Re: [Rosegarden-user] Regression Testing Appreciated

[ram]

Hi all,

With respect to:

> Incidentally I also switched to Pipewire recently so I'm putting that
> into the equation as I'm still understanding some of its intricacies and
> how to best get a workflow out of it :-) - this has nothing to do with
> Rosegarden directly but I guess it's something to keep under the radar
> given most distributions will eventually move (or already have moved) to
> it
>
> Lorenzo
>

Pop!_OS Linux uses Pipewire by default with JACK/ALSA running under that. 
UbuntuStudio might be doing that also.

Rich





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Weird MIDI bug

[ram]

You guys are amazing!  Thanks!


> On 23/09/2023 10:06, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:40:39 +0200
>> Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for the x-posting to rosegarden-devel
>>>
>>> On 23/09/2023 09:08, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
 On 23/09/2023 08:50, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> I Will,
>
> On 22/09/2023 21:35, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> First off I don't know if this is down to Rosegarden or aplaymidi
>>
>> If I set program change to patch number 122 in a Rosegarden track
>> Yoshimi responds to by loading the appropriate patch.
>> If I then export that track as a MIDI file and run that via
>> aplaymidi
>> connected
>> to Yoshimi, it's ignored. Any other patch value works correctly.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
 Now if a 122 (121 counting from 0) program change is present
 rosegarden
 outputs:

 [MidiFile] writeTrack(): Found controller 121.  Skipping.  This is a
 HACK to address BUG #1404.

 This doesn't happen with other program changes... So, this is
 definitely
 a bug of rosegarden confusing a 121 program change for a controller
 change. I'm not sure if someone familiar with this code can look into
 this.
>>>
>>> I think I found the issue. In the file:
>>>
>>> ./src/sound/MidiFile.cpp
>>>
>>> around line 1458 essentially the check is only on the MIDI data
>>> 'catching' anything with a data1 value of 121.
>>>
>>> Changing the condition to this where there is a check that the type of
>>> event is actually a MIDI control change seems to solve the issue:
>>>
>>> if (
>>> midiEvent.getEventCode() == MIDI_CTRL_CHANGE &&
>>> midiEvent.getData1() == MIDI_CONTROLLER_RESET
>>> ) ...
>>>
>>> At the moment I don't have time to open a bug report and submit the
>>> change in a fork (this is really painful with sourceforge)... I can do
>>> it in the next days.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Lorenzo
>>
>> Good sleuthing!
>>
>> I haven't got time to do anything to help myself. I'm trying to get
>> Yoshimi
>> V2.3.1 out before Sonoj, and it's being 'difficult' - especially the
>> documentation :(
>>
>
> OK I think it's fixed with the merge request linked here:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1663/
>
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Done with Rosegarden

[ram]

Hi Lorenzo et. al.,

Almost exclusively the notation editor with plenty of rulers and controllers.

Regards,

Rich



> On 17/07/2023 07:21, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> What I was working on using primarily Rosegarden is now up for your
>> downloading pleasure:
>>
>> https://www.hydrophones.com/public/Symphonic_Etude_1__Heroic_Fools.ogg
>
> Well done!
>
>>
>> Demonstrates Rosegarden is good for large scale symphonic works.
>
> Indeed. Did you use mostly the notation editor for this? I'm curious :-)
>
> Lorenzo
>
>>
>> Thanks again for all your help!
>>
>> Rich
>> r...@hydrophones.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Rosegarden-user] Done with Rosegarden

[ram]

Hi guys,

What I was working on using primarily Rosegarden is now up for your
downloading pleasure:

https://www.hydrophones.com/public/Symphonic_Etude_1__Heroic_Fools.ogg

Demonstrates Rosegarden is good for large scale symphonic works.

Thanks again for all your help!

Rich
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

[ram]

Hi All

On another system running Pop!_OS 22.04 LTS Linux, QjackCtl version 0.9.6,
the SAME version of Rosegarden (Version 23.06 "Flutterbye", Build Key
13280f9033,Qt Version 5.15.9) runs fine and does record.

So the problem was definitely in the older version of Pop!_OS Linux and
not Rosegarden.

By the way I bypassed the problem successfully by using NetJack to pipe
the audio out and record on another machine using Audacity.

Thank you all for your assistance.  I'll post the URL of the piece I was
working on for your downloading pleasure.  It is a substantial orchestral
work, which is a big credit to Rosegarden.

Best regards,

Rich
r...@hydrophones.com



> Hi Ted,
>
> As requested:
>
> Rosegarden 20.06 - AlsaDriver [ALSA library version 1.2.2, module version
> 5.11.0-7620-generic, kernel version 5.11.0-7620-generic]
>
> ===
> JackDriver::initialise() begin...
> JACK sample rate = 88200Hz, buffer size = 2048
> Creating audio file thread...
> Found 1 JACK physical outputs
> connecting from "rosegarden:master out L" to "a2j:Midi Through [14]
> (playback): Midi Through Port-0"
> WARNING: cannot connect to JACK output port
>
>   ALSA Client information:
>
> 14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0)
> (DUPLEX) [ctype 2, ptype
> 655362, cap 99]
> 128,0 - (FLUID Synth (47987), Synth input port (47987:0)) (WRITE
> ONLY) [ctype 1, ptype 1310726, cap 66]
>
> Using low-resolution system timer, sending a warning
> Current timer set to "system timer"
> WARNING: using system timer with only 250Hz resolution!
> AlsaDriver::initialiseMidi -  initialised MIDI subsystem
>
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "" requested for
> device 0
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: fuzzy match 128:0 Synth input port
> (47987:0) (write) available with fitness 1
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "" requested for
> device 1
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: nothing suitable available
>
>   ALSA Client information:
>
> 14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0)
> (DUPLEX) [ctype 2, ptype
> 655362, cap 99]
> 128,0 - (FLUID Synth (47987), Synth input port (47987:0)) (WRITE
> ONLY) [ctype 1, ptype 1310726, cap 66]
>
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "20:0 UMC1820 MIDI 1
> (duplex)" requested for device 0
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: nothing suitable available
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "20:0 UMC1820 MIDI 1
> (duplex)" requested for device 1
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: nothing suitable available
>
>   ALSA Client information:
>
> 14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0)
> (DUPLEX) [ctype 2, ptype
> 655362, cap 99]
> 128,0 - (FLUID Synth (47987), Synth input port (47987:0)) (WRITE
> ONLY) [ctype 1, ptype 1310726, cap 66]
>
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "" requested for
> device 0
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: fuzzy match 128:0 Synth input port
> (47987:0) (write) available with fitness 1
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "" requested for
> device 1
> AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: nothing suitable available
>
>   ALSA Client information:
>
> 14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0)
> (DUPLEX) [ctype 2, ptype
> 655362, cap 99]
> 128,0 - (FLUID Synth (47987), Synth input port (47987:0)) (WRITE
> ONLY) [ctype 1, ptype 1310726, cap 66]
>
> Using low-resolution system timer, sending a warning
> Current timer set to "system timer"
> WARNING: using system timer with only 250Hz resolution!
> Using low-resolution system timer, sending a warning
> Current timer set to "system timer"
> WARNING: using system timer with only 250Hz resolution!
> Using low-resolution system timer, sending a warning
> Current timer set to "system timer"
> WARNING: using system timer with only 250Hz resolution!
>
>
>
>>For troubleshooting JACK issues, there is a log viewer in
>> preferences.  Go to Edit > Preferences... > Details...
>>
>>That will display the log viewer.  See if there's anything
>> interesting there.  If needed, copy and paste and email it to the list
>> and we'll look further.
>>
>> Ted.
>>
>> On 7/15/23 12:25 AM, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I'm getting the following error message when I try to activate
>>> recording
>>> on an audio track:
>>>
>>> "audio subsystem not available - can't record audio"
>>>
>>> in a window that has the header:
>>>
>>> Rosegarden (as superuser)
>>>
>>> This is happening with Rosegarden Version 23.06 "Flutterbye"
>>> Build Key 13280f9033
>>> Qt Version 5.15.9
>>>
>>> Running under Pop!_OS 20.10 Linux with
>>> QjackCtl Version 0.5.0
>>> Qsynth Version 0.6.3
>>> Using FluidSynth 2.1.3
>>>
>>> QjackCtl and Qsynth are working and sound fine.  Qsynth's audio outputs
>>> show up on 

Re: [Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

[ram]

Hi Ted,

As requested:

Rosegarden 20.06 - AlsaDriver [ALSA library version 1.2.2, module version
5.11.0-7620-generic, kernel version 5.11.0-7620-generic]

===
JackDriver::initialise() begin...
JACK sample rate = 88200Hz, buffer size = 2048
Creating audio file thread...
Found 1 JACK physical outputs
connecting from "rosegarden:master out L" to "a2j:Midi Through [14]
(playback): Midi Through Port-0"
WARNING: cannot connect to JACK output port

  ALSA Client information:

14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0)  (DUPLEX) [ctype 
2, ptype
655362, cap 99]
128,0 - (FLUID Synth (47987), Synth input port (47987:0))   (WRITE
ONLY) [ctype 1, ptype 1310726, cap 66]

Using low-resolution system timer, sending a warning
Current timer set to "system timer"
WARNING: using system timer with only 250Hz resolution!
AlsaDriver::initialiseMidi -  initialised MIDI subsystem

AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "" requested for device 0
AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: fuzzy match 128:0 Synth input port
(47987:0) (write) available with fitness 1
AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "" requested for device 1
AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: nothing suitable available

  ALSA Client information:

14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0)  (DUPLEX) [ctype 
2, ptype
655362, cap 99]
128,0 - (FLUID Synth (47987), Synth input port (47987:0))   (WRITE
ONLY) [ctype 1, ptype 1310726, cap 66]

AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "20:0 UMC1820 MIDI 1
(duplex)" requested for device 0
AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: nothing suitable available
AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "20:0 UMC1820 MIDI 1
(duplex)" requested for device 1
AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: nothing suitable available

  ALSA Client information:

14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0)  (DUPLEX) [ctype 
2, ptype
655362, cap 99]
128,0 - (FLUID Synth (47987), Synth input port (47987:0))   (WRITE
ONLY) [ctype 1, ptype 1310726, cap 66]

AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "" requested for device 0
AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: fuzzy match 128:0 Synth input port
(47987:0) (write) available with fitness 1
AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: connection like "" requested for device 1
AlsaDriver::setPlausibleConnection: nothing suitable available

  ALSA Client information:

14,0 - (Midi Through, Midi Through Port-0)  (DUPLEX) [ctype 
2, ptype
655362, cap 99]
128,0 - (FLUID Synth (47987), Synth input port (47987:0))   (WRITE
ONLY) [ctype 1, ptype 1310726, cap 66]

Using low-resolution system timer, sending a warning
Current timer set to "system timer"
WARNING: using system timer with only 250Hz resolution!
Using low-resolution system timer, sending a warning
Current timer set to "system timer"
WARNING: using system timer with only 250Hz resolution!
Using low-resolution system timer, sending a warning
Current timer set to "system timer"
WARNING: using system timer with only 250Hz resolution!



>For troubleshooting JACK issues, there is a log viewer in
> preferences.  Go to Edit > Preferences... > Details...
>
>That will display the log viewer.  See if there's anything
> interesting there.  If needed, copy and paste and email it to the list
> and we'll look further.
>
> Ted.
>
> On 7/15/23 12:25 AM, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm getting the following error message when I try to activate recording
>> on an audio track:
>>
>> "audio subsystem not available - can't record audio"
>>
>> in a window that has the header:
>>
>> Rosegarden (as superuser)
>>
>> This is happening with Rosegarden Version 23.06 "Flutterbye"
>> Build Key 13280f9033
>> Qt Version 5.15.9
>>
>> Running under Pop!_OS 20.10 Linux with
>> QjackCtl Version 0.5.0
>> Qsynth Version 0.6.3
>> Using FluidSynth 2.1.3
>>
>> QjackCtl and Qsynth are working and sound fine.  Qsynth's audio outputs
>> show up on QjackCtl's patchbay but no audio inputs to Rosegarden appear.
>> All the MIDI ins and outs seem to be working fine.
>>
>> The "self-recording" feature of Rosegarden used to work.  Is this a bug?
>> Is there a workaround?  I used to use it to record (with perfect
>> synchronization) track by track, and sometimes double track, various
>> patches and synths.
>>
>> Thanks for all you do, and in advance,
>>
>> r...@hydrophones.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

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> Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:38:51 -
> r...@hydrophones.com :
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In further bizarre behavior, if I type the command rosegarden in a
>> terminal, rosegarden comes up but NOT in superuser mode, if I then
>> import
>> a rg file, it seems to come up normally which contrasts that if I mouse
>> click on an rg file it brings up rosegarden in superuser mode!
>>
>> In any event, in either mode I get the message "audio subsystem not
>> available - can't record audio" from Rosegarden.
>>
>> However, I can record into Audacity, but then how do I synchronize it if
>> I
>> do several tracks at different times, i.e. not everything in one go?
>>
>> Thanks again for looking into this,
>
> Somewhat OT... I've been finding direct audio recording into RG
> 'irregularly successful' so I have drifted to using jack_capture, but that
> also requires track alignement in any subsequent remix. And how do you
> record into Audacity BTW, never tried THAT one yet?
>

Recording into Audacity on the same machine doesn't work too well, it gets
dropouts.  Next I'll try recording on another machine using netjack.

>
> Finally about that superuser thing, that icon-clicking rang a bell here,
> does the icon execution begin with 'sudo' or such?
>

No. Just clicking on a .rg file to bring up Rosegarden has it come up in
superuser mode.  But typing rosegarden in a terminal it comes up
"normally" (except the internal audio recording doesn't work)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

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> On 7/14/23 18:25, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm getting the following error message when I try to activate recording
>> on an audio track:
>>
>> "audio subsystem not available - can't record audio"
>>
>> in a window that has the header:
>>
>> Rosegarden (as superuser)
>>
>> This is happening with Rosegarden Version 23.06 "Flutterbye"
>> Build Key 13280f9033
>> Qt Version 5.15.9
>>
>> Running under Pop!_OS 20.10 Linux with
>> QjackCtl Version 0.5.0
>> Qsynth Version 0.6.3
>> Using FluidSynth 2.1.3
>>
>> QjackCtl and Qsynth are working and sound fine.  Qsynth's audio outputs
>> show up on QjackCtl's patchbay but no audio inputs to Rosegarden appear.
>> All the MIDI ins and outs seem to be working fine.
>>
>> The "self-recording" feature of Rosegarden used to work.  Is this a bug?
>> Is there a workaround?  I used to use it to record (with perfect
>> synchronization) track by track, and sometimes double track, various
>> patches and synths.
>>
>> Thanks for all you do, and in advance,
>>
>> r...@hydrophones.com
>>
> Hmm, my understanding is that the general recommendation is that
> Rosegarden (and other audio applications) *should not be run as
> superuser*. In other words, create an ordinary user login and use that.
>
> In general, running as superuser is a great big security hole...
>
> --
> David W. Jones
> gn...@hawaii.rr.com
> authenticity, honesty, community
> http://dancingtreefrog.com
> "My password is the last 8 digits of π."
>

Hi all,

In further bizarre behavior, if I type the command rosegarden in a
terminal, rosegarden comes up but NOT in superuser mode, if I then import
a rg file, it seems to come up normally which contrasts that if I mouse
click on an rg file it brings up rosegarden in superuser mode!

In any event, in either mode I get the message "audio subsystem not
available - can't record audio" from Rosegarden.

However, I can record into Audacity, but then how do I synchronize it if I
do several tracks at different times, i.e. not everything in one go?

Thanks again for looking into this,

r...@hydrophones.com





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

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> On 7/14/23 18:25, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm getting the following error message when I try to activate recording
>> on an audio track:
>>
>> "audio subsystem not available - can't record audio"
>>
>> in a window that has the header:
>>
>> Rosegarden (as superuser)
>>
>> This is happening with Rosegarden Version 23.06 "Flutterbye"
>> Build Key 13280f9033
>> Qt Version 5.15.9
>>
>> Running under Pop!_OS 20.10 Linux with
>> QjackCtl Version 0.5.0
>> Qsynth Version 0.6.3
>> Using FluidSynth 2.1.3
>>
>> QjackCtl and Qsynth are working and sound fine.  Qsynth's audio outputs
>> show up on QjackCtl's patchbay but no audio inputs to Rosegarden appear.
>> All the MIDI ins and outs seem to be working fine.
>>
>> The "self-recording" feature of Rosegarden used to work.  Is this a bug?
>> Is there a workaround?  I used to use it to record (with perfect
>> synchronization) track by track, and sometimes double track, various
>> patches and synths.
>>
>> Thanks for all you do, and in advance,
>>
>> r...@hydrophones.com
>>
> Hmm, my understanding is that the general recommendation is that
> Rosegarden (and other audio applications) *should not be run as
> superuser*. In other words, create an ordinary user login and use that.
>
> In general, running as superuser is a great big security hole...
>
> --
> David W. Jones
> gn...@hawaii.rr.com
> authenticity, honesty, community
> http://dancingtreefrog.com
> "My password is the last 8 digits of π."
>

That is the funny thing, I am logged in as an ordinary user.  I have no
idea how the superuser designation got in there.  Fortunately that machine
is not regularly connected to the internet.




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[Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

[ram]

Hi guys,

I'm getting the following error message when I try to activate recording
on an audio track:

"audio subsystem not available - can't record audio"

in a window that has the header:

Rosegarden (as superuser)

This is happening with Rosegarden Version 23.06 "Flutterbye"
Build Key 13280f9033
Qt Version 5.15.9

Running under Pop!_OS 20.10 Linux with
QjackCtl Version 0.5.0
Qsynth Version 0.6.3
Using FluidSynth 2.1.3

QjackCtl and Qsynth are working and sound fine.  Qsynth's audio outputs
show up on QjackCtl's patchbay but no audio inputs to Rosegarden appear. 
All the MIDI ins and outs seem to be working fine.

The "self-recording" feature of Rosegarden used to work.  Is this a bug? 
Is there a workaround?  I used to use it to record (with perfect
synchronization) track by track, and sometimes double track, various
patches and synths.

Thanks for all you do, and in advance,

r...@hydrophones.com




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio score creation

[ram]

> Hello I am looking for linux software that can take an audio track and
> convert it to sheet music. Does Rosegarden allow this?
>

Your best bet is to use SonicVisualiser (which is also available as an
easy to use AppImage so you can avoid dependency hell) to generate MIDI
from the audio.  RoseGarden can then be used to edit the MIDI and convert
it into a score.

Depending on the audio, you may have to tweak some of the SonicVisualizer
parameters a bit to get acceptable results.  Any remaining fixes can
pretty easily be done in RoseGarden.

Let us know how it works out for you.

Stay safe, and regards,

Rich
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound

[ram]

Hi all,

This whole packaging and dependency thing is why I suggested that
RoseGarden also be made available as an AppImage.  Even for experienced
Linux music users and developers getting the most recent versions of
RoseGarden to "work" leads to dependency hell.  Try to compile it on a
somewhat older version of Linux (necessary because of legacy hardware and
other necessary software) and it truly becomes a total nightmare.  So
hard, that I'm just using older versions of RoseGarden.

Other major Linux audio and video creation software projects such as LMMS,
SonicVisualiser, SonicLineup, and Shotcut are already doing this.  Some of
these, such as the Sonic.. series have developers in common with
RoseGarden, so the skill set exists among core developers.

Do I have to offer a bounty on this?

Stay safe all.

Rich


> On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:19:58 -1000
> david  wrote:
>
>> On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
>> > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100
>> > Tom Peters  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo:
>> >> thank you very much for your input.
>> >> Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now in
>> the
>> >> 22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer application:
>> >> 1) that the package management system like apt is configured that an
>> >> application will get all its dependencies so that it will actually
>> work;
>> >> 2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so that
>> it
>> >> actually works out of the box.
>> > agreed
>> >
>> > I sympathize with the devs who want to
>> > just improve the product that is but its
>> > extremely frustrating to have to hunt for
>> > basics. Let's not forget that a user may
>> > well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux.
>> > Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to
>> > throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should
>> > kinda come before nuclear sails or mars
>> > landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire
>> > SOME minimal sound ability if only to show
>> > that the right software is being tried?
>> > Other apps can do it, at least at some
>> > rudimentary level at first.
>>
>> So far, PulseAudio seems to have basic sound sorted out upon
>> installation - if you only have one audio device and want to use it for
>> everything.
>>
>> Package management systems depend on humans to specify what to include
>> in or require for a package. The package maintainers decide how heavy or
>> light they want their package to be. Say your package wants MIDI output.
>> Does it require a particular MIDI output application like Timidity,
>> Fluidsynth, Qsynth, etc? Do you make that application a requirement for
>> someone that already has another MIDI output set up on their system? Do
>> you make it optional so someone that installs just the application has
>> no MIDI output after installation and has to install/configure yet
>> another application?
>>
>> Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else might
>> consider a headache or bloatware? On all my systems, PulseAudio my
>> systems defaulted to one form or another of on-board audio - either the
>> built-in hardware connected to laptop speakers/headphone jack, or HDMI. 
>> The PA default was useless on one system, a headache to deal with on my
>> main laptop, and suitable only on the netbook. None of my HDMI monitors
>> include speakers, so no sound output.
>>
>> Doing pro audio/MIDI is not in the same league as just playing MP3s or
>> Youtube videos. I read about some of the MIDI setups people on the list
>> have - multiple hardware synths, external keyboards, multichannel sound
>> cards, softsynths running on multiple machines, etc. Seems to me like
>> there's *no* "sensible default" that would apply to every situation.
>>
>> I remember discussion years back in the RG world: should RG require
>> Lilypond for printing scores.
>>
>> I have a friend, singer/songwriter, that's exclusively used Windows
>> audio systems setup by professional techs. It seems to me that not even
>> Windows has it sorted out if you need a professional to set up your
>> Windows audio system!
>
>
> Ok, I guess I wrote something that asks for it,
> should have written
>
> "I wanna stress that I'm _NOT_ trying to throw pebbles" :)
>
> If it were MY watch I'd make it make a sound,
> however unsophisticated, until the user can
> sort things out.
>
>
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A small request

[ram]

That would be a nice feature.  I too have fond memories of OS/2 Warp. 
Matter of fact, I still have an IBM 765D Laptop running it in my studio. 
These days it is only used as a MIDI filter to talk to legacy analog
hardware.


> Hmm, useful if not set to remove references automatically.
>
> More useful: Show me which ones have been moved, let me right-click it,
> then give me the option to remove the orphaned reference or change the
> location by navigating to the new target.
>
> The ability to do this may be dependent on the user's desktop enviroment.
> When I used OS/2 Warp ages ago, IBM'S Workplace Shell automatically
> updated the target of any link/shortcut whenever you moved the target
> file. I don't think any Linux desktop environment does that. Neither does
> Windows. Don't know about the Mac UI.
>
>
> On January 22, 2021 10:48:52 AM HST, Will Godfrey
>  wrote:
>> When Rosegarden scans the 'recent' list, can it please check the
>> existence of a
>> file, and if it's not there remove it from its list?
>>
>> I frequently start projects in a development directory, and when
>> complete move
>> them into a 'done' one, which leaves these orphan references behind.
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.musically.me.uk
>> http://yoshimi.github.io
>> Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
>> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
>>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED

[ram]

Seems to me, that once one has a running executable, getting an AppImage
is straightforward:

https://appimage.org/


>
> For those that like AppImages, SNAPS, flatpacks and other such wasteful
> (IMHO) things:  have fun with them.
>
> I've been unable to make them reliably work on my Debian system and don't
> see any value I  trying to make them work. I would much rather have
> developers put their time into developing RG and provide proven packages
> like DEB (covers all Debian derivatives) and RPM. I think RG is only
> distributed as source right now, right?
>
> I've been able to compile RG, including dev snapshots without problems.
> Sorting out dependencies was a one-time thing for me. I don't think RG's
> dependencies change very often.
>
> Perhaps the "dependency hell" was more due to dated documentation on the
> RG website about dependencies and compiling?
>
> On December 9, 2020 1:52:57 PM HST, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks to the whole team for your continuing efforts to improve
>> Rosegarden.
>>
>> One thing, however, I would like to see happen: the release of
>> Rosegarden
>> as an AppImage so users with work machines not connected to the
>> Internet
>> and perhaps not as up to date as developer machines, can run the
>> latest
>> Rosegarden.  The last few times I tried compiling from source I
>> rapidly
>> found myself in "dependency hell". Some other large Linux audio
>> applications such as LMMS are already making an AppImage available
>> with
>> their most recent releases.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Stay safe all,
>>
>> Rich Marschall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version
>> 20.12
>> > of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding
>> of
>> > music notation along with basic support for digital audio.
>> >
>> >http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
>> >
>> > Included in this release...
>> >
>> > = Bug Fixes =
>> >
>> >* Fix QPainterPath compilation error (r15845)
>> >* Fixed several SysEx-related bugs in the Event editor (r15853)
>> >  * SysEx load now remembers the last used path.
>> >  * SysEx load now strips the F0/F7 bytes from the file when
>> reading.
>> >  * SysEx save now remembers the last used path.
>> >  * SysEx save now fills in the FileDialog fields correctly.
>> >  * SysEx save now adds the F0/F7 bytes to the data before
>> saving.
>> >* Event Editor: Fix garbage on SysEx load error (r15855)
>> >* Event Parameter Dialog: Fix incorrect window title (r15857)
>> >* Fix length of notes added in percussion matrix (r15870)
>> >* Fix compilation error with Qt < 5.8 (r15872, r15896, others)
>> >* Fix issues with ALSA port name matching at file load (r15875,
>> >  r15879, r15893-r15895, r15906, r15909)
>> >* Fix "&" in device name renders file unreadable.  Bug #1586.
>> (r15886)
>> >* Matrix editor: Fix control rulers not appearing.  Bug #1543.
>> >  (r15887)
>> >* Event editor: Fix crashes when editing (r15899, r15902, r15903)
>> >* Reduce connection check interval to 1 second (r15912)
>> >* Fix external controller port not working (r15915, r15916,
>> r15919,
>> >  r15927, r15929)
>> >* Fix ALSA timer selection persistence (r15936)
>> >* Fix disabled button text color (r15938)
>> >* Fix plugins not found (r15947)
>> >* Send proper CCs out the external controller port for motorized
>> >  control surfaces.  Bug #1587. (r15952, r15954)
>> >* Fix unwanted CCs going out with old files.  Feature #482.
>> (r15961)
>> >* Fix slow load time with many segments.  Bug #1589.  (r16026)
>> >
>> > = New Features =
>> >
>> >* Enable/Disable external controller port in the preferences
>> (r15932,
>> >  r15946, others)
>> >* Transport buttons (play, stop, etc...) on MIDI controllers are
>> now
>> >  supported so long as they use Pro Tools standard CCs (110-118).
>> >  Feature #423.  (r15962-r15964)
>> >* Korg nanoKONTROL2 support (r15994-r16013, r16015, r16016,
>> r16021)
>> >
>> > = Significant Code Cleanups =
>> >
>> >* Icon Loader (r15862-r15865, r15868)
>> >* New ExternalController class (r15922)
>> >* Preferences dialog (r15939-r15944)
>> >* ALSA MIDI interface (r15975-r15993)
>> >
>> > = Additional Contributors =
>> >
>> >* Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation
>> >* Hugo van Galen - Help with bug #1586 and #1543.
>> >* Piotr Golonka - Roland-Fantom-678.rgd
>> >* Arthur Baran - Casio-PX-5S.rgd
>> >
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED

[ram]

Hi all,

Thanks to the whole team for your continuing efforts to improve Rosegarden.

One thing, however, I would like to see happen: the release of Rosegarden
as an AppImage so users with work machines not connected to the Internet
and perhaps not as up to date as developer machines, can run the latest
Rosegarden.  The last few times I tried compiling from source I rapidly
found myself in "dependency hell". Some other large Linux audio
applications such as LMMS are already making an AppImage available with
their most recent releases.

Thanks again,

Stay safe all,

Rich Marschall




> The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 20.12
> of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of
> music notation along with basic support for digital audio.
>
>http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
>
> Included in this release...
>
> = Bug Fixes =
>
>* Fix QPainterPath compilation error (r15845)
>* Fixed several SysEx-related bugs in the Event editor (r15853)
>  * SysEx load now remembers the last used path.
>  * SysEx load now strips the F0/F7 bytes from the file when reading.
>  * SysEx save now remembers the last used path.
>  * SysEx save now fills in the FileDialog fields correctly.
>  * SysEx save now adds the F0/F7 bytes to the data before saving.
>* Event Editor: Fix garbage on SysEx load error (r15855)
>* Event Parameter Dialog: Fix incorrect window title (r15857)
>* Fix length of notes added in percussion matrix (r15870)
>* Fix compilation error with Qt < 5.8 (r15872, r15896, others)
>* Fix issues with ALSA port name matching at file load (r15875,
>  r15879, r15893-r15895, r15906, r15909)
>* Fix "&" in device name renders file unreadable.  Bug #1586. (r15886)
>* Matrix editor: Fix control rulers not appearing.  Bug #1543.
>  (r15887)
>* Event editor: Fix crashes when editing (r15899, r15902, r15903)
>* Reduce connection check interval to 1 second (r15912)
>* Fix external controller port not working (r15915, r15916, r15919,
>  r15927, r15929)
>* Fix ALSA timer selection persistence (r15936)
>* Fix disabled button text color (r15938)
>* Fix plugins not found (r15947)
>* Send proper CCs out the external controller port for motorized
>  control surfaces.  Bug #1587. (r15952, r15954)
>* Fix unwanted CCs going out with old files.  Feature #482.  (r15961)
>* Fix slow load time with many segments.  Bug #1589.  (r16026)
>
> = New Features =
>
>* Enable/Disable external controller port in the preferences (r15932,
>  r15946, others)
>* Transport buttons (play, stop, etc...) on MIDI controllers are now
>  supported so long as they use Pro Tools standard CCs (110-118).
>  Feature #423.  (r15962-r15964)
>* Korg nanoKONTROL2 support (r15994-r16013, r16015, r16016, r16021)
>
> = Significant Code Cleanups =
>
>* Icon Loader (r15862-r15865, r15868)
>* New ExternalController class (r15922)
>* Preferences dialog (r15939-r15944)
>* ALSA MIDI interface (r15975-r15993)
>
> = Additional Contributors =
>
>* Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation
>* Hugo van Galen - Help with bug #1586 and #1543.
>* Piotr Golonka - Roland-Fantom-678.rgd
>* Arthur Baran - Casio-PX-5S.rgd
>
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[Rosegarden-user] [Fwd: Re: How long have you been using Rosegarden?]

[ram]

Since Studio to Go 1.5 at least, maybe a bit longer, which is close to the
very beginning.  I mostly use it to create MIDI inputs to legacy analog
synthesizers, some standalone (now classic) digital/analog hybrid
synthesizers, and, of course, quite a range of Linux soft synthesizers.

I use the recording feature to record one track at a time.  Mixing and
effects I do in Audacity.  At least that is the usual work flow.

Plenty examples from over the years can be found at:

https://www.hydrophones.com/public

note that

https://www.hydrophones.com/public/Sydney-2019-Climate-Crises-Protest-h264-7p1aac.mp4

is in full 7.1 surround sound.

Most of the soundtracks on the:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH44AXOYIeHxy1RStSsGl4A

and on

http://www.finevenuemusic.com/

also used Rosegarden in their creation.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crucial: Help needed with Rosegarden Crashing:

[ram]

Hi guys,

I totally agree with what Mr. Jones has said.  It works for me too.  Been
doing that since early days decades ago.

Stay safe all.

Best regards,

Rich



>
>
> Hey, Michael! Long time no hear but yeah 80 hour weeks are killers...
>
> Ideas for our original poster to possibly produce an alternative 'backup'
> recording.
>
> If recording audio, start a jack_record command line session with the
> "-jt" option. When you start Rosegarden recording, jack_record will also
> be recording the audio.
>
> If recording MIDI, have an amidi command line session running with the
> "-r" option followed by a filename? That will record a file containing
> same midi events as Rosegarden.
>
> If Rosegarden crashes, it won't affect what those have recorded unless it
> takes down the whole computer.
>
> On August 10, 2020 6:05:22 PM HST, "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote:
>>On 8/10/20 8:37 PM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
>>
>>> Rosegarden crashes deleting my recording in the process.
>>>
>>> This is painful. Those ideas wont come around again. Lost forever.
>>
>>I very definitely feel your pain here. It happened to me more times
>>than
>>I want to remember. So much creativity right out the window. One of the
>>most frustrating things we used to have was this stupid composition of
>>preset length. You're playing along, in the pocket, really coming up
>>with great ideas, and then WHAM, it just stops recording! I got that to
>>go away a long time ago, but the memories of all those notes still
>>linger.
>>
>>Anyway, for the most part, Rosegarden is vastly more stable than it
>>used
>>to be. Thanks in great measure to Ted Felix coming along, and making
>>diligent and methodical efforts to improve this sort of thing. He was
>>generally very successful, but I guess we've experienced some kind of
>>regression.
>>
>>All you can really do is start using a debug build from an environment
>>that allows core dumps.
>>
>>The usual thing is to start running from development source, from a
>>debug environment. It's not absolutely necessary to run from
>>development
>>source, but it will help you in the long run. If the crash is
>>repeatable
>>(we hope it is!) and somebody (Ted Felix most likely) fixes it, then
>>you will want to be in a position to test the result.
>>
>>Here are the instructions from the wiki:
>>
>>How to get devel source:
>>https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/development_from_svn
>>
>>How to get a stack trace for a crash
>>
>>First, make sure you are running a version of rosegarden that was built
>>
>>with debugging turned on.
>>
>>-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
>>
>>Without debugging, there will be no symbols in the binary, and the
>>backtrace will be useless. You'll likely need to build rosegarden on
>>your own to get a debug version. Instructions can be found here: Using
>>the Eclipse IDE to work on Rosegarden
>>
>>Open a terminal window, and check to ensure that applications will be
>>able to produce core dumps. The exact command and syntax may vary from
>>shell to shell, but for bash it is ulimit -a:
>>
>>$ ulimit -a
>>core file size  (blocks, -c) 0
>>data seg size   (kbytes, -d) unlimited
>>scheduling priority (-e) 20
>>...
>>
>>The above example is quite typical for an end-user desktop system.
>>Having the “core file size” set to 0 prevents the creation of very
>>large
>>core dump files in unexpected places, and is generally a good thing.
>>However, this also prevents you from generating a stack trace. You need
>>
>>to change the limit to something larger than 0, but many systems
>>prevent
>>you from setting this to unlimited, so we suggest
>>
>>$ ulimit -c 100
>>
>>Now start a debug version of rosegarden from the command line, and
>>reproduce the crash. You should now have a core file in your current
>>directory. The core file is either named core or core..
>>
>>Run gdb:
>>
>>$ gdb rosegarden 
>>
>>Then once you get the gdb prompt, use the command 'bt' to get the stack
>>
>>trace, and mail it to the authors or to the Rosegarden development
>>mailing list, or include it in a bug report.
>>
>>
>>Anyway, I hope this helps. I haven't been involved with development for
>>
>>quite a number of years now, and I'm semi-retired. I still monitor
>>things, and still care. It's just my life went in a different
>>direction,
>>I guess. Especially in terms of working hours. When I was most
>>passionate about Rosegarden, and most active, I had the luxury of
>>making
>>a decent living working only 45 hours per week. Now it's closer to 80
>>with my commute.
>>
>>Anyhoo brother, if I could turn back the hands of time and save your
>>ideas from getting obliterated, I would. I really hate it for you. So
>>much so that you inspired me to write the longest message I've posted
>>in
>>probably going on 10 years.
>>
>>--
>>D. Michael McIntyre
>>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon

[ram]

I like option 1 best.  If the stem was bent differently then it could look
like clef, which would then suggest music.

Stay safe, and best regards,

Rich




> On 5/22/20 3:02 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
>> Just posted some new ideas for the rosegarden app icon on the wiki.
Head over to the logo page and have a look at the pdf at the top. 
Then let me know what you think.  We can discuss here on the list or
send me an email directly if you prefer a silent ballot.
>>
>>   https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo
>>
>> Ted.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> Opinions by option number:
>
>  1. I like this. Clearly a rose, with the stem curling around. Doesn't
> say anything about music, though. I like #5 better.
>  2. Looks OK. The square frame looks like a frame rather than a rose
> stem, if it's intended to look like a rose stem.
>  3. Looks like 3 tulips to me, not roses. So far, I prefer the
> single-rose designs. With or without a solid background.
>  4. NO, just no. Not roses, looks like bars or some completely-different
> flower.
>  5. Interesting! Kind of an abstracted or deconstructed rose that I
> recognized right off. Adding the piano keys shows that it's a music
program. I like this one best so far.
>  6. NO, no, no. Yuck. Not even close to a rose, nothing about music in
it. 7. Abstracted geometric rose that seems to me to be more of a Star
of
> David. Doesn't say "rose" or Rosegarden to me.
>  8. Even more abstracted "rose" that doesn't communicate rose,
> Rosegarden, or music to me.
>  9. Cute, but just, no. A couple of rosebuds, has music notes, but the
> music notes don't look particularly good to me.
>
> I like #5 so much I just might screen grab it and use it for my
> Rosegarden icon here. Are the source files (preferably SVG) available?
>
> PS: You're the first person I've ever met that uses Ubuntu's desktop,
particularly the Gnome3 version. ;)
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon

[ram]

I like option 1 best.  If the stem was bent differently then it could look
like clef, which would then suggest music.

Stay safe, and best regards,

Rich




> On 5/22/20 3:02 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
>> Just posted some new ideas for the rosegarden app icon on the wiki.
>> Head over to the logo page and have a look at the pdf at the top. 
>> Then let me know what you think.  We can discuss here on the list or
>> send me an email directly if you prefer a silent ballot.
>>
>>   https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo
>>
>> Ted.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> Opinions by option number:
>
>  1. I like this. Clearly a rose, with the stem curling around. Doesn't
> say anything about music, though. I like #5 better.
>  2. Looks OK. The square frame looks like a frame rather than a rose
> stem, if it's intended to look like a rose stem.
>  3. Looks like 3 tulips to me, not roses. So far, I prefer the
> single-rose designs. With or without a solid background.
>  4. NO, just no. Not roses, looks like bars or some completely-different
> flower.
>  5. Interesting! Kind of an abstracted or deconstructed rose that I
> recognized right off. Adding the piano keys shows that it's a music
> program. I like this one best so far.
>  6. NO, no, no. Yuck. Not even close to a rose, nothing about music in it.
>  7. Abstracted geometric rose that seems to me to be more of a Star of
> David. Doesn't say "rose" or Rosegarden to me.
>  8. Even more abstracted "rose" that doesn't communicate rose,
> Rosegarden, or music to me.
>  9. Cute, but just, no. A couple of rosebuds, has music notes, but the
> music notes don't look particularly good to me.
>
> I like #5 so much I just might screen grab it and use it for my
> Rosegarden icon here. Are the source files (preferably SVG) available?
>
> PS: You're the first person I've ever met that uses Ubuntu's desktop,
> particularly the Gnome3 version. ;)
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden still to 'aggressive' in sending Bank and Program changes?

[ram]

I agree.



> Rosegarden sends a Bank selection (CC 0 + CC 32) and Program change
> every single time playback starts from the beginning (i.e. measure 1,
> and this includes if you are looping with a measure which includes
> measure 1).
>
> This _can_ be disabled by deselecting Bank and Program checkboxes in the
> Instrument Parameters pane. But..
>
> I think this behaviour is still a bit too 'aggressive'. An example is
> using Rosegarden with Yoshimi where yoshimi is set-up to react to MSB
> and program changes. If the bank and program change are on, and you have
> a note on the very first beat the note is effectivelycut off. I'm
> assuming this is because Yoshimi (but this could apply to any other
> synth) is 'doing stuff' each time it needs to set-up a new
> bank/instrument.
>
> Anyway, why does the sequencer need to send program change at each
> playback restart? My experience with both hardware and soft synths is
> that  typically a synth/sound generator sets the program for the channel
> and then retains it _unless_ it is changed. I am not aware of a synth
> were bank/program set-up is directly related to position zero (plus most
> synths don't even know anything about (position) time??)
>
> Now, we know that program changes can also be embedded in a track as an
> event (this was quite common with midi files in the day when you had
> harder limits on numbers of tracks and midi channels), but still I think
> if whoever made the midi track is embedding program changes in the
> events (segments to use the rosegarden terminology) they should take
> care (if needed) to embed the first program they want at position 0 in
> their track(s).
>
> If I'm setting the program in the dropdowns I probably want to retain
> that program throughout the track and piece.
>
> So my proposal would be that Rosegarden only changes bank program
> changes if:
> - They are selected in the pane (this is currently already like this,
> good!)
> - The user changes them explicitly from the Instrument parameter
> dropdowns (then a synth should 'remember' and keep that setting until
> there is another change)
> - A program change is explicitly in the track/segment
>
> The fact that a program change is being re-sent at each restart is a bit
> of an unexpected and 'hidden' behaviour which IMHO creates more
> confusion than benefit as it stands.
>
> A compromise could be to have a new option to 'Always send Bank /
> Program changes when playback is restarted' in the options for users who
> are really fond of this feature? :)
>
> Lorenzo
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] JACK MIDI... Why?

[ram]

Hi Ted, et. al.

JACK MIDI is essential for "talking" to  wide range of software
synthesisers, e.g. the Bristol package (http://bristol.sourceforge.net/). 
There are work arounds to its absence, such as a2jmidid
(https://github.com/linuxaudio/a2jmidid/), but those are a pain to use and
are very sensitive to the startup order of various applications.

I hope that helps.

Regards,

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>
>Why do you want/need JACK MIDI?  (As with LV2 I may never get to it,
> but some justification will help focus the effort if I do.)  Thanks.
>
> Ted.
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?

[ram]

Yeah, I do something similar.  I record the raw audio tracks with Rosegarden
and then when I have all the tracks (and then some), I pull them into
Audacity for editing, mixing, and processing.  Outputs are usually stereo,
5.1, and 7.1 flac files to be merged with video.

I use a Linux cluster and quite a bit of external MIDI gear.  Jack, MIDI,
and Netjack interfacing are important to my uses.


> Just adding my take on the audio front.
>
> I frequently collaborate with people who send me audio guitar and/or vocal
> tracks. I load these into Rosegarden, then produce MIDI tracks to make my
> additions. On very rare occasion I'll do some processing of the audio with
> plugins in Rosegarden, but I prefer to pre-process externally, usually
> with Audacity.
>
> Once I have a project complete, I'll then play the audio from Rosegarden
> into
> Audacity in parallel with audio from Yoshimi to produce the complete
> stereo
> track. Finally, in Audacity, I'll trim start and end, and maybe run the
> fast
> lookahead limiter and set the overall level.
>
> For anyone interested below is a typical example from some years back.
> Vocal and
> guitar is from Ged, the rest is Yoshimi.
>
> https://soundcloud.com/soft-sounds/scarborough-fair-feat-rustysrtingz
>
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> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

[ram]

Hi all,

I'd like to see what David W. Jones comes up with.  Traditionally "old"
but "new" probably would be the way to go.

Rich




> On 3/15/19 4:24 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>> On 15/03/19 14:40, Ted Felix wrote:
>>> On 3/14/19 3:40 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
 Looks good... I guess a 'square' concept, i.e. without the text which
 would be used for icons etc. would be useful ;)
>>>
>>>    I added a tile mockup to the wiki page:
>>>
>>> https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo
>>>
>>
>> What would it look like inverted (i.e. white / transparent background)
>> and coloured rose (but please remember the yellow/orange... :P )
>>
>> That might also address some of the concerns of people who see a too
>> drastic change... After all the current icon is on a transparent
>> background and thus this way we could keep it a bit more familiar..
>
> Looking at it and the existing logo here on my laptop. The text logo is
> fine. The red elephant "g" doesn't do it for me. The rose tile looks
> fine, but I don't like the "g" anymore.
>
> Where's the original rose photo? Might be fun to see about SVGing it
> myself.
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

[ram]

> On 3/14/19 3:40 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>> Looks good... I guess a 'square' concept, i.e. without the text which
>> would be used for icons etc. would be useful ;)
>
>I was thinking that too.  Not sure the "g" should be so prominent.
> However...  Elephant!
>
>> About the colour.. wondering if some reference to the old logo (yellow,
>> orange tones) could remain.
>
>Of course.  I'll register your vote for this.
>
> Ted.
>

Yeah, I feel the same way. So I'll second that!

Rich

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[Rosegarden-user] I for one like it!

[ram]

> I've raised the bar on what constitutes my chef d'oeuvre.  I put this
> together after the guy who got me into computer music back in the '80s
> gave his brain the old lead swirlie.  Damn, I hate it that he killed
> himself, but, uh, thanks for the inspiration?  He was a far better
> musician, but I'm still alive being a depressed celibate born again
> virgin, so I guess this is a sort of win.
>
> This is the least crappy musical thing I've ever achieved.  Rosegarden
> was used in the sketching and formative stages, to produce scores from
> which I improvised live.  Every part was recorded in one take, with very
> minimal editing.  Editing and video were done on Winderz, sadly.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMRljr5mckg
>
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>

Well, I for one like it!  Decent music, good lyrics, and a strange
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Jack freewheel and jack-midi and general thoughts

[ram]

Hi guys,

I agree, JACK-MIDI would be more immediately useful that some other
features.  Right now, I use that JACK-ALSA bridge program to gain that bit
of extra functionality, but that is a bit awkward and kludgey.

Rich Marschall


> On 2/23/19 2:27 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>> So the the question is: would it be time to think about jack-midi
>> support in Rosegarden?
>
>It's been time to think about that for years.  Just no one has time
> to actually think about it.  See feature request #471.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/471/
>
>> But... maybe an upgrade
>> to jack-midi would help making Rosegarden easier to interconnect and use
>> more of the available hosts, synths etc.
>
>So prioritize feature request #471 above #462.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/
>
>That's helpful info.
>
>I wish I had time to undertake these projects.  If no one else does,
> I might get to them in the next decade or two.  Maybe by 2040?  They are
> on my todo list.
>
> Ted.
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Video editing on Linux

[ram]

Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

>
> Once upon a time I really got into cinelerra, then it got harder and
> harder to compile it as well as to import/export so I moved to kdenlive
> (with a bit of Openshot here and there). The nice thing about kdelive is
> that it seems to 'just' work (the drawback is that you need to install
> half of KDE and that sucks if it's not your DE).
> I tend to prefer video editors with tracks, maybe because I'm more used
> to music software. Recently I tried Shotcut, and it looks like a good
> compromise between simple interface and controls, decent presets and
> usability.
>
> One last note, on Linux I think if you want to do video editing it's
> good to always have an ffmpeg installation around for conversion etc. ;)
>
> My two cents.
> Lorenzo
>
>

One thing I really like about both Cinelerra and Blender is they allow one
to use clusters of Linux boxen so one can really throw alot of "grunt" at
rendering.  Totally agree about the use of ffmpeg for various conversions,
especially if one's source material has various resolutions, formats, and
frame rates.

All Linux video editors (and ffmpeg) can benefit mightily from having GPU
subsystem with several thousand cores with the proprietary AMD/ATI or
NVidia drivers installed along with their corresponding OpenGL and OpenCL
libraries and routines.

My friends tell me Blender can do anything, except apparently be easy for
me to learn how to use ;-)  Blender rendering services on remote "cloud"
supercomputers is also readily available if you have the Internet speeds
to use them (we don't in Australia with its aged copper twisted pair
infrastructure).

Hope this helpful.

Rich




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[Rosegarden-user] Video editing on Linux

[ram]

Hi Michael,

With respect to:

> After trying to edit my video on Linux, I have concluded it is time to
> move this project to Windows.  Video editors for Linux are either not
> sophisticated enough or too sophisticated, and there is nothing in the
> middle ground.
>

Try Cinelerra (https://cinelerra-cv.org/) it may be the middle ground you
are looking for.

Of course, video editing can be done in Blender (https://www.blender.org/)
which many of my friends use, but I've found Blender's learning curve
rather steep, almost cliff like.

OpenShot (http://www.openshot.org/) is relatively easy to use, but may not
be as full featured as you like.

As with music software there is an inherent trade-off between "easy to
use" and "full featured".

Since the vast majority of the movie industry uses Linux for video
manipulation, CGI, and editing, there are good reasons to stay with Linux
as your platform of choice.

Best regards,

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] BPM: Rosegarden vs. Hydrogen

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> On 04/18/2016 09:19 AM, Silas Mortimer wrote:
>> This is particularly a problem in that I'd like to set them up to run
>> together (leaving blank patterns in Hydrogen while the part in
>> Rosegarden plays), but when I try to set Rosegarden's timing to
>> JACK-determined, it goes all wonky.
>
>I'm not sure that synchronizing Hydrogen and Rosegarden is going to
> work very well.  It might be better to use Hydrogen as a MIDI synth and
> have Rosegarden do the sequencing.  Assuming this is possible.
>
> Ted.
>

Hydrogen works real well as a MIDI synth to be played by RoseGarden, at
least when using Jack/NetJack.  I do this all the time.  For larger
percussion sections I find it easier to use RoseGarden for the sequencing
than Hydrogen's native interface.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Humanizing MIDI tracks

[ram]

With respect to all the issues with respect to notation, compositional
aids, humanized tracks, etc:

I kinda hate to bring it up, but perhaps the RoseGarden developers should
take a look at another Open Source project --- Impro-Visor
and "lift a whole bunch of tools out of it.

As computers continue to get more powerful, I can envisage the two
projects merging.  Right now, nearly all professionals using Impro-Visor
and the vast majority of students generate files they touch up and
orchestrate in RoseGarden.

Such an application would not be "thin", I've got around 2000 cores
working on Impro-Visor routinely with another thousand or so readily
available, so that is serious music AI.  RoseGarden then applies serious
leverage to Impro-Visor results.

OK, I've said it.  A live grenade in the room.

Have fun,



>
>
> On 14/04/2016 03:32, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>> On 04/13/2016 06:52 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote:
>>
>>> No problem. I just need to work out how to add the arpeggio notation
>>> in Lilypond.
>>
>> It's hacky and weird.  Use the text tool.  Choose type "LilyPond
>> Directive" and insert an "Arp."
>>
>> That prints the squiggly arpeggio symbol on the score.  I never gave
>> Rosegarden the ability to represent this natively, and no one else ever
>> bothered either, so this is what we've got.  Hacky and weird.
>
> IMHO Rosegarden *shoud not* become / be a fully-fledged notation /
> lilypond editor and focus on being the (great) free (as in freedom)
> sequencer it is :)
>
> I mean, I don't want to bash discussions etc. about notation, but
> Rosegarden already has some of the best notation support for any
> sequencer around, and personally I would like to see (possible) effort
> go into bugfixing and improvements in the sequencer / production
> department.
>
> Randomization, 'humanisation', groove quantize etc. (the subject of the
> thread) would be cool and are IMHO part of those possible improvements ;)
>
> Just my two cents :)
> Lorenzo.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

[ram]

> On Apr 10, 2016 23:07, Silas Mortimer  wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 5:46 AM, chuck elliot
>>  wrote:
>> > Actually there are devices that do this. I have a Roland GI 10
>> > guitar/midi interface which is basically a real time pitch to midi
>> > converter. It handles pitch bend too and does an impressive job
>> > without too much delay and glitches. Paired with a midi sound module,
>> > you can (in theory) play any instrument using the guitar as the input
>> > device. Whether this is effective or not depends on the nature of the
>> > target instrument; wind instruments work pretty well but piano say
>> > is harder to mimic in terms of playing style.
>>
>> That is excellent! I shall have to save up for that.
>
> My church band's former lead guitarist had a guitar MIDI setup with stomp
> box synthesizer. Got some great string sounds out of it. And it picked up
> bends and the whammy bar on his Strat.
>
> Jerry Garcia used a guitar MIDI setup (built into his custom-built
> guitars). So did Al Di Meola, running it into a Classic Mac that sat there
> on stage with him. Saw it in a solo performance of his televised ages ago.
>
> Apparently these things have been around a long time.
>
> David W. Jones
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>

You are right.  I remember these things from when I was a young man and
I'm an old man now.  On Linux you can set up a pitch to MIDI converter in
AMS (ALSA Modular Synthesizer) and  a MIDI output envelope tracker,
without too much trouble.  Or, you can output the pitch and envelope
information as a control voltage (CV) if you have a DC coupled soundcard 
(usually those are the really really cheap ones) and use that to control
an analog synthesizer with a guitar as the controller.

Once you start coupling innovative controllers with AMS and Rosegarden and
perhaps back the other way also, things get really interesting and
creative.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Humanizing MIDI tracks

[ram]

>
> On 25.03.2016 09:00, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
>> The "interpret" function under the notation editor in the menu "adjust"
>> probably will do what you want, at least if you want your piece to sound
>> like it was played by human orchestral professionals.
>
> No, I am afraid that will not be enough.
>
>
>> If you want something more "amateur" that can also be achieved but by
>> using an
>> appropriate "amateur" soundfont or making one of your own with a bit of
>> editing using Swami.
>
> Uh, that would be a stretch for just getting some randomness in there.
>
>
> I think I'll just go with Cubase for this task. On the FLOSS side I hear
> Qtractor has something like it, so I might also give that a shot.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Florian
>

Further to the above, RoseGarden can use the Hydrogen drum synthesizer so
if you are looking for just randomization of rhythm that would be a way to
go.  On physical pitched instruments real humans don't actually make
"random" errors but instead tend to particular errors due to physical
difficulty of executing that part of the performance.  Hence the use of
"Amateur" soundfonts when one wants to simulate a high school band or
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Humanizing MIDI tracks

[ram]

The "interpret" function under the notation editor in the menu "adjust"
probably will do what you want, at least if you want your piece to sound
like it was played by human orchestral professionals.  If you want
something more "amateur" that can also be achieved but by using an
appropriate "amateur" soundfont or making one of your own with a bit of
editing using Swami.

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[Rosegarden-user] Repeat segments, ideally in bulk

[ram]

Hi all,

I'm using Rosegarden "Peace", Version 15.12, Qt version 4.6.3, Build key
2a2e61f9e6.

I want to take a short multibar composition and repeat it a few times so
that I can go back in an introduce variations but keep the drums and
bassline for a while.  I used to do this with an old version of Rosegarden
but the behaviour I get now is not what I expect.  Perhaps the interface
has changed.  Any hints and suggestions?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] problem with basic functionality (tracks, instruments, ZynAddSubFX connection)

[ram]

> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016, Leszek Wroński wrote:
>
>> *BONUS QUESTION*
>> Now, this will probably be idiotic, but I need to ask this. Can I
>> somehow
>> just play General MIDI instruments? Is this done by Timidity? I fired it
>> up
>> but it doesn't show in the 'Audio' menu of Jack, so I can't tell it to
>> output any sound to the system.

Holger wrote:

>
> I recommend installing and loading fluidsynth-dssi into a
> Rosegarden-track of type "Synthesizer Plugin". Then load a GM soundfont
> into fluidsynth. Most distributions offer the package
> fluid-soundfont-gm, a very good soundfont that resides in
> /usr/share/sounds/sf2/FluidR3_GM.sf2 after installation.
>
> Using the plugin makes it simple to save the settings with your song and
> offers as low latency as possible.
>
> You can find other good soundfonts all over the web.
>

Many hundreds of Giga-Bytes, if not Tera-Bytes, of SoundFonts can be found
at:

http://wowsia.com

That site also has a preview function.

Have fun.


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[Rosegarden-user] RoseGarden with Plug-Ins -- fewer dungleflungies

[ram]

> D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>
>
> I finally broke down and was going to use Ardour for some task.  It
> refused to run in my environment.  The environment I use to develop
> Rosegarden isn't good enough to run Ardour, because some of my
> dungleflungies were not prescribulated.
>
> If you want a trebuchet, I can build you a trebuchet that can fling
> rocks, but if you want prescribulated dungleflungies, call somebody more
> patient and more interested than I am.  I'd rather build a trebuchet, or
> write music, or eat a bucket of paint, or stick thumb tacks in my nose
> or something.
>
> That's why I use Rosegarden for most of my audio stuff.
>
> I will have to get over it and prescribulate my dungleflungies one of
> these days though, or else add features to Rosegarden which would
> require learning more math than ever wanted to fit inside my skull.
>
> They say music and math and language and math and programming and math
> all go around together hand in hand singing campfire songs, but I do
> what I do in all three areas with just about enough math to fill a good
> sized thimble.
>
> What was my point?  I had a point.  Well anyway, the Mozart piece was
> nicely done.
> --

Thanks for the comment about the Mozart piece.  Are you old enough to get
the joke in the "album title" ?

Avoiding "dungleflungies" is why when I get a configuration working (in
this case a Debian Squeeze cluster with around 3k cores), I don't mess
with it.  Although I use the Debian Squeeze versions of Audacity quite a
lot for final mastering, I haven't seriously used Ardour in years.  For
me, the interface is non-intuitive and the set-up is painful.

With respect to music, math, language, and programming: I'm "good" at math
(you can Google that one ;-) and "decent" at music.  I used to be a
reasonable programmer but most of my skills there have been overtaken by
more modern object oriented programming languages.  I've never been good
at languages, at least relative to my friends who seem to all speak a half
a dozen, understand a dozen more, and read several dozen.  The human
language guys seem to be the same ones who are good at machine languages
as well.  No wonder they are fully international, they can run a
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[Rosegarden-user] RoseGarden with Plug-Ins -- stability

[ram]

Hi guys,

The stability of RoseGarden with its plug-ins is pretty good.  The
following was recently done using only RoseGarden plug-ins (on Debian
Squeeze):

ftp://www.hydrophones.com/Mozart-K488--88p2kHz.flac

It is almost a half hour long and beat the living daylights out of the
plug-in functionality.

I always did a save before changing a plug-in.  I did get a few crashes
but not always on the same plug-in (e.g. the plug-in could be used on
another track and worked just fine).  As far as I could tell, in this
large practical example, no RoseGarden plug-in crashed consistently, and
running into a crash was a rare event.

Rich Marschall

P.S.  Yes, I know the rendition of Mozart's K488 is politically incorrect.
 It is suitable for "Future Noir" or "Tech Noir" videos.  It is under the
CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license and is bound to show up in some interesting places
;-)




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How should I use RoseGarden

[ram]

Hi Anton,

My friends and I use Rosegarden with JACK and pretty much forget about the
plugins.  We use a combination of external hardware synths and soft
synths.
Fluidsynth with soundfonts remains popular (the website http://wowsia.com
provides an almost endless supply, I think they have over a TeraByte
worth).

We also use an extension on JACK (that used to be called NetJACK, but has
been incorporated into recent versions of JACK) see for example:

https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki/WalkThrough_User_NetJack

and,

https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki/WalkThrough_User_NetJack2

This allows soft synths to run on separate dedicated machines, which may
or may not, have analog sound capability.

My main synth studio rig has one machine with a high-end multichannel
sound card that does nothing much more than take inputs from other
devices.  Synthesis is all done on other machines as is recording. 
RoseGarden is run on the recording machine with a big monitor and graphics
cards.  NetJack ties it all together.

Examples of the results can be heard on the Jazz channels of:

http://finevenuemusic.com

and

http://lowcostrestaurantmusic.com

The "Space of Hearts" channels includes work by other artists, but also
mostly done with RoseGarden on Linux.

Hope this helps,

Rich Marschall




> Hi everyone!
>
> I've been using RoseGarden for several monthes, but I still can't find
> how to use it the most effectively.
>
> Here is my situation:
> - I'd like to use multiple soundfonts in multiple formats: sf2, gig and
> sfz
> - Sometimes, I have several banks for one instrument. For instance a
> guitar with a normal sound and a muted sound.
> - I'd like something simple, ie. I open my file in RoseGarden, I press
> "play" and there is sound.
>
> Currently, I only use SF2 files with fluidsynth dssi plugin, because
> LinuxSampler plugin don't remember the configuration.
> When I have an instrument with several sound, I use several tracks.
> Maybe is there a easier way to do this, for example with program changes
> ? (even if the different sounds are not from the same soundfont file)
>
> Recently I've discovered Carla, but it's only available as lv2 plugin,
> which RoseGarden does not support. I've tried to connect RoseGarden and
> Carla with jack connections, but It's not very practicle. I create a
> midi device for each track which I connect to the input of the soundfont
> created by Carla. Maybe is there also a better way to do this ?
>
> Thanks for your advices!
>
> Anton Curl
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] RG 14.12

[ram]

 On 06/18/2015 03:13 PM, David Jones wrote:

 Add some pron AKA erotica and it would be a massive bestseller. Then
 you could devote your time to music and Rosegarden.

 To which D. Michael McIntyre replied:

 I wasn't going to go there, but yeah, if I could somehow combine Harry
 Potter with 50 Shades of Grey and then have everybody get killed off
 every few chapters (combine with Marquis de Sade?) I could sell eleventy
 billion copies for sure.

 In reality, I'm never going to write a novel, because I can't turn out a
 story that goes for more than about 15 pages.  Writing is harder than it
 looks, and it eats vast amounts of time.
 --

Hey!  With a plot like that we could make an OPERA, and use RoseGarden to
do it ;-D

ram




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!

[ram]

I may start the composition process with (other Linux) tools than
RoseGarden, but my final compositions are almost always put together in
RoseGarden with the final mix being done in Audacity.  The few exceptions
are those things that I do live.

I've also installed RoseGarden on Linux boxen my company has supplied to
media studies departments of universities and to private music schools. 
The response from the teachers and students has always been very
favorable.  I am certain most of those graduates continue to use
RoseGarden professionally.

Rosegarden is definitely a core Linux media creation application.  I fully
agree:  Long live RoseGarden!

RAM





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] snd-rtctimer

[ram]

 On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, German wrote:

 Hello list. Just installed Rosegarden. However when I start it, it says:
 Rosegarden was unable to find a high-resolution
 timing source for MIDI performance. It then advice me to load the
 module, modeprobe snd-rtctimer. However I don't have such a module on
 this system. How serious is this? Thanks

 Use a Kernel with HZ1000 set. Those kernel packages have usually
 lowlatency in their name. The message vanishes then.

 Lowlatency kernels are good both for Rosegarden and for JACK.


Unfortunately they tend NOT TO WORK with proprietary graphics drivers from
AMD/ATI and NVidia.

My recommendation, is to ignore the message, and try Rosegarden out with
your existing configuration and see if you can notice any problems/delays.
If there is a problem you can always switch kernels IF the version you are
using is not necessary for the graphics driver you are using.






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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden friendly distros

[ram]

 On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:13 AM, David Tisdell david.tisd...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have tried Ubuntustudio before but have had lots of issues with
 networking. Seems like there are few if any network drivers enabled in
 the
 Ubuntustudio Kernel. This is why I installed straight Ubuntu and added
 the
 music programs I use. Networking issues is a huge deal breaker in my
 environment.

 That's strange, it should have everything Ubuntu has in terms of
 networking support. I use Ubuntu Studio on multiple machines,
 including a laptop with wireless, and networking has always worked out
 of the box.

 --
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You're right, that is strange.  My company has two Ubuntu Studio machines
connected to our Linux cluster.  The cluster itself consists of mostly
Debian boxen but there is a CentOS machine in there.  Some Knoppix
machines are also sometimes coupled in.  We use fixed IP addresses which
is a requirement of some of the back-end video rendering software we use. 
Initial setup is a bit tedious but the combined grunt of the cluster is
formidable.

Rich Marschall -- http://www.hydrophones.com/MAI-Audio




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