[Sprinklerforum] Residential Sprinklers & Concrete Beams

2023-01-20 Thread Taylor Schumacher
w the sprinkler activation is affected. I thought I ran across something many moons ago where small beams actually aided the activation of residential sprinklers below those beams but I'd be pretty tight to the ceiling. Any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, would be greatly appreciated. Taylor Schu

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2022-12-02 Thread Bobby Welch
PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Residential Sprinklers If the space above is an unprotected combustible space then it's 8, if the space is protected (sprinklered or fire rated or full of insulation) then it's 4

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2022-12-02 Thread Brett Peters
If the space above is an unprotected combustible space then it's 8, if the space is protected (sprinklered or fire rated or full of insulation) then it's 4 Thanks Brett Peters General Manager Installation & Design Proudline Fire Protection Services Ltd. br...@proudline.ca 780 490 7602

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2022-12-02 Thread Mike Morey
atic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Residential Sprinklers How many residential sprinkler heads are required to calculate when working on a 5 story apartment that is designed per NFPA 13 2016. ? 11. 3. 1. 1 states that the for adjacent sprinklers that produce the greatest hydraulic de

[Sprinklerforum] Residential Sprinklers

2022-12-02 Thread Bobby Welch
How many residential sprinkler heads are required to calculate when working on a 5 story apartment that is designed per NFPA 13 2016.? 11.3.1.1 states that the for adjacent sprinklers that produce the greatest hydraulic demand, but 11.3.1.2 states 8 sprinkler heads. If there is a combustible

RE: Residential sprinklers

2021-12-02 Thread Cary Webber via Sprinklerforum
Carr Subject: RE: Residential sprinklers CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. Viking has a residential upright. Richard M. Carr, SET Project Manager/Design

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2021-12-02 Thread Richard Carr via Sprinklerforum
Fire Sprinkler Design INC via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 6:26 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: Residential sprinklers Has anyone installed or have information on a residential upright sprinkler that can be installed

Residential sprinklers

2021-12-01 Thread Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC via Sprinklerforum
Has anyone installed or have information on a residential upright sprinkler that can be installed in an open wood truss roof. The owner wants to have the trusses exposed in the living/dining area. Troy ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list

Re: Residential Sprinklers in Stairs

2020-08-07 Thread Mark Phillips via Sprinklerforum
Silva via Sprinklerforum Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 2:20:08 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Tony Silva Subject: Residential Sprinklers in Stairs [EXTERNAL] In a residential building (such as a condominium), I have always used non-residential quick response sprinklers

Residential Sprinklers in Stairs

2020-08-07 Thread Tony Silva via Sprinklerforum
In a residential building (such as a condominium), I have always used non-residential quick response sprinklers in the stairs, with residential sprinklers only in the dwelling units and adjacent corridors. There was a time when the code permitted the use of residential sprinklers only in corridors

RE: Assisted living facility - residential sprinklers in corridors

2019-01-07 Thread Steve Leyton
I don’t know if you got any responses to this but I do not think it’s the intent to allow the use of residential sprinklers in corridors that serve any other occupancies but residential. Steve L. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dewayne

RE: residential sprinklers

2019-01-07 Thread Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc.
THANKS FOR ALL HEE HELP From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Schumacher Sent: January-07-19 1:32 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: residential sprinklers That is correct. I was unaware of this until my

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2019-01-07 Thread Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G
www.linkedin.com/in/travismack “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:29 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: res

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2019-01-07 Thread Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc.
AND USE THE GREATER OF THE 2. ANYONE DISAGREE? From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of cw bamford Sent: January-07-19 1:20 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: residential sprinklers For 18 x 18 use a 5.8 K 1/2"

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2019-01-07 Thread Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G
ong after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of cw bamford Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:20 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: residential sprinklers For 18 x 18 use a 5.8 K 1/2" NPT or 7.6 K 3/4" NPT and

Re: residential sprinklers

2019-01-07 Thread cw bamford
Sent:* January-07-19 12:57 PM > *To:* Sprinklerforum > *Subject:* Re: residential sprinklers > > > > WHy not use a K5.6 residential sprinkler? > > > Todd G Williams, PE > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > Stonington, CT > > 860-535-2080 (of

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2019-01-07 Thread Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc.
ubject: residential sprinklers I HAVE A HOTEL THAT SAYS NFPA 13 DESIGN. IF I USE RESIDENTAIL SPRINKLERS IN THE UPPER FLOORS. AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT I MUST USE .10 DESNITY EXAMPLE . I WAS GOING TO USE 18x18 4.9 K SPRINKLER REQUIRES 17 GPM @ 12 PSI FOR .05 DENSITY BUT SINCE NF

Re: residential sprinklers

2019-01-07 Thread Fpdcdesign
; > > > > > > > > > From:Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 9:50 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.

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2019-01-07 Thread Steve Leyton
forum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: residential sprinklers I HAVE A HOTEL THAT SAYS NFPA 13 DESIGN. IF I USE RESIDENTAIL SPRINKLERS IN THE UPPER FLOORS. AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT I MUST USE .10 DESNITY EXAMPLE . I WAS GOING TO USE 18x18 4.9 K SPRINKLER REQUIRES 17 GPM @ 12 PSI FOR .05 DENSITY BUT SINCE NFP

RE: residential sprinklers

2019-01-07 Thread Steve Leyton
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 9:50 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: residential sprinklers I HAVE A HOTEL THAT SAYS NFPA 13 DESIGN. IF I USE

residential sprinklers

2019-01-07 Thread Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc.
I HAVE A HOTEL THAT SAYS NFPA 13 DESIGN. IF I USE RESIDENTAIL SPRINKLERS IN THE UPPER FLOORS. AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT I MUST USE .10 DESNITY EXAMPLE . I WAS GOING TO USE 18x18 4.9 K SPRINKLER REQUIRES 17 GPM @ 12 PSI FOR .05 DENSITY BUT SINCE NFPA #13 WOULD I BE REQUIRED TO

Re: Assisted living facility - residential sprinklers in corridors

2019-01-04 Thread John Irwin
facility - residential sprinklers in corridors NFPA 13 (13ed) I am designing a multi-story assisted living facility where some of the floors have a dwelling units on the external perimeter connected by a common corridor. Connected to the corridor is a group kitchen / eating / lounge and similar

Assisted living facility - residential sprinklers in corridors

2019-01-04 Thread Dewayne Martinez
for the staff to use. I was going to use residential sprinklers in the dwelling units, corridor and group areas and QR sprinklers in the offices and similar non-residential areas. Sound alright? Dewayne Martinez Fire Protection Design Manager *TOTAL* *Mechanical* *Building* *Integrity* W234

RE: corridors and residential sprinklers

2018-12-20 Thread jvankolken
San Luis Rey Rd. Oceanside, CA 92058 (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of MFP Design, LLC Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:36 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: corridors and residential sprinklers That pretty clearly shows 4 sprinklers

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2018-11-02 Thread Jamie Seidl
If protecting a corridor with residential sprinklers, I have always calculated 4. If protecting with standard spray, 5. Jamie ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi

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2018-10-29 Thread MFP Design, LLC
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Larry Keeping Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:34 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: corridors and r

RE: corridors and residential sprinklers

2018-10-29 Thread Larry Keeping
Take a look at NFPA 13, Figure A.11.3.1.1(a), Examples of Design Area for Dwelling Units. Larry Keeping From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of NSFD Sent: October-29-18 8:32 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: corridors and residential sprinklers I would go w/ the four

Re: corridors and residential sprinklers

2018-10-29 Thread NSFD
I would go w/ the four sprinklers. Section 8.4.5.1 permits residential sprinklers for dwelling units "and their adjoining corridors" and I think that's the key to get you into 11.3.1 for calculations. (2013 edition references). On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:09 PM MFP Design,

corridors and residential sprinklers

2018-10-29 Thread MFP Design, LLC
For a project that is a "typical" apartment building protected by NFPA 13 using residential sprinklers, how many sprinklers do you calculate in a corridor. In the NFPA 13 handbook, it says that when doing room design method, you can consider the corridor a room and calculate 5

RE: Residential Sprinklers

2018-03-06 Thread Reed A. Roisum, SET
I just informed them to use concealed residential sprinklers and stay with 13R. I think the main driver was that this building has the cops visiting about 3 times a week so they were looking for something tamper proof. I did inform them that institutional sprinklers are not tamper proof, just

RE: Residential Sprinklers

2018-03-06 Thread Steve Leyton
, i.e. life-safety. SL -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Reed A. Roisum, SET Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:38 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers Thank you. New

RE: Residential Sprinklers

2018-03-06 Thread MFP Design, LLC
Yes. You have to design the QR sprinklers at 0.10 density. So, you have to make sure your residential sprinklers are flowing at 0.1 density because the reference below says 0.10 over entire dwelling unit. It could get tricky with a picky AHJ. You don't have the reference to use small room rule

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2018-03-06 Thread Reed A. Roisum, SET
on the reference John provided below, we could install up to four institutional (QR) sprinklers per dwelling unit and the rest would need to be residential sprinklers, correct? And, we would need to design to 0.1 gpm/sq ft. NFPA 13R, 2013 edition 6.2 Use of Sprinklers. 6.2.1 Inside Dwelling

RE: Residential Sprinklers

2018-03-06 Thread John Paulsen
: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:14 AM To: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers Reed, 6.7.7.1.3. (2007). Carries through in later versions (as far as I looked). I ran I. To a similar situation recently and we had to change

Re: Residential Sprinklers

2018-03-06 Thread Fpdcdesign
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers > > You can only have a maximum of 4 QR sprinklers per dwelling unit, not just > compartment. If you need more than 4 standard spray sprinklers, you can't > comply with 13R. > > > Travis Mac

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2018-03-06 Thread Reed A. Roisum, SET
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of MFP Design, LLC Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:08 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers You can only have a maximum of 4 QR sprinklers per dwelling unit, not just compartment. If you need more

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2018-03-05 Thread MFP Design, LLC
otten." -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Art Tiroly Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 4:00 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers Using 5.6K QR heads will change the hydraulic calculat

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2018-03-05 Thread Art Tiroly
Using 5.6K QR heads will change the hydraulic calculations and minimum flows allowed by residential sprinklers. Art Tiroly ATCO Fire Protection/Tiroly 24400 Highland Rd CLE 44143 216-621-8899 216-570-7030 cell -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

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2018-03-05 Thread Ron Greenman
re’s someone that disagrees. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:46 PM Reed A. Roisum, SET <raroi...@kfi-eng.com> wrote: > Are residential sprinklers required for dwelling units in NFPA 13R? It > appears as though they can be QR or residential in the 2012 IBC (903.3.2). > For some reason I had

Residential Sprinklers

2018-03-05 Thread Reed A. Roisum, SET
Are residential sprinklers required for dwelling units in NFPA 13R? It appears as though they can be QR or residential in the 2012 IBC (903.3.2). For some reason I had in my mind that they needed to be residential within the dwelling unit or sleeping unit?? Thanks. Reed R. Reed A. Roisum

RE: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers ..

2017-11-21 Thread John Irwin
...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Travis Mack *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:23 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. That’s why I mentioned if he had a true 20x20. I couldn’t figure why you would want

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2017-11-21 Thread Travis Mack
a sprinklered home, do you? > > > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Travis Mack > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:54 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Interesting iss

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2017-11-21 Thread John Irwin
:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:11 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. Check chapter 11. I don’t have the standard in front of me. But that has been in the standard for about 2-3 decades. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design

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2017-11-21 Thread Pete Schwab
m-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:54 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. If you are truly 20x20, then you are looking at 67 psi with the 4.9 vs 13 psi with something like

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2017-11-21 Thread Steve Leyton
Yes, 11.3 of the latest edition. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 7:11 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. Check

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2017-11-21 Thread Travis Mack
rinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Travis Mack > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:02 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. > > That gives you about 25 psi of fricti

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2017-11-21 Thread John Irwin
] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. That gives you about 25 psi of friction loss. If you can make that work you are good with residential. Why 5-6 sprinklers if going with residential pendents? Are you not permitted to do the 4 residential sprinkler calc? Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC

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2017-11-21 Thread Travis Mack
s Mack > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:54 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. > > If you are truly 20x20, then you are looking at 67 psi with the 4.9 vs 13 psi > with something like a Tyco EC-11. Do you ha

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2017-11-21 Thread John Irwin
Of *Travis Mack *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:54 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. If you are truly 20x20, then you are looking at 67 psi with the 4.9 vs 13 psi with something like a Tyco EC-11. Do you have

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2017-11-21 Thread Travis Mack
half Of Kyle.Montgomery > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:44 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. > > Residential sprinklers are “permitted” in dwelling units, not “required”, > right? Coul

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2017-11-21 Thread Kyle . Montgomery
True. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 7:46 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. Yes. That’s an option as well. I

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2017-11-21 Thread John Irwin
:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of * Kyle.Montgomery *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:44 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. Residential sprinklers are “permitted

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2017-11-21 Thread Kyle . Montgomery
Residential sprinklers are “permitted” in dwelling units, not “required”, right? Couldn’t you use any one of a number of commercial QR extended coverage sprinklers? That might mess you up if you are trying to do a 4-sprinklers residential calc… or it could help because you could get a larger K

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2017-11-21 Thread Nick Maneen
.. residential sprinklers .. We have a winner! Thank you Taylor! John Irwin DynaFire Inc. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Schumacher Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 8:05 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE

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2017-11-21 Thread John Irwin
issue .. residential sprinklers .. We had a similar situation and used the Reliable F1RES49 Pendent, which has a listing of 4”-8” down. Hopefully you have good water. *Taylor Schumacher, CET* Security Fire Sprinkler <http://www.j-berd.com/> P.O. BOX 7308 | St. Cloud, MN 56302-7308

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2017-11-21 Thread Taylor Schumacher
Office: 320.656.0847 | tay...@sfsprinkler.com<mailto:tay...@sfsprinkler.com> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 5:27 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Interesting issue ..

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2017-11-21 Thread Mike B Morey
ire.com> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Date: 11/21/2017 06:27 AM Subject:Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. Sent by:"Sprinklerforum" <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> I am working on a project with a lot of 20x20 rooms

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2017-11-21 Thread John Irwin
.. residential sprinklers .. Any soffits over bathrooms or HVAC supply? We have done 20x20 sidewalls in places like this. Matt *From:* Sprinklerforum [ mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of *Ed.Tambini

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2017-11-21 Thread Matt Grise
: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers .. Use half of a riser clamp and put the pipe tight to the deck From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 4:27 AM To: sprinklerforum

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2017-11-21 Thread Ed . Tambini
.. residential sprinklers .. I am working on a project with a lot of 20x20 rooms in dwelling units. I have a concrete deck so my piping will be exposed. I am trying to find a 20x20 solutions but keep running in to road blocks. Maybe someone has an idea. The way I see it, I need one of the following … I

Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers ..

2017-11-21 Thread John Irwin
I am working on a project with a lot of 20x20 rooms in dwelling units. I have a concrete deck so my piping will be exposed. I am trying to find a 20x20 solutions but keep running in to road blocks. Maybe someone has an idea. The way I see it, I need one of the following … I need a

Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-07 Thread Charles Thurston
Ed Kramer Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:47 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers A couple of things to consider: -Section 8.4.5.2 – can’t use residential sprinks on a dry system unless specifically listed for d

Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-07 Thread Parsley Consulting
0 */I sleep in a sprinklered home, do you? /* *From:*Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Parsley Consulting *Sent:* Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:02 PM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residentia

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2017-04-07 Thread Dewayne Martinez
20sec better. Dewayne *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Ed Kramer *Sent:* Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:47 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* RE: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers A couple of things

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2017-04-06 Thread Pete Schwab
ulting Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:02 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers Remember friends that the text Travis quoted was added in the 2010 edition of -13. Dewayne's inquiry began with a note that his project was go

RE: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-06 Thread Mark Phillips
nal Message- From: Mark Phillips [mailto:markphill...@webolton.com] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 8:17 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: dmarti...@total-mechanical.com Subject: Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers If I'm understanding The roof system is unchanged and

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2017-04-06 Thread Ed Kramer
-mechanical.com Subject: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers NFPA 13 (07ed) I have an existing 5th floor shell space that is installed as a light hazard dry system that has pipe in the shell space and in the attic. They are turning this floor into a dormitory (R-2). 1)Can I use

RE: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-06 Thread Foster, Ed
-2451 [cid:82df1ca92855c9c2623baa3ddf8c0acda8677ac1@zimbra] From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Parsley Consulting Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 9:02 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

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2017-04-06 Thread Travis Mack, SET
.org> *Subject:* Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers Double check delivery times. I think you need a 15 second delivery time in residential areas. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send l

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2017-04-06 Thread Parsley Consulting
prinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> *Subject:* Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers Double check delivery times. I think you need a 15 second delivery time in residential areas. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.f

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2017-04-06 Thread Travis Mack, SET
7 8:58 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> *Subject:* Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers Double check delivery times. I think you need a 15 second delivery time in residential areas. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC

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2017-04-06 Thread Dewayne Martinez
: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Travis Mack *Sent:* Thursday, April 06, 2017 8:58 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers Double check delivery times. I think you need a 15 second delivery time

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2017-04-06 Thread Travis Mack
l Message- > From: Mark Phillips [mailto:markphill...@webolton.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 8:17 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: dmarti...@total-mechanical.com > Subject: Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers > > If I'm understanding > The

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2017-04-06 Thread Mark Phillips
ti...@total-mechanical.com Subject: Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers If I'm understanding The roof system is unchanged and your adding a lower supply to be rooms. Use standard qr heads and same pipe sizes The roof is still most demanding Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Apr 6

RE: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-06 Thread Dewayne Martinez
total-mechanical.com Subject: Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers If I'm understanding The roof system is unchanged and your adding a lower supply to be rooms. Use standard qr heads and same pipe sizes The roof is still most demanding Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Apr 6, 2017 9:

Re: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-06 Thread Mark Phillips
If I'm understanding The roof system is unchanged and your adding a lower supply to be rooms. Use standard qr heads and same pipe sizes The roof is still most demanding Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Apr 6, 2017 9:14 AM, Dewayne Martinez wrote: NFPA 13

NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

2017-04-06 Thread Dewayne Martinez
NFPA 13 (07ed) I have an existing 5th floor shell space that is installed as a light hazard dry system that has pipe in the shell space and in the attic. They are turning this floor into a dormitory (R-2). 1)Can I use listed residential heads on return bends and only pick up 4 heads per

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Fire Marshals

2016-06-03 Thread Steve Leyton
fire officials out there willing to go on record opposing residential sprinklers?" Adoption of the IRC provisions is challenging. For a local or state government to be swayed, there has to be a coordinated effort to enlist and appease all of the stakeholders including homebuilders

Residential Sprinklers and Fire Marshals

2016-06-03 Thread JD Gamble
Just looking for some feedback from some of our code officials on forum. Where do you stand on a community's need for fire sprinklers? Life Safety Solutions of Sheridan JD Gamble jgam...@lssofsheridan.com (307) 763-3361 --- This

concealed residential sprinklers in beams

2015-10-09 Thread Rocci Cetani 3
Does anyone have any knowledge on installing concealed pendent sprinklers in false beams? The Reliable cut sheet (bulletin 006 Rev I) for RFC43 says “top of deflector to ceiling installed in beams ½” to 1”. Now the residential sprinkler design guide (bulletin 140 Rev K) specifically says “RFC

Re: concealed residential sprinklers in beams

2015-10-09 Thread Charles Thurston
Hello Rocci, A false beam installed below the solid ceiling will stop the airflow that would normally go into the attic space during a fire. That airflow is critical for the concealed head to operate. Friday, October 9, 2015, 11:52:13 AM, you wrote: > Does anyone have any knowledge on

Re: concealed residential sprinklers in beams

2015-10-09 Thread rongreenman .
Charles, Devils Advocate. What if the distance from the holes in the base to the ceiling is the same as from the holes to the insulation layer? Wouldn't that be the same thing? Heads mounted in a ceiling with an isolation "tent" at the joist top level form a channel but keep the heat going from

RE: concealed residential sprinklers in beams

2015-10-09 Thread Rocci Cetani 3
nkler.org Cc: Rocci Cetani 3; sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: concealed residential sprinklers in beams Charles, Devils Advocate. What if the distance from the holes in the base to the ceiling is the same as from the holes to the insulation layer? Wouldn't that be the

Residential sprinklers in Long Branch, NJ

2011-09-23 Thread George Church
I have an urgent need for a residential sprinkler contractor for some homes that need to be sprinklered near Long Branch, NJ. Could anyone who gets it with 13D please contact me ASAP off-Forum? Developer is willing to voluntarily sprinkler some new homes, but not at $6/SF for crying out loud!

more on PA residential sprinklers

2011-02-07 Thread George Church
Insurance group wants sprinkler law Posted: Sunday, February 6, 2011 4:23 pm BY MARK WALTERS Times Staff Writer | The American Insurance Association announced that it is in opposition to Pennsylvania Senate Bill 1001 and House Bill 1809, which involves legislation amending the state

Re: Residential Sprinklers

2011-02-07 Thread George Medina Jr
Excellent! George Medina Jr. -Original Message- From: Cliff Whitfield cl...@fire-design.com To: sprinklerforum sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Sun, Feb 6, 2011 3:36 pm Subject: Residential Sprinklers Folks, Here is a link to an excellent article from the PME eNewsletter 2

Residential Sprinklers

2011-02-06 Thread Cliff Whitfield
Folks, Here is a link to an excellent article from the PME eNewsletter 2/3/11. I wish more PE’s felt this way. http://www.pmengineer.com/Articles/Ballanco/2011/01/01/The-Engineering-Dilem ma Cliff Whitfield, SET President Fire Design, Inc.   cl...@fire-design.com www.fire-design.com

RE: Residential Sprinklers

2011-02-06 Thread Rod DiBona
, February 06, 2011 4:36 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Residential Sprinklers Folks, Here is a link to an excellent article from the PME eNewsletter 2/3/11. I wish more PE's felt this way. http://www.pmengineer.com/Articles/Ballanco/2011/01/01/The-Engineering-Dilem ma Cliff

residential sprinklers on the TV

2010-10-27 Thread George Church
http://pahomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=159316 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To

Re: residential sprinklers on the TV

2010-10-27 Thread Ron Greenman
Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:38 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: residential sprinklers on the TV http://pahomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id

Residential Sprinklers on a dry System

2010-07-26 Thread Mike Hairfield
Here is the problem Have a dry pipe system where a portion of the building is rated R and the remainder is A B. Recently TYCO has come out with residential dry pendent sprinkler for residential systems. OK now here is my question What have you contractors' done in the past in

RE: Residential Sprinklers on a dry System

2010-07-26 Thread Matt Grise
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 1:33 PM To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM Subject: Residential Sprinklers on a dry System Here is the problem Have a dry pipe system where a portion of the building is rated R

RE: Residential Sprinklers on a dry System

2010-07-26 Thread Mike Hairfield
The residential area is a conditioned space above and below the ceiling, why can't we use residential pendents on return bends? Mike From: m...@afpsprink.com To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:36:35 -0500 Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers on a dry System

RE: Residential Sprinklers on a dry System

2010-07-26 Thread Steve Leyton
...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:37 AM To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org' Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers on a dry System The residential dry pendant is approved for dry pipe systems! Matt Grisé PE

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

2010-07-10 Thread Mike Cabral
: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:40 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems Always the last to know. However, I could

Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

2010-07-09 Thread Mike Hairfield
Have a situation where there is a dry pipe sprinkler system being installed in a multi use building A-3, B, R-2 and S-1 Occupancies. In the R-2 portion the space above the ceiling is conditioned and I was hoping to use Listed Residential Sprinklers on return bends. Local AHJ states

Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

2010-07-09 Thread Todd Williams
to use Listed Residential Sprinklers on return bends. Local AHJ states that only TYCO LFII Dry-Type Residential Sprinklers can be used in this area since this is the only Listed Residential Sprinkler for use on Dry Pipe Systems. Has anyone run across this situation besides me? Mike Hairfield

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

2010-07-09 Thread Ken Holsopple (forum)
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems There is no dry-type residential sprinkler that I could find on the Tyco web site. Never heard of one either. Unless this is something new, he may be blowing smoke up your whoops-a-daisy. My guess is that you

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

2010-07-09 Thread Mike Hairfield
It also states why use Commercial Dry Sprinklers in Residential Systems so in the past using non-residential sprinklers in R use Groups was OK? Mike Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:33:54 -0700 From: tm...@mfpdesign.com To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

2010-07-09 Thread Fletcher, Ron
...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:33 AM To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems Has to be dry pipe system only and TYCO has a new Dry pendent Residential Sprinklers TY2235

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