Out of curiosity, without commenting on all your points individually, have
you seen anything in Boardmaker that cannot be done, one way or another in
P99SE?
It depends how much you look to automating things. I have previously controlled
via tenting under BGAs by editing the gerbers in an
If changing drivers fixes it, then it's NOT Protel's problem. Similarly, if
changing printer settings fixes it, it's NOT Protel's problem.
The problem may only appear in Protel because it might use unusual
parameters or unusual series of calls to the printer driver. The
application code in a
re lease/support -- the difference is that if you stop paying the lease, you
cannot legally continue using the software. In fact, depending on the
contract, if the company goes out of business (or drops the product) you
might not be able to legally continue using it. To take an extreme example,
On 12:38 PM 6/09/2002 +0200, BB_PCBDesign said:
DXP SP1 Prerelease is here
http://www.protel.com/resources/downloads/index.html
Bolis Bortolo
The text of the announcement on the DXP forum includes the following:
By downloading the pre-release you agree to comply with the Pre-release
Test
I recently had to deal with .PHO files from an outside consultant. They
where simply Gerber files generated from PADS and had matching .REP files
containing the aperture definitions.
I used Lavenier ViewMaster to work on them, couldn't get them to load in
P98. I don't know if P99se/Camtastic
Warning
Unable to process data:
multipart/mixed; boundary==_NextPartTM-000-da6e5027-35b9-4b7e-9863-9d4febc57aa8
Just got the DXP.exe is not valid and the thing quit, anybody have any clues
as to what gives?
- Original Message -
From: BB_PCBDesign [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:38 AM
Subject: [PEDA] DXP SP1 Prerelease
DXP SP1
Matt Daggett wrote:
Today's one of those days you rather just ask than spend all day looking for
the answers yourself.
(1) Why do I get a Floating point division by zero error and then
components disappear off my schematic even though their text/component
information are still on the
I don't think SP1 works with the evaluation version, which is a shame as I
was waiting for some major fixes before evaluating.
Hopefuly a new Demo including SP1 will be made available soon ?
-Original Message-
From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 September 2002
Dwight,
I'm sorry, but you are wrong, or at least you are making a huge oversight.
You forget that text with an overbar has to be drawn after the text is
pasted. Apart from
strike-out there is no other feature in a printer driver for aligning a
drawn line with a
piece of text.
The position,
Dennis,
The only thing I could relate to with demolishing a DDB architecture is that
there is alot of data management under this regime. Thus, there is
associated software complexity and design risk. For the end user, the
corruption of a DDB has the potential to destroy an entire project. To
Jason,
don't jump on Dwight. You seem to forget that whatever Protel passes
to the driver works just fine with 'most' printers print drivers. It has
problems only with a few. So you are saying that Protel must pass different
information to the print driver based upon performing some
Based on the reports submitted to the Forum (see TK below), the DXP Demo is
not ready for formal release, but seems meant to serve as an extension of
the Beta Cycle. I wonder if this violates the ethic of not exploiting
customers by allowing known bugs into a formally released package. At the
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:20:39 -0230, Fabian Hartery wrote:
The only thing I could relate to with demolishing a DDB architecture is that
there is alot of data management under this regime. Thus, there is
associated software complexity and design risk. For the end user, the
corruption of a DDB has
Ian,
Thanks for the reply. Seems that I expect the DEMO to work properly to
justify spending for the upgrade. Based on what I have seen with the demo
and only some promise that the SP will fix I still can't recommend upgrading
in my mind. SO basically what I'm saying is that I want to a demo that
OK . . .
So I'll admit, I missed the Class on Protel 99 SE Basics . . .
And I slept thru most of the Protel 99 SE 101 and 102 Classes . . .
But gimmie a break . . .
This one has got me baffled . . .
So what are the two simplest functions that one can possibly perform in
Protel 99 SE?
I mean
The calculations you mention are typically performed by Windows/driver
code -- the app issues Windows API calls such as GetTextExtent, passing a
printer device context handle, and gets back the value it needs. (At least
that's the way we code apps here!)
-Original Message-
From: Jason
LOL, the KLUNK! happens here too (win2k), also Alt+F,X gets it. But Alt+F4
doesn't, nor does Close from the system menu. I had never noticed as I use
one of the 'quiet' methods 99.9% of the time.
However, I didn't notice any significant speed difference in my environment
(PIII 500MHz), 2-3
I bet you used your mouse : ^ )
2 We go to the File menu pulldown, and click on Exit, and what happens
now?
Well first of all, it takes much much much much longer to END Protel 99 SE
this way, but now comes the real problem, on it's final exit, we get, are
you ready for it, a Microsoft
yeah i never noticed that either (the difference in the closing 'klunk')
but we do get it sometimes too
i wonder if this has anything to do with the 'issue' of phantom copies
of protel still running even after it is quit
which seems to be specific to WIN2K
(i.e., the situation where Protel
I don't have compact on close on and I get the KLUNK. Even though I too
never noticed this.
Nick Cobb
-Original Message-
From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:13 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this
just curious
is there a reason you don't have compact on close on?
Dennis Saputelli
Nicholas Cobb wrote:
I don't have compact on close on and I get the KLUNK. Even though I too
never noticed this.
Nick Cobb
-Original Message-
From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
It takes too long to close DDBs when accessing them on the network.
-Original Message-
From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:52 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.
just curious
is there a
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this picture.
I bet you used your mouse : ^ )
Actually yes, and I did notice the smiley there, but just to eliminate
The SP does not work with the demo version. It will only update the
release version. I'm sure when SP1 is out of beta, it will work on the
trial version.
IMO, it would be best for Altium to allow another 30 days for the trial
after the real SP1 is posted. That is one way to help the bad feelings
These things are so much more complicated than you are depiciting it.
With your argument, how do you explain the overbar printing correctly on
MY system
I even have the same printer (in the same network mode) that someone
else on this list has, and they are having printing problems, whereas
Of course they don't have to listen to me! I just think it's a good
idea.
They think differently than you. We will find out how differently as things
unfold.
- Original Message -
From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 06,
Dennis and the group,
I apologize for my sporadic responses, but I am having trouble with my email
provider, SBCGLOBAL.NET, and they are only giving me about half of my email.
I am sure the rest is just stuck on some server in Podunk Arkansas, and will
show up sometime tomorrow.
Please see
Fred, have you ever developed s/w? Every company I know releases known
bugs into code with exception of anything that would cause death or
destruction. They are categorized and prioritized and weighted against
quarterly statements, product announcements, etc.
I don't think ANY engineer wants to
Hello all,
I am vainly attempting to create assembly drawings for my current project. I
have found two methods for creating these drawings but with unsatisfactory
results.
Method 1: Within Print Preview export the drawing (Top or Bottom
Overlay/Mech 1 on) without Font Substitution and
I tried turning it off and also turning off all the other things in
Preferences and it still KLUNK! s
Tony
-Original Message-
From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:13 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong
I think Jami spotted a bug! I get the KLUNK! too in the same way. I
never noticed it before today, because I normally have my speakers off.
-Original Message-
From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:21 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Cc: JaMi Smith
i assume you want to make electronic dwgs?
how about PDF ?
Dennis Saputelli
Richard Stevense wrote:
Hello all,
I am vainly attempting to create assembly drawings for my current project. I
have found two methods for creating these drawings but with unsatisfactory
results.
Method 1:
Ian,
Please see below,
JaMi
PS - Still waiting to hear from someone as to whether this problem exists in
DXP!
- Original Message -
From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats
It does not occur in DXP.
-Original Message-
From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:53 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Cc: JaMi Smith
Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.
Ian,
Please see below,
JaMi
PS - Still
Thanks Tony,
JaMi
- Original Message -
From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] KLUNK! - Whats wrong with this picture.
It does not occur in DXP.
operating in paranoid mode is generally a good thing when so much work
hangs in the air
to allay your fears somewhat, and you may know this well, a set of up to
ten incrementing timed auto save backups may be written to a
separate folder which by default is an SE subfolder
these are
Thanks Dennis,
I did not know that.
I usually have had to do a recover after a crash from the backup or the
previous backup in the same directory as the original .ddb file, and in
fact I have had to do that at least twice in the last week with this board,
which is probably why I am in paranoid
Jami,
Do you have the ability to install P99SE on a different machine? (I
can't remember if you've indicated that before). I think your frequent
crashes are pretty unusual.
-Original Message-
From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:46 PM
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