Re: Bounces?
If I recall correctly, it was outgoing. I say that because I was sending the message to Support (@ whereever)... for assistance. Definitelu outgoing. Question No. 3: Why do you, David, send me a question that when I reply to it, it gets refused because you have an invalid return address? keith - Original Message - From: David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Bounces? On 8/20/2015 12:11 PM, Keith Whaley wrote: divWhat dows this mean to me?/div div/div Now I have two questions: #1 is: What does div mean when it appears before my message text? There's also /div which I take to mean 'close div', but what is div? #2: If a copy of my message appears on screen, sometimes I see the words +keith_w bounces, or words to that effect. I assume this should be addressed to me, for me to actually DO something about it... but WHAT? I haven't a clue. TIA for any assistance, keith whaley Is that for outgoing messages or incoming messages? -- David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Bounces?
divWhat dows this mean to me?/div div/div Now I have two questions: #1 is: What does div mean when it appears before my message text? There's also /div which I take to mean 'close div', but what is div? #2: If a copy of my message appears on screen, sometimes I see the words +keith_w bounces, or words to that effect. I assume this should be addressed to me, for me to actually DO something about it... but WHAT? I haven't a clue. TIA for any assistence, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
New message. WAS Re: Password Manager
I have a question to ask of the list. Recently I've noticed the address bar contains the words Sender : support-seamonkey support-seamonkey-bounces+keith_w=dslextreme@lists.mozilla.org Why bounces? Is there something I should do? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Question about BEING unsubscribed
I just received a message from the support-seamonkey-bun...@lists.mozilla.org with the titie: You have been unsubscribed from the support-seamonkey mailing list. My questions are, by whom and for what reason? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
IO want t oknow what action has been taken
...regarding my deletion from the list? I did nothing knowingly to cause problems anywhere. keith whaley - Support-seamonkey list member for a long time. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.9.1 additions?
I've noticed a new icon that occasionally occurs in the message's Subject header, a pencil that is pointed at 45 deg. off the vertical, pointed downward, either whole or broken in the middle, still pointed downward. It seems to have occurred coincident with the automatic download of SM 2.9.1. Anybody have an idea what it is supposed to portray? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Missing paper clip if attachment file is a .zip
Ed Mullen wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Ray_Net wrote, On 04/04/2012 23:03: In the sent folder (i have not tested in the inbox folder) presence of an attachement is displayed by then image of a paper clip. But when the attached file is a .zip one, the image is missing Is this another bug of SM or a feature invented by the developpers ? I should also add the fact that i did not see the attachment in a window located right of the headers. So no way to retrieve it by doing a save attachment. Ray, This smacks of invention by the developers, because no one is supposed to send .zip attachments. They may carry bugs. Michael G Geez. http://www.armadilloweb.com/ Horrible contrast choices. Give me some contrast, ok? Sheesh, blue on blue, awful. Can't read it. It's just horrible, visually. Can't get past the visual to the content. And I am actually interested in Austin stuff. This is horrible. Ed, I agree with you. Especially the left side menu items. In the first place, black on dark blue is a difficult read all by itself, but when you do a mouse-over, the text in the menu items changes to white text on a light blue bar. Almost totally unreadable. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
List message icons
I use SM v.2.7.2, Intel Mac OSX 10.6.8 I've tried to find some online info on list message icons, but can't locate it. My questions are simple. In the Subject listings pane/section, each post shows an envelope icon before the message's Title. Some envelopes are plain, some have a superimposed downward-pointing green arrow on the flap, and some have a left-facing orange arrow superimposed on the envelope's left side. It's not intuitive as to what those icons mean, and I can find noplace to read about it. Thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Key press delay
Mac OS 10.6.8 iMac 7,1 Fall 2007 SM 2.7.2 When I'm typing a message, either in answer to someone else's post or an original for me to post to the list, I frequently find the appearance of the letters on the screen lag the pressing of the keyboard keys by as much as 3 seconds. If I ignore that and keep typing, eventually the words will appear, but not smoothly, as in a word processor. I merely want to know why that is. Suggestions welcome. As one might guess, it hasn't happened to THIS post yet. Go figure... keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archive folder?
Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-01-07 8:54 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/06/2012 01:47 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I never did this, but Shift-A is such a common keystroke combination that I can't believe any competent designer would use it for a specific function. I see that all my accounts are set to create archives, which is disturbing because I used to have folders by that name, with contents, and they're gone! That sounds like a critical bug. Have you filed a bug report? For Thunderbird, the plan is to provide some sort of notification when you first use the archive shortcut. See https://bug511741.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=528851 I assume that would be adopted by SeaMonkey. But I'm just assuming. However, that isn't because Shift-A is considered a common keystroke. It's because the shortcut in Thunderbird and Mac versions of SeaMonkey is just A. And /that/ is too easy to hit unintentionally. :) When it was implemented in SeaMonkey, Shift-A was chosen instead, but for some reason, the Mac version was kept at A. And Keith Whaley (the person who started this thread) is on Mac. Hi Chris. Not sure what you're saying. My Mac shows the Archive command under the menu bar item Message drop-down and it's Shift-A. Oh, I'm using SM v.2.5. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: a very big conveniance [cLEK FUDE, CHECK IT OUT]
Michael Gordon wrote: [...] KM, My personal opinion, try it out sometime. It is far easier to print any document to a .pdf file and attach the file to an e-mail message. FAX transmissions are on the way out for the majority of users. 1. You need a dedicated phone line. 2. You need to know if the recipient can receive FAX transmissions. 3. If your recipient is not in your local calling area you pay long distance fees for the length of time it takes to send 500Kb FAX, at 96Kb/sec. to the recipient. E-mail attachments of a 500Kb PDF file transfer in Microseconds. Michael G Thanks, Michael. I read your message to my wife, and 20 minutes of dialog later (!) I turned off my beloved Brother all-in-one fax/copy/phone machine, for the first time in a VERY long time! Sighhh. I recognize you're right, so...we'll try it. For a while. :-D I suspect all we'll REALLY miss is, the regular American Airlines and other such travel agencies' gratuitous offers twice weekly. grin I also suspect that once we figure out we really do NOT need a fax machine any longer, we'll get rid of the extra phone line! Now that will be a savings. More beer for Dad! g keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Archive folder?
I use a Mac and am operating from OS 10.6.8. I also use SeaMonkey v.2.5. The other day I noticed a new folder in my SM lineup called Archives. What caused that to show up? Was it part of v.2.5 SM and I never noticed it until now? From time to time, I notice new messages in there, in sub-folders titled 2011 or 2012. I don't recall setting up rules to move messages there. What's going on, please? Thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Editing an unsent message
MontgomeryMARQUITA32 wrote: If you're in not good state and have no cash to go out from that, you would require to take thea href=http://goodfinance-blog.com/topics/credit-loans;credit loans/a. Because that will aid you for sure. I take student loan every year and feel myself good because of it. This is NOT an appropriate message for the list, and doesn't follow the Subject line. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Incidental info
I have an iMac using OS 10.6.8 I just moved from SeaMonkey 2.0.14 to 2.4.1. In one fell swoop. I felt it was a risk on my part, but...it was totally trouble free and without problems. I think it important that everybody knows that. The windows seem 'crisper', brighter and load in seconds. Frequently as little as TWO. Big change. I feel I owe those who compiled this version and did such a super job, and I wanted to thank them publicly. Thanks, guys!!! keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Towards an alternative way forward for Seamonkey
Excellent analogy, Sir Phillip! :-) Pertinent, accurate and most amusing all at the same time. Thanks, keith whaley Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: MCBastos wrote: To draw a very simple parallel, there's very little haste and stress involved in getting on the subway to travel cross-town... because if I miss this train, there will be another a few minutes later, and you can get on it with minimum effort and little lost time. Getting on a plane, OTOH, involves quite a lot of worry and rushing around, because if I miss the plane, there might take hours to get on another one, with considerable annoyance, expenses and lost time. Well, let's explore your metaphor further -- let's say you were used to catching the 20:14, which stopped everywhere you wanted it to, didn't stop at strange, out-of-the-way, stations, was reliable, punctual and got you to the office on time. Then the 20:14 was cancelled (well, not really cancelled, but all the station staff told you that it wasn't really safe any more, even though it was exactly the same train you had been using for months), and they really thought that you should start taking the 22:00 instead. So you did what they recommended, and strange things started to happen; it no longer stopped everywhere it used to, stopped at strange, out-of-the-way stations that no-one had ever heard of, your luggage would frequently disappear without trace, you were automatically sat alongside a bunch of other folk you'd never seen before instead of having a carriage to yourself, and various other oddities occurred that forced you to wonder what exactly was so wrong with the good old 20:14. And then the 22:00 was cancelled, and replaced by the 23:00, which had its own set of quirks, and then there was the 24:00 and the 24:10 which replaced it shortly afterwards, and all the staff kept assuring you that this regular change of timetable was in everyone's interest, and they didn't mind working their @rses off so that new timetables could be published every six weeks, and so on. And then someone had a brainwave -- look, he said, just because the rail network keeps introducing new trains doesn't mean that we commuters have to follow suit; why don't we just agree amongst ourselves that /our/ timetable will change only every six months ? Sure there'll be trains that are faster than ours, painted in prettier, more psychedelic colours, with go-faster stripes and all the bells and whistles you could possibly ask for, but our trains will have one great advantage : we will have dry-run them for a minimum of three months before we let a single commuter loose on them; they'll be thoroughly way-tested by our dedicated band of better-testers (as we call them in the rail trade), we'll make sure that all the rough edges to the seats that were there when they left the factory have been removed, we'll make sure that the train stops where /our/ passengers want it to stop, and that it sails through those crazy stations that the rail network think it ought to, and so on. Now wouldn't you, Mr Bastos, think twice before willingly agree to catch a different train every six weeks, and wouldn't you perhaps prefer to catch a slightly slower train in the the sure and certain knowledge that it would be /reliable/, would manifest no unexpected behaviour, and even if it wasn't 100% bullet-proof against the latest weapons of micro-destruction (WMDs, as they are called in the trade, or Viruses and Trojan Horses, as it is rumoured they were once known), there was still a 99.999% probability that you would arrive safely, particularly because you long ago invested in some good, modern, anti-WMD protection that made sure that your train would almost never encounter those WMDs in the first place ? The defence rests, m'lud. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: changing folder sequence
Keith Whaley wrote: MCBastos wrote: On 08/10/2011 20:53, Keith Whaley told the world: I have several folders under my Inbox folder. Since I upgraded from 2.0.14, to 2.4.1, some of my folders have changed position. I don't like that. I want to switch them back to the old order. Who can tell me how to move a folder to a different place in the sequence? SM 2.4.1 Mac OS 10.6.8 Thanks, keith whaley Try using the Folderpane Tools extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/seamonkey/addon/folderpane-tools/ Thanks, MC keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
changing folder sequence
I have several folders under my Inbox folder. Since I upgraded from 2.0.14, to 2.4.1, some of my folders have changed position. I don't like that. I want to switch them back to the old order. I tried Click-Control, -Option and -Command. None of which work. Who can tell me how to move a folder to a different place in the sequence? SM 2.4.1 Mac OS 10.6.8 Thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Moving a folder?
I want to rearrange the position of some folders that are subfolders in my Inbox folder. I just upgraded to SM 2.4.1 and love it, but...there are some oddities that cropped up so I am trying to rearrange things as I like them. This is one of them. Thanks, keith whaley Mac OS 10.6.8 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 11:38 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. [snipped] Now you tell me you strongly avoid Unicode. I'd really like to know why. Also, what encoding scheme DO you use in lieu of? Mostly just a personal preference. My general (US based) contacts that I know personally have typically not had good results when I send unicode chars. Also, my keyboard does not make it easy for me to type unicode chars. I usually stick with ASCII in e-mails for that reason. Also I'm not too familiar with dealing with encoding schemes as I would like. When I do chose an encoding scheme, I usually choose UTF-8 (BOM or not depends on context). I have nothing against unicode, just that I experience too much font issues when *I* use it outside of dev. These issues are usually avoidable easily by simply not using Unicode. Hope that helps It does. I'll add one more comment. In the site: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html The following quote appears: The UTF-8 encoding defined in ISO 10646-1:2000 Annex D and also described in RFC 3629 as well as section 3.9 of the Unicode 4.0 standard does not have these problems. It is clearly the way to go for using Unicode under Unix-style operating systems. My guess is that since I work with Mac OS 10, which is UNIX based, that's why I find it compatible for my use. I'll also guess you use a Windows OS, and that is not UNIX based, which is one reason why you dislike how UTF-8 treats your efforts. Not sure, but possible... keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. Justin, if you can find or take the time to explain why you don't like Unicode, it would help many of us who don't have a CLUE as to why not! I started using Unicode some while back, when I found a lot of oddities in portraying one or another glyph could be SOLVED by switching from my usual Western (ISO 8859-1) to Unicode (UTF-8). Now you tell me you strongly avoid Unicode. I'd really like to know why. Also, what encoding scheme DO you use in lieu of? keith whaley Mac OS 10.6.8 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Acrobat / Reader question
Ray_Net wrote: WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: WLS wrote: JeffM wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Adobe absolutely refuses to support Gecko based Browsers on Mac. [...][It's] webkit only. Perhaps we should switch to webkit . ...or perhaps to Linux. My votes for Linux :) Let people to use the OS they want/prefer ! I do let people use the OS they want/prefer. Fortunately Mozilla isn't going to abandon Gecko for WebKit, so if someone wants to use Adobe Reader with Mac they are out of luck. I still vote for Linux. Gecko and Webkit are not OS. I still vote for Windows. To do what? Everybody knows Mac is superior. Sighh. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 10/08/2011 16:45, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: PhillipJones wrote: [...] I strongly suspect he wasn't interviewed by CNN, and in the end, he didn't email the world. All he did was to email somebody on this list. Somewhat complicated at times, but hardly as earthshakingly important as suggested. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards
Ray_Net wrote: Don wrote: Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. [...] Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.? Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain. Not just to report a bug. (this version IS a bug.) No. You must accept the developers dreams ... they are not paid, so they can do what they want. A commonly-stated incorrect-ism. While the developers may not receive any remuneration for what they do, they ARE employed. And as such, that 'team' must follow the direction(s) set down by those in charge, who (presumably) have a direction they have planned to follow, to attain whatever mutual goals have been established. All moving vehicles or groups need a goal and a direction. Do/go where they want? I don't think so... The SM team is not a reincantation of the Keystone Kops. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: if you simply deleted his address from the reply field (rather than editing it to deobfuscate it), it would be less work for you and nicer to him (or anyone else). Already incorporated into my standard working practice for this list. It takes a chap a little while to get up to speed, don't you know ? :-) Hey, Philip, is there a particular reason why you use the mail list?? Is it just that you were unaware that you could get all these posts any other way?? If it's just because you don't know how, askthere are any number of people here that could advise you how to get to the newsgroup directly. Then you could pick and choose which posts you read, rather than getting each and every one delivered to your mail box. Just out of ornery curiosity, why is it so many folks who regularly (and preferentially?) attend the newsgroup version of this list get so bent out of shape over those of us who, for whatever reason, prefer and use the mail method of message delivery for the very same list? I just read that there is some sort of reciprocity between the mail and newsgroups anyhow, so that posting to one gets to the other ANYhow, so...what's the big deal? keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: I used reply/all; if I don't, it goes only to you. ** Phil. Daniel wrote: Philip, why did you reply to the newsgroup *AND* to me via email? There is no need and only wastes my available email allowance!! True. So is Daniel's well-made point. If the message is pertinent to and addressed to the group, it makes little sense to address it to all. If you address your response to Daniel as WELL as the entire group, it looks like you're making a point - to the list membership - of Daniel's getting HIS own copy...for whatever reason. Your response will contain Daniel's name at the top of your return message as a contributor, but now he gets TWO messages, and as he says, not only did he get double what everyone else gets, but it negatively affects his email allowance. He's merely asking for a little consideration. Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That makes very little sense. If I'm reading messages in a Special Interest LIST, any response should GO to the list. But not THIS list. One's normal intention when choosing Reply is to add your personal comment to the subject matter on the LIST, not only the last person entering his opinion ~ but that's how this list has been set up. JMMHO, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: more than I feel comfortable citing So what is your point, Keith ? Fair enough, Phillip. See below, please. I am assuming you meant thes line items as questions, not statements? I ask, because you had NO punctuation following the last word in each sentence. I've constructed my reply as tho' you meant these to be questions. 1) I am using e-mail inappropriately (in this context) Perhaps. In that there is virtually no need to send a separate email to Daniel's specific email address, as WELL as the list. Not only that but it works a hardship on him. If there's no rational reason to send him a personal email as well, why do so? Just because it's habit to hit Reply All? I think the reason you and others do this is because there's no choice of Reply To List. IMMHO that should be the default. In place of Reply sending an email to the poster of that message. When I put my mouse cursor over Reply it specifically says Reply to the message. If it actually _did_ that, that would be ideal, but it doesn't. It replies to the last poster, PERSONALLY. That's not what it says it was meant to do. That is simply wrong, IMO. 2) The list is inappropriately configured I've said that for some time now. This list is not alone in being inappropriately configured with respect to sending an answer to a message. I figured out a long time ago how to circumvent that niggling little problem, but the fact that it's inconvenient and illogically constructed is still true. 3) Seamonkey is not correctly following RFC-822 I'm aware of RFC-822, but am not enough familiar with the specific areas to quote section and paragraph. I realize none of this is malicious, or even terribly important in the overall scheme of things, but to ignore a user's angst over his ratcheting email costs is kinda cold, don'tcha think? 4) Daniel is unreasonable in his expectations No, in my opinion he isn't. 5) Something else ? Nossir, not at all. No hidden or unrevealed message. If number one had been properly addressed, there would be no need for all this palaver in the first place! Philip Taylor Best to one and all. keith whaley said with a calm smile ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
H.D. Icon Q.
SM 2.0.14 iMac w/OS 10.6.8 Suddenly, the other day, just as my ext. backup H.D. went south, my Internal H.D. icon turned to display like a Time Machine drive, with the 3/4 arrowed circle and clock hands inside. It used to display as an ordinary enclosed disc drive. I can derive no clue from Get Info, which calls it a 250 GB drive, formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled). No other pertinent info. Every time something visibly changes...I want to know why it did that. Thanks, keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: this is what i hink ...
E. Wong wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 7/21/2011 6:15 PM, km wrote: ... it is gud for people to make comments abt what needs to be fixed with 'sm' BUTT these same people should suggest a way to implement their solution code. ... if you are NOT technical you should STFU! I'm not sure if your vitriol was meant against us Developers/People who do code/work on SeaMonkey in our free time. I think the post is directed at those who complain about features/bugs not fixed and the post was to suggest that they add some constructive criticism in the form of 'code'. IOW, if you don't know how to fix the darn bugs, find ways of helping or STFU. That's my take of the post. Edmund The percentage of folks even CAPABLE of coding has to be quite small, in comparison to the total lot of SM users, so your sophomoric response is unacceptable. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unwanted tab opening from hyperlink in e-mail
Michael Gordon wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Hallo. I have just upgraded to Seamonkey V2.2, and for the first time, have encountered a change behaviour which is both unexpected and unwanted. In all previous versions, clicking on an http: hyperlink in an e-mail message caused a new browser window to open; now, in V2.2, a new tab opens instead. I do not use tabs, do not like tabs, but can find nothing under Edit/Preferences that will allow me to restore this behaviour to its previous form. I would be very grateful if someone could advise me how to undo this unwanted change, short of reverting back to an earlier version of Seamonkey. Many thanks in advance : Philip Taylor Try going to Edit/Preferences/Browser/Tabbed Browsing. Uncheck what you do not want. That advise applies if you use a PC; if you use a Mac version of SM, the route becomes SeaMonkey/Preferences/Browser/Tabbed Browsing. I think the choices given will satisfy all needs. Even though this is a browser setting and you are posting about e-mail, when you click on a link in a message it opens your web browser. Michael G True. Thanks for the post, Michael. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
Jay Garcia wrote: On 16.07.2011 22:15, JeffM wrote: --- Original Message --- Graham wrote: I'm liking Seamonkey less and less [Large amounts of text elided] Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. What else is required other than to be a user, I thought his post was quite eloquent and nowhere near being trollish. Hear! Hear! keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Email Command line is gone.
Or whatever they call it. The horizontal line that contains icons and such for manipulating messages in email. Delete, Forward, Reply, Reply to All, etc. The current window, starting from the top, shows: - the header line that contains SeaMonkey drop-down menu, the View window and the Search window, and at the far right, the Advanced window. - the next window down is the Tab line, where open mail message tabs appear. That's IT. There used to be another line I;d call the Command line. Now missing. How do I get it back? I see no spare arrows anywhere, indicating there are (now hidden) lines of command icons. I restarted SM. No luck. Any ideas? keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey
PhillipJones wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that? I received the same mail. It mentioned I had been using Yahoo! mail for 4 years! I use GMail, not Yahoo Mail. Does the fact that I get a number of special interest list messages by way of Yahoo matter? If they ignore SeaMonkey, I'll return the favor and ignore them. keith whaley if you go to about:config then choose User Agent double-click on the line that says Seamonkey/2.0.14 and change it to Firefox/4.0 (or 5.0) Then go to yahoo, and then to email you will be able set up just fine. Thank you sir! Small item, my Firefox is 3.6.8. If I replace SeaMonkey with Firefox 3.6.8 instead, will that matter in the User Agent line, since I'm lying anyhow? keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey
cyberzen wrote: PhillipJones a écrit : Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that? cyberzen, it seems your mail sender cuts off the first few words of your sentences. What should have appeared before your partial sentence below, use seamonkey's Mail client ? keith whaley use seamonkey's Mail client ? pop.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 995) smtp.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 465 avec authentification) imap.mail.yahoo.com (SSL, port 993) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Keith Whaley wrote: Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set as implemented within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about is a set of design requirements and interface specifications - not the actual implementation in code to accomplish the task. I like the SM implementation...(completely) new code, same look. I'll make you a deal, if you want to HIRE me, with a contract, weekly pay, etc. And give me a device or two that I can test my code on. And pay for any dev kits I need to do the work. I will attempt this task. Beyond that I don't think I (or anyone here) would have time or the ability to do it. Time, maybe. Ability? I'm certain they do. At least I'm certain the development team does. I may also require you to hire additional people to make this possible (since I know very little about the mail side of things) That's only fair, and I've thought about attempting it myself...but if I do and am successful, I'll of course be keeping all the money... ...and I'd expect you to do the same. Aha. What money? SM is free of cost at the moment. If they're expecting to develop another SM from scratch for iOS style products, you're also going to have to locate a pretty rich donor, to pay salaries and such things. And in the end, you're going to expect Honda style reliability and usefulness...which MUST come from the team who does the job anew. Anew because what you want doesn't yet exist. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Keith Whaley wrote: Nice analogy, MC... keith whaley MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking as a user and not a coder, and I also realize this means a *new* product. What I want is the Mozilla feature set brought to iOS...which is why I now have the Atomic browser on my iPad. It's as close as I can get. The thing is, the feature set on Firefox and Seamonkey is completely dependent on the Gecko engine. The user interface is ran by the browser engine, not by the operating system. That's what allows writing such powerful browser extensions, for starters. Gecko was designed from the start to offer this functionality. Webkit does not offer it, and that's why Safari and Chrome extensions are comparatively simpler. What you are asking for would be an entirely new product, built from the ground up, reusing very little existing Mozilla/Seamonkey code, made to mimic superficially the Seamonkey features. I say superficially because, even if it looked like Seamonkey, it would be unable to run extensions -- because those extensions depend on Gecko to run. What you are doing, essentially, is going to Honda and suggesting they should build a Civic -- but using a Ford engine, Ford transmission and Ford unibody, with only surface bodywork and upholstering by Honda. And of course, it should *still* allow the installation of engine tuning kits which were designed for a Honda engine, because those engines are one of the nice things about Hondas... Would you be surprised if Honda considered your request could hardly be called a Honda and therefore they weren't interested in wasting engineering talent developing it, while there were real Hondas to be developed? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
NG = newsgroup
Folks that have been on thes groups for a long time seem to forget others just joining, or not running across a particular acromym, might get confused at the various unknowns from time to time. In Writing 101, it was stressed that the first time you used an acronym in a correspondence, you spelled it out. From then on, you could use the shortened version at will. The person who recently asked What is a NG had a perfectly valid question, and it seems to me everybody pretty much ignored it. The Subject line says it all. That IS the answer. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: giganews
km wrote: facts: 1 i am not the primary user 2 jody crowley is 3 she never uses this account 4 i need newsgroup access, i am deaf 5 can anything be done k Hearing aids? No, no... really, just kidding. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Get Info discrepancy
Rufus wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/23/11 7:20 PM, Keith Whaley wrote: I have what I thought was SM 1.1.13 in my applications folder. I select Get Info from the Finder, and it says it's v.1.1.13. But, if I double click on it and open it, and I choose SeaMonkey/About SeaMonkey, the revision says it's 1.1.14. Why is this? Has anyone else run across that? keith whaley You posted using SM 2.0.14. Yes, I did. I didn't have a choice. I don't know what you mean by Finder or Get Info. Are those Mac features? Yessir. What else from a Mac guy? That means you're probably a PC guy. Macs have a couple ways to determine what release version an app is. One is Finder/File/Get Info. The other is to select the app to open it, and when it opens choose the menu bar's About Firefox or About SeaMonkey and you'll get the release info. In any case, you should update to SM 2.0.14, which will soon be replaced by SM 2.1. Not bloody likely, as with MY setup, that version breaks Widgets. I really don't like that. Why do you guys keep insisting I move up to a version that is less perfect than the version that preceded it? 2.0.14 IS less than problem free. Especially in areas of what I use frequently. No thanks. keith That will/would be a deal breaker for me as well - I live on Widgets. If 2.0.14 is the end of days, then I guess I'll just have to live that way or start using Safari/Thunderbird in combination. Assuming that what David said is indeed the case, the Mac version of SM I have in in fact 2.0.13 and it only SAYs it's 2.0.14 under the About SeaMonkey icon. I believe what David said above, because I had downloaded and used 2.0.14 directly, and Widgets WAS demonstrably broken. So this one that shows the duplicious identity really IS 2.0.13, and it works just fine for me, Widgets and all. Clean and crisp. :-) Best to one and all... keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM Get Info discrepancy
I have what I thought was SM 1.1.13 in my applications folder. I select Get Info from the Finder, and it says it's v.1.1.13. But, if I double click on it and open it, and I choose SeaMonkey/About SeaMonkey, the revision says it's 1.1.14. Why is this? Has anyone else run across that? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
access Mozilla SeaMonkey aite
For some reason, I cannot access the seamonkey site, by way of the throbber, nor can I by Google, typing in www.mozilla.seamonkey - or any other permutations of the above. Can anyone help me? I want to download a version of SM. The one I now have is misnamed. (Long story). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Get Info discrepancy
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/23/11 7:20 PM, Keith Whaley wrote: I have what I thought was SM 1.1.13 in my applications folder. I select Get Info from the Finder, and it says it's v.1.1.13. But, if I double click on it and open it, and I choose SeaMonkey/About SeaMonkey, the revision says it's 1.1.14. Why is this? Has anyone else run across that? keith whaley You posted using SM 2.0.14. Yes, I did. I didn't have a choice. I don't know what you mean by Finder or Get Info. Are those Mac features? Yessir. What else from a Mac guy? That means you're probably a PC guy. Macs have a couple ways to determine what release version an app is. One is Finder/File/Get Info. The other is to select the app to open it, and when it opens choose the menu bar's About Firefox or About SeaMonkey and you'll get the release info. In any case, you should update to SM 2.0.14, which will soon be replaced by SM 2.1. Not bloody likely, as with MY setup, that version breaks Widgets. I really don't like that. Why do you guys keep insisting I move up to a version that is less perfect than the version that preceded it? 2.0.14 IS less than problem free. Especially in areas of what I use frequently. No thanks. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Widgets glitch?
Mac OS 10.6.7, SM 2.0.14 I opened my Widgets overlay, typed a search word in the Google widget, and instead of a selection of internet links to review, a window appeared that said: 'Close SeaMonkey A copy of SeaMonkey is already open. Only one copy of SeaMonkey can be open at one time. What? I tried clicking on (accessing) other Widgets, and the same window appears. I'm wondering if this is a new problem with SM 2.0.14, which I just downloaded last night. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Password manager
Since moving from SM 1.1.18 to SM 2.0.13, I find my password manager only remembers (lists) two from those over 25 saved. Where may I find the other 23+ and how may I access them from my menu bar in 2.0.13? Thanks, keith whaley Mac OS 10.6.7 SM 2.0.13 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What is the Outbox folder used for? It's not obvious.
It's in Local Folders. 'Help' doesn't. keith whaley Mac OS 10.6.7 SM 2.0.13 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Password manager
Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-05-21 11:01 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Since moving from SM 1.1.18 to SM 2.0.13, I find my password manager only remembers (lists) two from those over 25 saved. Where may I find the other 23+ and how may I access them from my menu bar in 2.0.13? If I remember correctly, that was a display issue when changing formats. Delete just one entry, and that should update the display. Really? If so, I never noticed it...was that fixed in 2.0.14 then? I have 40+ stored entries and they all display in SM 2.0.14 - there is a scroll bar, or I can drag/expand the window to see them all at once. Great! When upgrading to 2.0.14, I was moving all the way up from 2.0.13, so it probably wasn't the big jump, but... it worked well in .13, did NOT work in .14. I'd sure like a way to restore them. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Password manager
Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-05-21 11:01 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Since moving from SM 1.1.18 to SM 2.0.13, I find my password manager only remembers (lists) two from those over 25 saved. Where may I find the other 23+ and how may I access them from my menu bar in 2.0.13? If I remember correctly, that was a display issue when changing formats. Delete just one entry, and that should update the display. Really? If so, I never noticed it...was that fixed in 2.0.14 then? No. It worked in .13 and did NOT work in .14, so it appears to have been introduced in .14. But, that's only cause and effect reasoning. I have 40+ stored entries and they all display in SM 2.0.14 - there is a scroll bar, or I can drag/expand the window to see them all at once. I had no scroll bar for either direction, and only two entries. Nothing to expand into. Nothing hidden. Just no further entries. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...
I have a Mac, with OS 10.6.7, use SM v. 1.1.18 for communicating and a little internet visiting. Up until yesterday, that is. I fell for an offer to use a pop-up 3rd party Mac cleaner-upperer and it screwed up my slow but still working SM 1.1.18. In the process, it 'cleaned up' stuff from my SM folder(s) that were essential to proper operation. For instance, If I'm in Mail Newsgroups, I cannot access Navigator from menu bar's Window/Navigator. When pressed, the Navigator button does nothing. It's not hooked up. However, if I press Apple/Restart, I get a small window that says: Reference Error: inforssHeadline Display is not defined. I click on that warning window's Restart and the Mail window appears. It's obvious some thing critical had been removed/deleted and it crippled my SM. I happen to LIKE SM 1.1.18, and would like to keep it for a while. I have SM v. 2.0.13 on tap, and have used it, but...I'd like to stay with my older version for a while. Should I choose to go to 1.1.19, is there a way I can UPGRADE my 1.1.18, instead of downloading the full version and setting it up as tho' it was totally new to me, which means I'd have to find ways to move a lot of messages, bookmarks, etc., etc over. The only choice I see at the moment is to bite the bullet, download the big version and pretend I've never had a SM to use. Note: I DO have a month old copy of SM 1.1.18 on a Time Machine backup. I suppose that would be acceptable, but having never done it, I don't know how complicated that might be, getting it to REPLACE the old version... Should I call the Mac Geek Squad instead? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Send link feature in SM2.0.x
Question: Thruout the following post, URL is repeatedly shown as 'URI' or some such. The L in URL stands for Locator, and I'm wondering why all acronyms in here show up as 'URI', even in the RFC quote. keith whaley David E. Ross wrote: On 4/2/11 5:24 AM, Ant wrote: On 4/2/2011 2:08 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: What's the reasons for and ? They don't make sense to me. What's wrong without them since most programs convert http to links just fine? The use of and to delimit URIs is per Appexdix C of RFC 3986. The delimiters serve human purposes, not software. As indicated in another reply in this thread, they provide for URIs that wrap from one line to another and yet remain understandable by human eyes. (I get E-mail messages with URIs that wrap to 3-4 lines.) To quote the RFC: URIs are often transmitted through formats that do not provide a clear context for their interpretation. For example, there are many occasions when a URI is included in plain text; examples include text sent in email, USENET news, and on printed paper. In such cases, it is important to be able to delimit the URI from the rest of the text, and in particular from punctuation marks that might be mistaken for part of the URI. Also while blank spaces are not supposed to appear in a URI, I do see such URIs. Delimiters help humans to see that the first blank space does not end such URIs. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
I want to upgrade to 2.0xxx
I’m on a stable SM 1.1.18 for the Mac now. Is there a recommended way to go directly to the latest v.2.0.10? Or, must I DO it in stages? What should I remove first, if anything? Many thanks, keith whaley Mac OS 10.6.4 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to limit number of Seamonkey instances?
u...@domain.invalid wrote: Why aren't you asking in a Seamonkey forum? Richard Lane rql...@ieee.org wrote in message news:i8bv1q0...@enews6.newsguy.com... Is it possible to limit the number of instances of Seamonkey 1.1.17 browser that can be opened? My girlfriend often has 25 open then complains of slow response. Dick u...@domain.invalid (whoever THAT is) wrote: Why aren't you asking in a Seamonkey forum? This post question WAS addressed to newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey as well as the support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org list, so I don‘t understand what you‘re asking, invalid user... keith whaley Richard Lane rql...@ieee.org wrote in message news:i8bv1q0...@enews6.newsguy.com... Is it possible to limit the number of instances of Seamonkey 1.1.17 browser that can be opened? My girlfriend often has 25 open then complains of slow response. Dick ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.8 question
Leonidas Jones wrote: Keith Whaley keit...@dslextreme.com wrote: I use SM 1.1.18 for the Mac. Is the translation to SM 2.0.8 as simple as downloading it and installing it? Have the makers and providers provided for as simple an installation as that, or ... heaven forbid .. one must effect the move in stages and with attendant file manipulations. ? Thanks for any insight. Id like to make the move, but at MY advanced age I‘m not all that swift anymore, and usually opt for the simpler way forward. keith whaley Before any answer, what version of the OS are you running? SeaMonkey 2.x will not run on Panther, for example. Lee Mac OS 10.6.4. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0.8 question
I use SM 1.1.18 for the Mac. Is the translation to SM 2.0.8 as simple as downloading it and installing it? Have the makers and providers provided for as simple an installation as that, or ... heaven’s forbid ... one must effect the move in stages and with attendant file manipulations. ? Thanks for any insight. I’d like to make the move, but at MY advanced age :-) I’m not all that swift anymore, and usually opt for the simpler way forward. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What Command Line Option for SeaMonkey to load mail also?
Keith Whaley wrote: DoctorBill wrote: What is the command line option can I put in my Desktop Icon such that SeaMonkey Browser AND Mail load up ? Right now I have to click the Mail Icon after the Browser loads up. DoctorBill If I’m in Mail Newsgroups, I get to the Browser by clicking WindowNavigator. The converse is true. Why would you want both loaded at once? You can’t get them to display simultaneously, nor would you want to... So, I guess I don’t really understand your question. I guess you should define “Load Up.” keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: URL links not active?
Beverly Howard wrote: keith whaley wrote: I have noticed that on occasion URL addresses that appear in list or newsgroup messages, that start with http:// do not show up as an active link. In other words, they do not appear/display in my posted message underlined, of a different color, and are NOT clickable. What is the message window for this group's view message body as set to? Assuming it's set to one of the two html options, set it to plain text and see if the link activates. Best advice I've received yet. In other words, that works. Problem solved. I suspect that since most messages here are in plain text and their urls convert to links, but that the messages that show this behavior are in html format and have only the link text and no associated link created for the text. Beverly Howard I have a couple posters who ALWAYS send links that aren't links. On reflection, I'm almost certain they also always send in html. That will be proof of the pudding, and an easy way to retrieve the info they want me to see... Many thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Help?
d...@kd4e.com wrote: Keith, Your posts are making it here fine, go ahead and ask your question, please? If you are not seeing your posts, check your Junk folder. HTH ... Okay, thanks Doc but...I wasn't personally having any problems, I was referring to the valid lament Harold Robbins posted on 8/12, which is copied below. When NoOp's answer to Harold was that if he was not seeing messages he posted actually show up, he should send his inquiry to the newsgroup INSTEAD, I merely asked the next most logical question. I still ask: why instead? Why isn't sending any SeaMonkey help questions to the support-seamonkey Yahoo list adequate? keith NoOp wrote: On 08/12/2010 06:32 PM, Harold Robbins wrote: I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get replies. WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ? Use the newsgroups instead: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey -- Harold Robbins Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @ support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org ...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate SM questions? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Help?
NoOp wrote: On 08/12/2010 06:32 PM, Harold Robbins wrote: I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get replies. WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ? Use the newsgroups instead: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey -- Harold Robbins Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @ support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org ...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate SM questions? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
URL links not active?
I have noticed that on occasion URL addresses that appear in list or newsgroup messages, that start with http:// do not show up as an active link. In other words, they do not appear/display in my posted message underlined, of a different color, and are NOT clickable. It doesn’t seem to be limited to URLs that are inserted in other folks’ messages or whether I had inserted them in my messages. So far, I haven’t discovered a commonality between active and non-active links. Why might that be? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM preferences not obeying...
I have set my SM 1.1.18 (Mac) preferences to only display fonts in character encoding Unicode (UTF-8). Instead, it still insists on frequently moving over to Western (ISO-8859-1), which doesn’t handle punctuation correctly. Does anyone know why the user settings are ignored? I‘ve tried restarting, rebooting, etc. Doesn’t seem to help. Thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Time Machine questions
I find a need to access a lot of missing emails from a few months back. I regularly bsck up my HD from my iMac to an external Maxtor drive, using SuperDuper! and Time Machine. Time machine seems cumbersome, in that that fancy-schmancy active splash screen obscures any accessible menu item where I might command it to retrieve data from older backups. All of which means I haven’t learned how to use it yet... Be that as it may, do older SM messages still reside inside some folder on those backups, so I can access, read and transfer them back to my current SM folder? In other words, how can I find and restore older Inbox messages from a few months ago? Or can’t I? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
disappearing messages
SM 1.1.18 Mac OS 10.6.4 I have a number of messages in 14 topically-named folders, sub to Inbox. This morning I opened SM and one of those folders had perhaps 180 messages that have disappeared in the last day or so. It now has only 10 messages, where it had in excess of 180 before today. Those messages are not in Trash. Is there any way I can refresh the folder content, and have them reappear? It seems some of the other folders have fewer total messages as well. Please advise what might have happened and how to restore folder content, if possible. Thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Odd message window happenings...
SeaMonkey 1.1.18, Mac OS 10.6.3. In the process of selecting and reading any list messages, if I move the mouse cursor, and click the mouse to reposition the mouse cursor in some other location in that window or any place else, the colored highlighting on the Subject title line disappears and simultaneously the body of all listed and threaded messages resets to showing the chronologically first block of messages in the window (said another way, that window’s right hand sliding bar moves all the way upward). The address of where he displayed message is located is lost, and I have to remind it where it came from... Nothing happens to the message window I'm currently reading, but in order to delete or otherwise manipulate that message, I now have to go back locate the message‘s title in the list, RE-highlight it by clicking on it, and THEN delete it. This just started happening a few weeks ago. I can’t connect it happening with anything I might have done at the time. Any thoughts? Thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MASTER PASSWORD OVER KILL !
JOLAN1 wrote: Aloha! There is something very wrong with SeaMonkey 2.04, or my installation is somehow badly screwed up! Initially, it asked for our Master Password at logon, which I disabled in about:config. But... subsequently, it asks for the Master Password when: downloading e- mail, accessing any one of our credit accounts, accessing banking accounts, making auto payments, paying for our internet service, on and on, even wants a Master Password to get on MozzilaZine !!! Real bother and we're using Master Password so often...might as well not have one. This past week, we had to hire a temporary book keeper because ours was out sick. The first day we had to be out of the office; came back to find one very frustrated woman! She couldn't access anything she need to on the internet because she didn't have the Master Password. Cost me $$ for the day -- upsetting, to say the least. All our accounts are user name/password protected. Adding the Master Password is overkill, useless and absurd. I've told everyone to uninstall 2.04 and put 1.18 back on until we can get some fix for this. Is there any way to disable all these requests for a Master Password ??? Interesting... I downloaded the first off version of 2.x back when it was only a few days old. Your experience mirrors what I found, and essentially everybody passes that off as ‘not a problem.’ Well, I thought it WAS a problem, so I promptly dumped SM 2.x and want back to 1.1.18, where I am now. I swore I would not return to any SM 2.x version until someone fixed that nasty annoyance. It seems that so far they haven’t... Thanks for the heads up, keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: third mouse button (the wheel button)
In mozilla.support.seamonkey, S. Beaulieu wrote: Alexandru Bledea a �crit : how can i reset the function of the 3rd mouse button, i don't want it to refresh the page when i click on a tab, nor do i want it to open a new window when i click on a link with it i want it to close the tab when you third mouse it and open a link in a new tab not a new window Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Mouse S. My SM (1.1.18 for Mac) doesn’t HAVE any Preferences item. The SeaMonkey drop-down menu does, tho’. What are YOU looking at that displays: Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Mouse? BTW, I have no “Mouse” item either. I only have a “Mouse Wheel.” Is that what you meant? keith whaley Mac OS 10.6.3 SM 1.1.18 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Moving email folders out of SM...
I am working with SM 1.1.18, and Mac OS 10.6.3. My email and newsgroup ISP is DSLExtreme.com, which has contracted with Google to handle all their email activities. I’m now using GMail, whether I want to or not. I have just run across Google’s 7 GB limits on stored messages, emails, etc. I have a few folders in SM with saved emails going back a few years. I want to keep a few of them, which means moving the folders OUT of SM‘s Home Account. I can’t find a way to do that. They won’t click-slide out of the Home Account folder to the desktop. There is no choice offered me when I Control-Click my mouse button. Who knows how I might move any of those individual folders out of the Home Account? Thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 1.1.18 stripping attachments?
I use a Mac OS 10.6.2 and SM 1.1.18 for my email client. I've had occasion recently to receive short emails from a friend, with one or two jpegs attached. I wanted the entire message, with attachments, in a different folder, so I used _Control/Click/Move To_ to move the email. I looked in the new location, and there were NO JPEG containing messages in that folder at all! What happened to it/them? I looked in Trash, no jpegs. That incoming message is GONE! I've had this happen several times now, and haven't a clue as to what has happened, but I've LOST some important jpegs! Advice/help please? (The Subject line is just a guess.) keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
John Boyle wrote: [...] All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display! John, do you really have to yell all the time? That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps are annoying! keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: [...] All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display! John, do you really have to yell all the time? That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps are annoying! keith whaley To Keith , Leonidas ,et al: I do apologize for the CAPS in my messages... Okay, you're forgiven! g but when I am shocked by attitudes of people who should know better, I will sound off! If you notice, though, I do not use cuss words! Duly noted! Thanks. I have been trying to get the Developers and others to recognize that USERS are NOT Developers, in the main, yet that seems to be the exact reason they are shut off! I was totally shocked, again, when I found out through the newsgroup and support list, that the Developers were deliberately going to make it even harder to migrate information from one very stable version to an even newer update of their version 2.0. Why is it only one person really tried to give me step by step instructions on how to migrate from 1.1.18 to 2.0, for instance? No idea! I followed one persons advice, after reassurances it would not damage the older version, and installed 2.0 in its own location, then managed to migrate my bookmarks without any problems, but cannot get the addressbooks nor newsgroups to migrate worth beans, yet that individual who just killfiled me could not recognize he only half stepped in his help to me! Please forward this to him, letting him know I apologize for upsetting statements, but when you are an obviously unwanted low-life USER, like me, you have to expect frustration, especially if that low-life USER also has a Heart problems, and also cannot even breathe properly, all the time! I just have no time for those who have no respect for their fellow man, unless that fellow man is kissing their feet! Bet you thought I was going to say something else, ha ha. :-\ Oh no! You don't swear, so I expected 'feet'. g You're right. Some folks do not know how to comport themselves in public. Sad... However, try to reduce your anxiety and frustration...that might help your breathing and shortness of breath. I pretty much agree with you, tho' Do take care of your health, and try to not get so excited! We'll take them on and berate their ill-advised comments, as best we can. Later, keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Inbox oddities...
I'm working with Mac OS 10.6.2, and SM 1.1.18. In the last several days, my _Inbox_ shows message count discrepancies with what the upper left folder window indicates (say 15 messages unread, and 2484 total messages) and what actually shows up in the main message window, when I select to display only unread messages, is perhaps 5 unread messages and 828 messages total!) If I shut down Inbox and Home Account, then SeaMonkey, and after 10 seconds or so, reopen each folder, my messages revert to actual ~ 5 and 828. Soon, it reverts (as I move from folder to folder, and visit URLs on the 'net, then return to Inbox. It's never done this before. No, I have no idea what I might have recently done, or downloaded that might have interfered with smooth operations of SM. I have opened Disk Utility App. and repaired Disk Permissions, to little avail. Who has an idea what I might try next? A literal map leading me to go delete the Inbox .msf file might work, I guess. Any help much appreciated. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Inbox messages history
Where do I find the inbox index (?) file? I have moved excess inbox messages to a separate folder (Old Inbox), and want to delete what shows up in my current Inbox. Make it empty, in other words. But, I forgot what the saved messages are (what suffix they carry (.msn?)) and where they're located. Thanks for all guidance. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
»Q« wrote: In news:mailman.669.1257778802.526.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org, Keith Whaley keit...@dslextreme.com wrote: »Q« wrote: In news:3iadnwfge7zk_grxnz2dnuvz_vsdn...@mozilla.org, James res07...@gte.net wrote: I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If you're receiving all the list e-mails, instead of just digests, simply replying should work fine without creating new threads. It doesn't. I don't receive digests, but daily input to my mailing list, and it does the same thing James has a problem with. My convoluted way of using the mailing list is no fun either, but it does not seem to create any changes to how the message is threaded, nor any change to the Subject line. I see no need for this annoyance, but it continues. The usual approach is to create a folder for list posts to be automatically put in, and to create a rule which changes the To header to the list address automatically whenever you reply to a post in that folder. Creating a message filter to put all Support-seamonkey... messages in is the easy part. All that does for me is NOT put those particular incoming messages in my Inbox, but intercepts the incoming and puts SM messages in the SM folder. Yes, that certainly is very convenient, and a great tip, but doesn't address the header mess. Some clients add a reply to list button in addition to the reply to sender button. I don't know if that's easy to do (or even possible) with SeaMonkey. I think the best I could do with SM 1.1.18 is to 'Send a Copy To'. I'm pretty sure that works after you have composed a message. I'm sure it will not 'reply to list'. I can't find a way to accomplish that on my current SM. Thanks for the words. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug:Dragging a link to addressbar simply appends it to existing URL.
Daniel wrote: Rex wrote: I like how one can select a text link on a page and drag it to the tab bar for it to open in a new tab- or drag an existing link to do the same. However when I try dragging a link to the address bar (to make it open in the current tab), it just gets appended there. Let's say I'm on www.example.com, and there's a link to www.anothersite.net When I drag the link to addressbar, the text there changes to: http://www.example.comhttp://www.anothersite.net This feature works fine in Firefox, I've used it several times there. Rex, why would you want to drag it to the address bar?? Why not just click on it?? (I know you say you can do it in FF, I'm just wondering why anybody would want to??) Daniel I'm not trying to be obstreperous here, but...I read Rex's question as What makes that URL change take place? keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
»Q« wrote: In news:3iadnwfge7zk_grxnz2dnuvz_vsdn...@mozilla.org, James res07...@gte.net wrote: I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If you're receiving all the list e-mails, instead of just digests, simply replying should work fine without creating new threads. It doesn't. I don't receive digests, but daily input to my mailing list, and it does the same thing James has a problem with. My convoluted way of using the mailing list is no fun either, but it does not seem to create any changes to how the message is threaded, nor any change to the Subject line. I see no need for this annoyance, but it continues. (You weren't actually creating new threads, but your replies were threaded under the digest posts, which most people don't have copies of.) If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Digests are mostly useful for people who want to keep up with what's going on in a list without actually participating. People who want to subscribe to the digests only but still reply to them should do what you did, changing the Subject, but also mention in the body that they're replying to digests so the regulars don't get bent out of shape. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
William Morrison wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: William Morrison wrote: James wrote: James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee . . And it is much appreciated. I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Incidentally, I always used reply on the mailing list just as I have here; that doesn't work on the mailing list. Thanks, James I know Reply All worked in the email client going through support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org but you had to remove the originating sender so they don't get double of what you send but don't know if it works the same in newsgroup so I'm sending this through newsgroup. If you get this from the newsgroup and as a direct email James and this threads correctly I would suggest using the Reply All. If not then your guess is as good as mine. It worked just fine that way, William, since you started from within the newsgroup. But since I can answer the support list messages from either the newsgroup OR the mailing list, and if I'm already IN the mailing list, why not answer it from there instead of exiting the mailing list and opening the newsgroup, to answer ONE message, and going back to the list? They both cover the very same words, so why is a mirror necessary? Better said, when one is in the mail list already, and selects 'Reply' why is the header set up to put the last individual poster to any thread in the To slot instead of the CC slot? Or, why send a personal copy to the last person to post to the group at all? What's the point? Put another way, why should I even belong to the newsgroup so long as support-seamon...@lists... exists? I get my messages at both places right now. If I dropped the newsgroup, but kept getting all the support- messages by way of the mail list, I don't NEED the newsgroup to communicate. All this discussion to avoid fixing the situation so that selecting Reply replies to the support group instead of one person (the last poster). Odd. keith whaley What you said is very true but as you can see or maybe can't see is that I am not responding to you thru the NG this time but using the list to do so and that your not going to get a direct mailing of it because I simply clicked on reply all and then deleted your address from the sending address bar. I'm not sure how the list is setup but know from experience with Yahoo Groups that this problem may not be a problem of SeaMonkey's but of Google's where the list, I believe, originates and a simple change in the settings of the reply to preference by the moderator of the list could repair. That's possible. I guess that first the oddity of the action of having a mail-list as well as a newsgroup mirroring each other's messages must be resolved. IOW, what does the newsgroup do that the email list couldn't, or doesn't already? Does eliminating one or the other harm the participants of either? How? I'm on over one hundred Groups on Yahoo and each has their settings different so I have to watch when replying to them if clicking reply just sends it to the posting member or back to the Group for distribution to all members. Right. So, considering that AT THE MOLMENT I get news messages in teh newsgroup as well as in the mail list, I'm going to quit/delete my connection to the newsgroup, and see whether I still get messages! If I still do, let's see what the header shows this time! Thanks for the post. Oh wait! I see that in THIS post's header, the newsgroup is NOT shown, but Google or Yahoo, whichever, manages to put YOUR name on top, and that's the person who gets any further answers, not the group at all! Support-seamonkey... does get listed as a CC, but, not in the header of my reply. My reply was ONLY addressed to you, personally! So everyone can see what's happening, I'll ADD support-seamonkey... to the header as CC, but as it was first delivered to me, to send back, it only had your (William's) name on the mail! There's STILL something screwed up, isn't
Re: Zooming Pictures
starrin wrote: [...] Perhaps you can tell me why any www page I load in to 2.0 is way too big, and I am forced to zoom to 50-75% in order for it to display. That would be acceptable, but the zoom is not enduring; I must redo it for each page. The prior version it replaced was not this way, nor is a similar install on another machine I have. TIA I can think of one possibility: Perhaps you or someone else changed your monitor resolution? I currently use 1024 X 768 (stretched). If I go to the finder's window menu bar and select the monitor image icon, then pick the next larger pixel size, 800 X 600 (stretched), I find nearly all the displays exceed the screen size. Changing to a numerically larger number of pixels should work. If you don't like it, you can switch back to what yoy had previously, instantly. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0
Jens Hatlak wrote: Arne wrote: You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? Contrary to MailNews, ChatZilla is an extension which just happens to come pre-installed with SeaMonkey 2. AFAIK you cannot opt-out during the installation (never used the installer) but afterwards you can simply uninstall (or just disable) it using the Add-on Manager. HTH Jens Does this Add-On Manager only occur in 2.0? I don't see it in 1.1.18. Thanks, keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Arne wrote: You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? Contrary to MailNews, ChatZilla is an extension which just happens to come pre-installed with SeaMonkey 2. AFAIK you cannot opt-out during the installation (never used the installer) but afterwards you can simply uninstall (or just disable) it using the Add-on Manager. Jens Does this Add-On Manager only occur in 2.0? I don't see it in 1.1.18. Thanks, keith Indeed, it is the single most important addition to SM 2.0. NOw it is simple to install, remove, and manage extensions and themes, a constant battle in the older versions. For me that makes it worth updgarding all by itself. Lee It sounds as tho' it might be indeed! I'll look forward to using it. AND getting rid of Chatzilla! g Many thanks, keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 - sensitive info storage?..
KaiRo - Robert Kaiser wrote: Keith Whaley schrieb: I have a feeling I might want to know a litle more detail about that last sentence. Would you kindly elaborate on ...we always encrypt, but default generate a key from an empty master password.? Not on personal mail, if you want a reply, please send a message to the newsgroup, I'm overburdened with mail and others might want to read the reply as well. Robert Kaiser Sorry, Robert. Sending you a personal reply was not my intention. This is virtually the only media group where I can't just hit Reply to add a amessage of my own to the group, but have to hit Reply All and then edit the To header. All other groups and lists I read send my response to the entire group, as they should. Not this one. Pressing Reply sends your response comment ONLY to the last person who posted to the list or group, as an individual. So, adding a response to a message I read is knee-jerk Reply, but that doesn't work with support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org. I have just done that with your message. Thanks for the reminder. -- keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Software security Master Password
Gabriele wrote: HilsB ha scritto: First thanks to all for a great upgrade to SM2. I agree :) [cut] Now at each startup of SM2 'Master password required for Software security device' - no other passwords required after registering 1.1.18's mail / newsgroup passwords. My question - how to stop SM2 startup 'Master Password Required' at each startup. The same here on OSX Tiger, it's a bit annoying. Gabriele It's just as annoying on Snow Leopard, trust me! WHAT Software Security Device? Didn't have one before, don't want one now. Baloney. I've gone back to 1.1.18 and unless and until they change that or come up with a solution, I'm staying right there. An additional complaint: moving to 2.0 didn't bring all my mail folder contents over with it. Roughly 1/3 showed up. All the folders did, but not all the content. I didn't bother to check out the browser side of things; no need at that point. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Software security Master Password
Phillip Jones wrote: Gabriele wrote: Now at each startup of SM2 'Master password required for Software security device' - no other passwords required after registering 1.1.18's mail / newsgroup passwords. My question - how to stop SM2 startup 'Master Password Required' at each startup. The same here on OSX Tiger, it's a bit annoying. Gabriele for Mac only: SeaMonkey Menu Preferences Privacy Security Master password choose The first time its needed. I have a Mac, run OS 10.6.1, and don't want nor need a password, so I opted to NOT select a password. Now what? I just checked my Preferences on 1.1.18, and I must have set one, a long time ago, as that radio button has a dot in it, but all this time I've never been asked to deal with any Software Security Device. Must be new with 2.0. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with imported e-mail profile Seamonkey 2.0
Broadback wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Your comment is useful as a better way to work around the problem, but if others have seen (or not) this behavior info would be useful. I have gone back to 1.1.8 because it keeps asking for my password when attempting to send emails, even when it seems to have the correct one. On returning to 1.1.8 it all works perfectly. I am not conversant enough to start going into files. Precisely so. That's most annoying. I'm back using my 1.1.18, too... keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password. All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18. Well,I use the Password Manager quite frequently, and I have never set up a Master Password. Password Manager works just fine without it. ...interesting...I've never used Password Manager without a Master Password. Without a Master, I'd think anyone that opened your browser could launch the Password Manager and read all of your passwords. Not a very secure way to operate, IMO... I submit that not all users NEED a Master Password for ordinary password protection. My computer is not accessible to anyone but my wife and I, and it's as safe as the lock on my front door! SM 1.1.18 has been great all this time, but my brand new 2.0 is a PITA. It didn't transfer all my messages over in the mail client. All messages stop in late July of '09. I had a LOT more than that, but right now they're missing. The annoyance of missing THREE month's messages overcomes my being able to enjoy the newness of 2.0. So, I'm back using 1.1.18 instead... keith whaley mid-'07 iMac OS 10.6.1 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Hell, that was a joke! Am I the only person in the world who uses some humor in blog posts now and then? It would seem that you poorly communicated that it was a joke, as asmpgmr isn't the only one who thought you were being serious. Two things: Readers can't see your facial features, so smiles are invisible, and raised eyebrows are invisible, and widened eyes are invisible... That's precisely why many folks use smileys, but others look on their use with disdain. Secondly, many folks depend on body language, including facial features, to pick the humor out of humorous sarcasm, and just plain miss it! It is most difficult to portray nuances in person-to-person communication that is only written, so you have to let your language do it FOR you! So, in all fairness to Robert K, who ordinarily does a most excellent job at communicating his intent, I really wouldn't call it poorly communicated but incompletely communicated. And most of us are guilty of that lapse on occasion! keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Robert Kaiser wrote: asmpgmr wrote: Well the tiny round buttons aren't good. I've never seen any app have buttons like that, it needs normal buttons. Also what do you perceive as wrong with the 1.x design ? It looks perfectly fine to me. People who don't like dialogs can use the download manager and that's great, there's a choice. Why make the dialog unusable to those who prefer dialogs ? The tiny round buttons are IMHO one of the better designs in that progress window. It's no dialog anyhow, it's a progess window. But perhaps we should have just remove them altogether, would have saved me lots of work and us all lots of discussions. Robert Kaiser I like tiny round buttons, but...what to do when you run across a button icon that does not display a text description when you pass your mouse cursor over it? Is there a toggle for that action somewhere? Every window that displays, at least in Mail Newsgroups AND in Navigator, has a title bar (my name for it) with the name of the window you're looking at, the omnipresent oval button far right, and the three little round buttons far left, with X, - and + inside them. Obviously the X closes the window, the - seems to minimize the window and zoom it into the Dock, and what does the + window do? On mine, pressing plus moves the current window to the top left of the available screen space. What's that all about? Since I have no owner's manual for my SM 1.1.18, and particularly in the absence of the drop-down textual identity windows I mentioned above, I have to _guess_ what the actions are for... I tried looking thru Help, but finally gave up finding anything about them. They don't seem to HAVE a name. So, would it be too much trouble to add drop-down mouse-over I.D. windows for each icon? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 1.1.18 -- How to: NOT download messages on server first time in.
jim wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:55:35 -0400, jim j...@earthlink.com in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: Seamonkey 1.1.18 -- How to: NOT download messages on server first time in Win Xp SP2 Seamonkey 1.1.18 Obviously this is a simple setting -- somewhere. I did not find it. Where do you tell Seamonkey to NOT download current server email inbox for your account when Seamonkey 1.1.18 is booted? Thanks, jim Try this: Go to: Edit/Mail newsgroup Account settings/home account/Server settings/ UN-click Automatically download new messages. I think that will work for you... keith whaley Mac OS 10.6.1 SM 1.1.18 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 1.1.18 -- How to: NOT download messages on server first time in.
jim wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:55:35 -0400, jim j...@earthlink.com in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: Seamonkey 1.1.18 -- How to: NOT download messages on server first time in Win Xp SP2 Seamonkey 1.1.18 Obviously this is a simple setting -- somewhere. I did not find it. Where do you tell Seamonkey to NOT download current server email inbox for your account when Seamonkey 1.1.18 is booted? Thanks, jim Too often the answer to a question comes to me just after i have written it down and sent it. There must be something in the act of explanation and asking that spurs me. (Server settings of mail newsgroups account) However, that is not always the case. :-) jim That supports my long-held contention that to really learn a subject in more depth, try to teach it or explain it to someone! Absolutely so! You will gain a greater understanding of whatever it is you try to explain to someone. Good point. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM RC2 Build 3 Win location
David Wilkinson wrote: INFO WG wrote: Atten: Robert Kasiser Robert, the latest SM RC2 Build 3 that is the Build we need to be Windows testing, that is the 13MB file at: Index of /pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0rc2-candidates/build3/update/win32/en-US http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0rc2-candidates/build3/win32/en-US/SeaMonkey%20Setup%202.0%20RC%202.exe ?? INFO WG: No offense, but this habit of routinely replying to posts and changing the subject line is very disruptive, because it causes SM1 (and I think all Mozilla news-readers) to lose the threading. Maybe you don't use the threaded view, but most/many people do. I have been using SM for a long time now, the Mac version, and I have no problems with threading. If anyone changes the Subject line on an existing message, the 'new' message will appear in the same thread in which it originated, without regard to what the Subject line is. The word 'routinely' gives me pause, however, because if someone wants to change the topic entirely, they ought to post a new message. It's not all that difficult. keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Russell wrote: Perhaps someone will jump in with an easy fix. I do hope the final release offers the same install flexibility as did the previous versions. SeaMonkey 2.x will not allow installing without the mailnews component. Robert Kaiser FWIW, I don't think it should! Why have a suite if you only want to use half of it? There are rational alternatives... keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Windows 'snap-to' problem - repeat posting
I originally sent this post on 9/6/09, at 8:22 AM, and as far as I know, it has never shown up on this support list, so I'm sending it again. Apologies if I'm the only one that didn't get a copy, and you've all seen it. I'll risk that this one time... Thanks, keith whaley original message** A while back, I started a small discussion here about an oddity I was experiencing with my Finder's desktop. To begin with, I use the Snow Leopard OS, v. 10.6.1. My mail/news client is Mozilla SeaMonkey 1.1.18. My problem is, _sometimes_ when I have some window on top, mostly filling the screen, and I try to move it aside a little, by click-and-drag on the window's uppermost bar, to see what's underneath, and release the mouse cursor after moving the top window aside, that window snaps back to where it was originally. In other words, I cannot move the window and expect it to STAY where I put it! Yes, I know I can press my mouse's scroll ball, to reveal what windows I have open, but in this instance, I wanted to view the window full size. Pressing the mouse button reduces the size of all windows, to be able to display all of them. I didn't want that. To briefly recap, the last time this happened someone on this list suggested I go to the SM menu bar item Window/Zoom. That does indeed jostle the top window, and when I first tried that technique, it freed the window's rubbery attachment to the screen, and I thought I had that problem solved for all time. Nope. That just happened again, so I tried Zoom. It jostled the window, but the 'rubber band' effect keeps pulling that window to it's original position on the screen. So, that's not a solution to the problem... I can't tell you WHAT window I had up, nor what led up to my wanting to take a look at the other windows, but I sure would like to know what's going on! BTW, I was in the mail/newsgroups side of SeaMonkey when this happened, not in Navigator. This snapping back to a previous position is a big annoyance to me, and I'd like to know how to get out of it when it happens. Thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows 'snap-to' problem - repeat posting
Keith Whaley wrote: I originally sent this post on 9/6/09, at 8:22 AM... That is an error. The date was 0/26/09, NOT 9/6. Thanks, keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows 'snap-to' problem - repeat posting
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: I originally sent this post on 9/6/09, at 8:22 AM... That is an error. The date was 0/26/09, NOT 9/6/09. Thanks, keith As a linguist I'm always on the lookout for new vocabulary. Would you be so kind as to explain which month is zero? Uhhh, one of the binary months? Hah! It took a linguist to point out that when I'm mostly asleep, my fingers don't fit in place on the keyboard exactly as they should! 9/26/09 is correct, I just neglected to proof my own typing. Sighhh. I was tempted to say, Just wanted to see if anyone really reads these messages. But I thought it better to just admit a failure to function efficiently in the wee hours. Thanks! keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ribbon for SeaMonkey?
David Wilkinson wrote: Rumor has it http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138395/Mozilla_plans_to_ribbonize_Firefox that FireFox will adopt a ribbon interface on Vista and Windows 7. Is this going to happen for SeaMonkey also? I went to the above site, and there are no illustrations that depict just what the heck they're talking about! Where can I go to see an example of ribbonizing in action? keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unread message count...
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: I recently changed to SM 1.1.18, and in my left hand window, where the various account folders are displayed, I had folder name, Total messages and Unread messages laid out such as: Folder Title Unread Total Inbox33566 All of a sudden, I have: Folder Title Total Inbox(33) 566 - where the current unread message count is up against the folder title, in parentheses. That scheme is still readable, and I've no objections to the change, except, why DID it change? I've been operating SM 1.1.18 since the day it was released, and now a month later, it decides to display things differently, seemingly arbitrarily. At the top of the column where your folders are listed, you may notice the column heading Name, and to the right of that a little icon. If you click the icon, you can toggle on/off the columns Unread, Total, and Size. If you enable Unread, you'll get the old-style numbers in their own column. So the answer is that somewhere along the way I had inadvertently toggled that icon. Amazingly simple. Thanks for that, Paul keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey slowdown
Richard Owlett wrote: Lee wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: You're not alone in that experience. SM 1.1.17 wasn't like that. On the other hand, I have just moved to Mac OS 10.6.1, so I don't know if there might be some minor incompatability thing going on.I suppose in time that will be addressed... As a slight (but related?) aside Firefox 3.5.2 is displaying web site window glitches it never displayed before, too... Hi Keith Thanks for the feedback, I will assume that the minor problem will be rectified in future versions. BTW I am running Vista on my machine so it is doing it on 2 different OS. I can live with it but it is frustrating to have to wait on each item in a newsgroup even though it is not very long and when you are used to it being speedy the slowdown is noticeable. Funny how things have changed and we now a days are so impatient!~ Lee (in Florida) And I remember fast being 300 Baud, high speed paper tape, and memory with micro-second cycle time ;) As do I. In fact, when I got a setup capable of 9600 baud, I even took out a new address: keith9...@...! That was FLYING! :-D keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey slowdown
Lee wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: And I remember fast being 300 Baud, high speed paper tape, and memory with micro-second cycle time ;) I remember $200 for a 200 meg HD for my Amgia! Lee (in Florida) Aha! You see, had you ordered one for your Amiga, it would have cost FAR less! :-D keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can you open the Mail Client instead of the Browser first?
mozdev wrote: Is this possible via Key Commands or prompts? It is in SM 1.1.18: SM/Preferences/Appearance. Checkmark When SM starts up, open Mail Newsgroups. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey mac's new Snow Leopard OS
KristinJ wrote: On Aug 30, 7:16 pm, Keith Whaley keit...@dslextreme.com wrote: KristinJ wrote: I use SeaMonkey 1.1.17 on a MacBook Air with OSX 10.5.8. I want to upgrade to Snow Leopard but am afraid that SeaMonkey wont work. Are there known compatibility issues? Thanks! :) With SeaMonkey? Seems not. See below. I have a late 2007 20 iMac, 2.0 GHz Intel C2D, OS 10.5.8, SeaMonkey 1.1.17. Installed Apple-supplied OS 10.6, right over my 10.5.8, and an hour later, all was well... SeaMonkey works like a champ! So does everything else! Any other questions, please ask. So far, all is well here in SL-land! keith Wow! that's great, Keith! I've read that users had a lot of problems with firefox so I just expected it would be even worse with SM, as there are fewer SM users (at least that's what I assume). I appreciate your feedback. So, did you install Snow Leopard and then reinstall SM 1.1.17 or did the new mac OS permit you to use your already installed SM version? Thanks! :) I didn't protect SeaMonkey in any way. Nor did I remove any of the previous OS. I backed up my internal HD first, then installed SL direct from the DVD Apple sent me. When SuperDuper! 2.6 finished backing up, I tried to boot from the external Backup Drive, as I've done in the past. I had originally intended to install SL on it, and use it instead of the internal drive for a while, to see how SL behaved. Sort of saving my iMac's internal drive just in case something weird happened. However, a warning screen showed up, saying I could not install SL on the Backup drive, because it doesn't use the GUID partition table scheme. This is something new to me... That threw me a bit, so with little other obvious choice I decided to install 10.6 on my internal drive, right smack on top of 10.5.8, and take a chance they'd get along without fighting! In sum, it installed very well, no glitches, and after the OS was installed, I started up my previously installed SeaMonkey 1.1.17 and it acted like nothing had happened at all! Good luck. I do like Snow Leopard so far. It's crisper acting, and I've had no problems at all. And, BTW, for those uaing the older MS Office 2004, I utilized Power Point yesterday to view an old photography .pps site, and it worked flawlessly! Under 10.5.8, PP had been a bit spastic and not always responding in the manner I expected. Yesterday, no problem at all. So far, so good! Today I'll open up Firefox 3.5.2 and see how IT gets along with SL! keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Site doesn't appear correct on SM 1.1.17
Phillip Jones wrote: Hello, it been a while I vowed never to come back to this forum except to ask a question. I remain true to my vow. I am asking a question I have a puzzle. examine this page with SM 1.1.17: http://villageelectronicsservice.com/VacationSchedule.aspx Now use: SM 2, FF3.0/3.5, Omniweb, Opera or iCab. In all of those All-in-ones and Web Browsers The page for me views as it should. In SM 1.1.17 after the side text is shown then the main text shows about an inch to inch and a half wide. On my SM 1.1.17, the body text shows up on the left side of the main body, as a 3/4 wide vertical strip. On the other hand, it renders perfectly in my FireFox v.3.5.2. using the w3c validator, typing the link above shows numerous items needing correction and several warning. yet the other applications appear to load correctly. If you go to any links other than vacation, the pages work even on SM1.1.17. Anyone have an explanation. Sorry. Can't offer any remedy or explanation, but can confirm what you have experienced... I look forward to FF 2.0, but use none of the others you mentioned... Nice to see you back again, even if it IS for a brief time... keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey mac's new Snow Leopard OS
William Greenwood whg...@att.net wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: KristinJ wrote: On Aug 30, 7:16 pm, Keith Whaley keit...@dslextreme.com wrote: [...] In sum, it installed very well, no glitches, and after the OS was installed, I started up my previously installed SeaMonkey 1.1.17 and it acted like nothing had happened at all! Good luck. I do like Snow Leopard so far. It's crisper acting, and I've had no problems at all. And, BTW, for those uaing the older MS Office 2004, I utilized Power Point yesterday to view an old photography .pps site, and it worked flawlessly! Under 10.5.8, PP had been a bit spastic and not always responding in the manner I expected. Yesterday, no problem at all. So far, so good! Today I'll open up Firefox 3.5.2 and see how IT gets along with SL! keith Keith, did you include the optional Rosetta as part of your SL install? Bill To answer your question 1st and THEN elaborate, no I didn't. I wasn't aware that Rosetta was an optional install. Nothing I read informed me of such. During installation, is SL supposed to or reported to offer you that choice? If so, I didn't see that option. I stayed near the monitor as SL was loading, but definitely didn't read every screen that showed up. If I was offered that option, it must have been for a short time, and proceeded without my intervention. So far, only two things of interest have happened during my SL installation and immediately subsequent: Right after installing SL, I tried to access my Canon printer, and all that showed up was my Brother fax/copy machine. A minute or two of dialog about looking for another printer driver was all it took. It (the OS?) immediately selected the appropriate Canon driver, and it all worked after that. Last glitch was, I turned on my Epson scanner and was told I couldn't scan with my setup (I paraphrase wildly!) Anyhow, I was asked if I wanted the system (?) to go get Rosetta and install it, preparatory to scanning. I said yes and it DID. Immediately! I was impressed. I proceeded to scan without any further annoyances. Subsequent to that, I've had no problems of any kind! Does that answer your question? keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey mac's new Snow Leopard OS
KristinJ wrote: I use SeaMonkey 1.1.17 on a MacBook Air with OSX 10.5.8. I want to upgrade to Snow Leopard but am afraid that SeaMonkey wont work. Are there known compatibility issues? Thanks! :) I have a late 2007 20 iMac, 2.0 Ghz, intel C2D, OS 10.5.8. SeaMonkey 1.1.17. Installed Apple-supplied OS 10.6.0, right over my 10.5.8, and an hour later, all was well... SeaMonkey works like a champ! So does everything else! Any other questions, pleae ask. So far, all is well here in SL-land! keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: print problem
Norvin wrote: Martin Feitag wrote: Norvin schrieb: Recently when I try to print an email and I hit 'print' and then I get the small screen asking how many copies, etc, I hit the 'OK' and it would print. Now for some reason (?) after I hit the 'print' I get the screen but it is in the lower right section of the email screen and the 'OK' button is not in sight and I have to raise the print screen to get to the ok button. Not a big problem for me but the wife is not understanding why it is not working like it use to, and I guess I am to. Any suggestions on how to move it back into the middle of the monitor to make life easier for my wife. Try to delete the file localstore.rdf in your profile*, SM will forget about all window-positions then. Rearrange all windows as needed afterwards. regards Martin * http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/ Martin, thank you very much for your suggestion on the file 'localstore.rdf'. I took your suggestion one step further. I found the file, did a 'edit/find' on print and found some instructions defining a 'X and Y' coordinate. I experimented with the numbers and I ended up with moving the print screen to the middle of my monitor. Yes, I did make a copy of the file before I edited. Thanks again, especially from my wife. Norvin Holy Mackerel! A user not only capable of understanding instructions, but able to think things thru under trying circumstances. Thanks for lifting encroaching despair, Norvin! There _are_ still those in our world worth guiding! g Good man! keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
