Re: OT - Question For Ham Operators

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Never can remember which goes where, so I put the word subscribe in both 
the subject as well as the body of the message and it generally works 
for me. Good Luck and Have A Good 1! de


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On 17-Nov-19 12:08, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
I keep trying to subscribe but I get no response. Am I supposed to put 
the word subscribe in the subject line or in the text? Am I supposed 
to take out the tag in my text?


-Bob Ringwald K6YBV


-Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 12:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: OT - Question For Ham Operators

There are more than 300 people on the blind-hams listserv on 
groups.io. This

list goes back to the mid-90's, when it was on stjohns.edu, then on
icors.org. The moderator, K8SP, has to approve the first message you 
post to

the list; after that you can post without being moderated. We discuss all
sorts of things: VHF, HF, contesting, learning CW, digital mobile radio,
nostalgia, etc.
To subscribe, go to
blind-hams+subscr...@groups.io
And I use Window-Eyes to do a lot of contest logging.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD

-Original Message- From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 11:16 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: OT - Question For Ham Operators

Any hams using remotehams program?

Is there an email list for blind hams?

   Since this is not a Window-eyes question, please answer off list to
r...@ringwald.com


Bob Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV
www.ringwald.com
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Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Bernie!

Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never 
looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't shown 
me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a good 
reason.  I have been very happy with my Android phones and will probably 
stay with them for the immediate future!  Just My 2-Sense worth! Have A 
Good 1! de


On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with
high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular
network.  As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to
learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback.  In fact,
when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave
considerable thought about what I should do.  I considered switching to
the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in
the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such
screenreradrs.  So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be,
finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating
system creator. There are three choices:  MS narrator, Apple
Voiceover,and Android Talkback.  I played around with voiceover but I
was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou
know how expensive they have become.  So, that left Android and there
are many phones in all price ranges that you can use.  I bought a very
inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use
Talkback.  I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I
would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment.  But, I was
surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard
first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen.  Actually,
Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading
about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved.  I
bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back.  I coud go
on but probably by now you have had enough.  But, if you have any other
questions, let me know.  Bernie

On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it?

Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is
off-topic.

-Bob Ringwald
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Re: JAWS question

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

When I unload Jaws and wish to restart it, I simply press the 'windows 
key' or the 'CTRL-Escape' and type the word Jaws and press enter.  This 
will restart the program for you.  I do not have enough experience with 
Jaws to know whether or not there is some sort of hot key you can 
press.  Hope this helps and Good Luck! de


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On 02-Dec-18 15:08, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:

Hello again!   Another question.
If insert-f4 unloads Jaws so there is no voice, how can I get the 
voice to speak again?  In W-E it was so easy to bring the voice back.  
Thanks in advance for help.


Norene



-Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS 
key is

the Insert key.
A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
action.
Insert-T: Read title bar.
Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in 
Window-Eyes.

Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
six-pack that are to the left of it.
Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what 
the

current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you 
will be

productive.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it 
is.

Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom? It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus. Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:


Hi Kevin,

Yes, that is possible.

The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
%appdata%
Here you find a folder freedom scientific
In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
folder to the same location on the other computer.
I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
jaws will not lock files.

Regards, Marten


On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
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> Hi:
>
> My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to 
another?

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Re: JAWS question

[Jim via Talk]

i there!

If your  using gMail with an internet client such as I.E or Firefox 
Etc.  when I am through composing my message I simply press the tab key 
until I hear send message or something to that affect.  I generally use 
Thunderbird so don't as a rule use the actual gMail program.  Hope this 
helps..! Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de


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On 02-Aug-18 10:57, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
Hi,  Wonder if you can help me.  I am using gmail now which is quite 
simple, but after composing an email, what is the key stroke to send 
it? Gmail reminds me of outlook express.  Maybe someone else on the 
list knows the answer.  Thanks.


Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS 
key is

the Insert key.
A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
action.
Insert-T: Read title bar.
Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in 
Window-Eyes.

Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
six-pack that are to the left of it.
Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what 
the

current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you 
will be

productive.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it 
is.

Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom? It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus. Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:


Hi Kevin,

Yes, that is possible.

The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
%appdata%
Here you find a folder freedom scientific
In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
folder to the same location on the other computer.
I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
jaws will not lock files.

Regards, Marten


On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
 wrote:


> Hi:
>
> My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to 
another?

> Kevin Huber
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Re: JAWS question

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

If your  using gMail with an internet client such as I.E or Firefox 
Etc.  when I am through composing my message I simply press the tab key 
until I hear send message or something to that affect.  I generally use 
Thunderbird so don't as a rule use the actual gMail program.  Hope this 
helps..! Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de


.
On 02-Aug-18 10:57, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
Hi,  Wonder if you can help me.  I am using gmail now which is quite 
simple, but after composing an email, what is the key stroke to send 
it? Gmail reminds me of outlook express.  Maybe someone else on the 
list knows the answer.  Thanks.


Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS 
key is

the Insert key.
A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
action.
Insert-T: Read title bar.
Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in 
Window-Eyes.

Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
six-pack that are to the left of it.
Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what 
the

current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you 
will be

productive.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it 
is.

Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom? It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus. Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:


Hi Kevin,

Yes, that is possible.

The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
%appdata%
Here you find a folder freedom scientific
In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
folder to the same location on the other computer.
I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
jaws will not lock files.

Regards, Marten


On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
 wrote:


> Hi:
>
> My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to 
another?

> Kevin Huber
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Re: JAWS question

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

You know you can still use the old fashion way, placing the highlighting 
on the first letter holding down the shift key pressing the desired 
arrow key and the pressing CTRL+C to copy and then you can simply paste 
it anywhere you wish with the CTRL+V.  Just thought I would let you know 
that the old fassion way still works fine with Jaws , Narator or NVDA.  
Catch Ya Later de


.


On 23-May-18 23:13, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk wrote:

And, 400 keystrokes to boot to get a simple task done; here's an example of
such task:

With Window-Eyes, selecting a long passage or even a short one involves a
press of the F8 key.  When the desired text has been selected, press F8
again and choose between copying the selected text with all formatting
retained, or simply copying to the Clipboard with Alt-C.

Now, let's do the same task using Jaws:

1.  Start with a press of Control-Windows-K to set a place marker
2.  Next, select all the text you wish to copy and pray that it selects
everything without a hitch
3.  Now, with your preferred text selected, press Insert-Space, then M
4.  One gets to know that the entire text has been selected
5.  Now, press Control-C to Copy the selected text to the Clipboard.

'Ouch, why is a simple task so complicated?  Ask Jaws and good luck if you
get an answer!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re:

[Jim via Talk]

    What?


On 02-Mar-18 19:52, Don Smith via Talk wrote:
  


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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Jim via Talk]

    I was also     I agree, I was also using Window-Eyes with Jaws 
flawlessly until just recently when I got a new 1 TB HD and I haven't 
re-installed W.E. yet.  I was using the 2 together just as described 
above.  You can use W.E. until it no longer works which is what 
it sounds to me that a lot of you are doing.  Good Luck and Have a Good 
1! de


.


On 22-Feb-18 20:43, net bat via Talk wrote:

you don't have to stop useing  window eyes .
both can co exist fine.
all i have to do is unload window eyes and then load jaws when i want 
to work with it.

or set it so jaws will load on bootup instead.
jaws can be unloaded with insert or capslock and f4 keys
you can change the jaws key from the insert key to the capslock key 
two ways.

by changeing to the laptop layout.
or if useing the desktop layout you can go to the settings center then 
to keyboard and insert keys i think its called and change between the 
insert or capslock key for the jaws key.




-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied. I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:

Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day one.


I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.


My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.


I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather expensive.
Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or you
also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes another
cost that requires budget juggling.


On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

    I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
good in NVDA.
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Re: Version Question

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Patricia!

Try pressing the windows key, followed by the keystrokes, w i n v e r.  
Your screen reader should give you the version number a long with some 
information on when it was released.  Good Luck & Have A Good 1!de


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On 03-Jan-18 14:30, Patricia Krinke via Talk wrote:

 Good afternoon,

How can I tell which version of Windows I have?

I did have Windows 7 but did try to install Windows 10.  However, nothing seems 
to have changed and I didn’t notice anything when I tried to install Windows 10.

Thank you,


Trish
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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Jim via Talk]

Hi THERE!

While I agree that Jaws could do more especially now that they have 
acquired Window-Eyes I haven't had a real issue with Jaws.  I can read 
from the current line to the end of a document simply by pressing the 
'insert+the down arrow key.  I wonder what programs you are actually 
having issues with using Jaws? Yes, I use W.E. for many years and was 
sad to see it go, but I haven't really found any major issues with Jaws 
either. Wonder if you might give some specifics as to where your issues 
have been? I use Thunderbird, Office 2007 notepad, Internet Explorer, 
Firefox, Chrome  and several other programs regularly and I really don't 
seem to have any real problems with.  Of course, I kept Window-Eyes on 
my computer a long with Narrator and NVDA so if I have issues with one 
screen reader I can fall back onto another that will more than likely 
work.  As I have already said, I probably liked Window-Eye the best of 
all of them, but since Window-Eyes appears to be gone for the most part, 
I will simply have to make do with whatever I can use and the best of 
the remaining screen readers is still Jaws at least that is my opinion 
and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  I will continue 
to use Window-Eyes when I need to, at least until the windows updates 
render it unusable.  Have A good 1! de


.s


On 10-Oct-17 15:00, Charles Adkins via Talk wrote:

it doesn’t seem like they affect products for the disabled does it?

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Tony C via Talk  wrote:

No, but maybe Brainwashed. I quit using Jawws in 2004 because WE worked better 
with stuff I needed. Now Jaws still doesn't work well with a lot of very common 
programs.

-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even
some here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues
and some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on
Jaws.  Of course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving
the overall stability of each reader.


On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: contacting Doug.

[Jim via Talk]

Pam, I am not currently a  member, but I have a friend who is and he 
told me just the other day that as far as he knows the NFB has never 
endorced any product over an other and like you has been a member for 
quite a few years.  Just my observations. Catch Ya Later! de


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On 19-Aug-17 06:35, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
People keep saying that they did.  I have been in the NFB since 1975, 
and I have never heard anything like this.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 7:41 PM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

My thoughts...

I thought the NFB was supposed to help blind people - surprised they
would sell out to a single screen reader, especially an inferior one.

aaron smithwas at VFO as Enterprise Compliance specialist.  I don't
think VFO gave us Jaws because they wanted to, they may have had to
legally for some reason.  wonder if aaron is still there or if he left
with Doug.  I think he lived in Ft. Wayne so I'm thinking he worked
remotely until he was no longer needed.

I suspect there are some folks that are still in contact with doug - if
so, please convey my, and probably all listers, appreciation to him.  It
would have been nice if Doug had said goodbye on this list, but I
suspect that would have stirred things up again.

I think Jaws has a better chance of survival because it has better
financial backing and a more diversified product line.  I really feel
Hims did GW in after using GW to enter the U.S. market then going off on
their own. I took a training class at GW when GW was working with Hims
to develop and market the booksense and the folks at GW were so
pleased/excited about this product.

All that being said, it never hurts to have multiple tools in the
toolbox so I will learn jaws eventually. I just can't think in Jaws very
well yet.

I think I covered everything I wanted in response to the emails in this
thread.
Brenda



On 8/17/2017 2:45 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Hear is why I say Jaws is going nowhere. 1 state agencies and government
contracts.  2 it's better than any other screen reader currently in
development.  3 NFB.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
ratshtron via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:50 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: ratshtron
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

hmmm, if you can't beat the competition, kill it! I believe I'm going to
switch to apple, BIG GRIN!


Legend has it that on Wednesday 8/16/2017 08:02 PM, Olusegun --
Victory Associates LTD, said:

Well, Michael, I once opined that the war Freedom Scientific could 
not win

in the courts, was well fought and won outside; with its cohorts and

coterie

of friends, it succeeded in drowning the boat!

The merger with AI Square came to me as a surprise; I didn't want to 
see it

happen, but what voice do I have?

I long for the day when all these adaptive equipment
developers/manufacturers can TRADE THEIR STOCKS publicly; may be, 
just may
be, they'll have better stability!  Now, we keep our eyes on the 
sparrow,

Jaws may be taking its last breath as the venture capitalists will soon
squash its fins!  Then it'll be Apple and Google to fill the void at 
least

here in the United States!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Office 365

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Folks!

Someone sent me a link that I could use to subscribe to Office 365.  I 
was wondering if someone could resend it since I cannot seem to find 
it..? Thanks Much! de


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Re: future use of WE

[Jim via Talk]

HI Pam!

I was waiting on a Jaws authorization via eMail and finally got tired of 
waiting and called the company and a rep gave me the info on the phone 
and I had everything up and running in no time at all.  You might try 
calling them..! I presently have jaws, W.E., narator and NVDA on my 
system and have no trouble with any of them.  Good Luck! & Have A Great 
Day! de


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On 02-Jul-17 15:26, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Pam,

If you are able, it wouldn't hurt to give them a call, if you're eager to get 
going.
And, who knows, you may have been lost in the crowd.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: July 2, 2017 2:59 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: future use of WE

That's what I'm doing.  I'm waiting for the authorization from Jaws.  But I
am still mostly going to use window eyes.  But I will use jaws, too.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 2:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future use of WE

Hi all. One thing to keep in mind is that for those of you who choose to
hold out until the very last second that WE stops working, you will be
more frustrated when it's yanked out from under you and you are caught
unprepared. this could easily be a situation where you need to get
things done and now you are fighting with learning another screen reader
cold turkey. If you take the approach of starting to get comfortable
with Jaws or another screen reader, you can still use WE until it
doesn't work any more, then you will have a less stressful time switching.

I hope this makes sense.


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Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
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David Thornburg

On 6/30/2017 3:13 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

The operative words are "just may stop:" hasn't happened yet.  Until it
does or until window-eyes doesn't do what I wwant, I'll keep using it. I
don't have windows ten and run xp and seven.  I wil go to n v d a if
necessary.  I've actually got some dos boxes I built up and still run
vocal-eyes, needed to program some radios.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Don H via Talk wrote:


I have been a WE user for over 20 years and always felt it was the best
screen reader.  Now with no more development I have to realize that the
next major release of Win 10 just may stop WE dead in its tracks.  As I
recall in the past every new release of Windows required an update to WE
to make WE work with it.  So now if you plan on using WE well into the
future you are probably going to have to avoid any future major Windows
upgrades.  Is that a bad thing who knows.
I am finding that NVDA does a pretty good job with very few things it
doesn't do as well as WE.  I did take up VFO's offer of a free copy of
Jaws and am using it as my secondary screen reader.  If you plan on
staying with a Windows based computer I don't understand why you would
not take the free copy of Jaws.  Actually the Jaws SMA's are less
expensive than the WE SMA's I had purchased in the past.


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Re: Reenabling the Thunderbird App

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Scott and Group!

The battery has never been much of an issue with me, and I agree that 
the time and energy should be placed in phone improvements.  I guess 
they could make higher capacity batteries, that would elliminate the 
need for replaceable batteries, but I really do not think this is a real 
issue.  Just my opinion.


Have A Good 1! de
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On 26-Jun-17 11:30, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Hi, Folks.  Yes, there are some Window-Eyes holdouts, so here goes.  I 
reinstalled the Enhanced Thunderbird app for WE. Am using Version 
9.5.4.  How do I get this app to associate with Mozilla Thunderbird? 
Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: Does anyone know?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Do you have a phone number? I had a similar issue, and I ended up 
calling them a day or two later and the young lady I spoke with helped 
me through the activation process.  If you need the number I can find it 
and send it a long.  Good Luck and Have A Good 1! de


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On 13-Jun-17 00:15, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
   I suggest you call them. When I called them, they admitted that 
some of the activation e-mails weren't going out. They sent mine while 
I was on the phone. I didn't have to wait long before my call was 
answered.


-Original Message- From: Richard Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 8:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Does anyone know?

Hello all, I went through the steps to migrate to jaws and got an email
but there is no instructions on where to download or if there is a
activation code.  What do I need to do to get jaws?  It has been almost
a month since I gave my info and still no answer from whoever is
responsible.  Thanks for any help.  Rick
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Re: question for the wizards

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

I no longer use W.E. but if you try the CTRL+\ and exit window-eyes and 
then restart it this might take care of your issue.  I no when I had 
issues such as that, this method would work most of the time.  Good Luck 
And Have A Great Day! de


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On 01-Jun-17 08:48, Don Smith via Talk wrote:

Morning all

I am running we latest and last bersion

Running windows 7

All had been working great and out of the blue, I kept getting the message,
not in detailed biew

  


I could not do anything.

I had shortcuts on the desktop and when I pressed w for word, it came back
no wirelss

I pushed c for hard drive and it  said calendar

And every thing I tried, it kept saying not in detailed view.

I know you can set your folders in detail or list, but, this was not it

I could get into the we control panel but did not know what to look for.

I kept shutting down and restarting, but, the same thing kept happening.

  


Well all day pushing and pressing to no avail

So later in day I started the computer again and lo and b behold, it was ok
again.

So, what did I do, and if it happens again, how do I fix it

  


Go for it wizards, (smile)

Don

  

  


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Re: To fellow BECKY! users

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Don!

Was wondering if you might be able to provide me with step by step 
instructions on how to set up filters using Thunderbird? I have tried 
several times just to wind up with my messages in both the folders I set 
up as well as in several other folders.  I guess I am asking is it 
possible to filter my messages into just a single mailbox?  You can 
respond to me privately if you wish  at wohlg...@gmail.com.  Thanks Much! de


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On 30-May-17 15:40, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Although I really like the Becky email program, I continue to use 
Thunderbird as my email client of choice for one primary reason.  I 
receive email from a number of high traffic list and also some low 
traffic lists as well. I have set up folders for each high traffic 
list and another folder for the low traffic lists.  I have thus far 
not figured out how to filter these messages into the appropriate 
folder with Becky whereas doing so with Thunderbird works great.  If 
you Mike or anyone else could provide a step by step example of how to 
do this, I would probably use Becky as the email client of choice.



Don Roberts



On 5/30/2017 9:18 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

Hi.
I use Becky with Jaws and it works fine.  Here's some info I have on 
CC and BCC.


CC and BCCC

Bring up new message.
Select name.
tab to CC or BCCC
Hit alt-C or alt-B.

select name and hit enter.

To  bring up these to make visible  bring up new message and hit 
control - down arrow twice


Open the new message and hit control-down arrow twice.





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On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:52:17 -0500
Martha via Talk  wrote:


Hi.

1. Has anyone tried using BECKY! with JFW yet?  If so, how did it go?

2. Besides using nicknames in BECKY!, what are the steps and keystrokes
to select multiple recipients of a new composed message?  I'm used to
Outlook Express where I could be in the address book, arrow to a name
and press alt and "the letter t" to add a name to the "To" line, alt 
and

"the letter c" to
add the selected name to the "CC:" line, or alt and  the letter "b" to
add the selected name to the "BCC" line.  Is there a BECKY! way to do
this?

Since this is not specific to Window-Eyes, please respond to me 
off-list

at
mrea...@comcast.net

Thanks.

Martha


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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

I made the switch from W.E. to jaws about a week or so ago, and for the 
most part have had little or no issues at all with the switch over.  
Yes, I did have to learn and memorize a few new key combinations, but 
memorizing is extremely easy for me.  Not certain of exactly 
what it is that folks have to learn that is more than memorizing some 
new keystrokes..?  Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de .




On 30-May-17 13:19, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:

Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique issues
of controls and content  of applications beyond Microsoft and known
applications.  This doesn't really affect the typical user though so there
is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning curve.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

 Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and
Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for

some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to
learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are

acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world
program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as
you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would
already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to
bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to
whinners.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have
any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not
so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.

-Original Message-
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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Re: move to jaws

[Jim via Talk]

Well, I have 4 screen readers on my computer: Jaws, NVDA, Narator and 
Window-Eyes.  I have had Jaws and window-Eyes running at the same time, 
but no more than  2 at a time!. Catch Ya Later! de


.


On 29-May-17 00:32, David Moore via Talk wrote:

Hi Olusegun!
I am putting a demo of Window Eyes on my computer right now LOL! It has Windows 
10 Creators update LOLOL! I have NVDA, JAWS, Narrator, and now, a demo of 
Window Eyes LOL!
I better watch my computer LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:17 AM
To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: move to jaws

Marvin, watch out!  I may just come kidnap your computer, !  And that's
because you have all three screen readers!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Message numbers in particular mailboxes?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Folks!

It seem as though after deleting messages from particular boxes, the 
message number doesn't seem to change. For example, I have a box called 
important.  Let say there is 100 messages in this box and I decide to 
delete 20 of them. When I shift tab back to the important box Jaws  
still reports there are 100 messages in this box.  I frequently empty 
and compress the trash boxes so I don't believe this is an actual 
issue.  Does anyone know what I might try to get the correct number of 
messages in each of my boxes?  Thanks much! de


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ZoomText Fusion?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there folks!

Was wondering what the cost of Zoom text  or Zoom text fusion is? I do 
have some usable vision, and would like to give fusion a try.  Is there 
a trial version of this program? THANKS! de


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Re: Jaws and desktop

[Jim via Talk]

Nk there GUYS!

I just tried both the 'windows+d as well as the 'windows+m' and they 
both minimized the current program.  So I guess you both are correct! 
Just thought I would let you know.  Catch Ya Later! de .



On 26-May-17 12:21, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I was taught that it was exactly the opposite of what you say.  That 
windows key minimizes things when you go to the desktop, and windows 
key doesn't. Pam.


-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:24 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

the correct key is windows d. not windows m. windows m will not 
minimize things
like dialog boxes that may be opened in a program. windows d will 
minimize

everything.

-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:37 AM
To: Neville via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

Try using windows key M to get back to the desktop.

On 5/26/2017 12:03 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Just authorized the latest copy of Jaws and very much a learner.

When exiting a programme, say Thundrbird, or exiting a drive for the 
Desktop, ,after pressing alt F4 Jaws goes quiet. The pressing of 
Windows d once or twice is required to place focus back on the Desktop.


Is this annoying behaviour normal for Jaws or do I need to change 
some setting somewhere?  If so, which setting and where?



Thanks
Neville.

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Re: Might be useful for new JAWS users

[Jim via Talk]

Thanks very Much for that tid-bit of information, I find it to be 
extremely useful! Thanks Again! de


.


On 24-May-17 07:35, John Covici via Talk wrote:

Is there a way to click on the objects you find?  Can you navigate by
text on the screen somehow?

On Wed, 24 May 2017 04:41:46 -0400,
Martin Brown via Talk wrote:

I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its usability.
Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I find the
JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about useless. Instead, I
now invoke the touch curser which I find will get me to information not
available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  curser. To enable the touch
curser, hold down the shift key and press the numpad plus key. You can then
move up and down through the information using the left and right arrow
keys, or if you prefer, by using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the
touch curser mode, simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
Martin

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Re: May this end the deadthread; I have spoken!

[Jim via Talk]

You know the saying, The More The Merrier, I just added a few extra 
words to that phrase, The more Screen readers one has on their 
system the merrier the  system is! .  I find that if one doesn't 
work  I can generally get another to function.  Just my 2-sense worth 
whatever that might be worth these days! Have A Good 1! de


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On 21-May-17 08:14, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

Amen.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Sun, 21 May 2017 00:00:44 -0500
Linette Sukup via Talk  wrote:



I have a copy of the most recent version of Window-Eyes. It is in my computer. 
I am using it to write this. I can also go to Web pages and other programs 
where it is also useful.
It is working. It contains no viruses, nonsensical key combos, or upgrades 
which require payment through one's nasal cavity.
So let's hush about WE being dead or alive. When it cannot be used at all, then 
it is well and truly dead.

Peace.
Linette

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reminder please?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Can someone please remind me what the JAWS key is? I have not remapped 
anything so it should still be the default setting.  Much Thanks! de


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Re: they're quick to take your money

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there FOLKS!

Nottocertainofwhatthisdiscussionaboutalicenseis,Icalledandtalkedtosomeoneandshegavemeaserialnumberonthephone,andIentereditandawayIwent.Noissuessincethen!Wonderwhhysomepeoplearehavingissueswiththelicense?GoodLuckAnd73de.


On 20-May-17 11:20, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
On Monday I made the migration to Jaws. Tuesday I received a call from 
VFO and was told I'd be sent my license within the next few days. I 
was also asked if I wanted to purchase a MSA for 120 dollars which I 
declined at the monet as I wasn't around my Brailles credit info, and 
told him I'd get back to him on the SMA. Yesterday, I called and 
purchased the SMA. I also mentioned I still hadn't received my license 
info and was told they would sent it right away. Well today I received 
my receipt and still no license for the product.

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Re: windows status?

[Jim via Talk]

Thanks very much for all the useful info, I am learning this JAWs  whole 
lot faster than what I thought I would! Thanks Again! de


.


On 19-May-17 15:22, Bob Hicks via Talk wrote:

If you mean the state of the window, you need to turn the Jaws cursor
on(minus key on the numpad)(mouse mode) and hit Jaws key(0 on the numpad)
and r.  In the Jaws cursor mode, the window states will cycle thru the
different modes.


Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: windows status?

I read something that indicated that it is numpad insert plus the numpad
page down key, but for me, that only reads the status if I am in something
like file explorer.

In Thunderbird, I always used it to see how many emails were not yet read.
In Jaws, it does not say anything.  I might be missing something, i.e.,
maybe it should be set as the default for all programs or something.

Carol


On 5/19/2017 1:40 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Was wondering if there is a keystroke that I can use to give me the
status of windows such as there was with Window-Eyes? Thanks Much! de

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Re: window eyes shut down and start up sounds how to save those.

[Jim via Talk]

Nick, don't know what you have set on your system, but I do have a sound 
set up when I start or restart my computer.  Not certain of where you go 
to turn them on, but I bet there is someone on this list that could 
probably tell you.  Good Luck! de


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On 19-May-17 13:23, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Does Windows have iwts own sounds as well?

On 5/19/2017 12:50 PM, Sue J. Ward via Talk wrote:

   Hello. Since I don't know if Jaws does have a start up and shut down
sound how do I save the window eyes shut down and start up sounds so I
maybe could use them with jaws? I like those, cause if I need to use
NVDA for something, then after am done with using NVDA I would have to
exit NVDA then start up jaws again I want to at least save a sound or
something so I can tell what is going on whenever I load or unload jaws.
I have not migrated to jaws as of yet, but it sounds easy and different
at the same time. Hope there will be more podcasts out for us window
eyes users so we can get used to jaws.

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windows status?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there FOLKS!

Was wondering if there is a keystroke that I can use to give me the 
status of windows such as there was with Window-Eyes? Thanks Much! de


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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

I hate to tell you this, but if you believe that Trump is any more 
honest than Hillary is then I can sell you some prime ocean front 
property in Topeka KS!. Have A Good 1! de


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On 19-May-17 01:45, David Moore via Talk wrote:

That is funny about Trump LOL!
Well, I always say that even intelligent people believe what they hear way too 
much without searching it for themselves. It has always amazed me just how 
gullible people really are LOL! People give money to crazy diets and the like. 
You can learn more concerning just about anything just by researching it 
yourself. You can save a lot of money. I found out about free NVDA screen 
reader, and I use it half of the time, now, with JAWS, but I am using JAWS less 
and less. Thinking with the Brain God gave you sure pays off sometimes LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Shannon via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:52 PM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Thanks for that! I had to laugh at the Hillary comment. And I'm not taking it 
offensively or any other way just thought it was funny.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Loy via Talk  wrote:

Window Eyes is not dead, it was resurrected in the form of JAWS. And some 
people still think that Hillary was honest and upright.
  - Original Message -
  From: Peter Duran via Talk
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
  Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!


  Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But, 
why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks figure 
that out for yourselves?

  That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as 
well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?

  Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good job” 
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and that 
Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

  It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately 
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will believe 
“crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.

  Peter Duran





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Re: question, when installing Jaws?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Dave!

Not to certain of what others did, but I left Window-Eyes turned on 
until I had the installation completed. It helped me through the process 
which  made the process go much quicker! Good Luck! de


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On 19-May-17 09:52, David Pearson via Talk wrote:

Hello list,

  I downloaded Jaws and now I have the .exe file. To install it, do I 
have to have window eyes turned off. Thanks for your help,


   Dave

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Re: contacting VFO?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!! I called  (800)444-4443 and selected option 6, and spoke with 
someone who took my E-mail address and sent my authorization code as 
well as my serial number within minutes of my phone call! I actually 
used w.E. to do the installation and everything went smooth as 
SILK<SMILE!>. Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de


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On 18-May-17 20:47, Don H via Talk wrote:
I was told yesterday that I would get my key today. NOPE!!  Want to 
get the ball rolling on learning JAWS but as I said before the 40 
minute thing really sucks.


On 5/18/2017 7:40 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

 Hi There FOLKS!

Got it and got it installed! Thanks for all your help! de

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On 18-May-17 17:09, Tony C via Talk wrote:

That is the number. lol

-Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Jim via Talk
Subject: Re: contacting VFO?

I think the number is:  800 444-4443.--Matthew Chao



On 5/18/2017 1:42 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Talked to a lady at VFO several days ago and she was going to send 
me a download link for JAWS.  She took my information and I have 
yet to here anything at all..? Maybe I just haven't waited long 
enough, or should I try to call them again?  If the latter, I need 
their number again since I cannot seem to locate it in my e-mail or 
on my phone. If easier one can send it to my personal eMail, 
wohlg...@gmail.com. THANKS Much! de


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Re: Jaws Questions

[Jim via Talk]

Thanks for the help and suggestions! Think I am getting use to this one 
already.


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On 18-May-17 16:12, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi:

The easiest way to set punctuation level is to open the JAWS window with
Insert-j, then, go into the help menu and select the start-up wizard.  The
first group of settings allows you to set speech rate, punctuation, typing
echo, and audio ducking if available.

The command that works like WE's read-to-end is insert-down arrow.

Hope this helps.



-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:14 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Jaws Questions

Hi,
I am now using Jaws 18.
I have a couple of questions.
First How do I turn off punctuation?
It keeps saying window-dash-eyes.  I want to hear windoweyes.
Second What is the read all command in Jaws?
Thanks in advance for your help.

Pastor Gil
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Re: contacting VFO?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi There FOLKS!

Got it and got it installed! Thanks for all your help! de

.


On 18-May-17 17:09, Tony C via Talk wrote:

That is the number. lol

-Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Jim via Talk
Subject: Re: contacting VFO?

I think the number is:  800 444-4443.--Matthew Chao



On 5/18/2017 1:42 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Talked to a lady at VFO several days ago and she was going to send me 
a download link for JAWS.  She took my information and I have yet to 
here anything at all..? Maybe I just haven't waited long enough, or 
should I try to call them again?  If the latter, I need their number 
again since I cannot seem to locate it in my e-mail or on my phone.  
If easier one can send it to my personal eMail, wohlg...@gmail.com.  
THANKS Much! de


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where do I go?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there PEOPLE!

Just got JAWs downloaded and installed. Question, Where do I go to turn 
off the tab announce, the up/down announce and the space announce? Also, 
is there mouse keys that I can read the screen with? How do I go about 
reading the screen using JAWs?  And finally, how do I set it to say the 
words after typing them instead of speaking each letter?  Thanks Much de


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contacting VFO?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there FOLKS!

Talked to a lady at VFO several days ago and she was going to send me a 
download link for JAWS.  She took my information and I have yet to here 
anything at all..? Maybe I just haven't waited long enough, or should I 
try to call them again?  If the latter, I need their number again since 
I cannot seem to locate it in my e-mail or on my phone.  If easier one 
can send it to my personal eMail, wohlg...@gmail.com.  THANKS Much! de


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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Dave!

There is so many rumors floating around right now, that I am damned 
tempted to simply remove myself from all these lists.  The only problem 
there would be that I would have no real way of knowing what is going 
on! I think it's a shame that VFO is fasing out Window-Eyes if they are 
actually doing this, since I seriously believe that W.E. is the far 
superior screen reader.  Oh, I know there are folks out there who wil 
disagree with that statement, and yes I do know that it is fairly 
subjective, but since VFO will more than likely fase out Window-Eyes and 
force all of us W.E. users to purchase a program which is not one of our 
choice I really do believe that we should get some sort of discount.  Oh 
well, I guess I can dream - can't I..!  Just my thoughts! Catch Ya Later! de


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On 10-May-17 20:52, Dave via Talk wrote:

And the question meant by "Support" means what?

Does it mean, until Microsoft decides there will be no more support?  Or
does it mean Support will end when Office 2010 is no longer supported?

Which flavor of MS Office was current when the Free Edition of Window
Eyes was offered?  2007:  2010?  or 2013?

I'll be surprised if I see a version 10 of Window Eyes, but as long as
there isn't any "Official" announcement of the discontinuation of Window
Eyes, guess there is always a Chance.

Grumpy Dave

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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Jim via Talk]

Good Point! I seriously believe that all these folks that are 
supposedly  touting the end of Window-Eyes should think about that next 
time they quote someone's "blog" or some other supposedly reliable 
source. I have no idea on the exact number of Window-Eyes users but I 
strongly suspect that it is quite high.  How does it compare to the 
number of JFW users-I have absolutely no idea.  But there is still a 
very large number of Window_Eyes users that would be left to hang out 
and dry if VFO suddenly discontinued production of Window-Eyes.  Keep 
this in mind when you read the multiple posts about Window-Eyes demise.  
Have a Good 1! de


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On 09-May-17 19:40, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:

Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the number
of Window-eyes users has fallen?

What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so new users
will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.

  


Alison

burban

  

  


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Re: Fw: Window-Eyes!

[Jim via Talk]

I second that! Enough of the useless speculation!

Catch Ya! de .


On 10-May-17 03:02, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

For gawd sakes, yes!!!



-Original Message- From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:26 PM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes!

We have all given our opinions about where Window Eyes is dead or not. 
So why don't we, including me, stop with the comments and return this 
list to helping Window Eyes users.

 - Original Message -  From: CJ  MAY via Talk
 To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
 Subject: RE: Window-Eyes!


 Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the 
number

 of Window-eyes users has fallen?

 What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so 
new users

 will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.



 Alison

 burban





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Window-Eyes!

[Jim via Talk]

You all know that there are a very large number of Window-Eyes users. 
and all of this "speculation" no matter the source is still just 
"speculation".  I personally know several window-Eyes users who are not 
on this list that think all of this talk is nothing but a bunch of 
rubbish! Okay, there might be some truth to some of it, but I am quite 
certain that the very large number of Window-Eyes users are more than 
likely not goig to be hung out to dry with no where to turn.  So, all of 
these sources no matter how "reliable they might or might not  be" have 
said absolutley nothing abut the thouhsands and thousands of Window-Eyes 
users".


So, until I actually here that W.E. is no longer going to be supported 
or developped I will continue to question these posts.  
Thanks for your time & Have A Great Day! de


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Re: Questions re WE

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

 While I don't necessarily disagree, I did talk to someone at VFO and 
he told me that the SMAs are still being sold and no they have no real 
time table, but the product is still being created and supported.  Now 
why we have heard nothing from them is a damned good question.  
All I am saying is just what I was told.  Perhaps if all the folks that 
are concerned about the future of Window-Eyes started calling them and 
voicing their concerns as well as asking questions, we might all have 
more answers!  Just a suggestion..! Thanks And Have A Great Day! de


.


On 03-May-17 16:17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

Karyn: It is not worth getting an SMA.

If you like Window-eyes, and if it does what you require as a tool of your job, 
certainly by the latest release, but hold off on the SMA.  Remember: the SMA is 
giving someone your money ahead of them supplying the goods.  There is no 
guarantee as to when or if those future goods will be supplied.

I think you do need a range of opinions on this topic, and mine is to be very 
cautious about committing to an agreement.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 1:00 a.m.
To: Window-Eyes list
Subject: Questions re WE

Hello all,

I am back after an extended absence from this list. Sorry to come back with a 
bang but I need some answers.

At work I am trying to get my employer to upgrade me to the latest version.
That's not really the issue right now. The SMA is the issue though and I need 
some answers before I press them for that one.

What is the status of Window-Eyes? If it were to go away, what is the plan for 
those of us who use it? Is it even worth getting an SMA right now?

Answers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with 
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht machines.

Join me in supporting the Illinois Council of the Blind through our GoFundMe 
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Re: Questions re WE

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

I must have missed somethintg along the way, to my knowledge there has 
been "NO OFFICIAL WORD" speaking to the demise of Window-Eyes aside from 
a lot of speculation on this list.  In the next month or so I will be 
purchasing a new LTO for Window-Eyes unless there is some sort of 
official word from the powers that be! I certainly don't believe 
speculation is any sort of official staement..? What am I missing here?  
Just curious?  Thanks And Have A Good 1! de


.


On 03-May-17 12:07, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:

The future is very uncertain and it is difficult to encourage anyone to
purchase Window-eyes at the moment, not knowing what the future holds.

  


Alison

  

  

  


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[Jim via Talk]

Members
Please tell me how to turn the screen wrap off in I E 11 and We 9.54

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Re: Latest Thunderbird, window-eyes and Jaws

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Brenda!

I am using the latest thunderbird with W.E. And as long as I keep the 
various mail boxes relatively  empty as well as frequently compacting 
them I don't generally have any real issues.  When I do have issues, I 
also have them with NVDA and Narator.  Don't use Jaws so cannot speak to 
that one. Anyhow, just thought I would let you know my experience with 
Thunderbird and W.E.  Have A Good 1! de


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On 13-Apr-17 20:58, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hey List,


Well, if anyone is a multiple screen reader user you may have found 
that Window-eyes works with the latest Thunderbird 52 as does NVDA but 
Jaws doesn't.  h


Actually, I'm kinda surprised as usually what works with W-e works 
with jaws, just a few different key strokes.



I just hope that when they do another update of Thunderbird 
Window-Eyes isn't disrupted.



Brenda

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Re: How Accessible Is WindowEyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Window-Eyes does work with the Microsoft programs that you mentioned but 
I have not use the others so cannot speak to their functionality.  I 
Presume they will though.I currently use Excell Word and to a lesser 
degree PowerPoint.  Hope this helps! Good Luck And Have A good 1! de 
.



On 12-Apr-17 20:42, Owais Patel via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone. I have some questions regarding WindowEyes and it's functionality 
with several Applications? Does WindowEyes work with all Microsoft Word, 
Microsoft PowerPoint, Microsoft's Excel, Google Docs, Google Slides, Google 
Sheets and Google Forms? Just to clarify I'm asking if all these applications 
allow access through WindowEyes from Writing to Formatting which includes Font 
Selections, formatting the page and adding Tables and headings Etc, and 
completing the document in a professional printing way just like a publisher? 
Please reply as soon as possible.

Best Regards,
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Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

It seems as though I have went down this road before, Window-Eyes is 
still being sold at least by the Ai-Squared through VFO or whatever 
they're called now,and yes I talked to Dave from Ai-Squared just a few 
days ago. He Assured me that Window-Eyes was still alive and kicking for 
the forseeable future.  So until I get the word from someone official I 
willo continue to correct these missplace messages.  Don't want 
to ruffle to many feathers but mine are getting ruffled by all this 
supposed miss-imformation!


THANKS & Have A Great Day!

de .


On 06-Apr-17 17:14, net bat via Talk wrote:

yes, but whats to talk about?
most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped 
selling w e.
their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to 
death and not bringing in any money.
jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer 
for it to die.
there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people 
that use them.
300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, 
with the70 percent unemployment rate?



-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM
To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion

Isn't this a window eyes list?  How are apple devices now window eyes?

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun 
and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the 
file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it 
as I can with other non-Apple devices.
It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to 
extend its capacity.

Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities.
Evan

-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file 
structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't 
even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive.

***
but. . .
since i found out about  the item chooser it makes sifari browseing 
much easier to use.
i thought it  was the same as the app switcher to switch between 
running apps.

not to open a list of all the links on the web page.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Windows screen readers

Hi Butch,

I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like.
I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but 
perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded 
that not everyone can learn it.

My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first.
It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact.
However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her 
iPhone 6SE.
However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, 
the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it 
answers you back.


With respect,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM
To: Russ Kiehne 
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Yes, but you get along with touch screens.  some of us don't. Glad it 
works for you.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote:


I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second
generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini.  I
ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do
with a victor reader stream and a lot more.  It has better sound, more
volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader
stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM
To: Russ Kiehne
Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Why do you think I have one of those?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne
wrote:


 That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream!

 -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM
 To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

 Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the
like,  touch screens and so forth, 

Re: Anyone have new support phone number?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

This is a number that I got from a call from Dave at AI-Squared.  The 
number rings into VFO but you are given a menu which contains 
AiSquared.  The Number is, 727-803-8000. Again you are presented with a 
menu which you can choose AiSquared.  I left a message and got a call 
from Dave shortly after my call.  Give it a Try.  Good Luck & Have A 
good 1! de


.


On 06-Apr-17 15:36, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

On 4/5/17, Michael via Talk  wrote:

Hi.  Actually, for the past few months, no matter which phone number you
call, you will reach the VFO phone system.  You can still call the Ai
Squared number which is (802) 362-3612.  You'll have to take things from
there, smile.

Mike M.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:27 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Anyone have new support phone number?

Hi:
Since their server is having problems I wonder if there is a new support
number, it may have also changed after the move to the new company.
Rick USA

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Re: a question about using touch screens

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Sorry if I called you by the wrong name, my mistake if I did.

.


On 06-Apr-17 14:22, Jim wrote:


Hi Larry!

I have been using touch screens for arou 5 to 6 years and yes at first 
it was rather difficult.  But I did eventually get use to them-now to 
the point that I have little or no difficulty using them at all!  It 
is just a mattewr of searching around until you find what you want and 
you should make some attemp to memorize the layout of the screen that 
you are using.  For example the dialpad is layed out the same as is it 
on a standard touchtone pad so that shouldn't take much getting use 
to, but there are many other layouts which do take a bit of getting 
use to.  Be patient and try to do



On 06-Apr-17 14:13, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having 
ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen 
device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear 
with me, OK?


I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a 
hunt and pecker when trying to  type on a touch screen. There 
obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily 
recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy 
and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you  guys who make use of these 
screens do it?


Please be nice .

Larry
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Re: a question about using touch screens

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Larry!

I have been using touch screens for arou 5 to 6 years and yes at first 
it was rather difficult.  But I did eventually get use to them-now to 
the point that I have little or no difficulty using them at all!  It is 
just a mattewr of searching around until you find what you want and you 
should make some attempt to memorize the layout of the screen that you 
are using.  For example the dial pad is layed out the same as it is on a 
standard touchtone pad so that shouldn't take much getting use to, but 
there are many other layouts which do take a bit of getting use to.  Be 
patient and try to do as much exploring as you can since I believe this 
familiarizes you quicker with the layouts.  I am certain you can get 
things figured out!  Good Luck! & Have A Good 1! de


.


On 06-Apr-17 14:13, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having 
ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen 
device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear 
with me, OK?


I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a 
hunt and pecker when trying to  type on a touch screen. There 
obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily 
recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy 
and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you  guys who make use of these 
screens do it?


Please be nice .

Larry
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Re: making the switch

[Jim via Talk]

 Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though, 
I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE.  I 
would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does 
efficiently.  I have for the most part found each subsequent release of 
WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would 
like to see it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator 
either. Just curious as to your issues with WE?


THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
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On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things I 
would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I 
have not even tried it on windows 10.



Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some 
third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the 
head ache anymore..



I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
customer but 9.1 will be the last version I own.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can 
be.


Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, 
which

puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.

So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
what you actually need the system to do for you.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
just one left.


Jim


On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v 
d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of 
us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one 
still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've 
still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I 
think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did 
over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few 
dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their 
customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called, 
but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old 
one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run 
clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any 
help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original 
purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even 
work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of 
stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for 
you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO 
about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being 
silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change 
where it will no longer work.

 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
 Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


 Hi Vaughan,

 I believe it is a matter of semantics.
 The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
in my life on a daily basis.

 For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
 Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
livelihood and are continuing to use it.
 In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome 
and annoying.

 This is just my feeling.

 Respectfully,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk

 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
 To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

 Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

 I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
 point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


 The evidence does not support on-going development.

 Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
 Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
 through other channels.
 The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

 No news  on the VFO site.
 The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
 This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
 some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


 So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
 saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

 Vaughan.



 On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement 
from someone
 > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to 
think it's

 > a option.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

 > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
 > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
 > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
 >
 >   Hi there!
 >
 > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going 
away?
 > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and 
until I
 > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I 
am getting
 > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over 
and over.  I
 > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I 
just want
 > to see where all this so called information is actually coming 
from..?  Have

 > A Great Day! de
 >
 > .
 >
 >
 > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
 >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice 
bridge to
 >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gat

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? 
I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until 
I do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am 
getting rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over 
and over.  I do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this 
subject I just want to see where all this so called information is 
actually coming from..?  Have A Great Day! de


.


On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to 
sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.


On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

We don't know WE is going away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and 
push
for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The 
number
of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be 
given jaws

SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of
jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on
this list, and I support him 100 percent!




Email 1:

Hi Sky,



Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said,
had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured
window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct
at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are
somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system
has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader
has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind
community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is
another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity,
it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a
ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the
blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just
say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to
prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten,
evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors
to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were
prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least 
make

those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.




I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would
be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and
nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth.
Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major
money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
They have some power but it is only token gesture.



There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will
be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He
owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond
anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't
own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as
jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind.



If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what
we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a
petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called
institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do
very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and
always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and

overbearing system.





Email 2:




From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: window eyes proposal

Hi Sky,

I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but
really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast.
~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws
users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and
fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I
did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was
right. They are going to unceremoniously dump 

Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

[Jim via Talk]

Dave, if something like that hapend at my work place I would ask my boss 
or supervisor why it was removed, and ask them to place it back onto the 
system which i was using. Just a suggestion and a  comment.  Have A Good 
1! de


.


On 29-Mar-17 21:52, Dave via Talk wrote:

Hey, If JAWS gave me an offer for $150 I would take in in a Snap of my
fingers.

What I do not want to do is to be forced to purchase Jaws For $1100
  or even $500.  Could not afford it.

But $75 or $150 I would find it some how.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: A time to have another look at Google Chrome

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Vaughan,
Cheers for the heads up on Google Chrome.  I installed it earlier this 
morning, and once I found where to import my favourites from IE, I've been 
picking sites at random, searching, browsing, and waiting for the dreaded 
crash, that happily never arrived.  It takes a bit of getting used to, but 
like anything new, in a day or so I probably won't even notice, except for 
trying to use the IE key combinations that have been ingrained over so many 
years.


Regards.
Jim.
MI0JPC.

-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: A time to have another look at Google Chrome

Hi all.

The current discussion regarding instability between Window-Eyes and
Internet Explorer prompted me to take another look at Google's Chrome
browser.

The last time I did this was at least six months ago, and I was not then
prepared to become a convert.

Now: i'm having strong new impressions which encourage me to stay with
Chrome for more than half an hour.

I've not yet taken it to a truly challenging site - looking at the Mosen
Consulting site at present.

I plan shortly to do some banking, newspaper reading and possibly other
stuff.

Worth a look if people have not yet done so.

Vaughan.


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Re: WE and IE 11

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Don,
I too have noticed recently that WE seems to crash more often now using IE, 
but as no one else has really mentioned it, I thought it was just my set up. 
It doesn't happen using other screen readers so much, at least I can do some 
searches, or browse some sites, whilst WE crashes after one search, if I'm 
lucky.


Does anyone know of any fixes, as I'm sure it is probably due to some 
Microsoft upgrade or other that WE can't cope with yet.


Regards.
Jim.
MI0JPC.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 6:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE and IE 11

Running WE on a win 10 system.  Seems as of late WE crashes more often
than it did in the recent past.  Many times if you us the WE search
function on a IE web page WE either goes silent for up to a minute or
crashes altogether.  Anyone else experiencing a increase in crashes
while using IE 11?e
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Re: using Windows Live Mail with Window-Eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Kim.
If you press alt F, then O for options, that should get you there.

Regards.
Jim.
MI0JPC.

-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo via Talk

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 3:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: using Windows Live Mail with Window-Eyes

Some one mentioned that I should look for a particular setting under 
“options” in Windows Live Mail.  I think I’ve looked about everywhere there 
is, and haven’t found that.  I even tried typing in Ctrl-o, or Alt-o.  No 
luck.  I think I did a pretty good job, but maybe neglected to look 
somewhere.  If there is something like options or tools in that program, I’d 
appreciate it if some one could let me know where that is.  Using Window-yes 
9.5.5.4 and Windows 7.

Kim LingoE
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Re: Window-Eyes and the List are Dead! REALLY?

[Jim via Talk]

I second the statements regarding W.E. Since this is not a political 
discussion list I will withhold any comments regarding trump..?  P.S. as 
long as I am able to use Window-Eyes I will consider it to be very much 
ALIVE! Thanks and Have a Good 1! de


.


On 24-Feb-17 21:41, Tony C via Talk wrote:
I really wish we could talk about something besides WE being dead and 
Trump being a Rump. lol


-Original Message- From: Grant Metcalf via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 2:56 PM
To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and the List are Dead! REALLY?

Thank you Tom for saying:
"I'm pretty sure Donald Trump is not invested in such a trivial little
business. I was laughing at the incessant injection of politics into
everything since the election. I've never before seen such a vitriolic
obsession."--Tom

It certainly is a sad thing when listers have nothing worthwhile to
contribute, but, only can complain and find fault!
Again, Thanks much! - GrandPa DOS

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Re: problem with keypad

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Ivan!

If I am understanding you correctly I think what you want to do is to 
make certain that the numnlock is turned off and then it actually reads 
the entire line.  To here the time and date you press the incert t.  
Hope I answered your question or questions.  Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de


.


On 19-Feb-17 21:18, Ivan Cribb via Talk wrote:

My computer has just updated to the Anniversary edition. I could not
intervene in the process because I could not recall the key stroke to
initiate narrator. The process went well except that I now have a problem
with the keypad. I can't bring up the time and date. When I hit control and
5 on the key board it only says 5 instead of  reading the current line. Any
suggestions please.

Ivan Cribb

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Re: Going forward not RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Ju ast as a point of info, Window-Eyes is working great for me! Not 
certain of just what programs are not working, but, I know there are 
probably more than a few.  But, I think you will find that to be true 
with just about any screen reader.  Just my opinion! Catch Ya Later! de


.


On 14-Feb-17 15:36, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
Not negative subject lines at all: people offer them up to be 
thoughtful, helpful and to demonstrate that we need to be on top of 
change.





Vaughan.




On 2/12/2017 4:38 AM, Veronica Smith via Talk wrote:

Why is it that we keep putting out these negative subject lines.
>From my point of view Window Eyes is still working, it is still 
reading my

screen and I can still access all the things I need to.
Veronica
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 1:33 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Steve Nutt'
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Actually, in Office 2016, it's even easier than that.

All you have to do is press alt-q and you'll be placed in the "Tell 
me what

you want to do" box.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 2:34 PM
To: Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Tab to what?  And do what?  I have never seen any tell me what to do 
edit

box.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 1:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to 
access

ribbons and options within them.

In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you 
can't
find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do 
edit
box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply 
it is

buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
methods of getting there quickly.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 13 January 2017 16:53
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Peter and all,

While I mostly agree with you, especially given that we have fairly good
accessibility built into products that are much more complicated than 
those
of fifteen or twenty years ago, I think we are often affected more by 
change
than are sighted people.  There needs to be some thought as to how 
this can
be handled.  While this can affect the ability of a new blind user to 
learn
software, its greatest impact is on those who have used software for 
a long

time and have become efficient in its use.

For example, let's look at the Microsoft Ribbon.  This was a major 
change to

the way that options are displayed in Microsoft products. However, even
though it can be frustrating for sighted users. It is usually 
possible to
locate options by visually inspecting the ribbon and then moving the 
mouse
directly to that item without serious delay.  The act of moving the 
mouse to
a given location and then clicking on it is a standard action that is 
not
dependent on anything that is unique to the ribbon or Microsoft 
Office.  The

complaints I hear from sighted users are more along the line of how much
space the ribbon takes, and there are even some workarounds for that.  I
don't read a lot of complaints about the ribbon any more in the general
press although I suppose there are complaints out there yet.

So why was the change to the ribbon difficult for us?  The ribbon has 
pretty

much always been accessible in a technical sense.  In my opinion, it is
because our greatest efficiency is achieved by our memory and our 
ability to

repeat a sequence of actions reliably.  When confronted with the ribbon
rather than a typical menu system, our method of finding an item is 
to use
the navigation that is built into Office to examine the ribbon 
sequentially.
If that navigation is sluggish, it will slow our ability even beyond 
what we

are already experiencing because of needing to look sequentially.
Therefore, even when accessibility is implemented, we depend upon more
levels of the software, operating system and specific software, to 
get the

information we need.  In addition, we are needing to access information
sequentially rather than being able to take the shortest path to the 
desired

item as can be done visually with the mouse.

We do get around all this in time by learning keyboard shortcuts and
accellerator keys.  As a rule, though, keyboard 

Re: What email program to use with WE

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

I have been using ThunderBird since I upgraded to Windows 7 and it 
appears to work well with windows 10. Just a suggestion.  Good Luck! de


.


On 14-Feb-17 09:48, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Hello guys, Now that support for WLM is going away. What is the most accesible 
program to use? I want to continue using my Mediacom email address, and I’m 
using Windows 10. thanks
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Re: making the change

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!
Well as I have stated in earlier messages, I have owned 2 iPhones and am 
on my second Android.  I love my s7 although as I recall I probably felt 
the same way about my iPhone at the time.  It really comes down to 
whether or not you are willing to do some experimenting or not.  I 
probably will not go back to the iPhone unless Apple does something 
extraordinary with the upcoming iPhones.  Not to say I won't go back at 
all, but I just like the openness and flexibility of the Android 
platform.  Just my thoughts! Catch Ya All Later de

.
On 06-Feb-17 13:55, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

I recently got a Samsun 7.  I am pretty computer stupid, but find that Talk 
Back works just fine for me.  This is my big switch from the flip phone and I 
like it.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 10:05:27 -0800
Kim Lingo via Talk  wrote:


Three years ago, before I bought an I-Phone, I tried a android phone from
Samsung.  I have to admit that the whole concept of sliding and tapping with
a variety of fingers was pretty alien to me at that time, not to mention
frustrating and just plain kind of scary, but I had heard from a lot of
people about how much more accessible the I-Phone was because of Voiceover,
and I finally bought one, and found that was true.  Perhaps I bought the
wrong brand.  What brands have people found to be as accessible as the
I-Phone?
Kim Lingo


-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 9:55 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the change

I buy android stuff because its more affordable for me than iPhones are.




On 2/6/2017 12:00 PM, Jim wrote:

Hi there Russ and Folks!

Yes, I can runn all the same APPs on my Android device that you use on
your iPhone.  As a matter of fact I have actually tried with a high degree
of success all but the BookShare APP on my S7 and yes they have all worked
well. Yes, I have owned two iPhones and am on my second Android Phone.
Yes, there is some diffrence, but the differences that I see are
negligable.  I know there are purists from both the iPhohne camp as well
as the Android camp that will take issue with 3what I am saying, but I
find the real differences are more differences in taste and what you
actually like.  I stand behind what I am saying though, because in my mind
a phone is a phone is a pphone give or take a few bells and whistles
unless you are attempting to run GM or IBM or some other multi-national
Corporation from your phone. When my currecnt phone contract is
up, I might just take a look at an iPhone again depending on what android
and apple have to offer me  at that time.  Just my opinion for whatever
that might be worth these days!  Thanks & have A Good Day!  A


On 06-Feb-17 10:41, Joshua Kennedy via Talk wrote:

what really matters is 1. we each can afford the devices that do the
things we want them to do. and 2. the devices have the apps we want or
programs we want and can do the stuff we enjoy with the devices we choose
to buy.



On 2/6/2017 10:00 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Unfortunately, the android version of voice dream reader isn't as good
as it is on ios.  That is one of my favorite apps on my ipad mini.  Here
are a few things I do with my ipad mini 4.

Bard mobile: I can read nls books on it.  Books can be directly
downloaded to your ios device.

Audible: I can read books from audible.  Books can be directly
downloaded to the ios device.

Kindle: I can read Kindle books from Amazon.

Learning Ally: I can read books from Learning Ally.  I can directly
download
books to my ios device.

Boice dream reader: I can read books from bookshare, unprotected epub.
Supported File Formats
PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02
audiobooks,
Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader
is
supplied with Acapela Heather.  You have the option of using Neospeech.

LibriVox audio books pro: I can stream or download books from
LibriVox or a large selection of old time radio shows.  The thing I like
about this app, it will resume playback when streaming content.

Downcast: this is my favorite podcast app.

Tunen radio pro: TuneIn lets you listen to and record the world’s
radio with
sports, news, talk and music streaming from every continent. Enjoy
100,000
live radio stations and 2 million podcasts, concerts or shows on your
iPhone, iPad and
iPod.  Record your favorite stream.

ooTunes: Radio - Recording and Alarm Clock!  INFINITE Tunes, Talk,
Sports, and
Entertainment Radio.  over 36,000 web radio stations.

Youtube, This app is also one of my favorite as ell.  I can watch old tv
shows 

Re: making the change

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Russ and Folks!

Yes, I can runn all the same APPs on my Android device that you use on 
your iPhone.  As a matter of fact I have actually tried with a high 
degree of success all but the BookShare APP on my S7 and yes they have 
all worked well.  Yes, I have owned two iPhones and am on my second 
Android Phone. Yes, there is some diffrence, but the differences that I 
see are negligable.  I know there are purists from both the iPhohne camp 
as well as the Android camp that will take issue with 3what I am saying, 
but I find the real differences are more differences in taste and what 
you actually like.  I stand behind what I am saying though, because in 
my mind a phone is a phone is a pphone give or take a few bells and 
whistles unless you are attempting to run GM or IBM or some other 
multi-national Corporation from your phone.  When my currecnt 
phone contract is up, I might just take a look at an iPhone again 
depending on what android and apple have to offer me  at that time.  
Just my opinion for whatever that might be worth these days!  Thanks & 
have A Good Day!  A



On 06-Feb-17 10:41, Joshua Kennedy via Talk wrote:
what really matters is 1. we each can afford the devices that do the 
things we want them to do. and 2. the devices have the apps we want or 
programs we want and can do the stuff we enjoy with the devices we 
choose to buy.




On 2/6/2017 10:00 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
Unfortunately, the android version of voice dream reader isn't as 
good as it is on ios.  That is one of my favorite apps on my ipad 
mini.  Here are a few things I do with my ipad mini 4.


Bard mobile: I can read nls books on it.  Books can be directly
downloaded to your ios device.

Audible: I can read books from audible.  Books can be directly
downloaded to the ios device.

Kindle: I can read Kindle books from Amazon.

Learning Ally: I can read books from Learning Ally.  I can directly 
download

books to my ios device.

Boice dream reader: I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
epub. Supported File Formats
PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 
audiobooks,

Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from 
both bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream 
reader is

supplied with Acapela Heather.  You have the option of using Neospeech.

LibriVox audio books pro: I can stream or download books from
LibriVox or a large selection of old time radio shows.  The thing I like
about this app, it will resume playback when streaming content.

Downcast: this is my favorite podcast app.

Tunen radio pro: TuneIn lets you listen to and record the world’s 
radio with
sports, news, talk and music streaming from every continent. Enjoy 
100,000
live radio stations and 2 million podcasts, concerts or shows on your 
iPhone, iPad and

iPod.  Record your favorite stream.

ooTunes: Radio - Recording and Alarm Clock!  INFINITE Tunes, Talk, 
Sports, and

Entertainment Radio.  over 36,000 web radio stations.

Youtube, This app is also one of my favorite as ell.  I can watch old 
tv shows such as: perry Mason, Highway Patrol, Tales of Wells Fargo 
and Sea Hunt.


-Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 2:53 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: making the change

hi
actually an even less expensive alternative would be an android RCA
galileo pro tablet laptop hybrid running android 6.0. I got one two days
ago. It comes with google docs sheets and slides already installed,
supports sd cards and has a full USB port for a mouse or a USB flash
drive. talkback can be activated when you first turn it on by placing
and holding two fingers on the screen until it starts talking keep
holding them until talkback comes or turns on and then you can set it up
independently. I like it because I can either dock it to the keyboard
and then its a laptop. or I can pull the tablet off the keyboard and use
it just as a touch screen tablet. and with the soft braille keyboard app
i can braille in grade2 on the touch screen just like a braille note
touch. and the whole thing is just $80 at walmart or with the walmart
app on your phone. and you can use many different voices such as
eloquence, or espeak, vocalizer or acapela voices. the talkback screen
reader has many keyboard shortcuts I had to remap a few because the
default ones did not work right so i just changed them. its as easy as
remapping hotkeys in window eyes or jaws. I have also been providing a
lot lot of feedback to the talkback developers to make it even better.
android 5.0 actually starting with 4.4 on up to current 7.2 or whatever
they are at now is a very very good operating system! I plug my android
tablet laptop hybrid RCA galileo pro into speakers and with the xfinity
tv app sit back and watch tv 

Caller-ID program that will work with Window-Eyes..?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there FOLKS!

Was wondering if anyone might be able to suggest a W.E. friendly 
caller-ID program? I had an excellent one on my system until I upgraded 
to Windows 10.  That one no longer functions.  Any suggestions would be 
greatly appreciated! THANKS Much de


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

Jee! it would certainly be nice to actually read something Window-Eyes 
related instead of a bunch of sniping jiberish! I seriously believe 
their is nothing dead about Window-Eyes so why don't the folks that wish 
to talk about the death of W.E. create their own group.  They might call 
it window-Eyes is dead.  While the rest of us continue to use it.


I for one am getting sick and tired of reading about the demise of 
something before it has been declared dead..?.
P.S. I do not work for nore represent in anyway ASquared so please do 
not ask me that!

Jim Wohlgamuth
On 29-Jan-17 00:38, Robert Grimwood via Talk wrote:

Chris,


do they pay you? Perhaps you are the only support person they have 
available.



LOL

Robert


On 1/29/2017 1:39 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
Here, we, go, again. everyone get their delete key fingers ready, 
andgo!



On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Hello again,  > > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the 
work go away, 
then > the company and its products suffer. > > All the great people 
who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently > gone. > > Peter Duran 
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Re: Window Eyes recap

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

What am I missing..? Has there been some official word as to the demise 
of Window-Eyes? If so, when was this word released? To my knowledge 
there has been no such word.  If there has been, please let mknow.  
Catch Ya All Later! de

Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Jim via Talk]

Hi There!
I certainly do agree that the negativity should end, and yes, I do 
understand that folks have the right to say and write what they wish, 
but try using some common sense when you do write.  Until I here the 
official word from AiSquared that W.E. is no longer inproduction I will 
not believe Window-Eyes is dead.  And yes, they are still selling the 
SMAs and that doesn't sound as though they are dead in any way shape or 
form.  Have A Good 1! de

.>
SJW stands for social justice warrior.
I do believe the negativity needs to end here, because it's not 
helping anyone.  Until I hear further, Window-eyes, as a program at 
least, is still valid, it works well and in most cases, at least for 
my use case, does what it's supposed to.  If a program receives a 
patch update, despite people's assertions that the program is "dead", 
that means in my book that the program is still in active development.
I am a paying customer here just like anyone else.  i purchased my 
copy of Window-eyes using the LTO  program back in 2011, and if/when 
my  SMA count comes up for renewal, i'll purchase an upgrade. People 
can certainly say what they want, if people want to think Window-eyes 
is dead it's on them.
Has anyone looked in your about box for this latest version of 
Window-eyes?  Notice the address change,

Ai Squared
130 Taconic Business Park Road
Manchester Center, VT 05255
USA
802-362-3612
www.aisquared.com

Sounds like Ai squared, minus all the people we knew, is still active 
in some form or another.



On 1/29/2017 10:30 AM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:



What's an SJW?

Peace.
Linette



On 1/29/2017 8:52 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years. When that
staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not a 
Good

Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone for
good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow their
employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a much
smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  
that

makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and 
resources to

update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin, and
make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As Blind people, we all have had to make 
many

adjustments along the Path we all have walked.

All of us will do what we need to do when the time comes.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Returning to list - what's going on with GW and AISquared

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Well as I stated in an earlier message, I talked to someone there and 
they told me they were still selling SMAs and that was just a week and a 
half ago.  Don't think they stopped selling them between then and 
now.  Give them a call at, (260) 489-3671 and follow the prompts 
to sales. Good Luck And Have A Good 1! de


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On 25-Jan-17 16:42, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk wrote:

I think I am out of SMA counts!  I want to renew it, but I am NOT encouraged
or as enthusiastic as I should be with respect to Window-Eyes!  May be I'll
watch the space for another year if I have one to spare?

For more than 20 years, Window-Eyes has kept me in business!  When my
company was a Moneygram agent, Marc helped to CONFIGURE the Java Bridge
thingy which then enabled me to use Moneygram's inaccessible app even though
the silly app was NOT COMPLETELY accessible from a blindness perspective.
Even their blind employee who used the other screen reader COULD NOT help
me, but Marc, now gone, WAVED THE MAGIC WAND and voilá, it was business as
usual.

I had a POS app no longer updated by its original developer for which Mr.
Clower helped to write scripts!

Although I can't find the plugs for whatever reason I can't fathom
presently, I still have the external speech synthesizer Speak-Out!  If I
ever find its plugs, I'd like to take it for a test drive still with
Window-Eyes!  It worked wonders with Vocal-Eyes, who remembers that one?  In
my ancient and modern DOS box that also has an installation of
Windows-For-Workgroups 3.11, Sounding Board is still CRANKING OUT speech.
See how far I have come with GW Micro?  I'm sure there are folks whose
mileages are better than mine, but, it was GW Micro's Vocal-Eyes that
finally allowed me to vegetate towards learning to use a computer.

Having said the foregoing, where's WordStar?  Where's WindowBridge?  Where's
Artic?  And where's ASAW?

So many swamps have been drained overtime; I sure hope that CLIMATE CHANGE
won't drain this one for just a while yet!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Returning to list - what's going on with GW and AISquared

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Buch!

I guess you are answered one of my burning questions, what software to 
use with the RTSystems hamradio programming software.  When I get My 
Yaesu VX7 back from Yaesu, I guess I can finally program it from my 
PC..?  THANKS & 73 de


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On 25-Jan-17 17:07, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
Don't know about jaws, don't and won't have it on my system.  WE is 
certainly better, but once in a while n v d a will do things the 
others won't do.  R T systems programming software for ham rigs is one 
example.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


NVDA is no where as good as WE or jaws.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:57 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Returning to list - what's going on with GW and AISquared

Just in case, can anyone tell me how to go about learning NVDA? If I 
launch
NVDA with W-e running, which one is dominent.  do they conflict with 
each

other?  do I need to turn off W-e in order to learn NVDA?


I will keep W-E as long as I can especially with 2 SMAs left, but 
with the

changes in how to contact tech support including possible time delays, I
figure I better have a back-up.


thanks for any guidance.


brenda


On 1/25/2017 4:42 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:

I think I am out of SMA counts!  I want to renew it, but I am NOT
encouraged or as enthusiastic as I should be with respect to
Window-Eyes!  May be I'll watch the space for another year if I have 
one

to spare?


For more than 20 years, Window-Eyes has kept me in business! When my
company was a Moneygram agent, Marc helped to CONFIGURE the Java
Bridge thingy which then enabled me to use Moneygram's inaccessible
app even though the silly app was NOT COMPLETELY accessible from a

blindness perspective.

Even their blind employee who used the other screen reader COULD NOT
help me, but Marc, now gone, WAVED THE MAGIC WAND and voilá, it was
business as usual.

I had a POS app no longer updated by its original developer for 
which Mr.

Clower helped to write scripts!

Although I can't find the plugs for whatever reason I can't fathom
presently, I still have the external speech synthesizer Speak-Out!  If
I ever find its plugs, I'd like to take it for a test drive still with
Window-Eyes!  It worked wonders with Vocal-Eyes, who remembers that
one?  In my ancient and modern DOS box that also has an installation
of Windows-For-Workgroups 3.11, Sounding Board is still CRANKING OUT

speech.

See how far I have come with GW Micro? I'm sure there are folks whose
mileages are better than mine, but, it was GW Micro's Vocal-Eyes that
finally allowed me to vegetate towards learning to use a computer.

Having said the foregoing, where's WordStar?  Where's WindowBridge?
Where's Artic?  And where's ASAW?

So many swamps have been drained overtime; I sure hope that CLIMATE
CHANGE won't drain this one for just a while yet!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Returning to list - what's going on with GW and AISquared

[Jim via Talk]

Well, I talked to someone there about a week and a half ago and they 
were still selling SMAs as of then.  Try calling the number 
(260)489-3671 and follomg the prompts.  Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de


.

On 25-Jan-17 16:42, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk wrote:

I think I am out of SMA counts!  I want to renew it, but I am NOT encouraged
or as enthusiastic as I should be with respect to Window-Eyes!  May be I'll
watch the space for another year if I have one to spare?

For more than 20 years, Window-Eyes has kept me in business!  When my
company was a Moneygram agent, Marc helped to CONFIGURE the Java Bridge
thingy which then enabled me to use Moneygram's inaccessible app even though
the silly app was NOT COMPLETELY accessible from a blindness perspective.
Even their blind employee who used the other screen reader COULD NOT help
me, but Marc, now gone, WAVED THE MAGIC WAND and voilá, it was business as
usual.

I had a POS app no longer updated by its original developer for which Mr.
Clower helped to write scripts!

Although I can't find the plugs for whatever reason I can't fathom
presently, I still have the external speech synthesizer Speak-Out!  If I
ever find its plugs, I'd like to take it for a test drive still with
Window-Eyes!  It worked wonders with Vocal-Eyes, who remembers that one?  In
my ancient and modern DOS box that also has an installation of
Windows-For-Workgroups 3.11, Sounding Board is still CRANKING OUT speech.
See how far I have come with GW Micro?  I'm sure there are folks whose
mileages are better than mine, but, it was GW Micro's Vocal-Eyes that
finally allowed me to vegetate towards learning to use a computer.

Having said the foregoing, where's WordStar?  Where's WindowBridge?  Where's
Artic?  And where's ASAW?

So many swamps have been drained overtime; I sure hope that CLIMATE CHANGE
won't drain this one for just a while yet!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 not an update

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Just a note, when I call for support or sales questions I call and have 
always called the Fort Wayne office. So I suspect they still have some 
sort of offices in Fort Wayne.  Catch Ya Later


de .


On 20-Jan-17 22:19, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

Curtis: I agree with much of what you have said below.


Add: my stupid confusion over who, where, what, Window-Eyes.  The 
Readme talks about AI Squared.  It does not promote VFO Group. Neither 
does it include old fashioned street addresses.  I am not clear as to 
where Window-Eyes is based - Fort Wayne, St Petersburg or at the 
Manchester Centre.  Doug's email to which Curtis refers has the St 
Petersburg Address of Freedom Scientific.  In the "about Window-Eyes" 
panel within v95.4, there is no credit information - that is - in the 
old days we knoew it was Doug, Aaron etc.



  The phone number is answered (automated as I called out of hours) as 
VFO Group.  Window-Eyes support is wesupp...@aisquared.com.  Again: 
the phone does not give details of specific support addresses for VFO 
products.  Window-Eyes sales is sa...@aisquared.com.  Window-Eyes 
still defaults to GW Micro folders.


  The old GW Micro web site stil functions, and profiles the update.


This update could have had more.  Through it, we've learnt that 
Indianna office has gone to the public at least, there is stil 
rationalisation of many things including support and sales, and long 
standing bug fixes as requested by users appear to not have been 
addressed.





Where I live, this disorganisation would be described as a "bugger's 
muddle" and for a multinational, multimillion dollar corporate like 
VFO Group, there is no excuse for the shambles which seems to be the 
case here.



Vaughan.






On 1/21/2017 10:06 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

This window-eyes works much better for me than any of the other 9
versions, no doubt. I still maintain that no one from gw-micro or
ai-squared has touted the release, minor or otherwise, as they ALWAYS!
did in the past, and my note from Doug was in my inbox, not on this list
as it should have been for all to read about the necessity of updating
window-eyes, as opposed to the ability to update to a version which
contains X fixes for us to enjoy, including this new additional braille
display.
hmm!
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:45:11 -0500
Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:


I agree!  Great job!

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:46 PM
To: Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 not an update

As previously stated, a couple of bugs *were* fixed in this release.

* Support has been added for the HumanWare BrailleNote Touch braille
display.

* An issue where multiple hooking errors would occur in the latest 
testing

builds of Windows 10 has been fixed.

* An updated digital certificate has been used to sign all executables.


That third one is pretty major, I would say.  Those who don't update 
before

January 26th will find their version of Window-eyes inoperable.
So I'm gonna have to very respectfully disagree. This is a *very* 
important

update.

   I mean...unless you like not having Window-eyes

   run at all?


  I meanunless you lik


On 1/19/2017 10:36 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
As somebody else pointed out already. This is a patch only. No bugs 
are

fixed and no new enhancements are included.

Peter Duran
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Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there GUYS!

When the ribbin was first introduced I wanted nothing to do with it.  
Now it is just a part of my everyday computing and I never give it a 
second thought unless there is something there which I cannot find.  My 
first PC was an old xp then a 286 then a 486 all runnig  various 
versions of DOS.  I really didn't wish to switch to windows, but my 
buddy that was helping me with computers simply brought over a win 98 
system and I started using it.  My first Windows screen reader was 
VinVision and I really liked the ease of use with that software.  Of 
course when I went to XP I had to switch to Window Eyes which I have kep 
since then.  I went from 98 to XP to Win 7 then Win 10 and I found 
it to be a rather easy trip. Maybe the facth that I have a lot of 
technical friends that I can call on when I have a question most 
certainly helps! Anyhow, just a bit of personal computing history.  
Catch Ya All Later! de


.


On 19-Jan-17 11:37, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:

Hi Steve,

I would disagree.  I can often find things in word quicker than sighted
people using that box.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 15 January 2017 20:29
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Steve,

This is a useful tip, and I was not trying to assume anything.  My point,
though, was that we adopt strategies to be efficient that may depend upon a
number of less obvious features of programs.  Even your solution is not as
quick as visually finding something on the ribbon, moving the mouse pointer
to it and clicking.  However, adding a feature that is used often to the
custom toolbar is probably quicker than using a mouse, but this still
involves some setup.  We work to find ways of being efficient and by
networking and such we succeed pretty well.  I was not saying it couldn't be
done.  However, when software is updated, our methods of being efficient are
often broken and need to be recreated, even if the software is technically
accessible.  I think this makes some of our resistance to change
understandable, and I also think we have to think some about interface
issues in the long run because change will become more and more a part of
the evolution of technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to access
ribbons and options within them.

In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you can't
find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do edit
box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply it is
buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
methods of getting there quickly.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 13 January 2017 16:53
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Peter and all,

While I mostly agree with you, especially given that we have fairly good
accessibility built into products that are much more complicated than those
of fifteen or twenty years ago, I think we are often affected more by change
than are sighted people.  There needs to be some thought as to how this can
be handled.  While this can affect the ability of a new blind user to learn
software, its greatest impact is on those who have used software for a long
time and have become efficient in its use.

For example, let's look at the Microsoft Ribbon.  This was a major change to
the way that options are displayed in Microsoft products.  However, even
though it can be frustrating for sighted users. It is usually possible to
locate options by visually inspecting the ribbon and then moving the mouse
directly to that item without serious delay.  The act of moving the mouse to
a given location and then clicking on it is a standard action that is not
dependent on anything that is unique to the ribbon or Microsoft Office.  The
complaints I hear from sighted users are more along the line of how much
space the ribbon takes, and there are even some workarounds for that.  I
don't read a lot of complaints about the ribbon any more in the general
press although I suppose there are complaints out there yet.

So why was the change to the ribbon difficult for us?  The ribbon has pretty
much always been accessible in a technical sense.  In my opinion, it is
because our greatest efficiency is achieved by our memory and our ability to
repeat a sequence of 

Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 - THANK YOU!

[Jim via Talk]

Thanks You Grant! You echo my feelings almost exactly.

.


On 19-Jan-17 11:36, Grant Metcalf via Talk wrote:
If you think about it, there are thousands of people who are using 
Window-Eyes and are not complaining, just a few, and unfortunately, 
they are never satisfied. I could wish they were fully sighted, then, 
they could find somewhere else to gripe and something else to gripe 
about. And that's my gripe!



Ignorance is bliss! SMILE!

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Re: Selecting text with thunderbird

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

When selecting text using W.E. do the following. Place the pointer at 
the beginning of what you wish to hi-light and press the F8 key.  W.E. 
should say 'selection start'. when you are through hi-light the text 
press the 'F8 key' again and W.e. should say something like 'copied to 
clipboard'.  It took a bit of getting use to, but I use it now about as 
easily as I did the old way.  Good Luck and Have A Good 1! de


.


On 18-Jan-17 21:35, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,


I'm using Windows 10 with the latest version of WE. I can't select 
text in an email when using thunderbird.  I can select a whole email 
by doing control A but if I only want to select just a line, like a 
link for example, I can't do it.  Shift with any of the arrow keys 
doesn't work.  What am I missing?



Thanks


Lee



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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Jim via Talk]

The same here, everything ran smoothe as ice.  I did have to grant 
access through my firewall but that was the only thing that I actually 
had to do.So far so good!  Suspect this might have something to do with 
how individual machines are set up.  Just my guess.  Good Luck & Have A 
Great Day! de


.


On 18-Jan-17 14:34, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
I think this probably has to do with the way Windows account control 
is set up.  I have mine completely turned off and was not prompted to 
have the program installed.  It just did it.



On 1/18/2017 1:37 PM, Jim Ruby via Talk wrote:
I did not have this problem, everything read just fine here on both 
machines

running windows 10.


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Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 12:23 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Hello

I just installed this update.  There is a minor problem.  After the 
download
completes, you are asked to allow Windows to install this program.  
You need
to activate the Yes button, but Window-Eyes does not speak the 
option, as it

did in the past; sighted help is necessary.

Peter Duran
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Re: certificate revoked message from Ai Squared

[Jim via Talk]

Yah, I got it too! Maybe all the talk about Window-Eyes being dead will 
go away-at least for a short time.  Have A Good 1! de





On 18-Jan-17 10:10, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Well, the update to window eyes is here.  When I turned on the 
computer, it was there, so I downloaded and installed it.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 12:30 AM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: certificate revoked message from Ai Squared

No need to apologize Vaughan because I was just as confused as everybody
else.  That is why I asked if anyone knew anything about it.

I am astounded that someone from Ai Squared did not make an announcement
on this listand explain just what it all meant and what actions members
would need to take. It is very disappointing that the info was posted on
another list first.

Neville.



On 18/01/2017 11:48 AM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:



-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2017 2:40 p.m.
To: 'Sky Mundell'
Subject: RE: certificate revoked message from Ai Squared

Thanks Sky, and my sincere apologies to Neville and the list 
members.  I was wrong!


However: would have been helpful if AI Squared put the news out 
through its various distribution mechanisms - including this list.


So: lets all be ready - and once again, just confirming my apology.


Vaughan.

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Re: Calculator

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

I was having some problems with it until the last big upgrade of 
windows.  Now it appears to work fine.  Not certain of what happened 
with the last upgrade but whatever it was it solved my calculator 
issues.  Good Luck! de


 .


On 17-Jan-17 18:53, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Anyone have success with the calculator in Windows 10 1607 edition?

Pastor Gil
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Re: windows 10 cmd command

[Jim via Talk]

Thanks Rod!

Just followed your instructions and the problem is solved!  Thanks 
Again, that was becoming a bit more than annoying.


 Catch Ya Later de
.
On 16-Jan-17 08:53, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Joseph and Jim,

Actually, I just figured out how to fix this.
If you open the command shell, and press Alt-spacebar, you'll activate the 
system menu for the command shell window.
If you arrow down to Properties, and press Enter, you'll be in a multi-tab 
dialog, and you'll be in the first tab, called Options.
Simply tab to the check box named Use legacy console, check it, tab to Ok and 
press Enter.
As the check box label states, you will need to restart the command shell 
window for the changes to take effect, but, once reopened, the repeating of 
screen content no longer occurs.

Hth,

Rod


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:31 AM
To: 'Jim Ruby' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: windows 10 cmd command

Hi:

I too have noticed this ever since I upgraded to Win 10 last year.

Hopefully, WE developers know about this, but.

However, right now, the only work-around I have found is to use NVDA
whenever I need the command window.




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Subject: windows 10 cmd command

Hi,

Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is this
happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?

Thanks.

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Re: windows 10 cmd command

[Jim via Talk]

Yes! I wish there was some way to get it to stop..!

.


On 16-Jan-17 10:15, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Yes, the same thing happens with me.

-Original Message- From: Jim Ruby via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:41 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: windows 10 cmd command

Hi,

Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is 
this

happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?

Thanks.

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reading PDFs

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Folks!

Was trying to read our Radio Club's news letter which is in PDF format.  
I am using Acrobat PDF Reader DC - I believe that is what it is called.  
I open the PDF attachment in thunderbird and there appears to be text on 
the screen but all Window-Eyes will say when I am arrowing through the 
document is "Top Bottom"'  I wonder if anyone knows what might be going 
on..? I have read PDF files using this program in the past with no 
issues.  Can someone please advise! THANKS and Have A Great Day! de


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Re: Alternative Interface?

[Jim via Talk]

Well I know this isn't very high-tech, but I have used a pitch-pipe 
to tune guitars with and I find they work very well.  I know this isn't 
exactly a high-tech method but it always worked for me.  Of course You 
may be looking for something that you can interface with some other 
piece of equipment in that case the pitch-pipe wouldn't work.  Jus a 
suggestion!  Catch Ya Later de


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On 15-Jan-17 17:36, Dave via Talk wrote:

When it comes to making items accessible.  When it comes to software,
for years, I have wondered why a Software Company could not have two
interfaces, one for the Sighted world, and one for the blind, that use
screen readers.

And the choosing of which interface to use can be done the first time
the software runs, or at any time after.

I am a Musician that plays guitar and some Keyboard.  As Sonar became
more and more complex, it seemed as if the accessibility shrank and
shrank until the last three or four editions are almost useless to
someone using a screen reader.

JAWS seems to be a bit further ahead, when it comes to Scripts but even
then, I don't know if they have done anything for reading any edition of
Sonar past 8.X.

There are software based Synthesizers, that are quite powerful that are
for the most part off limits to someone using a screen reader.
Addictive Drums is a software package that simulates Drums, all kinds of
drums.  Everything from the old time drum kits from the 1920's to the
ultra modern Hip-Hop electronic drums sounds.  Loads of drum styles, and
I start Drooling when I think of what I could do to improve the sound of
my recordings, if only I had access to this Addictive Drum software
package. But, last I checked, it isn't a package that is all that
accessible.

Same goes for some software based Guitar Pedal packages.  Loads of
guitar effects, all customizable to my own tastes and it is all off
limits.  Screen reader can't read the screens.  The one I wanted is
absolutely silent.

And for those you who think I am whining, think again.   Please don't
insult me because I point out an area that I wish was available to me
and others.

I wondered if it would be possible to have a second main screen, this
one friendly to screen readers etc.

How much would it cost the Company to add such a screen?  Don't know.
Don't know how much effort it would take to make such a screen.

I dream of such screens for all of the software that I find less than
friendly to screen reader usage.

What if it took another week or two of development, or even another
month of development time.  Would you pay another $100 extra to have
such a accessible screen? I know I would.

Companies that make an attempt to make their software Screen Reader
Friendly, seem to make the attempt to making their main screens
accessible.  have no idea if they have ever considered making an
alternative screen for their programs use by the Blind.

Today when pricing is so competitive, and Companies are striving to be
the cheapest, even if it is by a Dollar or two under their competitors
product, I don't know how willing some company would be to add a Screen
Reader friendly interface, if doing that will cause their products price
to rise by $100.


Grumpy Dave




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Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Dave and Group!

Dave, can you site some examples of what you are talking about -2 steps 
forward and 3 back or 3 forward and 2 back? I have been using 
Window-Eyes since version 5.1  and every major update has given a great 
deal more functionality to the program as well as the user as fara as I 
can see.  Wonder if you might be able to site a specific example where 
things are broke or just don't work as well.  Yes, I do have to learn a 
few things with these updates but I consider that to be part of using 
technology.  If I run across something that just doesn't work or at the 
least work as advertised I will be the first to scream and jump up and 
down and want to know what is wrong.  B*ut just because something works 
a bit differently doesn't mean that it is broke.  I guess I have gone on 
long enough on this subject.  BTW, I have yet to find any real issues 
with W.E. aside from a Thunderbird issue which isn't related  to W.E. as 
far as I can see since I experience the same issues with NVDA and 
Narator.  Have A Good 1! de*


*.*


On 12-Jan-17 11:03, John Farley via Talk wrote:

And do you think that the world of television, domestic appliances,
automobiles etc. are any different.

The VI community are not immune from change.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:30 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Yes, it does seem as if those who sell products to earn a living, cannot
resist the temptation to change it, and changing it sometimes is for the
better, but many times, the changes is one or two steps backwards.

Marketing puts pressure on Development to come up with something NEw NEW
NEW, and so Development does, and Marketing is Happy, but is the end
user always happy?

Most people that use a computer, are not Computer Geeks.  They use the
computer, to do their jobs, or to do their household duties, Bill paying
etc.

and when Microsoft, or who ever comes out with their latest offering,
people are forced to re=learn what they had already learned in the
earlier edition of the same software.

I talk with people all over the country, and I do this on my job.  And
computers is what we talk about.  Time and time again, people have told
me, they do not like Big Big changes.  Changes big enough to require
them to look at the latest edition and wonder where they start, because
the new edition is so different.

Now it takes three steps to do what once took two, or even one.

In the case of Screen Readers, now our Readers read even less of the
program than it did before.

this is what I mean by going backwards.

I have no solution, as it seems that Change is the best way to gain
new customers but once these customers are familiar with the program,
any major changes are not welcome, unless those changes streamline the
work the program does for the user.

One Step forward and Two Steps back?

  this is not Progress, just in case anyone is confused.

Grumpy Dave




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RE: We mouse no longer reads the scrreen in Thunderbird

[Jim via Talk]

Now I have the latest version of TB but the mouse no longer reads the
screen.  Can this be fixed and if so how? 
Regards
Jim
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Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:26 AM
To: 'Neville'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Best version of Thunderbird to use

Please tell me where I can download the latest version? 
Jim
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Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 7:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Best version of Thunderbird to use

The latest.
Neville.


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> What is the best version of Thunderbird to use?  I am using an older 
> version and starting to have problems.  Please advise.
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Re: window eyes.

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Well as of about a week ago, they were still selling Window-Eyes.  Don't 
think theye are going to just stop selling and supporting their product 
without some sort of public notice.  You know, I call them fairly 
regularly and talk to them.  No issues with that at this end.  I have 
every intention of purchasing a new SMA as soon as I can aford it and 
according to the folks I talked with several weeks ago they are and will 
be available for purchase.  I guess anything is possible but I am the 
eternal optimist.  Catch Ya All Later! de


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On 11-Jan-17 15:20, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:
apperently the people at VFO are asuming all people have the free 
window eyes for office, this makes me wonder if they have stopped 
sellingwindow eyes all together. has anyone had problems with their 
apps not being installed or not showing up after countless of restarts 
and shut downs i can not get any of my apps to show up i have shut off 
and on appsand that does not seem to work either.



On 1/11/2017 2:04 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Where do you turn it off?



-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:56 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Pam,
Having passwords say star is just a Window-Eyes option that's on by
default. It's so we're not broadcasting our password through speech when
others are around. But you can turn it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 2:47 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

I just realized a little while ago about the subject of this message:
passwords not speaking.  I was always told that passwords would not be
spoken for security reasons.  It says star instead.  Or was the person
saying that it didn't even say star?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:02 PM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Brice,

I'd keep this in mind. And if you have any problems with Window-Eyes 
I'd

put it in an exclusion list. Your antivirus may consider it a key
logger. Although if it does usually none of the browse mode keys work.

Regards,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 1:27 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Did you install a new virus suite? The one I use prevents any feedback
when entering my password. You don't even hear star.
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Re: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

[Jim via Talk]

Thanks very much for that!

Jim!


On 10-Jan-17 10:26, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
 Finally, some words of wisdom on the subject!  These guys 
aren't going to keep things secret on purpose.  they're not going 
should we tell them now? nope, lets make them wait a few more 
weeks...it's not like that.  There are legal reasons why no 
announcement has been made.  Either keep using Window-eyes, or don't. 
the choice is up to you.





On 1/10/2017 8:22 AM, Barbara via Talk wrote:
Just a few thoughts.  Smile.  All of us would like some answers, but 
we will
have to wait.  It is not uncommon for either legal or business 
reasons that
public announcements get delayed when there is a business 
reorganization.


Your comments about selling shares of stock is not likely to be a good
business choice for a company of this size.  Any size company can 
become a
corporation, but there is a great deal more administration, expenses, 
and

taxes for a business when it becomes a corporation.  Also some business
decisions may be made to keep shareholders happy which may also have 
effects
which may not be otherwise made.  Since none of us have the 
information on
this business, and should not have it, just waiting is all a customer 
can
realistically do.  Remember this is a private business and not a 
government
agency, public organization,  or a nonprofit organization which have 
more

requirements for public disclosure.

All the best,

Barbara


-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:26 AM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; Reeva Webb 
Subject: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

Goodmorning all,

Can for once Gw-Micro do us a faviour and tell us the customers who paid
them lot of money for WE what is the exact current status of 
Window-eyes and

what are the VFO intentions for the future as regarding Window-Eyes.

At least for the money we paid gw-micro in the past years, we the loyal
customers deserve some solid explanation

Why in the Hell gw-micro does not put shares on the market instead of
selling the vompany to the VFO, which I'm pretty sure nothing good will
comes out!

Thanks,





Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

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[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, 09 January 2017 18:06
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely not dead!

I went to the VFO site and Window Eyes is listed under the AISquared 
list of

brands. I went to AISquared and now Window Eyes is listed there. This is
just what GWMicro said that their sites would eventually be combined. 
-

Original Message -
   From: Reeva Webb via Talk
   To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 11:23 AM
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely dead!


   If he's gone, then that really is death nail. I won't start up on 
this too
   bad but once the trade shows start, atia, csun etc. The future 
will be

   clear.

   "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
promised
   night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of 
Jericho


   Reeva

   On Jan 9, 2017 10:13 AM, "Don H via Talk" 


   wrote:

   I recently Emailed Arron Smith and got no reply so I am unsure he 
is still

   there.


   On 1/9/2017 10:07 AM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

   > Hello
   >
   > As I mentioned previously,when the folks who do the real work 
leave, not

   > much can happen. I wonder how many of the GW team remains?
   >
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RE: Best version of Thunderbird to use

[Jim via Talk]

Please tell me where I can download the latest version? 
Jim
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The latest.
Neville.


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Re: NEW YEARS RESOLUTION!

[Jim via Talk]

We'll see..! I know it will be difficult, but I will try to stick with 
that one and maybe that one only.  My other resolution has already been 
broken, I resolved to go to the Gymn at least 2 to 3 times a weekk, but 
thus far haven't made it once this year..?  Guess that says alot for my 
making and keeping resolutions.  But seriously, I really do need 
to get to the gymn on a regular basis so that is one that I am going to 
try to keep.  As far as not speculating on Window-Eyes,that is still 
debatable!  Catch Ya All Later de .



On 06-Jan-17 07:20, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Yeah, it would be a boring life, because there would be nothing to 
say. Pam.


-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:07 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: NEW YEARS RESOLUTION!

Sorry Jim, but your New Year's resolution Sucks.  Gosh, If I only talked
about stuff I absolutely know everything about, I'd never talk! And
theWorld just would not be the same if Grumpy Dave stopped talking, or
writing.

However, if you and the two or three others, who never want to talk
about the future of Window Eyes also adopt your New Year's Resolution,
then the list would be freed up of post after post telling us to shut up
etc.

Jim, I've had time to think about your Resolution for this New Year, and
I think it is a Fantastic one.  Go for it, and I hope you are able to
keep with it through the entire year.

Grumpy Dave





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Re: New Year's Resolution, for Fun

[Jim via Talk]

Sorry you already broke your own resolution!

.


On 06-Jan-17 09:25, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

"I resolve not to make a new year's resolution." Is that statement true or 
false?

Peter Duran


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NEW YEARS RESOLUTION!

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there FOLKS!

I have thought of a great new years resolution, no more talking about 
things unless I have all the facts! That includes discussing the demise 
or not of AiSquared! I wonder how many others will follow suit..?  Just 
a suggestion.  Have A Great Day! de


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Re: Support????

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there FOLKS!

Just talked to someone at ASquared about the purchase of an SMA and he 
assured me that all was well with AiSquared.  I will more than likely be 
purchasing the SMA at the end of this month.  So yaul can turn off the 
AiSquared out the door alarm again

Window-Eyes is still ALIVE AND KICKING!

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there folks! Hope that subject is a bit more realistic as to the use 
of Window-Eyes.  Anyhow, as I stated in a previous MSG, I have evry 
intention of purchasing a new SMA as soon as I am able! I will simply 
have to wait and see what happens with the development of future 
versions of Window-Eyes. Personally I would hate to see it go, but if it 
does, I will just have to make do with whatever screen reader I can 
find. Catch Ya All Later! de


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding 
this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I 
think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally 
unfounded rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to 
discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and 
spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE 
folks!  Have A Great Day! de


.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
selling it?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
than Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update,
andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore you spend
an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
else in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves
and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find
her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to
do with the desperation of many who are Blind.
   Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a
Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive,
for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests
them and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of
JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as
the computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the
owners, and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem
with a Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to
raise its uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they
believe the Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting
paid for by our Government, the same government that will pay $600
for a Toilet Seat, why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen
Reader program? After all, Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few
people who are Blind can afford it, with most living on minimum wage
jobs, or some level of Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than
Window Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of
people to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the
days of DOS to just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared
I

Re: Wayning Window-eyes

[Jim via Talk]

I certainly can understand your frustration, but the day that I call 
AISquared for technical support or to purchase a new SMA and I either 
get the recording that the number I have dialed is no longer in service  
or when the person answering the phone answers "VFO or JAWS" I will not 
believe that it is actually dead! I wonder when that will happen..? Have 
A Good 1! de


.


On 19-Dec-16 14:00, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

What is required is for VFO to say something.

Whilst I respect those who ask us to stop the speculation, they appear to be 
missing the evidence.

For example: if a product is basically free, and given that this free product's 
code is still protected - will there be on-going development or will the code 
be released into the public domain?

Given that there are numerous bugs some of which are long standing - will those 
bugs get replaced by other bugs as a new version is released?

Why would anyone - including myself - continue to purchase Window-eyes beynd 
Software Maintenance agreements, which at this stage, are looking unlikely to 
be honoured?

If VFO was annoyed with this enless speculation, why does it not use a listserv 
which it owns to give us some definitive answers to reasonable questions?

I am putting off the moment when I will be forced to agree to use to JFW.  But 
VFO continues to provide JFW UPDATES, BECAUSE IN TRUTH, vfo IS JUST THE FRONT 
FOR THE PREDATORY BEHAVIOURS OF Freedom Scientific.



Vaughan.



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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk
Sent: Monday, 19 December 2016 11:13 p.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wayning Window-eyes

All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time professionally 
as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness agency every day. At a 
recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room did most certainly seem to be 
that VFO most likely does have plans to quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes, 
either now or in the not too distant future. The question I asked was, why are 
we, that is the assistive tech department, going to officially be promoting the 
use of NVDA as a free screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that 
Window-eyes can also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies 
came back that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes'
days may in truth be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer 
of Gw Micro since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back 
when it used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to 
be Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I do feel that Gw 
Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to perhaps learn new ways of 
becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I certainly hope the shark 
doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!

Brandon Miller

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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Joe And Folks!

I don't think Window-Eyes is going anywhere in the near future, they are 
still sellin SMAs and according to what they said to me about 3 to 4 
days ago they will be selling them for the near future.  I guess 
anything could happen between now and then, but I am certainly not going 
to spend my time speculating about something that might or might not 
happen.  You know the world might get struck by an astroid and all this 
discussion would be for not.  Enjoy Window-Eyes while it is here 
and if for some reason it happens to go away, we will just have to find 
another screen reader.  Have A Good 1! de


.


On 19-Dec-16 09:08, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:

Yes, I hear you loud and clear. I was around when when the lies was just beginning 
and I was swayed by the very helpful people who had me sitting in the chair using 
vocalize instead of just "preaching about its merits. What a great day that was 
for me I believe it was at one of the major summer convention.

Jo Taliaferro

On Dec 19, 2016, at 4:12 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 wrote:

All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time professionally 
as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness agency every day. At a 
recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room did most certainly seem to be 
that VFO most likely does have plans to quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes, 
either now or in the not too distant future. The question I asked was, why are 
we, that is the assistive tech department, going to officially be promoting the 
use of NVDA as a free screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that 
Window-eyes can also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies 
came back that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes' days may in 
truth be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer of Gw Micro 
since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back when it used 
to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to be Arkenstone 
who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I

 d

  o feel that Gw Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to perhaps 
learn new ways of becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I certainly 
hope the shark doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!

Brandon Miller

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

You know it's rumors and gosup

 like this that creates a great deal more problems than it actualy 
solves.  So, when we here a rumor or a tid bit of gosup we should simply 
ignore it unless it comes directly from AISquared or VFO. Lets continue 
to use this list for what it was intended for, discussing Window-Eyes 
and issues pertaining to Window-Eyes.  Catch Ya Later! de

.
On 18-Dec-16 12:17, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...





On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
selling it?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
good

job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something 
else

in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's 
eyes,

as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a 
Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of 
DOS to

just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good. And there 
were

times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, 
and so

when I did have those times when my

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

Actually I will phone support with questions and when I do I always get 
my problems resolved.  I actually did send support a couple emails in 
the last month and both times I got a response within approximately 7 to 
10 days.  The Number I call is (260)489-3671 and press option 3.  
Generally The operater will come on and ask how she can direct your call 
and also ask for your name.  I give my name and then tell her I wish to 
speak with someone in tech support and she connects me right up.  Not 
certain of the number that Pam is using, but I presume she has had a 
similar experience.  BTW, There have been times that I simply left a 
message and they got back to me the same day or at the latest the next 
day.  Good Luck BRICE! and Have A Great Day! de


.


On 18-Dec-16 11:32, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I never emaille support.  I always get on the phone to them, so I can 
talk one on one with somebody.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of 
DOS to

just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there 
were

times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as 
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate 
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about 
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the 
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about 
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
APPRECIATE!. 



On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.  Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
Window Eyes etc.

Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader.  I use NVDA on occasion,
but it is not powerful enough to do everything I need from a Screen
Reader.  There may come a Day when I must buy my own copy of JAWS.  I
won't like it, but if they are the only Game in town, then what choice
do I have?I will reluctantly make my purchase.

Grumpy Dave







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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

Is this nonsense going to start all over? I certainly hope not!

THANKS de

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On 17-Dec-16 20:40, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:

It always was, at least since they became Greedom.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk  
wrote:

Are there already a lot of things that Window-Eyes doesn't work well with? Speaking of "the 
shark", I rather liked Freedom Science Fiction, or Bleed 'Em Scientific, or one I came up with 
"Free-dumb" Scientific.
Kim Lingo


-Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:21 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Your right about JAWS now that it is under VFO

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
To: Veronica Smith
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years
before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith 

wrote:

Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about
that fish. Tell me why or why not. V

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with
NVDA, mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version
of WE to read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the
various related articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read
them. I do hope that WE will continue to be around but I'm preparing
for the worst by trying to learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to

using the Shark.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
they weren't called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or
make them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.

Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced.
I only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream
and run every time I mentioned user windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
options" is checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom



On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows
you are talking about?  pam.

-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of
Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've
created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows,
Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes
8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more
text than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter
of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and
not so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major
problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because
either the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or
Windows 10 is not displaying the Drives.


 From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one

time.

If I want to send another file, then the 

Re: Thunderbird

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there MIKE!

When I close Thunderbird and open it again, it generally opens in the 
last folder I was in.  One thing you might try is Shift tabbing back to 
the list of folders.  My only real issue with ThunderBird is that the 
W.E. focus tends to jump around.  Oh, I did find a solution to the 
problem of ThundrBird not responding.  I simply have to remember to keep 
each particular mailbox at a reasonable size.  I hate to say it but some 
of my mailboxes had litterally thousands of messages in them and I think 
this was causing some real issues.  Just a bit of advice.  Catch 
Ya Later! de


.i ca


On 14-Dec-16 09:55, Michael via Talk wrote:

Hi, all.  Well, I have figured out how to change the sort order of messages.
I am now deleting unwanted messages, but I am also trying to keep certain
messages.  When I read a message and try to close it, I can't figure out how
to close it so that when I open thunderbird from the shortcut, the message
opens but I don't want it to open.How do I get the inbox to open when I
launch thunderbird.  How do I keep the message from coming up that this
message is protected, yada yada yada.

  


Mike M.

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Solitaire

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Folks!

I really enjoyed playing Solitaire for years! But since the last Windows 
10 update the game has been gone from my desktop.  I press the windows 
key and type Solitaire and I do get a game that way.  Problem, 
Window-Eyes use to read all the cards, but now doesn't read anything?  I 
tried redrawing the screen and this didn't works either.  Wonder if 
anyone might have an idea on what I might do to get Window-Eyes to read 
the cards again? Or does someone have a suggestion on another W.E. 
friendly solitaire game?  I have been playing the standard Klontike 
version and had no issues with it at all.  Any suggestions would be 
appreciated!  THANKS Much! P.S. I generally use the speech for the face 
cards since I have a bit of a problem distingushing some of the face 
cards.  BTW, I have tried both NVDA as well as Microsoft Narator and 
neither of them read the cards either. .


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No speech with keyboard

[Jim via Talk]

Members 
My system win7 home premium ms office 2003.
I uninstalled we 9.53 this morning and reinstalled version 9.51.
Now I get no speech when typing .  We will read the screen when I arrow back
across the text. Where do I find the dialog to control the keyboard
functions? 
Please help.
Jim  


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