I am looking at the 1989 Handbook and it does state in 5-2.3.1 Volume
Limitations. ...Gridded dry-pipe systems shall not be installed.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
701.280.8580 direct
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Todd,
NFPA 13, 2010 ed. 3.9.2.8, Solid Unit Load of a Nonexpanded Plastic (Either
Cartoned or Exposed). A load that does not have voids (air) within the load
and that burns only on the exterior of the load; water from sprinkler might
reach most surfaces available to burn.
My guess is that an
Here are the International Code adoptions by State...
http://www.iccsafe.org/gr/pages/adoptions.aspx
http://www.iccsafe.org/gr/documents/stateadoptions.pdf
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
701.280.8580 direct
www.ulteig.com
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Brian,
I use the hp33s and I have all of the needed formulas on it and just have to
punch in the missing variables. Maybe has more function than needed, but I
like it.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
701.280.8580 direct
www.ulteig.com
Of Reed Roisum
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 7:49 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: NICET Calculator for Advanced Hydraulics
Brian,
I use the hp33s and I have all of the needed formulas on it and just have to
punch in the missing variables. Maybe has more function than needed
You are right Ken. 119 souls.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
www.ulteig.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Parsley
Consulting
Sent:
All I could find was 6.1.2.2 and 6.2.1 in 07 ed. Nothing about what you are
referring to.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
www.ulteig.com
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Check out NFPA 13, 2007 ed. A.8.17.4.6.1 also.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
701.280.8580 direct
701.212.8810 cell
www.ulteig.com
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Jay,
Check the archives as this topic has been talked about fairly often and
recently. NFPA 13, 2007 ed. 10.10.2.5.
We always spec a backflow test outlet (male threads) sized to be able to flow
system demand. Contact me if you want more detail.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
Even I know that IRAS are Individual Retirement Accounts. Didn't know you were
required to have them though. And the way mine has been tanking lately maybe
I'll try that ESFR thing.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
701.280.8580 direct
WOW! That's amazing Brad!
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
701.280.8580 direct
701.212.8810 cell
www.ulteig.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf
Brian,
According to the International Plumbing Code the RPZ is required but can just
isolate the portion of the system that has anti-freeze...i.e. doesn't need to
be at the supply. 2006 IPC 608.16.4.1
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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http://www.worldelectronics.com/
This company claims to be the only one out there that has wireless systems for
device monitoring?? I am sending for more information but prolly worth
checking out.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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I bet Cahill has already begun his experiment...although I'm sure he is
disappointed that he doesn't get to set fire to anything on this one.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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Maybe AFSA should adopt the policy of AFAA (Automatic Fire Alarm Association)
and require that you sign each post with whether or not you are a member or a
guest. That way we could mark those that aren't members and send them
nasty-grams a couple of times a year letting them know how dumb they
4-way bracing is required on all risers over 3 ft in length. A riser is
defined as a vertical supply pipe. I assume you are wondering if a sprig needs
to be 4-way braced if it is over 3 ft. in length? A sprig is a vertical supply
pipes but it is also defined separately so I would say no you
What if you don't have a fire pump and the system demand is more than what can
be flowed out of the main drain (BTW, how do you measure the flow out of the
main drain?)
We typically spec a 2 1/2 single outlet (size and # of outlets dependent on
the system demand), flush-type test connection
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:03 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: fire pump room - external door?
Sorry I am so late to post. Note that the following is a should not a
shall
Sorry I am so late to post. Note that the following is a should not a shall...
NFPA 20, 07 ed. A.5.12 ...Access to the pump room should be provided from
outside the building...
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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Ken,
Looks like a typo to me. I would guess the reference 903.2.7 was left over
from IBC 2006 where it was Group R. Group R is now 903.2.8 and I'm guessing
that is what 310.1 should be referencing.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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From:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov
Check out Ken Wagoner's AFSA webinar presentation from 10-30-08 (if it is
available somewhere??). He walks through how to determine these numbers.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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Todd,
Not sure what you mean when you say 'when you use the small room rule', but any
unprotected opening in a room produces a communicating space. I assume you are
trying to determine whether to calculate the head in the closet when using the
room design method??
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig
I believe you would include the sprinkler in the closet based on 11.2.3.3 (07
ed.)...
...calculations shall include the sprinklers in the room plus two sprinklers in
the communicating space nearest each such unprotected opening unless the
communicating space has ONLY ONE sprinkler, in which
IBC (ref. below 2006 ed.) allows 13R in Group I-1 if 4 stories or less. Note
exception...
[F] 903.2.5 Group I. An automatic sprinkler system shall be provided throughout
buildings with a Group I fire area.
Exception: An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with
Section
I think the purpose of the wrap is so the bales can be stored in the field but
I'm sure some could wrap and store in a shelter too. Typically the wraps are
plastic including a plastic net type wrap (mesh).
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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From:
And if baled too wet that mold can produce heat and eventually combustion. I
don't know if this influences the protection scheme or not, but you could
theoretically have a fire begin at the bottom of the stack (if it can get
enough oxygen) and be quite large before producing enough heat to
I think he was making a funny. :)
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:26 PM
To:
So there is a use for differential equations. WOW. Guess I need to pay up.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Ulteig Engineer, Inc.
Engineering Technician
Direct: (701)280-8580
Cell: (701)212-8810
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straight through,
awesome. I've always routed the pipe out and around a stairway. Thanks for
the info.
Brian Harris
FDFP INC.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum
Sent: Tuesday, May 18
Chris,
The commentary in A.6.2.5 ('07 ed.) says that sprinklers with the same temp.
rating SHOULD be used in a given AREA, unless otherwise specified by 8.3.2.
The word 'compartment' is used earlier in this 'blue' print but I would venture
to say that the 18 beam does not separate this space
I'm sure someone that is from an area where the ground actually shakes every
once in awhile can correct me on this, but I believe the site class is a
designation given to an area based on the soil (e.g. hard rock, dense soil
etc.). This factor along with others is used to determine the Seismic
Table 9 in my FM Global Hydraulics Tables has Age Factors for public and fire
pro mains and Table 6 has coefficients for underground piping based on age of
pipe and water corrosiveness. Probably not what you are looking for though??
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Engineering Technician
Direct:
HFSC has usually got good stuff like that for residential...found one quick
blurb...
http://www.homefiresprinkler.org/newsletter/summer03/art10p2.html
http://www.homefiresprinkler.org/FS/FSWaterUsage.html
+ Sprinkler systems discharged an average of 341 gallons of water per fire.
+2,935 gallons
If it is military the concentrate lines are often (maybe always) required to be
stainless steel. At least ETL 02-15 and 01-1-1 have that requirement.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Engineering Technician
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I don't have much information on this yet but here goes anyway...
An owner of a manufacturing facility (I don't know what type of manufacturing)
has in his head that he wants to use steam from his boiler for fire suppression
(also don't know what he wants to protect). I am basically looking
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:19 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Steam for Fire Suppression
I don't have much information on this yet but here goes anyway...
An owner
The source is to be available at all times. This isn't necessarily talking
about being movable or not. If it is able to be unplugged then it would not be
available at that time that someone unplugs it. It wouldn't hurt to have some
additional verbiage to clarify the intent here. I actually
Ed,
2006 IPC 608.16.4.1 Additives or nonpotable source.
Where systems under continuous pressure contain chemical additives or
antifreeze, or where systems are connected to a nonpotable secondary water
supply, the potable water supply shall be protected against backflow by a
reduced pressure
If you are looking in NFPA 13 I don't think you will find it. Here is the
reference in NFPA 14, 2007 edition:
6.4.5.4*Fire department connections shall be located not more than 100 ft
(30.5 m) from the nearest fire hydrant connected to an approved water supply.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire
Jimmy,
You said code reference and I'm not sure about that, but 8.15.1.2 '07 ed. has
concealed spaces that do not require sprinkler protection. Spaces shall be
considered concealed even with small openings such as those used for as return
air for a plenum.
Not sure if this is what you were
Are you going to sprinkler this new library? We wouldn't all of these
priceless treasures getting wet!!
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
701.280.8580 direct
701.212.8810 cell
www.ulteig.com
Energy | Water | Built-Environment
8.16.2.5.3.1, 2007 ed. says that Aux. drains located in areas subject to
freezing shall be readily accessible. I would take that to say no.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
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701.212.8810 cell
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A.5.14.5 of NFPA 20 2007 ed. says that if the supply is from public water mains
then the gate valve SHOULD be located as far as is practical from the suction
flange. I'm not sure why because the commentary goes on to say that the gate
valve does not interfere with the flow when it is fully
You are allowed to go to NFPA 13R for I-1 occupancies.
IBC 2006
903.2.5 Group I. An automatic sprinkler system shall be provided throughout
buildings with a Group I fire area.
Exception: An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with Section
903.3.1.2 or 903.3.1.3 shall be allowed
Sounds to me like OH2. I don't think the square footage of the room drives the
classification??
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue S.
Fargo, ND 58104
701.280.8580 direct
701.212.8810 cell
www.ulteig.com
Energy | Water | Built-Environment
CONFIDENTIAL
Jaber,
What kind of advisement are you looking for? The plan for protecting this
space with NOVEC 1230 and using VESDA early warning detection sounds like the
way to go. Are you questioning removing the sprinkler system? You will most
likely need AHJ approval to install only the clean agent
Geoff,
A ceiling pocket could probably be defined as any elevation increase from the
rest of the ceiling, but whether it needs to be sprinklered is probably what
you are wondering??
I'm sure you have looked at 8.6.7.2 which has a long list of requirements that
all have to be met in order to
deflectors
are below the beams. Whew
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Reed Roisum
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:28 PM
To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org'
Subject: RE: Pockets
Geoff
NFPA 20 (2007) Article 9.3.3 states An alternate source of power is not
required where a back-up engine driven or back-up steam turbine driven fire
pump is installed in accordance with this standard.
Does the use of an emergency generator serving only the fire pump (no other
power) qualify as
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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:18 PM
To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org'
Subject: Fire Pump Alternate Power
NFPA 20 (2007) Article 9.3.3 states An alternate source of power is not
required where a back-up engine driven or back-up steam turbine driven fire
pump
/Electrical Inspector
Fire Marshals Office
Borough of Red Bank, NJ
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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:02 PM
To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org'
Subject
Need more info... What code applies? What is the occupancy classification?
Is there spectator seating? What is the square footage? Occupant load? Is it
on a the floor level of exit discharge?
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
? Probably
about 150 people.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Reed Roisum reed.roi...@ulteig.comwrote:
Need more info... What code applies? What is the occupancy
classification? Is there spectator seating? What is the square footage?
Occupant load? Is it on a the floor level of exit discharge
NFPA 13, 2007 ed. Handbook 6.8
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
Direct Number: 701.280.8580
Mobile: 701.212.8810
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FM seems to prefer the test connection to be at the remote branch line, but it
is a should not shall.
Check out Data Sheet 2-8n A-4-15.4.2.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
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Mobile:
What Tom, Cliff, and Steve said.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
Direct Number: 701.280.8580
Mobile: 701.212.8810
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That was refreshing to read. I sent KTVZ a note telling them so. I especially
like this line, The sprinkler system was shut down by the firefighters, who
found no water damage. Since the economy is so bad, maybe Leyton is
moonlighting as a reporter.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection
Can I suggest we use another career politician's name as a substitute for
numnut? You know, someone that the only thing they are good at and
understand is politics. I've got a few in mind. I am enjoying the Pelosi
term...hoping it'll catch on outside the forum. :)
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire
A pulse.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
Direct Number: 701.280.8580
Mobile: 701.212.8810
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Brian,
8.15.10.3 2007 ed. Talks about the criteria you must have to eliminate
sprinklers from an electrical room. The NEC prohibits running piping in the
dedicated electrical space 110.26 2008 ed.
8.15.3 2007 ed. Discusses stairways. Not sure what you are looking for. IBC
1020.1.2 2006
Russell,
Check out the commentary on 8.15.9 (2007 ed.). You can determine whether you
are dealing with high-density mobile shelving. But that is kind of what it
sounds like. Note what you need to do if you don't have 18 clear.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
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Subject: RE: Sprinkler Main Protection
No, the area the main passes through
Todd,
I had the same argument with an architect a few weeks ago and I posted the
question to the forum (Subject: combustible overhang 8-18-08) to see how this
is typically handled. I didn't get any responses. Typically, the space can't
be filled with insulation because it needs to remain
Reza,
I wouldn't necessarily say the 'right' choice, but certainly it is one of many
good choices depending on the specific application and a number of factors.
It seems as though many use 'FM-200' in lieu of 'Clean Agent' like we use
'Kleenex' for 'tissue'. There are many options when
Chris,
I came across this site when looking for tank manufacturers awhile ago.
http://www.firewatersystemsinc.com/
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
Direct Number: 701.280.8580
Mobile: 701.212.8810
Main Office:
Each of the clean agent gases have a NOAEL (No Observable Adverse Effect Level)
number that they have been tested to. For example, the NOAEL % for Novec 1230
is 10%, (this means that they have exposed an animal to that concentration with
no observable adverse effects) and the design
The strainer is only required on k factors smaller than 2.8k. [8.3.4.1]
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
Direct Number: 701.280.8580
Mobile: 701.212.8810
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I checked the archives and couldn't find anything regarding this specific issue.
I've got a 3'-0 overhang with combustible construction. The attic space has
18 of insulation with insulation stops at the edge of the building so the
soffit (overhang) space is open for venting. The attic space
A building (nursing home) with an emergency generator has a dry system. Is the
air compressor required to be connected to the emergency generator?
NFPA-13 (2007) 7.2.6.2.1,2 says that the air supply shall be from a source
available at all times and shall be capable of restoring normal air
If a water curtain is required for the proscenium opneing the design criteria
is in 11.3.3.
Reed A. Roisum
Fire Protection Technician
NICET Level III
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
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Mobile: 701.212.8810
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I believe the DN is Diameter Nominal. 300 DN (metric) is 300 MM which
is a 12 NPS (Nominal Pipe Size - inches)
Reed A. Roisum
Fire Protection Technician
NICET Level III
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
Direct Number: 701.280.8580
Mobile: 701.212.8810
Main
The IBC reads that it is up to the fire code official if alternative
fire extinguishing systems are allowed in lieu of the required automatic
sprinklers.
Reed A. Roisum
Fire Protection Technician
NICET Level III
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
Direct Number:
I am designing a fire pump room that has (2) diesel fire pumps that each
have a 187 gallon fuel tank. My question is about containment. I was
told by a fire pump supplier to use a double wall tank because it might
eliminate the need for containment walls. Based on NFPA-37 6.3.2.4 it
appears
If you have a handbook, look at the commentary text on 9.3.6.6. It says
that the restraint talked about in 9.3.6.6 does not apply to drops to
individual sprinklers.
I don't think you are overlooking anything, but you should take into
consideration that I come from probably the least active
Since no one else wants to 'tackle' this question...
No, when determining whether you can omit sprinklers in the ceiling
pockets the requirements would just apply to ceiling pockets within the
same room.
Reed A. Roisum
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF/CodesStandards/NFPAProposalForm.doc
You might have to be a NFPA member to get to this document??
Reed A. Roisum
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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Fargo, ND 58104-7079
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Bluebeam works well. Not sure on cost.
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Williams - work
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:42 AM
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Subject: CAD/PDF
Any good recommendations for a CAD to PDF converter?
should I spec for the dry underground? Can
(should) I use galvanized? Do you sleeve it? Any other suggestions?
Thanks,
Reed Roisum
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
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system for the amphitheatre.
The question is what pipe should I spec for the dry underground? Can
(should) I use galvanized? Do you sleeve it? Any other suggestions?
Thanks,
Reed Roisum
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
I am reviewing a dry system attic layout using Tyco's Single Directional
(SD) and Back to Back (BB) attic heads. The attic narrows at the remote
area so that the peak goes from an attic peak (12/4 slope)with roof on
each side, to a roof only on one side of the peak. (sorry for the poor
John,
8.15.3.3 (2002 ed.) may be what you are looking for.
Reed Roisum
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Sorry Paul. Your answer is incorrect. You didn't phrase it in the form
of a question. The correct answer is, What is Microbiologically
Influenced Corrosion.
We also would have accepted, What is Malaysian Indian Congress.
Reed Roisum
Fire Protection Department
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
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