Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Kucinich Gives Impassioned Speech at DNC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Love the guy myself. He was my first choice too. He's the #1 IMPEACHMENT advocate - a real patriot! Amy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0smG7ptcM Allow me to present you with my first choice for President of these United States. Way back in another lifetime--a year and a half ago--Dennis Kucinich was my choice for Prez, before John Edwards, Obama, and hillary Clinton. I like his real straight talk, his interesting background (dude was once so poor he had to live with friends), his lack of doing what's politic. And man can dude get excited! Check out his speech at the DNC tonight, surely one of the most lively in the convention... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 7:29 AM
1219822723
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Forget the corporate media propaganda machine! Please go to independent media coverage from Pacifica Radio and especially from www.democracynow.org . Please check it out! Amy Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? Dude I was flowing like baby during Sen. Kennedy and Michelle Obama. I felt a little disheartened with the announcement of the running mate choice of Biden on Saturday and lost some perspective. Then during the telecast of the convention, my brain hit reset and the enormity of it all sank into me all at once when Sen Kennedy took the stage. Within seconds I was overwhelmed and my eyes were like faucets. Bosco --- On Tue, 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 10:43 AM Amen, Brother! I also got misty-eyed when Michelle Obama was preceeded by that fine video retrospective, narrated by her mother's tremulous voice. Did I hear it was produced by Ken Burns? -- Original message -- From: Martin truthseeker_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] com And, on an entirely serious note, I admit freely that I cried like a newborn during Senator Kennedy's speech. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Mon, 8/25/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:25 PM We had the same experience, then. I was on CNN, went into the kitchen, realized Obama's sister wasn't being covered, and also, caught Carter's interview on PBS. That sold me. I've been increasingly dissatisfied with most news channels recently, populated as they are with large panels of analysts who have to shout over each other to get their five seconds' worth of TV time. PBS is intelligent, concise, and feels so much more relaxing. What a wonder not to suffer through people shouting over each other! -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I started with CNN on the HD TV. But when I went into the kitchen to prepare my dinner, and didn't find the convention on any of the network channels, I turned to PBS and stayed with PBS the rest of the evening. No commercials, intelligent, concise commentary, and an interview with Jimmy Carter, the greatest ex-president of all time, it don't get much better than that! Truly enjoyed the whole Michelle Obama segment from the video about her mother and father to her brother's introduction through her bringing her elegant and delightful daughters up on stage to Obama congratulating her via videotape. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: What station are you watching to cover the Democratic National Convention? As usual, I started out with CNN, but frankly that station's been disappointing me recently. Mayb e it started when t hey started hiring the likes of Pat Buchanan for equal time. Maybe it's the Glenn Becks and other shrill loudmouths they brought on to answer the call of Fox's shrill loudmouths. Maybe it's that all the anchors and hosts have to pimp themselves out by saying the best political team on television all the time; again, in homage to Fox. Or maybe it's just the fact that I'm tired of the same old group of people talking all the time. Whatever. I just noticed that everytime I turned to CNN, Wolf Blitzer or Anderson Cooper or someone was yammering on about polls and strategies, pulling out the fancy electronic maps and fancy computer tricks, while in the background stuff was going on I wanted to *see*. I was really upset when Obama's sister spoke and CNN focused on Wolf Blitzer, while her voice co uld barely be heard in the background. Then Wolf threw
[scifinoir2] Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar
courant.com/entertainment/movies/hc-ap-harrypotterhariputtar-0826,0,2348165.story Courant.com Suit Pits Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar From Wire Reports August 27, 2008 Click here to find out more! Harry Potter studio Warner Bros. is suing an Indian film company over the title of upcoming film Hari Puttar A Comedy Of Terrors, according to the Hollywood Reporter. Warner Bros. says the name is too similar to that of its megahit franchise. A spokesman confirmed the lawsuit against Mumbai-based Mirchi Movies. The case is reportedly due to be heard in Bombay High Court. The film is due to open in India on Sept. 12. Warner Bros. values and protects intellectual property rights, Warner Bros. spokeswoman Deborah Lincoln told the Reporter. However, it is our policy not to discuss publicly the details of any ongoing litigation. Hari is a popular Indian name, while Puttar means son in Punjabi. Hari Puttar, directed by Rajesh Bajaj and Lucky Kohli, stars Zain Khan as Hari alongside veteran Bollywood actor Jackie Shroff. Hari Puttar tells of a 10-year-old boy who moves to England with his parents and becomes involved in a plot concerning a secret microchip and is set for a Sept. 12 release in India. Munish Purii, the chief executive of Mirchi Movies, said we registered the 'Hari Puttar' title in 2005, and it's unfortunate that Warner has chosen to file a case so close to our film's release. Copyright © 2008, The Hartford Courant
1219836987
Puh-LEEZE! It's called *parody*, people. And I've seen worse rips at the Potter franchise on Cartoon Network- a-HA. I've figured it out. Warner's *isn't getting paid for this*... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 6:58 AM courant.com/ entertainment/ movies/hc- ap-harrypotterha riputtar- 0826,0,2348165. story Courant.com Suit Pits Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar From Wire Reports August 27, 2008 Click here to find out more! Harry Potter studio Warner Bros. is suing an Indian film company over the title of upcoming film Hari Puttar — A Comedy Of Terrors, according to the Hollywood Reporter. Warner Bros. says the name is too similar to that of its megahit franchise. A spokesman confirmed the lawsuit against Mumbai-based Mirchi Movies. The case is reportedly due to be heard in Bombay High Court. The film is due to open in India on Sept. 12. Warner Bros. values and protects intellectual property rights, Warner Bros. spokeswoman Deborah Lincoln told the Reporter. However, it is our policy not to discuss publicly the details of any ongoing litigation. Hari is a popular Indian name, while Puttar means son in Punjabi. Hari Puttar, directed by Rajesh Bajaj and Lucky Kohli, stars Zain Khan as Hari alongside veteran Bollywood actor Jackie Shroff. Hari Puttar tells of a 10-year-old boy who moves to England with his parents and becomes involved in a plot concerning a secret microchip and is set for a Sept. 12 release in India. Munish Purii, the chief executive of Mirchi Movies, said we registered the 'Hari Puttar' title in 2005, and it's unfortunate that Warner has chosen to file a case so close to our film's release. Copyright © 2008, The Hartford Courant
1219839335
You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED]clockworkman%40gmail.com wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
1219842338
Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
1219843268
I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
I actually watched some of Democracy Now's coverage. I watched a lot
of the B-List speakers on C-Span. It was good to see those
uninterrupted and without the pundits.
Why isn't the mainstream media talking about speeches from Dennis
Kucinich and Montana governor Brian Schweitzer. They got bigger
reactions than Ed Rendell and Mark Warner.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Amy Harlib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Forget the corporate media propaganda machine! Please go to
independent media coverage from Pacifica Radio and especially from
www.democracynow.org . Please check it out!
Amy
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover
the DNC?
Dude
I was flowing like baby during Sen. Kennedy and Michelle
Obama. I felt a little disheartened with the announcement of the
running mate choice of Biden on Saturday and lost some perspective.
Then during the telecast of the convention, my brain hit reset and
the enormity of it all sank into me all at once when Sen Kennedy took
the stage. Within seconds I was overwhelmed and my eyes were like
faucets.
Bosco
--- On Tue, 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to
Cover the DNC?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 10:43 AM
Amen, Brother! I also got misty-eyed when Michelle Obama
was preceeded by that fine video retrospective, narrated by her
mother's tremulous voice. Did I hear it was produced by Ken Burns?
-- Original message --
From: Martin truthseeker_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
And, on an entirely serious note, I admit freely
that I cried like a newborn during Senator Kennedy's speech.
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
--- On Mon, 8/25/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote:
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You
Watching to Cover the DNC?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:25 PM
We had the same experience, then. I was on CNN,
went into the kitchen, realized Obama's sister wasn't being covered,
and also, caught Carter's interview on PBS. That sold me. I've been
increasingly dissatisfied with most news channels recently, populated
as they are with large panels of analysts who have to shout over each
other to get their five seconds' worth of TV time. PBS is
intelligent, concise, and feels so much more relaxing. What a wonder
not to suffer through people shouting over each other!
-- Original message
--
From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
I started with CNN on the HD TV. But when I
went into the kitchen to
prepare my dinner, and didn't find the
convention on any of the
network channels, I turned to PBS and stayed
with PBS the rest of the
evening. No commercials, intelligent, concise
commentary, and an
interview with Jimmy Carter, the greatest ex-
president of all time, it
don't get much better than that!
Truly enjoyed the whole Michelle Obama
segment from the video about
her mother and father to her brother's
introduction through her
bringing her elegant and delightful
daughters up on stage to Obama
congratulating her via videotape.
~rave!
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com,
KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:
What station are you watching to cover the
Democratic National
Convention? As usual, I started out with CNN,
but frankly that
station's been disappointing me recently.
Mayb e it started when t hey
started hiring the likes of Pat Buchanan for
equal time. Maybe it's
the Glenn Becks and other shrill loudmouths
they brought on to answer
the call of Fox's shrill loudmouths. Maybe
it's that all the anchors
and hosts have to pimp themselves out by
saying the best political
team on television all the time; again, in
homage to Fox. Or maybe
it's just the fact that I'm tired of the same
old group of people
talking all the time. Whatever. I just
noticed that everytime I turned
1219843868
In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:28:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why isn't the mainstream media talking about speeches from Dennis Kucinich and Montana governor Brian Schweitzer. They got bigger reactions than Ed Rendell and Mark Warner. Becuase both of them are nuts. Especially Kucinich. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
I thought Kucinich was dead on in his criticism of the pharmaceutical industry and their influence on modern health care was spot on and most of the folks in the hall did as well. The man may be kooky but his speech was very, very good. Schweitzer was a great hype man. LOL. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:28:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why isn't the mainstream media talking about speeches from Dennis Kucinich and Montana governor Brian Schweitzer. They got bigger reactions than Ed Rendell and Mark Warner. Becuase both of them are nuts. Especially Kucinich. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
[scifinoir2] Re: Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar
Epic Movie lampooned Harry Potter and Hogwarts and they even used the character names. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Puh-LEEZE! It's called *parody*, people. And I've seen worse rips at the Potter franchise on Cartoon Network- a-HA. I've figured it out. Warner's *isn't getting paid for this*... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 6:58 AM courant.com/ entertainment/ movies/hc- ap-harrypotterha riputtar- 0826,0,2348165. story Courant.com Suit Pits Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar From Wire Reports August 27, 2008 Click here to find out more! Harry Potter studio Warner Bros. is suing an Indian film company over the title of upcoming film Hari Puttar A Comedy Of Terrors, according to the Hollywood Reporter. Warner Bros. says the name is too similar to that of its megahit franchise. A spokesman confirmed the lawsuit against Mumbai-based Mirchi Movies. The case is reportedly due to be heard in Bombay High Court. The film is due to open in India on Sept. 12. Warner Bros. values and protects intellectual property rights, Warner Bros. spokeswoman Deborah Lincoln told the Reporter. However, it is our policy not to discuss publicly the details of any ongoing litigation. Hari is a popular Indian name, while Puttar means son in Punjabi. Hari Puttar, directed by Rajesh Bajaj and Lucky Kohli, stars Zain Khan as Hari alongside veteran Bollywood actor Jackie Shroff. Hari Puttar tells of a 10-year-old boy who moves to England with his parents and becomes involved in a plot concerning a secret microchip and is set for a Sept. 12 release in India. Munish Purii, the chief executive of Mirchi Movies, said we registered the 'Hari Puttar' title in 2005, and it's unfortunate that Warner has chosen to file a case so close to our film's release. Copyright © 2008, The Hartford Courant
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:52:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought Kucinich was dead on in his criticism of the pharmaceutical industry and their influence on modern health care was spot on and most of the folks in the hall did as well. The man may be kooky but his speech was very, very good. Schweitzer was a great hype man. LOL He shoul put the blame on the Demorats who get money from that company. I doubt that the audience will realized that. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Kucinich Gives Impassioned Speech at DNC
Real talk -- he's STILL my choice. I am all for Obama, I'm not trying to Hillar-ize the point, but if there was a write-in...this would be my guy. I know some Republicans who feel the same about Ron Paul. And the great thing? THATs democracy. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:16 AM, Amy Harlib wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Love the guy myself. He was my first choice too. He's the #1 IMPEACHMENT advocate - a real patriot! Amy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0smG7ptcM Allow me to present you with my first choice for President of these United States. Way back in another lifetime--a year and a half ago-- Dennis Kucinich was my choice for Prez, before John Edwards, Obama, and hillary Clinton. I like his real straight talk, his interesting background (dude was once so poor he had to live with friends), his lack of doing what's politic. And man can dude get excited! Check out his speech at the DNC tonight, surely one of the most lively in the convention... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 7:29 AM
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. Dude Say what you want about Cher but you can't complain about her acting. She's won an Academy award and been nominated at least two times. Her performances in Mask and Silkwood are TOP NOTCH. Cher may not be your choice but the woman has serious acting skill. Bosco
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED]clockworkman%40gmail.com wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip BR blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via W ENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
RE: [scifinoir2] Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar
I don't know, they are having the same problem with The Birdcage and many others. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:36 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar Puh-LEEZE! It's called *parody*, people. And I've seen worse rips at the Potter franchise on Cartoon Network- a-HA. I've figured it out. Warner's *isn't getting paid for this*... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 6:58 AM courant.com/ entertainment/ movies/hc- ap-harrypotterha riputtar- 0826,0,2348165. story Courant.com Suit Pits Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar From Wire Reports August 27, 2008 Click here to find out more! Harry Potter studio Warner Bros. is suing an Indian film company over the title of upcoming film Hari Puttar - A Comedy Of Terrors, according to the Hollywood Reporter. Warner Bros. says the name is too similar to that of its megahit franchise. A spokesman confirmed the lawsuit against Mumbai-based Mirchi Movies. The case is reportedly due to be heard in Bombay High Court. The film is due to open in India on Sept. 12. Warner Bros. values and protects intellectual property rights, Warner Bros. spokeswoman Deborah Lincoln told the Reporter. However, it is our policy not to discuss publicly the details of any ongoing litigation. Hari is a popular Indian name, while Puttar means son in Punjabi. Hari Puttar, directed by Rajesh Bajaj and Lucky Kohli, stars Zain Khan as Hari alongside veteran Bollywood actor Jackie Shroff. Hari Puttar tells of a 10-year-old boy who moves to England with his parents and becomes involved in a plot concerning a secret microchip and is set for a Sept. 12 release in India. Munish Purii, the chief executive of Mirchi Movies, said we registered the 'Hari Puttar' title in 2005, and it's unfortunate that Warner has chosen to file a case so close to our film's release. Copyright C 2008, The Hartford Courant
1219854466
As the Hollywood saying goes...Ben Affleck has an Oscar. And then you're supposed to roll your eyes. We all have opinions about good actors/actresses, they are all correct, and I apologize to anyone I have offended by saying that Cher is a bad choice. But in terms of this project, Cher is a bad choice for Catwoman. If we're gonna pull people who gave great acting performances 20 years ago let's just go get Catherine Mary Stewart for the role. Cher has not made me believe she was anyone but Cher in any role she has ever played. She is a movie star, yes. And a famous one. And a talented performer. I like her, but this role is very specific. This ain't 1986 when you can just get a famous person and put them in the outfit. hey have to be able to pull it off. For me, for THIS ROLE: No way, No how. No Cher. ;) Daryle On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Bosco Bosco wrote: --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. Dude Say what you want about Cher but you can't complain about her acting. She's won an Academy award and been nominated at least two times. Her performances in Mask and Silkwood are TOP NOTCH. Cher may not be your choice but the woman has serious acting skill. Bosco
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
I don't see McClure as Catwoman at all, but I applaud your approach, which is to avoid going for big name stars--whatever their age. No Jolie, or Anniston, no Kidman or Paltrow or anyone else currently or recently on the A- list right now. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
[scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
At least he isn't picking someone from the hot CW show of the moment. There was some fanart that had Marion Cotillard from La Vie En Rose as Catwoman. An insprired choice but not likely considering her 9/11 comments. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see McClure as Catwoman at all, but I applaud your approach, which is to avoid going for big name stars--whatever their age. No Jolie, or Anniston, no Kidman or Paltrow or anyone else currently or recently on the A- list right now. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
Re: [scifinoir2] Prisoner Reboot Details Hinted
1.Twin Peaks 2.I Love Lucy 3.Twighlight Zone 4.The Prisoner 5.The Cosby Show On 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the other four TV shows? Surely an incarnation of Star Trek is among them? -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Prisoner is in my top 5 tv shows of all time. Perfect work I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MAN!!! Classic. Be seeing you. On 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Prisoner was a very odd show. I watched it as a child, late night, all by myself. Be interesting to see how I'd like it now as an adult. I do remember that crazy white ball that trapped people sacred the heck out of me. And that tall dude in black who gassed the Prisoner in his London flat gave me the willies too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prisoner Details Hinted AMC's general manager Charlie Collier told SCI FI Wire that the cable network's upcoming reboot of the classic 1960s British SF series The Prisoner will have some familiar elements. I don't really think of it being sci-fi, but it has the elements of the Village and the gadgetry, Collier said in an interview at the Television Critics Association press tour on July 9 in Beverly Hills, Calif. Collier wouldn't reveal much more about how the show is being updated, but he offered one big spoiler: The giant white ball, Rover, will be part of the new show. Rover was a big part of the TV series; it will be part of it. We can't talk about it extensively now--it will get me in trouble, Collier said. The Prisoner, AMC's second original miniseries, combines espionage, thriller and science fiction and will star Jim Caviezel as Number Six, a part originated by Patrick McGoohan. McGoohan served as the creato r, producer, writer and director of the 1960s series. Lord of the Rings star Ian McKellen will play Number Two, Six's boss and the man who apparently controls the mysterious Village in which he is trapped. We got Jesus and Gandalf! Collier said. What better cast could we get for those two characters than Ian McKellen and Jim Caviezel? It will be a limited series, that's how we could get those guys. But it is extensive; it is six hours. Caviezel played Jesus in The Passion of the Christ and was in genre films such as The Final Cut, The Count of Monte Cristo, Frequency and the upcoming Outlander. McKellen was nominated for an Academy Award for his role as the wizard Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring and was Magneto in the X-Men movies. Collier promised that the two actors would talk about the miniseries during a future TV press tour. The Prisoner isn't on AMC's schedule until 2009. --Mike Szym a nski http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=57430 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Oh, I disagree. I just used those two shows as examples, but between them there were dozens of actresses. My main point is there's a huge source of TV and movie actresses from which to pull, without only thinking of Jolie, Berry, etc. Again, i'm not even necessarily talking about the main stars of those shows. I'm thinking of the many guest stars who did a good job. That's the point: move far afield, don't just look at headliners and stars. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip BR blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via W ENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
I agree with not doing some CW hot body of the moment, but there are some good actresses in other TV shows. What did Cotillard say about 9/11? I've been meaning to see the movie she starred in. She was a surprise Oscar winner for that, no? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] At least he isn't picking someone from the hot CW show of the moment. There was some fanart that had Marion Cotillard from La Vie En Rose as Catwoman. An insprired choice but not likely considering her 9/11 comments. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see McClure as Catwoman at all, but I applaud your approach, which is to avoid going for big name stars--whatever their age. No Jolie, or Anniston, no Kidman or Paltrow or anyone else currently or recently on the A- list right now. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
1219857601
Electic list! Well, I was going to ask if you had a list of top five scifi/spec fiction shows, and then a separate mainstream topic shows, but I see you combine the two. Indeed, only Twilight Zone on your list really spends a great deal of time in the realms we call scifi or the supernatural. Ever seen Homicide: Life on the Street? Awesome show, one of my top five easily in the non scifi genre. I hear that The Wire, done by the same people, is even better. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.Twin Peaks 2.I Love Lucy 3.Twighlight Zone 4.The Prisoner 5.The Cosby Show On 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the other four TV shows? Surely an incarnation of Star Trek is among them? -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Prisoner is in my top 5 tv shows of all time. Perfect work I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MAN!!! Classic. Be seeing you. On 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Prisoner was a very odd show. I watched it as a child, late night, all by myself. Be interesting to see how I'd like it now as an adult. I do remember that crazy white ball that trapped people sacred the heck out of me. And that tall dude in black who gassed the Prisoner in his London flat gave me the willies too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prisoner Details Hinted AMC's general manager Charlie Collier told SCI FI Wire that the cable network's upcoming reboot of the classic 1960s British SF series The Prisoner will have some familiar elements. I don't really think of it being sci-fi, but it has the elements of the Village and the gadgetry, Collier said in an interview at the Television Critics Association press tour on July 9 in Beverly Hills, Calif. Collier wouldn't reveal much more about how the show is being updated, but he offered one big spoiler: The giant white ball, Rover, will be part of the new show. Rover was a big part of the TV series; it will be part of it. We can't talk about it extensively now--it will get me in trouble, Collier said. The Prisoner, AMC's second original miniseries, combines espionage, thriller and science fiction and will star Jim Caviezel as Number Six, a part originated by Patrick McGoohan. McGoohan served as the creato r, producer, writer and director of the 1960s series. Lord of the Rings star Ian McKellen will play Number Two, Six's boss and the man who apparently controls the mysterious Village in which he is trapped. We got Jesus and Gandalf! Collier said. What better cast could we get for those two characters than Ian McKellen and Jim Caviezel? It will be a limited series, that's how we could get those guys. But it is extensive; it is six hours. Caviezel played Jesus in The Passion of the Christ and was in genre films such as The Final Cut, The Count of Monte Cristo, Frequency and the upcoming Outlander. McKellen was nominated for an Academy Award for his role as the wizard Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring and was Magneto in the X-Men movies. Collier promised that the two actors would talk about the miniseries during a future TV press tour. The Prisoner isn't on AMC's schedule until 2009. --Mike Szym a nski http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=57430 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
What it seems like to me Mr. Lockhart is that you are fixated on the idea of Catwoman being this foxy...sex symbol. Cher is a sex symbol but her persona on screen would come accross as very unsettling... not even playing a cougar but a Kiss of the Spiderwoman/Black Widow kind of Catwoman. Think of this scifinoir folks... When you think of a woman with alot of cats you think of a very insular and lonely individual. What if this person had some kind of influence...or power over people? Creepy, scary...Nolan c w m On 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the Hollywood saying goes...Ben Affleck has an Oscar. And then you're supposed to roll your eyes. We all have opinions about good actors/actresses, they are all correct, and I apologize to anyone I have offended by saying that Cher is a bad choice. But in terms of this project, Cher is a bad choice for Catwoman. If we're gonna pull people who gave great acting performances 20 years ago let's just go get Catherine Mary Stewart for the role. Cher has not made me believe she was anyone but Cher in any role she has ever played. She is a movie star, yes. And a famous one. And a talented performer. I like her, but this role is very specific. This ain't 1986 when you can just get a famous person and put them in the outfit. hey have to be able to pull it off. For me, for THIS ROLE: No way, No how. No Cher. ;) Daryle On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Bosco Bosco wrote: --- On *Wed, 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote:and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. Dude Say what you want about Cher but you can't complain about her acting. She's won an Academy award and been nominated at least two times. Her performances in Mask and Silkwood are TOP NOTCH. Cher may not be your choice but the woman has serious acting skill. Bosco -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
You are wrong again Mr Keith... There are only a handful of women that could share the screen with Christian Bale without seeming like some random hot chick. We are talking about actresses that can actually act Outside of Kristen Bell... The CW cannot, will not and does not create talented actresses... Get over the fact that they are hot...none of them can act... Period. c w m On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I disagree. I just used those two shows as examples, but between them there were dozens of actresses. My main point is there's a huge source of TV and movie actresses from which to pull, without only thinking of Jolie, Berry, etc. Again, i'm not even necessarily talking about the main stars of those shows. I'm thinking of the many guest stars who did a good job. That's the point: move far afield, don't just look at headliners and stars. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED]clockworkman%40gmail.com wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywo od gossip BR blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via W ENN.] Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all
Re: [scifinoir2] Prisoner Reboot Details Hinted
I was just looking for my top 100 sci fi movies of all time list... maybe ill make a top 50 sci fi tv shows... c w m On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Electic list! Well, I was going to ask if you had a list of top five scifi/spec fiction shows, and then a separate mainstream topic shows, but I see you combine the two. Indeed, only Twilight Zone on your list really spends a great deal of time in the realms we call scifi or the supernatural. Ever seen Homicide: Life on the Street? Awesome show, one of my top five easily in the non scifi genre. I hear that The Wire, done by the same people, is even better. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.Twin Peaks 2.I Love Lucy 3.Twighlight Zone 4.The Prisoner 5.The Cosby Show On 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the other four TV shows? Surely an incarnation of Star Trek is among them? -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Prisoner is in my top 5 tv shows of all time. Perfect work I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MAN!!! Classic. Be seeing you. On 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Prisoner was a very odd show. I watched it as a child, late night, all by myself. Be interesting to see how I'd like it now as an adult. I do remember that crazy white ball that trapped people sacred the heck out of me. And that tall dude in black who gassed the Prisoner in his London flat gave me the willies too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prisoner Details Hinted AMC's general manager Charlie Collier told SCI FI Wire that the cable network's upcoming reboot of the classic 1960s British SF series The Prisoner will have some familiar elements. I don't really think of it being sci-fi, but it has the elements of the Village and the gadgetry, Collier said in an interview at the Television Critics Association press tour on July 9 in Beverly Hills, Calif. Collier wouldn't reveal much more about how the show is being updated, but he offered one big spoiler: The giant white ball, Rover, will be part of the new show. Rover was a big part of the TV series; it will be part of it. We can't talk about it extensively now--it will get me in trouble, Collier said. The Prisoner, AMC's second original miniseries, combines espionage, thriller and science fiction and will star Jim Caviezel as Number Six, a part originated by Patrick McGoohan. McGoohan served as the creato r, producer, writer and director of the 1960s series. Lord of the Rings star Ian McKellen will play Number Two, Six's boss and the man who apparently controls the mysterious Village in which he is trapped. We got Jesus and Gandalf! Collier said. What better cast could we get for those two characters than Ian McKellen and Jim Caviezel? It will be a limited series, that's how we could get those guys. But it is extensive; it is six hours. Caviezel played Jesus in The Passion of the Christ and was in genre films such as The Final Cut, The Count of Monte Cristo, Frequency and the upcoming Outlander. McKellen was nominated for an Academy Award for his role as the wizard Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring and was Magneto in the X-Men movies. Collier promised that the two actors would talk about the miniseries during a future TV press tour. The Prisoner isn't on AMC's schedule until 2009. --Mike Szym a nski http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=57430 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
[scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Cher has always been too drag queeny for my taste (especially in those garish Bob Mackey gowns). That video (If I could turn back time)she did half-naked on the aircraft carrier almost made me physically ill - and that was NINETEEN years ago (when she was a mere kid of 44). Even Cher had the good sense to retire and stop doing farewell tours three years ago (although I hear she has signed a three year contract to impersonate herself in Vegas). ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
1219863315
What exactly does the term 'cougar' mean? I just saw this on a story on Yahoo about older women/younger men couples and. I've never heard the term before. Is there a older men/younger women equivalent? Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Again, you miss me sir! :) I didn't limit to the CW, I said *all* of TV and the movies: NBC, CBS, Fox, indie films, major film studios, Showtime, HBO. I only threw out Supernatural and Angel as an example. My point is that whenever we talk of someone playing a pivotal role in a movie, we talk about half a dozen or so men and women who've made it to the A-list. But then we shoehorn characters into the shapes of the actors. It doesn't have to be Jolie even discussed. Surely you're not saying that all the TV stations--again, don't just think CW--can't produce an actress good enough to play Catwoman? I have seen 'em for darn sure. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are wrong again Mr Keith... There are only a handful of women that could share the screen with Christian Bale without seeming like some random hot chick. We are talking about actresses that can actually act Outside of Kristen Bell... The CW cannot, will not and does not create talented actresses... Get over the fact that they are hot...none of them can act... Period. c w m On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I disagree. I just used those two shows as examples, but between them there were dozens of actresses. My main point is there's a huge source of TV and movie actresses from which to pull, without only thinking of Jolie, Berry, etc. Again, i'm not even necessarily talking about the main stars of those shows. I'm thinking of the many guest stars who did a good job. That's the point: move far afield, don't just look at headliners and stars. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, StreetForce1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywo od gossip BR blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
The older men/younger women equivalent is called mid life crisis. Not sure what the crisis is in dating younger women, but then...I never liked the younger woman look...even when I was young. So I guess I've always been a cougar fan. On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Meta wrote: What exactly does the term 'cougar' mean? I just saw this on a story on Yahoo about older women/younger men couples and. I've never heard the term before. Is there a older men/younger women equivalent? Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Actually the older man/younger woman thing is called normal. Ever glom many movies or TV sitcoms? How often do you see an older and/or plain looking guy paired with a younger, more attractive woman? From Newhart to King of Queens to Yes, Dear and According to Jim, you get older dudes with yiounger women. The dudes are often out of shape, overweight, balding. Old. The women, younger, in shape. When's the last time Jack Nicholson had a love interest his age, other than the movie with Dianne Keaton where it was a novelty? Even Denzel Washington has gotten some young women in some recent flicks. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] The older men/younger women equivalent is called mid life crisis. Not sure what the crisis is in dating younger women, but then...I never liked the younger woman look...even when I was young. So I guess I've always been a cougar fan. On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Meta wrote: What exactly does the term 'cougar' mean? I just saw this on a story on Yahoo about older women/younger men couples and. I've never heard the term before. Is there a older men/younger women equivalent? Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
I am always fixated on some foxy sex symbol. But that's not what my casting choice is about. It's about the fact that eventually Catwoman and Batman become romantically involved...if they stay in Dark Knight mode. there is a chemistry that should be interesting to watch on screen. What you are describing is Angelica Houston as Catwoman, which is interesting, I think, but not great opposite Christian Bale. Your Catwoman is really brilliant, but power-mad and stylistically challenged...sort of Condoleeza Rice without the government contacts. Then something happens and she snaps and takes on the personality of the cats she was surrounded with. I'm gonna go with the foxy sex symbol. And I'm not being age-ist. I'm being look-ist! On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Omari Confer wrote: What it seems like to me Mr. Lockhart is that you are fixated on the idea of Catwoman being this foxy...sex symbol. Cher is a sex symbol but her persona on screen would come accross as very unsettling... not even playing a cougar but a Kiss of the Spiderwoman/Black Widow kind of Catwoman. Think of this scifinoir folks... When you think of a woman with alot of cats you think of a very insular and lonely individual. What if this person had some kind of influence...or power over people? Creepy, scary...Nolan c w m On 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the Hollywood saying goes...Ben Affleck has an Oscar. And then you're supposed to roll your eyes. We all have opinions about good actors/actresses, they are all correct, and I apologize to anyone I have offended by saying that Cher is a bad choice. But in terms of this project, Cher is a bad choice for Catwoman. If we're gonna pull people who gave great acting performances 20 years ago let's just go get Catherine Mary Stewart for the role. Cher has not made me believe she was anyone but Cher in any role she has ever played. She is a movie star, yes. And a famous one. And a talented performer. I like her, but this role is very specific. This ain't 1986 when you can just get a famous person and put them in the outfit. hey have to be able to pull it off. For me, for THIS ROLE: No way, No how. No Cher. ;) Daryle On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Bosco Bosco wrote: --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. Dude Say what you want about Cher but you can't complain about her acting. She's won an Academy award and been nominated at least two times. Her performances in Mask and Silkwood are TOP NOTCH. Cher may not be your choice but the woman has serious acting skill. Bosco -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
[scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/01/marion-cotillards-911- a_n_89398.html Oscar-winning Marion Cotillard was facing embarrasment with her new American public last night after it emerged that she doubted the official account of the September 11 attacks. The 32-year-old French star has swept this year's best actress awards, also receiving a Bafta, Golden Globe and a César for her performance as singer Edith Piaf in La Vie en Rose... But the actress faces a potential backlash in the US over comments she made in an interview in France. Footage which surfaced on the internet showed her questioning the New York terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and the 1969 moon landing. I think we're lied to about a number of things, she said, singling out September 11. Referring to the two passenger jets flown into the World Trade Centre, Miss Cotillard said: We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there [New York], in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed. Miss Cotillard suggested that the towers, planned in the early 1960s, were an outdated money sucker which would have cost so much to modernise that it was easier to destroy them. advertisement Turning to America's space programme, she said: Did a man really walk on the moon? I saw plenty of documentaries on it, and I really wondered. And in any case I don't believe all they tell me, that's for sure. Miss Cotillard, who was born and brought up in Paris, made the comments on Paris Première - Paris Dernière (Paris First - Paris Last), a programme first broadcast a year ago. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with not doing some CW hot body of the moment, but there are some good actresses in other TV shows. What did Cotillard say about 9/11? I've been meaning to see the movie she starred in. She was a surprise Oscar winner for that, no? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] At least he isn't picking someone from the hot CW show of the moment. There was some fanart that had Marion Cotillard from La Vie En Rose as Catwoman. An insprired choice but not likely considering her 9/11 comments. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I don't see McClure as Catwoman at all, but I applaud your approach, which is to avoid going for big name stars--whatever their age. No Jolie, or Anniston, no Kidman or Paltrow or anyone else currently or recently on the A- list right now. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart daryle@ We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From:
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Amazing, that she might catch flak for saying what millions of others are saying, *have* been saying for years now. Heck, I just left as forum where the question was posed, for the umpteen-billionth time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 3:46 PM http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2008/03/01/ marion-cotillard s-911- a_n_89398.html Oscar-winning Marion Cotillard was facing embarrasment with her new American public last night after it emerged that she doubted the official account of the September 11 attacks. The 32-year-old French star has swept this year's best actress awards, also receiving a Bafta, Golden Globe and a César for her performance as singer Edith Piaf in La Vie en Rose... But the actress faces a potential backlash in the US over comments she made in an interview in France. Footage which surfaced on the internet showed her questioning the New York terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and the 1969 moon landing. I think we're lied to about a number of things, she said, singling out September 11. Referring to the two passenger jets flown into the World Trade Centre, Miss Cotillard said: We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there [New York], in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed. Miss Cotillard suggested that the towers, planned in the early 1960s, were an outdated money sucker which would have cost so much to modernise that it was easier to destroy them. advertisement Turning to America's space programme, she said: Did a man really walk on the moon? I saw plenty of documentaries on it, and I really wondered. And in any case I don't believe all they tell me, that's for sure. Miss Cotillard, who was born and brought up in Paris, made the comments on Paris Première - Paris Dernière (Paris First - Paris Last), a programme first broadcast a year ago. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: I agree with not doing some CW hot body of the moment, but there are some good actresses in other TV shows. What did Cotillard say about 9/11? I've been meaning to see the movie she starred in. She was a surprise Oscar winner for that, no? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith daikaiju66@ ... At least he isn't picking someone from the hot CW show of the moment. There was some fanart that had Marion Cotillard from La Vie En Rose as Catwoman. An insprired choice but not likely considering her 9/11 comments. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I don't see McClure as Catwoman at all, but I applaud your approach, which is to avoid going for big name stars--whatever their age. No Jolie, or Anniston, no Kidman or Paltrow or anyone else currently or recently on the A- list right now. -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart daryle@ We should keep in mind that Christian Bale was a great casting choice, but have we forgotten that Katie Holmes was also in the first picture and they didn't do THAT great a job at replacing her in the second. Nolan's eye is clearly better for men. Cher is a bad choice. Cher is not jumping off nobody's damn building with a whip, nobody's going to believe it. And that's that. I'm totally prepared to take the beatdown that will come after I say this, but this is Kandyse McClure's role all day. Catwoman has to look good in the suit, and out of the suit...and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM, B. Smith wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com,
1219869256
Whew, rave. I thought that was just me in the almost-vomiting department. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 2:48 PM Cher has always been too drag queeny for my taste (especially in those garish Bob Mackey gowns). That video (If I could turn back time)she did half-naked on the aircraft carrier almost made me physically ill - and that was NINETEEN years ago (when she was a mere kid of 44). Even Cher had the good sense to retire and stop doing farewell tours three years ago (although I hear she has signed a three year contract to impersonate herself in Vegas). ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ ... wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
1219869875
I ahve two problems with the ten foods listed.Tomatoes and I have *never* been on the same page. (Or in the same region of spacetime, for that matter. Just don't like the things.) And grapefruit is strictly contra-indicated against two of the meds I take. Used to eat one a day, until I began having what I called "brain-saute" incidents. Not incapacitating to me, because I have a tolerance for pain that would make most Gitmo interrogators weep, but bothersome when I'm trying to work/function.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 Foods that Keep Your Arteries CleanTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 11:38 AM 10 Foods that Keep Your Arteries Cleanby www.SixWise. com Your arteries are blood vessels that transport oxygen and nutrients from your heart to the rest of your body. In order for this important process to occur, your arteries should be flexible, strong, elastic and clear of any deposits. All fruits and vegetables are said to help prevent heart disease, but certain varieties (like apples) pack a particularly powerful punch. However, over time deposits of fatty substances, cholesterol, cellular waste products, calcium and other substances can build up in your arteries. These plaques can severely restrict blood flow and, even more seriously, they can cause your arteries to rupture, leading to blood clots. Blood clots can then block your blood flow entirely, leading to heart attack and stroke. In fact, a build-up of plaques in your arteries, known as atherosclerosis, is the main underlying cause of heart disease. So keeping your arteries clean is not only a key part of your heart health, it's a key to your health overall. While exercising on most days of the week is an excellent way to keep your arteries healthy, your diet also plays a major role. Here we've identified 10 foods that are especially adept at helping to keep your arteries clean. Grapefruit: It contains a type of fiber called pectin, which has been shown in animal studies to slow down the progression of atherosclerosis. Green Tea: This healthy beverage contains procyanidins, which have been found to help prevent blood clots and promote healthy endothelium (the tissues that lines blood vessels and your heart). Apples: Apples (particularly Red Delicious and Granny Smith) are also rich in procyanidins. Garbanzo beans: Garbanzo beans contain both soluble and insoluble dietary fiber, which help to remove cholesterol- containing bile from your body. They are also known to help prevent heart disease. Become Empowered: Chart Your Health Do you want to: Find out the actual nutritional deficiencies that exist in your body, right now? Be empowered to do something positive for your health? Receive customized recommendations for dietary supplements and meal plans? United Medical Network will chart your current health state and provide you with a customized solution. Start ChartingYour Health Now! Olive oil: Using olive oil as your exclusive source of oil may cut your risk of coronary heart disease almost in half, according to the CARDIO2000 case-control study, published in Clinical Cardiology. Meanwhile, studies show that particles of LDL (bad) cholesterol that contain monounsaturated fats (found in olive oil) are less likely to become oxidized. This is important because only oxidized cholesterol is able to stick to your artery walls and form plaques. Spinach: This leafy green contains both vitamin C and vitamin A, which team up to prevent cholesterol from becoming oxidized (and thereby helping to prevent plaques from forming in your arteries). Salmon: Salmon is rich in omega-3 fats, which make blood less likely to clot inside arteries and prevent cholesterol from becoming damaged or oxidized. Choose wild-caught salmon (instead of farm-raised) for the most benefits. Tomatoes: Tomatoes are rich in lycopene, an antioxidant that may make LDL cholesterol much less susceptible to becoming oxidized -- again, this is the first step in the formation of plaque formation and is a major risk factor for heart disease. Swiss Chard: Swiss chard is an excellent source of the antioxidant vitamin E, which helps prevent free radicals from oxidizing cholesterol. Eating a diet rich in vitamin E has been shown to significantly reduce the risk of developing atherosclerosis. Garlic: Garlic helps your heart and arteries in numerous ways, including: A dinner of salmon and spinach will give you plenty of
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar
I *know*! Only in H'Wood... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 10:04 AM Epic Movie lampooned Harry Potter and Hogwarts and they even used the character names. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Martin truthseeker_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Puh-LEEZE! It's called *parody*, people. And I've seen worse rips at the Potter franchise on Cartoon Network- a-HA. I've figured it out. Warner's *isn't getting paid for this*... http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. Subject: [scifinoir2] Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 6:58 AM courant.com/ entertainment/ movies/hc- ap-harrypotterha riputtar- 0826,0,2348165. story Courant.com Suit Pits Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar From Wire Reports August 27, 2008 Click here to find out more! Harry Potter studio Warner Bros. is suing an Indian film company over the title of upcoming film Hari Puttar — A Comedy Of Terrors, according to the Hollywood Reporter. Warner Bros. says the name is too similar to that of its megahit franchise. A spokesman confirmed the lawsuit against Mumbai-based Mirchi Movies. The case is reportedly due to be heard in Bombay High Court. The film is due to open in India on Sept. 12. Warner Bros. values and protects intellectual property rights, Warner Bros. spokeswoman Deborah Lincoln told the Reporter. However, it is our policy not to discuss publicly the details of any ongoing litigation. Hari is a popular Indian name, while Puttar means son in Punjabi. Hari Puttar, directed by Rajesh Bajaj and Lucky Kohli, stars Zain Khan as Hari alongside veteran Bollywood actor Jackie Shroff. Hari Puttar tells of a 10-year-old boy who moves to England with his parents and becomes involved in a plot concerning a secret microchip and is set for a Sept. 12 release in India. Munish Purii, the chief executive of Mirchi Movies, said we registered the 'Hari Puttar' title in 2005, and it's unfortunate that Warner has chosen to file a case so close to our film's release. Copyright © 2008, The Hartford Courant
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar
And, slow person that I am, I jsut realized why CN got away with its repeated parodies. CN in a division of TimeWarner. Martin (will be in corner, being fitted for dunce cap) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 10:04 AM Epic Movie lampooned Harry Potter and Hogwarts and they even used the character names. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Martin truthseeker_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Puh-LEEZE! It's called *parody*, people. And I've seen worse rips at the Potter franchise on Cartoon Network- a-HA. I've figured it out. Warner's *isn't getting paid for this*... http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. Subject: [scifinoir2] Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 6:58 AM courant.com/ entertainment/ movies/hc- ap-harrypotterha riputtar- 0826,0,2348165. story Courant.com Suit Pits Harry Potter Vs. Hari Puttar From Wire Reports August 27, 2008 Click here to find out more! Harry Potter studio Warner Bros. is suing an Indian film company over the title of upcoming film Hari Puttar — A Comedy Of Terrors, according to the Hollywood Reporter. Warner Bros. says the name is too similar to that of its megahit franchise. A spokesman confirmed the lawsuit against Mumbai-based Mirchi Movies. The case is reportedly due to be heard in Bombay High Court. The film is due to open in India on Sept. 12. Warner Bros. values and protects intellectual property rights, Warner Bros. spokeswoman Deborah Lincoln told the Reporter. However, it is our policy not to discuss publicly the details of any ongoing litigation. Hari is a popular Indian name, while Puttar means son in Punjabi. Hari Puttar, directed by Rajesh Bajaj and Lucky Kohli, stars Zain Khan as Hari alongside veteran Bollywood actor Jackie Shroff. Hari Puttar tells of a 10-year-old boy who moves to England with his parents and becomes involved in a plot concerning a secret microchip and is set for a Sept. 12 release in India. Munish Purii, the chief executive of Mirchi Movies, said we registered the 'Hari Puttar' title in 2005, and it's unfortunate that Warner has chosen to file a case so close to our film's release. Copyright © 2008, The Hartford Courant
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
Gymfig, not nearly as nutty as the Numbers 1 2 men in the Guv'mint right now... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 9:31 AM In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:28:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: Why isn't the mainstream media talking about speeches from Dennis Kucinich and Montana governor Brian Schweitzer. They got bigger reactions than Ed Rendell and Mark Warner. Becuase both of them are nuts. Especially Kucinich. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
Keith, odds are I was wiped off that list a long time ago, with all of the run-ins I've had with the FBI and HomeInsec. I'm keeping this e-mail, because I don't think I've ever mentioned the tale of my cross with HomeInsec, and I'm pressed for time right now. Within two days, I promise. And I may scare folks away from ever using their PCs again by the time I'm done... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Tue, 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 10:24 PM oh, so you're just *now* proud to be an American? Well, one more name to scratch off the list of eligible Presidential candidates. (And don't feel lonely: my e-mails to this group alone would ban me from running for Prez for this and several other lives!) -- Original message -- From: Martin truthseeker_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I believe that it was. After hearing that, now I *am* proud to be an American. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Tue, 8/26/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 11:43 AM Amen, Brother! I also got misty-eyed when Michelle Obama was preceeded by that fine video retrospective, narrated by her mother's tremulous voice. Did I hear it was produced by Ken Burns? -- Original message -- From: Martin truthseeker_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] com And, on an entirely serious note, I admit freely that I cried like a newborn during Senator Kennedy's speech. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Mon, 8/25/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:25 PM We had the same experience, then. I was on CNN, went into the kitchen, realized Obama's sister wasn't being covered, and also, caught Carter's interview on PBS. That sold me. I've been increasingly dissatisfied with most news channels recently, populated as they are with large panels of analysts who have to shout over each other to get their five seconds' worth of TV time. PBS is intelligent, concise, and feels so much more relaxing. What a wonder not to suffer through people shouting over each other! -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I started with CNN on the HD TV. But when I went into the kitchen to prepare my dinner, and didn't find the convention on any of the network channels, I turned to PBS and stayed with PBS the rest of the evening. No commercials, intelligent, concise commentary, and an interview with Jimmy Carter, the greatest ex-president of all time, it don't get much better than that! Truly enjoyed the whole Michelle Obama segment from the video about her mother and father to her brother's introduction through her bringing her elegant and delightful daughters up on stage to Obama congratulating her via videotape. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: What station are you watching to cover the Democratic National Convention? As usual, I started out with CNN, but frankly that station's been disappointing me recently. Mayb e it started when t hey started hiring the likes of Pat Buchanan for equal time. Maybe it's the Glenn Becks and other shrill loudmouths they brought on to answer the call of Fox's shrill loudmouths. Maybe it's that all the anchors and hosts have to pimp themselves out by saying the best political team on television all the time; again, in homage to Fox. Or maybe it's just the fact that I'm tired of the same old group of people talking all the time. Whatever. I just noticed that everytime I turned to CNN, Wolf Blitzer or Anderson Cooper or someone was yammering on about polls and strategies, pulling out the fancy electronic maps and fancy computer tricks, while in the background stuff was going on I wanted to *see*. I was really upset when Obama's sister spoke and CNN focused on Wolf Blitzer, while her voice co uld barely be heard in the background. Then Wolf threw out the Best Political Team on Television and they cut to commercia l . So, as I f ind myself doing more and more recently, I turned to PBS and Jim Lehrer's group. There I got to see Obama's sister speak in entirety. I got professional, level-headed analysis by professional people, without shouting, loudtalking and posing for the camera. I got to listen to analysts actually get more than hurry up you have five seconds before
Re: [scifinoir2] Prisoner Reboot Details Hinted
Keith, it never did bother me at all. You're considering moving far, far away from Atlanta now, aren't you? ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Tue, 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Prisoner Reboot Details Hinted To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:25 PM I really have to revisit that show as an adult so I can get past the weirdness as all... -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer clockworkman@ gmail.com The Prisoner is in my top 5 tv shows of all time. Perfect work I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MAN! !! Classic. Be seeing you. On 8/26/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: The Prisoner was a very odd show. I watched it as a child, late night, all by myself. Be interesting to see how I'd like it now as an adult. I do remember that crazy white ball that trapped people sacred the heck out of me. And that tall dude in black who gassed the Prisoner in his London flat gave me the willies too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. com Prisoner Details Hinted AMC's general manager Charlie Collier told SCI FI Wire that the cable network's upcoming reboot of the classic 1960s British SF series The Prisoner will have some familiar elements. I don't really think of it being sci-fi, but it has the elements of the Village and the gadgetry, Collier said in an interview at the Television Critics Association press tour on July 9 in Beverly Hills, Calif. Collier wouldn't reveal much more about how the show is being updated, but he offered one big spoiler: The giant white ball, Rover, will be part of the new show. Rover was a big part of the TV series; it will be part of it. We can't talk about it extensively now--it will get me in trouble, Collier said. The Prisoner, AMC's second original miniseries, combines espionage, thriller and science fiction and will star Jim Caviezel as Number Six, a part originated by Patrick McGoohan. McGoohan served as the creato r, producer, writer and director of the 1960s series. Lord of the Rings star Ian McKellen will play Number Two, Six's boss and the man who apparently controls the mysterious Village in which he is trapped. We got Jesus and Gandalf! Collier said. What better cast could we get for those two characters than Ian McKellen and Jim Caviezel? It will be a limited series, that's how we could get those guys. But it is extensive; it is six hours. Caviezel played Jesus in The Passion of the Christ and was in genre films such as The Final Cut, The Count of Monte Cristo, Frequency and the upcoming Outlander. McKellen was nominated for an Academy Award for his role as the wizard Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring and was Magneto in the X-Men movies. Collier promised that the two actors would talk about the miniseries during a future TV press tour. The Prisoner isn't on AMC's schedule until 2009. --Mike Szym a nski http://www.scifi. com/scifiwire/ index.php? category= 0id=57430 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- cwm blog http://centralheati ngblog.blogspot. com STRING THEORY http://www.stringth eory.mypodcast. com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Late presentation of the First Laugh of the Day Award goes to...rave! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Tue, 8/26/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 7:09 PM Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ ... wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ ... Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
1219871369
In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:53:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gymfig, not nearly as nutty as the Numbers 1 2 men in the Guv'mint right now... Nutt that he can not get elected. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
I completely forgot about that plum assignment, rave. Is it possible to use negative numbers in ratings? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Tue, 8/26/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:56 PM His mother? Gloria Vanderbilt? The heiress blue jeans lady? Do you totally dismiss the street cred he gained from hosting The Mole? (I gleefully remember Cooper's total disdain for MTV's Alison Stewart when they co-hosted ABC Overnight back in the day (me, I always thought Stewart was hot - especially with her glasses on). ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Martin truthseeker_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't even *mention* AC in my presence, please. What kind of journalistic credibility has he ever had? heck, his *only* pedigree comes from his mother. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Tue, 8/26/08, B. Smith daikaiju66@ ... wrote: From: B. Smith daikaiju66@ ... Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:19 AM CNN is gag inducing. They have become Fox-lite and it's sad. Blitzer is a self important windbag, Anderson Cooper is becoming a troll and the rest is even worse. I watched MSNBC's coverage which was ok with the exception of Buchanan's racist babblings disguised as commentary. But Eugene Robinson, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman more than kept him in check. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Martin truthseeker_ 013@ wrote: And, on an entirely serious note, I admit freely that I cried like a newborn during Senator Kennedy's speech. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Mon, 8/25/08, KeithBJohnson@ ... KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ ... KeithBJohnson@ ... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:25 PM We had the same experience, then. I was on CNN, went into the kitchen, realized Obama's sister wasn't being covered, and also, caught Carter's interview on PBS. That sold me. I've been increasingly dissatisfied with most news channels recently, populated as they are with large panels of analysts who have to shout over each other to get their five seconds' worth of TV time. PBS is intelligent, concise, and feels so much more relaxing. What a wonder not to suffer through people shouting over each other! -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I started with CNN on the HD TV. But when I went into the kitchen to prepare my dinner, and didn't find the convention on any of the network channels, I turned to PBS and stayed with PBS the rest of the evening. No commercials, intelligent, concise commentary, and an interview with Jimmy Carter, the greatest ex-president of all time, it don't get much better than that! Truly enjoyed the whole Michelle Obama segment from the video about her mother and father to her brother's introduction through her bringing her elegant and delightful daughters up on stage to Obama congratulating her via videotape. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: What station are you watching to cover the Democratic National Convention? As usual, I started out with CNN, but frankly that station's been disappointing me recently. Maybe it started when t hey started hiring the likes of Pat Buchanan for equal time. Maybe it's the Glenn Becks and other shrill loudmouths they brought on to answer the call of Fox's shrill loudmouths. Maybe it's that all the anchors and hosts have to pimp themselves out by saying the best political team on television all the time; again, in homage to Fox. Or maybe it's just the fact that I'm tired of the same old group of people talking all the time. Whatever. I just noticed that everytime I turned to CNN, Wolf Blitzer or Anderson Cooper or someone was yammering on about polls and strategies, pulling out the fancy electronic maps and fancy computer tricks, while in the background stuff was going on I wanted to *see*. I was really upset when Obama's sister spoke and CNN focused on
Re: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Bosco, for myself, it was pure instinct. The thought of her in the role is just too much to bear, for some reason. She's a fine actress, but I just don't see her in this role. And that video for If I Could Turn Back Time... the less said, the better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:32 PM I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ gmail.com wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ gmail.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
The only reason that Kucinich isn't still in the running is because he's not photogenic enough. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 5:09 PM In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:53:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, truthseeker_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: Gymfig, not nearly as nutty as the Numbers 1 2 men in the Guv'mint right now... Nutt that he can not get elected. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
In a message dated 8/27/2008 4:20:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only reason that Kucinich isn't still in the running is because he's not photogenic enough. He is a ugly and has crazy views about the government. Nobody will vote for him. Just like no one will vote for Ron Paul. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
I like the Cher in Witches of Eastwick, that Nicolas Cage Flick, Mask, etc. That Drag Queen, plastic surgery woman terrified me From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? Whew, rave. I thought that was just me in the almost-vomiting department. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 2:48 PM Cher has always been too drag queeny for my taste (especially in those garish Bob Mackey gowns). That video (If I could turn back time)she did half-naked on the aircraft carrier almost made me physically ill - and that was NINETEEN years ago (when she was a mere kid of 44). Even Cher had the good sense to retire and stop doing farewell tours three years ago (although I hear she has signed a three year contract to impersonate herself in Vegas). ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ ... wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Now you have the idea... I am assuming that Nolan will ignore the relationship between the Bat and the Cat... I hope so...its been done well already... On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I am always fixated on some foxy sex symbol. But that's not what my casting choice is about. It's about the fact that eventually Catwoman and Batman become romantically involved...if they stay in Dark Knight mode. there is a chemistry that should be interesting to watch on screen. What you are describing is Angelica Houston as Catwoman, which is interesting, I think, but not great opposite Christian Bale. Your Catwoman is really brilliant, but power-mad and stylistically challenged...sort of Condoleeza Rice without the government contacts. Then something happens and she snaps and takes on the personality of the cats she was surrounded with. I'm gonna go with the foxy sex symbol. And I'm not being age-ist. I'm being look-ist! On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Omari Confer wrote: What it seems like to me Mr. Lockhart is that you are fixated on the idea of Catwoman being this foxy...sex symbol. Cher is a sex symbol but her persona on screen would come accross as very unsettling... not even playing a cougar but a Kiss of the Spiderwoman/Black Widow kind of Catwoman. Think of this scifinoir folks... When you think of a woman with alot of cats you think of a very insular and lonely individual. What if this person had some kind of influence...or power over people? Creepy, scary...Nolan c w m On 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the Hollywood saying goes...Ben Affleck has an Oscar. And then you're supposed to roll your eyes. We all have opinions about good actors/actresses, they are all correct, and I apologize to anyone I have offended by saying that Cher is a bad choice. But in terms of this project, Cher is a bad choice for Catwoman. If we're gonna pull people who gave great acting performances 20 years ago let's just go get Catherine Mary Stewart for the role. Cher has not made me believe she was anyone but Cher in any role she has ever played. She is a movie star, yes. And a famous one. And a talented performer. I like her, but this role is very specific. This ain't 1986 when you can just get a famous person and put them in the outfit. hey have to be able to pull it off. For me, for THIS ROLE: No way, No how. No Cher. ;) Daryle On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Bosco Bosco wrote: --- On *Wed, 8/27/08, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote:and, uhm, whoever it is, will be in scenes with Bale. they should be able to ACT. cher is a HORRIBLE choice. Dude Say what you want about Cher but you can't complain about her acting. She's won an Academy award and been nominated at least two times. Her performances in Mask and Silkwood are TOP NOTCH. Cher may not be your choice but the woman has serious acting skill. Bosco -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
What I meant to say is that there are only a handful of women that have the acting chops to be opposite Bale on TV or in movies Honestly though...the only tv actresses that could do such a thingare movie stars... so I challenge you go give me 5 actresses that could hold their own with Bale... CHALLENGE On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, you miss me sir! :) I didn't limit to the CW, I said *all* of TV and the movies: NBC, CBS, Fox, indie films, major film studios, Showtime, HBO. I only threw out Supernatural and Angel as an example. My point is that whenever we talk of someone playing a pivotal role in a movie, we talk about half a dozen or so men and women who've made it to the A-list. But then we shoehorn characters into the shapes of the actors. It doesn't have to be Jolie even discussed. Surely you're not saying that all the TV stations--again, don't just think CW--can't produce an actress good enough to play Catwoman? I have seen 'em for darn sure. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are wrong again Mr Keith... There are only a handful of women that could share the screen with Christian Bale without seeming like some random hot chick. We are talking about actresses that can actually act Outside of Kristen Bell... The CW cannot, will not and does not create talented actresses... Get over the fact that they are hot...none of them can act... Period. c w m On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I disagree. I just used those two shows as examples, but between them there were dozens of actresses. My main point is there's a huge source of TV and movie actresses from which to pull, without only thinking of Jolie, Berry, etc. Again, i'm not even necessarily talking about the main stars of those shows. I'm thinking of the many guest stars who did a good job. That's the point: move far afield, don't just look at headliners and stars. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont think any other the actors from Angel or Supernatural have the gravitas to act in this movie. The girlfriend role had to be someone that could act as a peer and not a subordinate to the playboy Wayne character. On 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the point I keep making, especially points 2 and 3. I think the focus on who the next Batman villain (and actor or actress playing him or her) is the wrong focus. Now the movie's more about the villain, the actor who gets the role, and that performance. It should be about the *story*, how will Nolan resolve teh end of two, with Batman not in a good place. And, what villian(s) would enhance that story, not who or what the fans want, or who'd be cool. Do the story first, find the villain that fills that story, and then find the actor who plays that villain best. That's who we got Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow, definitely not mainstream villains, and how Nolan resisted the pull to make Joker the villain in the first flick. Jolie would overshadow the role by virtue of who she is, and then we're back to that stunt casting I hate. I feel the same about Katie Holmes and Maggie Gillenhaal. They were chosen more for being known, in my opinion, than for being perfect for the roles. I can think of half a dozen actresses who've appeared on shows like Angel or Supernatural who would have been better fits. -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jolie is 1. Great actor but overly sexual and would basically be the conceptual next step in the same direction for Catwoman 2. A star that is bigger than just about every movie she is in. She would eclipse whatever character she plays and any of her co-stars. 3. The best actors in Nolans Batman all played supporting roles. She would have to play maybe Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (think Drew Barrymore) and have maybe 3 scenes. 4. Cost too much. On 8/27/08, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to wait and see how this all plays out. I would love to see the true dynamic she would bring but my vote is still for Angelina Jolie. Cher isn't even on my voting ticket for this movie. But I'm sure they won't waste any time cranking out another movie since the box office is about to get very dry. Cause looking at the fall movie preview there is nothing I want to see at all. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED]clockworkman%40gmail.com wrote: You see folks...thats the point. She will make a perfect Catwoman. Her persona is uncommonly creepy and vain...perfect for a Nolan catwoman... i say thumbs up.. c w m On 8/25/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh, the horror! ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
It was quite moving. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, on an entirely serious note, I admit freely that I cried like a newborn during Senator Kennedy's speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On *Mon, 8/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:25 PM We had the same experience, then. I was on CNN, went into the kitchen, realized Obama's sister wasn't being covered, and also, caught Carter's interview on PBS. That sold me. I've been increasingly dissatisfied with most news channels recently, populated as they are with large panels of analysts who have to shout over each other to get their five seconds' worth of TV time. PBS is intelligent, concise, and feels so much more relaxing. What a wonder not to suffer through people shouting over each other! -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I started with CNN on the HD TV. But when I went into the kitchen to prepare my dinner, and didn't find the convention on any of the network channels, I turned to PBS and stayed with PBS the rest of the evening. No commercials, intelligent, concise commentary, and an interview with Jimmy Carter, the greatest ex-president of all time, it don't get much better than that! Truly enjoyed the whole Michelle Obama segment from the video about her mother and father to her brother's introduction through her bringing her elegant and delightful daughters up on stage to Obama congratulating her via videotape. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: What station are you watching to cover the Democratic National Convention? As usual, I started out with CNN, but frankly that station's been disappointing me recently. Maybe it started when t hey started hiring the likes of Pat Buchanan for equal time. Maybe it's the Glenn Becks and other shrill loudmouths they brought on to answer the call of Fox's shrill loudmouths. Maybe it's that all the anchors and hosts have to pimp themselves out by saying the best political team on television all the time; again, in homage to Fox. Or maybe it's just the fact that I'm tired of the same old group of people talking all the time. Whatever. I just noticed that everytime I turned to CNN, Wolf Blitzer or Anderson Cooper or someone was yammering on about polls and strategies, pulling out the fancy electronic maps and fancy computer tricks, while in the background stuff was going on I wanted to *see*. I was really upset when Obama's sister spoke and CNN focused on Wolf Blitzer, while her voice co uld barely be heard in the background. Then Wolf threw out the Best Political Team on Television and they cut to commercial. So, as I f ind myself doing more and more recently, I turned to PBS and Jim Lehrer's group. There I got to see Obama's sister speak in entirety. I got professional, level-headed analysis by professional people, without shouting, loudtalking and posing for the camera. I got to listen to analysts actually get more than hurry up you have five seconds before we go to commercial, and actually get time to talk in full conversations, without being rushed. I got intelligence with PBS, while my beloved CNN gave me more surface and posturing. So it's PBS that'll be my source for the rest of the DNC this week. What are you using for your source? -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
RE: [scifinoir2] 10 Foods that Keep Your Arteries Clean
I quite understand. I can't eat tomatoes, either, and I found out that most Blood type A people have trouble with them. www.dadamo.com. I'm good with grapefruit, but it's also contraindicated for a couple of meds that I take, too. Bottom line...we each have to be careful with our individual stuff, but there are some things that are ok for us... _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 10 Foods that Keep Your Arteries Clean I ahve two problems with the ten foods listed. Tomatoes and I have *never* been on the same page. (Or in the same region of spacetime, for that matter. Just don't like the things.) And grapefruit is strictly contra-indicated against two of the meds I take. Used to eat one a day, until I began having what I called brain-saute incidents. Not incapacitating to me, because I have a tolerance for pain that would make most Gitmo interrogators weep, but bothersome when I'm trying to work/function. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 Foods that Keep Your Arteries Clean To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 11:38 AM 10 Foods that Keep Your Arteries Clean by www.SixWise. http://www.sixwise.com/ com Your arteries are blood vessels that transport oxygen and nutrients from your heart to the rest of your body. In order for this important process to occur, your arteries should be flexible, strong, elastic and clear of any deposits. fruits and vegetables http://www.sixwise.com/images/articles/2008/08/27/9910826.thb.jpg All fruits and vegetables are said to help prevent heart disease, but certain varieties (like apples) pack a particularly powerful punch. However, over time deposits of fatty substances, cholesterol, cellular waste products, calcium and other substances can build up in your arteries. These plaques can severely restrict blood flow and, even more seriously, they can cause your arteries to rupture, leading to blood clots. Blood clots can then block your blood flow entirely, leading to heart attack and stroke. In fact, a build-up of plaques in your arteries, known as atherosclerosis, is the main underlying cause of heart disease. So keeping your arteries clean is not only a key part of your heart health, it's a key to your health overall. While exercising on most days of the week is an excellent way to keep your arteries healthy, your diet also plays a major role. Here we've identified 10 foods that are especially adept at helping to keep your arteries clean. 1. Grapefruit: It contains a type of fiber called pectin, which has been shown in animal studies to slow down the progression of atherosclerosis. 2. Green Tea: This healthy beverage contains procyanidins http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/06/06/procyanidin-why-this-tannin-kee ps-your-arteries-flexible-and-blood-pressure-low-and-the-best-sourc.htm , which have been found to help prevent blood clots and promote healthy endothelium (the tissues that lines blood vessels and your heart). 3. Apples: Apples (particularly Red Delicious and Granny Smith) are also rich in procyanidins. 4. Garbanzo beans: Garbanzo beans http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/10/31/garbanzo-beans.htm contain both soluble and insoluble dietary fiber http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/06/01/fiber_everything_you_need_to_kn ow_including_the_best_fiber_sources_and_more.htm , which help to remove cholesterol- containing bile from your body. They are also known to help prevent heart disease. Become Empowered: Chart Your Health http://chartingyourhealth.com/home_symptoms.htm Chart Your Health Do you want to: * Find out the actual nutritional deficiencies that exist in your body, right now? * Be empowered to do something positive for your health? * Receive customized recommendations for dietary supplements and meal plans? United Medical Network will chart your current health state and provide you with a customized solution. Start Charting http://chartingyourhealth.com/home_symptoms.htm Your Health Now! 5. Olive oil: Using olive oil as your exclusive source of oil may cut your risk of coronary heart disease almost in half, according to the CARDIO2000 case-control study, published in Clinical Cardiology. Meanwhile, studies show that particles of LDL (bad) cholesterol that contain monounsaturated fats (found in olive oil) are less likely to become oxidized. This is important because only oxidized cholesterol is able to stick to your artery walls and form plaques. 6. Spinach: This leafy green contains both vitamin C and vitamin A, which team up to
1219877558
Okay, she's gone a long way toward redeeming herself. Hillary Clintion--after several states yielded to New York--spoke for her state and the convention, asking that Barak Obama be declared the candidate by acclamation, which just took place. Good move, good move. Although...I must admit I was enjoying the long, drawn out nomination speeches from each state's delegates. Always fun to hear The Great State of so-and-so brag about their luminaries, their weather, their role in the Revolutionary War, whatever. Now, let's see if Bill can swallow that anger and bring it like his wife did. Seeing as Hillary has her eye to the future, you best believe she's told Bill not to screw this up for her by giving the slightest reason for people to blame them if Obama were to lose. I think Billy Boy will schmooze and dissemble with the best of 'em tonight!
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
I admit that I, too, am flabbergasted by this, Keith. Maybe she's picked up something along the road in the past few weeks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 6:52 PM Okay, she's gone a long way toward redeeming herself. Hillary Clintion--after several states yielded to New York--spoke for her state and the convention, asking that Barak Obama be declared the candidate by acclamation, which just took place. Good move, good move. Although...I must admit I was enjoying the long, drawn out nomination speeches from each state's delegates. Always fun to hear The Great State of so-and-so brag about their luminaries, their weather, their role in the Revolutionary War, whatever. Now, let's see if Bill can swallow that anger and bring it like his wife did. Seeing as Hillary has her eye to the future, you best believe she's told Bill not to screw this up for her by giving the slightest reason for people to blame them if Obama were to lose. I think Billy Boy will schmooze and dissemble with the best of 'em tonight!
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
In a message dated 8/27/2008 6:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit that I, too, am flabbergasted by this, Keith. Maybe she's picked up something along the road in the past few weeks. It is all for show. She want those keep h Senate seat and move on up. It is all politics. The Party does not want to lose all of those angry black voters. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
B, I look at kooky as one of the hallmarks of higher intelligence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 9:52 AM I thought Kucinich was dead on in his criticism of the pharmaceutical industry and their influence on modern health care was spot on and most of the folks in the hall did as well. The man may be kooky but his speech was very, very good. Schweitzer was a great hype man. LOL. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:28:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. writes: Why isn't the mainstream media talking about speeches from Dennis Kucinich and Montana governor Brian Schweitzer. They got bigger reactions than Ed Rendell and Mark Warner. Becuase both of them are nuts. Especially Kucinich. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 00047)
[scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
Even though I don't personally find her attractive, I enjoyed Cher's work in Mask,Mermaids,Witches of Eastwick, 'Moonstruck, and Silkwood, but her entire filmography is only 12 films long and more than half of her cinematic output is not noteworthy - to be charitable. Add in the fact that she hasn't had a film role in 18 years and it makes you wonder why Nolan is dusting off this relic. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the Cher in Witches of Eastwick, that Nicolas Cage Flick, Mask, etc. That Drag Queen, plastic surgery woman terrified me From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? Whew, rave. I thought that was just me in the almost-vomiting department. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 2:48 PM Cher has always been too drag queeny for my taste (especially in those garish Bob Mackey gowns). That video (If I could turn back time)she did half-naked on the aircraft carrier almost made me physically ill - and that was NINETEEN years ago (when she was a mere kid of 44). Even Cher had the good sense to retire and stop doing farewell tours three years ago (although I hear she has signed a three year contract to impersonate herself in Vegas). ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ ... wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
yeah, man. I think she--and Bill--picked up that whether Obama wins or loses, what they do this year and this week determines their own futures. It's no joke that a lot of Blacks (me included) are incensed at the not-so-subtle racism the Clintons--who were givent the title of honorary Blacks--used against Obama. It's less about even supporting Obama and more about the tricks they used. And I've heard a lot of Blacks saying that if she didn't do everythig in her power to make up for that, if Obama lost, they'd hold her and Bill responsible. Right or wrong, that's the way it is. And as time's gone on, they've realized it's not just Blacks, but many younger whites who don't have a sense of history and loyalty with the Clintons. If Hillary runs in four years or tries to run in even eight years, for newer generations she and Bill will be a part of history. And how would they like part of that historic legacy to be that's the lady who helped shoot down the first serious Black presidenti al candidate. and she's old too. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I admit that I, too, am flabbergasted by this, Keith. Maybe she's picked up something along the road in the past few weeks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 6:52 PM Okay, she's gone a long way toward redeeming herself. Hillary Clintion--after several states yielded to New York--spoke for her state and the convention, asking that Barak Obama be declared the candidate by acclamation, which just took place. Good move, good move. Although...I must admit I was enjoying the long, drawn out nomination speeches from each state's delegates. Always fun to hear The Great State of so-and-so brag about their luminaries, their weather, their role in the Revolutionary War, whatever. Now, let's see if Bill can swallow that anger and bring it like his wife did. Seeing as Hillary has her eye to the future, you best believe she's told Bill not to screw this up for her by giving the slightest reason for people to blame them if Obama were to lose. I think Billy Boy will schmooze and dissemble with the best of 'em tonight!
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
Right on, but such is the nature of politics. If Barak can hold his tongue at some of the nastiness and racism she leveled his way--while he never used the admittedly existent sexism that exists against her--then it's the least she and Bill can do. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/27/2008 6:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit that I, too, am flabbergasted by this, Keith. Maybe she's picked up something along the road in the past few weeks. It is all for show. She want those keep h Senate seat and move on up. It is all politics. The Party does not want to lose all of those angry black voters. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
I agree. I look at some of the so-called establishment leaders, and they're some combination of racist, ignorant, criminal, stupid, clueless, elitist (the old fashioned definition, i.e. filthy rich), closet gays who condemn homosexuality on Sunday, bribe takers and givers-- and Kucinich is kooky? If that's kooky, I say let's have more of it. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] B, I look at kooky as one of the hallmarks of higher intelligence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 9:52 AM I thought Kucinich was dead on in his criticism of the pharmaceutical industry and their influence on modern health care was spot on and most of the folks in the hall did as well. The man may be kooky but his speech was very, very good. Schweitzer was a great hype man. LOL. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:28:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. writes: Why isn't the mainstream media talking about speeches from Dennis Kucinich and Montana governor Brian Schweitzer. They got bigger reactions than Ed Rendell and Mark Warner. Becuase both of them are nuts. Especially Kucinich. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 00047)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
In a message dated 8/27/2008 7:24:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree. I look at some of the so-called establishment leaders, and they're some combination of racist, ignorant, criminal, stupid, clueless, elitist (the old fashioned definition, i.e. filthy rich), closet gays who condemn homosexuality on Sunday, bribe takers and givers-- And Obama picked one as his VP **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
That's my thoughts exactly. What I saw Clintion was in a no-win situation. It has now dawn on her that thanks to her primary actions she either has to help Obama win the election-even if it means she'll never have a decent shot of running for president. Or killing her political career, and her chance of holding her senate seat by either doing nothing, or harming Obama's chance of winning it. So she had to hit one out of the park. But now she has to make sure that Obama wins the nod or many will blame his loss on her and endure the backlash. Which will probally end her senate career. -GTW In a message dated 8/27/08 7:41:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/27/2008 6:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit that I, too, am flabbergasted by this, Keith. Maybe she's picked up something along the road in the past few weeks. It is all for show. She want those keep h Senate seat and move on up. It is all politics. The Party does not want to lose all of those angry black voters. ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
In a message dated 8/27/2008 7:22:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . If Barak can hold his tongue at some of the nastiness and racism she leveled his way-- That is how he got the nomination. while he never used the admittedly existent sexism that exists against her--then it's the least she and Bill can do. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
In a message dated 8/27/2008 7:21:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: used against Obama. It's less about even supporting Obama and more about the tricks they used. And I've heard a lot of Blacks saying that if she didn't do everythig in her power to make up for that, if Obama lost, they'd hold her and Bill responsible. Right or wrong, that's the way it is. And as time's gone on, they've realized it's not just Blacks, but many younger whites who don't have a sense of history and loyalty with the Clintons. If Hillary runs in four years or tries to run in even eight years, for newer generations she and Bill will be a part of history. And how would they like part of that historic legacy to be that's the lady who helped shoot down the first serious Black presi dential candidate. and she's old too. All those whites who toke african american studies course and have half black kids always get offended and act as if they understand. At the end of the day, being the first black means nothing to me. It is all liberal potlics that seems to end up hurtig blacks in the end. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
In a message dated 8/27/2008 7:39:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's my thoughts exactly. What I saw Clintion was in a no-win situation. It has now dawn on her that thanks to her primary actions she either has to help Obama win the election-even if it means she'll never have a decent shot of running for president. Or killing her political career, and her chance of holding her senate seat by either doing nothing, or harming Obama's chance of winning it. So she had to hit one out of the park. But now she has to make sure that Obama wins the nod or many will blame his loss on her and endure the backlash. Which will probally end her senate career. This is what I am tired of . I am tired of the Everything is racist. Poor Obama. I saw him in the debates with Hillary. He was horrible. However black peole were crying racism. I saw him at Saddleback. McCain was great. You can't blame that on racism. Minoriites have been force feed that nothing is there fault. It is all the racist system. Now you have all of these so called white liberals who feel proud they are not racist like their parents. We can all be stupid toghet. Give me a break. Take teen pregnacy. It used to be a black problem:. Now it is a white problem and is acceptable. You have all of these dolllars going in to stop it in the black community. However it is ballooning in the white community. When will Obama tell whites to get their act together. He won't . He will say that peopel must work together to stop problems. It will be accpetable becuse he is a Bill Cosby type of person. John McCain says the same thing and he is labeled a racist. This has NOT helped. People need to sop looking at race and look at the problem. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
well, I like Biden. Not my best, favorite choice, but I'm cool with him. His work with Civil and women's rights has been good, and I like much of his foreign policy attitude. not perfect, but he'll do -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/27/2008 7:24:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree. I look at some of the so-called establishment leaders, and they're some combination of racist, ignorant, criminal, stupid, clueless, elitist (the old fashioned definition, i.e. filthy rich), closet gays who condemn homosexuality on Sunday, bribe takers and givers-- And Obama picked one as his VP It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
Yep. And listening to her speech last night, and Bill's speech tonight, and watching the amazing fervor and charisma all of the primaries bring--Michell, Hillary, Bill--makes me a bit sad. It makes me wish it *could* have been possible for the Clintons and Obamas to run together on the same ticket. What a power, what a force they could have been. But, despite what they're doing now, Bill and Hillary have shown that they're too prideful and self-absorbed to ever be second fiddle. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's my thoughts exactly. What I saw Clintion was in a no-win situation. It has now dawn on her that thanks to her primary actions she either has to help Obama win the election-even if it means she'll never have a decent shot of running for president. Or killing her political career, and her chance of holding her senate seat by either doing nothing, or harming Obama's chance of winning it. So she had to hit one out of the park. But now she has to make sure that Obama wins the nod or many will blame his loss on her and endure the backlash. Which will probally end her senate career. -GTW In a message dated 8/27/08 7:41:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/27/2008 6:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit that I, too, am flabbergasted by this, Keith. Maybe she's picked up something along the road in the past few weeks. It is all for show. She want those keep h Senate seat and move on up. It is all politics. The Party does not want to lose all of those angry black voters. ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:29:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, despite what they're doing now, Bill and Hillary have shown that they're too prideful and self-absorbed to ever be second fiddle. Obama said the same thing **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:26:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well, I like Biden. Not my best, favorite choice, but I'm cool with him. His work with Civil and women's rights has been good, and I like much of his foreign policy attitude. not perfect, but he'll do He is a safe white man that allows racist to fel comfotabe to vote for a black man. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
Well, you're entitled to that opinion for sure. Speaking as a liberal, I'm heartened by a return to more liberal thinking. If it means we can look at people as people, instead of using sexual orientation and ethnicity as scare tactics, I'm all for it. If we can respect anyone whether they're Christian, Muslim, Jew, or atheist, then color me liberal. If we can return to a world where we talk with other nations and make decisions with them rather than try to push them around, then sign me up. If we can use thoughtful consideration rather than charging in with guns blazing, then sing hallelujah. If we can bring back to reality the moral Judeo-Christian points conservatives noise about, but then ignore--the rights to privacy, respect of all races and religions, loving and helping the less fortunate--then by all means, liberalism come back! And I get that just throwing a Black face in office isn't in and of itself enough. After all, two of the worst, most destructive people in recent history--Clarence Thomas and Condie Rice-are Black. But symbols are powerful.Taking a step is powerful. Opening a door is powerful. And putting a man --or woman, someday--of color in the highest office in the land is a powerful symbol. It will change us in ways we don't even comprehend right now. It won't be the Second Coming, but it will move us forward as a nation, a people, if only a little bit. Just as you and I benefited from our parents and grandparents being the first on a job, the first in a neighborhood, the first in a church, the first to vote, then we'll all benefit from the right man being the first to take the leadership of this country. In my humble opinion. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/27/2008 7:21:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: used against Obama. It's less about even supporting Obama and more about the tricks they used. And I've heard a lot of Blacks saying that if she didn't do everythig in her power to make up for that, if Obama lost, they'd hold her and Bill responsible. Right or wrong, that's the way it is. And as time's gone on, they've realized it's not just Blacks, but many younger whites who don't have a sense of history and loyalty with the Clintons. If Hillary runs in four years or tries to run in even eight years, for newer generations she and Bill will be a part of history. And how would they like part of that historic legacy to be that's the lady who helped shoot down the first serious Black presi dential candidate. and she's old too. All those whites who toke african american studies course and have half black kids always get offended and act as if they understand. At the end of the day, being the first black means nothing to me. It is all liberal potlics that seems to end up hurtig blacks in the end. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
Maybe, but he never resorted to the nasty, name-calling, baiting, disparaging, disrespectful tactics the Clintons did. When Hillary was belittling him as nothing but a one-speech guy, who was respectfully disagreeing with her. when she shot nasty and really angry comments at him during their debates, he acted with calm and class and made his point, firmly. And I believe that had he lost, he'd have been out there doing his level best to help the Clintons win, despite how they treated him. What did Hillary and Bill do at first? Acted like poor losers, dropped out of sight, Bill going so far as to leave the country rather than be asked to campaign for Obama. They're getting their stuff together now, but it took a while. I say this as someone who liked Hillary long past the point when many men and women hated her, who defended many of her deeds as just tough politics, who sat in indecision for long moments in the booth here in Atlanta before finally casting my vote for Obama. I don't have a problem with her as a woman or anything like that. I just have a problem with the way they let their campaign against Obama degenerate. They messed up big, and everyone seems to realize that, them included. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:29:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, despite what they're doing now, Bill and Hillary have shown that they're too prideful and self-absorbed to ever be second fiddle. Obama said the same thing It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
come, on. No true racist is going to vote for Obama just because his number two is a white guy. Biden will help bring in those on the fence who doubt Obama's experience and foreign policy knowledge, and yes, he will comfort some whites. But bring in racists? Not gonna happen. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:26:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well, I like Biden. Not my best, favorite choice, but I'm cool with him. His work with Civil and women's rights has been good, and I like much of his foreign policy attitude. not perfect, but he'll do He is a safe white man that allows racist to fel comfotabe to vote for a black man. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
You're missing a huge thing here. It was Hillary who said on the record that she was the candidate of the hardworking, blue collar, Midwestern folks, who everyone--everyone--knew to be white voters. It was Bill who reached back and said Well you know, Jesse Jackson won South Carolina too, and opened that door of not-so-subtle racism. And I have to say, I don't see anyone teaching Blacks that all our problems are due to racism, that we don't have to have responsibility for ourselves. I'm successful by most standards, I've worked hard to get where I am, my parents taught me to fight and scrap and improve myself. But they also taught me that racism is real, and to fight it when I see it. And it *does* still exist in this country. Just as Blacks can't spend all time blaming racism, we'd be incautious to pretend it doesn't exist. As for Obama going after whites and telling them to get their act together, i can't really speak to that yet. I know he's angered many by his lecturing Black men to get it together, by not addressing racism overtly (something which has apparently alienated Tavis Smiley). I'm not yet sure where I stand on this. I know that he can't obtain the White House speaking the way you and I do. It sucks, but if this stupid nation is still questioning Michelle because she made the completely understandable statement that she was really proud of America, if they deem not wearing a flag pin a sign of treason, then I think they'd never put a Black man in office who tells it fully like it is. It makes me somewhat ill to even say this, but he does have to walk a fine line here. Has he gone too far? I don't know, not sure, but I'm willing to give him a chance. I'd rather have a careful Black man like Obama who at least *acknowledges* that America is racist, than a sellout like Clarence Thomas who pr etends it isn't, or a clueless codger like McCain who has about as much in common with me and my life as I do with a ant. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/27/2008 7:39:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's my thoughts exactly. What I saw Clintion was in a no-win situation. It has now dawn on her that thanks to her primary actions she either has to help Obama win the election-even if it means she'll never have a decent shot of running for president. Or killing her political career, and her chance of holding her senate seat by either doing nothing, or harming Obama's chance of winning it. So she had to hit one out of the park. But now she has to make sure that Obama wins the nod or many will blame his loss on her and endure the backlash. Which will probally end her senate career. This is what I am tired of . I am tired of the Everything is racist. Poor Obama. I saw him in the debates with Hillary. He was horrible. However black peole were crying racism. I saw him at Saddleback. McCain was great. You can't blame that on racism. Minoriites have been force feed that nothing is there fault. It is all the racist system. Now you have all of these so called white liberals who feel proud they are not racist like their parents. We can all be stupid toghet. Give me a break. Take teen pregnacy. It used to be a black problem:. Now it is a white problem and is acceptable. You have all of these dolllars going in to stop it in the black community. However it is ballooning in the white community. When will Obama tell whites to get their act together. He won't . He will say that peopel must work together to stop problems. It will be accpetable becuse he is a Bill Cosby type of person. John McCain says the same thing and he is labeled a racist. This has NOT helped. People need to sop looking at race and look at the problem. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:40:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, you're entitled to that opinion for sure. Speaking as a liberal, I'm heartened by a return to more liberal thinking. If it means we can look at people as people, instead of using sexual orientation and ethnicity as scare tactics, I'm all for it. If we can respect anyone whether they're Christian, Muslim, Jew, or atheist, then color me liberal. If we can return to a world where we talk with other nations and make decisions with them rather than try to push them around, then sign me up. And I get that just throwing a Black face in office isn't in and of itself enough. After all, two of the worst, most destructive people in recent history--Clarence Thomas and Condie Rice-are Black. But symbols are powerful.Taking a step is powerful. Opening a door is powerful. And putting a man --or woman, someday--of color in the highest office in the land is a powerful symbol. It will change us in ways we don't even comprehend right now. It won't be the Second Coming, but it will move us forward as a nation, a people, if only a little bit. Just as you and I benefited from our parents and grandparents being the first on a job, the first in a neighborhood, the first in a church, the first to vote, then we'll all benefit from the right man being the first to take the leadership of this country. In my humble opinion. Keith, Notihing is ever humble with you. I live in a traditional blue state. However they baneed gay marriege. Tehre are alot of blue states out there that don't like gay marriage. You live in a Hollywood world. A word were it is black or white. Either or. If you are against this, then you are racist. If you are for this, then you are okay. I am against illegal immigration. I am against having more Asians come over here. I think that a lack of rules is the problem in our society. Howeve I am not an Evangelical Christian. I despise them by the way. I am not to found of Christianity but I don't believe it should be vilified while other religons are celebrated. I don't think that IR are well help race relations. Actually I am not worried about race relations. I am worried about myself. I think that blaks spend way to much time worried about race and not about themselves as individuals. I think tthat they are too scared to be individuals. This country is not ready for a woman president. As long as this country focuses on race, a woman president will not happen. Therefore it will not happen. Unless the woman is non white or married to a non whte man. Bros before Hoes Mammy Nutcracker Bitch White Bitch These are terms that are acceptable acros racial and gender lines. It will not change with Obama. This country is moving forwad. However groups have to face responsibility. They chose not too because the media says it is not their fault. Slavery is the problem. Immigration. Racist white men are al the problem. Government programs are the solution. How can you be a progressive when you are told that nothing is ever your fault. You don't have to take the blame. The meida vilifies any person of color who does not fall into the victim hood category especially african americans. Obama is an excpetion. He is not a typical black person. He works hard. He is an immigrant. He does not have the stain of slavery. How can you be proud of that? Blacks have allowed liberals to feed them self doubt for too long. Yes Obama is exceptional. However why has it take us so long to believe it. That was not Bush, it was ourselves. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're missing a huge thing here. It was Hillary who said on the record that she was the candidate of the hardworking, blue collar, Midwestern folks, who everyone--everyone--knew to be white voters. So if Obama tsaid that he was getting the liberal white and black votes would you have been happy. It was Bill who reached back and said Well you know, Jesse Jackson won South Carolina too, It was true. Obama won in a place with alot of blacks. and opened that door of not-so-subtle racism. And I have to say, I don't see anyone teaching Blacks that all our problems are due to racism, that we don't have to have responsibility for ourselves. Everything seems to be due to racism on this list. Watch tv and movies. Read book after book after book about the effects of slaver. I'm successful by most standards, I've worked hard to get where I am, my parents taught me to fight and scrap and improve myself. But they also taught me that racism is real, and to fight it when I see it. And it *does* still exist in this country. Just as Blacks can't spend all time blaming racism, we'd be incautious to pretend it doesn't exist. True As for Obama going after whites and telling them to get their act together, i can't really speak to that yet. I know he's angered many by his lecturing Black men to get it together, He should have gone after black women. Because it takes two make a baby and birth control is an option. He would have upset whtie women. The black man jab was to make sure that white men would vote for him. by not addressing racism overtly (something which has apparently alienated Tavis Smiley). I'm not yet sure where I stand on this. I know that he can't obtain the White House speaking the way you and I do. It sucks, but if this stupid nation is still questioning Michelle because she made the completely understandable statement that she was really proud of America, if they deem not wearing a flag pin a sign of treason, then I think they'd never put a Black man in office who tells it fully like it is. It makes me somewhat ill to even say this, but he does have to walk a fine line here. Has he gone too far? He needs to convince whites. That is why he picked a WHITE MALE in Biden. He needs to reassure white America where he stand.s He has the black vote lockeed up. Look at the way AA treated that woman on CNN last night. Again with the mammy images. I don't know, not sure, but I'm willing to give him a chance. I'd rather have a careful Black man like Obama who at least *acknowledges* that America is racist, than a sellout like Clarence Thomas w ho pretends it isn't, or a clueless codger like McCain who has about as much in common with me and my life as I do with a ant. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
1219889851
In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:56:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe, but he never resorted to the nasty, name-calling, baiting, disparaging, disrespectful tactics the Clintons did. No he had his rotweiler Clyburn and other blacks do it. He had those who hated Hilary do it. When Hillary was belittling him as nothing but a one-speech guy, who was respectfully disagreeing with her. when she shot nasty and really angry comments at him during their debates, Please I watched those debates. She did not let him get away with anything. She cam out swinging. He never fought back. He played the meek nice guy care. If the moderater talked about his problems, people felt sorry for him. *gag* he acted with calm and class and made his point, firmly. And I believe that had he lost, he'd have been out there doing his level best to help the Clintons win, despite how they treated him. What did Hillary and Bill do at first? Acted like poor losers, dropped out of sight, Bill going so far as to leave the country rather than be asked to campaign for Obama. They're getting their stuff together now, but it took a while. I say this as someone who liked Hillary long past the point when many men and women hated her, who defended many of her deeds as just tough politics, who sat in indecision for long moments in the booth here in Atlanta before finally casting my vote for Obama. I don't have a problem with her as a woman or anything like that. I just have a problem with the way they let their campaign against Obama degenerate. They messed up big, and everyone seems to realize that, them included. That is why I am voting McCain. There is nothing Hilary can not and say to make me vote for that man. She had it in her grasp and she lost it. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Are You Watching to Cover the DNC?
In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:58:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: come, on. No true racist is going to vote for Obama just because his number two is a white guy. Biden will help bring in those on the fence who doubt Obama's experience and foreign policy knowledge, and yes, he will comfort some whites. But bring in racists? Not gonna happen Yes he will. A white man is safe. No one is going to vote for a Black man and a woman. No matter what her race is. You need a white man. Richardson is horrible but America wll not vote for a hispanc and a black. Biden will help him because he comes from a working class, Catholic family. He screams white male. There is no secret. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Wow--Hillary Moves for Barak by Acclamation
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is why I am voting McCain. Refresh my memory - how does McCain's position on abortion stop teenage pregnancy? How do you defend McCain's intent to continue the disasterous policies that have emptied our treasury and dangerously eroded our stature in the world? How does McCain's intent to continue tax cuts for the rich, which have shamelessly widened the gap between rich and poor in this country, help the fifty percent of black people who have yet to participate in the American dream? How can you rail against rich, white elitists and then turn around and vote for the richest, whitest elitist? You have posted so many contrary, nonsensical things to this list (and I wish I had a nickle for every one of them) that it is truly amazing to see you surpass yourself with this bizarre stream of rhetorical nonsense. ~(no)rave!
[scifinoir2] Cher's wacky backstage demands
Check out the rider on Cher's touring contract: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/cher/cher1.html Before wowing audiences with her warbling and ass tattoos, Cher likes to chill out watching movies on cable (don't laugh--it's not like she requested Lifetime or Oxygen TV). Backstage, Cher shares space with her wig room and one Dr. Stacey, and needs special tissues, black Solo cups, and lilies. And don't even think of asking her to wear one of those laminated tour passes. (4 pages)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman?
I find her incredibly attractive, but I sense that she'd be difficult to hang out with... -See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 7:01 PM Even though I don't personally find her attractive, I enjoyed Cher's work in Mask,Mermaids, Witches of Eastwick, 'Moonstruck, and Silkwood, but her entire filmography is only 12 films long and more than half of her cinematic output is not noteworthy - to be charitable. Add in the fact that she hasn't had a film role in 18 years and it makes you wonder why Nolan is dusting off this relic. ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the Cher in Witches of Eastwick, that Nicolas Cage Flick, Mask, etc. That Drag Queen, plastic surgery woman terrified me From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? Whew, rave. I thought that was just me in the almost-vomiting department. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 2:48 PM Cher has always been too drag queeny for my taste (especially in those garish Bob Mackey gowns). That video (If I could turn back time)she did half-naked on the aircraft carrier almost made me physically ill - and that was NINETEEN years ago (when she was a mere kid of 44). Even Cher had the good sense to retire and stop doing farewell tours three years ago (although I hear she has signed a three year contract to impersonate herself in Vegas). ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups. com ups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ ... wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups. com ups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups. com ups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
1219900288
In a message dated 8/27/2008 11:16:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Refresh my memory - how does McCain's position on abortion stop teenage pregnancy? How do you defend McCain's intent to continue the disastrous policies that have emptied our treasury and dangerously eroded our stature in The world? How does McCain's intent to continue tax cuts for the rich, which have shamelessly widened the gap between rich and poor in this country, help the fifty percent of black people who have yet to participate in the American dream? How can you rail against rich, white elitists and then turn around and vote for the richest, whitest elitist? I believe that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. I believe that teens should be taught abstinence. I don't believe that McCain will continue the same policies that George Bush has laid out. He is not Bush. IT was the cuts, reforms and tax cuts that helped the economy. I rail against rich white elitists. They are present in both parties. Those in the Democratic party hide behind race, gender and are social programs that hurt America. They hide behind the same special interest groups and lobbyist that Republicans share. It is easy the condemn the Republicans but not the Democrats. America will not be free unless all groups are stop. Something a Washington outsider cannot and will not do. **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
Re: [scifinoir2] Cher's wacky backstage demands
Contract riders are the best entertainment ever. I once helped a friend with a show at a nightclub in Dallas for Laibach, an Eastern European Industrial Band. Among other things they demanded multiple cases of liquor, a keg of imported beer, lights that literally would have lit up a NFL stadium and my personal favorite item ever: THREE STUFFED STAGS HEADS. You can't make up stuff like that Bosco --- On Wed, 8/27/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's wacky backstage demands To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 11:41 PM Check out the rider on Cher's touring contract: http://www.thesmoki nggun.com/ backstagetour/ cher/cher1. html Before wowing audiences with her warbling and ass tattoos, Cher likes to chill out watching movies on cable (don't laugh--it's not like she requested Lifetime or Oxygen TV). Backstage, Cher shares space with her wig room and one Dr. Stacey, and needs special tissues, black Solo cups, and lilies. And don't even think of asking her to wear one of those laminated tour passes. (4 pages)
1219901204
You really, really need to check your facts. Clyburn was on the fence for months. Like many blacks in this country (me included) he was leaning toward Hillary Clinton. But Obama's success, coupled with the Clinton's increasingly hostile and dirty tactics, made him lean toward Obama. I watched Clyburn in a live interview say that he called Bill Clinton personally to tell him he was going with Obama, and Clinton cussed at him. I heard Richardson say Clinton went off on him. Hell, Teddy Kennedy said the Clintons went off on him too. John Lewis here in Atlanta called to tell them, and he too said it didn't go well. I liked and like Bill and Hillary, but they did this to themselves. You call Clyburn a dog, but it was the Clintons who acted like brutes, cursing and threatening and attacking people for having the temerity to back someone else. Tonight at the DNC, Clyburn said he liked the Clintons, still likes the Clintons. I have no problem with them, he said.He then said he still fel t some of their comments could have been interpreted as racist, but that he still had no enduring problem with them. How is that the posture of an angry dog? And I'm really, really confused. What did Obama do to Hillary? How can you in the same night attack Obama and men for a sexist plot against Hillary, then say she came out swinging and he was meek. She lost this fight, and you are saying you'll never vote for him. You are Black right? Then tell me how a respectful Black man like Obama who speaks with nothing but respect for women is worse than McCain, who called his wife the c-word in public? Tell me how you have contempt for Obama who has an intelligent, educated wife who I believe will bring more respect to the First Lady, while going with don't-say-too-much Cindy McCain? You're entitled to your opinion, that's the American way. But if I could understand it as something other than an odd hatred of Obama, or men, or Black men--or all three--that'd be nice. If you think a white multi-millionaire like john McCain who supported a senseless invasion that will cost us trillions is better for you than a Black man who understands the struggles of being both Black and not wealthy, that's your right. I'm tired, mad at myself for staying up this late and doing this instead of writing or job searching. But I say again--and finally--you seem to have a lot of hostility. I've read all your posts, and they seem to have a common theme of hatred for men, hatred for Black men, and contempt for Black people who dare say the world's not fair to them. i just don't get it. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/27/2008 8:56:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe, but he never resorted to the nasty, name-calling, baiting, disparaging, disrespectful tactics the Clintons did. No he had his rotweiler Clyburn and other blacks do it. He had those who hated Hilary do it. When Hillary was belittling him as nothing but a one-speech guy, who was respectfully disagreeing with her. when she shot nasty and really angry comments at him during their debates, Please I watched those debates. She did not let him get away with anything. She cam out swinging. He never fought back. He played the meek nice guy care. If the moderater talked about his problems, people felt sorry for him. *gag* he acted with calm and class and made his point, firmly. And I believe that had he lost, he'd have been out there doing his level best to help the Clintons win, despite how they treated him. What did Hillary and Bill do at first? Acted like poor losers, dropped out of sight, Bill going so far as to leave the country rather than be asked to campaign for Obama. They're getting their stuff together now, but it took a while. I say this as someone who liked Hillary long past the point when many men and women hated her, who defended many of her deeds as just tough politics, who sat in indecision for long moments in the booth here in Atlanta before finally casting my vote for Obama. I don't have a problem with her as a woman or anything like that. I just have a problem with the way they let their campaign against Obama degenerate. They messed up big, and everyone seems to realize that, them included. That is why I am voting McCain. There is nothing Hilary can not and say to make me vote for that man. She had it in her grasp and she lost it. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
1219902083
You tend to get personal with people, Gymfig. Why is that? I disagree with you, but I don't get personal and say stuff like nothing is ever humble with you. That's insulting. You don't know me on the level to say I'm never humble. I think Tracey and Martin and many people in this group--with whom I've had civil discussions--would tell you i'm not arrogant, self-righteous, or intractable in my opinions. And the more I read, this, the more I don't get your statement that I only see people as racist or not racist, with me or against me. I've never said anyting to even remotely convey that opinion. I'm the son of a man who had an eighth grade education, who dropped out of school to work the family farm. My dad enlisted for WWII, was discharged due to medical issues, and worked odd jobs for years in a racist Texas. He and my mom adopted me when I was a young child, sparing me the life of an orphan. Dad was a minister, a barber, and worked double shifts at Bell Helicopter to support me and my two brothers. My mom was a church going woman who ran the household and made sure we had clothes to wear, food to eat, and a solid education. My family lived in a really small house, never owned a brand new car, always had to shop for the bargains. I know where I come from, i'm proud of it, and, if one can be arrogant in humility, I can say you can't get much more humble than I am. But I'm not a dunce, have opinions, and just beause I disagree with you, please don't say stuff like that. I don't want to say this, but you honestly strike me as someone who dislikes Black people, and Black men in particular. I notice that you speak with contempt-not disagreement, but contempt--whenever racism is mentioned. Rather than agree that racism still exists, and then say something like but it isn't our only problem (which all of us would agree on) you put down all Black people as seeking to be victims. I have a college degree in Electrical Engineering, was valedictorian of my high school, president of my college EE society, and currently work as a senior network administrator. I've worked my butt off to get where I am, and I didn't sit back and blame the world for all my problems. But I know racism exists because I've fought it. I've worked in HR before, and I know the racism still in existence in hiring and promotions in America. I've seen it. I'm successful by most standards, and I never let anything hold me down, but I know racism has made things harder for me than for m y white friends with whom i grew up. Yes there are issues of poverty, drugs, crime, lack of education, disintegration of the family, but racism still exists. I face it everyday in the good old Georgia white men at my job who would *never* vote for a Black man. It is one of a list of problems we face. i don't even see anyone in this group always crying racism first. We know Black people need to be self-reliant, take care of our kids, make a way in the world. We know it ain't all about racism. But you always take the truth of racism--even when it's only one part of a much more complex discussion--and rake us over the coals for that. Why is that? We don't use racism as a crutch, but we'd be fools to ignore it completely. Even if we were leaning on racism too much, you're like the person who helps someone when he's down by kicking them. Yelling at me, insulting me, denouncing all Blacks as wannabe victims, demeaning men--these aren't ways to help anyone listen to your point of view. Also, what is your deal with men? I've noticed over and over and over that you seize on stuff and start this women can't make it work because of men talk. Frankly, you cry sexism way more than anyone in this group has ever cried racism. It's like this thing with Obama. You keep saying he's just a man, and that Hillary as a woman never had a chance. You find all these examples of how sexism keeps women down. You diminish the accomplishment of a man of color as nothing, as if only a woman president would have any meaning. Well, first, unlike you do us, I won't rake you over the coals for decrying sexism. I know it exists too, my wife's struggles in this country are proof of that. But just like racism can't be blamed for everything, neither can sexism. Hillary Clinton lost in large part because she ran a poorly executed campaign. Just Monday I listened to a panel discussion of Dems and Republicans discuss what happened. They spoke of how Clinton arrogantly ignored the Iowa Caucus, while Obama pressed the flesh, visited diners, and clocked untold hours there. Edwards did the same thing, which is why she came in third. No one to blame but herself. You're telling me a lily white Midwestern state like that is more sexist than it is racist? Nope. Later, Clinton went after the bigger prizes, the states with more delegates, and again, virtually ignored the small states, the onesie-twosies beneath her notice. Obama, again, was
