Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-16 Thread QuadPirate
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Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-15 Thread QuadPirate
To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stuntman Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards At 03:35 PM 10/14/2004, QuadPirate wrote: I'm glad we're together on the whole process of ivf and the whole picture but I didn't say it should

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-15 Thread QuadPirate
: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards I've heard his story a few other times and I didn't like him then. He's the one that is making is so close with Bush and Kerry with something like a 6 percent approval. I forget he runs because

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-15 Thread Boyd Jenkins
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards One cannot but be touched by the beauty and poignancy of this gripping paragraph by Ron Reagan. Sounds very much like something our former president might have said. To whomever

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-14 Thread QuadPirate
al Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards There are many problems with embryonic stem cells including tumors and cellular rejection that are no problem when using ones own adult stem cells. Therefore the justification for spending money on research f

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-14 Thread QuadPirate
PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards There are many problems with embryonic stem cells including tumors and cellular

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-14 Thread Stuntman
PM To: QuadPirate; Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards There are many problems with embryonic stem cells including tumors

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-14 Thread QuadPirate
-Original Message--- From: Stuntman Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:51:46 PM To: QuadPirate; Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerr

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-14 Thread QuadPirate
forivf research? I see no difference. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:14:58 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stuntman Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards I

RE: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-14 Thread Jim Lubin
At 09:51 AM 10/14/2004, Mark Felling wrote: Except, you left out the fact that there are very more limited sources of adult stem cells, especially to use in such areas as rebuilding the spinal cord, since the adult body has shut down those types of cells. The whole point of the Puripotent stem

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-14 Thread Jim Lubin
At 12:51 PM 10/14/2004, QuadPirate wrote: Well Jim I thought my comment about sperm being a human life was an obvious joke but I guess not. There was clearly a punch line. sigh I was just pointing out that a sperm is not a human life so you didn't have to be concerned about ending up in

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-14 Thread QuadPirate
--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:06:12 PM To: QuadPirate; Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards At 12:51 PM 10/14/2004, QuadPirate wrote: Well Jim I thought my comment

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-13 Thread QuadPirate
To: QuadPirate; Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards At 01:50 PM 10/12/2004, QuadPirate wrote: What Clinton did in these countries was not called protecting our country but this war is a war

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-13 Thread QuadPirate
Exactly Jim they are property! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:39:00 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-13 Thread QuadPirate
From: Stuntman Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:16:45 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Mark, As a vet who volunteered, all of our present day soldiers took an Oath when t

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-13 Thread Jim Lubin
My personal belief (at this point in time) is that an embryo created in a petri dish is only a clump of cells and only a potential human life. My personal belief is that an embryo is not a human life unless and until it is growing in a human female uterus. That being said, since humanity has

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-13 Thread QuadPirate
Fairenough. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:05:19 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stuntman Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards My personal belief

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-13 Thread Stuntman
btw. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stuntman Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:53:31 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-13 Thread Stacy Harim
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards There are many problems with embryonic stem cells including tumors and cellular

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-12 Thread Stacy Harim
nt: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Stacy,There is no ban on Embryonic Stem Cell researchThere is no ban on Private Stem Cell researchThere is no ban on Stem Cell res

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-12 Thread Jim Lubin
I think that would be false logic, if I'm understanding it correctly. Your question is based on the assumption that they stay frozen forever and never used for IVF at a future time. Since you bring up live a quality life, are you saying an embryo is life? If so then what gives you the right to

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-12 Thread QuadPirate
and that's the bottom line. The people have spoke but the President hasn't listened. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:33:20 PM To: QuadPirate; Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to:

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-12 Thread QuadPirate
---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:06:34 PM To: Stacy Harim; QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards I think that would be false

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-12 Thread QuadPirate
on the list. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Boyd Jenkins Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:15:26 PM To: Jim Lubin; QuadPirate; Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Works for me!Boyd

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-12 Thread Jim Lubin
At 12:32 PM 10/12/2004, Jim Lubin wrote: Now as far as saying they are there of their own free will is dead wrong as you can see for yourself. WASHINGTON (AP) — The Army will prevent soldiers in units set to deploy to Iraq and Afghanistan from leaving the service at the end of their terms, a

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-12 Thread QuadPirate
esacrifice except I think a man with a family is a muchworse one. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:33:03 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stuntman Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party E

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-12 Thread Jim Lubin
At 12:02 PM 10/12/2004, QuadPirate wrote: I have a question. If President Bush's position on Stem Cells is based on the fact that he thinks an embryo is life then why is it ok for the donor to decide if it's destroyed or given to research or adopted by another clinic. It seems to me if an embryo

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-11 Thread Boyd Jenkins
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards On 10/10/04 5:21 PM, Mark Felling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boyd, I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-11 Thread QuadPirate
PROTECTED]; Jim Lubin Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards If those lines aren't used ever then what good is it even though it is fertilized? It's not being used and most of them wont be. They just stay frozen forever? What kind

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-11 Thread QuadPirate
Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:18:34 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards I applaud your convictions Mark. I would

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-11 Thread Stuntman
Stacy, There is no ban on Embryonic Stem Cell research There is no ban on Private Stem Cell research There is no ban on Stem Cell research There is only a ban on using federal grants for research on all but adult stem cell research or those embryonic stem cells harvested before the legislation.

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-11 Thread Jim Lubin
At 04:22 PM 10/11/2004, QuadPirate wrote: But you can't tell me that some soldiers don't think this has anything to do with protecting our country and giving a choice would choose coming home so I don't think they thought this is what they volunteered for and that's not giving them a choice.

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-11 Thread Boyd Jenkins
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Works for me! Boyd -- On 10/11/04 7:33 PM, Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:22 PM 10/11/2004, QuadPirate wrote: But you can't tell

[QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-10 Thread Mark Felling
Title: Message Boyd, I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few editions... However I ask you, where is the logic in your statement: "as reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq"? How do increased

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-10 Thread Jim Lubin
At 03:21 PM 10/10/2004, Mark Felling wrote: Further, the logic saying that if the Communist Party does not support Bush (which I question the validity of such an official statement having been made), then they must support Kerry is just as silly. That is like saying if A does not equal B, then B

RE: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-10 Thread Mark Felling
Title: Message Communism in its theoretical sense is simply a version of socialism. Whether the generalization is true, Democrats are generally seen as supporting more social programs than Republicans, consequently given a choice between a republican and a Democratic candidate I suppose is

RE: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-10 Thread Jim Lubin
Hi Mark, First, I'm trying to understand the logic not trying to pick a fight. If the CPUSA candidate does not defeat Bush then their goal is not accomplished. If Kerry does defeat Bush then their goal is accomplished. If the first two assumptions come true then the third statement can't be true

RE: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-10 Thread Stuntman
Felling -Original Message- From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards At 03:21 PM 10/10

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-10 Thread Jim Lubin
:21 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Boyd, I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few editions... However I ask you, where is the logic in your

Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards

2004-10-10 Thread Stacy Harim
quot; - Original Message - From: Mark Felling To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Boyd, I have seen a