of
components available, footprint(s) aside.
How
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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:10 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
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On 08:54 AM 7/24/2001 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
Andrew et al,
I get the feeling that many people think that there
would not be too
many footprints.
IMO
Semiconductor Designers
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Ted Tontis [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/24/2001 04:50:18 AM
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Subject: [PEDA] a lib
email glitch...
For validation, on the PCB side, I used to place a 'scanned version' in
a translucent state, of the part over the footprint. I've been able to find
and correct many footprint problems in advance using this technique. If
such an ability was built into Protel a copy of the
At 12:03 PM 7/25/01 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Taking just the
semiconductor footprints, thats
1067 footprints that will be bundled into the super library that someone
will be
remaking. Or will these footprints
just be copied from the existing Protel libraries? If these seperate
: Wednesday, 25 July 2001 12:03 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
Im assuming that the existing PCB footprint libraries on the
Protel website
would be a subset of this super library.
The libraries are:
BGA531 footprints in 9 libraries
Would there be any interest in a PCB footprint lib. with all the parts you
would ever need for free. I ask this because I am working on trying to get a
large lib. in Protel. It would have the silk screen, a fence that would be
on the last electrical layer to avoid component placement
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From: Ted Tontis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2001 4:50 AM
To: Protel Forum (E-mail)
Subject: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone
Would there be any interest in a PCB footprint lib. with all
the parts you
would ever need for free. I ask this because I am working
At 01:50 PM 7/23/01 -0500, Ted Tontis wrote:
Would there be any interest in a PCB footprint lib. with all the parts you
would ever need for free. I ask this because I am working on trying to get a
large lib. in Protel. It would have the silk screen, a fence that would be
on the last electrical
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