RE: history of window eyes

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Waw what a nostalgia this morning, I remember that my first computer that ever 
used was the Amstrad PC with 5.25inch floppy disk and with the votrax type n' 
talk speech synthesizer.  Later I switch to  the double talk speech synthesizer 
and the ASAP for dos screen reader, at that time the WordPerfect 5.1 word 
processor was the best accessible word processor for us the blind. Although 
today I'm feeling comfortable with Microsoft word, but I'm still missing that 
WordPerfect for DOS.

Anyway, as they say, every good thing, sometimes comes to an end. Now it is the 
time for window eyes unfortunately.





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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:25
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

Hi there!

My first windows screen reader was Artic Winvision.  Yes I do like 
Window-Eyes, but I thought that Winvision was the easiest to configure 
on the fly as well as use straight from the box.  We have come along 
ways since then, and I really do appreciate the ease of use with W.E.  
My first and only DOS screen reader was called TinyTalk.  It was 
referred to as the poor man's screen reader since I only paid $75 for 
it. Just a bit of my history with screen readers.  Have a Good 1! de

.


On 18-Oct-16 10:54, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> Window bridge was the first windows screenreader I got for my first 
> windows computer, which was a Gateway 2000, with windows 98.  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: David Goldfield via Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:52 PM
> To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>
> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
> May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
> Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
> a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
> be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
> 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
> try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
> name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
> Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
> Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
> It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
> library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
> the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
> screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
> corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
> about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
> Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
> more than a few years.
>
> This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
> talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
> technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
> established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
> locating it.
>
>
>
>   David Goldfield,
> Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> Feel free to visit my Web site
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
>
> On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
>> Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
>> was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
>> interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
>> purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
>> 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
>> $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
>> I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
>> Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
>> offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
>> reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>>> I might add that 

RE: history of window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Doug.  I have been using Window-Eyes since 2007. Since then, I have been
able to use Window-Eyes last year to do a 6-month internship, teaching
adaptive technology to sighted staff and also using it for some students. In
edition, I got my Window-Eyes certification. Great work Doug!  Thanks, Sky.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

Dennis and all,

I've been getting this question a lot lately.  Here is how I've been and 
continue responding until I know more:

We are still early in the merger between Ai Squared and VFO so it is a 
bit early to know how all this will ultimately play out.  But please 
rest assured no matter what happens, we will make sure that Window-Eyes 
users will not be left behind.  As we continue we will certainly make 
clear what our plans are moving forward and how this may or may not 
impact you.  But again, we will not take your years of loyalty for granted.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 2:14 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
> Doug is there any word if window Eyes will be staying around?
> - Original Message - From: "Doug Geoffray via Talk" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
>
>> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>>
>> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
>> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
>> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
>> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
>> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
>> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
>> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
>> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
>> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times 
>> (smile).
>>
>> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
>> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
>> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
>> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
>> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
>> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
>> hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
>> Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
>> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
>> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
>> it was around 1994 or 95.
>>
>> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
>> October 1995.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
>>> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
>>> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
>>> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally. Bill Grimm
>>> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
>>> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
>>> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
>>> reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
>>> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
>>> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
>>> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
 I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
 of the story.
 In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
 Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
 They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS
 called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and
 used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program,
 and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray
 was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the
 Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the
 SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did
 major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
 Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
 new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
 The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
 summer of 1992. 

Re: speech synthesizers

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

I know dectalk and what it sounds like. What i remember sounded nothing
like dectalk.  These sounded more real than robotic.




On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, Tom Fairhurst via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> If you run  the DecTalk Access 32 synthesizer and play around with the
> tone option, you'll find similar voices.
>
> -Original Message- From: Linette Sukup via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:04 PM
> To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
>
>
> The Kurzweil reading machine has a child's voice called Kit the Kid.
>
> Peace.
> Linette
>
>
>
> On 10/18/2016 4:02 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
>
>> Ok, this is semi random but anyone remember a synth from the mid to late
>> '90s that had like child voices?  They were somewhat real sounding. No, it
>> wasn't vocalizer or dectalk or eloquence. I haven't heard them since but
>> remember them from elementary school at that time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, Jim via Talk 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there folks!
>>>
>>> My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External unit.
>>> I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed cleaned or
>>> replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other computerss
>>> with a
>>> TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I had a lot of friends
>>> helping me to learn DOS which helped out a great deal! Catch Ya Later de
>>>
>>> .
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Re: speech synthesizers

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

If you run  the DecTalk Access 32 synthesizer and play around with the tone 
option, you'll find similar voices.


-Original Message- 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:04 PM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speech synthesizers



The Kurzweil reading machine has a child's voice called Kit the Kid.

Peace.
Linette



On 10/18/2016 4:02 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Ok, this is semi random but anyone remember a synth from the mid to late
'90s that had like child voices?  They were somewhat real sounding. No, it
wasn't vocalizer or dectalk or eloquence. I haven't heard them since but
remember them from elementary school at that time.




On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, Jim via Talk 
wrote:


Hi there folks!

My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External unit.
I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed cleaned or
replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other computerss with 
a

TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I had a lot of friends
helping me to learn DOS which helped out a great deal! Catch Ya Later de

.

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Re: Printing Envelopes

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,

The method I use for printing an envelope is quite simple and works like 
a charm once it is set up.  However, a pair of eyes is required at the 
start to position the address correctly.


Save a blank page in Word and call it something like, business 
envelope.docx. If you have a used envelope of the size you wish to use, 
then the sited person can measure the top and left margins so similar 
margins can be set in the blank document.


Insert an address and print it on to the size envelope you wish to use. 
You'll probably have to adjust the top and left margins a few times 
until you get it right. Make sure you save the document with the altered 
margins regularly.


To use,
1. just select and copy the required address from your document,

2. open a new document and load the file with the altered margins.

3. paste the address into the document and print.

A different document could be set up for each envelope size you wish to use.

Of course, this can be streamlined considerably if you can reccord a 
macro to do all the hard work.


A macro I wrote quite some time ago does the following once the cursor 
is placed on the first line of the address to be used:


Moves the cursor to the left, selects the lines of the address and 
copies them to the clipboard, opens a new document, loads the altered 
blank file, pastes the address and changes the text to upper case.


I have found that each time the printer is changed, the margins need to 
be reset.


HTH
 Neville.
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Re: Office 7 and office 16

[peter Chin via Talk]

   Hello Chris,

Could you please tell me the proper way to close or exit a document in Word 
2016? I can't

seem to find the exit on the ribbon so I do ALT+F4 but I seem to land in a
kind of no-man's-land where I can read nothing.

Could you also explain what you meant by   "turn off the backstage for
opening and saving documents" and how do you do that?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Grabowski via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:40 AM
   To: David Crowell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Office 7 and office 16

Hi,

I would remove 2007 and just use 2016.

2016 will read your word 2007 documents no problem as they are the same
format.
If you turn off the backstage for opening and saving documents the 2016
should behave more or less like 2007.
2016 also sends the read/unread etc. to Window-eyes so no need to label
those.

JMT.

Chris


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:22 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Office 7 and office 16

Hi,

I am using the most current version of Window eyes and windows 10
anniversary edition and Office 2007.



I have not had any problems with Office 07 or Window Eyes until the last two
updates of Window Eyes.



When I first went to Windows 10 in May I checked with the staff of Window
Eyes to make sure WE and windows 10 would still work.  AI Squared assured me
that Office 07 would work just fine.

Since the current update and the previous update of WE I have had nothing
but trouble with Outlook on my computer.  I have a few problems with Word
but not as much trouble as I have with Outlook.



I have made a few calls to AI Squared and they have come up with a few ideas
to try and I was also sent a Zip file of WE 9.5.3 incase when I di my
upgrade from the WE page had an issue.

Well still no luck.  I purchased the CD to WE 9.5.3 and before I installed
it I ran Windows Defender and Malware bytes to make sure there wasn't a
virus or problem with my computer.  Everything was clean.  I installed the
CD of WE 9.5.3 today and I am still having issues especially with Outlook.



What is happening is when I open Outlook the majority of the time my list of
emails are showing on the screen but nothing is read at all.  When the list
of emails do read WE doesn't say if the message is read, unread, forwarded.


So I had sighted help to do the graphic dictionaries to label the read,
unread and all that stuff.  That did not work either so my sighted
assistance suggested I label the Braille dictionary's with the read and
unread also.  Believe it or not that made WE say if the messages were read
or unread.

I do not even have any Braille stuff installed on my computer because I do
not use Braille at all.



So anyway I am thinking about downloading Office 365 because my spouse uses
that and I can also add it to my computer.  What I am wondering is can I
have both Office 2016, which is the Office 365 version and also have Office
07 on my computer?

I know I will have to get the proper set file for Office when I use one
version or another, but that is not a problem.

I have a home business and most of my stuff is done on Word 2007 so I will
need time to convert documents so they work in word 2016.

Plus with all the changes from Office 07 to Office 2016 I am going to have
to learn how to maneuver and do things differently in Office 2016.



So any advice that anyone can share with me or how to get WE 9.5.3 to work
properly with Office 7 would greatly be appreciated.




Dave



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Re: history of window eyes

[Vinny Samarco via Talk]

Hi Doug,
I've used vocal-eyes and then Window-eyes since 1992.  Glad you guys are on 
the level with us.

Vinny

-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

Dennis and all,

I've been getting this question a lot lately.  Here is how I've been and
continue responding until I know more:

We are still early in the merger between Ai Squared and VFO so it is a
bit early to know how all this will ultimately play out.  But please
rest assured no matter what happens, we will make sure that Window-Eyes
users will not be left behind.  As we continue we will certainly make
clear what our plans are moving forward and how this may or may not
impact you.  But again, we will not take your years of loyalty for granted.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 2:14 PM, Dennis Long wrote:

Doug is there any word if window Eyes will be staying around?
- Original Message - From: "Doug Geoffray via Talk"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: history of window eyes



Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).

Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times
(smile).

In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
it was around 1994 or 95.

We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
October 1995.

Doug

On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:

I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally. Bill Grimm
was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of the story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS
called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and
used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program,
and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray
was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the
Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the
SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did
major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already
out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first.
Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support Windows 95, and
came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going
way back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.


Lloyd 

Re: speech synthesizers

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

The Kurzweil reading machine has a child's voice called Kit the Kid.

Peace.
Linette



On 10/18/2016 4:02 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Ok, this is semi random but anyone remember a synth from the mid to late
'90s that had like child voices?  They were somewhat real sounding. No, it
wasn't vocalizer or dectalk or eloquence. I haven't heard them since but
remember them from elementary school at that time.




On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, Jim via Talk 
wrote:


Hi there folks!

My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External unit.
I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed cleaned or
replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other computerss with a
TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I had a lot of friends
helping me to learn DOS which helped out a great deal! Catch Ya Later de

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RE: Printing Envelopes

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi,

For all the addresses I need to print, usually on packages I send, I just print 
on normal paper, fold it to the size I need, and tape it on. Smile

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:48 PM
To: 'David' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Printing Envelopes

I have a Dymo Label printer which I've found really useful; the
self-adhesive labels come in a roll and fit in the Dymo Printer and you can
copy and paste the address into the edit box, select the address from the
address book or type the address into the edit box. There is also a keyboard
shortcut to open the program, ready for printing.

For those who do not have a dedicated label printer, however, I think the
easiest way is to put the envelope into the printer and go to Word, type and
highlight the address and then press alt m (for mail) and e (for envelopes)
and then tab down to print.

 

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Re: Talk Digest, Vol 615, Issue 1

[Andrew Zeman via Talk]

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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Lea W Langley via Talk]

Hi Jeremy,
I wish you well and good luck and Godspeed and hope you have a wonderful future 
and that all goes well for you. Thank you for everything you have done well you 
have been working at window eyes.
God bless,
Wren

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> Please allow me to express my heartfelt wishes to you and your family for a 
> peaceful and prosperous future.
> 
> As the Vulcans say, live long and prosper,, and, peace and long life,
> 
> Rod Hutton
> From Canada, your neighbours to the north :)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:34 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I just wanted to say thank you for all of the well wishes you have all been 
> giving me.  I have seen a flood of correspondence both publicly, private 
> email, and phone calls.  It really means a lot to me, and I am so honored to 
> have served so many  people in such a positive way.  I have had so many that 
> I have not been able to respond to all of them.  If I missed you, please 
> accept this as a sincere "thank-you" from me personally.  I wish you all the 
> absolute best!
> 
> Warm Regards,
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Micallef Michael at FITA [mailto:michael.mical...@gov.mt] 
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:55 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; Jeremy Curry 
> Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared
> 
> Dear Jeremy,
> 
> From the bottom of my heart Wish you Good Luck in your new career.
> 
> Meanwhile, excuse me if the following question is not related to window-eyes, 
> but can someone enlight me how I can use NVDA with sa DECtalk Speech 
> synthesizer. When WE totally dead, I wish to switch to NVDA completely, but 
> one major problem that I have is that my ears are more used to hear the 
> Dectalk Speech. Please write me privately so to do not clutter the list with 
> unwanted messages.
> 
> Thanks and Kind Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Micallef
> Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification 
> and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment
> 
> Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)
> 
> Email:
> Office:
> URL:
> FB:
> michael.mical...@gov.mt  
> +356 2599 2343
> http://www.fitamalta.eu
> http://on.fb.me/1hCRTAx
> 
> Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2016 11:14
> To: 'Jeremy Curry'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared
> 
> Wow, how many more of our friendly helpers are left in the auction block?
> 
> Marc Solomon, gone!  Dan Weirich, retired; Jeremy Curry, gone!  Looks like
> Aaron Smith might be next?
> 
> And when the battle is over, where's the new crown for Window-Eyes?  Guess
> one won't be found in Fort Wayne or Jerusalem, but in Saint Petersburg!
> 
> Jeremy, thanks for your invaluable services!  I hope that somehow, those of
> us whom you have helped through the ages will be able to stay in touch.
> Fondest regards to your family, and the Good Lord bless and keep you as you
> go.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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Re: history of window eyes

[David via Talk]

Doug,

Just wanted to thank you for the response to this question.


Great that we did get a response from someone in the staff, considering 
all the speculation and concerns on the list lately. Understandably, a 
merge takes time, and many things have to be sorted out. Yet, I do think 
many people have been concerned about the missing of Win-Eyes mentioned, 
or refered to, when people from VFO are interviewed, or on contact 
forms. Perhaps something the main staff might want to change first of 
all, since that would lead to people more relaxing. Tons of talk about 
Jaws and ZT, nothing about WE, well you cannot help the community 
starting to spin rumors and speculations. Add to it, noone from the 
staff told anything, except from us seeing one by one leaving.


So, once again, great that we got some words on the matter, from the 
staff. Hopefully that will calm people for yet another piece of time, 
knowing that you pretty much might know little as the rest of us.

On 10/18/2016 8:36 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Dennis and all,
>
> I've been getting this question a lot lately.  Here is how I've been and
> continue responding until I know more:
>
> We are still early in the merger between Ai Squared and VFO so it is a
> bit early to know how all this will ultimately play out.  But please
> rest assured no matter what happens, we will make sure that Window-Eyes
> users will not be left behind.  As we continue we will certainly make
> clear what our plans are moving forward and how this may or may not
> impact you.  But again, we will not take your years of loyalty for granted.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> On 10/18/2016 2:14 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
>> Doug is there any word if window Eyes will be staying around?
>> - Original Message - From: "Doug Geoffray via Talk"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>>
>>
>>> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>>>
>>> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
>>> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
>>> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
>>> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
>>> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
>>> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
>>> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
>>> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
>>> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times
>>> (smile).
>>>
>>> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
>>> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
>>> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
>>> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
>>> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
>>> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
>>> hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
>>> Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
>>> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
>>> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
>>> it was around 1994 or 95.
>>>
>>> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
>>> October 1995.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
 I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
 Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
 Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
 designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
 sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally. Bill Grimm
 was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
 Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
 Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
 reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
 Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
 Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
 know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

 Dave

 At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
> I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
> of the story.
> In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
> Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
> They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS
> called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and
> used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program,
> and 

Re: speech synthesizers

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Ok, this is semi random but anyone remember a synth from the mid to late
'90s that had like child voices?  They were somewhat real sounding. No, it
wasn't vocalizer or dectalk or eloquence. I haven't heard them since but
remember them from elementary school at that time.




On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, Jim via Talk 
wrote:

> Hi there folks!
>
> My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External unit.
> I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed cleaned or
> replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other computerss with a
> TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I had a lot of friends
> helping me to learn DOS which helped out a great deal! Catch Ya Later de
>
> .
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night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho


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RE: history of window eyes

[CJ MAY via Talk]

And we are so grateful to you, Doug, and others like you who invested so
much time and effort into making computers accessible.

I recall when Windows was about to be introduced and the blind media were so
despondent, claiming that blind people would never be able to access the
Windows system, but thanks to folk like you, they were proved wrong.

When I think of all the things I use my computer for, I cannot begin to tell
you just how much I appreciate the freedom and independence your hard work
has made possible.

Thank you so much!

 

Alison

 

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RE: Printing Envelopes

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I never had much success either in printing on sheets of labels.

 

Alison

 

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RE: Printing Envelopes

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I have a Dymo Label printer which I've found really useful; the
self-adhesive labels come in a roll and fit in the Dymo Printer and you can
copy and paste the address into the edit box, select the address from the
address book or type the address into the edit box. There is also a keyboard
shortcut to open the program, ready for printing.

For those who do not have a dedicated label printer, however, I think the
easiest way is to put the envelope into the printer and go to Word, type and
highlight the address and then press alt m (for mail) and e (for envelopes)
and then tab down to print.

 

Alison

 

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speech synthesizers

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there folks!

My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External 
unit.  I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed 
cleaned or replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other 
computerss with a TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I 
had a lot of friends helping me to learn DOS which helped out a great 
deal! Catch Ya Later de


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O.T.: Cell phones

[Grant Metcalf via Talk]

Sunday my Odin Mobile phone stopped working. I like its design and simplicity. 
I am wondering about other options which provide voice/speech access. I do not 
care about internet features, just the ability to make and receive calls, 
perhaps text messages. One phone suggested is the L G Terra, a flip phone. 
Below is my email and phone info. Feel free to contact me off list.
Cordially yours,

Grant Metcalf
Email: the.g...@att.net
Home phone: (650) 589.6890
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Re: history of window eyes

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Dennis and all,

I've been getting this question a lot lately.  Here is how I've been and 
continue responding until I know more:

We are still early in the merger between Ai Squared and VFO so it is a 
bit early to know how all this will ultimately play out.  But please 
rest assured no matter what happens, we will make sure that Window-Eyes 
users will not be left behind.  As we continue we will certainly make 
clear what our plans are moving forward and how this may or may not 
impact you.  But again, we will not take your years of loyalty for granted.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 2:14 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
> Doug is there any word if window Eyes will be staying around?
> - Original Message - From: "Doug Geoffray via Talk" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
>
>> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>>
>> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
>> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
>> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
>> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
>> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
>> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
>> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
>> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
>> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times 
>> (smile).
>>
>> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
>> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
>> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
>> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
>> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
>> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
>> hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
>> Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
>> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
>> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
>> it was around 1994 or 95.
>>
>> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
>> October 1995.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
>>> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
>>> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
>>> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally. Bill Grimm
>>> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
>>> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
>>> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
>>> reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
>>> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
>>> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
>>> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
 I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
 of the story.
 In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
 Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
 They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS
 called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and
 used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program,
 and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray
 was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the
 Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the
 SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did
 major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
 Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
 new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
 The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
 summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
 JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
 It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already
 out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first.
 Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support Windows 95, and
 came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
 The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going
 way back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.


 Lloyd 

Re: history of window eyes

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Doug is there any word if window Eyes will be staying around?
- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Geoffray via Talk" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: history of window eyes



Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).

Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).

In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
it was around 1994 or 95.

We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
October 1995.

Doug

On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:

I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm
was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of the story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS
called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and
used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program,
and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray
was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the
Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the
SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did
major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already
out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first.
Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support Windows 95, and
came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going
way back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.


Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: history of window eyes

hi,

i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?

thanks


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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

So the history of poor customer service is alive and well.




Encouraged by suggestions on the list, I used the contact VFO link of 
its site - specifically the U.S. office.  I posted my comment regarding 
Window-Eyes on Sunday afternoon my time in New Zealand - haven't even 
got an autoresponse.



Maybe a lone human is working steadily through a deluge of Window-Eyes 
support emails!




Vaughan.




On 10/19/2016 3:36 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I have had one or two helpful customer service experiences with 
Freedom Science Fiction, but I can also remember calling to get help 
with my braille lite and getting a nasty person on the other end.  
Eric Damery said, when I told him, that he wished I had gotten the 
people's names who were nasty.  I told him I was just so mad I just 
hung up, and I didn't call back for a long time.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:44 PM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Had similar experiences dealing with fs on the low vision hardware 
side of

customer service.  They customer service not so much.




On Monday, October 17, 2016, Nick Sarames via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get
help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need 
assistance.


On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their 
products.  I

> don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device
> put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  
The v

> a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about
> three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run
> down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called
> freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I
> wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they
> wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.
> It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order
> wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their
> "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw the
> stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
> because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.
>
>
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
>  On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>
>> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its
>> shoddy practices built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>>  Hello list.
>>>
>>>  I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much 
good.

>>>
>>>  Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it
>>> puts the
>>>  other screen reader into the useless category.
>>>
>>>  That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as 
Voiceover is

>>> for
>>>  the Apple products.
>>>
>>>  Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>>
>>>  The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
>>> sick.
>>>
>>>  Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands
and
>>>  other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
>>>
>>>  Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>>
>>>  Kenneth Son.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>> >  Hello list,
>>> > >  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on
>>> their web
>>> >  site.
>>> > >  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that
>>> they will
>>> >  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>>> >  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about
>>> Window-Eyes in >  my
>>> >  comments.
>>> > > > >  Regards, John
>>> > >  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>>> >  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>> > > > >  -Original Message-
>>> >  From: Talk
>>> >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley =
btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] >
>>> On
>>> >  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> >  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>>> >  To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> >  Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of
Window-Eyes
>>> > >  No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes 
stays

>>> >  around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>>> expect
>>> >  the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>>> when ai
>>> >  squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
>>> product
>>> >  and that you are a loyal user.
>>> > > > > >  On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>> > >  Hi all,
>>> > > > >  Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is
>>> wineyes going > >  to be
>>> > >  fazed out?
>>> > > > >  

RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

[Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk]

HI 

I tried that app after ai squared tech support told me about it, but it
didn't work with the Brailliant BI 32 unit!

Regards,

Roger A. Behm, President

Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President 
1611 Clover Lane 
Janesville WI 53545-1388 
Fax: 608-758-7898 
Voice: 608-758-0933 
Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:42 AM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

Hi Doug,

I'm not a braille user myself, but according to the documentation for the
BrailleInput app:

https://www.gwmicro.com/App_Central/Apps/App_Details/?scriptid=1404

it offers "Contracted braille (partial support)."

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:18 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

Hello Roger,

Wow, it has been a long time.  I was not aware of your health issues but 
applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do 
with their odds (smile)!

Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input.  This is 
something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I 
thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage 
of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain.  
Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, 
I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with 
Window-Eyes.  I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core 
but have never gotten to it.  It is still on the wish list.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and
> Window-eyes 9.53.
>
> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with
> Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of
> Window-eyes.
>
> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a
> Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input
> from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all
> computer Braille only.
>
> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too.
>
> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display.
>
> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago?
>
> Is this something that can be included in  future releases of Window-eyes?
>
> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style
> keyboard on a Braille display.
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses
> that I would live and I beat that!  But now I am fighting cancer of the
> Prostate, Dam!
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger a. Behm, President
>
>
>   
>
> Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled
>
> Roger A. Behm, President
> 1611 Clover Lane
> Janesville WI 53545-1388
> Fax: 608-758-7898
> Voice: 608-758-0933
> Email: aist...@ameritech.net
> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>
> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).
>
> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
> 

RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Jeremy,

Please allow me to express my heartfelt wishes to you and your family for a 
peaceful and prosperous future.

As the Vulcans say, live long and prosper,, and, peace and long life,

Rod Hutton
>From Canada, your neighbours to the north :)

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to say thank you for all of the well wishes you have all been 
giving me.  I have seen a flood of correspondence both publicly, private email, 
and phone calls.  It really means a lot to me, and I am so honored to have 
served so many  people in such a positive way.  I have had so many that I have 
not been able to respond to all of them.  If I missed you, please accept this 
as a sincere "thank-you" from me personally.  I wish you all the absolute best!

Warm Regards,

Jeremy

-Original Message-
From: Micallef Michael at FITA [mailto:michael.mical...@gov.mt] 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:55 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; Jeremy Curry 
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Dear Jeremy,

>From the bottom of my heart Wish you Good Luck in your new career.

Meanwhile, excuse me if the following question is not related to window-eyes, 
but can someone enlight me how I can use NVDA with sa DECtalk Speech 
synthesizer. When WE totally dead, I wish to switch to NVDA completely, but one 
major problem that I have is that my ears are more used to hear the Dectalk 
Speech. Please write me privately so to do not clutter the list with unwanted 
messages.

Thanks and Kind Regards,





Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification 
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

Email:
Office:
URL:
FB:
michael.mical...@gov.mt  
+356 2599 2343
http://www.fitamalta.eu
http://on.fb.me/1hCRTAx

Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail











-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2016 11:14
To: 'Jeremy Curry'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Wow, how many more of our friendly helpers are left in the auction block?

Marc Solomon, gone!  Dan Weirich, retired; Jeremy Curry, gone!  Looks like
Aaron Smith might be next?

And when the battle is over, where's the new crown for Window-Eyes?  Guess
one won't be found in Fort Wayne or Jerusalem, but in Saint Petersburg!

Jeremy, thanks for your invaluable services!  I hope that somehow, those of
us whom you have helped through the ages will be able to stay in touch.
Fondest regards to your family, and the Good Lord bless and keep you as you
go.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Doug,

I'm not a braille user myself, but according to the documentation for the 
BrailleInput app:

https://www.gwmicro.com/App_Central/Apps/App_Details/?scriptid=1404

it offers "Contracted braille (partial support)."

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:18 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

Hello Roger,

Wow, it has been a long time.  I was not aware of your health issues but 
applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do 
with their odds (smile)!

Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input.  This is 
something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I 
thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage 
of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain.  
Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, 
I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with 
Window-Eyes.  I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core 
but have never gotten to it.  It is still on the wish list.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and
> Window-eyes 9.53.
>
> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with
> Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of
> Window-eyes.
>
> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a
> Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input
> from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all
> computer Braille only.
>
> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too.
>
> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display.
>
> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago?
>
> Is this something that can be included in  future releases of Window-eyes?
>
> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style
> keyboard on a Braille display.
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses
> that I would live and I beat that!  But now I am fighting cancer of the
> Prostate, Dam!
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger a. Behm, President
>
>
>   
>
> Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled
>
> Roger A. Behm, President
> 1611 Clover Lane
> Janesville WI 53545-1388
> Fax: 608-758-7898
> Voice: 608-758-0933
> Email: aist...@ameritech.net
> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>
> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).
>
> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
> hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
> Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
> it was around 1994 or 95.
>
> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
> October 1995.
>
> Doug
>
> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
>> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
>> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only 

Re: history of window eyes

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

   The first screen-reader that I used was ASAP written by Larry 
Skutchan.  This was another dos screen-reader that worked very well with 
word perfect 5.1 and some other programs.  Then Larry came out with a 
windows version of his screen-reader ASAW which worked with windows 3.1 and 
windows 95.
I started using Window-eyes 3.1 with windows 98 and I've been using it ever 
since.  I hope to keep using Window-eyes for many years to come.


Jeff Weiss


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:47 PM
To: David Goldfield ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Jeff Samco
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

Another one that some may remember a bit more than I do was Berkeley
Systems OutSpoken. If I remember correctly Berkeley Systems was sold to
the Alva people. I think it came out some time in 1994, so was written
for 3.1, and after that, I don't think it was any further developed

Anyway, I remember having a demo of that program, but didn't have much
in the way of software to play around with at the time, but I think it
read the interface reasonably well. No more than that I able to share
.

On 10/17/2016 10:52 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:

I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.

In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
more than a few years.

This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
locating it.



   David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:

Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
$3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.

Jeff

At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had
originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed
Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his
screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to
that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of the story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of
computers. They teamed up with Malcolm 

Re: history of window eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi!

I sure do! I used WP from 5.0 through 6.2 for dos and briefly ran WP7.0 
on a windows 98 system.  It just seemed to be easier to use for some 
reason.  Catch Ya All Later! de


.


On 18-Oct-16 00:36, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:

Many of us still miss word perfect.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, David Goldfield via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.

In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
more than a few years.

This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
locating it.



David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:

Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
$3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.

Jeff

At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had
originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed
Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his
screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to
that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of the story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of
computers. They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen
reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which
I bought and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a
macro program, and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in
there, Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer
Aids released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech
synthesizer that used the SSI-263 speech chip that was common in
those days. Dan Wyrick did major work on that project. Near that
time Bill Grimm died.
Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
It worked with Windows 3 and 

Re: history of window eyes

[Dave Basden via Talk]

My first screenreader was for the Apple II + and was written by 
Street Electronics to accompany their Echo II speech synthesizer.


Dave


At 06:47 AM 10/18/2016, you wrote:

My first screen reader was Artic Business Vision on a IBM ps2 model 30.

-Original Message- From: Grant Metcalf via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:27 PM
To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes


I finally remembered the DOS screen reader I used before WindowEyes. It was
Provox, written by Chuck Hallenbach. Truthfully, Grandpa DOS often wishes he
could go back to those good old days! Smile! I still have my version 7 copy
and just maybe I will do back.

Grant Metcalf A.K.A. Grandpa DOS
Email: the.g...@att.net


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RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Bill Tillery via Talk]

Hi Jeremy,

I just want to add my thanks for all that you have given in service to so
many of us.  Your genuine and warm teaching abilities have provided much
inspiration and success to so many.  I wish you continued success in your
new ventures. 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to say thank you for all of the well wishes you have all been
giving me.  I have seen a flood of correspondence both publicly, private
email, and phone calls.  It really means a lot to me, and I am so honored to
have served so many  people in such a positive way.  I have had so many that
I have not been able to respond to all of them.  If I missed you, please
accept this as a sincere "thank-you" from me personally.  I wish you all the
absolute best!

Warm Regards,

Jeremy

-Original Message-
From: Micallef Michael at FITA [mailto:michael.mical...@gov.mt] 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:55 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; Jeremy Curry 
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Dear Jeremy,

>From the bottom of my heart Wish you Good Luck in your new career.

Meanwhile, excuse me if the following question is not related to
window-eyes, but can someone enlight me how I can use NVDA with sa DECtalk
Speech synthesizer. When WE totally dead, I wish to switch to NVDA
completely, but one major problem that I have is that my ears are more used
to hear the Dectalk Speech. Please write me privately so to do not clutter
the list with unwanted messages.

Thanks and Kind Regards,





Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification 
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

Email:
Office:
URL:
FB:
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Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this
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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2016 11:14
To: 'Jeremy Curry'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Wow, how many more of our friendly helpers are left in the auction block?

Marc Solomon, gone!  Dan Weirich, retired; Jeremy Curry, gone!  Looks like
Aaron Smith might be next?

And when the battle is over, where's the new crown for Window-Eyes?  Guess
one won't be found in Fort Wayne or Jerusalem, but in Saint Petersburg!

Jeremy, thanks for your invaluable services!  I hope that somehow, those of
us whom you have helped through the ages will be able to stay in touch.
Fondest regards to your family, and the Good Lord bless and keep you as you
go.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: history of window eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

My first windows screen reader was Artic Winvision.  Yes I do like 
Window-Eyes, but I thought that Winvision was the easiest to configure 
on the fly as well as use straight from the box.  We have come along 
ways since then, and I really do appreciate the ease of use with W.E.  
My first and only DOS screen reader was called TinyTalk.  It was 
referred to as the poor man's screen reader since I only paid $75 for 
it. Just a bit of my history with screen readers.  Have a Good 1! de


.


On 18-Oct-16 10:54, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Window bridge was the first windows screenreader I got for my first 
windows computer, which was a Gateway 2000, with windows 98.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:52 PM
To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.

In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
more than a few years.

This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
locating it.



  David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:

Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
$3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.

Jeff

At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries. He had
originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed
Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his
screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to
that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of the story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of
computers. They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen
reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which
I bought and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a
macro program, and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in
there, Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer
Aids released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible 

Re: sound forge 10 app for window eyes

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Drew,

There's no app for Sound Forge 10. The app I wrote is for Sound Forge 11.

I check the Sound Forge version in the app and you should have gotten a 
notification that it wasn't compatible with an older version. But I just 
checked the code and it checks for version 9 or greater. The reason I 
did this is that it is possible to make it work with 9 or 10. But I 
forgot about it and didn't get around to adding all the extra code.


Sorry about that.

Tom


On 10/18/2016 10:51 AM, Drew Clark via Talk wrote:

taHi,

anyone has sound forge 10 app for window eyes? using the latest sound
forge 11 app with sound forge 10, it seems that window eyes doesn't
support it well.


Sent using window eyes.

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Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Hello Roger,

Wow, it has been a long time.  I was not aware of your health issues but 
applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do 
with their odds (smile)!

Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input.  This is 
something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I 
thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage 
of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain.  
Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, 
I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with 
Window-Eyes.  I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core 
but have never gotten to it.  It is still on the wish list.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and
> Window-eyes 9.53.
>
> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with
> Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of
> Window-eyes.
>
> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a
> Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input
> from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all
> computer Braille only.
>
> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too.
>
> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display.
>
> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago?
>
> Is this something that can be included in  future releases of Window-eyes?
>
> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style
> keyboard on a Braille display.
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses
> that I would live and I beat that!  But now I am fighting cancer of the
> Prostate, Dam!
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger a. Behm, President
>
>
>   
>
> Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled
>
> Roger A. Behm, President
> 1611 Clover Lane
> Janesville WI 53545-1388
> Fax: 608-758-7898
> Voice: 608-758-0933
> Email: aist...@ameritech.net
> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>
> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).
>
> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
> hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
> Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
> it was around 1994 or 95.
>
> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
> October 1995.
>
> Doug
>
> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
>> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
>> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
>> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm
>> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
>> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
>> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
>> reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
>> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
>> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
>> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> 

Re: history of window eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Window bridge was the first windows screenreader I got for my first windows 
computer, which was a Gateway 2000, with windows 98.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: David Goldfield via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:52 PM
To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.

In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
more than a few years.

This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
locating it.



  David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:

Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
$3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.

Jeff

At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had
originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed
Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his
screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to
that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of the story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of
computers. They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen
reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which
I bought and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a
macro program, and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in
there, Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer
Aids released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech
synthesizer that used the SSI-263 speech chip that was common in
those days. Dan Wyrick did major work on that project. Near that
time Bill Grimm died.
Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already
out and 

sound forge 10 app for window eyes

[Drew Clark via Talk]

taHi,

anyone has sound forge 10 app for window eyes? using the latest sound 
forge 11 app with sound forge 10, it seems that window eyes doesn't 
support it well.



Sent using window eyes.

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Re: history of window eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Oh, I loved wordperfekt.  I knew much more about that than I have ever 
learned about Microsoft word!  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jeff Samco via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:18 PM
To: Dave Basden ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
$3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing
Vocal-Eyes. I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to
use Word Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen
reader. I offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility.
Many screen reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.

Jeff

At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near Fresno 
where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader Vocal-Eyes 
and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally designed it for a 
fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially sighted.  I still see his 
name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm was then naming all his 
software releases Whatever-talk, so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer 
Aids, the program was renamed Screen Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over 
Computer Aids, he named his screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm 
had no objection to that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name 
had been used by Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows 
as, as you know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.


Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little of the 
story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids Corporation, 
to create software for the Apple II family of computers. They teamed up 
with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, 
which was released in 1985, which I bought and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk 
was linked with ProKey, a macro program, and its functionality was 
extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 
1988 Computer Aids released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech 
synthesizer that used the SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those 
days. Dan Wyrick did major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm 
died.
Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the 
new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the summer 
of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and JAWS for 
Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995. It worked with 
Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already out and had no 
screen reader support from anyone at first. Window-Eyes 2 was the first 
W-E version to support Windows 95, and came out in the spring of 1997, I 
think.
The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going way 
back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: history of window eyes

hi,

i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?

thanks


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Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have had one or two helpful customer service experiences with Freedom 
Science Fiction, but I can also remember calling to get help with my braille 
lite and getting a nasty person on the other end.  Eric Damery said, when I 
told him, that he wished I had gotten the people's names who were nasty.  I 
told him I was just so mad I just hung up, and I didn't call back for a long 
time.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:44 PM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes

Had similar experiences dealing with fs on the low vision hardware side of
customer service.  They customer service not so much.




On Monday, October 17, 2016, Nick Sarames via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get
help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need 
assistance.


On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  I
> don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device
> put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  The v
> a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about
> three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run
> down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called
> freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I
> wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they
> wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.
> It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order
> wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their
> "customer service" department, they still refused to help.  I threw the
> stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
> because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.
>
>
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
>  On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>
>> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its
>> shoddy practices built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>>  Hello list.
>>>
>>>  I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
>>>
>>>  Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it
>>> puts the
>>>  other screen reader into the useless category.
>>>
>>>  That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is
>>> for
>>>  the Apple products.
>>>
>>>  Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>>
>>>  The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
>>> sick.
>>>
>>>  Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands
and
>>>  other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
>>>
>>>  Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>>
>>>  Kenneth Son.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>> >  Hello list,
>>> > >  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on
>>> their web
>>> >  site.
>>> > >  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that
>>> they will
>>> >  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>>> >  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about
>>> Window-Eyes in >  my
>>> >  comments.
>>> > > > >  Regards, John
>>> > >  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>>> >  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>> > > > >  -Original Message-
>>> >  From: Talk
>>> >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley =
btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] >
>>> On
>>> >  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> >  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>>> >  To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> >  Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of
Window-Eyes
>>> > >  No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>>> >  around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>>> expect
>>> >  the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>>> when ai
>>> >  squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
>>> product
>>> >  and that you are a loyal user.
>>> > > > > >  On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>> > >  Hi all,
>>> > > > >  Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is
>>> wineyes going > >  to be
>>> > >  fazed out?
>>> > > > >  -Original Message-
>>> > >  From: Talk
>>> > >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris =
btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ]
>>> > > > >  On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>>> > >  Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>>> > >  To: bj colt via Talk
>>> > >  Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>> > > > >  Hello John,
>>> > > > >  I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know,
>>> there is
>>> > >  speculation that 

RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Jeremy Curry via Talk]

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to say thank you for all of the well wishes you have all been 
giving me.  I have seen a flood of correspondence both publicly, private email, 
and phone calls.  It really means a lot to me, and I am so honored to have 
served so many  people in such a positive way.  I have had so many that I have 
not been able to respond to all of them.  If I missed you, please accept this 
as a sincere "thank-you" from me personally.  I wish you all the absolute best!

Warm Regards,

Jeremy

-Original Message-
From: Micallef Michael at FITA [mailto:michael.mical...@gov.mt] 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:55 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; Jeremy Curry 
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Dear Jeremy,

>From the bottom of my heart Wish you Good Luck in your new career.

Meanwhile, excuse me if the following question is not related to window-eyes, 
but can someone enlight me how I can use NVDA with sa DECtalk Speech 
synthesizer. When WE totally dead, I wish to switch to NVDA completely, but one 
major problem that I have is that my ears are more used to hear the Dectalk 
Speech. Please write me privately so to do not clutter the list with unwanted 
messages.

Thanks and Kind Regards,





Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification 
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

Email:
Office:
URL:
FB:
michael.mical...@gov.mt  
+356 2599 2343
http://www.fitamalta.eu
http://on.fb.me/1hCRTAx

Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail











-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2016 11:14
To: 'Jeremy Curry'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Wow, how many more of our friendly helpers are left in the auction block?

Marc Solomon, gone!  Dan Weirich, retired; Jeremy Curry, gone!  Looks like
Aaron Smith might be next?

And when the battle is over, where's the new crown for Window-Eyes?  Guess
one won't be found in Fort Wayne or Jerusalem, but in Saint Petersburg!

Jeremy, thanks for your invaluable services!  I hope that somehow, those of
us whom you have helped through the ages will be able to stay in touch.
Fondest regards to your family, and the Good Lord bless and keep you as you
go.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Printing Envelopes

[David via Talk]

Barbra, and the rest.
I think what was refered to here, is the pure label printers. These, 
basically, have little to do with a standard printer, into which you 
feed a full size sheet of paper, holding several labels.

The dedicated label printers, are pretty much a modern version of the 
old-style Dymo-tape embossers. Main difference is that instead of 
embossing the characters on a heavy tape, the modern label printers 
simply prints on a strip of plastic tape. The printers typically can do 
something like two or three lines on a tape. You connect them directly 
to your computer, via an USB cable, and they will show up as a printer 
in your Windows. If you need more than a few lines for the address, you 
could always have it print two labels, one holding the name and street, 
the other holding the state/province and country. You can easily cut the 
tape for each label, by using the built-in cutter, so should be easy 
enough to peal and stick the two labels in the wanted position on the 
envelope.  Besides, now aday most postal services accept the address, 
even if it is written in only a couple of lines, so you will just print 
longer strips of tape, with a setup much like this:
 John Miller, 22 homebound Street,
 11201 New York, NY, Usa
You do all of this texting from within your text editor, and can just 
send it to the label printer, instead of your sheet printer. Then press 
the cutting lever on the label printer, peal and stick the label to the 
envelope, and you are good to go.

You could even print a long label, holding your full address and name, 
as the Sender, and have it printed in a number of copies, which you 
could stock for later usage.

Probably the most known brand of these tape label printers, would be the 
Brother P-Touch series. Try places like EBay, for good deals, or go to 
your local Walmart or computer store, and ask for having a hands-on 
touch of the printer. It is sized much like an old-time portable tape 
recorder, of the smaller size. Some of them even run on battery - 
standard AA size, so can easily be used for multi-site usage. Some of 
the Brother Printers, even come with a QWERTY keyboard, so you would not 
even need the computer, if you are steady enough a typist. Dymo also 
have their own models of these label printers.


Sure, you could get hold of full-sized label roll printers, that would 
be using label rolls, and could run several lines on each label. These 
might not be yet as portable, a bit harder to find, and might show up to 
be more expensive. Benefit of these latter ones, would be that you could 
print whole addresses on one and same label.

For your convenience, here is a few links to wet your apetite, found by 
a quick search on EBay. Prices ranging from aprox 30 dollars plus shipping:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/USB-Label-Maker-Laptop-Desktop-Computer-Sticker-Thermal-Printer-Office-Barcode-/282106936067?hash=item41aee23b03:g:B-cAAOSwIgNXjza9
or,
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Brother-P-Touch-PT-1230PC-Electronic-Labeller-Label-Printer-USB-connect-to-PC-/380218355322?hash=item5886c7ae7a:g:04cAAMXQyfFR-bds

Hope this would prove helpful.

David

On 10/18/2016 3:31 PM, Barbara via Talk wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Interesting idea.  I attempted printing labels many, many years ago and the
> results were not good.  Addresses did not appear where they were supposed
> to.  Labels came unglued from the sheet and stuck inside the printer.  I
> struggled to keep track of which label location was the designated location
> on the sheet of labels.  So.  If you can point me to where I can do this
> without grief, I am willing to consider labels.  Smile.
>
> Barbara
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:14 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: RE: Printing Envelopes
>
> Hi,
> How about a label printer where you can print out the labels and stick them
> on instead of printing directly to the envelopes.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:49 PM
> To: 'Barbara' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> 
> Subject: RE: Printing Envelopes
>
> Barbara, like you, I have a Canon printer.  It is a rather high-end one
> though used primarily at work.  I don't have a printer at home, although I
> am in dire need of one that's portable enough to stick in a laptop bag since
> I am always running after myself !  And I want to stay away from
> inkjets, I am tired and sick of having to buy inks every other day.
>
> I use Word 2007 still and I don't have problems printing envelopes.  I did
> have difficulties getting it inserted correctly, but, I 

Re: history of window eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

My first screen reader was Artic Business Vision on a IBM ps2 model 30.

-Original Message- 
From: Grant Metcalf via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:27 PM
To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes


I finally remembered the DOS screen reader I used before WindowEyes. It was
Provox, written by Chuck Hallenbach. Truthfully, Grandpa DOS often wishes he
could go back to those good old days! Smile! I still have my version 7 copy
and just maybe I will do back.

Grant Metcalf A.K.A. Grandpa DOS
Email: the.g...@att.net


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Re: history of window eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

When did Winvision from Artic come out?

-Original Message- 
From: David Goldfield via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 8:52 PM
To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.

In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
more than a few years.

This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
locating it.



  David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:

Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
$3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.

Jeff

At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had
originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed
Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his
screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to
that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of the story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of
computers. They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen
reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which
I bought and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a
macro program, and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in
there, Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer
Aids released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech
synthesizer that used the SSI-263 speech chip that was common in
those days. Dan Wyrick did major work on that project. Near that
time Bill Grimm died.
Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already
out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first.
Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to 

two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

[Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk]

Hi Doug,

I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and
Window-eyes 9.53.

If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with
Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of
Window-eyes.

I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a
Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input
from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all
computer Braille only.

I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too.

While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display.

Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago?

Is this something that can be included in  future releases of Window-eyes?

It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style
keyboard on a Braille display.

Thank you for your time!

I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses
that I would live and I beat that!  But now I am fighting cancer of the
Prostate, Dam!
  
Regards,

Roger a. Behm, President


 

Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President 
1611 Clover Lane 
Janesville WI 53545-1388 
Fax: 608-758-7898 
Voice: 608-758-0933 
Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).

Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked 
with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but 
Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with 
Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as 
Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and 
File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and 
several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding 
Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk 
portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).

In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely 
different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when 
Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which 
officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids 
in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as 
an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the 
hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW 
Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing 
Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did 
die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but 
it was around 1994 or 95.

We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in 
October 1995.

Doug

On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near 
> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader 
> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally 
> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially 
> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm 
> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when 
> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen 
> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen 
> reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that. 
> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by 
> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you 
> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>
> Dave
>
> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>> I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little 
>> of the story.
>> In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids 
>> Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers. 
>> They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS 
>> called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and 
>> used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program, 
>> and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray 
>> was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the 
>> Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the 
>> SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did 
>> major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
>> Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the 
>> new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
>> 

Re: Just a Cortana curiocity

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hi Rebecca,

And yes, I most often use, and have for years used your method for more 
sophisticated, and for those not so sophisticated searches. Just wanted 
to know if I happened to find the search results in Cortana particularly 
promising on some level if there was some way to freeze it into position 
so that I could avail myself of the info with more facility, so to 
speak. If not, no biggie.


As usual, thanks, and have a great day,

Larry

On 10/18/2016 7:22 AM, Rebecca Lineberger wrote:

Hi Larry,
I use the Cortana search from the Start menu if I want to start a program,
Disk cleanup, for example, or want to access a setting, or if I know the
exact file I want.  But if I want to browse through results, I open my
Documents or Music folder and press control f to  search.  It will bring up
all instances of a result, not just a few, and you can define your search by
all kinds of modifiers (name, date, size, etc,) that are not available in
the Start menu search.
The results will still be there after you open a file, allowing you to
browse through all 345 banana bread recipes you have stored in various
subfolders for example, or to see what songs you have with Sunshine in the
title, without starting a new search each time.
HTH.
Rebecca
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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 8:15 PM
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Subject: Just a Cortana curiocity

Does anyone know if it isn't possible to go back to focus on a search
after choosing one of the options in Cortana? There are times when I
would just like to choose more than one or more of them, but the box
disappears, and I have to type in the same thing over again in order to
explore or choose another.

Just wondering.
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Re: history of window eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Well, before vocal eyes, on my first dos computer, I had Artic vision.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Bob Hicks via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:58 PM
To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: history of window eyes

Yeas, I also had ScreenTalk before Window Eyes and I believe I used an Echo
synthesizer with it.

Best Regards,

Bob Hicks


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[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:53 AM
To: Drew Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: history of window eyes

Hi, Drew. While I believe we should not spend much more time on list for
this, I bought my first home computer frojm Computer Aids Corporation in
1989. It had ScreenTalk installed on it. I have used Vocal-Eyes and
Window-Eyes ever since.

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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: history of window eyes

hi,

i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it and
how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that interviews the g
and the w behind gw micro?

thanks


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RE: Printing Envelopes

[Barbara via Talk]

Hi Chris,

Interesting idea.  I attempted printing labels many, many years ago and the
results were not good.  Addresses did not appear where they were supposed
to.  Labels came unglued from the sheet and stuck inside the printer.  I
struggled to keep track of which label location was the designated location
on the sheet of labels.  So.  If you can point me to where I can do this
without grief, I am willing to consider labels.  Smile.

Barbara

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:14 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: Printing Envelopes

Hi,
How about a label printer where you can print out the labels and stick them
on instead of printing directly to the envelopes.


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[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:49 PM
To: 'Barbara' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Printing Envelopes

Barbara, like you, I have a Canon printer.  It is a rather high-end one
though used primarily at work.  I don't have a printer at home, although I
am in dire need of one that's portable enough to stick in a laptop bag since
I am always running after myself !  And I want to stay away from
inkjets, I am tired and sick of having to buy inks every other day.

I use Word 2007 still and I don't have problems printing envelopes.  I did
have difficulties getting it inserted correctly, but, I called Canon Tech
Support, explained the situation and, right on, they were extremely helpful!
Patiently, they explained to me how to lay the envelope inside the printer.
It was as if the support tech was standing next to me.  I'd therefore
suggest you call Canon Tech Support at:

800-652-2666 and follow the prompts.

On another list I frequent, I don't recall which one now amongst many,
someone posted info about an envelope printing program which I downloaded.
It's a ZIP file, hopefully not too big a file to send your way.  Sorry, I'm
not into DropBox, else I'd have placed it there.  

If you send me a private note, I'd be glad to search for this program file
and send it your way to play with.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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multi language switching in sapi

[Drew Clark via Talk]

Hi,

i  do use sapi 5 synthesizer since that synthesizer allows me to read 
arabic language. However, i have to do the switching manually, from 
english to arabic speech synthesizer. so, if i use sapi 5 for english 
and arabic, will window eyes be able to switch to arabic when it 
encounters arabic letter  and come back to english? the synthesizer is 
vocalizer sapi 5  and i use arabic and english, so same engine.



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Re: history of window eyes

[Drew Clark via Talk]

Hi,

thanks doug for responding.

that is what i want.



On 10/18/2016 9:15 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:

Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).

Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).

In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
it was around 1994 or 95.

We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
October 1995.

Doug

On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:

I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm
was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of the story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS
called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and
used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program,
and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray
was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the
Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the
SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did
major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already
out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first.
Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support Windows 95, and
came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going
way back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.


Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: history of window eyes

hi,

i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?

thanks


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Re: history of window eyes

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).

Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked 
with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but 
Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with 
Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as 
Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and 
File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and 
several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding 
Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk 
portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).

In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely 
different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when 
Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which 
officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids 
in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as 
an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the 
hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW 
Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing 
Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did 
die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but 
it was around 1994 or 95.

We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in 
October 1995.

Doug

On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near 
> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader 
> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally 
> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially 
> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm 
> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when 
> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen 
> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen 
> reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that. 
> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by 
> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you 
> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>
> Dave
>
> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>> I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little 
>> of the story.
>> In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids 
>> Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers. 
>> They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS 
>> called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and 
>> used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program, 
>> and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray 
>> was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the 
>> Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the 
>> SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did 
>> major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
>> Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the 
>> new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
>> The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the 
>> summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and 
>> JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995. 
>> It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already 
>> out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first. 
>> Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support Windows 95, and 
>> came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
>> The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going 
>> way back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.
>>
>>
>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> -Original Message- From: Drew Clark via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: history of window eyes
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
>> and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
>> interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
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RE: Mapping custom fields in outlook 2016

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Kenneth,

A couple of years ago, when I had to switch to Outlook from TB, I bought a 
converter for my email since no direct conversion was possible.
Here's the link to what I bought, it cost me about thirty Canadian, and it was 
very accessible.
I do believe contacts are migrated as well, although it's been a while and so 
I'm not certain.
It's worth checking out here:

http://www.aid4mail.com/email-migration

Good luck,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Kenneth Son via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:19 AM
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Subject: Mapping custom fields in outlook 2016

Hello to the list.

This is a little on the urgent side as I need to import contacts into 
Outlook 2016 from another csv file.

This csv file is from the Thunderbird addressbook and I need to line up 
the right fields so the names and email addresses will import properly.

In the import process, how do I map the custom fields using Window Eyes?

I can not seem to find a way to set the fields or map the fields 
correctly when attempting to set up the custom fields.

Thank you.

Kenneth Son.


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RE: Just a Cortana curiocity

[Rebecca Lineberger via Talk]

Hi Larry,
I use the Cortana search from the Start menu if I want to start a program,
Disk cleanup, for example, or want to access a setting, or if I know the
exact file I want.  But if I want to browse through results, I open my
Documents or Music folder and press control f to  search.  It will bring up
all instances of a result, not just a few, and you can define your search by
all kinds of modifiers (name, date, size, etc,) that are not available in
the Start menu search.
The results will still be there after you open a file, allowing you to
browse through all 345 banana bread recipes you have stored in various
subfolders for example, or to see what songs you have with Sunshine in the
title, without starting a new search each time. 
HTH.
Rebecca
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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 8:15 PM
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Subject: Just a Cortana curiocity

Does anyone know if it isn't possible to go back to focus on a search 
after choosing one of the options in Cortana? There are times when I 
would just like to choose more than one or more of them, but the box 
disappears, and I have to type in the same thing over again in order to 
explore or choose another.

Just wondering.
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RE: Printing Envelopes

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
How about a label printer where you can print out the labels and stick them on 
instead of printing directly to the envelopes.


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On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Printing Envelopes

Barbara, like you, I have a Canon printer.  It is a rather high-end one though 
used primarily at work.  I don't have a printer at home, although I am in dire 
need of one that's portable enough to stick in a laptop bag since I am always 
running after myself !  And I want to stay away from inkjets, I am tired 
and sick of having to buy inks every other day.

I use Word 2007 still and I don't have problems printing envelopes.  I did have 
difficulties getting it inserted correctly, but, I called Canon Tech Support, 
explained the situation and, right on, they were extremely helpful!
Patiently, they explained to me how to lay the envelope inside the printer.
It was as if the support tech was standing next to me.  I'd therefore suggest 
you call Canon Tech Support at:

800-652-2666 and follow the prompts.

On another list I frequent, I don't recall which one now amongst many, someone 
posted info about an envelope printing program which I downloaded.
It's a ZIP file, hopefully not too big a file to send your way.  Sorry, I'm not 
into DropBox, else I'd have placed it there.  

If you send me a private note, I'd be glad to search for this program file and 
send it your way to play with.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Casper 10 and WE

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Hi, Nevil.  Am using Casper 10,  and, in my opinion, it doesn't seem to 
be as accessible as Version 8.  Am also having trouble backing up from 
Windows 10 Anniversary to my external USB 3.0 drive; don't understand 
why.  Will check again and confirm.--Matthew Chao





On 10/17/2016 10:27 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,


Using: W10 64 bit anniversary  and latest WE

Currently using Casper 8.0 but thinking of upgrading to version 10 and 
wondering how accessible it is with the latest WE.



Also, I am having difficulties making the system boot from a usb 3.0 
external drive containing  a copy of the C drive partition. Is this 
easier under Casper 10?


Thanks
Neville.

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Mapping custom fields in outlook 2016

[Kenneth Son via Talk]

Hello to the list.

This is a little on the urgent side as I need to import contacts into 
Outlook 2016 from another csv file.


This csv file is from the Thunderbird addressbook and I need to line up 
the right fields so the names and email addresses will import properly.


In the import process, how do I map the custom fields using Window Eyes?

I can not seem to find a way to set the fields or map the fields 
correctly when attempting to set up the custom fields.


Thank you.

Kenneth Son.


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