Re: HTML message display for RSS
Daniel wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Moz Champion (Dan): Why is HTML 'okay' in RSS but not in email or news? I view everything in HTML (always have) and have no problems. Do you see then the exactly under the 'okay'? ;) Hartmut No, its offset slightly when I read the message, in my reply it looks fine. Doesn't answer the question tho. If HTML is 'okay' in RSS, why not email or news? Dan, I choose to view my NG's in Plain Text. If you want to view them in HTML, that's fine, but I don't want the increased overheads of HTML as I pay by the byte for my downloads. I don't want to be forced to have the increased overheads. If RSS is ONLY available in HTML mode, I guess that is a reason why I will not use it! Your view may vary!! Daniel Well, in short you are paying for it anyway! When you download a message it is downloaded in whatever form it is, HMTL or plain text. It is only your display that selects what you see, after it is downloaded. So, if a message is sent in HTML, you are paying for it, regardless if you see the HTML or not. For example: If I sent this message in HTML, you would see it listed just like any other, if you choose to open it (to read it) the message is downloaded, HTML and all. Since you have your view set to plain text, only that component is displayed, the rest is suppressed. But it isn't saving you any download bytes at all. Even if I sent it in both (something I never do or encourage) HTML and plain text, when you download it, all the components are downloaded. If you choose (or have chosen via preferences) to view only plain text, then thats what you see, but the HTML components are still there, on your computer. With emails, the same applies. When you download it, you get the entire messages as it was sent, HTML and all. So, sorry to say, your penchant for reading only plain text is not, in reality, saving you any download bytes. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML message display for RSS
Hartmut Figge wrote: Moz Champion (Dan): So? Still does not explain or give any reasoning why HTML is not 'okay' in email or news. Well, i am not allowed to post in HTML to most of my newsservers. Hartmut 'not allowed'? By whom? Thunderbird defaults to 'all newservers' are plain text only records. i.e. if you try to post to one in HTML it will notify you of such, but you can still send in HTML. For email, you can mark recipients as preferring HTML, for newsgroup (new servers) you cannot, they are to Thunderbird plain text only. But you can post to any newsgroup in HTML, although it is not appreciated in most. If you send a newsgroup message in HTML , say on this server, Thunderbird will inform you that one or more of the recipients are marked as preferring plain text, and according to your preferences will do as indicated (I have mine set to Ask). But you can still send in HTML if you wish. If you wish to try it out, simply go to mozilla.test.multimedia (on this server) and post a message in HTML HTML messages are not appreciated in other groups, but they can still be sent. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML message display for RSS
Keith Whaley wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Why is HTML 'okay' in RSS but not in email or news? I view everything in HTML (always have) and have no problems. Because RSS feeds generally point to web pages, and mail or news accounts point to messages. So? Still does not explain or give any reasoning why HTML is not 'okay' in email or news. Many don't appreciate HTML in email or news, but that's simply personal taste, nothing more. I beg to differ with your 'nothing more' statement, sir. Staying with the html part of the discussion, html is disliked for email and news groups because of the excessive room it takes up, and the length of time it takes to download. This has been studied and discussed and picked apart and belabored over for years and years. The truth remains, there are STILL many folks who use dialup and not any of the much faster schemes such as dsl ~ and for these folks, they already labor to download 'normal' text, composed of ascii characters. It takes up a lot more room and elapsed time to receive html formatted documents. Especially for primarily content-laden messages, which get 99.5% of their point across using simple textual characters and NO formatting, why would anyone insist on loading up each message by insisting on html formatting, adding colors and fancy fonts, and symbols? No, it isn't quite as simple and innocuous as you would have us believe, Dan. keith whaley It takes too long? How would you know? You download it anyway. When you 'see' a message in a newsgroup, regardless if it is written in HTML or plain text, it is still listed in the subject pane. If you choose to read it, it will be downloaded HTML and all. So even if you don't read the HTML, you have already taken the time to download it anyway. Same with email. If you download a message, regardless if it is in HTML or not, you get the whole enchilada, not just the parts you want or will display. You get it all, warts and all, HTML and all. Again, if you don't want HTML thats your business, and choice. No complaints there. But in a newsgroup setting (or even an email one) if you want to read the messaage (in plain text or otherwise) you download it all, inclusive of the HTML parts. Yep, HTML can take lots more time and space than plain text, no quarrel there. And I never recommend sending HTML to some one who has not chosen to receive it or otherwise indicated it is 'okay' to them. But it is 'there' in the message as sent if some doofus decided to send it anyway, regardless if you like it or not. For example, all those email spam messages, many of which are written in HTML. They are downloaded to your computer before Junk Mail Controls take a look at them. Even if you have your prefererences set to plain text only, the HTML components are still downloaded, you simply never see them. And again, I was asking what's 'wrong' with HTML in email or news. Regardless if you like it or not, that wasn't the question. If some doofus sends a message in HTML and you either click on it (in a newsgroup) or take delivery of it (email) - you have already taken the time to download it, regardless if you wanted it or not. Again, I never indicated that it is proper or acceptable behaviour to send HTML if the recipient has not indicated a desire for it, but that is simply being polite. You have still not indicated what is 'wrong' with HTML (other than you don't like it) in email or news. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML message display for RSS
David Wilkinson wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: I have used Netscape/Mozilla Suite/SeaMonkey for many years, and for mail and newsgroups I always both display and compose messages in plain text. I absolutely refuse to have anything to do with HTML in mail or newsgroups. However, in SeaMonkey 2 we have RSS feeds in the mail/newsgroup part of SeaMonkey. Great! However, surely one will almost always want to view an RSS feed as HTML, and the setting for message display cannot be configured on a per server or per feed basis. The setting for message composition can be set on a per server basis, so why not the message display also? Am I missing something here? Is nobody else bothered by this? It always seemed odd to me that you could not configure the default message display type on a per server basis, but now that some of the servers are RSS feeds it is extremely inconvenient (unless you always use HTML in mail and news). Is it this way in Thunderbird also? Why is HTML 'okay' in RSS but not in email or news? I view everything in HTML (always have) and have no problems. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML message display for RSS
Hartmut Figge wrote: Moz Champion (Dan): Why is HTML 'okay' in RSS but not in email or news? I view everything in HTML (always have) and have no problems. Do you see then the exactly under the 'okay'? ;) Hartmut No, its offset slightly when I read the message, in my reply it looks fine. Doesn't answer the question tho. If HTML is 'okay' in RSS, why not email or news? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML message display for RSS
Hartmut Figge wrote: Hartmut Figge: Moz Champion (Dan): Why is HTML 'okay' in RSS but not in email or news? I view everything in HTML (always have) and have no problems. Do you see then the exactly under the 'okay'? ;) Well, i do. But in HTML messages i doubt it. Hartmut Nonsense It shows up here as well (this is sent in HTML) the offset is more pronounced (in my view) but that is simply an abstract of switching from fixed width fonts to varialble width ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML message display for RSS
David Wilkinson wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Why is HTML 'okay' in RSS but not in email or news? I view everything in HTML (always have) and have no problems. Because RSS feeds generally point to web pages, and mail or news accounts point to messages. So? Still does not explain or give any reasoning why HTML is not 'okay' in email or news. Many don't appreciate HTML in email or news, but that's simply personal taste, nothing more. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Off the subject: Where is Peter Potamus?
HeavyDuty wrote: For many years Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo has been a constant mainstay and very helpful, if sometimes cranky, contributor to this news group. Since April 29, he has not been part of the fray, as far as I can tell. Is he OK...Peter, are you OK? He posted yesterday in snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.test.multimedia multiple times in fact ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Mail performance problems
flyguy wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Bob Fleischer wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Bob Fleischer wrote: I have been running the latest releases of SeaMonkey (now 1.1.16) on what should be a rather hot system -- a Core 2 quad 3.0 GHz system running Vista Business 64-bit in 8 GB RAM.. SeaMonkey mail performance, especially anything moving messages between folders, is really slow (like several seconds to move a message). I've compressed folders and rebuilt indexes and no improvement. I'm using F-PROT anti-virus. CPU usage according to Task Manager is in the single-digit percentage range. I run SeaMonkey at home with larger folders on a much older system with better performance -- but it is Windows XP and different anti-virus. The system disk is defragmented frequently. What else do I check? Thanks, Bob Long shot, but try turning your anti-virus OFF completely and then moving messages... any improvement? Such a test can indicate if it is anti-virus program releated or not. You can disconnect from the internet when you make the test if you have a mind to although its not really neccessary. Well, turning off F-PROT's file system protection does indeed improve performance. Bob In that case I suggest leaving F-Prot off. It is not really protecting you fully in any case. An anti-virus program is only as good as its 'definintions' file is, and regardless of how often it is updated, that file lags behind reality. For example; the I Love You virus, which infected over 30 million users (biggest infestation in history) was checked by many with the latest and greatest AV programs, and came back 'clean'. NONE of the AV programs extant at the time could detect the virus until their definitions files were updated, and that took three to seven days for the AV programs to do. So, even with F-Prot running, and automatic updating, there is still a 3 to 7 day 'window' in which you are not protected against a 'new' virus. So how to protect yourself? Simple. Do NOT open email attachments (opening email is fine, just not the attachments ) If you MUST open an attachment Save it to disk for a week Update your AV program, check the file Open/run the attachment Do NOT open/run files from the web If yoiu MUST open/run files from the web Save it to disk for a week Update your AV program, check the file Open/run the file Use a firewall Using such a system allows you to run, and be fully protected against all malware, regardless of how new it is. The above system has protected ALL my computers since 1992 and has never failed. It has also been used by hundreds of users I advised and they never reported an infection (at least to me). Aren't you still vulnerable to drive-by downloads when visiting a website, or is SM immune to those? [Tools--Options]*--Navigator--Downloads Either choose Open the download manager or open a process dialog in this manner you are kept informed at the very least. You should also have a set place to download to as well If a site attempts to download something, without asking first, then I would kill the download and leave said site. I would also report the site to its host. In any case, even if it does by some strange circumstance get downloaded then the rule still applies Do NOT open/run files from the web ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Mail performance problems
Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: flyguy wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Bob Fleischer wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Bob Fleischer wrote: I have been running the latest releases of SeaMonkey (now 1.1.16) on what should be a rather hot system -- a Core 2 quad 3.0 GHz system running Vista Business 64-bit in 8 GB RAM.. SeaMonkey mail performance, especially anything moving messages between folders, is really slow (like several seconds to move a message). I've compressed folders and rebuilt indexes and no improvement. I'm using F-PROT anti-virus. CPU usage according to Task Manager is in the single-digit percentage range. I run SeaMonkey at home with larger folders on a much older system with better performance -- but it is Windows XP and different anti-virus. The system disk is defragmented frequently. What else do I check? Thanks, Bob Long shot, but try turning your anti-virus OFF completely and then moving messages... any improvement? Such a test can indicate if it is anti-virus program releated or not. You can disconnect from the internet when you make the test if you have a mind to although its not really neccessary. Well, turning off F-PROT's file system protection does indeed improve performance. Bob In that case I suggest leaving F-Prot off. It is not really protecting you fully in any case. An anti-virus program is only as good as its 'definintions' file is, and regardless of how often it is updated, that file lags behind reality. For example; the I Love You virus, which infected over 30 million users (biggest infestation in history) was checked by many with the latest and greatest AV programs, and came back 'clean'. NONE of the AV programs extant at the time could detect the virus until their definitions files were updated, and that took three to seven days for the AV programs to do. So, even with F-Prot running, and automatic updating, there is still a 3 to 7 day 'window' in which you are not protected against a 'new' virus. So how to protect yourself? Simple. Do NOT open email attachments (opening email is fine, just not the attachments ) If you MUST open an attachment Save it to disk for a week Update your AV program, check the file Open/run the attachment Do NOT open/run files from the web If yoiu MUST open/run files from the web Save it to disk for a week Update your AV program, check the file Open/run the file Use a firewall Using such a system allows you to run, and be fully protected against all malware, regardless of how new it is. The above system has protected ALL my computers since 1992 and has never failed. It has also been used by hundreds of users I advised and they never reported an infection (at least to me). Aren't you still vulnerable to drive-by downloads when visiting a website, or is SM immune to those? [Tools--Options]*--Navigator--Downloads Either choose Open the download manager or open a process dialog in this manner you are kept informed at the very least. You should also have a set place to download to as well If a site attempts to download something, without asking first, then I would kill the download and leave said site. I would also report the site to its host. In any case, even if it does by some strange circumstance get downloaded then the rule still applies Do NOT open/run files from the web Sorry, forgot the addendum *varies by OS Linux [Edit--Preferences] Mac [SeaMonkey--Preferences] Windows as above ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Mail performance problems
Bob Fleischer wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Bob Fleischer wrote: I have been running the latest releases of SeaMonkey (now 1.1.16) on what should be a rather hot system -- a Core 2 quad 3.0 GHz system running Vista Business 64-bit in 8 GB RAM.. SeaMonkey mail performance, especially anything moving messages between folders, is really slow (like several seconds to move a message). I've compressed folders and rebuilt indexes and no improvement. I'm using F-PROT anti-virus. CPU usage according to Task Manager is in the single-digit percentage range. I run SeaMonkey at home with larger folders on a much older system with better performance -- but it is Windows XP and different anti-virus. The system disk is defragmented frequently. What else do I check? Thanks, Bob Long shot, but try turning your anti-virus OFF completely and then moving messages... any improvement? Such a test can indicate if it is anti-virus program releated or not. You can disconnect from the internet when you make the test if you have a mind to although its not really neccessary. Well, turning off F-PROT's file system protection does indeed improve performance. Bob In that case I suggest leaving F-Prot off. It is not really protecting you fully in any case. An anti-virus program is only as good as its 'definintions' file is, and regardless of how often it is updated, that file lags behind reality. For example; the I Love You virus, which infected over 30 million users (biggest infestation in history) was checked by many with the latest and greatest AV programs, and came back 'clean'. NONE of the AV programs extant at the time could detect the virus until their definitions files were updated, and that took three to seven days for the AV programs to do. So, even with F-Prot running, and automatic updating, there is still a 3 to 7 day 'window' in which you are not protected against a 'new' virus. So how to protect yourself? Simple. Do NOT open email attachments (opening email is fine, just not the attachments ) If you MUST open an attachment Save it to disk for a week Update your AV program, check the file Open/run the attachment Do NOT open/run files from the web If yoiu MUST open/run files from the web Save it to disk for a week Update your AV program, check the file Open/run the file Use a firewall Using such a system allows you to run, and be fully protected against all malware, regardless of how new it is. The above system has protected ALL my computers since 1992 and has never failed. It has also been used by hundreds of users I advised and they never reported an infection (at least to me). You can leave F-Prot off until you really need it, such as checking files/attachments just before opening or running after the week 'save' of course. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Mail performance problems
Bob Fleischer wrote: I have been running the latest releases of SeaMonkey (now 1.1.16) on what should be a rather hot system -- a Core 2 quad 3.0 GHz system running Vista Business 64-bit in 8 GB RAM.. SeaMonkey mail performance, especially anything moving messages between folders, is really slow (like several seconds to move a message). I've compressed folders and rebuilt indexes and no improvement. I'm using F-PROT anti-virus. CPU usage according to Task Manager is in the single-digit percentage range. I run SeaMonkey at home with larger folders on a much older system with better performance -- but it is Windows XP and different anti-virus. The system disk is defragmented frequently. What else do I check? Thanks, Bob Long shot, but try turning your anti-virus OFF completely and then moving messages... any improvement? Such a test can indicate if it is anti-virus program releated or not. You can disconnect from the internet when you make the test if you have a mind to although its not really neccessary. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: slow speed of newsreader
Leonidas Jones wrote: Martin Feitag wrote: Leonidas Jones schrieb: zvnteq7 wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: zvnteq7 wrote: zvnteq7 wrote: zvnteq7 wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: zvnteq7 wrote: I noticed that moving between newsgroup messages is much slower in SM than it is in TB, is there a way to speed this up? I mean it's not super slow but there is a noticeable difference between the two. Help appreciated, Thanks close SM and remove the file hostperm.1. Reopen SM and try again. Did that work? I can't even find hostperm.1 , it's not in the profile folder, could it be in another folder? Thanks Whoops my bad, well I was looking in the wrong 'profile' folder, I found the right one this way: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey#For_Windows_users Thanks for your help though :) Crap, still slower than TB :/ Maybe TB is just... a little faster? nope, I find SM and TB just as fast No difference noted as well. Lee Well one ray of light, the 2.0 Alpha 3 is slightly faster than 1.1.6 :) (I just installed it and it's working great so far) and yes, *I* can tell the difference :) 2.0a3 has crashed several times for me over the last month, something the 1.1.x series never did. Be patient, it's still an alpha-version ;-) (though I have to say it doesn't crash often here) On the whole though, I find it a great improvement. yeah :-) Martin Oh not often at all, maybe once or twice a week. Still, its more then I ever saw with 1.1.x. Its not enough to cause a problem, and I've been using it as my default app for quite a while now. I am quite sure the problem will be solved, and its going to be a great release. Lee Hmmm are you comparing an alpha version (2.0a3) to a release version (1.1.x) - isnt that like comparing Grapes and raisins? I would expect any alpha version to crash, after all, there is a reason it hasn't been upgraded to beta yet! grin ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does anyone care about this?
ad...@mmri.us wrote: We have been through this to death. Please see previous threads. I as well as others top post as in my opinion it is outdated. Post as you wish. Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: ad...@mmri.us wrote: That's nothing. I am running over 8GB and have all my mails since 1998 and never lost anything on Linux. Here is the output of my $ du -H 8.1G/cxbro3sb.slt Before that, using NT and Win95/98 I lost mails about once every 6 months due to Windows going corrupt dumping check files all over the drive. Although there is a horde of irritating non-working things in Mozilla/Seamonkey, the entire Netscape/Mozilla/Seamonkey migration path I followed never sacrificed my mail and that is worth gold compared to the bugs and irritations. Outlook users I know, regularly lose their mail, approximately every 2 years or shorter. Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: thats over 2,350,00kb or 2,300mb or slightly more than 2 gigabytes Um, please bottom post or intersperse in these newsgroups (or mailing lists), thank you for your consideration in this regard see http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html And the object/intent of my message was NOT discussing how many email you can store safely in Thunderbird, but how many you can download at ONE time! You may have 8gb of mail built up since 1998, but you don't download them all at one time, and the question of the OP was why the count went backwards when you did. Your comment is superfleous ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey In that case, begone. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forwarding messages
Keith Whaley wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: keith_w wrote: I have rarely been able to forward a message I received to someone else, exactly as I received it. In other words, as I have experienced it, if all I was forwarding was a full text message, with no embedded graphics or other non-ascii items, the message was forwarded without any problem. However, if that message contained graphics of any kind, static or active, that the placement of which was critical to the accompanying text, it wouoldn't forward. I thought I could go to Message Forward As Inline but the resulting page shows the graphic position in the message body as a TEXT marker or link, not as the original graphic. I could Save or Copy the graphic and attach it to the sent message, but that is not how it was sent to me. It was sent inline. I want to be able to forward (pass it on) exactly as I received it. Some assistance needed, please... keith whaley Mac OSX 10.5.6 SeaMonkey 1.1.16 Have you tried switching to HTML enabled and then forwarding? I opened a message with text and images, and set my SM menu bar menu View/Message Body As/Original HTML and checkmarked Display Attachments Inline, then sent it to myself. Same old thing. The message appeared in the message body as text only, and each of several images had this notation instead of an image: cid:002f01c91fed$40c91540$0201a8c0@default4ecc182 That is not openable by itself... keith whaley You didn't answer the question Did you switch to composing in HTML first and then forwarding? Viewing in HTML does NOT force or enable HTML composition ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forwarding messages
keith_w wrote: I have rarely been able to forward a message I received to someone else, exactly as I received it. In other words, as I have experienced it, if all I was forwarding was a full text message, with no embedded graphics or other non-ascii items, the message was forwarded without any problem. However, if that message contained graphics of any kind, static or active, that the placement of which was critical to the accompanying text, it wouoldn't forward. I thought I could go to Message Forward As Inline but the resulting page shows the graphic position in the message body as a TEXT marker or link, not as the original graphic. I could Save or Copy the graphic and attach it to the sent message, but that is not how it was sent to me. It was sent inline. I want to be able to forward (pass it on) exactly as I received it. Some assistance needed, please... keith whaley Mac OSX 10.5.6 SeaMonkey 1.1.16 Have you tried switching to HTML enabled and then forwarding? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Yes - putting stuff in every message that forces the converter to say send in HTML is a common workaround that a lot of people do (see the original thread I referenced at the top of this one). Having a fancy HTML signature also works as a workaround. In fact, it looks like the workarounds are going to be the solution because no one wants to make things right. Has anyone looked through their own sent folder to see if all their converted multi-paragraph non-HTML messages converted properly? THAT's your test case. I have not been able to figure out why it does paragraph breaks correctly sometimes and not others, that doesn't meant there isn't a deterministic problem, I just can't identify it. However, that's not the point. The point is that I want my Email to be read in HTML when I send it in HTML. If I use a proportional font I want the reader to see a proportional font, etc. If you post and say Since -one- (only one) of the reasons you want to do this is to fix a bug you can reproduce, we're going to ignore all the other reasons then your religion is showing. Sad thing that 8-} /j Spammers would love it if the author could pre-determine how the recipient reads email. The fact is, the author has little or NO control over how the recipient will read his messages. Some programs (Pine comes to mind) don't read HTML at all, they are plain text only. Most modern email or news programs can display either plain text or HTML, but at the recipients decision. Mozilla products allow you a choice even in HTML, original HTML or simple HTML. There is no means of you ensuring anyone to read it the way you intended, they will read it in the means they have preset their email (or news or even web browser) to display. That may be plain text, html, simple html, html with javascript, without javascript, with their choice of fonts (or not), in colour or in black or white, the choice is up to the reader, the recipient, NOT the author. Only send HTML to those who have requested such. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: I wish Mozilla did allow me a choice. No matter how hard I try to have messages go, by default, in HTML. Mozilla looks at them and says yeah, plain text is good enough and converts them. that's the problem. All I'm suggesting is an OPTION to disable the auto-conversion. I can't believe how many people here don't think options are good. /j If you dont quote previous messages, all context is lost If you choose to send in HTML then it wont be converted, it will be sent as html. If you further refuse to quote previous context, there is no choice but for me to ignore your messages thank you. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: On Mar 30, 5:12 pm, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Sorry - i'm viewing on the web where all prior messages show up, I was trying to be space efficient. not everyone is viewing this group on google groups. Some of us are using the mozilla newsgroup and others are using the mailing lists Yeah - I got that now If you choose to send in HTML then it wont be converted, it will be sent as html. This is a false statement. again, others have asked that you email them an html message and then we'll go from there, and so far you have failed to do that. I'm happy to send a message to anyone. just supply the email True statement: If you choose to send in HTML, and there is nothing in your message that warrants HTML, SM will convertto plaintextand send plaintext. maybe it is and maybe its not Actually, it is. There doesn't seem to be any dispute about this statement in this thread (until now). The debate is whether this is the single, correct behavior. This is a well-established fact. I am asking that the auto-conversion be optional, so that your original statement becomes the truth. we've heard you many times. Stop harping about it and file a bug:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/and request for such an item Did so long ago -- Well, when I Send a message from a HTML enabled account, in just text, no html specifics, AND choose, send as HTML, it is received as the font I sent it in (proportional) If it had been 'converted' then I would have received the monospace version (plain text). So for me, if I choose to send in html (only), then that is what is sent. my email is above, is attached to every post I make moz.champ...@sympatico.ca so send me a html formatted email, with no html objects/features in it already. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A News Group that Takes Attachments please.
Daniel wrote: jim wrote: Troubles trying to Access Annexcafe Jim Jim, as I posted to you in your other thread, if you want to post a screen shot of the message you are getting for your problem, the group mozilla.support.screenshots has been set up on this server just for that purpose! HTH Daniel Yes, please read the FAQ in that newsgroup prior to posting if you will ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Just curious about error 4.1.2
HeavyDuty wrote: SM 1.1.15, WinXP Pro SP3 Just curious, I was sending a simple very small text e-mail. After a minute of sending but no completion, I got an error message that said the smtp server replied error 4.1.2, and recipient domain not found. Since I was replying to a known sender, I neither mistyped nor missent. I called my ISP to find out what error 4.1.2 was. The support guy said he had no idea and besides it was an error code generated by my e-mail client, not the isp. So, did seamonkey generate this error code or did it get it from my isp and patch it into the error window? After closing the error window, I just hit send again in the compose window and, after some hesitation, it went through. I am still wanting know what error code 4.1.2 is all about. I /think/ it comes from an internet code protocol standard, but I could not find it. Thanks. Hmmm, the entries I find for error 4.1.2 are linux or gcc (compiler) related. You sure about that number? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Just curious about error 4.1.2
HeavyDuty wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: HeavyDuty wrote: SM 1.1.15, WinXP Pro SP3 Just curious, I was sending a simple very small text e-mail. After a minute of sending but no completion, I got an error message that said the smtp server replied error 4.1.2, and recipient domain not found. Since I was replying to a known sender, I neither mistyped nor missent. I called my ISP to find out what error 4.1.2 was. The support guy said he had no idea and besides it was an error code generated by my e-mail client, not the isp. So, did seamonkey generate this error code or did it get it from my isp and patch it into the error window? After closing the error window, I just hit send again in the compose window and, after some hesitation, it went through. I am still wanting know what error code 4.1.2 is all about. I /think/ it comes from an internet code protocol standard, but I could not find it. Thanks. Hmmm, the entries I find for error 4.1.2 are linux or gcc (compiler) related. You sure about that number? Yes about the numbers. Where did you find that definition/coe listing? google is your friend do a search on error 4.1.2 or SeaMonkey 4.1.2 or SeaMonkey error 4.1.2 I was unable to uncover any references aside from specific linux or gcc compiler ones - or other programs ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML and text
Mark Hansen wrote: On 03/22/09 06:50, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: text html Html AND text = when this option for email is used, does the text get doubled up? I often receive email that suggests this is the case. In short, yes. When you send in plain text, the message is sent in plain text of course. When you send in html, the message is sent in html. If you send in 'both' (plain text and html) there is a plain text 'portion' and a html 'portion' sent. Depending on your email/news program (and it's settings) you will only usually 'see' one version on your screen, but both will be there in the message. Dependent on how much html is used, a plain text message of say 25KB would perhaps be 30KB to 40KB if sent html. If sent both, then the message size would be 55KB to 65KB Never send both. It more than doubles the size of a plain text message for no good reason. If a person is reading in plain text only, they will only see the plain text version, the html is useless to them. If they are reading in html, the plain text version is likewise useless. No good reason to ever send both? What if you're sending a message to a group of people, some of whom read only plain text, and some of whom appreciate HTML e-mail? No good reason to send both, send each group seperately. The ones who read plain text only will NOT see the html part, so the message size is grossly inflated for the content. i.e. 25KB of plain text but the message size is anywher from 55 to 65KB Those who read html will not see the plain text part, so there is 25KB of useless 'bloat' in the message if you send both. While you may be on broadband, and using protocols/hosts that don't limit you to file sizes or space, many (approx 60% of Americans - more in some other countries) are still on dialup, and some even pay for time. For example, where my family is (rural setting), use of the internet ties up their phone line, is quite slow (28K). Sending them html messages because someone ELSE can read them is impolite, improper and callous. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML and text
Rick Merrill wrote: text html Html AND text = when this option for email is used, does the text get doubled up? I often receive email that suggests this is the case. In short, yes. When you send in plain text, the message is sent in plain text of course. When you send in html, the message is sent in html. If you send in 'both' (plain text and html) there is a plain text 'portion' and a html 'portion' sent. Depending on your email/news program (and it's settings) you will only usually 'see' one version on your screen, but both will be there in the message. Dependent on how much html is used, a plain text message of say 25KB would perhaps be 30KB to 40KB if sent html. If sent both, then the message size would be 55KB to 65KB Never send both. It more than doubles the size of a plain text message for no good reason. If a person is reading in plain text only, they will only see the plain text version, the html is useless to them. If they are reading in html, the plain text version is likewise useless. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Print Preview freezes on Office Depot's Web site?
Ant wrote: On 3/16/2009 12:44 PM PT, Bill Davidsen typed: No, SM1.1.x will only receive security-updates. SM2.0 is the the one which gets all the new features. I would consider a bug allowing a malicious (or mangled) web page to freeze the browser to be a security issue... Good point there. ??How is that insecure? Your browser would be frozen, not working, which from a security standpoint, is absolutely secure grin. No information leak there! grin No denying that it is a problem, a bug, but it is definitely not a security issue in my view ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't remove news server just named News
Keith Whaley wrote: Phillip Jones, C.E.T. wrote: Before anyone starts. I am asking a question. I've quit giving support for Mac SeaMonkey. Sorry to hear that, Phillip. Because I've told one too many time to shove it, Mac support is unwelcome nor desired. By whom? No, seriously! What sort of retard comes right out and opines such a thing? If you're REALLY leaving, you might consider naming names... I'd like to know which ones to add to my plonk list... You mean, the Mac side has never stood up and supported you when that happens? That's absolutely unconscionable! -- Ah well... I've heard the PC people are snobbish boors, but didn't want to believe it. I've known some wonderful people who are...I mean USE PCs. Seems a bit odd! I'll really be sorry to have you go. But, if no-one will assist you, what's a person to do? keith whaley Oh, Phillip has been told many times that Mac support is welcome. By myself, Lee, Jay, Nir, Q, Chris and others. He simply refuses to acknowledge it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Remove Expired articles
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 2/23/09 4:29 PM, _Rostyslaw Lewyckyj_ spoke thusly: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: O.k. Let me pose the problem in a different way :-) How does the action and result of news://server/newsgroup?list-ids differ from the action of deleting newsgroup.msf and then selecting newsgroup from/on the newsgroup pane? Which files on the news reading client are affected by each of the procedures? when you remove the .msf file, then you're basically starting all over. You've sort of removed the list And? When you do a list-ids you update the list So how does the end result differ? _In_detail_ :-) list-ids removes headers you have stored in your MSF file, that are no longer on the server. The result is that expired/removed messages are no longer in the list of newsgroup messages. Anything else is kept in tact. Removing the MSF removes all headers you have stored, including their flags, tags, watch status, except for read/unread status. O.k! So to confirm! Only the flags, _because_ they are stored in the .msf, and no other files are touched in either case. The read/unread status is unchanged because that is kept in the record for the newsgroup in the .rc file, and the .rc file is not updated by either action. Thanks for confirming my thinking, so far. But What happens to the headers and bodies of articles that have been downloaded for off-line reading IF: 1) these have not expired on the local machine, (because of the way you set the local retention time, in mailnewsgroup account|offline disk space|to recover disk save space may delete after xx days) 2) in the meantime they have expired on the server 3a) you either run news://.../...list-ids or 3b) delete the .msf file If you are reading offline, the expiry time of the server makes no difference, the messages (bodies) will remain on your computer until your settings (as to disk space etc) dictate, or you trash them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: cross posting ???
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: NoOp wrote: On 02/08/2009 12:34 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: However connected to the server newsgroups.bellsouth.net, when I tried to cross post my article, I received the error message that I can not post an article to two servers! I had to post the article separately to each group! It's a known problem (bug 230899). Greetings, Jens https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230899 Makes it easier for those not familiar with bugzilla to look up. I went to that link and it appears that I am being hit with the double whammy. :-( . I.e. Original error (design problem) and then the bug described in comment #10. To recapitulate: Server A carries group x I am subscribed to x on A. Server B carries groups x and y I am subscribed to x and y on B I connect to server B and attempt to post a message cross posted to x and y. 1. I get hit multiple times with can't save message to drafts while composing my message! 2. I can't post my message Reading the comments I can now see into the design problem. The devil is in the details. Who gets to reject messages and why. :-/ The answer is quite simple. Do not crosspost, especially between servers. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with newsgroup msgs
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Don Miller wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Don Miller wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Don Miller wrote: I have a newsgroup where some of the forums will still show that the message has not been read or set with Ctrl/Shft/C no matter TIA Don What newsgroups? The newsgroup is Codegear. (forums.codegear.com). Also if I keep clicking on the Plus sign of a msg thread, it keeps adding the same msg header below the main thread. I got the feeling that there is a problem with the newsgroup. Don. I don't find a newsgroup called codegear at all. the only heirarchy I can get access to is embarcado embarcado.public and there is no group with 'codegear' in it Just subscribe to 'embarcadero.public.delphi.non-technical'. That is the one that I have most of the trouble. There is a thread subject 'Help Me' dated for today that would not clear as being read. From that thread until now has been trouble. Plus every time I open that group it wants me to re-download. Don I have no problems with that group, or thread. Tell you what. Dump the entire news server entry (delete it*). Then turn Thunderbird off and delete all the entries in the News folder (in the profile) for that server - .msf .dat whatever has the 'forum.codegear.com' name, delete it. Then create a new news account for forums.codegear.com and subscribe to the group. *highlight the account press Delete Dan: think SeaMonkey ;-) quite correct. replace the word 'Thunderbird' with 'SeaMonkey' in the above. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with newsgroup msgs
Don Miller wrote: I have a newsgroup where some of the forums will still show that the message has not been read or set with Ctrl/Shft/C no matter how many times I click on it. I have even removed the newsgroup and went into the Mozilla folder and removed anything to do with it and and re-added the group and 2 of the forums keep doing the same thing. So I am wondering if it is possible the problem is with the newsgroup or maybe some file in Mozilla that I did not get rid of. TIA Don What newsgroups? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with newsgroup msgs
Don Miller wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Don Miller wrote: Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Don Miller wrote: I have a newsgroup where some of the forums will still show that the message has not been read or set with Ctrl/Shft/C no matter TIA Don What newsgroups? The newsgroup is Codegear. (forums.codegear.com). Also if I keep clicking on the Plus sign of a msg thread, it keeps adding the same msg header below the main thread. I got the feeling that there is a problem with the newsgroup. Don. I don't find a newsgroup called codegear at all. the only heirarchy I can get access to is embarcado embarcado.public and there is no group with 'codegear' in it Just subscribe to 'embarcadero.public.delphi.non-technical'. That is the one that I have most of the trouble. There is a thread subject 'Help Me' dated for today that would not clear as being read. From that thread until now has been trouble. Plus every time I open that group it wants me to re-download. Don Late addition. I too am now getting a download message everytime I open the server. So it possibly isn't anything in your client at all, but a server side issue. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 1.1.14 and Junk mail
NoOp wrote: On 12/17/2008 06:26 PM, Norman Fuchs wrote: Since I installed 1.1.14 (I had 1.1.13 previously), all my messages (Mail and Newsgroup messages) have a bold red question mark in the Junk status column. (Well, all but the ones in the Inbox mail folder.) The question marks do not change when I click on them. In the Inbox mail folder, everything works normally. How can I fix this? I assume this is not a new feature of version 1.1.14. Try right-clicking on the message group/folder and select Rebuild Index. You might also try closing SM and renaming training.dat in your mozilla folder. Simple, turn off the column that shows Junk status ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.14 crashes on Cagle BLOG
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Ray K wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Just drops dead on http://cagle.com/news/BLOG trying to look at his latest cartoon for the French. Week-old SM 2.0a3 was able to open the same page just fine. Tested under Fedora FC9 and FC10, using the version from Mozilla download, not the Fedora package (which has other issues with font sizes). I just visited the link with no problems. Scrolling worked properly, and when I click a link and then Back, the scrolling bar returned to its previous position. (See my post of 8:29am 12/19/08.) And none of the problems I described in today's 8:49am post occurred, either. Maybe your problem has something to do with some of your Preferences settings. I have no idea which might be involved. I'm using W2K, SP4, and about 70 hotfixes. Ray he's using SM2 while you're on SM1 Uh, Peter, read what has been written. The original poster says he has a problem on 1.1.14 and NOT on 2.0a.3 So the problem occurs (according to the OP) on the 1x version, NOT the 2x version. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
