[scifinoir2] lead actor bows out of Tintin; Gets new Backer
Tintin Update Sony in talks to co-finance; lead actor bows out. by Jim Vejvoda http://movies.ign.com/email.html November 3, 2008 - Sony Pictures is reportedly in talks to co-finance Tintin http://movies.ign.com/objects/374/374102.html , a 3D performance-capture and live-action collaboration between Oscar-winning directors Steven http://stars.ign.com/objects/916/916595.html Spielberg and Peter http://stars.ign.com/objects/912/912159.html Jackson. Universal Pictures passed on funding half of the first of two proposed Tintin movies last month. The first film's budget of about $130 million is not exceptionally large by contemporary standards. But Mr. Spielberg and Mr. Jackson, as two of the industry's most prestigious directors, were demanding nearly a third of the movie's gross receipts - terms that proved difficult at a time when studios were tightening belts, according to http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/01/business/media/01tintin.html?_r=1scp=1s q=Tintinst=cseoref=slogin The New York Times. Paramount later offered to make the movie on terms it found more favorable, but the directors' representatives pressed for alternatives. Sony offered to take the movie under a deal more to the filmmakers' liking, but Paramount was reluctant to let go entirely and began discussing a partnership, according to one of the people briefed on the discussions. Sony will reportedly distribute Tintin internationally and Paramount will handle domestic distribution and in certain English-speaking territories. DreamWorks will no longer be associated with the project. Spielberg will direct the first Tintin, which is slated for a 2010 release, while Jackson will helm the sequel. Variety suggests that the third proposed film has been scrapped. Variety adds actor Thomas Sangster http://stars.ign.com/objects/142/14242486.html , who had been cast as the titular young Belgian reporter, dropped out when production, which had been slated for this fall, was delayed as a result of the financing falling through. Tintin is an adaptation of Georges Remi's classic comic strip.
[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By http://search.ew.com/EWSearch/ew/search/search.html?type=ew:Nicole+Sperling ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20197922,00.html Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,276445,00.html Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001160,00.html for the sequel. And reports that Don http://www.ew.comhttp:/popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.htm l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2750,00.html 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2024,00.html . More than Jeff http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001002,00.html Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2121,00.html And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,645687,00.html went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.html Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-2-terr.html Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man
[scifinoir2] Re: Short film: Anneo's Song (completed)
Here you go Grayson, try this link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GIOSMJZjzc Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The link didn't work for me :( Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Short film: Anneo's Song (completed) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 4:57 AM Hello folks, I hope that all is well...Heres the link to the completed horror short Anneo's Song that I wrote and produced a few months back.enjoy. ... link: http://myspacetv. com/index. cfm?fuseaction= vids.individualvideoid=45675015 Said Said Yenga Kakese Dibinga Director General The Bayindo Group SA POB 1782 Los Angeles, CA 90078 O: 1.323.603.8380 F: 1.323.389.0667 M: 1.323.822.8764 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Personal Website: www.saiddibinga. com Yahoo IM:skdibinga
[scifinoir2] Road to Perdition Sequels
Road to Perdition Sequels Two follow-ups announced to the acclaimed comic-to-film. by Jim Vejvoda http://movies.ign.com/email.html http://movies.ign.com/articles/926/926521p1.html November 3, 2008 - Two sequels are in the works to the acclaimed 2002 graphic novel adaptation Road to Perdition http://movies.ign.com/objects/034/034506.html , which starred Tom Hanks, Daniel Craig, Jude Law, and the late Paul Newman and was directed by Sam Mendes. An announcement picked up http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/artman2/publish/movie_news/Two-sequels-to-R oad-To-Perdition-planned-18021108.php The Hollywood News and http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/11/03/two-sequels-to-road-to-perdition-annou nced-max-allan-collins-to-direct/ MTV reveals that Perdition author Max Allan Collins http://stars.ign.com/objects/142/14295378.html will direct the two films -- Road to Purgatory http://movies.ign.com/objects/142/14295393.html and Road to http://movies.ign.com/objects/142/14295394.html Paradise -- from his own screenplay adaptations. JBM Production Company and EMO Films will produce. Road to Purgatory will be dedicated to Paul Newman. In a July 2007 posting at http://www.maxallancollins.com/news/message-2007-07-07.php FOMAC, Collins wrote, The screenplay is my own adaptation of Road to Purgatory, which we are in the early stages of attempting to mount right here in the midwest with me directing. I'm partnered with some very good people, including longtime crony Phil D., and it's an exciting venture - if we can pull off the fund-raising, it will be the most ambitious project I've ever attempted in any medium. The script was submitted to the Iowa Motion Picture Awards and won the Award of Excellence for Unproduced Screenplay. Publisher http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780060796457/Road_to_Purgatory/index.as px Harper Collins provided the following synopsis for 2004's Road to Purgatory: It's 1942, and-from the Atlantic to the Pacific-the world is torn apart. Ten years earlier Michael O'Sullivan accompanied his gangster father on the road, fleeing from the mobsters who killed his mother and young brother. After an idyllic upbringing by loving adoptive parents in a small Midwestern town, Michael is now deep in the jungles of Bataan, carrying a tommy gun like his father's, fighting the Japanese. When brutal combat unearths deep-buried feelings of violence and revenge, Michael returns to the homefront a battle-scarred veteran of twenty-two, ready to pick up his old war against the Chicago Mob. Suddenly, Michael 'Satariano' must become one of the enemy, working his way quickly up to the trusted side of Frank Nitti, Al Capone's heir, putting himself-and his soul-in harm's way. Leaving behind his heartbroken childhood sweetheart, the war hero enters a limbo of crime and corruption-his only allies: Eliot Ness, seeking one last hurrah as a gangbuster, and a lovely nightclub singer playing her own dangerous game. Even as Michael embraces his father's memory to battle the Mob from within-leaving bodies and broken lives in his wake-he finds himself sucked into the very way of life he abhors. http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780060827373/Road_to_Paradise/index.asp x Harper Collins also has a synopsis for 2005's Road to Paradise: Lake Tahoe, 1973: Michael Satariano-who as a young man fought the Capone mob in Chicago-has reached a comfortable middle age, with a loving wife at home, a talented teenage daughter in high school, and a son earning medals in Vietnam. Now running a casino for the mob, Michael thinks he's put his killing days behind him-after all, he's made a respectable life for himself and his family ... and plenty of money for the boys back in Chicago. So when godfather Sam Giancana orders him to hit a notoriously violent and vulnerable gangster, Michael refuses. But when the hit goes down anyway, Michael is framed for murder; to save his family, he must turn state's witness under the fledgling Witness Protection Program. Relocated to the supposed safety of Paradise, a tract-housing development in Arizona, Michael soon finds himself facing a wrath so cruel that even the boy raised by a hitman father is unprepared. And with his teenage daughter in tow, Michael must return to the road and a violent way of life he thought he had long left behind. image001.png
[RE][scifinoir2] Road to Perdition Sequels
(throwing up hands in disgust while walking away...) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Road to Perdition Sequels Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:00:24 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'CINQUE' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Road to Perdition Sequels Two follow-ups announced to the acclaimed comic-to-film. by Jim Vejvoda http://movies.ign.com/articles/926/926521p1.html November 3, 2008 - Two sequels are in the works to the acclaimed 2002 graphic novel adaptation Road to Perdition , which starred Tom Hanks, Daniel Craig, Jude Law, and the late Paul Newman and was directed by Sam Mendes. An announcement picked up oad-To-Perdition-planned-18021108.php The Hollywood News and nced-max-allan-collins-to-direct/ MTV reveals that Perdition author Max Allan Collins will direct the two films -- Road to Purgatory and Road to Paradise -- from his own screenplay adaptations. JBM Production Company and EMO Films will produce. Road to Purgatory will be dedicated to Paul Newman. In a July 2007 posting at FOMAC, Collins wrote, The screenplay is my own adaptation of Road to Purgatory, which we are in the early stages of attempting to mount right here in the midwest with me directing. I'm partnered with some very good people, including longtime crony Phil D., and it's an exciting venture - if we can pull off the fund-raising, it will be the most ambitious project I've ever attempted in any medium. The script was submitted to the Iowa Motion Picture Awards and won the Award of Excellence for Unproduced Screenplay. Publisher px Harper Collins provided the following synopsis for 2004's Road to Purgatory: It's 1942, and-from the Atlantic to the Pacific-the world is torn apart. Ten years earlier Michael O'Sullivan accompanied his gangster father on the road, fleeing from the mobsters who killed his mother and young brother. After an idyllic upbringing by loving adoptive parents in a small Midwestern town, Michael is now deep in the jungles of Bataan, carrying a tommy gun like his father's, fighting the Japanese. When brutal combat unearths deep-buried feelings of violence and revenge, Michael returns to the homefront a battle-scarred veteran of twenty-two, ready to pick up his old war against the Chicago Mob. Suddenly, Michael 'Satariano' must become one of the enemy, working his way quickly up to the trusted side of Frank Nitti, Al Capone's heir, putting himself-and his soul-in harm's way. Leaving behind his heartbroken childhood sweetheart, the war hero enters a limbo of crime and corruption-his only allies: Eliot Ness, seeking one last hurrah as a gangbuster, and a lovely nightclub singer playing her own dangerous game. Even as Michael embraces his father's memory to battle the Mob from within-leaving bodies and broken lives in his wake-he finds himself sucked into the very way of life he abhors. x Harper Collins also has a synopsis for 2005's Road to Paradise: Lake Tahoe, 1973: Michael Satariano-who as a young man fought the Capone mob in Chicago-has reached a comfortable middle age, with a loving wife at home, a talented teenage daughter in high school, and a son earning medals in Vietnam. Now running a casino for the mob, Michael thinks he's put his killing days behind him-after all, he's made a respectable life for himself and his family ... and plenty of money for the boys back in Chicago. So when godfather Sam Giancana orders him to hit a notoriously violent and vulnerable gangster, Michael refuses. But when the hit goes down anyway, Michael is framed for murder; to save his family, he must turn state's witness under the fledgling Witness Protection Program. Relocated to the supposed safety of Paradise, a tract-housing development in Arizona, Michael soon finds himself facing a wrath so cruel that even the boy raised by a hitman father is unprepared. And with his teenage daughter in tow, Michael must return to the road and a violent way of life he thought he had long left behind.
[RE][scifinoir2] SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership
One question. Are they watching the same shows I am, on the same kind of television? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:42:33 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com We Rate Returning SF TV Series http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20081103.html Yikes! And you think the economy is bad. Imagine being a network executive these days. Much like the vanishing honeybees, television viewers seems to have evaporated, and shows across the spectrum are struggling. In fact, the networks are bleeding as they thrash about trying to figure out how to bring viewers back to their favorite shows. In this second of two stories, we take a look at how returning SFamp;F series are doing this fall, grading them from best to worst. Ghost Hunters (SCI FI) Premiered with 2.7 million viewers. Last week, 3.2 million viewers. The future's so bright, these ghost hunters will have to wear shades. Last week our favorite ghost-hunting plumbers reached a series high, which is great news leading into their big live Halloween investigation special . And beyond spawning a successful sequel in Ghost Hunters International, SCI FI just announced it has ordered a pilot for Ghost Hunters: College Edition, in which seasoned investigators lead a group of college students in the hunt for ghosts. Can you say franchise? Or, heck, let's just have the Ghost Hunting Channel. Grade: A This story continues below the image. ghost The Ghost Hunters: Jason Hawes (left) and Grant Wilson. (Chris Kontoes for SCI FI ) Ghost Whisperer (CBS) Premiered with 9.31 million viewers. Last week, 9.95 million viewers. While the series hasn't been able to crack 10 million viewers this year, it's come close enough that it is the highest-rated series on Friday nights. And this is one of the few shows that has actually increased viewers since last year on the networks. Grade: B+ Supernatural (The CW) Premiered with 3.96 million viewers. Last week, 3.25 million viewers. Supernatural has also done well this season, increasing in total viewers from last season. This male-oriented show also has seen a dramatic increase among women 18-49, which is very good. And the show did it all in the toughest timeslot on television. Grade: B Smallville (The CW) Premiered with 4.38 million viewers. Last week, 4.22 million viewers. Down a bit from last season, Smallville is still looking like a champ, compared with The CW's other low-rated programming. It may not be as shiny as it once was, but what show would be as it delves into its eighth season? Ratings should be good enough for another year--if The CW doesn't collapse completely. It's unlikely the network will find another show that can be competitive on Thursday nights with viewers as loyal as those for Smallville. Grade: B- This story continues below the image. smallville Tom Welling as Clark Kent in Smallville. (Michael Courtney for The CW) Heroes (NBC) Premiered with 9.89 million viewers. Last week, 8.46 million viewers. How the mighty have fallen. While Heroes premiered last year with 16.97 million viewers, the series has taken a significant hit. One bright spot is that the show does very well in DVR viewings later in the week. The bad news is that most of those people don't watch commercials. It's doubtful Heroes is in danger of cancellation at this point, but the show's hit status has vanished. Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Chuck (NBC) Premiered with 6.48 million viewers. Last week, 6.7 million viewers. You've got to love a show about a sweet and adorable nerd who ends up accidentally becoming a spy, and NBC loved it enough in its second season to give it a full-season pickup before it even premiered. Unfortunately, viewers have not been flocking to the series, which is down significantly from last year, and if NBC didn't have other problems, Chuck would be in big trouble. Grade: C- Eli Stone (ABC) Premiered with 8.82 million viewers. Last week, 8.51 million viewers. Poor Eli Stone! So far it's having a great season creatively, but it's viewer-challenged. Viewers show up at the start of the show, most likely thanks to the Dancing With the Stars Results Show, and then leave by 10:30 p.m. The drop of more than 2 million viewers within an episode is not a good sign. The only saving grace is that Eli's doing better than Thursday's Life on Mars and many of ABC's other 10 p.m. shows. Grade: D+ Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox) Premiered with 6.34 million viewers. Last week, 5.34 million viewers. Tough times for this tough series. Sarah premiered last year with more than 10 million viewers. The earlier timeslot hasn't been kind to the series, however, and viewer erosion has been significant. It might be time to give Sarah a tryout in a different timeslot before scrapping this promising series
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
[RE][scifinoir2] Straczynski Updating Forbidden Planet
Et tu, Joe? Instead of the rehashing, why not adapt your Midnight Nation mini-series? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Straczynski Updating Forbidden Planet Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:20:21 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Straczynski Updating Forbidden Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski, who also wrote Clint Eastwood's upcoming Changeling, is writing a long-in-the-works update of the SF classic Forbidden Planet for Warner Brothers, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Joel Silver is producing via Silver Pictures. Warner picked up the project on the down-low earlier this year. As late as last year, it was set up at DreamWorks, with David Twohy attached to direct. Prior to that, New Line had it. James Cameron, Nelson Gidding and Stirling Silliphant have been associated with the remake over the years. Released in 1956, Planet told the tale of an expedition sent from Earth to check on a colony of scientists on a far-off planet. They find two members, a man who has found alien technology that doubled his intellect, Dr. Morbius, and his daughter, both of whom have managed to survive an unseen monster roaming the planet. The movie is loosely based on Shakespeare's The Tempest. The movie, directed by Fred Wilcox, starred Walter Pidgeon, Anne Francis and Leslie Nielsen, but is perhaps best known for the character Robbie the Robot. http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20081103.html
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: First Election in the Country Goes to...Obama!
Nice trend. Let's keep it rolling. Made my own mark on the shape of the Cosmos an hour ago. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: First Election in the Country Goes to...Obama! Date : Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:34:09 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com And here's the big story from the AP: Obama wins in earliest vote 12 minutes ago DIXVILLE NOTCH, N.H. (AP) � Democrat Barack Obama came up a big winner in the presidential race in Dixville Notch, N.H., where the nation's first Election Day votes were cast and counted early Tuesday. Obama defeated John McCain 15-6. Independent Ralph Nader was also on the ballot, but received no votes. The first voter, following tradition established in 1948, was picked ahead of the midnight voting and the rest of the town's 19 registered voters followed suit in Tuesday's first minutes. Town Clerk Rick Erwin says the northern New Hampshire town is proud of its tradition, but says the most important thing is that the turnout represents 100 percent vote. President Bush won the vote in Dixville Notch in 2004 on the way to his re-election. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Johnson) Interesting, a whopping 15 votes for Obama. Does this portend the shape of things to come...? The results are so new I don't see them on the Net anywhere yet, but here's a blurb on the area from CNN a couple of hours ago. Like the fifth season opener of Babylon 5 stated, And so it begins... From Alexander Mooney CNN (CNN) -- The first wave of election returns won't flow in until 7 p.m. ET Tuesday night, but the results in one precinct will be known much sooner. Dixville Notch, New Hampshire, is the first in the nation to vote in the primaries and Election Day. Dixville Notch, a village in New Hampshire's northeast corner, will begin voting at the stroke of 12 a.m. ET Tuesday, and the ballots won't take long to tally: Dixville Notch only has about 20 registered voters. The town, home to around 75 residents, has opened its polls shortly after midnight each Election Day since 1960, drawing national media attention for being the first place in the country to make its presidential preferences known. But since 1996, another small New Hampshire town, Hart's Location, reinstated its practice from the 1940s and also opens its polls at midnight. The result in Dixville Notch is, however, hardly a reliable bellwether for the eventual winner of the White House or even the result statewide. While New Hampshire is a perennial swing state -- with 4 Electoral College votes at stake -- Dixville Notch consistently leans Republican. The last Democrat it picked was Hubert Humphrey over Richard Nixon in 1968. Don't Miss ElectionCenter 2008: Electoral Map Calculator ElectionCenter 2008: Latest polls ElectionCenter 2008 iReport.com: Going to the polls? Share your experience President Bush also won the town in a landslide in the past two elections: He captured 73 percent of the vote in 2004 (19 residents picked Bush while six preferred Sen. John Kerry), and secured 80 percent of the vote in 2000 (21 votes for Bush, 5 votes for Al Gore.) But the result could be close this year given Democrats now outnumber Republicans there. According to Donna Kaye Erwin, the supervisor of the voter checklist, Dixville Notch has five registered Democrats, four Republicans and 11 undeclared voters. The result could also be a nail biter given the town picked both Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama for the New Hampshire Democratic and Republican primaries last January. McCain ultimately won the state of New Hampshire, while Sen. Hillary Clinton upset Obama there
Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend
Plainly obvious. Which is why I missed it. ;-) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend Date : Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:33:11 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc : Grayson Reyes-Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's up with the Polynesians? Two words: New Zealand. Like i posted, the actor who plays the Seekers friend and confidant is a native who played a general in Xena, so they're just using the local talent. Are there any people of colour in the books? -- Original message -- From: Grayson Reyes-Cole This post made me laugh and laugh and laugh... As far as inordinant amounts of pale flesh go... I'm trying to figure out how they had sense enough to dress the Confessor with pants under her top to ensure she could ride and fight comfortably, but they pushed the tiny twins so far up and out that I'm positive she remained upright through all the action sequences (unless she was on the ground and being incredibly still) for that reason. And what is up with those Polynesians anyway? Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:15 PM I can finally comment to this, having watched it yesterday. Well, *most* of it... Overall, 'tis okay. Don't really know if I'll invest in it weekly, since it failed to hold my attention in places. (I'm parallel-reading with a friend, and I twice picked up the book and began reading while it was on, and once got up to forage for food.) And, while we're on the notion of spoilers, whoever *did* watch and fail to post a Too Much Pale Flesh For Comfort alert, *shaame*... I'm *not* fond of the actors cast as Richard and Kalyn (sp?), because they're too young for my envisioning of the characters. (For reasons I can't fathom, I pegged them both as mid-30ish. And I'm still working on how so many Polynesan guys got so far inland... *And*, unless I had a brief seizure, they just skipped over a bit of plot, between Richard's rescuing Kalyn while en route to Zed's place and being bitten by the vine-creature and his arriving there, being healed by Zed. Admittedly, I missed the last forty minutes, helping out family members in the use of Word Perfect. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend Date : Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:34:44 -0800 (PST) From : Grayson Reyes-Cole To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Spoil the show, eh? Um... I don't mind... put SPOILER at the top and gimme the goods. :) Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jeff Carter wrote: From: Jeff Carter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:26 PM I dont want to spoil the show, but I can say that they left out a huge chunk of information regarding Zedd, Richard, the book and George Cypher. So large that it affects the outcome of the end of the first book, and in some way each book that comes after it. The curiosity of how they are going to deal with this (flashback maybe) is the only reason I may keep watching. Jeff On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Grayson Reyes-Cole wrote: So Jeff, In the text he *doesn't* toss the book into the fire? If not, sounds like a huge misstep! The guy does seem a bit, well, wee for the part. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonr eyescole. com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jeff Carter wrote: From: Jeff Carter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:07 AM Well first of all the guy is too small and too chiseled. Richard is supposed to be this big farm boy type of guy. Big enough that he is the same size if not bigger than the D'harian troops (who are supposed to be huge). He also lacks the confidence and resolve that Richard has in the books. Richard is able to see the truth in things and accpet them, the actor playing Richard seemed a bit unsure of himself and his destiny. They also seem to have left themselves with a big whole to fill with the book of shadows so I am a bit curious as to how they will deal with that, but I'm not sure if I will be able to force myself to watch another 20 episodes. Jeff On
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol? redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
[RE][scifinoir2] Parents Supporting Obama? No Halloween treats for you
Nice to know that all of the small, sad lifeforms in the world are so willing to stand up and be counted... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Parents Supporting Obama? No Halloween treats for you Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:57:02 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Albert Fields' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cleo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],'Kai Pettaway' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],'Kera' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Michael Gordon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],'Seku Brathwaite' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Valery Jean' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Wendell Theophilus Smith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Whitney J Evans' [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mich. woman: Supporting Obama? No treats for you GROSSE POINTE FARMS, Mich. (AP) - A suburban Detroit woman has decided to scare up the vote among neighborhood children by just offering treats to John McCain supporters. Shirley Nagel of Grosse Pointe Farms, Mich., handed out candy Friday only to those who shared her support for the Republican presidential candidate and his running mate Sarah Palin. Others were turned away empty-handed. TV station WJBK says a sign outside Nagel's house warned: No handouts for Obama supporters, liars, tricksters or kids of supporters. Nagel calls Democrat Barack Obama scary. When asked about children who were turned away empty-handed and crying, she said: Oh well. Everybody has a choice. Fax and phone messages left at numbers for Nagel were not returned. Information from: WJBK-TV, http://www.fox2detroit.com http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gNm50g1aJQzo_RVdnnCOuhw9iaGAD946BQD01
[scifinoir2] Grant Morrison's Dr. Who
I wanted a minute to get this in my hands before I reviewed it, but I've noticed that there is usually a comic book store within a mile of a polling place, so perhaps you'd like to read along with me this evening! The collected early works of Grant Morrison are being reissued by IDW (who also publish the Star Trek and Transformers books) and cover the 6th and 7th Doctor. Here's a really short and neat article: http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/10/25/grant-morrison-dr- who-a-match-made-in-heaven/
[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an appearance I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs
[scifinoir2] Re: SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership
I saw a couple episodes of Chuck... you're not missing much. The best Scifi/ geek show on the networks this season is the big bang theroy. It's smart and funny. TV the past few seasons has really been dumbed down. It's like hey let's flood the market with really dumb shows. (notice how I didn't mention Ghost Hunters that's how much I think of it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, that proves it: this rating system they use is bogus. No human with enough brain power to move his eyelids could possibly rate Ghost Hunters an A show! I've tried to watch it, and it's just stupid. Nothing's ever proven, they run around with EM detectors like something out of Ghostbusters. It reminds me of when they had John Edward the psychic on years ago, to watch him talk to the dead. And then a show like Chuck is given a really low grade. Now I don't watch Chuck, but critics love it, and its fan base may be smaller than NBC wants, but it's very, very loyal. And I can tell from even cursory viewing that it's lightyears beyond Ghost Hunters, yet it gets a much lower grade?? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] We Rate Returning SF TV Series http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20081103.html Yikes! And you think the economy is bad. Imagine being a network executive these days. Much like the vanishing honeybees, television viewers seems to have evaporated, and shows across the spectrum are struggling. In fact, the networks are bleeding as they thrash about trying to figure out how to bring viewers back to their favorite shows. In this second of two stories, we take a look at how returning SFF series are doing this fall, grading them from best to worst. Ghost Hunters (SCI FI) Premiered with 2.7 million viewers. Last week, 3.2 million viewers. The future's so bright, these ghost hunters will have to wear shades. Last week our favorite ghost- hunting plumbers reached a series high, which is great news leading into their big live Halloween investigation special. And beyond spawning a successful sequel in Ghost Hunters International, SCI FI just announced it has ordered a pilot for Ghost Hunters: College Edition, in which seasoned investigators lead a group of college students in the hunt for ghosts. Can you say franchise? Or, heck, let's just have the Ghost Hunting Channel. Grade: A This story continues below the image. The Ghost Hunters: Jason Hawes (left) and Grant Wilson. (Chris Kontoes for SCI FI ) Ghost Whisperer (CBS) Premiered with 9.31 million viewers. Last week, 9.95 million viewers. While the series hasn't been able to crack 10 million viewers this year, it's come close enough that it is the highest-rated series on Friday nights. And this is one of the few shows that has actually increased viewers since last year on the networks. Grade: B+ Supernatural (The CW) Premiered with 3.96 million viewers. Last week, 3.25 million viewers. Supernatural has also done well this season, increasing in total viewers from last season. This male- oriented show also has seen a dramatic increase among women 18-49, which is very good. And the show did it all in the toughest timeslot on television. Grade: B Smallville (The CW) Premiered with 4.38 million viewers. Last week, 4.22 million viewers. Down a bit from last season, Smallville is still looking like a champ, compared with The CW's other low-rated programming. It may not be as shiny as it once was, but what show would be as it delves into its eighth season? Ratings should be good enough for another year--if The CW doesn't collapse completely. It's unlikely the network will find another show that can be competitive on Thursday nights with viewers as loyal as those for Smallville. Grade: B- This story continues below the image. Tom Welling as Clark Kent in Smallville. (Michael Courtney for The CW) Heroes (NBC) Premiered with 9.89 million viewers. Last week, 8.46 million viewers. How the mighty have fallen. While Heroes premiered last year with 16.97 million viewers, the series has taken a significant hit. One bright spot is that the show does very well in DVR viewings later in the week. The bad news is that most of those people don't watch commercials. It's doubtful Heroes is in danger of cancellation at this point, but the show's hit status has vanished. Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Chuck (NBC) Premiered with 6.48 million viewers. Last week, 6.7 million viewers. You've got to love a show about a sweet and adorable nerd who ends up accidentally becoming a spy, and NBC loved it enough in its second season to give it a full-season pickup before it even premiered. Unfortunately, viewers have not been flocking to the series, which is down significantly from last year, and if NBC didn't have other problems, Chuck would be in big trouble. Grade: C- Eli
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership
Funny, Chuck gets high praise from all quarters. But your point is well taken. This article is rating stuff based on popularity, not intrinsic worth. That's troubling. Guess it explains, though, how SciFi cancels things like Dresden Files, yet greenlights junk like Flash Gordon, and the underwhelming Sanctuary. -- Original message -- From: votomguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw a couple episodes of Chuck... you're not missing much. The best Scifi/ geek show on the networks this season is the big bang theroy. It's smart and funny. TV the past few seasons has really been dumbed down. It's like hey let's flood the market with really dumb shows. (notice how I didn't mention Ghost Hunters that's how much I think of it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, that proves it: this rating system they use is bogus. No human with enough brain power to move his eyelids could possibly rate Ghost Hunters an A show! I've tried to watch it, and it's just stupid. Nothing's ever proven, they run around with EM detectors like something out of Ghostbusters. It reminds me of when they had John Edward the psychic on years ago, to watch him talk to the dead. And then a show like Chuck is given a really low grade. Now I don't watch Chuck, but critics love it, and its fan base may be smaller than NBC wants, but it's very, very loyal. And I can tell from even cursory viewing that it's lightyears beyond Ghost Hunters, yet it gets a much lower grade?? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] We Rate Returning SF TV Series http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20081103.html Yikes! And you think the economy is bad. Imagine being a network executive these days. Much like the vanishing honeybees, television viewers seems to have evaporated, and shows across the spectrum are struggling. In fact, the networks are bleeding as they thrash about trying to figure out how to bring viewers back to their favorite shows. In this second of two stories, we take a look at how returning SFF series are doing this fall, grading them from best to worst. Ghost Hunters (SCI FI) Premiered with 2.7 million viewers. Last week, 3.2 million viewers. The future's so bright, these ghost hunters will have to wear shades. Last week our favorite ghost- hunting plumbers reached a series high, which is great news leading into their big live Halloween investigation special. And beyond spawning a successful sequel in Ghost Hunters International, SCI FI just announced it has ordered a pilot for Ghost Hunters: College Edition, in which seasoned investigators lead a group of college students in the hunt for ghosts. Can you say franchise? Or, heck, let's just have the Ghost Hunting Channel. Grade: A This story continues below the image. The Ghost Hunters: Jason Hawes (left) and Grant Wilson. (Chris Kontoes for SCI FI ) Ghost Whisperer (CBS) Premiered with 9.31 million viewers. Last week, 9.95 million viewers. While the series hasn't been able to crack 10 million viewers this year, it's come close enough that it is the highest-rated series on Friday nights. And this is one of the few shows that has actually increased viewers since last year on the networks. Grade: B+ Supernatural (The CW) Premiered with 3.96 million viewers. Last week, 3.25 million viewers. Supernatural has also done well this season, increasing in total viewers from last season. This male- oriented show also has seen a dramatic increase among women 18-49, which is very good. And the show did it all in the toughest timeslot on television. Grade: B Smallville (The CW) Premiered with 4.38 million viewers. Last week, 4.22 million viewers. Down a bit from last season, Smallville is still looking like a champ, compared with The CW's other low-rated programming. It may not be as shiny as it once was, but what show would be as it delves into its eighth season? Ratings should be good enough for another year--if The CW doesn't collapse completely. It's unlikely the network will find another show that can be competitive on Thursday nights with viewers as loyal as those for Smallville. Grade: B- This story continues below the image. Tom Welling as Clark Kent in Smallville. (Michael Courtney for The CW) Heroes (NBC) Premiered with 9.89 million viewers. Last week, 8.46 million viewers. How the mighty have fallen. While Heroes premiered last year with 16.97 million viewers, the series has taken a significant hit. One bright spot is that the show does very well in DVR viewings later in the week. The bad news is that most of those people don't watch commercials. It's doubtful Heroes is in danger of cancellation at this point, but the show's hit status has vanished. Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Chuck (NBC) Premiered with 6.48 million viewers. Last week, 6.7 million viewers.
[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
Well, i posted a link last week to Howard's interview with NPR. Here's the link again:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95833828 In it, he said he wasn't aware he was going to be dropped: he just got the news his services were no longer needed. Now we all know that actors can have issues of salary and even personality conflict. So an actor *can* be saying "I don't know why they let me go" and just not even considering unfair demands or his bad attitude as possible causes. But Howard specifically said then "It shows that promises aren't worth anything, agreements aren't worth anything, contracts aren't worth anything". The decided impression he conveyed was that he'd been given verbal and written statements of what he'd get, and they went back on them. From what you submit here, seems that's the case. It is crap to try to go back and cut his salary. Slap in the face, whether he was difficult or not. And, while I'm honestly not crazy with Howard as Rhodey, those folks cast him, after, I assume, screen tests and careful consideration. So don't try to punish him by cutting his salary. I'm sure he did what h e thought he was told to do--not his fault. Tacky move on the suits' parts. -- Original message -- From: "Tracey de Morsella" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow. More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man
Re: The SAW movies (was:[RE][scifinoir2] Horror Marathons on Cable)
I resisted HOSTEL but upon finally seeing it, I came away primarily impressed with Eli Roth's undeniable talent as a filmmaker. I was similarly impressed with Rob Zombie's helming of the HALLOWEEN remake, which is grade A work and is presaged by his gonzo work on HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES and THE DEVIL'S REJECTS - both of which are unabashed trash (but well made trash). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Er... probably... And to answer your other question. There are scenes I didn't watch, rather listened to... not out of fear but out of is this really necessary? So in that case, yes there are some really gruesome scenes... but they don't go on for long (ok... maybe a couple of them do)... I think I'm just making excuses because I like the story, lol... I haven't seen Hostel or Turistas or a ton of other movies expressly because I'm not interested in that stuff and yet, Saw does have a few of those elements. I cannot tell a lie. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Tue, 11/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The SAW movies (was:[RE][scifinoir2] Horror Marathons on Cable) To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 5:53 AM So, to my point of inferiour sequels or clones, do Saw 4 and 5 fall into that bad category, along with all the Friday the 13th, Halloween, and Children of the Corn sequels? -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I completely agree with your assessment of Saw and Saw 2. The original Saw is a text book example of how to create horror and suspense on a very tight budget. The way the writer and director used their disadvantages to their advantage is nothing short of ingenious. For me, the series goes off the rails in Saw 3 because I believe this sequel violates the series implicit contract with the viewer when Jigsaw's assistant breaks the rules of Jigsaw's intricate puzzle tortures. Plus, Saw 3 recycled puzzle tortures from previous movies which, to me, is a sign of filmmakers who are either lazy or out of ideas. I have resisted both Saw IV and Saw V. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ ... wrote: First a disclaimer, we frequently like or laud things that resemble our own aesthetic. So some of the things I l ike about the Saw series, I may be a little biased about simply because the writer seemed to be saying something I also tried to say (in much more ramped down manner) in my latest release. OK. now that that's out of the way... here are some of the reasons I like it. 1) Regardless of whether you think it's smart or not (I thought it was smart) or find holes in it or not (I didn't find any until late in the series) it'd be difficult for one to argue that this series is not plot driven. I like that. Some of the horror films I don't like are two dimensional. Evil people/creatures with no motive other than hunger do bad things. Sometimes the lore or story behind them is driven by popular culture and there's no value add to the film, which sometimes seems lazy. If not lazy, then pushed aside as the filmmakers tried to accomplish other things like shock. If you like the shock value movies, gore only, etc... that's ok and I don't mean to put anyone down... I'm saying that I get easily bored by it and usually don't finish the movie. I enjoy Saw because it has a plot, a three- dimensional antagonist, and despite the gore, the priority seems to be in the right place for my aesthetic. 2) The first movie absolutely beat my expectations. It did ask the question, hurt someone else or hurt yourself, but it asked more than that. It asked a person to do something abhorrent to save his/her life, thus be forced to recognize the value of life, or fail to do something abhorrent, thus showing that your life doesn't mean that much to you, so you die. I ask a similar question in my novel but it's quite a bit different from the Saw perspective and, well, I've mentioned I'm not much of a gore fan. The selection of the victims for these Jigsaw reindeer games, I thought, was also clever. 3) The second movie really hooked me because of a moment in the movie when me and my date (who had seen the first one in a theater together) both looked at each other and had a huge OMG moment when we recognized one of the characters from the first film and like a completed dot-to-dot, the plot gained dimension where I had *no* expectation for it to. I figured it couldn't possibly get me again... but it did. That made me happy. 4) The third movie, pleased me because we
Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies
Voted early last Friday here in the ATL... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anybody else at the polls yet? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: "Tracey de Morsella" [EMAIL PROTECTED]aladvantage.comDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:50:37 -0800To: afrikanmind@hotmail.com; 'Albert Fields'cbilmarketing@yahoo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]com; CINQUE[EMAIL PROTECTED]net; 'Cleo'cleo.wadley@aliefisd.net; dorothyhamm@sbcglobal.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]net; 'Kai Pettaway'[EMAIL PROTECTED]com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]com; keithbjohnson@comcast.net; 'Kera'[EMAIL PROTECTED]com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]com; 'Michael Gordon'[EMAIL PROTECTED]edu; michael.v.w.[EMAIL PROTECTED]com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]com; 'Seku Brathwaite'everythingist@nyc.rr.com; 'Valery Jean'valeryjean77@yahoo.com; 'Wendell Theophilus Smith'wendellsmithis@gmail.com; 'Whitney J Evans'sono fafieldnegro@sbcglobal.net; williamsfred@speakeasy.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com; 'Glenn Sigler'[EMAIL PROTECTED]com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]rutgers.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]com; 'paul demorsella'[EMAIL PROTECTED]com; 'Chris de Morsella'cdemorsella@yahoo.com; Aradia \(Rae\) Corenti[EMAIL PROTECTED]comSubject: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=61799My fellow Americans, science fiction has anticipated our current national dilemma: forever wars, economic collapse, mutant zombies running in the streets. Since we're already facing a bunch of science fictional scenarios made real, which candidate would best handle the real tests facing the nation: Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain?"Change You Can Believe in" is great, so long as abominations from the hollow earth aren't trying to change your very DNA, and putting "Country First" might not be enough when the whole damned species is threatened by lizard-faced extra-dimensional organ harvesters.Take the following scenarios from SF movies:1. The Movie: Escape From New York. The President: Donald Pleasence. The Crisis: With all of Manhattan turned into a maximum-security federal prison, a Patty Hearst-like teenybopper Tania take-off terrorist seizes Air Force One and crashes it into Midtown, where the Prez is taken hostage by a gang of convicts led by the voice of Chef himself, Isaac Hayes!Candidate best suited for the crisis: Obama As a former community organizer, he's got a track record in difficult urban settings in which times are tough; even though Hayes' predecessor as the boss of New York, Rudy Giuliani, might diss it, this is valuable experience! And hey ... if you listen to certain talk-radio ranters, Obama really knows how to talk to domestic terrorists in really "palsy-walsy" terms! It might make it easier for Obama to get the New York State vote, but with 8 million votes in Manhattan negated (felons can't vote in New York State), those 31 electoral votes might get trimmed down some. 2. The Movie: Superman II.The President: E.G. Marshall.The Crisis: Phantom Zone escapees Ursa, Non and General Zod use their incredible superpowers to subdue the "Planet Houston" (OK ... "Earth"), raiding the White House and forcing a comically toupee'd president (whose rug makes Joe Biden's hair plugs look as natural as Fabio's mane) to kneel before Zod and swear fealty to the Kryptonian criminal.Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain His "Secure Borders" policy would apply to Kryptonians, too (even though if he extended it to include Smallville, Kan., he might alienate Sen. Brownback and lose six electoral votes in the process). 'Sides, ... who wouldn't want to see a catfight between Ursa and Palin (under whose jurisdiction Superman's Fortress of Solitude would fall, assuming it's not on federal land)? 3. The Movie: Independence Day.The President: Bill Pullman. The Crisis: A bunch of really nasty and hostile aliens take a page from Clarke's Childhood's End and make it real as they park giant spacecraft over the world's cities and proceed to blow them up. A ragtag bunch of refugees must rise up and fight the invaders.Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain At the climax, President Pullman clambers into a fighter jet and joins an assault on the aliens. Well, we know who's got the edge there, don't we, even though he might be a little rusty after 40 or so years? The crisis forces the Prez to nuke Houston, so that's 34 electoral votes from Texas vaporized into shiny, shiny fallout. 4. The Movie: Fail Safe. The President: Henry Fonda. The Crisis: Six Vindicator bombers are screeching their way into Russia. Having gone past their "fail safe" points, they can't be recalled, so the Prez must get on the Moscow hotline (along with translator Larry Hagman) to help the Soviets bring down the squadron before Moscow is nuked to glowing rubble while a hawkish academic named Professor Groeteschele (Walter Matthau) offers tips on how to use this SNAFU to end the Russkies once
[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
What is not addressed here is that Terrence Howard's primary crime appears to be that he, a black man and supporting player, managed to score a higher salary than his more famous white co-stars. I can see this festering into a nasty point of contention which the producers ham-handedly tried to rectify by slashing Howard's pay for the sequel - because, make no mistake, Downey and Paltrow are more important to this franchise than Howard is. I have experienced a similar situation in my workplace, a situation that grew ugly when one of our engineers found out that I, a technician, and a black one at that, was making more money than she was. My situation had a different resolution, however, as I remained at the company and the engineer (who didn't know company culture as well as I did - which was how I scored my salary in the first place) was given an opportunity to work elsewhere. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By http://search.ew.com/EWSearch/ew/search/search.html? type=ew:Nicole+Sperling ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20197922,00.html Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,276445,00.html Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001160,00.html for the sequel. And reports that Don http://www.ew.comhttp:/popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man- cheadl.htm l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2750,00.html 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2024,00.html . More than Jeff http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001002,00.html Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2121,00.html And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,645687,00.html went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.html Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-2- terr.html Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
Unless i'm mistaken Rhodes has been portrayed as dark skin many times over the years. In Civil War', for example, he's wy darker than light-skinned, greenish eyed Howard. In terms of pure skin color, Cheadle's closer than Howard. But I still think they did Howard wrong. Might be business as usual, but he sure didn't see it coming... -- Original message -- From: votomguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an appearance I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the
[scifinoir2] FW: More Reliable Than Exit Polls: Bookies
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Re: The SAW movies (was:[RE][scifinoir2] Horror Marathons on Cable)
I really like the Halloween revisit. 1000 Corpses and Devil's Reject make all my happy sad. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Tue, 11/4/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The SAW movies (was:[RE][scifinoir2] Horror Marathons on Cable) To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:27 PM I resisted HOSTEL but upon finally seeing it, I came away primarily impressed with Eli Roth's undeniable talent as a filmmaker. I was similarly impressed with Rob Zombie's helming of the HALLOWEEN remake, which is grade A work and is presaged by his gonzo work on HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES and THE DEVIL'S REJECTS - both of which are unabashed trash (but well made trash). ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ ... wrote: Er... probably... And to answer your other question. There are scenes I didn't watch, rather listened to... not out of fear but out of is this really necessary? So in that case, yes there are some really gruesome scenes... but they don't go on for long (ok... maybe a couple of them do)... I think I'm just making excuses because I like the story, lol... I haven't seen Hostel or Turistas or a ton of other movies expressly because I'm not interested in that stuff and yet, Saw does have a few of those elements. I cannot tell a lie. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonr eyescole. com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Tue, 11/4/08, KeithBJohnson@ ... KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ ... KeithBJohnson@ ... Subject: Re: The SAW movies (was:[RE][scifinoir 2] Horror Marathons on Cable) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 5:53 AM So, to my point of inferiour sequels or clones, do Saw 4 and 5 fall into that bad category, along with all the Friday the 13th, Halloween, and Children of the Corn sequels? -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I completely agree with your assessment of Saw and Saw 2. The original Saw is a text book example of how to create horror and suspense on a very tight budget. The way the writer and director used their disadvantages to their advantage is nothing short of ingenious. For me, the series goes off the rails in Saw 3 because I believe this sequel violates the series implicit contract with the viewer when Jigsaw's assistant breaks the rules of Jigsaw's intricate puzzle tortures. Plus, Saw 3 recycled puzzle tortures from previous movies which, to me, is a sign of filmmakers who are either lazy or out of ideas. I have resisted both Saw IV and Saw V. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ ... wrote: First a disclaimer, we frequently like or laud things that resemble our own aesthetic. So some of the things I l ike about the Saw series, I may be a little biased about simply because the writer seemed to be saying something I also tried to say (in much more ramped down manner) in my latest release. OK. now that that's out of the way... here are some of the reasons I like it. 1) Regardless of whether you think it's smart or not (I thought it was smart) or find holes in it or not (I didn't find any until late in the series) it'd be difficult for one to argue that this series is not plot driven. I like that. Some of the horror films I don't like are two dimensional. Evil people/creatures with no motive other than hunger do bad things. Sometimes the lore or story behind them is driven by popular culture and there's no value add to the film, which sometimes seems lazy. If not lazy, then pushed aside as the filmmakers tried to accomplish other things like shock. If you like the shock value movies, gore only, etc... that's ok and I don't mean to put anyone down... I'm saying that I get easily bored by it and usually don't finish the movie. I enjoy Saw because it has a plot, a three- dimensional antagonist, and despite the gore, the priority seems to be in the right place for my aesthetic. 2) The first movie absolutely beat my expectations. It did ask the question, hurt someone else or hurt yourself, but it asked more than that. It asked a person to do something abhorrent to save his/her life, thus be forced to recognize the value of life, or fail to do something abhorrent, thus showing that your life doesn't mean that much to you, so you die. I ask a similar question in my novel but it's quite a bit different from the Saw perspective and, well, I've mentioned I'm not much of a gore fan. The selection of the victims for these Jigsaw reindeer games,
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: First Election in the Country Goes to...Obama!
Congrats! -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nice trend. Let's keep it rolling. Made my own mark on the shape of the Cosmos an hour ago. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: First Election in the Country Goes to...Obama! Date : Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:34:09 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com And here's the big story from the AP: Obama wins in earliest vote 12 minutes ago DIXVILLE NOTCH, N.H. (AP) � Democrat Barack Obama came up a big winner in the presidential race in Dixville Notch, N.H., where the nation's first Election Day votes were cast and counted early Tuesday. Obama defeated John McCain 15-6. Independent Ralph Nader was also on the ballot, but received no votes. The first voter, following tradition established in 1948, was picked ahead of the midnight voting and the rest of the town's 19 registered voters followed suit in Tuesday's first minutes. Town Clerk Rick Erwin says the northern New Hampshire town is proud of its tradition, but says the most important thing is that the turnout represents 100 percent vote. President Bush won the vote in Dixville Notch in 2004 on the way to his re-election. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Johnson) Interesting, a whopping 15 votes for Obama. Does this portend the shape of things to come...? The results are so new I don't see them on the Net anywhere yet, but here's a blurb on the area from CNN a couple of hours ago. Like the fifth season opener of Babylon 5 stated, And so it begins... From Alexander Mooney CNN (CNN) -- The first wave of election returns won't flow in until 7 p.m. ET Tuesday night, but the results in one precinct will be known much sooner. Dixville Notch, New Hampshire, is the first in the nation to vote in the primaries and Election Day. Dixville Notch, a village in New Hampshire's northeast corner, will begin voting at the stroke of 12 a.m. ET Tuesday, and the ballots won't take long to tally: Dixville Notch only has about 20 registered voters. The town, home to around 75 residents, has opened its polls shortly after midnight each Election Day since 1960, drawing national media attention for being the first place in the country to make its presidential preferences known. But since 1996, another small New Hampshire town, Hart's Location, reinstated its practice from the 1940s and also opens its polls at midnight. The result in Dixville Notch is, however, hardly a reliable bellwether for the eventual winner of the White House or even the result statewide. While New Hampshire is a perennial swing state -- with 4 Electoral College votes at stake -- Dixville Notch consistently leans Republican. The last Democrat it picked was Hubert Humphrey over Richard Nixon in 1968. Don't Miss ElectionCenter 2008: Electoral Map Calculator ElectionCenter 2008: Latest polls ElectionCenter 2008 iReport.com: Going to the polls? Share your experience President Bush also won the town in a landslide in the past two elections: He captured 73 percent of the vote in 2004 (19 residents picked Bush while six preferred Sen. John Kerry), and secured 80 percent of the vote in 2000 (21 votes for Bush, 5 votes for Al Gore.) But the result could be close this year given Democrats now outnumber Republicans there. According to Donna Kaye Erwin, the supervisor of the voter checklist, Dixville Notch has five registered Democrats, four Republicans and 11 undeclared voters. The result could also be a nail biter given the town picked both Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama for the New Hampshire Democratic and Republican primaries last January. McCain ultimately won the state of New Hampshire, while Sen. Hillary Clinton upset Obama there
[scifinoir2] Re: ATT Uverse Now Rethinking
I have heard all the horror stories about ATT U-Verse. My sister had it before me and she had a laundry list of complaints. Also, my pre- purchase search of the internet dredged up horror story after story. Still, I forged ahead with my purchase and thus far I am elated. I am getting all the movie channels, all the sport channels, BET G J and TV One (where I will get my chocolate news coverage of the election, tonight) plus internet and phone service for what I was previously paying for just DISH TV, DSL and limited pay channels before. And, while I currently only have a DVR on my HD television, I can watch my recorded programs on each of the other three televisions I have the service connected to. I have recorded MALCOLM X from the HD movie channel and just last night I recorded A SOLDIER'S STORY on TV-One. Further, I love the convenience of programming my DVR via my laptop. Two weeks ago, I programmed my DVR in Milwaukee, WI from my hotel room in Kansas City, MO - cool beans, man! To date, I haven't had any of the problems others have complained about. Of course, a black woman set my service up ; ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay so I have detailed my ATT Uverse experience previously. Today I am so distressed by the incompetence of ATT that I am seriously rethinking my entire deal. For those who are interested, here's the review. Over a month ago, I bought a three service package from ATT: Internet, TV and VOIP Phone. It took weeks to get an Austin install because there's a backlog in Dallas. Apparently the brain trust at ATT thinks the best idea to solve the backlog is to create a backlog in two cities rather than hire more people in the place where service sucks so they're sending half the Austin Techs to work in Dallas. I'm patient and I wait. I've waited for years for TV and I already have phone and internet. The day arrives. The Tech shows up. He gets everything going. He's really good at his job. I was cable installer for a while. I know when a guy is competent or not. However, there's a network outage that's messing up new installs. At 6PM, I'm been home for over 8 hours waiting for my services to work and no other services available. Finally it's determined that the VOIP phone is preventing the other services from working and has to be cancelled and reordered. I do so with some twinge of doubt that this will work. I wait three more weeks for an VOIP install. I wait at home for the guy to come and HE NEVER SHOWS UP He's supposed to be there at 3PM. At a couple of minutes before 3PM, I call ATT to get an idea of when he's coming. The person who answers, hereafter referred to as Phonetard acts as if I am inconveniencing her precious time on the job with my inquiry and tells me he's probably just running late. I wait til 6PM when I have an appointment and no one ever shows up or calls to tell me what up. Today I wake up, put in a call to ATT. I'm hold for 30 minutes. I literally cooked and ate breakfast while I waited for someone to talk to me. I had my dishes finished before I talked to a human being. She promptly transfers me to a Uverse specialist who can't find me or my phone number in her system, even though I already have ATT phone. I've not received a bill so I don't have a Uverse account number. Again, she acts as if my insistence on resolving my issue is a major inconvenience for her. I'm not rude. I don't yell or curse or call people names but I am incredulous that I can't be located in a system for which I have been an established customer for over a decade, 8 years at my current number. She transfers me to customer service. Who puts me on hold. The finally locate me through my cell phone number which is not a part of my ATT billing. I spend the better part of TWO HOURS on hold and finally hang up when it becomes clear that no one is ever going to return to deal with me. I had planned to hang up earlier but felt a need to see if they would really let me hold for TWO HOURS. They really did. (I watched My Own Worst Enemy off the DVR. Not so great. Added nothing to my experience)After I hang up and call back, I get someone on the phone who again has to locate me through my cell phone number but was kind enough to get my account number. After twenty more minutes of waiting, I'm told they're gonna have to call me back. All of this is underscored for me by the fact that if I keep the service, I am gonna have to spend another day waiting for an INSTALLER who may or may not even friggin show up. I feel the pull of Time Warner Cable calling even though the internet and cable package from ATT is way way better. If you're thinking of ATT, be aware that getting everything installed and running is apparently a physical impossibility. Bosco
Re: The SAW movies (was:[RE][scifinoir2] Horror Marathons on Cable)
Er... probably... And to answer your other question. There are scenes I didn't watch, rather listened to... not out of fear but out of is this really necessary? So in that case, yes there are some really gruesome scenes... but they don't go on for long (ok... maybe a couple of them do)... I think I'm just making excuses because I like the story, lol... I haven't seen Hostel or Turistas or a ton of other movies expressly because I'm not interested in that stuff and yet, Saw does have a few of those elements. I cannot tell a lie. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Tue, 11/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The SAW movies (was:[RE][scifinoir2] Horror Marathons on Cable) To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 5:53 AM So, to my point of inferiour sequels or clones, do Saw 4 and 5 fall into that bad category, along with all the Friday the 13th, Halloween, and Children of the Corn sequels? -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I completely agree with your assessment of Saw and Saw 2. The original Saw is a text book example of how to create horror and suspense on a very tight budget. The way the writer and director used their disadvantages to their advantage is nothing short of ingenious. For me, the series goes off the rails in Saw 3 because I believe this sequel violates the series implicit contract with the viewer when Jigsaw's assistant breaks the rules of Jigsaw's intricate puzzle tortures. Plus, Saw 3 recycled puzzle tortures from previous movies which, to me, is a sign of filmmakers who are either lazy or out of ideas. I have resisted both Saw IV and Saw V. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ ... wrote: First a disclaimer, we frequently like or laud things that resemble our own aesthetic. So some of the things I l ike about the Saw series, I may be a little biased about simply because the writer seemed to be saying something I also tried to say (in much more ramped down manner) in my latest release. OK. now that that's out of the way... here are some of the reasons I like it. 1) Regardless of whether you think it's smart or not (I thought it was smart) or find holes in it or not (I didn't find any until late in the series) it'd be difficult for one to argue that this series is not plot driven. I like that. Some of the horror films I don't like are two dimensional. Evil people/creatures with no motive other than hunger do bad things. Sometimes the lore or story behind them is driven by popular culture and there's no value add to the film, which sometimes seems lazy. If not lazy, then pushed aside as the filmmakers tried to accomplish other things like shock. If you like the shock value movies, gore only, etc... that's ok and I don't mean to put anyone down... I'm saying that I get easily bored by it and usually don't finish the movie. I enjoy Saw because it has a plot, a three- dimensional antagonist, and despite the gore, the priority seems to be in the right place for my aesthetic. 2) The first movie absolutely beat my expectations. It did ask the question, hurt someone else or hurt yourself, but it asked more than that. It asked a person to do something abhorrent to save his/her life, thus be forced to recognize the value of life, or fail to do something abhorrent, thus showing that your life doesn't mean that much to you, so you die. I ask a similar question in my novel but it's quite a bit different from the Saw perspective and, well, I've mentioned I'm not much of a gore fan. The selection of the victims for these Jigsaw reindeer games, I thought, was also clever. 3) The second movie really hooked me because of a moment in the movie when me and my date (who had seen the first one in a theater together) both looked at each other and had a huge OMG moment when we recognized one of the characters from the first film and like a completed dot-to-dot, the plot gained dimension where I had *no* expectation for it to. I figured it couldn't possibly get me again... but it did. That made me happy. 4) The third movie, pleased me because we got to spend a lot of time with Jigsaw and two of his subjects. 5) The fourth movie was hard for me to get through... really, no lie... it took several tries for me to watch it, get it. Not that the plot was so intricate that I needed to study it, more that I found it convoluted. I finally only watched it because I wanted to decide if I would see V or not. Yep, four was when I started thinking that I might be done with the series, but V was released... and there was a big deal abou t the opening... and well... as long as they make them, I'll probably watch
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By http://search.ew.com/EWSearch/ew/search/search.html?type=ew:Nicole+Sperling ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20197922,00.html Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,276445,00.html Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001160,00.html for the sequel. And reports that Don http://www.ew.comhttp:/popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.htm l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2750,00.html 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2024,00.html . More than Jeff http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001002,00.html Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2121,00.html And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,645687,00.html went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.html Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-2-terr.html Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
[scifinoir2] EYE Voted!
I exercised my franchise here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (a great place on a great lake) this morning after I got my children to school. There was a one and a half hour wait.
[scifinoir2] Pollster Calms Dems: McCain Win Would Be Exceptionally Improbable
Pollster http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/04/pollster-calms-paranoid-d_n_140960 .html Calms Paranoid Dems: McCain Win Would Be Exceptionally Improbable Even though every political and statistical indication points to an Obama victory tonight -- and a healthy one at that -- a certain brand of liberal paranoia persists. This is too good to be true, Democrats declare, fingers grasping at their hair. McCain is tightening the race in key states. The youth vote won't come out. And so it goes. But if in fact McCain were to win this election it would be, one of the nation's foremost pollster says, almost historically unprecedented. There is no reason in history to suggest [Obama won't win], said Frank Newport of Gallup http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx . All you can go by is history and compare our last polling that we have done before the election and the actual outcome in the presidential election... We have most polls showing Obama with a statistically significant lead nationally and also in these states. If he were to lose, it will be the first time since World War II something like this has happened. Now, keep in mind. It's a small sample, less than 20 elections, but it would be very unusual, in fact, exceptional... improbable. Indeed, the last time that Gallup's final poll before the election did not accurately determine the winning candidate was 1948, when they stopped polling a week before Harry Truman's comeback victory against Thomas Dewey. Even in 1980, when Ronald Reagan staged a late comeback that turned into an electoral rout, Gallup caught glimmers of this trend just in time, showing the Gipper up three points in its last poll. When it comes to the current election, the firm has Obama up eleven points in its final survey. But what should make Democrats more assured, said Newport, is that the Illinois Democrat has maintained a steady margin throughout the past month. Since September 15, Obama has been ahead in every poll we have conducted or any other polling I have seen and often by substantial margins, he said. It is not like it is race in which McCain was leading and we are seeing some kind of shift for Obama, it has been Obama ahead pretty dominantly. Moreover, other polling firms are documenting similar trends -- a confluence of data that validates the larger picture. We are all using a measuring instrument to estimate a big population, said Newport. It is like we have a giant lake and we are trying to estimate the bacteria percentage. So we take a sample and test it and that is what we are doing. But yes... if you have 15 scientists and they are all showing the same thing, that does give you more assurance that the lake has some bacteria. There are, of course, Obama supporters who will remain unconvinced. And as evidence they could cite the polls leading up to the New Hampshire primary, which showed the Illinois Democrat in a similarly comfortable lead only to lose to Hillary Clinton by two points. Newport acknowledged that the primary fight in the Granite State gives him and others in the business pause -- he has yet to find a smoking gun to explain what happened, though he hinted that massive late-stage change in voter preference moved too quickly for polls to pick up. But that was, for better or worse, an aberration. Pressed to quantify just how big a failure for the polling industry a McCain victory would represent, he didn't feel comfortable even following the hypothetical. Call me tomorrow, he replied. Obviously when Gallup and other scientific polling organizations do our best... and if for some reason the actual voting out there didn't mirror, internally, what we were showing, it certainly would be a time where we would have to say, 'What are we doing wrong?'... But we will cross that bridge if we get there. Right now, we aren't crossing that bridge... It is improbable. But like I said, call me tomorrow.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
In terms of looks, Rhodes favors Denzel more than anyone else in H'Wood. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:44:11 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Unless i'm mistaken Rhodes has been portrayed as dark skin many times over the years. In Civil War', for example, he's wy darker than light-skinned, greenish eyed Howard. In terms of pure skin color, Cheadle's closer than Howard. But I still think they did Howard wrong. Might be business as usual, but he sure didn't see it coming... -- Original message -- From: votomguy While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an appearance I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached
[RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking
So noted, Bosco. If I go that route, I'll be careful. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) From : Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : Sci Fi Noir scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay so I have detailed my ATT Uverse experience previously. Today I am so distressed by the incompetence of ATT that I am seriously rethinking my entire deal. For those who are interested, here's the review. Over a month ago, I bought a three service package from ATT: Internet, TV and VOIP Phone. It took weeks to get an Austin install because there's a backlog in Dallas. Apparently the brain trust at ATT thinks the best idea to solve the backlog is to create a backlog in two cities rather than hire more people in the place where service sucks so they're sending half the Austin Techs to work in Dallas. I'm patient and I wait. I've waited for years for TV and I already have phone and internet. The day arrives. The Tech shows up. He gets everything going. He's really good at his job. I was cable installer for a while. I know when a guy is competent or not. However, there's a network outage that's messing up new installs. At 6PM, I'm been home for over 8 hours waiting for my services to work and no other services available. Finally it's determined that the VOIP phone is preventing the other services from working and has to be cancelled and reordered. I do so with some twinge of doubt that this will work. I wait three more weeks for an VOIP install. I wait at home for the guy to come and HE NEVER SHOWS UP He's supposed to be there at 3PM. At a couple of minutes before 3PM, I call ATT to get an idea of when he's coming. The person who answers, hereafter referred to as Phonetard acts as if I am inconveniencing her precious time on the job with my inquiry and tells me he's probably just running late. I wait til 6PM when I have an appointment and no one ever shows up or calls to tell me what up. Today I wake up, put in a call to ATT. I'm hold for 30 minutes. I literally cooked and ate breakfast while I waited for someone to talk to me. I had my dishes finished before I talked to a human being. She promptly transfers me to a Uverse specialist who can't find me or my phone number in her system, even though I already have ATT phone. I've not received a bill so I don't have a Uverse account number. Again, she acts as if my insistence on resolving my issue is a major inconvenience for her. I'm not rude. I don't yell or curse or call people names but I am incredulous that I can't be located in a system for which I have been an established customer for over a decade, 8 years at my current number. She transfers me to customer service. Who puts me on hold. The finally locate me through my cell phone number which is not a part of my ATT billing. I spend the better part of TWO HOURS on hold and finally hang up when it becomes clear that no one is ever going to return to deal with me. I had planned to hang up earlier but felt a need to see if they would really let me hold for TWO HOURS. They really did. (I watched My Own Worst Enemy off the DVR. Not so great. Added nothing to my experience)After I hang up and call back, I get someone on the phone who again has to locate me through my cell phone number but was kind enough to get my account number. After twenty more minutes of waiting, I'm told they're gonna have to call me back. All of this is underscored for me by the fact that if I keep the service, I am gonna have to spend another day waiting for an INSTALLER who may or may not even friggin show up. I feel the pull of Time Warner Cable calling even though the internet and cable package from ATT is way way better. If you're thinking of ATT, be aware that getting everything installed and running is apparently a physical impossibility. Bosco
[RE][scifinoir2] Grant Morrison's Dr. Who
I think I have a few of his DW stuff somewhere in the vault. If I ever find the time... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Grant Morrison's Dr. Who Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:25:15 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : SciFi Noir scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I wanted a minute to get this in my hands before I reviewed it, but I've noticed that there is usually a comic book store within a mile of a polling place, so perhaps you'd like to read along with me this evening! The collected early works of Grant Morrison are being reissued by IDW (who also publish the Star Trek and Transformers books) and cover the 6th and 7th Doctor. Here's a really short and neat article: http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/10/25/grant-morrison-dr- who-a-match-made-in-heaven/
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking
Same here, I was thinking about it. My Comcast bill recent surged by more than fifty percent. I’m switching to Qwest I guess From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking So noted, Bosco. If I go that route, I'll be careful. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) From : Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : Sci Fi Noir scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay so I have detailed my ATT Uverse experience previously. Today I am so distressed by the incompetence of ATT that I am seriously rethinking my entire deal. For those who are interested, here's the review. Over a month ago, I bought a three service package from ATT: Internet, TV and VOIP Phone. It took weeks to get an Austin install because there's a backlog in Dallas. Apparently the brain trust at ATT thinks the best idea to solve the backlog is to create a backlog in two cities rather than hire more people in the place where service sucks so they're sending half the Austin Techs to work in Dallas. I'm patient and I wait. I've waited for years for TV and I already have phone and internet. The day arrives. The Tech shows up. He gets everything going. He's really good at his job. I was cable installer for a while. I know when a guy is competent or not. However, there's a network outage that's messing up new installs. At 6PM, I'm been home for over 8 hours waiting for my services to work and no other services available. Finally it's determined that the VOIP phone is preventing the other services from working and has to be cancelled and reordered. I do so with some twinge of doubt that this will work. I wait three more weeks for an VOIP install. I wait at home for the guy to come and HE NEVER SHOWS UP He's supposed to be there at 3PM. At a couple of minutes before 3PM, I call ATT to get an idea of when he's coming. The person who answers, hereafter referred to as Phonetard acts as if I am inconveniencing her precious time on the job with my inquiry and tells me he's probably just running late. I wait til 6PM when I have an appointment and no one ever shows up or calls to tell me what up. Today I wake up, put in a call to ATT. I'm hold for 30 minutes. I literally cooked and ate breakfast while I waited for someone to talk to me. I had my dishes finished before I talked to a human being. She promptly transfers me to a Uverse specialist who can't find me or my phone number in her system, even though I already have ATT phone. I've not received a bill so I don't have a Uverse account number. Again, she acts as if my insistence on resolving my issue is a major inconvenience for her. I'm not rude. I don't yell or curse or call people names but I am incredulous that I can't be located in a system for which I have been an established customer for over a decade, 8 years at my current number. She transfers me to customer service. Who puts me on hold. The finally locate me through my cell phone number which is not a part of my ATT billing. I spend the better part of TWO HOURS on hold and finally hang up when it becomes clear that no one is ever going to return to deal with me. I had planned to hang up earlier but felt a need to see if they would really let me hold for TWO HOURS. They really did. (I watched My Own Worst Enemy off the DVR. Not so great. Added nothing to my experience)After I hang up and call back, I get someone on the phone who again has to locate me through my cell phone number but was kind enough to get my account number. After twenty more minutes of waiting, I'm told they're gonna have to call me back. All of this is underscored for me by the fact that if I keep the service, I am gonna have to spend another day waiting for an INSTALLER who may or may not even friggin show up. I feel the pull of Time Warner Cable calling even though the internet and cable package from ATT is way way better. If you're thinking of ATT, be aware that getting everything installed and running is apparently a physical impossibility. Bosco
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
Do you guys think there is any truth to their claim about having to pay him more than anyone else, being difficult to work with, and having to reshoot his scenes because of performance issues or is that just spin? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:44 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Unless i'm mistaken Rhodes has been portrayed as dark skin many times over the years. In Civil War', for example, he's wy darker than light-skinned, greenish eyed Howard. In terms of pure skin color, Cheadle's closer than Howard. But I still think they did Howard wrong. Might be business as usual, but he sure didn't see it coming... -- Original message -- From: votomguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an a ppeara nce I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. g t; -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. gt; -G TW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling W hen a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership
The ratings numbers have been the hot topic of debate for the past 4 or 5 years. Show me 9 million people who watch Ghost Whisperer and I'll show you 7 million people who were on the phone and left their TVs on whatever. To be honest, I don't even believe 34 million people watched Obama's special. (here he goes again) Now, show me how many people DOWNLOAD, STREAM, or RECORD episodes of Ghost Whisperer, and you'll have a pretty good estimate of audience size. This is why TV's dying. When I worked in the music industry, we used a standard of measurement called SoundScan. The way it worked was simple. When someone bought an album, it was scanned. All of those scan reports were tallied up, and boom, we knew who #1 was. Right? Wrong. Because if I send you 500 copies of Whosaywhat and the Sound of a Tree Falling for free, and ask you to scan it every time someone buys Mariah Carey, guess who #1 is gonna be that week? And that was MUSIC. Am I saying there is Neilsen fraud going on? Well, yes, but that's not even the main point. TV ratings are remarkably flawed, and the evidence of this is the quality of the shows that are coming back. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: One question. Are they watching the same shows I am, on the same kind of television? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:42:33 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com We Rate Returning SF TV Series http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20081103.html Yikes! And you think the economy is bad. Imagine being a network executive these days. Much like the vanishing honeybees, television viewers seems to have evaporated, and shows across the spectrum are struggling. In fact, the networks are bleeding as they thrash about trying to figure out how to bring viewers back to their favorite shows. In this second of two stories, we take a look at how returning SFamp;F series are doing this fall, grading them from best to worst. Ghost Hunters (SCI FI) Premiered with 2.7 million viewers. Last week, 3.2 million viewers. The future's so bright, these ghost hunters will have to wear shades. Last week our favorite ghost-hunting plumbers reached a series high, which is great news leading into their big live Halloween investigation special . And beyond spawning a successful sequel in Ghost Hunters International, SCI FI just announced it has ordered a pilot for Ghost Hunters: College Edition, in which seasoned investigators lead a group of college students in the hunt for ghosts. Can you say franchise? Or, heck, let's just have the Ghost Hunting Channel. Grade: A This story continues below the image. ghost The Ghost Hunters: Jason Hawes (left) and Grant Wilson. (Chris Kontoes for SCI FI ) Ghost Whisperer (CBS) Premiered with 9.31 million viewers. Last week, 9.95 million viewers. While the series hasn't been able to crack 10 million viewers this year, it's come close enough that it is the highest-rated series on Friday nights. And this is one of the few shows that has actually increased viewers since last year on the networks. Grade: B+ Supernatural (The CW) Premiered with 3.96 million viewers. Last week, 3.25 million viewers. Supernatural has also done well this season, increasing in total viewers from last season. This male-oriented show also has seen a dramatic increase among women 18-49, which is very good. And the show did it all in the toughest timeslot on television. Grade: B Smallville (The CW) Premiered with 4.38 million viewers. Last week, 4.22 million viewers. Down a bit from last season, Smallville is still looking like a champ, compared with The CW's other low-rated programming. It may not be as shiny as it once was, but what show would be as it delves into its eighth season? Ratings should be good enough for another year--if The CW doesn't collapse completely. It's unlikely the network will find another show that can be competitive on Thursday nights with viewers as loyal as those for Smallville. Grade: B- This story continues below the image. smallville Tom Welling as Clark Kent in Smallville. (Michael Courtney for The CW) Heroes (NBC) Premiered with 9.89 million viewers. Last week, 8.46 million viewers. How the mighty have fallen. While Heroes premiered last year with 16.97 million viewers, the series has taken a significant hit. One bright spot is that the show does very well in DVR viewings later in the week. The bad news is that most of those people don't watch commercials. It's doubtful Heroes is in danger of cancellation at this point, but the show's hit status has vanished. Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Chuck (NBC) Premiered
[scifinoir2] Re: The SAW movies
H... On 3, I can see your point... I can completely see your point, though on the other side of it, because i felt vindicated... when I saw the first scene I was like... why would Jigsaw change the game... the answer was really, really convenient, but hey I am easy girl to please ;) .maybe not I dunno, I guess it just didn't bother me as much. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Tue, 11/4/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The SAW movies (was:[RE][scifinoir2] Horror Marathons on Cable) To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 5:41 AM I completely agree with your assessment of Saw and Saw 2. The original Saw is a text book example of how to create horror and suspense on a very tight budget. The way the writer and director used their disadvantages to their advantage is nothing short of ingenious. For me, the series goes off the rails in Saw 3 because I believe this sequel violates the series implicit contract with the viewer when Jigsaw's assistant breaks the rules of Jigsaw's intricate puzzle tortures. Plus, Saw 3 recycled puzzle tortures from previous movies which, to me, is a sign of filmmakers who are either lazy or out of ideas. I have resisted both Saw IV and Saw V. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ ... wrote: First a disclaimer, we frequently like or laud things that resemble our own aesthetic. So some of the things I like about the Saw series, I may be a little biased about simply because the writer seemed to be saying something I also tried to say (in much more ramped down manner) in my latest release. OK. now that that's out of the way... here are some of the reasons I like it. 1) Regardless of whether you think it's smart or not (I thought it was smart) or find holes in it or not (I didn't find any until late in the series) it'd be difficult for one to argue that this series is not plot driven. I like that. Some of the horror films I don't like are two dimensional. Evil people/creatures with no motive other than hunger do bad things. Sometimes the lore or story behind them is driven by popular culture and there's no value add to the film, which sometimes seems lazy. If not lazy, then pushed aside as the filmmakers tried to accomplish other things like shock. If you like the shock value movies, gore only, etc... that's ok and I don't mean to put anyone down... I'm saying that I get easily bored by it and usually don't finish the movie. I enjoy Saw because it has a plot, a three- dimensional antagonist, and despite the gore, the priority seems to be in the right place for my aesthetic. 2) The first movie absolutely beat my expectations. It did ask the question, hurt someone else or hurt yourself, but it asked more than that. It asked a person to do something abhorrent to save his/her life, thus be forced to recognize the value of life, or fail to do something abhorrent, thus showing that your life doesn't mean that much to you, so you die. I ask a similar question in my novel but it's quite a bit different from the Saw perspective and, well, I've mentioned I'm not much of a gore fan. The selection of the victims for these Jigsaw reindeer games, I thought, was also clever. 3) The second movie really hooked me because of a moment in the movie when me and my date (who had seen the first one in a theater together) both looked at each other and had a huge OMG moment when we recognized one of the characters from the first film and like a completed dot-to-dot, the plot gained dimension where I had *no* expectation for it to. I figured it couldn't possibly get me again... but it did. That made me happy. 4) The third movie, pleased me because we got to spend a lot of time with Jigsaw and two of his subjects. 5) The fourth movie was hard for me to get through... really, no lie... it took several tries for me to watch it, get it. Not that the plot was so intricate that I needed to study it, more that I found it convoluted. I finally only watched it because I wanted to decide if I would see V or not. Yep, four was when I started thinking that I might be done with the series, but V was released... and there was a big deal about the opening... and well... as long as they make them, I'll probably watch them. As a postscript, I also like the musical indicators. When I was little, I used to get scared by scary music in shows, whether what was happening on screen was scary or not... I like the way they use music in the series. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonr eyescole. com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Martin Baxter
Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies
Early voting must be nice! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:29:30 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Voted early last Friday here in the ATL... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anybody else at the polls yet? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:50:37 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Albert Fields'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Cleo'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kai Pettaway'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kera'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Gordon'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Seku Brathwaite'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Valery Jean'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Wendell Theophilus Smith'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Whitney J Evans'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; 'Glenn Sigler'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'paul demorsella'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Chris de Morsella'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Aradia \(Rae\) Corenti[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=61799 My fellow Americans, science fiction has anticipated our current national dilemma: forever wars, economic collapse, mutant zombies running in the streets. Since we're already facing a bunch of science fictional scenarios made real, which candidate would best handle the real tests facing the nation: Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain? Change You Can Believe in is great, so long as abominations from the hollow earth aren't trying to change your very DNA, and putting Country First might not be enough when the whole damned species is threatened by lizard-faced extra-dimensional organ harvesters. Take the following scenarios from SF movies: 1. The Movie: Escape From New York. The President: Donald Pleasence. The Crisis: With all of Manhattan turned into a maximum-security federal prison, a Patty Hearst-like teenybopper Tania take-off terrorist seizes Air Force One and crashes it into Midtown, where the Prez is taken hostage by a gang of convicts led by the voice of Chef himself, Isaac Hayes! Candidate best suited for the crisis: Obama As a former community organizer, he's got a track record in difficult urban settings in which times are tough; even though Hayes' predecessor as the boss of New York, Rudy Giuliani, might diss it, this is valuable experience! And hey ... if you listen to certain talk-radio ranters, Obama really knows how to talk to domestic terrorists in really palsy-walsy terms! It might make it easier for Obama to get the New York State vote, but with 8 million votes in Manhattan negated (felons can't vote in New York State), those 31 electoral votes might get trimmed down some. 2. The Movie: Superman II. The President: E.G. Marshall. The Crisis: Phantom Zone escapees Ursa, Non and General Zod use their incredible superpowers to subdue the Planet Houston (OK ... Earth), raiding the White House and forcing a comically toupee'd president (whose rug makes Joe Biden's hair plugs look as natural as Fabio's mane) to kneel before Zod and swear fealty to the Kryptonian criminal. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain His Secure Borders policy would apply to Kryptonians, too (even though if he extended it to include Smallville, Kan., he might alienate Sen. Brownback and lose six electoral votes in the process). 'Sides, ... who wouldn't want to see a catfight between Ursa and Palin (under whose jurisdiction Superman's Fortress of Solitude would fall, assuming it's not on federal land)? 3. The Movie: Independence Day. The President: Bill Pullman. The Crisis: A bunch of really nasty and hostile aliens take a page from Clarke's Childhood's End and make it real as they park giant spacecraft over the world's cities and proceed to blow them up. A ragtag bunch of refugees must rise up and fight the invaders. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain At the climax, President Pullman clambers into a fighter jet and joins an assault on the aliens. Well, we know who's got the edge there, don't we, even though he might be a little rusty after 40 or so years? The crisis forces the Prez to nuke Houston, so that's 34 electoral votes from Texas vaporized into shiny, shiny fallout. 4. The Movie: Fail Safe. The President: Henry Fonda. The Crisis: Six Vindicator bombers are screeching their way into Russia. Having gone past their fail safe points, they can't be recalled, so the Prez must get on the Moscow hotline (along with translator Larry Hagman) to help the Soviets bring down the squadron before Moscow is nuked to glowing rubble while
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking
The actual services are really good. It's just the customer service that seems to be lacking. --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 3:48 AM Same here, I was thinking about it. My Comcast bill recent surged by more than fifty percent. I’m switching to Qwest I guess From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking So noted, Bosco. If I go that route, I'll be careful. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) From : Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To : Sci Fi Noir [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Okay so I have detailed my ATT Uverse experience previously. Today I am so distressed by the incompetence of ATT that I am seriously rethinking my entire deal. For those who are interested, here's the review. Over a month ago, I bought a three service package from ATT: Internet, TV and VOIP Phone. It took weeks to get an Austin install because there's a backlog in Dallas. Apparently the brain trust at ATT thinks the best idea to solve the backlog is to create a backlog in two cities rather than hire more people in the place where service sucks so they're sending half the Austin Techs to work in Dallas. I'm patient and I wait. I've waited for years for TV and I already have phone and internet. The day arrives. The Tech shows up. He gets everything going. He's really good at his job. I was cable installer for a while. I know when a guy is competent or not. However, there's a network outage that's messing up new installs. At 6PM, I'm been home for over 8 hours waiting for my services to work and no other services available. Finally it's determined that the VOIP phone is preventing the other services from working and has to be cancelled and reordered. I do so with some twinge of doubt that this will work. I wait three more weeks for an VOIP install. I wait at home for the guy to come and HE NEVER SHOWS UP He's supposed to be there at 3PM. At a couple of minutes before 3PM, I call ATT to get an idea of when he's coming. The person who answers, hereafter referred to as Phonetard acts as if I am inconveniencing her precious time on the job with my inquiry and tells me he's probably just running late. I wait til 6PM when I have an appointment and no one ever shows up or calls to tell me what up. Today I wake up, put in a call to ATT. I'm hold for 30 minutes. I literally cooked and ate breakfast while I waited for someone to talk to me. I had my dishes finished before I talked to a human being. She promptly transfers me to a Uverse specialist who can't find me or my phone number in her system, even though I already have ATT phone. I've not received a bill so I don't have a Uverse account number. Again, she acts as if my insistence on resolving my issue is a major inconvenience for her. I'm not rude. I don't yell or curse or call people names but I am incredulous that I can't be located in a system for which I have been an established customer for over a decade, 8 years at my current number. She transfers me to customer service. Who puts me on hold. The finally locate me through my cell phone number which is not a part of my ATT billing. I spend the better part of TWO HOURS on hold and finally hang up when it becomes clear that no one is ever going to return to deal with me. I had planned to hang up earlier but felt a need to see if they would really let me hold for TWO HOURS. They really did. (I watched My Own Worst Enemy off the DVR. Not so great. Added nothing to my experience)After I hang up and call back, I get someone on the phone who again has to locate me through my cell phone number but was kind enough to get my account number. After twenty more minutes of waiting, I'm told they're gonna have to call me back. All of this is underscored for me by the fact that if I keep the service, I am gonna have to spend another day waiting for an INSTALLER who may or may not even friggin show up. I feel the pull of Time Warner Cable calling even though the internet and cable package from ATT is way way better. If you're thinking of ATT, be aware that getting everything installed and running is apparently a physical impossibility. Bosco
Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies
Anybody else at the polls yet? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:50:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Albert Fields'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Cleo'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kai Pettaway'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kera'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Gordon'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Seku Brathwaite'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Valery Jean'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Wendell Theophilus Smith'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Whitney J Evans'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; 'Glenn Sigler'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'paul demorsella'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Chris de Morsella'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Aradia \(Rae\) Corenti[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=61799 My fellow Americans, science fiction has anticipated our current national dilemma: forever wars, economic collapse, mutant zombies running in the streets. Since we're already facing a bunch of science fictional scenarios made real, which candidate would best handle the real tests facing the nation: Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain? Change You Can Believe in is great, so long as abominations from the hollow earth aren't trying to change your very DNA, and putting Country First might not be enough when the whole damned species is threatened by lizard-faced extra-dimensional organ harvesters. Take the following scenarios from SF movies: 1. The Movie: Escape From New York. pleasence The President: Donald Pleasence. The Crisis: With all of Manhattan turned into a maximum-security federal prison, a Patty Hearst-like teenybopper Tania take-off terrorist seizes Air Force One and crashes it into Midtown, where the Prez is taken hostage by a gang of convicts led by the voice of Chef himself, Isaac Hayes! Candidate best suited for the crisis: Obama http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/news_thumbnails/Obama_tn.jpg As a former community organizer, he's got a track record in difficult urban settings in which times are tough; even though Hayes' predecessor as the boss of New York, Rudy Giuliani, might diss it, this is valuable experience! And hey ... if you listen to certain talk-radio ranters, Obama really knows how to talk to domestic terrorists in really palsy-walsy terms! It might make it easier for Obama to get the New York State vote, but with 8 million votes in Manhattan negated (felons can't vote in New York State), those 31 electoral votes might get trimmed down some. _ 2. The Movie: Superman II. The President: E.G. Marshall. The Crisis: Phantom Zone escapees Ursa, Non and General Zod use their incredible superpowers to subdue the Planet Houston (OK ... Earth), raiding the White House and forcing a comically toupee'd president (whose rug makes Joe Biden's hair plugs look as natural as Fabio's mane) to kneel before Zod and swear fealty to the Kryptonian criminal. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain happening His Secure Borders policy would apply to Kryptonians, too (even though if he extended it to include Smallville, Kan., he might alienate Sen. Brownback and lose six electoral votes in the process). 'Sides, ... who wouldn't want to see a catfight between Ursa and Palin (under whose jurisdiction Superman's Fortress of Solitude would fall, assuming it's not on federal land)? _ 3. The Movie: Independence Day. The President: Bill Pullman. The Crisis: A bunch of really nasty and hostile aliens take a page from Clarke's Childhood's End and make it real as they park giant spacecraft over the world's cities and proceed to blow them up. A ragtag bunch of refugees must rise up and fight the invaders. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain happening At the climax, President Pullman clambers into a fighter jet and joins an assault on the aliens. Well, we know who's got the edge there, don't we, even though he might be a little rusty after 40 or so years? The crisis forces the Prez to nuke Houston, so that's 34 electoral votes from Texas vaporized into shiny, shiny fallout. _ 4. The Movie: Fail Safe. fonda The President: Henry Fonda. The Crisis: Six Vindicator bombers are screeching their way into Russia. Having gone past their fail safe points, they can't be recalled, so the Prez must get on the Moscow hotline (along with translator Larry Hagman) to help the Soviets bring down the squadron before Moscow is nuked to glowing rubble while a hawkish academic named Professor Groeteschele (Walter Matthau) offers tips on how to use this SNAFU to end the Russkies once and for all. Candidate best suited for the crisis: Obama happening As the character Professor Groeteschele
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking
Bad customer service is a deal breaker for me. Maybe later after they get it ironed out. While they are in the area, they are not serving us yet anyway From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:27 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking The actual services are really good. It's just the customer service that seems to be lacking. --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 3:48 AM Same here, I was thinking about it. My Comcast bill recent surged by more than fifty percent. I?m switching to Qwest I guess From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking So noted, Bosco. If I go that route, I'll be careful. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) From : Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To : Sci Fi Noir [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Okay so I have detailed my ATT Uverse experience previously. Today I am so distressed by the incompetence of ATT that I am seriously rethinking my entire deal. For those who are interested, here's the review. Over a month ago, I bought a three service package from ATT: Internet, TV and VOIP Phone. It took weeks to get an Austin install because there's a backlog in Dallas. Apparently the brain trust at ATT thinks the best idea to solve the backlog is to create a backlog in two cities rather than hire more people in the place where service sucks so they're sending half the Austin Techs to work in Dallas. I'm patient and I wait. I've waited for years for TV and I already have phone and internet. The day arrives. The Tech shows up. He gets everything going. He's really good at his job. I was cable installer for a while. I know when a guy is competent or not. However, there's a network outage that's messing up new installs. At 6PM, I'm been home for over 8 hours waiting for my services to work and no other services available. Finally it's determined that the VOIP phone is preventing the other services from working and has to be cancelled and reordered. I do so with some twinge of doubt that this will work. I wait three more weeks for an VOIP install. I wait at home for the guy to come and HE NEVER SHOWS UP He's supposed to be there at 3PM. At a couple of minutes before 3PM, I call ATT to get an idea of when he's coming. The person who answers, hereafter referred to as Phonetard acts as if I am inconveniencing her precious time on the job with my inquiry and tells me he's probably just running late. I wait til 6PM when I have an appointment and no one ever shows up or calls to tell me what up. Today I wake up, put in a call to ATT. I'm hold for 30 minutes. I literally cooked and ate breakfast while I waited for someone to talk to me. I had my dishes finished before I talked to a human being. She promptly transfers me to a Uverse specialist who can't find me or my phone number in her system, even though I already have ATT phone. I've not received a bill so I don't have a Uverse account number. Again, she acts as if my insistence on resolving my issue is a major inconvenience for her. I'm not rude. I don't yell or curse or call people names but I am incredulous that I can't be located in a system for which I have been an established customer for over a decade, 8 years at my current number. She transfers me to customer service. Who puts me on hold. The finally locate me through my cell phone number which is not a part of my ATT billing. I spend the better part of TWO HOURS on hold and finally hang up when it becomes clear that no one is ever going to return to deal with me. I had planned to hang up earlier but felt a need to see if they would really let me hold for TWO HOURS. They really did. (I watched My Own Worst Enemy off the DVR. Not so great. Added nothing to my experience)After I hang up and call back, I get someone on the phone who again has to locate me through my cell phone number but was kind enough to get my account number. After twenty more minutes of waiting, I'm told they're gonna have to call me back. All of this is underscored for me by the fact that if I keep the service, I am gonna have to spend another day waiting for an INSTALLER who may or may not even friggin show up. I feel the pull of Time Warner Cable calling even though the internet and cable package from ATT is way way better. If you're thinking of ATT, be aware that getting everything installed and running is apparently a physical impossibility. Bosco
[scifinoir2] McCain's Mother Really Doesn't Care If He Wins Anymore, Sister Says
In an exclusive interview with The Daily Beast, Rowena Willis says her twin sister is resigned about McCain's fate. A grueling and bitter campaign has taken its toll on family morale, John McCain's aunt, Rowena Willis, told The Daily Beast today in an exclusive interview. According to the 96 year-old Willis, her twin sister, Roberta McCain, the candidate's mother, has become resigned to her son's electoral fate. She really doesn't care, Willis said of her 96-year old twin sister, who has campaigned for her son and recorded TV ads with him. 'Let these bastards get in,' she says, 'I don't give a damn anymore. If these people want to buy votes and get their people in office, let them suffer for it in the way of high taxes.' I'm hoping he wins, for the country's sake, McCain's aunt said. I figure it will kill him, but he's going to die one day anyway, so he might as well do it there. Willis has done her part for her nephew's campaign, donating the maximum $2,300 to the candidate in June. Today she joined two nieces at 6:30 a.m. to go vote at a precinct on Larchmont Blvd. in Los Angeles, California, where she said turnout was unusually high. I waited an hour at least, she said. I've lived here 65 years and I've never seen lines like this. She said she had little patience for voters who complained about long lines at early voting stations that were open throughout the week in various states. I sat in line more than an hour today and I'm nearly 100. We should have one day of voting and if these people are too weak to vote, too bad, she said. In an interview earlier this month with The Daily Beast, Willis told me that McCain http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-15/mccains-auntie-sa ys-hes-losing/ was losing. McCain's mother told supporters at the time to pray for a miracle, and Willis said she was still praying for a victory for her beloved nephew, whom she described as honest and incorruptible. I'm hoping he wins, for the country's sake. I figure it will kill him, but he's going to die one day anyway, so he might as well do it there, she said, But that man is honest-he has all the money in the world, he could do whatever he wants, even without his wife's money, which he does not have; they keep it separate. He has a good pension from the Navy and my father was very rich. Sarah Palin also won high praise from Willis: I think she's marvelous. I don't care how inexperienced she is or anything else-she's been through a lot. She did vote against her party and she has cancelled a lot of those pork barrel requests in Alaska. As a mother of five, Willis said she was most concerned about how the election would impact the younger generations in her family. They will be broke with the Democrats in, with the number of people they will have to pay who have never paid a dollar of income tax in their life, she said. Our children will suffer. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-04/mccains-auntie-spe aks-again/
[scifinoir2] Fox News Black Panther Election Voter Intimadation Story Reported to be False
Obama Volunteer On Scene Disputes Fox News' Suggestions That Black Panthers Are Intimidating Voters By Greg Sargent http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/sargent - November 4, 2008, 3:04PM Fox News and other conservatives on the Web are pushing hard on the story that two black panthers may be intimidating voters at a polling place in north Philadelphia. But an Obama campaign volunteer who's been on the scene since 6:30 AM this morning tells me in a phone interview that there's been absolutely no intimidation of voters at all today. And a Pennsylvania spokesperson for Obama said the two men aren't in any way affiliated with the campaign. Fox News' story is right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg here. It says one of two black panthers on the scene was allegedly blocking the door, says another was holding a nightstick. and adds that the concern was that they were intimidating people who were trying to go inside to vote. But Jacqueline Dischell, the Obama volunteer, tells me by phone that that's false. Dischell confirms that there were in fact two black panthers guarding the polling place, a nursing home on Fairmont Avenue in north Philadelphia, earlier this morning. But she says one was an officially designated poll watcher (it was not immediately clear which municipal office had designated him in that role), and the second was his friend. The second panther, who left two or three hours ago, was the one with the nightstick, she says. Dischell says that earlier this morning a few men who identified themselves as being from the McCain campaign came and started taking pictures of the two panthers on their cell phones. She suggested that they seemed to be baiting the panthers, and that the designated watcher may have given one of them the finger in response to the picture taking. The police came roughly an hour and a half later. She says she talked to the cops and told them there had been no incident. The police drove away without getting out of the car, she adds. Some time later, a second, larger group of men whose affiliation couldn't be determined came with real cameras and started taking more pictures. Maybe 15 minutes later the cops returned. This time, they spoke to people on both sides, and told the panther not designated to watch the polls to leave, which he did without an argument. There was no fight, nothing, she says. Fox News arrived on the scene at around that time and started interviewing people near the entrance. The building manager asked the Fox reporter to leave, she says, and he moved further from the entrance. That's where things now stand. There has been no fighting, no voter intimidation at all, she said. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/obama_volunteer_on_s cene_dispu.php#more
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend
netflix has become my new Action Pack Bosco --- On Mon, 11/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:58 PM Well said. Same here. I like sword-and-sorcery stuff, but this wasn't scintillating, just acceptable escapist fare. Like I said last night, I miss the days when there were several shows like this on TV that I could watch (or not) at my leisure. It's fun to have shows like this that you can watch when bored, during a cold rainy day, etc., then ignore for a while. Not must-see's, but good time wasters. Remember when there used to be The Action Pack? It was a block of shows from Universal Television that were aired together in blocks, often on Saturdays. At its heyday it included Hercules, Xena, Team Knight Rider, Vanishing Son, TekWar, and others. I didn't watch any of them regularly, but it was so cool on some Saturdays to come home after running errands, plop down on the couch, and spend a couple of hours in worlds of fantasy or scifi. http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Universal_ TV's_Act ion_Pack -- Original message -- From: ironpigs3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] com So I watched the first episode. It wasn't great. It wasn't terrible. I don't really care that it's not faithful to the original material. In terms of television, I watch adapted material as if it is completely different. It can't ever be as good as the source material so I don't sweat it at all. The term reimagined gets thrown around a lot and that's how I view all made for TV adaptations. To date, I've not really been a big fan of sword and sorcery fiction in any form. Perhaps it's my ignorance of the genre and the qualities there in but I found it watchable on a purely cheesey escapist level. I'll probably give it a go for a while. It seems to me that the theme for this tv season is settling for less. since I'm already in that mind set, I'll run with Legend of the Seeker for a while. B --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Let us kn ow what you think. Responses in the group so far range from thinking it's okay to not that good.
[RE][scifinoir2] EYE Voted!
I signed on the cyber-dotted line at about eleven this morn or so (not sure of the exact time), after waiting about two hours. (LOTS of moe-rons in Jawja plumb don't know where they're supposed to vote at - at least five people in front of me were shipped off for just that reason. They were eligible, but were at the wrong precinct. I can only guess that Reading Isn't Fundamental hereabouts, because each person's polling place is clearly printed on the voter-registration card.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] EYE Voted! Date : Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:43:05 - From : ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I exercised my franchise here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (a great place on a great lake) this morning after I got my children to school. There was a one and a half hour wait.
Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies
Yep. About 2 weeks ago here in NC. On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voted early last Friday here in the ATL... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anybody else at the polls yet? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:50:37 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Albert Fields'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Cleo'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kai Pettaway'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kera'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Gordon'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Seku Brathwaite'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Valery Jean'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Wendell Theophilus Smith'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Whitney J Evans'sono [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; 'Glenn Sigler'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'paul demorsella'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Chris de Morsella'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Aradia \(Rae\) Corenti[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=61799 My fellow Americans, science fiction has anticipated our current national dilemma: forever wars, economic collapse, mutant zombies running in the streets. Since we're already facing a bunch of science fictional scenarios made real, which candidate would best handle the real tests facing the nation: Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain? Change You Can Believe in is great, so long as abominations from the hollow earth aren't trying to change your very DNA, and putting Country First might not be enough when the whole damned species is threatened by lizard-faced extra-dimensional organ harvesters. Take the following scenarios from SF movies: 1. The Movie: Escape From New York. The President: Donald Pleasence. The Crisis: With all of Manhattan turned into a maximum-security federal prison, a Patty Hearst-like teenybopper Tania take-off terrorist seizes Air Force One and crashes it into Midtown, where the Prez is taken hostage by a gang of convicts led by the voice of Chef himself, Isaac Hayes! Candidate best suited for the crisis: Obama As a former community organizer, he's got a track record in difficult urban settings in which times are tough; even though Hayes' predecessor as the boss of New York, Rudy Giuliani, might diss it, this is valuable experience! And hey ... if you listen to certain talk-radio ranters, Obama really knows how to talk to domestic terrorists in really palsy-walsy terms! It might make it easier for Obama to get the New York State vote, but with 8 million votes in Manhattan negated (felons can't vote in New York State), those 31 electoral votes might get trimmed down some. 2. The Movie: Superman II. The President: E.G. Marshall. The Crisis: Phantom Zone escapees Ursa, Non and General Zod use their incredible superpowers to subdue the Planet Houston (OK ... Earth), raiding the White House and forcing a comically toupee'd president (whose rug makes Joe Biden's hair plugs look as natural as Fabio's mane) to kneel before Zod and swear fealty to the Kryptonian criminal. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain His Secure Borders policy would apply to Kryptonians, too (even though if he extended it to include Smallville, Kan., he might alienate Sen. Brownback and lose six electoral votes in the process). 'Sides, ... who wouldn't want to see a catfight between Ursa and Palin (under whose jurisdiction Superman's Fortress of Solitude would fall, assuming it's not on federal land)? 3. The Movie: Independence Day. The President: Bill Pullman. The Crisis: A bunch of really nasty and hostile aliens take a page from Clarke's Childhood's End and make it real as they park giant spacecraft over the world's cities and proceed to blow them up. A ragtag bunch of refugees must rise up and fight the invaders. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain At the climax, President Pullman clambers into a fighter jet and joins an assault on the aliens. Well, we know who's got the edge there, don't we, even though he might be a little rusty after 40 or so years? The crisis forces the Prez to nuke Houston, so that's 34 electoral votes from Texas vaporized into shiny, shiny fallout. 4. The Movie: Fail Safe. The President: Henry Fonda. The Crisis: Six Vindicator bombers are screeching their way into Russia. Having gone past their fail safe points, they can't be recalled, so the Prez must get on the Moscow hotline (along with translator Larry Hagman) to help the Soviets bring down the squadron before Moscow is nuked to glowing rubble while a hawkish academic named Professor Groeteschele (Walter Matthau)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
Means that I have to break my promise to myself and catch Traitor when it's out on DVD. Since I did like the previews, I'll bite the bullet. I already see your meaning re: :Mission To Mars. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol? redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
[RE][scifinoir2] McCain's Mother Really Doesn't Care If He Wins Anymore, Sister Says
IMO, this is the perfect description of the fundamental sadness that is the GOP mindset. In so many ways, THEY JUST DON'T GRASP THE REALITY OF THINGS. (Pardon the shouting. Can't get the fancy text stuff to work.) And, if any Republicans I run into after Obama wins should be visibly b*tching and moaning, I'll say this to them. North, south, east or west. Pick a direction, go in it. You'll eventually hit a border. Secure whatever transportation you need to keep going in your chosen direction, then use it. Feel free to return whenever you like. Just remember this - you're American, and people outside of America are likely to be less than overjoyed to see you... Martin (gives up soapbox to next speaker) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] McCain's Mother Really Doesn't Care If He Wins Anymore, Sister Says Date : Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:01:17 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Chris de Morsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'grassroots4obama' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'ObamaBrigade' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phyllis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Albert Fields' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cleo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],'Kai Pettaway' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kera' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Michael Gordon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],'Seku Brathwaite' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Valery Jean' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Whitney J Evans' sonofafie! [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] In an exclusive interview with The Daily Beast, Rowena Willis says her twin sister is resigned about McCain's fate. A grueling and bitter campaign has taken its toll on family morale, John McCain's aunt, Rowena Willis, told The Daily Beast today in an exclusive interview. According to the 96 year-old Willis, her twin sister, Roberta McCain, the candidate's mother, has become resigned to her son's electoral fate. She really doesn't care, Willis said of her 96-year old twin sister, who has campaigned for her son and recorded TV ads with him. 'Let these bastards get in,' she says, 'I don't give a damn anymore. If these people want to buy votes and get their people in office, let them suffer for it in the way of high taxes.' I'm hoping he wins, for the country's sake, McCain's aunt said. I figure it will kill him, but he's going to die one day anyway, so he might as well do it there. Willis has done her part for her nephew's campaign, donating the maximum $2,300 to the candidate in June. Today she joined two nieces at 6:30 a.m. to go vote at a precinct on Larchmont Blvd. in Los Angeles, California, where she said turnout was unusually high. I waited an hour at least, she said. I've lived here 65 years and I've never seen lines like this. She said she had little patience for voters who complained about long lines at early voting stations that were open throughout the week in various states. I sat in line more than an hour today and I'm nearly 100. We should have one day of voting and if these people are too weak to vote, too bad, she said. In an interview earlier this month with The Daily Beast, Willis told me that McCain ys-hes-losing/ was losing. McCain's mother told supporters at the time to pray for a miracle, and Willis said she was still praying for a victory for her beloved nephew, whom she described as honest and incorruptible. I'm hoping he wins, for the country's sake. I figure it will kill him, but he's going to die one day anyway, so he might as well do it there, she said, But that man is honest-he has all the money in the world, he could do whatever he wants, even without his wife's money, which he does not have; they keep it separate. He has a good pension from the Navy and my father was very rich. Sarah Palin also won high praise from Willis: I think she's marvelous. I don't care how inexperienced she is or anything else-she's been through a lot. She did vote against her party and she has cancelled a lot of those pork barrel requests in Alaska. As a mother of five, Willis said she was most concerned about how the election would impact the younger generations in her family. They will be broke with the Democrats in, with the number of people they will have to pay who have never paid a dollar of income tax in their life, she said. Our children will suffer. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-04/mccains-auntie-spe aks-again/
[RE][scifinoir2] Fox News Black Panther Election Voter Intimadation Story Reported to be False
Believe what Faux/Fixed/Fox says only f you own a salt mine or three. Last week, they reputedly had proof that the LA Times had video of Obama, Bill Ayres and a Palestinian activist at a fund raiser, listening to anti-American poetry being read. (I think it was poetry. Anti-American, for certain.) The Nine Circles must've been overcrowded, to allow Uncle Rupert and His Clowns to be here and working... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Fox News Black Panther Election Voter Intimadation Story Reported to be False Date : Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:07:04 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : 'grassroots4obama' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'ObamaBrigade' [EMAIL PROTECTED], scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Chris de Morsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],'Albert Fields' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cleo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],'Kai Pettaway' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Kera' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Michael Gordon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],'Seku Brathwaite' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Valery Jean' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Wendell Theophilus Smith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Whitney J Evans' [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] et Obama Volunteer On Scene Disputes Fox News' Suggestions That Black Panthers Are Intimidating Voters By Greg Sargent - November 4, 2008, 3:04PM Fox News and other conservatives on the Web are pushing hard on the story that two black panthers may be intimidating voters at a polling place in north Philadelphia. But an Obama campaign volunteer who's been on the scene since 6:30 AM this morning tells me in a phone interview that there's been absolutely no intimidation of voters at all today. And a Pennsylvania spokesperson for Obama said the two men aren't in any way affiliated with the campaign. Fox News' story is right here. It says one of two black panthers on the scene was allegedly blocking the door, says another was holding a nightstick. and adds that the concern was that they were intimidating people who were trying to go inside to vote. But Jacqueline Dischell, the Obama volunteer, tells me by phone that that's false. Dischell confirms that there were in fact two black panthers guarding the polling place, a nursing home on Fairmont Avenue in north Philadelphia, earlier this morning. But she says one was an officially designated poll watcher (it was not immediately clear which municipal office had designated him in that role), and the second was his friend. The second panther, who left two or three hours ago, was the one with the nightstick, she says. Dischell says that earlier this morning a few men who identified themselves as being from the McCain campaign came and started taking pictures of the two panthers on their cell phones. She suggested that they seemed to be baiting the panthers, and that the designated watcher may have given one of them the finger in response to the picture taking. The police came roughly an hour and a half later. She says she talked to the cops and told them there had been no incident. The police drove away without getting out of the car, she adds. Some time later, a second, larger group of men whose affiliation couldn't be determined came with real cameras and started taking more pictures. Maybe 15 minutes later the cops returned. This time, they spoke to people on both sides, and told the panther not designated to watch the polls to leave, which he did without an argument. There was no fight, nothing, she says. Fox News arrived on the scene at around that time and started interviewing people near the entrance. The building manager asked the Fox reporter to leave, she says, and he moved further from the entrance. That's where things now stand. There has been no fighting, no voter intimidation at all, she said. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/obama_volunteer_on_s cene_dispu.php#more
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
Tracey, in a word, no. Can't remember who posted this this morning, rave I believe (day's been a blur for me), saying that he'd been higher paid than another person at his job, and how much of a stink the other guy caused. That's all that is. Someone got wind of the numbers and raised Unholy Heck. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:48:45 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Do you guys think there is any truth to their claim about having to pay him more than anyone else, being difficult to work with, and having to reshoot his scenes because of performance issues or is that just spin? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:44 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Unless i'm mistaken Rhodes has been portrayed as dark skin many times over the years. In Civil War', for example, he's wy darker than light-skinned, greenish eyed Howard. In terms of pure skin color, Cheadle's closer than Howard. But I still think they did Howard wrong. Might be business as usual, but he sure didn't see it coming... -- Original message -- From: votomguy While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an a ppeara nce I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Daryle Lockhart wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. amp;g t; -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. amp; gt; -G TW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling W hen a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking
When Astro comes in, his SPIT shall join mine upon the Bloated Carcass That Is COMCRAP... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking Date : Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:48:23 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Same here, I was thinking about it. My Comcast bill recent surged by more than fifty percent. I’m switching to Qwest I guess From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking So noted, Bosco. If I go that route, I'll be careful. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] ATT Uverse Now Rethinking Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) From : Bosco Bosco To : Sci Fi Noir Okay so I have detailed my ATT Uverse experience previously. Today I am so distressed by the incompetence of ATT that I am seriously rethinking my entire deal. For those who are interested, here's the review. Over a month ago, I bought a three service package from ATT: Internet, TV and VOIP Phone. It took weeks to get an Austin install because there's a backlog in Dallas. Apparently the brain trust at ATT thinks the best idea to solve the backlog is to create a backlog in two cities rather than hire more people in the place where service sucks so they're sending half the Austin Techs to work in Dallas. I'm patient and I wait. I've waited for years for TV and I already have phone and internet. The day arrives. The Tech shows up. He gets everything going. He's really good at his job. I was cable installer for a while. I know when a guy is competent or not. However, there's a network outage that's messing up new installs. At 6PM, I'm been home for over 8 hours waiting for my services to work and no other services available. Finally it's determined that the VOIP phone is preventing the other services from working and has to be cancelled and reordered. I do so with some twinge of doubt that this will work. I wait three more weeks for an VOIP install. I wait at home for the guy to come and HE NEVER SHOWS UP He's supposed to be there at 3PM. At a couple of minutes before 3PM, I call ATT to get an idea of when he's coming. The person who answers, hereafter referred to as Phonetard acts as if I am inconveniencing her precious time on the job with my inquiry and tells me he's probably just running late. I wait til 6PM when I have an appointment and no one ever shows up or calls to tell me what up. Today I wake up, put in a call to ATT. I'm hold for 30 minutes. I literally cooked and ate breakfast while I waited for someone to talk to me. I had my dishes finished before I talked to a human being. She promptly transfers me to a Uverse specialist who can't find me or my phone number in her system, even though I already have ATT phone. I've not received a bill so I don't have a Uverse account number. Again, she acts as if my insistence on resolving my issue is a major inconvenience for her. I'm not rude. I don't yell or curse or call people names but I am incredulous that I can't be located in a system for which I have been an established customer for over a decade, 8 years at my current number. She transfers me to customer service. Who puts me on hold. The finally locate me through my cell phone number which is not a part of my ATT billing. I spend the better part of TWO HOURS on hold and finally hang up when it becomes clear that no one is ever going to return to deal with me. I had planned to hang up earlier but felt a need to see if they would really let me hold for TWO HOURS. They really did. (I watched My Own Worst Enemy off the DVR. Not so great. Added nothing to my experience)After I hang up and call back, I get someone on the phone who again has to locate me through my cell phone number but was kind enough to get my account number. After twenty more minutes of waiting, I'm told they're gonna have to call me back. All of this is underscored for me by the fact that if I keep the service, I am gonna have to spend another day waiting for an INSTALLER who may or may not even friggin show up. I feel the pull of Time Warner Cable calling even though the internet and cable package from ATT is way way better. If you're thinking of ATT, be aware that getting everything installed and running is apparently a physical impossibility. Bosco
Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend
SPOILERS FOR THE BOOKS In the Book (Wizards First Rule) Richard is made to read and memorize the book of shadows from a very young age. His father (Richard Cyper) made him memorize the book. Once Richard had the book memorized the book and could recite it back to his father word for word the book was destroyed. So unless they show Richard memorizing the book in a flashback I am not sure how they will reconcile the books destruction. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Grayson Reyes-Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spoil the show, eh? Um... I don't mind... put SPOILER at the top and gimme the goods. :) Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1404676985 Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On *Mon, 11/3/08, Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:26 PM I dont want to spoil the show, but I can say that they left out a huge chunk of information regarding Zedd, Richard, the book and George Cypher. So large that it affects the outcome of the end of the first book, and in some way each book that comes after it. The curiosity of how they are going to deal with this (flashback maybe) is the only reason I may keep watching. Jeff On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Jeff, In the text he *doesn't* toss the book into the fire? If not, sounds like a huge misstep! The guy does seem a bit, well, wee for the part. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonr eyescole. com http://www.graysonreyescole.com/ Facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1404676985 Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On *Mon, 11/3/08, Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] com[EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: From: Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:07 AM Well first of all the guy is too small and too chiseled. Richard is supposed to be this big farm boy type of guy. Big enough that he is the same size if not bigger than the D'harian troops (who are supposed to be huge). He also lacks the confidence and resolve that Richard has in the books. Richard is able to see the truth in things and accpet them, the actor playing Richard seemed a bit unsure of himself and his destiny. They also seem to have left themselves with a big whole to fill with the book of shadows so I am a bit curious as to how they will deal with that, but I'm not sure if I will be able to force myself to watch another 20 episodes. Jeff On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What specifically about the actor playing Richard do yoiu not like? What would be your thought for a better type of actor? -- Original message -- From: Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] com [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have to warn everyone that if you have read the series and you really like it, try to stay away from the show. It is loosely based on the books with many differences, and in my opionion Richard is cast completly wrong (totally not what I imagined when I read the books). Jeff 2008/11/2 Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the heads up. I've set the DVR to record. it took me a minute to find the first two episodes since I had missed them and I had to do a little research to figure out what I had missed but WGN has them rerunning this week. I set up a location station to record the rest of the series. I haven't read the books and I don't know anything about it but I figured it was worth a shot. B --- On *Sun, 11/2/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 1:33 AM Watching this series debut this weekend? It's based on the Sword of Truth novels by Terry Goodkind. I've never read them, though I have several of the books in that gotta read this someday stack. Seems they're taking it seriously: filming is primarilty down in New Zealand, with Raimi and Tapert (Hercules, Xena) as two of the executive producers, and Disney-ABC behind the distribution deal. iTunes is offering a free 30 -minute downloadable preview of the
[scifinoir2] Obama Wins PA
BREAKING NEWS msnbc.com and NBC News updated 5:03 p.m. PT, Tues., Nov. 4, 2008 Democratic Sen. Barack Obama http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16438329/ opened a big lead in the Electoral College in the presidential election Tuesday night as NBC News projected that he had won Pennsylvania, which both parties had targeted as critical to winning the race, along with several other large Eastern and Midwestern states. NBC projected that Obama had also won Massachusetts, New Jersey and his home state of Illinois, three states with hefty electoral vote hauls. He also won Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, New Hampshire and Vermont, the network's political unit projected. Obama was also leading in Ohio, another major prize, although NBC News said the results were still too early to call definitively. Republican Sen. John McCain http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16438320/ won Kentucky, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Tennessee, while he was leading in Alabama, Mississippi and West Virginia in races that were too early or too close to project. Among other major battleground states, Florida and Indiana were too close to call, while Missouri was too early to call, NBC said. The polls had also closed in Georgia, Virginia and North Carolina, where it was too close or too early to make definitive projections. Results were expected to be delayed across the country as record numbers of voters flocked to polling stations, energized by an election in which they would select either the nation's first black president or its first female vice president. Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, led in nearly all public opinion polls over McCain, a veteran senator from Arizona. Both campaigns launched get-out-the-vote efforts that led to long lines at polling stations in a contest that Democrats were also hoping would help them expand their majorities in both houses of Congress. Americans were voting in numbers unprecedented since women were given the franchise in 1920. Secretaries of state predicted turnouts approaching 90 percent in Virginia and Colorado and 80 percent or more in big states like Ohio, California, Texas, Missouri and Maryland. At Bethany Lutheran Church in Tacoma, Wash., the line was so long that poll workers shut things down for about 10 minutes to regroup, handing out numbers for voters to wait until they were called. I have a heart condition, and I can't stand in that line, said Charles Moore, who said he had been waiting for several hours. And the line just keeps going and going. At New Shiloh Church Ministries on Mastin Lake in Huntsville, Ala., Stephanie Lacy-Conerly brought along a chair, expecting to stay for hours. It's exciting, she said. It's an historical moment.
[scifinoir2] Obama Takes Missouri Based on Exit Polls
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/ Based on the Exit Polls Obama Won 51% of the male vote and 55% of the female Vote in Missouri
[scifinoir2] Exit Polls Show Obama won Virginia
The Exit Polls show Obama Won VA He Won Women by 56% and men by 53% http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#mapPVAc
[scifinoir2] Exit Poll - Obama won IN exit Poll
He got 49% of men. So did Mc Cain and he got 55% of Women http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#mapPIN I hope this stuff is true. It could be a landslide
RE: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies
I voted last Tuesday From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:11 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Yep. About 2 weeks ago here in NC. On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voted early last Friday here in the ATL... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anybody else at the polls yet? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT _ From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:50:37 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Albert Fields'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Cleo'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kai Pettaway'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kera'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Gordon'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Seku Brathwaite'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Valery Jean'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Wendell Theophilus Smith'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Whitney J Evans'sono [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; 'Glenn Sigler'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'paul demorsella'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Chris de Morsella'[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Aradia \(Rae\) Corenti[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=61799 My fellow Americans, science fiction has anticipated our current national dilemma: forever wars, economic collapse, mutant zombies running in the streets. Since we're already facing a bunch of science fictional scenarios made real, which candidate would best handle the real tests facing the nation: Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain? Change You Can Believe in is great, so long as abominations from the hollow earth aren't trying to change your very DNA, and putting Country First might not be enough when the whole damned species is threatened by lizard-faced extra-dimensional organ harvesters. Take the following scenarios from SF movies: 1. The Movie: Escape From New York. pleasence The President: Donald Pleasence. The Crisis: With all of Manhattan turned into a maximum-security federal prison, a Patty Hearst-like teenybopper Tania take-off terrorist seizes Air Force One and crashes it into Midtown, where the Prez is taken hostage by a gang of convicts led by the voice of Chef himself, Isaac Hayes! Candidate best suited for the crisis: Obama http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/news_thumbnails/Obama_tn.jpg As a former community organizer, he's got a track record in difficult urban settings in which times are tough; even though Hayes' predecessor as the boss of New York, Rudy Giuliani, might diss it, this is valuable experience! And hey ... if you listen to certain talk-radio ranters, Obama really knows how to talk to domestic terrorists in really palsy-walsy terms! It might make it easier for Obama to get the New York State vote, but with 8 million votes in Manhattan negated (felons can't vote in New York State), those 31 electoral votes might get trimmed down some. _ 2. The Movie: Superman II. The President: E.G. Marshall. The Crisis: Phantom Zone escapees Ursa, Non and General Zod use their incredible superpowers to subdue the Planet Houston (OK ... Earth), raiding the White House and forcing a comically toupee'd president (whose rug makes Joe Biden's hair plugs look as natural as Fabio's mane) to kneel before Zod and swear fealty to the Kryptonian criminal. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain happening His Secure Borders policy would apply to Kryptonians, too (even though if he extended it to include Smallville, Kan., he might alienate Sen. Brownback and lose six electoral votes in the process). 'Sides, ... who wouldn't want to see a catfight between Ursa and Palin (under whose jurisdiction Superman's Fortress of Solitude would fall, assuming it's not on federal land)? _ 3. The Movie: Independence Day. The President: Bill Pullman. The Crisis: A bunch of really nasty and hostile aliens take a page from Clarke's Childhood's End and make it real as they park giant spacecraft over the world's cities and proceed to blow them up. A ragtag bunch of refugees must rise up and fight the invaders. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain happening At the climax, President Pullman clambers into a fighter jet and joins an assault on the aliens. Well, we know who's got the edge there, don't we, even though he might be a little rusty after 40 or so years? The crisis forces the Prez to nuke Houston, so that's 34 electoral votes from Texas vaporized into shiny, shiny fallout. _ 4. The Movie: Fail Safe. fonda The President: Henry Fonda. The Crisis: Six Vindicator bombers are screeching their way into Russia. Having
[scifinoir2] Seeker SPOILERS and Ursula K. Le Guin
Dude! Are you serious? Then the book going into the fire is totally not the only problem. What was the point of making the guy not know anything at all about his Destiny if in the books he spends his entire childhood learning about it... I mean it sounds like there was ABSOLUTELY no reason to do what they did unless America responds to brash young white fellow with no background or learnin', with a chiseled body and a can do attitude... (I'm killing myself with this one)... Now I am forced to quote Ursula K. Le Guin on the movie and tv adaptations of her novels: Am I going to sell another book to Hollywood? Probably not. Bit once, OK; bit twice, you're stupid. I think a couple of my books would make very good movies, but you've got to have somebody who really believes in you, really believes this book would make a good movie, not, 'I'm going to buy this book so we can use her name, and then I'll make the movie I want to make.' However, I got wonderful letters of condolence for months after the Sci Fi Channel's version of A Wizard of Earthsea. People were so sweet, so mad! I do have wonderful readers. They write the nicest damn letters. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 1:06 AM SPOILERS FOR THE BOOKS!!! ! In the Book (Wizards First Rule) Richard is made to read and memorize the book of shadows from a very young age. His father (Richard Cyper) made him memorize the book. Once Richard had the book memorized the book and could recite it back to his father word for word the book was destroyed. So unless they show Richard memorizing the book in a flashback I am not sure how they will reconcile the books destruction. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ yahoo.com wrote: Spoil the show, eh? Um... I don't mind... put SPOILER at the top and gimme the goods. :) Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonr eyescole. com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:26 PM I dont want to spoil the show, but I can say that they left out a huge chunk of information regarding Zedd, Richard, the book and George Cypher. So large that it affects the outcome of the end of the first book, and in some way each book that comes after it. The curiosity of how they are going to deal with this (flashback maybe) is the only reason I may keep watching. Jeff On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ yahoo.com wrote: So Jeff, In the text he *doesn't* toss the book into the fire? If not, sounds like a huge misstep! The guy does seem a bit, well, wee for the part. Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonr eyescole. com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Legend of the Seeker Series Debuts This Weekend To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:07 AM Well first of all the guy is too small and too chiseled. Richard is supposed to be this big farm boy type of guy. Big enough that he is the same size if not bigger than the D'harian troops (who are supposed to be huge). He also lacks the confidence and resolve that Richard has in the books. Richard is able to see the truth in things and accpet them, the actor playing Richard seemed a bit unsure of himself and his destiny. They also seem to have left themselves with a big whole to fill with the book of shadows so I am a bit curious as to how they will deal with that, but I'm not sure if I will be able to force myself to watch another 20 episodes. Jeff On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: What specifically about the actor playing Richard do yoiu not like? What would be your thought for a better type of actor? -- Original message -- From: Jeff Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I have to warn everyone that if you have read the series and you really like it, try to stay away from the show. It is loosely based on the books with many differences, and in my opionion Richard is cast completly wrong (totally not
Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies
I guess it depends on where you are, Reece. In my neck of the woods, early voting meant as much as a six-hour wait, and the addition of lengthy walks to get to the polling places, because many of the locations wouldn't allow voters to park on site. I waited until today, drove up to within a hundred yards of the entrance (drove only because my mother was with me and couldn't walk the one block up the hill from our house to the polling place)), and waited about the hour and a half before I voting. Wish I'd paid more attention, but My Cousin Rachel is a really good read... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:17:20 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Early voting must be nice! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:29:30 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Voted early last Friday here in the ATL... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anybody else at the polls yet? Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T From: Tracey de Morsella Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:50:37 -0800 To: ; 'Albert Fields'; ; CINQUE; 'Cleo'; ; ; ; 'Kai Pettaway'; ; ; 'Kera'; ; 'Michael Gordon'; ; ; 'Seku Brathwaite'; 'Valery Jean'; 'Wendell Theophilus Smith'; 'Whitney J Evans'; CC: ; 'Glenn Sigler'; ; ; 'paul demorsella'; 'Chris de Morsella'; Aradia \(Rae\) Corenti Subject: [scifinoir2] Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies Obama Vs. McCain In 10 Sci-Fi Movies http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0amp;id=61799 My fellow Americans, science fiction has anticipated our current national dilemma: forever wars, economic collapse, mutant zombies running in the streets. Since we're already facing a bunch of science fictional scenarios made real, which candidate would best handle the real tests facing the nation: Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain? Change You Can Believe in is great, so long as abominations from the hollow earth aren't trying to change your very DNA, and putting Country First might not be enough when the whole damned species is threatened by lizard-faced extra-dimensional organ harvesters. Take the following scenarios from SF movies: 1. The Movie: Escape From New York. The President: Donald Pleasence. The Crisis: With all of Manhattan turned into a maximum-security federal prison, a Patty Hearst-like teenybopper Tania take-off terrorist seizes Air Force One and crashes it into Midtown, where the Prez is taken hostage by a gang of convicts led by the voice of Chef himself, Isaac Hayes! Candidate best suited for the crisis: Obama As a former community organizer, he's got a track record in difficult urban settings in which times are tough; even though Hayes' predecessor as the boss of New York, Rudy Giuliani, might diss it, this is valuable experience! And hey ... if you listen to certain talk-radio ranters, Obama really knows how to talk to domestic terrorists in really palsy-walsy terms! It might make it easier for Obama to get the New York State vote, but with 8 million votes in Manhattan negated (felons can't vote in New York State), those 31 electoral votes might get trimmed down some. 2. The Movie: Superman II. The President: E.G. Marshall. The Crisis: Phantom Zone escapees Ursa, Non and General Zod use their incredible superpowers to subdue the Planet Houston (OK ... Earth), raiding the White House and forcing a comically toupee'd president (whose rug makes Joe Biden's hair plugs look as natural as Fabio's mane) to kneel before Zod and swear fealty to the Kryptonian criminal. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain His Secure Borders policy would apply to Kryptonians, too (even though if he extended it to include Smallville, Kan., he might alienate Sen. Brownback and lose six electoral votes in the process). 'Sides, ... who wouldn't want to see a catfight between Ursa and Palin (under whose jurisdiction Superman's Fortress of Solitude would fall, assuming it's not on federal land)? 3. The Movie: Independence Day. The President: Bill Pullman. The Crisis: A bunch of really nasty and hostile aliens take a page from Clarke's Childhood's End and make it real as they park giant spacecraft over the world's cities and proceed to blow them up. A ragtag bunch of refugees must rise up and fight the invaders. Candidate best suited for the crisis: McCain At the climax, President Pullman clambers into a fighter jet and joins an assault on the aliens. Well, we know who's got the edge there, don't we, even though he might be a little rusty after 40 or so years? The crisis forces the Prez to nuke Houston, so that's 34 electoral votes from Texas vaporized into shiny, shiny fallout. 4. The Movie: Fail Safe. The President: Henry Fonda. The Crisis: Six
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership
(and we'll stop him when he's proven wrong) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:14:30 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com The ratings numbers have been the hot topic of debate for the past 4 or 5 years. Show me 9 million people who watch Ghost Whisperer and I'll show you 7 million people who were on the phone and left their TVs on whatever. To be honest, I don't even believe 34 million people watched Obama's special. (here he goes again) Now, show me how many people DOWNLOAD, STREAM, or RECORD episodes of Ghost Whisperer, and you'll have a pretty good estimate of audience size. This is why TV's dying. When I worked in the music industry, we used a standard of measurement called SoundScan. The way it worked was simple. When someone bought an album, it was scanned. All of those scan reports were tallied up, and boom, we knew who #1 was. Right? Wrong. Because if I send you 500 copies of Whosaywhat and the Sound of a Tree Falling for free, and ask you to scan it every time someone buys Mariah Carey, guess who #1 is gonna be that week? And that was MUSIC. Am I saying there is Neilsen fraud going on? Well, yes, but that's not even the main point. TV ratings are remarkably flawed, and the evidence of this is the quality of the shows that are coming back. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: One question. Are they watching the same shows I am, on the same kind of television? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:42:33 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella To : We Rate Returning SF TV Series http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20081103.html Yikes! And you think the economy is bad. Imagine being a network executive these days. Much like the vanishing honeybees, television viewers seems to have evaporated, and shows across the spectrum are struggling. In fact, the networks are bleeding as they thrash about trying to figure out how to bring viewers back to their favorite shows. In this second of two stories, we take a look at how returning SFamp;F series are doing this fall, grading them from best to worst. Ghost Hunters (SCI FI) Premiered with 2.7 million viewers. Last week, 3.2 million viewers. The future's so bright, these ghost hunters will have to wear shades. Last week our favorite ghost-hunting plumbers reached a series high, which is great news leading into their big live Halloween investigation special . And beyond spawning a successful sequel in Ghost Hunters International, SCI FI just announced it has ordered a pilot for Ghost Hunters: College Edition, in which seasoned investigators lead a group of college students in the hunt for ghosts. Can you say franchise? Or, heck, let's just have the Ghost Hunting Channel. Grade: A This story continues below the image. ghost The Ghost Hunters: Jason Hawes (left) and Grant Wilson. (Chris Kontoes for SCI FI ) Ghost Whisperer (CBS) Premiered with 9.31 million viewers. Last week, 9.95 million viewers. While the series hasn't been able to crack 10 million viewers this year, it's come close enough that it is the highest-rated series on Friday nights. And this is one of the few shows that has actually increased viewers since last year on the networks. Grade: B+ Supernatural (The CW) Premiered with 3.96 million viewers. Last week, 3.25 million viewers. Supernatural has also done well this season, increasing in total viewers from last season. This male-oriented show also has seen a dramatic increase among women 18-49, which is very good. And the show did it all in the toughest timeslot on television. Grade: B Smallville (The CW) Premiered with 4.38 million viewers. Last week, 4.22 million viewers. Down a bit from last season, Smallville is still looking like a champ, compared with The CW's other low-rated programming. It may not be as shiny as it once was, but what show would be as it delves into its eighth season? Ratings should be good enough for another year--if The CW doesn't collapse completely. It's unlikely the network will find another show that can be competitive on Thursday nights with viewers as loyal as those for Smallville. Grade: B- This story continues below the image. smallville Tom Welling as Clark Kent in Smallville. (Michael Courtney for The CW) Heroes (NBC) Premiered with 9.89 million viewers. Last week, 8.46 million viewers. How the mighty have fallen. While Heroes premiered last year with 16.97 million viewers, the series has taken a significant hit. One bright spot is that the show does very well in DVR viewings later in the week. The bad news is that most of those people don't watch commercials. It's
[scifinoir2] Election Coverage on TV One
I am watching election coverage on TV One and it is a sincere sensation having the election brought to me by black anchors, black commentators and black pundits including Tom Joyner. ~rave!
[scifinoir2] FOX News is already doing post mortem on McCain Campaign
FOX News calls Ohio for Obama and somewhere Don Meredith is crooning The Party is Over... ~rave!
RE: [scifinoir2] Election Coverage on TV One
How is Tom Joyner covering it. I know Obama is not one of his favorite people -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:49 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Election Coverage on TV One I am watching election coverage on TV One and it is a sincere sensation having the election brought to me by black anchors, black commentators and black pundits including Tom Joyner. ~rave! Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [scifinoir2] FOX News is already doing post mortem on McCain Campaign
Too cool. Is it a wake? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] FOX News is already doing post mortem on McCain Campaign FOX News calls Ohio for Obama and somewhere Don Meredith is crooning The Party is Over... ~rave! Yahoo! Groups Links
[scifinoir2] Obama Victory
With the states already projected, Obama will win the election with 277 electoral votes if, as expected, he wins California, Oregon and Washington and McCain wins everything left. ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: Election Coverage on TV One
Au contraire, as a regular listener to the Tom Joyner Show, I can attest that Joyner is an avid Obama supporter. He even bounced Tavis Smiley from his weekly segment on the Joyner Morning Show because Smiley was consistently hating on Senator Obama. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is Tom Joyner covering it. I know Obama is not one of his favorite people -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:49 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Election Coverage on TV One I am watching election coverage on TV One and it is a sincere sensation having the election brought to me by black anchors, black commentators and black pundits including Tom Joyner. ~rave! Yahoo! Groups Links
[scifinoir2] Re: FOX News is already doing post mortem on McCain Campaign
Oh...definitely a wake. Folks bringing potato salad and everything! ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too cool. Is it a wake? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] FOX News is already doing post mortem on McCain Campaign FOX News calls Ohio for Obama and somewhere Don Meredith is crooning The Party is Over... ~rave! Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Exit Poll Disclaimer
The telling thing about the exit polls in the past is they were not wrong. B --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Exit Poll Disclaimer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Albert Fields' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cleo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kai Pettaway' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kera' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Michael Gordon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Seku Brathwaite' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Valery Jean' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Whitney J Evans' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Chris de Morsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'grassroots4obama' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'GTW' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Lockhart, Daryle' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Martin Baxter' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'ObamaBrigade' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phyllis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'ravenadal' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 8:24 AM We’ve had eight years of exit polls telling us one thing and the results telling us something else. So take my posting with a grain of salt. I’m off.
RE: [scifinoir2] Exit Poll Disclaimer
We are on the same page. We all know they were right From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:07 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Exit Poll Disclaimer The telling thing about the exit polls in the past is they were not wrong. B --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Exit Poll Disclaimer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Albert Fields' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cleo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kai Pettaway' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kera' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Michael Gordon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Seku Brathwaite' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Valery Jean' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Whitney J Evans' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Chris de Morsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'grassroots4obama' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'GTW' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Lockhart, Daryle' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Martin Baxter' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'ObamaBrigade' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phyllis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'ravenadal' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 8:24 AM We?ve had eight years of exit polls telling us one thing and the results telling us something else. So take my posting with a grain of salt. I?m off.
[scifinoir2] RE: Exit Polls Show Obama won Virginia
Have they counted Northern VA yet? My people are from VA. I really want VA to go Blue -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:59 PM To: Tracey de Morsella Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Albert Fields; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE; Cleo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kai Pettaway; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Gordon; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Seku Brathwaite; Valery Jean; Wendell Theophilus Smith; Whitney J Evans; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chris de Morsella; Glenn Sigler; grassroots4obama; GTW; Lockhart, Daryle; Lord Sauron; Martin Baxter; ObamaBrigade; Phyllis Johnson; ravenadal Subject: Re: Exit Polls Show Obama won Virginia Yall...Obama is down 1000 votes with 78% reporting. I am about to lose my mind.we have two Dem senators now.If this state turns blue, tomorrow will be a wonderfully white wednesday!!! On 11/5/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Exit Polls show Obama Won VA He Won Women by 56% and men by 53% http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#mapPVAc -- the wiser the soul, the greater the simplicity-anonymous
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: FOX News is already doing post mortem on McCain Campaign
I just checked in. You are right. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: FOX News is already doing post mortem on McCain Campaign Oh...definitely a wake. Folks bringing potato salad and everything! ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too cool. Is it a wake? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] FOX News is already doing post mortem on McCain Campaign FOX News calls Ohio for Obama and somewhere Don Meredith is crooning The Party is Over... ~rave! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Victory
I now believe that Sci-Fi channel can be a viable network. anything is possible. On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM, ravenadal wrote: With the states already projected, Obama will win the election with 277 electoral votes if, as expected, he wins California, Oregon and Washington and McCain wins everything left. ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Victory
Ha-ha-ha! That's one of the quotes of the night! -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] I now believe that Sci-Fi channel can be a viable network. anything is possible. On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM, ravenadal wrote: With the states already projected, Obama will win the election with 277 electoral votes if, as expected, he wins California, Oregon and Washington and McCain wins everything left. ~rave!
[scifinoir2] CBS calls it for Obama!
At 10 PM Central time, CBS News projected Barack Obama as President Elect of the United States. ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] RE: Exit Polls Show Obama won Virginia
I am truly overwhelmed. We got a Black President. Much thanks to W for being so horrible that America is willing to give a brother a chance. Gerald Haynes Time, Money, and Quality, you may have only two. Never enough time to do it right. Always enough time to do it over. Continual improvement is always better than delayed perfection. From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Albert Fields [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cleo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kai Pettaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Seku Brathwaite [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Valery Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wendell Theophilus Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Whitney J Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chris de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Glenn Sigler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; grassroots4obama [EMAIL PROTECTED]; GTW [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lockhart, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ObamaBrigade [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Phyllis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:28:44 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] RE: Exit Polls Show Obama won Virginia Have they counted Northern VA yet? My people are from VA. I really want VA to go Blue -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:59 PM To: Tracey de Morsella Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com; afrikanmind@ hotmail.com; Albert Fields; [EMAIL PROTECTED] com; CINQUE; Cleo; dorothyhamm@ sbcglobal. net; [EMAIL PROTECTED] com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] net; Kai Pettaway; [EMAIL PROTECTED] com; keithbjohnson@ comcast.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED] com; Michael Gordon; michael.v.w. [EMAIL PROTECTED] com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] com; Seku Brathwaite; Valery Jean; Wendell Theophilus Smith; Whitney J Evans; williamsfred@ speakeasy. net; Chris de Morsella; Glenn Sigler; grassroots4obama; GTW; Lockhart, Daryle; Lord Sauron; Martin Baxter; ObamaBrigade; Phyllis Johnson; ravenadal Subject: Re: Exit Polls Show Obama won Virginia Yall...Obama is down 1000 votes with 78% reporting. I am about to lose my mind.we have two Dem senators now.If this state turns blue, tomorrow will be a wonderfully white wednesday!!! On 11/5/08, Tracey de Morsella tdemorsella@ multiculturaladv antage.com wrote: The Exit Polls show Obama Won VA He Won Women by 56% and men by 53% http://www.cnn. com/ELECTION/ 2008/results/ individual/ #mapPVAc -- the wiser the soul, the greater the simplicity- anonymous
[scifinoir2] RE: Exit Polls Show Obama won Virginia
I'm so proud of everybody. I came back from Mexico lamenting the fact that people would not fight and we did. EVERYBODY---together. Now I hope we use this energy to keep fighting YEAA! Yea VA! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:39 PM To: Tracey de Morsella Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Albert Fields; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE; Cleo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kai Pettaway; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Gordon; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Seku Brathwaite; Valery Jean; Wendell Theophilus Smith; Whitney J Evans; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chris de Morsella; Glenn Sigler; grassroots4obama; GTW; Lockhart, Daryle; Lord Sauron; Martin Baxter; ObamaBrigade; Phyllis Johnson; ravenadal Subject: Re: Exit Polls Show Obama won Virginia Nova has reportedObama up 48000 votes with 90% of precints reportingTracey if you could have seen the young new voters coming through the precinct today! Virginia is clearly tired of the good old boys! On 11/5/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have they counted Northern VA yet? My people are from VA. I really want VA to go Blue -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:59 PM To: Tracey de Morsella Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Albert Fields; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE; Cleo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kai Pettaway; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Gordon; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Seku Brathwaite; Valery Jean; Wendell Theophilus Smith; Whitney J Evans; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chris de Morsella; Glenn Sigler; grassroots4obama; GTW; Lockhart, Daryle; Lord Sauron; Martin Baxter; ObamaBrigade; Phyllis Johnson; ravenadal Subject: Re: Exit Polls Show Obama won Virginia Yall...Obama is down 1000 votes with 78% reporting. I am about to lose my mind.we have two Dem senators now.If this state turns blue, tomorrow will be a wonderfully white wednesday!!! On 11/5/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Exit Polls show Obama Won VA He Won Women by 56% and men by 53% http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#mapPVAc -- the wiser the soul, the greater the simplicity-anonymous -- the wiser the soul, the greater the simplicity-anonymous
[scifinoir2] A night to remember!!!!!!
For the first time in my adult life I am REALLY proud of my country. Thank you to America's new FIRST FAMILY Meta
[scifinoir2] A night to remember!!!!!!
For the first time in my adult life I am REALLY proud of my country. Thank you to America's new FIRST FAMILY Meta
[scifinoir2] Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father
Did anyone see Jesse Jackson crying right before the speech. He looked like a proud father. It was a long way from I want to crush his ball I loved it
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
The point is we don't. Still what's done is done. And now I'm hoping this means that we will be seeing a bigger role for Rhodey in IM3. Especially since he's playing a bigger role in the current comic (and has played a big role in the comic's past). -GTw In a message dated 11/4/08 10:35:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
[scifinoir2] Failure to Blow Election Stuns Democrats - SATIRE
Party Faithful Mourn End to Losing Tradition http://www.borowitzreport.com/ http://www.borowitzreport.com/Uploads/a863bf56-c3a9-46ac-9189-c47fb67c4480.j pg Just minutes after their party's longstanding losing tradition lay in tatters on the ground, millions of shell-shocked Democrats stared at their television screens in disbelief, asking themselves what went right. For Democrats, who have become accustomed to their party blowing an election even when it seemed like a sure thing, Tuesday night's results were a bitter pill to swallow. The head-shaking and finger-pointing over the demise of the Democrats' losing streak, which many of the party faithful had worn like a badge of honor, reached all the way to the upper echelons of the Democratic National Committee. Believe me, I'm as shocked by these results as anybody, said DNC chief Howard Dean, who indicated he has received hundreds of calls from incredulous party members. We did everything in our power to screw this thing up. Dean pointed to several key elements the Democrats put in place to ensure defeat, ranging from a rancorous primary campaign to the appointment of me. Somehow, despite our best efforts to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, we won, he said. I came in here with a mandate to blow this thing and I didn't get it done. Carol Foyler, a lifelong Democrat who owns a loom supply store in Portland, Maine, said she has been nearly catatonic since the election results were announced. For the past eight years, I've fixed myself some herbal tea, turned on NPR, and ranted about the Republicans, she said. All that has been taken from me. Elsewhere, Sen. John McCain offered this comment on Sen. Barack Obama's victory: My friends, I've got him just where I want him.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
IMO Cheadle was the one that almost saved Mission to Mars as he and the Sinses were the only characters I cared about in the film. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 6:17:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Means that I have to break my promise to myself and catch Traitor when it's out on DVD. Since I did like the previews, I'll bite the bullet. I already see your meaning re: :Mission To Mars. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
[scifinoir2] Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father
I saw that. I had to say at that moment, for all that Jesse has pissed me off recently, I did feel for him. Like him or not, get tired of him at times, can't deny that he's worked for Black people, that he's done a lot of good. And for that Jesse who's fought for us, who's bled for us, who's been a friend to us, i was happy. On MSNBC, John Lewis was all puffy and red eyed, as if he'd been bawling like a baby too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone see Jesse Jackson crying right before the speech. He looked like a proud father. It was a long way from I want to crush his ball I loved it
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father
Count me among the puffy red eyed people. When the camera panned to Jesse Jackson I had just stopped and I got all stirred up again. I was watching with my son who finds my emotional attachment to this election pretty funny. I just couldn't hold it back. I started when MSNBC called Ohio for Sen. Obama and kept on, off and on, through the end of his speech. B --- On Tue, 11/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father To: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED], scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Albert Fields' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cleo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kai Pettaway' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kera' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Michael Gordon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Seku Brathwaite' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Valery Jean' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Whitney J Evans' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 11:39 PM I saw that. I had to say at that moment, for all that Jesse has pissed me off recently, I did feel for him. Like him or not, get tired of him at times, can't deny that he's worked for Black people, that he's done a lot of good. And for that Jesse who's fought for us, who's bled for us, who's been a friend to us, i was happy. On MSNBC, John Lewis was all puffy and red eyed, as if he'd been bawling like a baby too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdemorsella@ multiculturaladv antage.com Did anyone see Jesse Jackson crying right before the speech. He looked like a proud father. It was a long way from “I want to crush his ball” I loved it
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father
Jesse just pisses me off...period! -See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and George Clinton? He is Johnny Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 11/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father To: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED], scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Albert Fields' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cleo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kai Pettaway' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kera' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Michael Gordon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Seku Brathwaite' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Valery Jean' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Whitney J Evans' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 11:39 PM I saw that. I had to say at that moment, for all that Jesse has pissed me off recently, I did feel for him. Like him or not, get tired of him at times, can't deny that he's worked for Black people, that he's done a lot of good. And for that Jesse who's fought for us, who's bled for us, who's been a friend to us, i was happy. On MSNBC, John Lewis was all puffy and red eyed, as if he'd been bawling like a baby too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdemorsella@ multiculturaladv antage.com Did anyone see Jesse Jackson crying right before the speech. He looked like a proud father. It was a long way from “I want to crush his ball” I loved it
[scifinoir2] RE: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father
Same here. I could see that all his hard work bore fruit. Whatever his problems with Obama and his nuts, I saw pure pride in his eyes. It was one of my favorite moments. Speaking of people who have pissed me off, what is Tavis saying? From: Keith Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:40 PM To: Tracey de Morsella; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Glenn Sigler'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Albert Fields'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE ; 'Cleo'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kai Pettaway'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kera'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Gordon'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Seku Brathwaite'; 'Valery Jean'; 'Wendell Theophilus Smith'; 'Whitney J Evans'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father I saw that. I had to say at that moment, for all that Jesse has pissed me off recently, I did feel for him. Like him or not, get tired of him at times, can't deny that he's worked for Black people, that he's done a lot of good. And for that Jesse who's fought for us, who's bled for us, who's been a friend to us, i was happy. On MSNBC, John Lewis was all puffy and red eyed, as if he'd been bawling like a baby too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone see Jesse Jackson crying right before the speech. He looked like a proud father. It was a long way from I want to crush his ball I loved it
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
I totally agree with you.I look forward to him in this part. I enjoy pretty much all of his work..Even in movies I did not like. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:35 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired IMO Cheadle was the one that almost saved Mission to Mars as he and the Sinses were the only characters I cared about in the film. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 6:17:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Means that I have to break my promise to myself and catch Traitor when it's out on DVD. Since I did like the previews, I'll bite the bullet. I already see your meaning re: :Mission To Mars. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=htt p://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
RE: [scifinoir2] A night to remember!!!!!!
Same here! -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meta Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:37 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] A night to remember!! For the first time in my adult life I am REALLY proud of my country. Thank you to America's new FIRST FAMILY Meta Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father
Same here. I could see that all his hard work bore fruit. Whatever his problems with Obama and his nuts, I saw pure pride in his eyes. It was one of my favorite moments. Lewis did look like he was crying, but I have always sensed pride and a sense of understanding the historical significance for him Speaking of people who have pissed me off, what is Tavis saying? --- On Tue, 11/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father To: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED], scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Albert Fields' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cleo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kai Pettaway' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kera' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Michael Gordon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Seku Brathwaite' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Valery Jean' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Whitney J Evans' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 11:39 PM I saw that. I had to say at that moment, for all that Jesse has pissed me off recently, I did feel for him. Like him or not, get tired of him at times, can't deny that he's worked for Black people, that he's done a lot of good. And for that Jesse who's fought for us, who's bled for us, who's been a friend to us, i was happy. On MSNBC, John Lewis was all puffy and red eyed, as if he'd been bawling like a baby too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdemorsella@ multiculturaladv antage.com Did anyone see Jesse Jackson crying right before the speech. He looked like a proud father. It was a long way from I want to crush his ball I loved it
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father
Same here. Is your son young enough so that some of the more poignant aspects of color and the journey we've taken escape him? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Count me among the puffy red eyed people. When the camera panned to Jesse Jackson I had just stopped and I got all stirred up again. I was watching with my son who finds my emotional attachment to this election pretty funny. I just couldn't hold it back. I started when MSNBC called Ohio for Sen. Obama and kept on, off and on, through the end of his speech. B --- On Tue, 11/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father To: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED], scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Albert Fields' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], CINQUE [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cleo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kai Pettaway' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kera' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Michael Gordon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Seku Brathwaite' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Valery Jean' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Whitney J Evans' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 11:39 PM I saw that. I had to say at that moment, for all that Jesse has pissed me off recently, I did feel for him. Like him or not, get tired of him at times, can't deny that he's worked for Black people, that he's done a lot of good. And for that Jesse who's fought for us, who's bled for us, who's been a friend to us, i was happy. On MSNBC, John Lewis was all puffy and red eyed, as if he'd been bawling like a baby too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdemorsella@ multiculturaladv antage.com Did anyone see Jesse Jackson crying right before the speech. He looked like a proud father. It was a long way from I want to crush his ball I loved it
[scifinoir2] RE: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father
Tavis Smiley was working with Brian Williams on NBC. I completely forgot he was over there, as I was bouncing between CNN and TVOne. a friend said Tavis was eating crow, but i know he still doesn't really support Obama because the latter's not Dr. King. Look: i was probably the biggest Smiley supporter around, even taking heat in these e-mail posts for defending him when he first said don't be blinded by Obama's light. But even i had to admit his reticence and criticism are misguided. I'm still disappointed that Smiley--one of the hardest working, most politically involved people of the age--sat this one out. Didn't work with Tom Joyner as he did in years past, didn't do a lot of get-out-the-vote drives in black communities, didn't support Obama. Very sad, very naive of him. I used to fantasize back in the day that President Obama would appoint Smiley his press secretary, but there's little chance of that now.. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Same here. I could see that all his hard work bore fruit. Whatever his problems with Obama and his nuts, I saw pure pride in his eyes. It was one of my favorite moments. Speaking of people who have pissed me off, what is Tavis saying? From: Keith Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:40 PM To: Tracey de Morsella; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Glenn Sigler'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Albert Fields'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CINQUE ; 'Cleo'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kai Pettaway'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kera'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Gordon'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Seku Brathwaite'; 'Valery Jean'; 'Wendell Theophilus Smith'; 'Whitney J Evans'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jesse Jackson was Bawlin Like a Baby - Looked like a proud father I saw that. I had to say at that moment, for all that Jesse has pissed me off recently, I did feel for him. Like him or not, get tired of him at times, can't deny that he's worked for Black people, that he's done a lot of good. And for that Jesse who's fought for us, who's bled for us, who's been a friend to us, i was happy. On MSNBC, John Lewis was all puffy and red eyed, as if he'd been bawling like a baby too. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone see Jesse Jackson crying right before the speech. He looked like a proud father. It was a long way from I want to crush his ball I loved it
Re: [scifinoir2] A night to remember!!!!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Me too! Amy Same here! -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meta Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:37 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] A night to remember!! For the first time in my adult life I am REALLY proud of my country. Thank you to America's new FIRST FAMILY Meta Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date: 11/4/2008 8:26 AM
[scifinoir2] Mixed Results on States' Ballot Initiatives
Any interesting things on the agenda, other than Obama's great win. Personally I find it disturbing that some states still want to ban gay marriage in their constitutions. Whatever one thinks of the whole issue, a constitution in my opinion should be used to expand and guarantee people's rights, not limit and restrict them. It's so hard to give rights back once they're taken, and what a dangerous first step to limit any group's rights--one that could in time be used to keep other undesirable groups or behaviour down. The Nebraska and Colorado initiatives that seek to ban discrimation based on color sound good, until you realize they also seek to ban preferential treatment based on race or ethnicity. That could bode ill, depending on exactly how those concepts are defined. And South Carolina is seeking to change the age of sexual consent to 16--up from 14? WTF??? *** http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/state.laws/index.html?iref=mpstoryview Proposition Eight, which would eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry in California, was losing -- 53 percent to 47 percent, according to the polling. If it were to pass, it would undo a state Supreme Court ruling in May legalizing same-sex unions. The projections in California differed from Arizona, where voters approved a measure to amend the state constitution so that only a union between one man and one woman would be recognized as a marriage, CNN projected. The measure passed by 56 percent in a reversal of direction from 2006, when a similar measure on the ballot failed. Arizona, California and Florida were the only states to weigh constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions, down from 11 states in the 2004 election. Results are still pending in Florida. The projected results were just some of the hot-button issues in an election where ballot measures were dominated by social issues from abortion and affirmative action to suicide and drug policy. As of 1:30 a.m. ET, CNN had projected results on most major initiatives, based on actual results and exit poll data from key areas. Don't Miss Ballot measures In Depth: Election Center 2008 Election features Fifty-seven percent of voters in Arkansas supported a measure to prohibit unmarried sexual partners from adopting children or from serving as foster parents. The measure specifies that the prohibition applies to both opposite-sex as well as same-sex couples. Voters in Colorado rejected a measure defining a person to include any human being from the moment of fertilization, which would have applied to sections of the Colorado Constitution that protect natural and essential rights of persons. Nebraska voters approved a measure to prohibit state governments from discriminating against or granting preferential treatment to people based on race, ethnicity, color, sex or national origin. Results on a similar measure in Colorado have not been announced. Michigan chose to become the 13th state to legalize marijuana for medical purposes by a 64 percent margin. Massachusetts also had a proposed initiative to decriminalize penalties for possession of less than an ounce of marijuana. Voters in Michigan also chose to amend the state constitution to permit human embryonic stem cell research with certain restrictions. The embryos, which must have been created for fertility treatment purposes, would have to have been discarded otherwise, and they may not be used more than 14 days after cell division has begun. South Dakota rejected a proposal to prohibit abortions except in cases of rape or incest or where the mother's life or health is at risk. A similar measure that did not include exceptions for rape or the health of the mother was on the ballot in 2006, but voters rejected it 44 to 56 percent Results are still pending for California's Proposition 4, which requires physicians to provide parental notification to guardians of minors at least 48 hours before performing an abortion.iReport.com: Watch Prop 8 debate in Utah In Washington, 58 percent of voters supported a citizen initiative to allow adults with six months or less to live to request lethal medication prescribed by a physician. A physician is not required to comply, but anyone participating in good faith with the request would not risk criminal prosecution. Many states also weighed budget-related proposals that could significantly affect how state revenues are generated. In Massachusetts, voters have rejected a measure to cut the state personal income tax rate in half for 2009 and eliminate the state personal income tax starting in 2010. A similar ballot measure failed in 2002. A citizen-initiated measure in North Dakota also proposed cutting personal income tax rates by half. Voters in Colorado and Minnesota were asked to consider increasing sales taxes. Oregon's Measure 59 would allow taxpayers to deduct the full amount of their federal income taxes on their
[scifinoir2] What's up With Alaska?
It's almost 3 am EST, and the last elections are fascinating: Chambliss/Martin here in Georgia, which might result in a runoffcomedian Al Franken in a razor thin race to take the Senate seat...and convicted criminal Ted Stevens in a tight race??? WTF? How the heck is this man even in the race, let alone doing so well? So, the Republicans questioned Obama's fitness to be President, his character, his decisions, his associations, called ACORN the greatest threat to democracy in history--and their minions in Alaska are giving major votes to this joker? Only in America...
