Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Nick Chalko
Stephen McConnell wrote: Sure - and I think HTTP protocol support is fundamental. With the Avalon stuff we are using HTTP today but we making sure that the repository SPI enables selection of alternative repository protocols so that we put a lot more intelligence into the backend/client relati

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Stephen McConnell
Nick Chalko wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: Anou Manavalan wrote: With no responses supporting this idea, I guess I will put this idea to rest in peace ;-) Searching is certainly on the my agenda. We need it for IDE related development, repository management, and intelligent query based ar

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Nick Chalko
Stephen McConnell wrote: Anou Manavalan wrote: With no responses supporting this idea, I guess I will put this idea to rest in peace ;-) Searching is certainly on the my agenda. We need it for IDE related development, repository management, and intelligent query based artifact aquisition (an

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Stephen McConnell
Anou Manavalan wrote: With no responses supporting this idea, I guess I will put this idea to rest in peace ;-) Searching is certainly on the my agenda. We need it for IDE related development, repository management, and intelligent query based artifact aquisition (and HTTP in this context is

Re: Scope/Phasing

2003-11-07 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 15:38, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:48, Stephen McConnell wrote: Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Three comments (probably all repetitions) : 1) Perl/Python have a package index/identification ap

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Nick Chalko
Anou Manavalan wrote: With repositories growing fast, it needs to be searched and there should be a keyword search that assists faster search ( speaking from the established UDDI Repository and Database point of view ). With no responses supporting this idea, I guess I will put this idea to res

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Anou Manavalan
I concur, it is just shifting the the problem. Is xerces in XML or Web Services or Text Processing or Library or Core or Utility or Base or Transormation or . :-) You ask me, then I would say XML-Parser. I unerstand it is hard to group them into one, but every project focuses on one t

Re: Scope/Phasing

2003-11-07 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 15:38, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > >On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:48, Stephen McConnell wrote: > > > > > >>Adam R. B. Jack wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Three comments (probably all repetitions) : > >>> > >>>1) Perl/Python have a package index/identifica

Re: Scope/Phasing

2003-11-07 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:48, Stephen McConnell wrote: Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Three comments (probably all repetitions) : 1) Perl/Python have a package index/identification approaches. We might want a similar concept, i.e. queriable metadata that associates keywords/con

Road Map

2003-11-07 Thread Nick Chalko
Lets agree on some first steps to take We need to 1. Agree on Repository goals 2. Agree on Repository requirements 3. Agree on URI syntax 4. Recommend best practices for 1. Client Tools 1. Management Tools Then we can encourge / sponsor projects that write code. This assum

Re: Scope/Phasing

2003-11-07 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:48, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Adam R. B. Jack wrote: > > >Three comments (probably all repetitions) : > > > >1) Perl/Python have a package index/identification approaches. We might want > >a similar concept, i.e. queriable metadata that associates keywords/concepts > >wit

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Nick Chalko
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Anou Manavalan wrote: I am not sure if my earlier mail made it to the list, I really want to see a different view of the URI http:project//-[-][.ext] It seems like we are inclining towards the already existing "Maven" kind of URI. It has already proven its existence

Re: Scope/Phasing

2003-11-07 Thread Stephen McConnell
Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Three comments (probably all repetitions) : 1) Perl/Python have a package index/identification approaches. We might want a similar concept, i.e. queriable metadata that associates keywords/concepts with packages/groups/artefacts. These concepts could be language sensitive (s

Scope/Phasing (was Re: Proposals)

2003-11-07 Thread Adam R. B. Jack
Three comments (probably all repetitions) : 1) Perl/Python have a package index/identification approaches. We might want a similar concept, i.e. queriable metadata that associates keywords/concepts with packages/groups/artefacts. These concepts could be language sensitive (so either different, or

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Anou Manavalan wrote: I am not sure if my earlier mail made it to the list, I really want to see a different view of the URI http:project//-[-][.ext] It seems like we are inclining towards the already existing "Maven" kind of URI. It has already proven its existence, instead of repeating the

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Anou Manavalan
I am not sure if my earlier mail made it to the list, I really want to see a different view of the URI http:project//-[-][.ext] It seems like we are inclining towards the already existing "Maven" kind of URI. It has already proven its existence, instead of repeating the same thing, may be w

[Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-07 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
- repository and board are CCed - - please reply to general@incubator.apache.org - There is a discussion going on over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] about the creation of an Apache jar and artifact repository. The discussion is being constructive and is bringing in people from diverse efforts: Maven, Rup

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > not as much bandwidth... So lets design this a bit better then = make sure that it allows for the authoritative source to be on ASF[*] hardware (perhaps with an ASF signed key, sha1 or md5) - but it can be mirrored out through ibiblio, my local disk

Re: Maven Repository @ Apache

2003-11-07 Thread Leo Simons
Joshua Slive wrote: maven.repo.remote = [preferred]/avalon,http://www.ibiblio.org/maven Sorry, I'm not on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Do we have any mirror maintainers on that list?) But I don't believe this is a particularly smart thing to do. hmm. Good point. I've disabled this feature for now. A sh

Re: Ideas

2003-11-07 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/11/2003 12:34:54 AM: Reading Dion's messages I gather that there is no particular will of Maven to participate ATM to an independent "Repo" project with active development as ATM Maven is satisfied of its current implemen

Re: Re: Merging repository discussions

2003-11-07 Thread aok123
> I have been out of commission for the better part of this year but > Plexus was slated to integrate Maven's repositories directly. Of late > I've been discussing this with the Loom folk and ~10 people who have > access to the Plexus-based version of Maven. Yes, I remember checking out maven-new

Repo Goals

2003-11-07 Thread Nick Chalko
Here is the currently listed goals http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=edit&id=ASFRepository Goal: A repository architecture/implmentation for software artifacts (primarily JARs) for streamlining distribution. Corrolary Goal: Removing JARs from CVS. * Open (language independent,

Repo Requirements

2003-11-07 Thread Nick Chalko
here is the goals / requirements currently listed at the wiki. Lets hash through them so we can move forward. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFRepository/Requirements * ASF Repository shall ** only host artifacts approved by a PMC ** be accessible to the public via http ** be m

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Thursday, November 06, 2003 21:51:25 -0500 "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I imagine: .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-src.zip .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-src.tar.gz .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-bin-solaris.tar.gz .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-bin-linux.tar.gz From a strict user-ce

Re: RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 22:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > Well, let's make sure that we get input from the httpd release folks before > > we re-design the layout of the library. I just want to make sure that we > > have a consensus across projects that everyone can live with, not just J

Re: Merging repository discussions

2003-11-07 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 21:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Jason, > > > Just a note to any Maven developers who are interested in discussing the > > format of the future repository layout for Apache are welcome to join in > > at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think we have lots to offer in this area so > > i

Re: Repository Progress/Drive

2003-11-07 Thread dion
"Adam R. B. Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/11/2003 01:13:16 AM: > All, > > As I understand it we have enough apache committers interested in this to > make a viable project. We clearly have gobs of volunteer code, should that > need arise. We have everything but a vehicle for progress. W

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 21:41, Brett Porter wrote: > I imagine: > > .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-src.zip > .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-src.tar.gz > .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-bin-solaris.tar.gz > .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-bin-linux.tar.gz > > So I guess type != ext, which makes sense. It doe

Re: Maven Repository @ Apache

2003-11-07 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 22:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/11/2003 05:36:40 AM: > > > I'm sorry you didn't know about it. Dion is on the list since it started > > > IIRC, I thought that he would have told Mavenites about it. Should have > > checke

Re: Ideas

2003-11-07 Thread dion
Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/11/2003 12:34:54 AM: > Reading Dion's messages I gather that there is no particular will of > Maven to participate ATM to an independent "Repo" project with active > development as ATM Maven is satisfied of its current implementation. In Pleas

Fwd: Re: [part due] What is an ArtifactDatabase?

2003-11-07 Thread aok123
Niclas, Very sound advice and keen observations ... you're right! Time will tell and we need to start making some baby steps in the right direction for now. I think involvement with the Maven people in defining what a repository is for one single Apache repository is most important first.

Re: RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread aok123
> > Well, let's make sure that we get input from the httpd release folks before > we re-design the layout of the library. I just want to make sure that we > have a consensus across projects that everyone can live with, not just Java > projects, and which works for the full spectrum of projects.

Re: Maven Repository @ Apache

2003-11-07 Thread dion
Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/11/2003 05:36:40 AM: > I'm sorry you didn't know about it. Dion is on the list since it started > IIRC, I thought that he would have told Mavenites about it. Should have > checked. I figured if people were interested they were reading the list

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > > > > http:jars/[-][-].ext > > > > Is jars/ to be / for the non-Java crowd? > > > No. In Maven, it's the artifact type, e.g. jar(s), war(s) exe(s). > > How do we address additional portable and native platforms, > > e.g., http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/binaries/? For that > > matter, wh

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Adam R. B. Jack
> I thought we'd been over this one before. We had, but until we finalize decisions in some documented form late comers are going to keep rehashing them. How do we document decisions? Wiki? Web Site? We are waiting on your lead, I believe -- or is that not what you envisioned? regards Adam

Merging repository discussions

2003-11-07 Thread aok123
Hi Jason, > Just a note to any Maven developers who are interested in discussing the > format of the future repository layout for Apache are welcome to join in > at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think we have lots to offer in this area so > if you have some pop into the discussions. Very cool you have good

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Brett Porter
Title: RE: Proposals I imagine: .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-src.zip .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-src.tar.gz .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-bin-solaris.tar.gz .../httpd/dists/httpd-2.0.45-bin-linux.tar.gz So I guess type != ext, which makes sense. I would prefer, for example: .../so/mod_

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > > http:jars/[-][-].ext > > Is jars/ to be / for the non-Java crowd? > No. In Maven, it's the artifact type, e.g. jar(s), war(s) exe(s). How do we address additional portable and native platforms, e.g., http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/binaries/? For that matter, what is the mapping for h

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread dion
No. In Maven, it's the artifact type, e.g. jar(s), war(s) exe(s). I thought we'd been over this one before. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/ Pub Key:http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/public-key.asc "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Nick Chalko
Brett Porter wrote: Maven's is http:s/[-][-]. This seems reasonable to me We need to describe what a "group" is. artifact_types release types and version syntax. (perhaps) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Brett Porter
Title: RE: Proposals Maven's is http:s/[-][-]. Which should cover all platforms (as artifact_type can be dll, jar, maven-plugin, doc, etc). This also means http://repo.apache.org/org.apache.xerces can be the single place to download Xerces in C++, Java, cobol, whatever. I imagined the

Re: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Nick Chalko
Noel J. Bergman wrote: http:jars/[-][-].ext Is jars/ to be / for the non-Java crowd? --- Noel Sounds reasonable. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

RE: Proposals

2003-11-07 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> http:jars/[-][-].ext Is jars/ to be / for the non-Java crowd? --- Noel