Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Separating the channels did not help What did work for me: disabling ax radio on 2.4channel. So only a,g,b,n This seems to work, a couple days stable. Previously was using the vonnets Ethernet adapter, which worked for months, but the radio just started to become unstable and needs a reboot after a day or so bengaldave's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4605 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Hi there, A few weeks ago I activated the 5 GHz. network with an SSID identical to the 2,4 GHz. I was already using for my Squeezebox receivers.(same passwords also) I own 4 Logitech (WE) Radios and a Transporter. The Transporter seems to ignore double SSID but the (WE) Radios get confused after a while and disconnects. Renamed one of them (did not change the identical passwords) and presto ! problem solved. Hope this helps for you. Best regards and a happy and healthy 2023 ! Happy TransUser TransUser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Heuer wrote: > This is what Ubiquiti say: > > -"The main purpose of enabling band steering is to decongest the 2.4GHz > due to the high number of users connected. Band steering allows users to > connect to a 5GHz band which provides faster speed, and less > interference, thus reducing the congestion on the 2.4 GHz. However, 5GHz > only works on a limited range compared to 2.4 GHz. It cannot penetrate > solid objects such as walls. Therefore, the signal wouldnt be > that reliable when you are roaming. Enabling or disabling band steering > on your UniFi depends on the users preference and the need to > steer into a 5GHz band. It would make more sense to stay on 2.4 GHz if > there are only a few users connected to your network. Although there > would be more interference than the 5GHz band, it provides better > coverage. Band steering is not always recommended. Users can always > customize band steering per device name depending on need."- I can't tell whether that is an automatic "on-the-fly" feature, or whether it requires user intervention. My guess if it is more modern equipment, it is an automatic feature, which means it is constantly querying the clients. And that data string can get somewhat verbose to older clients. And that is probably part of the problem for older legacy clients, possibly overloading their buffer ranges at some point. The older 2.4 Ghz chipsets never contemplated this sort of network management traffic. But it does state that it can be client-customized. So the obvious course is to turn it off for SB clients, as they are not 5 Ghz equipped. Whether that stops the constant client queries, I do not know. That would require technical information from the AP/router manufacturer. That feature is not the same as AP binding, but it may help nevertheless. The less asked of the Radio's wireless chipset, the better. sgmlaw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
This is what Ubiquiti say: -"The main purpose of enabling band steering is to decongest the 2.4GHz due to the high number of users connected. Band steering allows users to connect to a 5GHz band which provides faster speed, and less interference, thus reducing the congestion on the 2.4 GHz. However, 5GHz only works on a limited range compared to 2.4 GHz. It cannot penetrate solid objects such as walls. Therefore, the signal wouldnt be that reliable when you are roaming. Enabling or disabling band steering on your UniFi depends on the users preference and the need to steer into a 5GHz band. It would make more sense to stay on 2.4 GHz if there are only a few users connected to your network. Although there would be more interference than the 5GHz band, it provides better coverage. Band steering is not always recommended. Users can always customize band steering per device name depending on need.""- Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: Touch>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: DAC32>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
agbagb wrote: > Ahh - thanks! On my French Freebox POP router, I can't find either what > you describe, or the "band steering" that others have > mentioned.. I am unsure what others have suggested. I presume by band steering they are referring to auto-switching between 2.4G and 5Ghz bands depending on connection conditions. If that is the case, disabling band steering tends to adversely affect newer clients, preventing them from negotiating up and down on the bands as they roam. It may help an old Squeezebox, but at a very high price to other much higher bandwidth demanding clients. I would resist that solution if you have such mixed clients. In your situation, if binding is not as option, you might want to try an N band AP set up in repeater mode, but with a distinctive SSID. For instance, the EX2700 mentioned above, connected to your network (either wirelessly, or by Ethernet), and accessible as a separate AP as yournetwork.LMS or whatever. And then have the Radio connect just to that N protocol AP. That is binding of a different form, but it completely segregates the Radio from the primary wireless AP architecture (and all its problems). These SB clients use very little bandwidth by todays standards, so even an N repeater with wireless up and down links should still get plenty of data to them. sgmlaw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Ahh - thanks! On my French Freebox POP router, I can't find either what you describe, or the "band steering" that others have mentioned.. 8.2.1 - 1639114554 Win11 Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads b) Freebox Pop Wifi6 / Mesh External SSD, WiFi Laptop 2 x Touch LAN (Firmware:8.0.1-r16907) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (8.0.1-r16907) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
agbagb wrote: > That's interesting - I'm not sure of correct terminology, but are you > saying that getting the router to use a static IP (instead of an > DHCP-allocated and changing one) has enabled a steady Radio > connection even on WiFi6 kit? No, not exactly. While I am a proponent of assigning a static IP to the LMS server machine, what I was referring to was binding a wireless client to a particular AP in extender, media bridge, roaming or mesh environments. What we initially experienced, not just with the SB Radio, but with other legacy 2.4 Ghz clients as well, is that the connection would drop, either on the initial optimization phase, when the system assigns each client to its optimal AP, and during the handoff phase, when a system transfers a client from one AP or node to another. Either the AP and/or the client chipsets cant handle that handshake routine, either initially or on renegotiation, and the connection would drop. What I found solved the problem (for us) in these multi AP environments was binding those clients to the main wireless router. That is done on the AP side, at the router or DHCP server, and it forces a continuing static connection to that AP, and that AP alone, with no roaming, handoff, or renegotiation events, and the backhaul and repeater links are also completely removed from the equation. Ideally, the client should be bound to the router AP if the router is equipped with one. It is a much simpler connection in more complicated wireless environments (with increasingly diverse traffic). Not all roaming, extender-equipped, and mesh equipment supports wireless client binding. And if you are already running a single AP wireless network, it is inapplicable. And we were unable to pull this off for one fringe range Touch where binding to the router AP was impractical, and even a bound connection to the nearest node would inevitably drop. In that extreme situation, the solution was an EX2700 extender operating as a media bridge, where the Touch enjoys an ethernet connection, and the wireless network sees only an N protocol client (which presents no problem). sgmlaw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
sgmlaw wrote: > If your equipment allows it, try binding the problem clients to the > primary router or the AP that is allowing the initial connection. You > may lose some roaming range, but it can solve the dropouts. > > We are now into our second generation of Asus WiFi 6 mesh systems, and > have been able to maintain a stable Radio connection by binding it to > the router. Typically we use an upper tier chipset primary router; not > the usual Orbi or Zen setup. That's interesting - I'm not sure of correct terminology, but are you saying that getting the router to use a static IP (instead of an DHCP-allocated and changing one) has enabled a steady Radio connection even on WiFi6 kit? 8.2.1 - 1639114554 Win11 Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads b) Freebox Pop Wifi6 / Mesh External SSD, WiFi Laptop 2 x Touch LAN (Firmware:8.0.1-r16907) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (8.0.1-r16907) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
agbagb wrote: > Similar problems in new home with new WiFi6. But I can't find > anything called "band steering" in the router management, but what with > moving and Madame preparing for knee surgery, I haven't really had a > chance to see if this exists. Even with WiFi6 turned off, the Radios > (Wlan-poked) will not hold the connection, so maybe it is a band issue > rather than a WiFi6 issue as such. > > The other thing that has me puzzled is that when I first try to connect > either Radios or Touches *via ethernet*, I still have a heck of a time. > I keep getting a "Can't find a DHCP address" error. But, oddly, if I > just leave it plugged in to ethernet and walk off for lunch or more > unpacking of moving boxes, after half an hour or so, the device *has* > connected to ethernet, and works fine from then on. Which makes me > think that some odd things are going on with the new router settings, > WiFi and Ethernet. I'm too busy to properly fault-chase for a week or > so, but I'm sure I'll track the issue down somehow. That may be an address conflict issue. Depending on lease times, that can sometimes take hours to days to clear itself. Try resetting the DHCP table on the router with all clients connected, which usually forces a DHCP rescan. sgmlaw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Heuer wrote: > I have a full Unifi system with four AP's (no Wi-Fi 6) and I lost > connection to one of my three Radio's last week. Tried installing > wlanpoke with no improvement and tried two different Vonets bridge's but > neither would connect reliably. Whilst troubleshooting I found both the > Radio and Vonets would connect reliably to the AP in my office but not > to any of the other three AP's. A swift comparison of the AP settings > revealed three had 'band steering' switched on whereas the Office AP did > not. Switched all off and Radio now connects happily and no need for > Vonets. > > Interestingly this setting only affected the UE Radio, other two > 'normal' Radio's are not affected by band steering. If your equipment allows it, try binding the problem clients to the primary router or the AP that is allowing the initial connection. You may lose some roaming range, but it can solve the dropouts. We are now into our second generation of Asus WiFi 6 mesh systems, and have been able to maintain a stable Radio connection by binding it to the router. Typically we use an upper tier chipset primary router; not the usual Orbi or Zen setup. sgmlaw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Heuer wrote: > Maybe UE has a different WiFi chip? Maybe. As far as I can see, there was no change to the WiFi element of the firmware. mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
mrw wrote: > An interesting observation . > > What firmware version are you using on the 'normal' Radios that are > affected ? > > I think I would have expected no difference in behaviour. All on latest community f/w. One UE which fails to connect, two Logitech which have no problem connecting. Easy to reproduce the behaviour and UE is now behaving as before I switched band steering on. Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: Touch>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: DAC32>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Similar problems in new home with new WiFi6. But I can't find anything called "band steering" in the router management, but what with moving and Madame preparing for knee surgery, I haven't really had a chance to see if this exists. Even with WiFi6 turned off, the Radios (Wlan-poked) will not hold the connection, so maybe it is a band issue rather than a WiFi6 issue as such. The other thing that has me puzzled is that when I first try to connect either Radios or Touches *via ethernet*, I still have a heck of a time. I keep getting a "Can't find a DHCP address" error. But, oddly, if I just leave it plugged in to ethernet and walk off for lunch or more unpacking of moving boxes, after half an hour or so, the device *has* connected to ethernet, and works fine from then on. Which makes me think that some odd things are going on with the new router settings, WiFi and Ethernet. I'm too busy to properly fault-chase for a week or so, but I'm sure I'll track the issue down somehow. 8.2.1 - 1639114554 Win11 Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads b) Freebox Pop Wifi6 / Mesh External SSD, WiFi Laptop 2 x Touch LAN (Firmware:8.0.1-r16907) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (8.0.1-r16907) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Heuer wrote: > Whilst troubleshooting I found both the Radio and Vonets would connect > reliably to the AP in my office but not to any of the other three AP's. > A swift comparison of the AP settings revealed three had 'band steering' > switched on whereas the Office AP did not. Switched all off and Radio > now connects happily and no need for Vonets. > > Interestingly this setting only affected the UE Radio, other two > 'normal' Radio's are not affected by band steering. An interesting observation . What firmware version are you using on the 'normal' Radios that are affected ? I think I would have expected no difference in behaviour. mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
I have a full Unifi system with four AP's (no Wi-Fi 6) and I lost connection to one of my three Radio's last week. Tried installing wlanpoke with no improvement and tried two different Vonets bridge's but neither would connect reliably. Whilst troubleshooting I found both the Radio and Vonets would connect reliably to the AP in my office but not to any of the other three AP's. A swift comparison of the AP settings revealed three had 'band steering' switched on whereas the Office AP did not. Switched all off and Radio now connects happily and no need for Vonets. Interestingly this setting only affected the UE Radio, other two 'normal' Radio's are not affected by band steering. Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: Touch>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: DAC32>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
mrw wrote: > Logitech's players can't use the 5 GHz bands. The technology was not > available when these devices were designed/manufactured. Ah, Ok. Thanks. I thought Radio could. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
JJZolx wrote: > Something I never asked (or looked for), but do the connection issues > happen on both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands? I had been using only 2.4 GHz > when all of my connection problems began. Logitech's players can't use the 5 GHz bands. The technology was not available when these devices were designed/manufactured. mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Something I never asked (or looked for), but do the connection issues happen on both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands? I had been using only 2.4 GHz when all of my connection problems began. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Syco54645 wrote: > > I see the radio occasionally on my router but it drops off as soon as it > shows up. It seems to be boot looping. > My bad. It would be boot looping because Squeezeplay didn't start, as indicated by the fact that you could only see the Logitech screen. The factory reset certainly reverts everything back to pristine firmware, providing a fat finger countermeasure. To quote the -ssh- login message: > > You can safely modify any of the files on this > system. A factory reset (press and hold add on power on) will remove all > your > modifications and revert to the installed firmware. > A firmware update does _not_ overwrite the contents of the -/etc- hierarchy, which is where your -rc.local- lives. That may be what you picked up on. mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > Not familiar with wlanpoke, but... > > Power it off (press and hold power or unplug), then you can do a factory > reset by press and hold '+' then press and hold power, release both when > the screen wakes up. Should take you to initial config sequence. > > Jim I was unsure if that would clear the filesystem changes that I made for wlan poke mrw wrote: > The -ssh- daemon and wifi should be running by that point. Did you try > ? > > Otherwise I think it would be factory reset time. I see the radio occasionally on my router but it drops off as soon as it shows up. It seems to be boot looping. Syco54645's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=73039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Syco54645 wrote: > I was setting up wlan poke on one of my radios and I mist have > fatfingered the rcS.local as the radio is no longer booting, it just > sits on the logitech screen. Is there a way to get past this so that I > can fix my gaf? The -ssh- daemon and wifi should be running by that point. Did you try ? Otherwise I think it would be factory reset time. mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Syco54645 wrote: > I was setting up wlan poke on one of my radios and I mist have > fatfingered the rcS.local as the radio is no longer booting, it just > sits on the logitech screen. Is there a way to get past this so that I > can fix my gaf? Not familiar with wlanpoke, but... Power it off (press and hold power or unplug), then you can do a factory reset by press and hold '+' then press and hold power, release both when the screen wakes up. Should take you to initial config sequence. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
I was setting up wlan poke on one of my radios and I mist have fatfingered the rcS.local as the radio is no longer booting, it just sits on the logitech screen. Is there a way to get past this so that I can fix my gaf? Syco54645's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=73039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
slartibartfast wrote: > I have always left my router set to "Auto" channel bonding, whatever > that means and never noticed any issues. Should it be set to 20MHz? If it is not causing a problem then leave it. Not sure if it only becomes a problem when a device on the same network needs/requests 40MHz. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
bpa wrote: > Asus "Smart Connect" seems to be a load management by the router to > spread devices across 3 bands (2.4Ghz and 2 5Ghz) all sharing same > SSID. > IIRC Some user reported problems with some dual/tri band routers if > 2.4GHz and 5GHz networks had same SSID. > > Wifi 6 (aka 802.11ax) compatible routers also implement a lot of > previous standards/features which may still be a separate setting in > router. > Logitech Squeezebox are old so do NOT support or can have problems > with: > * 20MHz/40MHz - aka Channel Bonding. Only 20MHz will work. > * AP Roaming aka 802.11r (maybe also 802.1k & 802.11v) > * "better" WLAN performance by changing RTS and CTS timing. > > A while ago (maybe no longer an issue), some router power saving > measures when router thinks devices as idle can cause devices to > disconnect.I have always left my router set to "Auto" channel bonding, > whatever that means and never noticed any issues. Should it be set to 20MHz? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Asus "Smart Connect" seems to be a load management by the router to spread devices across 3 bands (2.4Ghz and 2 5Ghz) all sharing same SSID. IIRC Some user reported problems with some dual/tri band routers if 2.4GHz and 5GHz networks had same SSID. Wifi 6 (aka 802.11ax) compatible routers also implement a lot of previous standards/features which may still be a separate setting in router. Logitech Squeezebox are old so do NOT support or can have problems with: * 20MHz/40MHz - aka Channel Bonding. Only 20MHz will work. * AP Roaming aka 802.11r (maybe also 802.1k & 802.11v) * "better" WLAN performance by changing RTS and CTS timing. A while ago (maybe no longer an issue), some router power saving measures when router thinks devices as idle can cause devices to disconnect. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Is "Smart Connect"known as anything else? I can't finst any mention of it in my router management menus Then again, there's no specic mention of WiFi6 - just 802.11ax. Having said everything worked last night - it then all stopped! I'll have the apartment to myself for a few hours later today, and will try this, that, and the other... 8.2.1 - 1639114554 Win11 Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 6 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), LAN Desktop 3 x Touch - 1 wireless, 2 LAN. (8.0.1-r16862) 2 x SB Radios [wireless] (8.0.1-r16881) 2 x SqueezeAmps b) Freebox External SSD, WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:8.0.1-r16862) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (8.0.1-r16881) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Nomen Nescio wrote: > Cam you explain the 'right bandwidth' option? > I suspect the setting 'channel optimization' in my router to be the > cause of the disconnection of my radio. > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn Mi A3 met Tapatalk No idea. The Asus is set to 20/40 MHz for channel bandwidth Version: 8.3.0 - 1655802730 @ Tue 21 Jun 2022 11:24:25 AM CEST Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.30.0 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi IO::Socket::SSL: 2.067 Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0) One SB Touch connected by Ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers One wireless SB Touch connected by Optical to Sabaj A4 amp and Energy bookshelf speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Cam you explain the 'right bandwidth' option? I suspect the setting 'channel optimization' in my router to be the cause of the disconnection of my radio. Verstuurd vanaf mijn Mi A3 met Tapatalk LMS 8.3 (latest nightly) on Windows 10 (latest) as a Server (and Raspberry PiCoreplayer as backup LMS) Squeexebox Touch's Squeezebox Boom's Squeezebox Radio's Squeezebox Classic Picoreplayer's Nomen Nescio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
agbagb wrote: > Just an update - so, it was (easily, if a tad hidden in the Menus) > possible to disable WiFi6 / 802.11ax, and everything (including the old > laptop) works fine. > > The family have had enough of my "messing about" for the moment, but a > tad later I'll try re-enabling WiFi6, and see if the kit "holds" its > now-established connection or cuts out. Back in the day, I did have > some kit in the system that would not do a first connection if 5Ghz was > enabled along with 2.4Ghz at the router, but would hold its 2.4Ghz > connections when 5Ghz was re-enabled. So I'm wondering if WiFi5 and 6 > may have a similar quirk, at least on this router? On verra, as we say > here in France. I have Asus 6Ghz routers that work fine with both radios and Touch player for wifi. I have Wi-fi 6 enabled. The one thing I disabled that seems to make the difference is Smart Connect. Most of the other settings are enabled (auto wireless, WiFFi 6 mode,WiFi Agile Multiband,Channel bandwidth 24/40,Protected Management frames). I have used it this way for nearly a year Version: 8.3.0 - 1655802730 @ Tue 21 Jun 2022 11:24:25 AM CEST Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.30.0 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi IO::Socket::SSL: 2.067 Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0) One SB Touch connected by Ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers One wireless SB Touch connected by Optical to Sabaj A4 amp and Energy bookshelf speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Just an update - so, it was (easily, if a tad hidden in the Menus) possible to disable WiFi6 / 802.11ax, and everything (including the old laptop) works fine. The family have had enough of my "messing about" for the moment, but a tad later I'll try re-enabling WiFi6, and see if the kit "holds" its now-established connection or cuts out. Back in the day, I did have some kit in the system that would not do a first connection if 5Ghz was enabled along with 2.4Ghz at the router, but would hold its 2.4Ghz connections when 5Ghz was re-enabled. So I'm wondering if WiFi5 and 6 may have a similar quirk, at least on this router? On verra, as we say here in France. 8.2.1 - 1639114554 Win11 Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 6 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), LAN Desktop 3 x Touch - 1 wireless, 2 LAN. (8.0.1-r16862) 2 x SB Radios [wireless] (8.0.1-r16881) 2 x SqueezeAmps b) Freebox External SSD, WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:8.0.1-r16862) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (8.0.1-r16881) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Moving apartment here in Paris, I thought I'd ordered new ISP equipment that would avoid the WiFi6 / Mesh issue, by ordering the Freebox Pop When it arrived, there was a glossy note congratulating me on being one the first customers to receive (at no extra charge.) the shiny new WiFi6 / Mesh enabled, upgraded Pop Server. Damn. The Touches seem fine (havn't tried the SqueezeAmps yet), but the Radios not - they'll find the SSID but after a while of trying to connect, tell me they cannot obtain a DHCP connection. A first fiddle with the router configuration doesn't show any way of disabling WiFi6 (which I would happily do), but I was a bit rushed when I gave that a try - so, to be re-visited. Luckily, the kit includes a WiFi repeater, which has LAN out to - and the physical configuration of the space means that the bedside Radio can use ethernet quite happily. So probably I'll be OK. Annoying though.. An oddity - I fired up a 10-year-old Lenovo laptop to use in the new place until I've fully moved out of the old one. That can't even see the new SSID, nevermind try and connect to it. Very odd. Probably I'm doing something dumb in that instance. 8.2.1 - 1639114554 Win11 Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 6 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), LAN Desktop 3 x Touch - 1 wireless, 2 LAN. (8.0.1-r16862) 2 x SB Radios [wireless] (8.0.1-r16881) 2 x SqueezeAmps b) Freebox External SSD, WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:8.0.1-r16862) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (8.0.1-r16881) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Is channel optimisation needed for fast roaming? See this article and especially the end that suggests turning of fast roaming unless using Enterprise WPA2 when old devices are around. https://www.networkcomputing.com/wireless-infrastructure/wifi-fast-roaming-simplified Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Problem started with a new router and 3 smartwifipods. Together they make a mesh network. Channel optimization is necessary for this network. When I switch back to my former configuration with two old school AP's connected to the new router the connection problems are over. Verstuurd vanaf mijn Mi A3 met Tapatalk LMS 8.3 (latest nightly) on Windows 10 (latest) as a Server (and Raspberry PiCoreplayer as backup LMS) Squeexebox Touch's Squeezebox Boom's Squeezebox Radio's Squeezebox Classic Picoreplayer's Nomen Nescio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
I did not read the whole thread. Could be someone suggested the following already. You should try to deactivate fast roaming on your router. At least with my sb classics that trick worked. michel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
pfcs49 wrote: > I check in on this conversation now and then. > > I certainly hope some hero finds the solution. > > It seems cosmically unfair to have to dump five perfectly great Radios > for no fault of their own! I am glad to hear you are around and doing well Phil. While there are several work arounds that people are happy with (discussed here and other threads), there has not, to date, been a magic wand for the radios. Why not try one? wlanpoke, wifi dongles, powerline adaptors, etc, etc. I can't recall off the top of my head all you tried so far. I do remember that some of your radios are stationary, those would be the easiest to use something like an adaptor. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
I check in on this conversation now and then. I certainly hope some hero finds the solution. It seems cosmically unfair to have to dump five perfectly great Radios for no fault of their own! pfcs49's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > Paul, thanks for the further detail, but I am confused by this > statement, did you mean to say "not"? > > To summarize my long winded explanation, the power line adaptors work > best on two outlets on the same circuit (breaker), but also have a good > chance of working if they are on different breakers, but the same leg. > So if the breakers for each outlet are on the same side of the panel, it > might work. > > Jim I meant Âhot which is Line 1 and Line 2 in the diagram. For alternating current there is the hot wire and the neutral. In the US the black wire is the hot and the white is the neutral. The neutral wires would all be connected at the circuit breaker panel. Whereas in your diagram Line 1 and Line 2 connect the transformer. This is why the power line device might not work connected across line1 and line2 because the transformer will alter the voltage. However, if two separate circuits in the house both use line1, then the signal does not have to move across the transformer. It just occurred to me that if these power line devices use the neutral wire then the problem of going across line1 and line2 is eliminated because all the neutral wires connect at the panel and should not be impacted by the transformer. For full disclosure, I am not an electrician but I work in the electric utility business and I have done electrical wiring repairs at my house. Paul P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
KeBul wrote: > All this chatter on different voltage feeds/circuits is irrelevant to > the OP (tswright) > Kev you brought the subject up in post #350. We were just responding to your post, and trying to clarify what might work and why. Readers may think "circuit" when indeed the device may work with separate circuits on the same "bank". Maybe this info will be helpful to someone, sorry it wasn't for @tswright. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
All this chatter on different voltage feeds/circuits is irrelevant to the OP (tswright), being in Australia he will have a single phase supply to his home... 220/230/240v - one live wire supplied to premises, I think it's only North America that uses the 120v/240v split-phase system. And now he's tested it powerline adapters do not work for him: tsrwright wrote: > Oh dear, didn't work because the bedrooms are on a different power > circuit to the room with the router/modem. > > Is there a current or recent model wifi extender which is NOT the > powerline type that can live with the SB? Terry just to clarify, Are you looking to drop the Telstra Smart wifi booster and try another setup? Or planning to retain the Telstra Smart wifi booster and add another wifi setup specifically to work with just the SB Radios? Cheers Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
kidstypike wrote: > Ouch! Sorry, post deleted. :o no worries, you have given me puzzles before, though this was a new one! :) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > not understanding what you are asking, my comment was based on Paul's: > -"Thus it is *not* very easy to determine the power line ethernet > adpater is on the same hot feed".- > > I was asking if "not" was intended because I think it is straight > forward to determine if two outlets are on the same circuit or leg/hot > > Jim Ouch! Sorry, post deleted. :o *Server - LMS 8.3.0 *RPi4B 4GB/NanoSound ONE case/pCP 8.1.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on Sata SSD (ntfs) *Lounge* - DAC32 - AudioEngine B2 *Office* - RPi 3B+/HiFiBerry DAC HAT/RPi screen - Edifier D12 *Bedroom* - Echo Show 8 *Spares* - 1xSB Touch, 1xSB3, 3xRPi, 1xCORE32, AVI DM5 speakers kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
kidstypike wrote: > For "hot" read "live"? not understanding what you are asking, my comment was based on Paul's: -"Thus it is *not* very easy to determine the power line ethernet adpater is on the same hot feed".- I was asking if "not" was intended because I think it is straight forward to determine if two outlets are on the same circuit or leg/hot Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > Paul, thanks for the further detail, but I am confused by this > statement, did you mean to say "not"? > > To summarize my long winded explanation, the power line adaptors work > best on two outlets on the same circuit (breaker), but also have a good > chance of working if they are on different breakers, but the same leg. > So if the breakers for each outlet are on the same side of the panel, it > might work. > > Jim For "hot" read "live"? *Server - LMS 8.3.0 *RPi4B 4GB/NanoSound ONE case/pCP 8.1.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on Sata SSD (ntfs) *Lounge* - DAC32 - AudioEngine B2 *Office* - RPi 3B+/HiFiBerry DAC HAT/RPi screen - Edifier D12 *Bedroom* - Echo Show 8 *Spares* - 1xSB Touch, 1xSB3, 3xRPi, 1xCORE32, AVI DM5 speakers kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
P Nelson wrote: > > Thus it is not very easy to determine the power line ethernet adpater is > on the same hot feed. > Paul, thanks for the further detail, but I am confused by this statement, did you mean to say "not"? To summarize my long winded explanation, the power line adaptors work best on two outlets on the same circuit (breaker), but also have a good chance of working if they are on different breakers, but the same leg. So if the breakers for each outlet are on the same side of the panel, it might work. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > Gary, Kev, I think the labelling of "circuit" is misleading, while the > same circuit is certainly ideal, what is really needed in the same "leg > (line)". Here in the US (similar in Europe?), our power comes in as a > "split phase" with 2 hots (legs/lines), a neutral, and a ground. It's > 240vac single phase between the two hots, and two 120vac circuits are > formed between each hot and neutral. What they mean is the two powerline > devices should be on the same "leg/line group" > 38858 > > In our circuit breaker panel, we have two columns of breakers, A (odd) > on the left, and B (even) on the right. Each side is the same leg. So, > what the powerline adaptors want is the same leg at a minimum, but > circuit (breaker) is ideal. If you think about it, the Ethernet is a > modulated signal on a 120vac carrier. It has to travel a distance, and > going from one adaptor, through a breaker, back to the panel bus, then > back out through another breaker, to the other adaptor. That is not > "ideal" but if distances are reasonable, it should work. However, it is > is being asked to go back to the panel and over to the other leg/line > (through the transformer??) that's what probably won't work. > > So, identify the breaker(s) for the two outlets to be used and see if > the breakers are on the same "side" > > As an aside, I think these things are real cool and solve allot of > people's issues > > Jim Jim's discription and diagram is the typical wiring in the US. To add a bit more info, the typical circuit breaker has two rails, one for each of the two hot 120v feeds. The electrian will balance the load in the home between the two rails (120v feeds). There is also a skinny breaker which will feed two circuits from the same rail. If you look at a 240 v circuit it will have a little bridge that connects them together. Thus it is not very easy to determine the power line ethernet adpater is on the same hot feed. Paul P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
tsrwright wrote: > -... ]If you go down either route, there's plenty of people here who can > help you get setup once we know which product you've gone for. > > Hope this helps- > > Many thanks all. > > Based on your advice I think the simplest solution is that as the > office/study equipment with SB works with wireless signals direct from > the router, I can use a powerline adaptor at the router and powerline > adaptors with wifi access in the distant bedrooms for tablets and > kindles. > > I have 2 x Nettcom NP505F powerline adaptors but I understand the > equivalent with wfi access is discontinued. Any suggestions as to what I > should get? Do the adaptors all have to be the same type/brand? > > Thanks again, > > Terry Oh dear, didn't work because the bedrooms are on a different power circuit to the room with the router/modem. Is there a current or recent model wifi extender which is NOT the powerline type that can live with the SB? tsrwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=73074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
H, I wonder channel optimization can be turned off? Frankly, I am REALLY tired of this wifi issue. I have wlanpoke working on the two SB radios I have. While it does help, I do miss parts of the news broadcast when the disconnect happens. It is VERY annoying to have it happen right in the middle of an important news article on NPR.:mad::mad: I am ready to make a wifi SSID ONLY for these two SB radios... on my Ruckus R550 access point, with all the fancy stuff turned off and then see if they stay stable.:cool: If that also does not work, I am going to try adding my old router back to our home network JUST to feed these two SB radios (but that router always disconnects the radios when the kitchen Microwave runs):eek: Nomen Nescio wrote: > Same problem overhere in the Netherlands with smartwifi pods. Chanel > optimazition seems to be the culprit. > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn Mi A3 met Tapatalk rajdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71085 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
And I'm more of an experiment guy. Try it. If it works, great. If not, then maybe explore why, or move to a different plan. :cool: *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > Gary, Kev, I think the labelling of "circuit" is misleading, while the > same circuit is certainly ideal, what is really needed in the same "leg > (line)". Here in the US (similar in Europe?), our power comes in as a > "split phase" with 2 hots (legs/lines), a neutral, and a ground. It's > 240vac single phase between the two hots, and two 120vac circuits are > formed between each hot and neutral. What they mean is the two powerline > devices should be on the same "leg/line group" > 38858 > > In our circuit breaker panel, we have two columns of breakers, A (odd) > on the left, and B (even) on the right. Each side is the same leg. So, > what the powerline adaptors want is the same leg at a minimum, but > circuit (breaker) is ideal. If you think about it, the Ethernet is a > modulated signal on a 120vac carrier. It has to travel a distance, and > going from one adaptor, through a breaker, back to the panel bus, then > back out through another breaker, to the other adaptor. That is not > "ideal" but if distances are reasonable, it should work. However, it is > is being asked to go back to the panel and over to the other leg/line > (through the transformer??) that's what probably won't work. > > So, identify the breaker(s) for the two outlets to be used and see if > the breakers are on the same "side" > > As an aside, I think these things are real cool and solve allot of > people's issues > > Jim Nah, a single 240v live along with a neutral/earth is supplied to residential premises here in the UK and my reference to circuit means an internal distribution supply from the fuse box/consumer unit through one fuse/circuit breaker (circuit breaker - the clue is in the name!) . No idea what system Australia use. (Terry stated Telstra Australia as his ISP, so I've assumed Aus). But let's move on from this, was just trying to give Terry, a non-techie, some relatively simple clear paths forward in resolving his particular SB Radio wifi issues, which I think has been achieved with the two options suggested, it's now up to him to choose, try and report back for further help if he needs it. Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Thanks Jim. This makes perfect sense...and explains why it works for me. Redrum wrote: > Gary, Kev, I think the labelling of "circuit" is misleading, while the > same circuit is certainly ideal, what is really needed in the same "leg > (line)". Here in the US (similar in Europe?), our power comes in as a > "split phase" with 2 hots (legs/lines), a neutral, and a ground. It's > 240vac single phase between the two hots, and two 120vac circuits are > formed between each hot and neutral. What they mean is the two powerline > devices should be on the same "leg/line group" > 38858 > > In our circuit breaker panel, we have two columns of breakers, A (odd) > on the left, and B (even) on the right. Each side is the same leg. So, > what the powerline adaptors want is the same leg at a minimum, but > circuit (breaker) is ideal. If you think about it, the Ethernet is a > modulated signal on a 120vac carrier. It has to travel a distance, and > going from one adaptor, through a breaker, back to the panel bus, then > back out through another breaker, to the other adaptor. That is not > "ideal" but if distances are reasonable, it should work. However, it is > is being asked to go back to the panel and over to the other leg/line > (through the transformer??) that's what probably won't work. > > So, identify the breaker(s) for the two outlets to be used and see if > the breakers are on the same "side" > > As an aside, I think these things are real cool and solve allot of > people's issues > > Jim *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
KeBul wrote: > it is often mentioned not to use them on different circuits > > Kev Gary, Kev, I think the labelling of "circuit" is misleading, while the same circuit is certainly ideal, what is really needed in the same "leg (line)". Here in the US (similar in Europe?), our power comes in as a "split phase" with 2 hots (legs/lines), a neutral, and a ground. It's 240vac single phase between the two hots, and two 120vac circuits are formed between each hot and neutral. What they mean is the two powerline devices should be on the same "leg/line group" 38858 In our circuit breaker panel, we have two columns of breakers, A (odd) on the left, and B (even) on the right. Each side is the same leg. So, what the powerline adaptors want is the same leg at a minimum, but circuit (breaker) is ideal. If you think about it, the Ethernet is a modulated signal on a 120vac carrier. It has to travel a distance, and going from one adaptor, through a breaker, back to the panel bus, then back out through another breaker, to the other adaptor. That is not "ideal" but if distances are reasonable, it should work. However, it is is being asked to go back to the panel and over to the other leg/line (through the transformer??) that's what probably won't work. So, identify the breaker(s) for the two outlets to be used and see if the breakers are on the same "side" As an aside, I think these things are real cool and solve allot of people's issues Jim +---+ |Filename: split phase.gif | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38858| +---+ Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
-... ]If you go down either route, there's plenty of people here who can help you get setup once we know which product you've gone for. Hope this helps- Many thanks all. Based on your advice I think the simplest solution is that as the office/study equipment works with wireless signals direct from the router, I can use a powerline adaptor at the router and powerline adaptors with wifi access in the distant bedrooms for tablets and kindles. I have 2 x Nettcom NP505F powerline adaptors but I understand the equivalent with wfi access is discontinued. Any suggestions as to what I should get? Do the adaptors all have to be the same type/brand? Thanks again, Terry tsrwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=73074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
garym wrote: > I'm no expert on this, but I can say my radio connected to a netgear > ethernet over powerline works flawlessly. The units are maybe 5 or 6 > years old. Also, by circuit, if you mean the outlets are on the same > circuit breaker, at least in my case this is not required. My ethernet > power unit is plugged into an entirely different circuit than the > ethernet power unit near the radio. I think the way your house is wired > does have something to do with all this. But certainly worth trying. Yeah sure - that's why I didn't dismiss it as an option - I did do a quick search and read to confirm the different circuit issue, perhaps the newer Homeplug AV2 protocol is less sensitive to this, but certainly it is often mentioned not to use them on different circuits. Further searching just now found... Don't, do, do but expect a performance drop, do but it may not work, so I guess as you say it would be a case of try and see. Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
I'm no expert on this, but I can say my radio connected to a netgear ethernet over powerline works flawlessly. The units are maybe 5 or 6 years old. Also, by circuit, if you mean the outlets are on the same circuit breaker, at least in my case this is not required. My ethernet power unit is plugged into an entirely different circuit than the ethernet power unit near the radio. I think the way your house is wired does have something to do with all this. But certainly worth trying. KeBul wrote: > > As Gary says you could use powerline adapters, although personally I'm > not a fan of those but that's based on products from many years back, > I'm sure they have improved considerably since I tried them. > All the outlets would need to be on the same power circuit - your fuse > box should help indicate if this is possible. Using my house as an > example, I have 3 fuses/circuit breakers for mains outlets: a downstairs > circuit, an upstairs circuit and a kitchen circuit. > In my case a powerline adapter wouldn't work well (if at all), my router > is upstairs so the first powerline would be plugged into the upstairs > circuit and if I was trying to extend the network for my kitchen SB > Radio the second paired powerline would be plugged into the kitchen > mains circuit - so no joy for me on that setup. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
tsrwright wrote: > Only in three permanent places. OK Thanks, In that case, as Gary says you could use powerline adapters, personally I'm not a fan of those but that's based on products from many years back, but I'm sure they have improved considerably since I tried them. All the outlets would need to be on the same power circuit - your fuse box should help indicate if this is possible. Using my house as an example, I have 3 fuses/circuit breakers for mains outlets: a downstairs circuit, an upstairs circuit and a kitchen circuit. In my case a powerline adapter wouldn't work well (if at all), my router is upstairs so the first powerline would be plugged into the upstairs circuit and if I was trying to extend the network for my kitchen SB Radio the second paired powerline would be plugged into the kitchen mains circuit - so no joy for me on that setup. If that's not an issue you would need 4 powerline adapters and a spare ethernet port on your router. One powerline plugged in near the router and the other three plugged in near each SB Radio. Each powerline adapter plugs into the mains and is connected to you router and SB Radios via ethernet cables. (please note, there are other possible configurations, but at this stage I'm trying to keep things simple) Your next option would be to use a mini wifi bridge/router such as these: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/291535330636?epid=4032160074=item43e0dc1d4c:g:JEkAAOSwaT1gf3g0=enc%3AAQAH4PFxoQSZW1nco5tyqWWnR%2Bsb77CUcq%2BkGCSbqySGo4bBBmBkxvBUIImD6ctJLiZtLKyRxVPyYN6IvNYYndjHOjSxgPzKDykmQYy2jkqYHZ2s28Bwtmnc5zvKG3k4QAs%2Br4ybuQT3za5oFFy1iuqRmToeoPD4No9zwY3UkzC5t167OAEDPA%2ByVuC7VD0h4MiMQsKd47O8OttJmDuRed5M4YEIY0lAgdtvJxiwqqKwtV4BA3DvIXZUtzP46U8j2DgUoNRH94PUdpLOVy2sQwa002W1nxc0xXbsyS%2F3nTEWPQNb%7Ctkp%3ABFBMnJyX1Pdg or https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/165621085795?hash=item268fc93663:g:TdUAAOSwLX5i8744=enc%3AAQAHkHIaRpn6OkF%2FR%2FEdI1hBZDGU1bUBS5oZXE163PA3lK0vmugPNUTrCkd2gXY3%2FV8FV6%2B9ZeLKdnkIIdEdkk4Znxy3vI8nnt3gUe2xLaq3VNxRmNfxxkhxDyqitoDh5oJ2qCwLF9AEGWJtiGqDDgSRlt6EvyLa%2FU5kRl%2BZJ%2BFVuWOUTtpN6xpAe%2Bhq09aK1%2FLStg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_rMm9T3YA So the essence of these devices are they wirelessly connect (hopefully reliably) to your new 'smart wifi booster' but connect to the SB radio over a network cable/ethernet thus bypassing the problematic inbuilt wireless of the Radio. You would need 3 of these, one for each radio. The Vonets have built in network cable and users on this site often power them from the SB Radio PSU, but then they need to be located close to the player itself The TP-Link ones would need an additional usb 5v 1a psu and usb cable (I have loads of these kicking around because they typically come with phones, tablets, Kindles etc etc) and some network leads, but that does mean you can use a longer network lead and just run that to the radio from where-ever you place the mini wifi bridge. There's a small amount of configuration to be done on the mini wifi bridge to set it into the correct mode and enter the wifi credentials to connect to your 'smart wifi booster' followed by reconfiguring the SB Radio to use ethernet rather than wifi. If you go down either route, there's plenty of people here who can help you get setup once we know which product you've gone for. Hope this helps Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
tsrwright wrote: > Only in three permanent places. In that case, use the ethernet over power suggestion, but no need for WIFI. plug in a connector near your radio and connect to radio with ethernet cable. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
KeBul wrote: > Terry, > > Do you move your SB Radios around? i.e. they have batteries installed > and you treat them as portable devices, or are they left in the same > location hooked up to mains all the time? > > Cheers > > Kev Only in three permanent places. tsrwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=73074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
tsrwright wrote: > I have just installed a (Telstra) 'Smart WiFi Booster' to replace an old > device that wasn't reliably serving one end of the house. > > Seemingly at this point all three of my Squeezeboxes started to drop out > after the same period of about 5 minutes working fine. Rebooting the SB > restarts the connections ok - for five minutes. > > I have read some of this and other threads on the subject and understand > there is probably a network interference problem that looks to be far > too technical for me to deal with. > > To keep my Squeezeboxes in service is there a relatively simple solution > that a 'lay person' could follow maybe with a little help from his > service provider (Telstra Australia)? > > Many thanks, > > Terry Terry, Do you move your SB Radios around? i.e. they have batteries installed and you treat them as portable devices, or are they left in the same location hooked up to mains all the time? Cheers Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Thanks, I will try that, indeed I might even have the gear from a few years back. Sorry, I don't follow this: '... If you heave Ethernet access newer the WiFi dead zone then a standalone WiFi access point can work but then you have to remember to turn off DHCP on it.' tsrwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=73074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Pair of powerline adapters. Connect one via Ethernet to your router and the other (with WiFi access point built in not all do) in a weak WiFi area. Set this new WAP to same SSID, Auth type and passphrase as your main one and you should find that things connect to it seamlessly. Sometimes it does not work well when you walk between the areas with WiFi connected because the device tries to keep connected to the AP it was on before . but if that happens then WiFi on/off on the device usually resolves it. If you heave Ethernet access newer the WiFi dead zone then a standalone WiFi access point can work but then you have to remember to turn off DHCP on it. Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
It's definitely the new extension that is causing the problem. Any suggestions for extending a network without this trouble? tsrwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=73074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
tsrwright wrote: > I have just installed a (Telstra) 'Smart WiFi Booster' to replace an old > device that wasn't reliably serving one end of the house. > > Seemingly at this point all three of my Squeezeboxes started to drop out > after the same period of about 5 minutes working fine. Rebooting the SB > restarts the connections ok - for five minutes. > > I have read some of this and other threads on the subject and understand > there is probably a network interference problem that looks to be far > too technical for me to deal with. > > To keep my Squeezeboxes in service is there a relatively simple solution > that a 'lay person' could follow maybe with a little help from his > service provider (Telstra Australia)? > > Many thanks, > > TerrySame problem overhere in the Netherlands with smartwifi pods. Chanel optimazition seems to be the culprit. Verstuurd vanaf mijn Mi A3 met Tapatalk LMS 8.3 (latest nightly) on Windows 10 (latest) as a Server (and Raspberry PiCoreplayer as backup LMS) Squeexebox Touch's Squeezebox Boom's Squeezebox Radio's Squeezebox Classic Picoreplayer's Nomen Nescio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
I have just installed a (Telstra) 'Smart WiFi Booster' to replace an old device that wasn't reliably serving one end of the house. Seemingly at this point all three of my Squeezeboxes started to drop out after the same period of about 5 minutes working fine. Rebooting the SB restarts the connections ok - for five minutes. I have read some of this and other threads on the subject and understand there is probably a network interference problem that looks to be far too technical for me to deal with. To keep my Squeezeboxes in service is there a relatively simple solution that a 'lay person' could follow maybe with a little help from his service provider (Telstra Australia)? Many thanks, Terry tsrwright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=73074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
P Nelson wrote: > The use of port forwarding to solve the SB Radio problem did not make > any sense to me, but I am not wireless or networking expert. If you > read through this thread the interference can be caused by a neighbor > using Wifi6 standard. I am reasonably confident from my testing and > others observations, the problem is related to Wifi6. The location of > the radio can be a factor. Two of my Radios would drop within a day, > but a third in the kitchen did not have a problem. However, when my > wife relocated the Instapot coooker that was near Radio, the kitchen > radio now occasionally drops from the network. Now I might be a > believer in the faraday cage type attempts to reduce the strength of > interfering signals. > > Have you tried installing Wlanpoke? For me, it did not entirely resolve > the problem dropping off the network, but reduce it to once a week. The > best solution is to bypass the internal wifi with an Ethernet to Wifi > bridge. It did not make any sense to me either, but after I removed those port forwards the Radio seemed stable for way longer than usual (days instead of hours), I guess there was no causal link. What is wlanpoke and where does it get installed? I might end up using an ethernet to wifi bridge, are there any of those that work on battery power? One of my SB Radio use cases is to have tunes outside on battery power while entertaining in the Summer (one of my main use cases). Thanks! Locutus1967's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70182 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Locutus1967 wrote: > My SB Radio was up for 4-5 days and I had never seen it last that long, > but this morning it disconnected from the wifi again...so alas...problem > not solved. The use of port forwarding to solve the SB Radio problem did not make any sense to me, but I am not wireless or networking expert. If you read through this thread the interference can be caused by a neighbor using Wifi6 standard. I am reasonably confident from my testing and others observations, the problem is related to Wifi6. The location of the radio can be a factor. Two of my Radios would drop within a day, but a third in the kitchen did not have a problem. However, when my wife relocated the Instapot coooker that was near Radio, the kitchen radio now occasionally drops from the network. Now I might be a believer in the faraday cage type attempts to reduce the strength of interfering signals. Have you tried installing Wlanpoke? For me, it did not entirely resolve the problem dropping off the network, but reduce it to once a week. The best solution is to bypass the internal wifi with an Ethernet to Wifi bridge. P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
My SB Radio was up for 4-5 days and I had never seen it last that long, but this morning it disconnected from the wifi again...so alas...problem not solved. Locutus1967 wrote: > Hi folks, I know this is a long thread but wanted to share my > experiences with my SB Radio losing wifi connection. I tried everything > in this thread: edit the WLAN file, moving to a dedicated 2.4 G network, > turning off beam forming on my mesh, even the faraday cage nothing > worked until I did something a few days out of pure chance. > > My home network setup is very simple and newbie alert I dont know much > about home networking so apologies in advance if I say anything dumb. I > have a modem/router on my Cable provider (I live in Canada), but a year > ago I purchased a TP-Link Mesh system with 3 Access Point Pucks that I > have placed around the house. The TP-Link is wired to the Router and I > have set it up in Router Mode and not AP mode. So basically my > Modem/Router is really a pass through to my mesh. All of my devices are > on the mesh network. On the SB side my LMS is running on my QNAP NAS > (wired) my Touch is Wired and my Boom and Radio are Wireless (both on > the 2.4 band of the mesh). The Radio would connect then drop after a > few hours like everyone else was experiencing. > > I was recently reading up on how to setup a VPN server on my NAS so I > could connect to my home network from outside the house and I learned > all about Port Forwarding (which I need to setup both on the main Router > and my TP-Link). I never knew what a Port Forward was until I started > reading up on this. When I opened up my Admin page for the modem/router > (not the mesh the TP link has such a basic config options, more on that > at another time) I see several pages of Port Forwards that were setup, > none of which were added by me. I imagine there were apps that were > adding Port Forwards to my router without my knowledge. So I started > removing all of the port forwards that were not forwarding to my mesh > network (I left those since I was not sure if they were still needed). > After removing all of these forward rules my SB Radio no longer drops > the wifi connection, it has now been stable for several days. > > I dont think I understand how a port forward on my router can have this > impact but I wanted to share my experiences in case it can help anyone > else. Apologies for the long post! Locutus1967's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70182 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Hi folks, I know this is a long thread but wanted to share my experiences with my SB Radio losing wifi connection. I tried everything in this thread: edit the WLAN file, moving to a dedicated 2.4 G network, turning off beam forming on my mesh, even the faraday cage nothing worked until I did something a few days out of pure chance. My home network setup is very simple and newbie alert I dont know much about home networking so apologies in advance if I say anything dumb. I have a modem/router on my Cable provider (I live in Canada), but a year ago I purchased a TP-Link Mesh system with 3 Access Point Pucks that I have placed around the house. The TP-Link is wired to the Router and I have set it up in Router Model and not AP mode. So basically my Modem/Router is really a pass through to my mesh. All of my devices are on the mesh network. On the SB side my LMS is running on my QNAP NAS (wired) my Touch is Wired and my Boom and Radio are Wireless (both on the 2.4 band of the mesh). The Radio would connect then drop after a few hours like everyone else was experiencing. I was recently reading up on how to setup a VPN server on my NAS so I could connect to my home network from outside the house and I learned all about Port Forwarding (which I need to setup both on the main Router and my TP-Link). I never knew what a Port Forward was until I started reading up on this. When I opened up my Admin page for the modem/router (not the mesh the TP link has such a basic config options, more on that at another time) I see several pages of Port Forwards that were setup, none of which were added by me. I imagine there were apps that were adding Port Forwards to my router without my knowledge. So I started removing all of the port forwards that were not forwarding to my mesh network (I left those since I was not sure if they were still needed). After removing all of these forward rules my SB Radio no longer drops the wifi connection, it has now been stable for several days. I dont think I understand how a port forward on my router can have this impact but I wanted to share my experiences in case it can help anyone else. Apologies for the long post! Locutus1967's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70182 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
jeff52807 wrote: > Yes. And the problem radio had the issue of losing the wifi connection > no matter where in the house that I tried it solo. Right now it's been > working for going on 6 hours synched to a non-problem radio. I am > puzzled. I can't really help, all my radios are fine, I think it's really interesting though. I am wondering if others out there with problems in this thread (hello?!) might try sync. What's weird is in my experience if one player (in my case a receiver) struggled, all others synced struggled as well (rebuffering, then back, repeat cycle). So, sync made it worse. I am also not sure of the exact mechanism that LMS uses in sync that is not present in a normal stream. Maybe one of the devs might be able to shed some insight. If curious maybe you could try both internet streams and your own library, and also a different type of player (if you have one, or use something like squeezelite-X if you have a PC) as the sync healer. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > Good thing you didn't spend your time wading, there is no Holy Grail :) > > so, ignoring sync for a moment, you can use a non-problem radio in the > same location where your problem radio fails, and it operates fine? > Stays connected? > > Jim Yes. And the problem radio had the issue of losing the wifi connection no matter where in the house that I tried it solo. Right now it's been working for going on 6 hours synched to a non-problem radio. I am puzzled. jeff52807's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34220 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
jeff52807 wrote: > Bought it off eBay. It won't stay connected to my wifi for very long > even though it's in the same room as my router. Didn't wade through all > the posts, but one gave me an idea. > > I have several, so I brought another one into the same room and fired it > up. Synched my 'problem' radio to it. It's been working fine for about > 90 minutes which is longer than it's stayed connected to wifi since I > bought it. > > Will have to try it in another location further from the router and hope > for the best. Good thing you didn't spend your time wading, there is no Holy Grail :) so, ignoring sync for a moment, you can use a non-problem radio in the same location where your problem radio fails, and it operates fine? Stays connected? Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Bought it off eBay. It won't stay connected to my wifi for very long even though it's in the same room as my router. Didn't wade through all the posts, but one gave me an idea. I have several, so I brought another one into the same room and fired it up. Synched my 'problem' radio to it. It's been working fine for about 90 minutes which is longer than it's stayed connected to wifi since I bought it. Will have to try it in another location further from the router and hope for the best. jeff52807's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34220 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
slartibartfast wrote: > Presumably the foil is positioned to only block signals from particular > directions which is fine if you never move the radio [emoji2] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk well, you can always but allot of conductive paint and get a silver or copper colored radio! :) Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
slartibartfast wrote: > Presumably the foil is positioned to only block signals from particular > directions which is fine if you never move the radio A shaped (e.g. parabola) foil can also focus signal from a specific direction - so with judicious positioning - block the unwanted signals and improve the desirable one. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > as you said, discussed before, but I still am trying to wrap my head > around how this could work without tying the foil to "ground" (say Vdd > of the radio). From a physics standpoint. But if you did that do you > essentially create a faraday cage (where nothing get through). That is > why the basement is such a good idea (emphasis - to test) solid > structures, especially those with water (moisture in the soil, concrete, > people :)) will attenuate 2.4GHz carriers. The idea is to attenuate > yours )(stronger than needed) and your neighbors (weak enough to no > longer disrupt) - as you said Paul.. > > I (almost) wish I had a misbehaving radio. Maybe I'll try wrapping my > phone in foil and run wifianalyzer and see what happens. :) > > JimPresumably the foil is positioned to only block signals from particular directions which is fine if you never move the radio [emoji2] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
POMdev wrote: > > By the way, another user's suggestion to shield the radio with aluminum > foil, along with a strong signal from a nearby access point, is now > making more sense to me. By drastically reducing all the signals into > the radio, the offending signals may not cause problems because they are > too weak to be picked up by the periodic scan. The strong desired signal > becomes weaker, but this is not usually a problem for the radio. This > foil can be tried on the outside. If it works, it is a simple matter to > open the case and attach it to the inside for fixed location use. Some > experimentation may be in order. as you said, discussed before, but I still am trying to wrap my head around how this could work without tying the foil to "ground" (say Vdd of the radio). From a physics standpoint. But if you did that do you essentially create a faraday cage (where nothing get through). That is why the basement is such a good idea (emphasis - to test) solid structures, especially those with water (moisture in the soil, concrete, people :)) will attenuate 2.4GHz carriers. The idea is to attenuate yours )(stronger than needed) and your neighbors (weak enough to no longer disrupt) - as you said Paul.. I (almost) wish I had a misbehaving radio. Maybe I'll try wrapping my phone in foil and run wifianalyzer and see what happens. :) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
P Nelson wrote: > POMdev, one of you earlier posts mentioned the Wifi chip is Atheros > 6002. (It took me a while to find that in the search.) > > I am wondering if someone tech savy could attempt to contact the > manufacturer about an updated firmware that might solve the problem. > Probably a long shot, but perhaps someone might be sympathetic to our > problem. The difficulty will be finding that person with knowledge > about the chip. Perhaps the company might care about the conflicts that > are occurring so future chips will not have the problem. > > added the following: > It appears Qualcomm acquired Atheros, because www.atheros.com routes to > Qualcomm's website. Anyone here know someone at Qualcomm? Looking at this response https://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless=132584606421794=2 they couldn't be bothered to update the driver in 2011. slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
POMdev wrote: > > > Moving to another location is a lot of work. You have to scout out a > location, take your LMS machine and router, get power and an internet > connection, and be prepared to hang around for a while. While some > radios suffer 10-15 interruptions per hour, others are just a few per > day. Anyway, I think we have more or less determined that it is the > radio's chip firmware limitation causing the problem, and not the radio > deteriorating. > > POMdev, one of you earlier posts mentioned the Wifi chip is Atheros 6002. (It took me a while to find that in the search.) I am wondering if someone tech savy could attempt to contact the manufacturer about an updated firmware that might solve the problem. Probably a long shot, but perhaps someone might be sympathetic to our problem. The difficulty will be finding that person with knowledge about the chip. Perhaps the company might care about the conflicts that are occurring so future chips will not have the problem. P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > ...moving to a different location and trying. ... > also, when you say "where your phone reports very weak signals from > neighbors, you mean with an app such as wifi analyzer, right? The WiFiAnalyzer on Android is very suitable. It has a nice channel graph. I haven't tried it on the iPhone. The Access Points tab displays sometimes the manufacturer and always the Ethernet address, which identifies the manufacturer and model. It would be great if it identified mesh and WiFi6 signals, mine doesn't (old phone). Moving to another location is a lot of work. You have to scout out a location, take your LMS machine and router, get power and an internet connection, and be prepared to hang around for a while. While some radios suffer 10-15 interruptions per hour, others are just a few per day. Anyway, I think we have more or less determined that it is the radio's chip firmware limitation causing the problem, and not the radio deteriorating. By the way, another user's suggestion to shield the radio with aluminum foil, along with a strong signal from a nearby access point, is now making more sense to me. By drastically reducing all the signals into the radio, the offending signals may not cause problems because they are too weak to be picked up by the periodic scan. The strong desired signal becomes weaker, but this is not usually a problem for the radio. This foil can be tried on the outside. If it works, it is a simple matter to open the case and attach it to the inside for fixed location use. Some experimentation may be in order. POMdev's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70558 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
POMdev wrote: > No need to move the router. Try your radio in a basement location where > your phone reports very weak signals from neighbors. My 2 basement > radios are in ordinary basement locations, the most interior one almost > never fails, and the other one is "better." My worst radios are near the > outside walls, where the neighboring signals are pretty strong. good point on the basement, if they have one. The ground is quite dense. My suggestions really have been to narrow down "is it the radio/is it my network/is it nearby network". That's why I suggested moving to a different location and trying. My home is rural and my cabin can't much more rural (no other networks in sight), and I have no problems with my radio. I suppose if my neighbor at home upgrades his router, maybe also, when you say "where your phone reports very weak signals from neighbors, you mean with an app such as wifi analyzer, right? Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
doubleugk wrote: > ...I did another test and placed the SBR quite close to the router. > Assuming that a strong wifi signal would dominate the competing wifi > networks in the neighborhood. But unfortunately there is no difference, > after about 20 minutes the SBR lost the wifi signal. ... I think that doesn't work because the disruption occurs when the radio periodically scans all the channels for access points and hits a (WiFi6 or other) signal that "confuses" the closed source secret chip firmware, causing it to later miss transmissions from the router to the radio. The connection then fails. The solution is to update the chip firmware, and an update may have been created, but I haven't found it. The chip itself seems very capable. A workaround might be to drastically reduce the radio's periodic scanning, perhaps to only during too low signal strength conditions, which would mostly or entirely eliminate the problem for radios with a solid connection. > think it's time to put both your router and a radio in a Faraday Cage > I'm only (half) joking. ... No need to move the router. Try your radio in a basement location where your phone reports very weak signals from neighbors. My 2 basement radios are in ordinary basement locations, the most interior one almost never fails, and the other one is "better." My worst radios are near the outside walls, where the neighboring signals are pretty strong. POMdev's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70558 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
doubleugk wrote: > Hello all, > I did another test and placed the SBR quite close to the router. > Assuming that a strong wifi signal would dominate the competing wifi > networks in the neighborhood. But unfortunately there is no difference, > after about 20 minutes the SBR lost the wifi signal. What really makes > me wonder is the fact that 3 weeks ago I had no problems and suddenly 3 > SBR go offline. I think something is wrong with the firmware of the SBR. > > I set a fixed channel on my router and chose a channel with the least > usage. My router uses wifi 4 standard and no changes in network hard and > software. I think it's time to put both your router and a radio in a Faraday Cage :) I'm only (half) joking. Again, coming from a guy with no radio problems, I wonder if you have the ability to take a radio to another network (work, friend, perfect stranger) set it up, and have them play a mysb.com station and see what happens. I had offered to send a radio I know works to anyone here in the US with issues (for test, not keep :)), but perhaps it's just as easy to test your radio in another location? Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Hello all, I did another test and placed the SBR quite close to the router. Assuming that a strong wifi signal would dominate the competing wifi networks in the neighborhood. But unfortunately there is no difference, after about 20 minutes the SBR lost the wifi signal. What really makes me wonder is the fact that 3 weeks ago I had no problems and suddenly 3 SBR go offline. I think something is wrong with the firmware of the SBR. I set a fixed channel on my router and chose a channel with the least usage. My router uses wifi 4 standard and no changes in network hard and software. Pi4 - Linux 5.13.0-1020-raspi on aarch64 | 8.2.1 - 1644703015 | 5 SB Radios FW 8.0.1-r16867 | 1 SB Receiver | Squeeze Ctrl 2.1.8 doubleugk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36464 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > Well, there goes the rural/urban theory! :) > > I have offered in the past, and am still willing to send a known good > radio (in the US) to a user having a problem to see if my radio behaves > badly in their environment. I am willing to pay postage out, just ask > for post to return, or, send me the troublesome radio to test. > > Jim In my test of an '*ASUS router*' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?114996-ASUS-RT-AX55-Mesh-Router%92s-Compatibility-with-SB-Radios=asus+rt) I found that if Wifi6 is active in the 2.4 GHz band then my Radios would quickly drop the Wi-Fi connection. I can do the test again, because if it is not repeatable then it is conjecture. However, at my home the test would be tainted because interference occurs from somewhere else. I don't know when I will be back to an area with no known interference to do a better test. Does anyone know of a Wifi analyzer than detects the use of the WiFi 6 standard by routers? Or how to tell if Wifi6 is being used by a router? P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Julf wrote: > I think most of us are fine with our radios. I am in a pretty dense > semi-urban environment with lot of electrical noise (everyone seems to > have solar panels), and our 3 Radios work just fine. Well, there goes the rural/urban theory! :) my post was intended to be very tongue in cheek, but there is no doubt something is going on with the radios. You don't see the same chatter here with the touch, boom, pi's, etc. Perhaps that is contributed to by the sheer volume produced? I don't know the sales stat, maybe someone does, but if it is the best selling, I can see why, as you don't need a kit, portability, etc. Maybe it's a defective part in the radio, but it seems like issues are very common all of a sudden which leads to the network hardware changes issue. I have offered in the past, and am still willing to send a known good radio (in the US) to a user having a problem to see if my radio behaves badly in their environment. I am willing to pay postage out, just ask for post to return, or, send me the troublesome radio to test. In the mean time it seems to me like alot of people have found solutions for the stationary radios (no battery, no need to move around). It seems like the holy grail of solutions is to get the radio working with no "help" I also take it that there are no schematics, parts lists, etc remaining from the development? Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > well, that's a pretty negative take...but probably a pretty accurate > summary of the family of radio woes threads. :) > > unfortunately, there seems to be no one size fits all, and no real good > solutions if you want to run untethered (battery), but the range > extender/vonet solution has helped a few that don't mind running then on > adaptor with ethernet plugged into a gizmo (not router). What also has > not been suitably ruled out is the radio hardware itself, an achilleas > heel?, aging?, etc but no one is in a position to quantify. > > Are we reaching the radio apocalypse where all radios have reached their > end of life? Don't know, I have I think 8 of them, red, black and white, > and they all work fine :) But I am very rural, my wifi is the only one > in play. > I think most of us are fine with our radios. I am in a pretty dense semi-urban environment with lot of electrical noise (everyone seems to have solar panels), and our 3 Radios work just fine. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
rogingat wrote: > I have been following this forum and others for months. There are > hundreds of pages of questions and comments on this subject however no > solutions! Yes, I have seen some software patches posted that are > supposed to work. the only problem is most of us are not able to install > this patch. I don't even know where to start! Patch what? Where? How? > And yes. I have seen some comments on changing channel on the router. > Well many of us have routers with LOCKED channel settings. They can't be > changed. > So in conclusion I have a radio that requires a router connection in > order to play music and I can't hold a router connection. Now it is just > a very expensive alarm clock! > > p.s. The funny thing is that every time a new person posts their > connection dropping problem it generates the same 20 pages of dead-end > questions and suggestions! > > Roger Hi Roger, One test if the problem is due to Wifi 6 standard is that the Radio will work reliable on ethernet but is unreliable on Wifi. You will have to manually switch to ethernet connection as it is not automatic. A solution is to bypass the internal wifi on the Radio by using wifi to ethernet bridge. I use a TP-link nano travel router (WR802) in access point mode. Others use a similar device made by Vonets. (The instructions for the Vonets is sparse and I could not get it to work, but others have sucess so it is user error by me.) This should solve the problem if interference is caused by the Wifi 6 standard being used by your or a neighbor's router. The downside of this solution is the Radio becomes less mobile. I solved this by using a '*USB power*' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97791-Squeezebox-Radio-keeps-losing-wireless-connection-and-won-t-reconnect-any-ideas=1037602=#post1037602) brick to power the TP-link router. The wlanpoke script can help, but for me I still have to reboot one of my Radios once a week. The instructions are found on the first post '*here*' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?114775-Simplified-instructions-for-Squeezebox-Radio-Wi-Fi-fix-(wlanpoke)). My understanding is either the wifi chip in the Radio or its firmware has a problem. Since the firmware for the wifi chip is proprietary, there is no way for this community to fix the problem is software related. The Touch and other SB devices use a different Wifi Chip, it those devices do not have this problem. The above condenses my understanding of the issue from readings the forums over the last year, and the solution I used to mitigate the problem. P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
rogingat wrote: > I have been following this forum and others for months. There are > hundreds of pages of questions and comments on this subject however no > solutions! Yes, I have seen some software patches posted that are > supposed to work. the only problem is most of us are not able to install > this patch. I don't even know where to start! Patch what? Where? How? > And yes. I have seen some comments on changing channel on the router. > Well many of us have routers with LOCKED channel settings. They can't be > changed. > So in conclusion I have a radio that requires a router connection in > order to play music and I can't hold a router connection. Now it is just > a very expensive alarm clock! > > p.s. The funny thing is that every time a new person posts their > connection dropping problem it generates the same 20 pages of dead-end > questions and suggestions! > > Roger well, that's a pretty negative take...but probably a pretty accurate summary of the family of radio woes threads. :) unfortunately, there seems to be no one size fits all, and no real good solutions if you want to run untethered (battery), but the range extender/vonet solution has helped a few that don't mind running then on adaptor with ethernet plugged into a gizmo (not router). What also has not been suitably ruled out is the radio hardware itself, an achilleas heel?, aging?, etc but no one is in a position to quantify. Are we reaching the radio apocalypse where all radios have reached their end of life? Don't know, I have I think 8 of them, red, black and white, and they all work fine :) But I am very rural, my wifi is the only one in play. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
rogingat wrote: > I have been following this forum and others for months. There are > hundreds of pages of questions and comments on this subject however no > solutions! Yes, I have seen some software patches posted that are > supposed to work. the only problem is most of us are not able to install > this patch. I don't even know where to start! Patch what? Where? How? > And yes. I have seen some comments on changing channel on the router. > Well many of us have routers with LOCKED channel settings. They can't be > changed. > So in conclusion I have a radio that requires a router connection in > order to play music and I can't hold a router connection. Now it is just > a very expensive alarm clock! > > p.s. The funny thing is that every time a new person posts their > connection dropping problem it generates the same 20 pages of dead-end > questions and suggestions! > > RogerSimplified instructions to install the Wlanpoke patch are here. https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=1026452 Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
rogingat wrote: > I have been following this forum and others for months. There are > hundreds of pages of questions and comments on this subject however no > solutions! Yes, I have seen some software patches posted that are > supposed to work. the only problem is most of us are not able to install > this patch. I don't even know where to start! Patch what? Where? How? > And yes. I have seen some comments on changing channel on the router. > Well many of us have routers with LOCKED channel settings. They can't be > changed. > So in conclusion I have a radio that requires a router connection in > order to play music and I can't hold a router connection. Now it is just > a very expensive alarm clock! > > p.s. The funny thing is that every time a new person posts their > connection dropping problem it generates the same 20 pages of dead-end > questions and suggestions! > > RogerAre you sure your router has a fixed WiFi channel? That would be unusual. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
I have been following this forum and others for months. There are hundreds of pages of questions and comments on this subject however no solutions! Yes, I have seen some software patches posted that are supposed to work. the only problem is most of us are not able to install this patch. I don't even know where to start! Patch what? Where? How? And yes. I have seen some comments on changing channel on the router. Well many of us have routers with LOCKED channel settings. They can't be changed. So in conclusion I have a radio that requires a router connection in order to play music and I can't hold a router connection. Now it is just a very expensive alarm clock! p.s. The funny thing is that every time a new person posts their connection dropping problem it generates the same 20 pages of dead-end questions and suggestions! Roger rogingat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67557 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
Redrum wrote: > wow, good for you! Can you explain a bit? There are a few here that are > floundering around with the same issue (my radios are fine). I did a > google search on port 3483 and most of the results were squeezebox > related? > > I'm very curious as to what is happening...especially having zero > firewall knowledge > > Jim I am running a Linux PC and I am not familiar with other Windows or Mac settings. However in Linux Mint which I use you can open ports 9000 and 3483 in Uncomplicated firewall (UFW). See image +---+ |Filename: Selection_002.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=37554| +---+ Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.1 - 1633378390 @ Mon Oct 4 23:28:51 CEST 2021 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.30.0 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0) One SB Touch connected by Ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers SB Touch connected by Optical to Sabaj A4 amp and Energy bookshelf speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
SlimChances wrote: > My problem was related to incorrect firewall settings. Adding port 3483 > to the firewall corrected the problem wow, good for you! Can you explain a bit? There are a few here that are floundering around with the same issue (my radios are fine). I did a google search on port 3483 and most of the results were squeezebox related? I'm very curious as to what is happening...especially having zero firewall knowledge Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
doubleugk wrote: > Hi same problem here with 3 SBRs. I've tried it with a hotspot network > and after a short time the SBR looses connection, it doesn't matter if > you connect the SBR to a local LMS or to mysqueezebox.com > When wired, everything works fine. I haven't changed any hardware, > software or firmware in my network. > The problem started about two weeks ago. I've spend in total about a day > resolving the problem and I'm very frustrated. > Did you get further insights? My problem was related to incorrect firewall settings. Adding port 3483 to the firewall corrected the problem Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.1 - 1633378390 @ Mon Oct 4 23:28:51 CEST 2021 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.30.0 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0) One SB Touch connected by Ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers SB Touch connected by Optical to Sabaj A4 amp and Energy bookshelf speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
SlimChances wrote: > EDIT: I think this is a different problem. My Radio will play internet > radio streams(so wifi works) but not my local library. Will post in a > separate thread. Hi same problem here with 3 SBRs. I've tried it with a hotspot network and after a short time the SBR looses connection, it doesn't matter if you connect the SBR to a local LMS or to mysqueezebox.com When wired, everything works fine. I haven't changed any hardware, software or firmware in my network. The problem started about two weeks ago. I've spend in total about a day resolving the problem and I'm very frustrated. Did you get further insights? Pi4 - Linux 5.13.0-1020-raspi on aarch64 | 8.2.1 - 1644703015 | 5 SB Radios FW 8.0.1-r16867 | 1 SB Receiver | Squeeze Ctrl 2.1.8 doubleugk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36464 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
I got tired of the problem and just bought a TP-Link AV600 Powerline Ethernet Adapter set from Amazon. One wall-mounted unit is wired at the router location and the other is plugged in and connected to the Squeezebox with an Ethernet cable. For $37, I got rid of wireless. No problems in 6 months. davenva's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34191 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
SlimChances wrote: > EDIT: I think this is a different problem. My Radio will play internet > radio streams(so wifi works) but not my local library. Will post in a > separate thread. A blue wifi icon indicates that the wifi is connected to your AP and has a working network connection. But the Radio has not been able to connect to a server (local LMS or MSB.com). So, yes, this would seem to be a different problem to the problem addressed in this thread. mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
I guess I am joining the chorus of those with Radios that will not connect. Can someone confirm these are the symptoms. Blue wireless light that doesn't change except briefly to red if I reboot. Also if I go to network connections in Settings/Advanced and select the network it appears to connect and then just goes to retry or choose network again (blue wireless light too). The only change in my set up relates to firewall. I turned UFW off and setup a nftables Firewall with these rules for LMS: Code: # Accept LMS on port 9000. tcp dport 9000 counter accept comment "Accept LMS on port 9000" # Accept LMS on port 3483. tcp dport 3483 counter accept comment "Accept LMS on port 3483" And my wireless Touch works fine Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.1 - 1633378390 @ Mon Oct 4 23:28:51 CEST 2021 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.30.0 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0) One SB Touch connected by Ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers SB Touch connected by Optical to Sabaj A4 amp and Energy bookshelf speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
The vonets wifi extender did the trick for me. Make sure you get the blue VAP11G and not the white VAP11N. I went through 2 of the white ones in a matter of months, but the blue VAP11G-300 has been going strong for a year now. I also have a classic and a touch in the house but those don't have any issues with the WIFI although all 3 are no longer detectable from my iOS devices for AirPlay streaming (Polyvection DAC32 running LMS has no issues at all). superstar19's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59363 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] WiFi connection unstable/lost on three Radios
My Radio just got hit by this issue today. I solved it by cutting over to Ethernet -- though I fully realize that is not possible for many/most Radio users. My two Touches have been suffering this issue for about 6 months. The problem is a head scratcher. I moved one Touch to Ethernet and added a Vonets Bridge to my other Touch. (https://forums.slimdevices.com/search.php?searchid=5209254) I think I agree with several members that the problem is related to a "complicated" 802.11/RF environment in 2022 that is not hospitable to these old Squeezebox devices. I think that these ~10-year old units are still the best-of-breed in many ways, but their days using wifi natively may be numbered. JPEG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109953 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
