Re: [tw5] Re: Twitter News -- Short Discussion of Logo

[John Newell]

2 points :

(1) apologies if i mis-comminicated that - there's no way i am suggestIng
thd use of an elephant styled icon / logo . i was merely illustrating
the connectons  that can be made or aligned with certain animals or icons
.

(2) the "rubix cube'" styled sphere should bd :

- fewer in "stems" for a simplified vetsion that is cohesive in smaller
renditions  and with a range of colours to suggest diversity of content
utility. i am working on a simplified version where the stem "faces"
show icons for text, images, links, docs, etc

Bottom lime is that proffering ideas  that may assist Jeremy's objectives
are supportive and mag resonate with him.



On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 at 10:59 am, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 2:10:16 AM UTC-7, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> With the exception of wiki - what purpose for *recall* do the animals
>> have? If you HAD TO USE AND ANIMAL - perhaps an elephant would portray the
>> ability to never forget or lose data, ideas etc .
>>
>
> Already taken by a company with $300 million dollar investment that is
> very likely to take a dim view of anyone else's elephant.
>
>
>
>>
>>-
>>   -
>>
>>
>> https://icon2.kisspng.com/20180308/itq/kisspng-3d-computer-graphics-ball-stereoscopy-red-cube-sphere-5aa10bf3622201.336600641520503795402.jpg
>>
>> [image:
>> https://icon2.kisspng.com/20180308/itq/kisspng-3d-computer-graphics-ball-stereoscopy-red-cube-sphere-5aa10bf3622201.336600641520503795402.jpg]
>>
>
>
> It should be tilted 20 degrees to better convey the "earth" connotation
> and parallel wikipedia. If it's like a Rubik's cube, it should be in
> multiple colors. The red color would clash with most of the main TW themes.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Twitter News -- Short Discussion of Logo

[John Newell]

interesting response 

you've missed the objective of the purpose of a logo - which is primarily 

the identifier face of a company or product -

and to create a subliminal link between thelogo/icon and the brand name. 

it is neant to have a RECOGNITION FACTOR 

which is not delivered by the look or functionality of a webpage 

if that WAS the case then you'd identify this top 20 globalwebsite in an 
instant - which i am sure 90% + would not ( i am confident about that having 
just tested it by blurring only 2 small parts of the home page 
.
10% recognition factor isn't branding 






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> On 23 Aug 2018, at 4:05 am, bimlas  wrote:
> 
> The logo (at least some kind of it) is shown only on the last two. While 
> viewing these sites, did you looked at the logo of the site itself? I don't 
> think so. How do you recognize a site? I think the colors and the shape, the 
> overall design gives more "personality" to a website than an "avatar", an 
> icon. I absolutely agree with Jeremy that Tiddly needs design improvements 
> instead of replacing an image what you see in very rare times. If a newcomer 
> wants to know Tiddly,

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[tw5] Re: Twitter News -- Short Discussion of Logo

[John Newell]

On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 7:40:47 PM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> A short discussion starts here: 
> https://twitter.com/ABSamma/status/1028771729689255938 asking for a 
> "Fish" not a "Cat" logo.
>
> Just for info, and comment, if you have one.
>
> @TiddlyTweeter 
>


I have read most of the posts on this and have a few suggestions, notions 
and comments on potentially creating the right brand for tiddlywiki.
I am aware I may be shot down for this - but I echo the years of comments 
from hundreds of clients and friends with whom I have shared the wonder of 
TW.
Almost to a man ( or woman ) they scoff at "tiddlywiki" as being twee in 
their perspective of the "brand / name"


   - Adam Shepherd's design rings true in many ways  but mostly in the 
   icon / logo being square ( best shape for most uses )
   - Since I first bumped into TW - I believe the "disconnects" are the 
   "wiki" "tiddly" "cat" "fish" 
   - With the exception of wiki - what purpose for *recall* do the animals 
   have? If you HAD TO USE AND ANIMAL - perhaps an elephant would portray the 
   ability to never forget or lose data, ideas etc .
   
   - *Some relevant* google search results
   - ...Tumblr *1.86B*
   - ...Posterous - closed for 5 years now  *1.79M*
   - ...tiddlywiki  *682K*  -- not many by comparison - so any 
   rebranding will be HOPEFULLY witnessed by a fresh new market - 
   
   there's little damage that can be done with a brand / logo change 
   as those who *know *TW ARE  the vast majority of those who *use it*. 
   
   The *big market* is still out there waiting to discover the magic 
   tiddlywiki offers. 
   and they are  unaware of the branding issue
   
   - TW is a magic organiser in one place
  - one file - with all it's parts beautifully connected  - 
  - easy to learn - 
  - a wondrous challenge to master - 
  - globally useful - 
  - free - 
  - a community of support and ideas.
  
  - My suggestion for the LOGO - ) for the likes of Adam Shepherd to 
   mock up ) - is a *spherical rubiks cube* - 
   
   sort of like this BUT with :
   
   - a variety of colour
  - fewer "nodes"
  - more variance between *closed and open *.
  

   
https://icon2.kisspng.com/20180308/itq/kisspng-3d-computer-graphics-ball-stereoscopy-red-cube-sphere-5aa10bf3622201.336600641520503795402.jpg

[image: 
https://icon2.kisspng.com/20180308/itq/kisspng-3d-computer-graphics-ball-stereoscopy-red-cube-sphere-5aa10bf3622201.336600641520503795402.jpg]

   - 
   - where every "node" is interconnected..
  - and easy to manipulate
  
  - That also represents :
   - global, 
  - malleable, 
  - smart, 
  - organised, 
  - solid, 
  - reliable in operation ..
  
  - and ( sort of emulates the wikipedia format but dynamic - ref : 
   [image: 
   
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Wikipedia_Logo_1.0.png/220px-Wikipedia_Logo_1.0.png]
   
   "just saying "
   


 

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Re: [tw5] Reducing self-contained TW's when images add so much "bloat"

[John Newell]

Thanks Jeremy
Sounds like that just saved me from something near-catastrophic when I 
would update to 5.1.18.

I look forward to that release

cheers, John


On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 8:50:16 PM UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Thanks John, I’d missed the original thread. I’ve added support for 
> image/webp for 5.1.18:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/09112ed455e7c4be2e50e88c00f370d726d71f64
>
> The update also includes support for Apple’s new HEIC/HEIF format.
>
> By the way, you should take care you remove your modified copy of boot.js 
> when you upgrade to 5.1.18, otherwise things will go badly wrong.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 21 Aug 2018, at 11:22, John Newell > 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks to the assistance of *Andreas Hahn* , I have successfully - and 
> dramatically - reduced the size of self-contained TW files that I use when 
> internet is problematic.
>
> By using the advice of Andreas - after he assured my the USE and DISPLAY 
> of webp images was a relatively simple process.
> Refer here for his adaptation for webp delivery in TW : 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/webp/tiddlywiki/sEgj9GFbMpM/WVFI-bwSAQAJ
>
> FYI - WebP <https://developers.google.com/speed/webp/> is an image file 
> format from Google that provides lossy compression (like JPEG) as well as 
> transparency (like PNG) but can provide better compression than either JPEG 
> or PNG.
>
> In 3 recent LARGE self-contained ( images embedded within the single html 
> file - rather than linked to local folders - or online ) Tiddlywikis
> I have reduced file size from over 70MB to under 18MB 
> and the screen refreshes have reduced in time dramatically.
>
>- *Online conversion* can be done here on this page - 
>https://image.online-convert.com/convert-to-webp
>- *Sketch* is able to export any resource in a design document to 
>*WebP* natively
>- *The homepage for webp* : https://developers.google.com/speed/webp
>
> I assume most of you know this already - but it may be of help to the less 
> technically minded like me .
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[tw5] Reducing self-contained TW's when images add so much "bloat"

[John Newell]

Thanks to the assistance of *Andreas Hahn* , I have successfully - and 
dramatically - reduced the size of self-contained TW files that I use when 
internet is problematic.

By using the advice of Andreas - after he assured my the USE and DISPLAY of 
webp images was a relatively simple process.
Refer here for his adaptation for webp delivery in TW : 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/webp/tiddlywiki/sEgj9GFbMpM/WVFI-bwSAQAJ

FYI - WebP  is an image file 
format from Google that provides lossy compression (like JPEG) as well as 
transparency (like PNG) but can provide better compression than either JPEG 
or PNG.

In 3 recent LARGE self-contained ( images embedded within the single html 
file - rather than linked to local folders - or online ) Tiddlywikis
I have reduced file size from over 70MB to under 18MB 
and the screen refreshes have reduced in time dramatically.

   - *Online conversion* can be done here on this page - 
   https://image.online-convert.com/convert-to-webp
   - *Sketch* is able to export any resource in a design document to *WebP* 
   natively
   - *The homepage for webp* : https://developers.google.com/speed/webp

I assume most of you know this already - but it may be of help to the less 
technically minded like me .



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Re: [tw5] webp images

[John Newell]

On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 7:19:11 PM UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>
> Currently TW has no explicit support for webp. There is no reason why it 
> wouldn't be able to support it though, you can just add "image/webp" to 
> the list of registered filetypes in `$:/boot/boot.js` [1] and you should 
> be good, assuming you have a browser with webp support. 
>
> /Andreas 
>
> [1] Hint: just open the tiddler, search for "image/png" and insert a 
> similiar looking line for webp. 
>


Hi Andreas - much appreciated  before I save it - is this the line I 
should add ?

$tw.utils.registerFileType("image/webp","base64",".webp",{flags:["image"]});

cheers

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[tw5] webp images

[John Newell]

Can Tiddlywiki display webp images? If so, how?

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[tw] Re: Ghostwriter TW5 theme by Rory Gibson - How to Disable Timestamp

[John Newell]

Awesome - you are a legend ( to one who struggles with the hidden code ) 

I'll be posting up the Directory website that is being built on strikingly 
- and exported TW pages hosted with padlet.com
It's a strange mash-up - but delivers a very unique and powerful 
combination of fast loading, responsive, dynamic content

keep an eye out for "YarraValleySecrets" and www.tradie.site

cheers


On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 4:02:00 PM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
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> .tc-tiddler-title::after {display:none}
>
>  
> I agree it is a lovely theme,
>
> Birthe
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[tw] Re: Ghostwriter TW5 theme by Rory Gibson - How to Disable Timestamp

[John Newell]

Wow! That's fast an efficient - works straight away - thank you, Birthe.
Could I ask if you know how to remove the "." which 
replaces where the timestamp used to be?

( The tiddlers are being set up to be exported as individual html files - 
as Web Pages - so I need to kepe it simple and clean -
which this theme does so well.

again - thanks
john


On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 3:30:06 PM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
>a new tiddler named : *NoTimeStamp*
>tiddler content : div.tc-tiddler-frame .tc-subtitle {display:none;}
>   .tc-subtitle:after{display:none;} 
>tiddler tagged :  *$:/tags/Stylesheet*
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[tw] Ghostwriter TW5 theme by Rory Gibson - How to Disable Timestamp

[John Newell]

Can anyone please provide me the process required to hide/disable the 
tiddler timestamps for the Ghostwriter TW5 theme?

I tried the "standard" approach with:

   a new tiddler named : *NoTimeStamp*
   tiddler content : .tc-subtitle {display:none;}
   tiddler tagged :  *$:/tags/Stylesheet*

but that doesn't work.

Much appreciated in advance. cheers

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[tw] Has anyone used a hosted a TW5 as a Directory Site?

[John Newell]

I have a project that's almost fully mapped out to cover a range of trades 
and services to every city, region, town and suburb of Australia.

I am trying to keep the interface simple and clean.
... the platform manageable ( I am tiring of the bloat that keeps growing 
within Wordpress )
... and fast serving.

The ADVANTAGE that I have is that pages do NOT need to be deep.
In *almost *every case - each page is perfectly deliverable on a single 
page-screen.
The interconnectivity between pages anywhere makes TW5 a palpable 
option.

Though I believe it prudent to see what examples, guidance and advice may 
be derived from wiser and more experienced minds than mine 

There's ALSO tha advantage that this directory CAN be deliverable as a ( 
regularly updated ) ebook that is always on user's smart phones... ( akin 
to an APP without the need for appStores )

I am open to anything and everything I can be thrown.

with many thanks ( and a big shout of "AWESOME" to Jeremy on the latest 
iteration of Tiddlywiki
( when I think near-perfection has been achieved - you take it ANOTHER 
level - yet again )
Kudos !

cheers
John

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[tw] Re: [Theme] Moments: A little color won't hurt

[John Newell]

"Usual TW5 way take off their tags." - 
*oh, thanks - ( embarrassed for not thinking about that ! )*"Application of 
*READ 
ONLY* plugin to MOMENTS theme " - *I will let you know once I have applied 
it - seems appropriate for website where logins and access is not needed by 
anyone other than author/editor*

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 12:17:10 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
>
>
>
> If I want to HIDE the sidebar links "TOOLS" and "MORE" - how do I do that?
>>
>
> Usual TW5 way take off their tags.
>
> Before I test this TWtheme with the READONLY plugin : do you know if it 
>> applies successfully?
>>
>
> Nope. I am curious although.
>
> Thanks for the words.  
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[tw] Re: [Theme] Moments: A little color won't hurt

[John Newell]

Hi Riz - Moments is Beautiful - congrats.

As a standalone website - it rocks.
If I want to HIDE the sidebar links "TOOLS" and "MORE" - how do I do that?
Before I test this TWtheme with the READONLY plugin : do you know if it 
applies successfully?

cheers and Kudos - "Ghostwriter" has been a favourite ghost theme of mine 
since it's availability early on with ghost.org
Great adaptation.




On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 4:05:54 AM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
> Moments is a beautiful free and responsive theme available for wordpress. 
> This is an adaptation of the same for TW5 platform. All the design credits 
> goes to the site and the original designer.
>
> Screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/IgzJo
>
> To see demo and download the plugin, go to: 
> http://tesseractmoments.surge.sh/
>
> If you cannot see the left sidebar as shown in the screenshots, try 
> zooming out a bit. 
>
>
> Do let me know your inputs and feedbacks
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[John Newell]

Thanks - and "hi"  Richard... 

I am aware of the TiddlyManuals - an extensive project that - in my humble 
opinion - is great as a resource - but not as a "good read"
It works as a manual.

But have you tried opening it in a mobile device? ( several accessibility 
issues! )

For those of us who love the original TW - TW5 is far better and more 
*accessible 
*- which I believe is one of it's *more desirable attributes.*

Tiddly Manuals 

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> To start a new thread just click "new topic" on the main page of the group.
>
> Although it's not exactly the same thing, you may be interested in Dickon 
> Bevington's extensive use of tiddlywiki for producing clinical manuals. 
> http://tiddlymanuals.tiddlyspace.com/
>
> Regards,
> Richard
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[tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[John Newell]

On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 11:11:29 PM UTC+11, John Newell wrote:
>
> In furtherance to contact by "Josiah" questioning the differing needs 
> TWebooks have as novels .
>
> and following up on the emergence of TW5 as a Great ebook option >> 
> *https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/cUrhiFheiWY 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/cUrhiFheiWY>*
>
> Josiah - I agree with your point that when reading a novel on TW5 - 
> a long, deep page appears and bookmarking in any way akin to ePub 
> page-turning formats is neither practical, nor possible.
>
> *So : thinking laterally,* "*markers*" could be place at spacing of 
> approximately every screen page.
>
> Here's the image - *https://goo.gl/Zmk5pH <https://goo.gl/Zmk5pH>*   
> where a page with the marker is placed, and when clicked - where a CLEARLY 
> identifiable market is kept
> A nice synergy with a horizontal bookmarker - defining it as different to 
> the vertical physical bookmarker.
>
> NOTE :  I am checking to see if the OFFLINE reading process ( eg as 
> available on iOS - *goo.gl/Y1cjfQ <http://goo.gl/Y1cjfQ>* ) can be used 
> to SAVE changes by the user )
>
> ( NOTE - branded, artisitic, patterned etc bookmarks are easily embedded 
> just as the samplers are )
>
> Here's the basic code : creating an Appear Reveal with a thick coloured 
> line full width ( saved as *b1* - bookmark version 1 - purple )
>
> <$appear mode="inline">'' style="background-color:mediumorchid;height:7px;width:100%;left:0;top:0;">''
>
>
> Then , place this code in an empty line to make faster replications of the 
> b1 bookmark starting with this tiddler : *bk1*
>
> {{b1}}
>
> and repeat with extra tiddlers titled and embedded as 
>
>
> *{{bk2}} {{bk3}} {{bk4}} {{bk4}}  etcwhich stops all "appearing" - though 
> there's probably a more elegant way to do this.*Feedback, ideas and 
> options welcomed .. 
>

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[John Newell]

Hi Marc - and thanks for your input.

It's great to see another format where TW can provide a solution as a 
dynamic (e)book.

I hope I am reading this correctly - but the idea you have it to produce a 
collective TWebook 
- pristine -organised  -well presented.

distribute it and allow for each file distributed the ability for the 
reader / user to add THEIR comments, extra stories and perspectives.

and make THAT function *easy really easy.*

Whilst I totally believe that a hybrid TW5 could produce that. 
it may take time and be lower down the list than we'd like.

My solution currently is to purchase a *www.padlet.com 
<http://www.padlet.com>* account ($US29pa ) and add unique "padlets" as 
embeds to each TWeBook 
It does mean adding a unique embed code to each new copy of the TWebook for 
distribution.

but the uniqueness, readability and dynamics of padlet make that an awesome 
option.

padlet don't do a great job of opening the eyes and imaginations of the 
users that well..
but padlet is an IDEAL choice as any and all of these page ( tiddler ) 
options in your book :


   - gallery
   - journal
   - notes
   - copied docs ( such as Scout recipes )
   - storytelling ( a Scout tradition ) 
   - dynamic events listing ( which can also be easily "pulled in" via 
   iframe code )
   - inspirations

its also instantly renders :

   - mp3, mp4, avi
   - ppt, doc, pdf, txt, rtf, etc etc
   - png, svg, bmp, gif, jpg etc etc


and is my go to now that dropbox is discontinuing its rendering / hosting 
service.


I am excited by the interest developing on the recent "swing" to TW5 being 
used, recognised and further enhanced as a storytelling application.
Like most of the TW fraternity we predominantly use TW5 files as 
collections of information in snippets and related parts.
Linked easily by CamelCasing and markdown. 
And I'm sure we all get a "tingle of excitement" when a cool addition, 
plugin or slice of code makes it more dynamic.

But - to what end?
Yep - as a wiki - it is great. The best!

As a storytelling device - as clumsy or incomplete as WE may see it - TW5 
makes ePub look ugly and old as a book delivery format.
And ePub trails behind TW5 in the dynamics which are possible - AND - the 
emjoyable reading experience it provides.


*BUT - as Marc highlights - the fun *



On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 8:34:02 AM UTC+11, Marc wrote:
>
> I thought I'd chime in on this. I may be a renegade but I think TW5 can be 
> much better than an ePub because of its ability for the user to make 
> changes. 
>
> Our church has an excellent but dated family activity book. It has lots of 
> ideas with descriptions of each idea. Families that can't think of 
> something can look through the book and it sparks ideas. The best thing 
> about the book is the organization. 
>
> Often in our family we would assign a child to find an activity and there 
> are games and things to do on walks and all sorts of stuff. 
>
> It is also great for youth groups to come up with an annual plan of 
> activities. 
>
> One problem with the book is since it is a simple paper and ink book when 
> the kids get married they want a copy of our family version that has all 
> sorts of notes and phone numbers and stuff that has been added to the 
> pages. 
>
> I also have used this book with a Boy Scout group that I have worked with 
> for many years. When I am released from that role I know the next leader 
> would love a copy so he or she doesn't have to start over from scratch. 
>
> ePubs don't fill the bill because they aren't able to change and therefore 
> aren't cherished like this book is. 
>
> My idea is to create a TW that can be distributed in its pristine form and 
> keep it simple enough that users can easily make it there's. 
>
> This way I can keep one version for my scouts. In fact I can give versions 
> to the youth leaders and let them create their own patrol version and 
> someday I can simply email the latest version to the new leader when I 
> leave. And I can still have my Scout version for me to page through and 
> remember good memories. 
>
> I can also give copies of our family version to my kids and grandkids over 
> time. Wouldn't that make a great Christmas or wedding present. 
>
> I can see that ePub is a way to make money and protect intellectual 
> property but I would like to hear your thoughts about this use of TW. 
>
> Cheers
> Marc
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 7:45 AM, John Newell <magil...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jed - thanks for the feedback
>
> We actually tried doing that with Spiritual Quest eBook and rounded up 
> some ( novices to TW5 ) and gave them chapters done as slideshows. 
> displaying one page at a time - just clicking the series of small icons 

[tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[John Newell]

Hi Jed - thanks for the feedback

We actually tried doing that with Spiritual Quest eBook and rounded up some 
( novices to TW5 ) and gave them chapters done as slideshows. displaying 
one page at a time - just clicking the series of small icons atop that 
tiddler

there were a few that liked it - but the vast majority found :

   - the icons too small on mobile devices to navigate successfully ( the 
   "all-thumbs" response )
   - the pages then too many ( which is almost the same experience as ePub 
   ) except ePub benefits from finger-slide page turns AND auto-flowing of 
   fluid text
   - --- We questioned which felt better ePub or TWebook and TW was 
   categorically favoured - mainly because it LOOKED better overall.

The problem with slides is that you'd need a version for mobile, one for 
tablet and one for desktop in separating tiddlers..


TW5 already has inbuilt flowable text - DOWN the page - seemlessly.

Whilst that initially confused the throng of test bunnies we threw these 
to, they warmed to it - especially when the ability to have IMAGES appear 
where they should be was evident.


what is more natural on a TECH DEVICE ?

It has to be more comfortable that the weird mobile phone attachment 

that allows you to hear the other talked when you put you finger in your 
ear !!!
(SGNL - https://youtu.be/Yh1M5kVlNOw )




On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 11:25:52 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I think that with what we have right now you could just split your text 
> into different tiddlers for each section, where sections are either 
> paragraphs or something longer, and have them display in order with a theme 
> that doesn't show tiddler boundaries. It would be pretty simple to have 
> something analogous to a page be a few paragraphs long and have buttons 
> that will close the tiddlers currently displayed and open the set for the 
> next or previous page. Then bookmarks could be to a page in the same way 
> you would with epubs.
>
> The slide show plugins people have made already do pretty much this same 
> thing, it would just be a different display of the same thing. The most 
> difficult parts would probably be making tools to automatically split the 
> paragraphs into pages. It would be easy to just say that a page is equal to 
> 5 paragraphs, but if you have very long or very short paragraphs in some 
> part of the book than you would have inconsistently sized pages and you may 
> have some pages running off the screen. That could be a problem on some 
> readers, but the rest wouldn't be too hard.
>

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[tw] TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[John Newell]

In furtherance to contact by "Josiah" questioning the differing needs books 
as novels and as well, what Spiritual Quest is . :

and following up on the emergence of TW5 as a Great ebook option - 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/cUrhiFheiWY

Josiah - I agree with your point that when reading a novel on TW5 - a long, 
deep page appears and bookmarking in any way akin to ePub formats isn't 
possible.

So : thinking laterally, "markers" could be place at approximately every 
screen page depth part, down the page.

Here's the image - https://goo.gl/Zmk5pH

Here's the code : creating an Appear Reveal with a thick coloured line full 
width ( saved as *b1* - bookmark version 1 - purple )

<$appear mode="inline">


Then , place this code in an empty line to make faster replications of the 
b1 bookmark starting with this tiddler : *bk1*

{{b1}}

and repeat with extra tiddlers titled and embedded as 


*{{bk2}} {{bk3}} {{bk4}} {{bk4}}  etcwhich stops all "appearing" - though 
there's probably a more elegant way to do this.*Feedback, ideas and options 
welcomed .. 

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[tw] Re: An editable tiddler within an (otherwise) ReadOnly Tiddlywiki file

[John Newell]

Another alternative option to "standalone editable tiddlers" is this free 
note / journal site 
Have a look at it on your mobile - and image that embedded within a tidder 
as the editable tiddler 


https://penzu.com/p/1c0aa655

( please advise if it is not visible ) 

cheers John N


On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:25:05 PM UTC+11, John Newell wrote:
>
> Is this possible?
>
> A single ( or multiple ) tiddlers that can be used by the reader to take 
> notes .
> in a tiddlywiki file that has had ReadOnly applied to it ?
>
> No sidebar - just a unique tiddler* that has the edit and save ability 
> active in a normal tiddywiki.
>
> ( * or multiple tiddlers )
>
> with thanks
> John
>
>

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[tw] Re: An editable tiddler within an (otherwise) ReadOnly Tiddlywiki file

[John Newell]

BJ - Hi

Man, you have almost got what I need !!!
I understand it's a quick mock-up that you have created 
and I am appreciative of the effort 
( and I understand it is incomplete - 

   - I guess that the other tiddlers such as "Introduction Video" would 
   have NO editable / clickable top icons ( unlike it currently displays )
   - and that would also apply to $:/snippets/themeswitcher

For my purposes ( mainly being read on MOBILE devices - there is NO need 
for the sidebar, so other functionality would be provided similar to what 
was delivered on the Spiritual Quest eBook ( did you get a copy of that ? )

I agree that removal of the un-necessary buttons etc is probably cleaner - 
though my coming limitations keep me restricted to the ReadOnly plugin - 
which has served me well and keep time on project minimal.

I AM VERY KEEN TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE in the upcoming days!!!

Whilst a native TW solution is best -  the other options I have been 
working with are looking promising as an option
and I would be keen to hear your thoughts - 

HOWEVER : first I will propose the scenario 

*TW eBook / app * ( 

   - standalone html file - 
   - all inclusive viewable on most browsers
   - some content ( that needs to be time-relevant - eg events/ venue 
   updates - are internet-fed and delivered as embeds )

next - the product :

   - is NOT a novel - assume that it is a "*reference*" work - ( my current 
*Tourism 
   Directory* project will suffice )
   -  --- accommodation | wineries | attractions | dining | Relaxation | 
   sports | tours | breweries | retailing etc
   - This requires the use of tags and workable navigation options ( 
   WITHOUT the reader access to a sidebar )
   -  --- tags to provide LISTS of same groupings ( as above and by 
   location | other categoies : Eat | Drink | Stay | Play | etc 
   - so far - all covered really well..

NEXT - a good marketing tools needs a way for future customers to add 
notes/dates into Journals / Notepads ( as would other books that create 
ideas and challenges etc ) - and theres plenty of opportunity for the user 
/ reader / tourist to initiate interaction or bookings with listed clients.

   - Other chapters ( / tiddlers / pages ) within the *Tourism Directory* can 
   be created specifically for the Reader for Notes
   - These would likely be located at the beginning or end of each chapter 
   as reference points for their notes
   - These Notes Pages would have links to them in the Directory Listings
   - These Notes Pages should be UNIQUE, PRIVATE notes that the reader can *add 
   to - edit and delete - AND SAVE *as neccesary
   - As the primary device WILL be mobile phones the interface needs to be 
   clean - as a fresh tidder is !
   - App interaction suddenly becomes a great tool - IF IT SUITS THE USER 
   -   some will be comfortable and want to use apps ( eg evernote | 
   penzu | "pen.io" etc ) some will as the notes taken in-app can appear in 
   their TW pages !
   -  --- these would be embeds - all tested so far are editable on 
   desktop / mobile app / embed within tiddler 
   -   some will not - and an editable Tiddler woudl be the alternative.

That is likely FAR MORE info than you would like - but I am "in the groove" 
with this as it grows more attractive and desirable by the day 

Let's keep in touch 
you have my details ?
if not - connect via @magillamax on tw and I'll get my other connection 
details to you ( if you are OK with that )

Obviously most of what I learn through development of this and other TW 
instances for public consumption will be shared around..

cheers and thanks again.
JN


On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 7:10:24 PM UTC+11, BJ wrote:
>
> One of my plugins could be used for this, it allow tiddlers to have an 
> 'application type' and has methods to provide custom edit and view 
> templates for the different applications. I have put a demo here: 
> http://editablereadonly.tiddlyspot.com/
> I am modifying this at the moment so it will not be ready for release for 
> a couple of days.
>
> I would say that I am not in favor of hiding stuff with styles (like with 
> the read only theme). I prefer to remove the tags from the buttons and 
> other components that are not to be displayed. 
>
> All the best
>
> BJ
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:25:05 AM UTC+1, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> Is this possible?
>>
>> A single ( or multiple ) tiddlers that can be used by the reader to take 
>> notes .
>> in a tiddlywiki file that has had ReadOnly applied to it ?
>>
>> No sidebar - just a unique tiddler* that has the edit and save ability 
>> active in a normal tiddywiki.
>>
>> ( * or multiple tiddlers )
>>
>> with thanks
>> John
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

[John Newell]

Not trying too much to throw a blanket over the "wet blanket" post - but :

Whilst your observations are mostly valid - DANGER really only (possibly) 
applies if the TW file is editable by people other than the original author.
If YOU are the only person adding QR codes - you should know what you're 
delivering.

In order to keep the QR codes valid and safe - it is up to the author to 
RE-ASSURE the reader and provide some basic details that assist in that 
trust - 
you can find more information on this link *http://bit.ly/QRcodes1 
* along with an example and an APP to provide you the 
information about the end result of activating the QR redirection - by 
showing you what to expect. The NORTON App is free and well-respected.






On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:34:20 PM UTC+11, jwd wrote:
>
> Not to be a wet blanket but ...
>
> > Basically, QR codes can be used to transfer any block of text that isn’t 
> too long/complicated to fit.
>
> And that, of course, leads to the downsides of QR codes, e.g., 
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Qrljacking - the misuse of QR Codes to do 
> not so nice things.
>
> It seems to me that folks who use them on TW sites that allow federated 
> content are going to be implicitly trusting every other person with write 
> access to that federated content. Even static TW's on public sites are 
> going to have the same implications. It does not seem that there is 
> anything keeping from me putting a QR Code in a tiddler claiming to be my 
> contact info but instead sending the unsuspecting user to a phishing web 
> site first, or a Rick Roll. Or it might not be me but someone who simply 
> has obtained my login information to that publicly accessible content. 
> Maybe using Qrljacking.
>
> The TW community seems to be a very helpful one. But with its popularity 
> and capabilities increasing I am not sure that will remain universally true 
> indefinitely. A google of 'qr code vulnerabilities' mentions might give you 
> pause.
>
> -- 
> Jonathan 
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 9:01:16 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> There’s been a rash of updates to v5.1.14 in the last 10 days, making it 
>> a good time to have a look at the prerelease at 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> I’d like to highlight the new QR code generator plugin (installed in the 
>> prerelease so that you can try it out easily). I had little idea about QR 
>> codes before the recent correspondence here on the mailing list, but am now 
>> a convert. If you don’t have a QR code reader on your smartphone I’d highly 
>> recommend installing one to play with the prerelease.
>>
>> Basically, QR codes can be used to transfer any block of text that isn’t 
>> too long/complicated to fit. There are conventions for passing URLs, 
>> contact information, wifi details etc., but there is complete freedom; one 
>> can make a QR code of JSON if you want (actually a bad idea as the special 
>> characters appear to compress badly).
>>
>> The QR code plugin adds a generic macro for generating a QR code from a 
>> string, and also adds a couple of pre-built ways to use it:
>>
>> * A new view toolbar button that displays the current tiddler as a QR 
>> code. You can choose from the URL of the tiddler, the raw text, or the 
>> rendered text
>> * Example forms for generating QR codes for contacts, wifi and generic 
>> codes
>>
>> Once I’d found the library, getting the plugin up and running was 
>> surprisingly easy — I had the first operational version within 30 minutes 
>> of starting work. A good illustration of the excellent returns on the 
>> effort involved in integrating existing JavaScript components.
>>
>> There’s a full list of changes in the release note, but I’d highlight the 
>> following bigger changes:
>>
>> * Extended search mechanism to require the search string to be a minimum 
>> length
>> * New Hebrew translation, and preliminary support for RTL languages
>> * Improved access to plugin information:
>> ** New “Plugins” tab in the “More” sidebar tab, listing all installed 
>> plugins
>> ** Better display of plugin tiddlers themselves, duplicating the gadget 
>> used in control panel
>> * Fixed height of preview pane to use a scrollbar when fixed height 
>> layout is selected
>> * Improved modals and notifications so that global macros are available
>> * Extended the SetWidget to allow a single result to be selected from a 
>> filtered result list
>> * Added new $:/info/url/* information tiddlers providing document 
>> location information
>> * Added several new filter operators for string encoding/decoding strings 
>> according to HTML encoding, URI encoding, regexp escaping and JavaScript 
>> string encoding
>> * Improved support for bulk loading tiddler files via tiddlywiki.files 
>> Files within TiddlyWikiFolders
>>
>> I’d like to get v5.1.14 released in the next couple of weeks, so any 
>> feedback/thoughts/questions are much appreciated at this point.
>>
>> As ever, 

[tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

[John Newell]

Good thought - thanks for that advice ( first I knew of an actual 
www.example.com page ) cheers

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 11:27:58 PM UTC+11, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 11:19:10 AM UTC+2, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> Assuming a complete TW.html file is hosted at : 1234wxyz . com.
>> Creating a tiddler "PurpleRain" would deliver that tiddler via URL - 
>> http:// 1234wxyz . com/#PurpleRain
>>
>
> You may want to use https://www.example.com/  for examples. example.com 
> is designed to be used like this. 
> The above URLs may point to valid domains, if someone registers them. 
>
> Just a thought.
> -m
>

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[tw] Re: An editable tiddler within an (otherwise) ReadOnly Tiddlywiki file

[John Newell]

Hi Jed

no - not worried about DRM.
Though Jeremy might want a say on that  which I would obviously respect.

JN

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 11:13:03 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Yes, that is why I said that anyone who knew a bit of wikitext could get 
> around it. If you are worried about DRM or something like that than it 
> becomes a much harder problem.
>

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[tw] Re: An editable tiddler within an (otherwise) ReadOnly Tiddlywiki file

[John Newell]

Hi Guys ( now a small collective )

Josiah - you GET what I am about : TW already has most of the armory 
required to BE the best ebook ( posing as a pseudo-app ) out there on the 
market.
Whilst there are plenty of other applications - the ebook market is STODGY, 
BORING and UNIMAGINATIVE - yet the conversations and support within this 
framework - is creative and expressive.

WHAT digital manual / book / directory / catalogue that looks GOOD on all 
screens / devices 
has the ability to allow the reader to take notes, order up, see/hear 
explanatory media WITHIN IT?


   1. Jed ( or others ) => can a simple example within a TW file 
   demonstrate *Notetaking* + *Editing* + *Saving* effectively ( it needs 
   to be within a ReadOnly TW file )
   2. It doesn't matter if someone wants to hack it for their own extended 
   purposes or amusement - ( that's just like defacing a book just bought ... 
   ) it doesn't worry me what they do to the file once they have it .
   3. To date I have only "tarted up" the TWs I have distributed - used 
   suitable plugins etc - but with each additional step - the TW's I am 
   working on are taking amazing shape - and offer what JUST DOESN'T EXIST OUT 
   THERE. This may be a considerable deviation from its roots - but as Talky 
   Talky was a step towards a pocket presenter - so, too - with just a couple 
   more tweaks - TW can be the most accessible and useful / responsive 
   on/offline digital print vehicle. ( IMHO )

Would be great to see if we can move this forward.

My intention is to present each of these projects as they are completed.

I am sure you'll be impressed with what TW can do that is quite a new 
angle..


cheers





On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:59:27 PM UTC+11, Josiah wrote:
>
> Ciao John, Jed & Mat
>
> This a very interesting discussion. Conditional editing, if it were easier 
> to get working, IMO, would really help TW step towards becoming a premiere 
> E-book format. And likely to facilitate others types of app too.
>
> One substantive point, Jed made, is the architecture of TW means that a 
> smart programmer could get round the limitations on editing. BUT, when I 
> think into the scenarios a programmer might want to do that I can't really 
> think of a situation they would actually do it so I don't think that 
> would be a big issue for e-books.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Thursday, 20 October 2016 13:36:30 UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> You wouldn't need anything embededd or a connection for what I suggested, 
>> it's just a view template on the tiddlers you want to be able to leave 
>> notes on. I was thinking that you could have a form like the new discussion 
>> post interface on twederation  but 
>> you would probably have a different display template.
>>
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[tw] Re: An editable tiddler within an (otherwise) ReadOnly Tiddlywiki file

[John Newell]

Thanks Jed and Mat.

Your ideas provide more thought perhaps leading BACK to earlier notions 
of embedded options .
which work quite well with the likes of *pen.io* | *evernote* | *padlet* 
etc 
and are totally un-affecting of the integrity of a TW file.

The issue with these options is the reliance on an internet connection.
( for most of my uses of TW as a distributable information package
whether as a book / app / directory / brochure / pseudo-magazine
the reader is MOST OFTEN using their mobile device ( hence - ONLINE )

so, embeds are fine for connected readers

That said - a "neater", more conducive option 
that CAN be used on any screen  ( on or offline )
would be a native tiddler dedicated to allow the reader to take notes, save 
and later edit them.

any further ideas eagerly sought 

cheers
JN.






On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:25:05 PM UTC+11, John Newell wrote:
>
> Is this possible?
>
> A single ( or multiple ) tiddlers that can be used by the reader to take 
> notes .
> in a tiddlywiki file that has had ReadOnly applied to it ?
>
> No sidebar - just a unique tiddler* that has the edit and save ability 
> active in a normal tiddywiki.
>
> ( * or multiple tiddlers )
>
> with thanks
> John
>
>

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[tw] An editable tiddler within an (otherwise) ReadOnly Tiddlywiki file

[John Newell]

Is this possible?

A single ( or multiple ) tiddlers that can be used by the reader to take 
notes .
in a tiddlywiki file that has had ReadOnly applied to it ?

No sidebar - just a unique tiddler* that has the edit and save ability 
active in a normal tiddywiki.

( * or multiple tiddlers )

with thanks
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

[John Newell]

Excited about checking out the new release
I am quite a fan of QR codes - 
they have the ability to be read "on the fly" = off shop windows, building 
entrances, exhibition stands, billboard signage - from close up to quite 
some distance.
they also have the capacity to be great for virtual business card delivery, 
web addresses, delivery of documentation ( eg link to a hosted PDF ) - and 
instant "on-mobile" opening of prepared email sends, etc etc

The HUGE advantage for a hosted TW file delivering a tiddler QR code is the 
time saving in having all these options prepared IN A TIDDLER, then quickly 
converted to a QRCode.( a simple "create" tiddler - then QR code  - then 
distribute.


There is one desirable I would prompt - for times when the TW is hosted : 
Assuming a complete TW.html file is hosted at : 1234wxyz.com.
Creating a tiddler "PurpleRain" would deliver that tiddler via URL - 
http://1234wxyz.com/#PurpleRain
IF the QR code could create THAT ADDRESS - THAT is very convenient for 
online / hosted tiddlers that deliver :

   - embedded video or audio
   - embedded social media accounts
   - a customer to the URL for your website, order page or social media 
   accounts
   - a text message - of thanks / directions / important information
   - a discount coupon / and invitation etc 
   - an embedded Google Map wrapped within your business info on-page
   - your price list
   - additional product / service informatiom
   - a pocket offline edition of your website ( full TW file )
   - "share' links to social media accounts to encourage co-propomotion ( 
   especially as they are holding a phone / camera / comm-device!
   

So, my question at the end of this is - can the links to an online delivery 
of both a complete TW file 
or an exported TW page ( tiddler ) be produced?

cheers
John



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 12:01:16 AM UTC+11, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> There’s been a rash of updates to v5.1.14 in the last 10 days, making it a 
> good time to have a look at the prerelease at 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> I’d like to highlight the new QR code generator plugin (installed in the 
> prerelease so that you can try it out easily). I had little idea about QR 
> codes before the recent correspondence here on the mailing list, but am now 
> a convert. If you don’t have a QR code reader on your smartphone I’d highly 
> recommend installing one to play with the prerelease.
>
> Basically, QR codes can be used to transfer any block of text that isn’t 
> too long/complicated to fit. There are conventions for passing URLs, 
> contact information, wifi details etc., but there is complete freedom; one 
> can make a QR code of JSON if you want (actually a bad idea as the special 
> characters appear to compress badly).
>
> The QR code plugin adds a generic macro for generating a QR code from a 
> string, and also adds a couple of pre-built ways to use it:
>
> * A new view toolbar button that displays the current tiddler as a QR 
> code. You can choose from the URL of the tiddler, the raw text, or the 
> rendered text
> * Example forms for generating QR codes for contacts, wifi and generic 
> codes
>
> Once I’d found the library, getting the plugin up and running was 
> surprisingly easy — I had the first operational version within 30 minutes 
> of starting work. A good illustration of the excellent returns on the 
> effort involved in integrating existing JavaScript components.
>
> There’s a full list of changes in the release note, but I’d highlight the 
> following bigger changes:
>
> * Extended search mechanism to require the search string to be a minimum 
> length
> * New Hebrew translation, and preliminary support for RTL languages
> * Improved access to plugin information:
> ** New “Plugins” tab in the “More” sidebar tab, listing all installed 
> plugins
> ** Better display of plugin tiddlers themselves, duplicating the gadget 
> used in control panel
> * Fixed height of preview pane to use a scrollbar when fixed height layout 
> is selected
> * Improved modals and notifications so that global macros are available
> * Extended the SetWidget to allow a single result to be selected from a 
> filtered result list
> * Added new $:/info/url/* information tiddlers providing document 
> location information
> * Added several new filter operators for string encoding/decoding strings 
> according to HTML encoding, URI encoding, regexp escaping and JavaScript 
> string encoding
> * Improved support for bulk loading tiddler files via tiddlywiki.files 
> Files within TiddlyWikiFolders
>
> I’d like to get v5.1.14 released in the next couple of weeks, so any 
> feedback/thoughts/questions are much appreciated at this point.
>
> As ever, thanks to everyone listed in the release note for their 
> contributions to this release.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Embedding the (standard) Search Bar & Results into a tiddler.

[John Newell]

BJ !!

Awesome

Exactly what I needed in functionality 
I'll see if I can "tart it up" a little.
Will send you a copy of the first version I deploy

thanks - much appreciated    JN


On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 11:59:21 PM UTC+11, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi john, 
> it part of the tiddler $:/core/ui/SideBarLists:
>
> <$set name="searchTiddler" value="$:/temp/search">
> 
> <$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/search" type="search" tag="input" 
> focus={{$:/config/Search/AutoFocus}} focusPopup=< "$:/state/popup/search-dropdown">> class="tc-popup-handle"/>
> <$reveal state="$:/temp/search" type="nomatch" text="">
>
> <$button popup=<> 
> class="tc-btn-invisible">
> <$set name="resultCount" value="""<$count 
> filter="[!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}]"/>""">
> {{$:/core/images/down-arrow}} {{$:/language/Search/Matches}}
> 
> 
> 
> <$reveal state="$:/temp/search" type="match" text="">
> <$button to="$:/AdvancedSearch" 
> tooltip={{$:/language/Buttons/AdvancedSearch/Hint}} 
> aria-label={{$:/language/Buttons/AdvancedSearch/Caption}} 
> class="tc-btn-invisible">
> {{$:/core/images/advanced-search-button}}
> 
> 
> 
>
> <$reveal tag="div" class="tc-block-dropdown-wrapper" 
> state="$:/temp/search" type="nomatch" text="">
>
> <$reveal tag="div" class="tc-block-dropdown tc-search-drop-down 
> tc-popup-handle" state=<> 
> type="nomatch" text="" default="">
>
> {{$:/core/ui/SearchResults}}
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> all the best
>
> BJ
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 8:25:06 AM UTC+1, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>> Could someone please provide the code that will embed the Search Bar ( 
>> box ) into a tiddler :
>> where the results are live links to the resultant tiddlers?
>>
>> This is for tw-ebooks / apps and as such will be user/reader access only 
>> ( That is - "read only" )
>> hence why the search box 
>>and the tiddler links
>> need to be in the tiddler 
>>
>>( as there's no sidebar ) visible to readers.
>>
>> with thanks in advance
>>
>> John
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Book formatting in TW

[John Newell]

Hi Mat

Having covered similar needs for ebooks I have been working on - here are a 
few options :

This is probably best prefaced by the format in which I am using ALL 
tiddlywiki ebook / app versions
and that is that* each page is continuous as it would be in any book *
EXCEPT 
in tiddlywiki the native format is for the content to continue *DOWN the 
page* - rather than *OVER the page*

So, all my pages are smoothly transitioned down the page.

Therefore - each chapter is a distinct tiddler - 
and there are not distinctions between pages.

IF A BREAK between PARTS in a chapter are required 
that is easily done by adding  one or more times to enhance the 
distance ( as suggested by Tobias )

*OR*

Just add a line horizontal line - eg :



---



OR create a more pronounced full width break: with colour :

eg






Links between chapters can be done in multiple ways:

How would you liek to see it - and I'll see if I can help .




On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:46:04 PM UTC+11, Mat wrote:
>
> Hm, I doubt line break  will suffice practically.
>
> I think what is needed is *form feed* which, I just found out, is created 
> with CSS *page-break-... (-before/-inside/-after)*
>
> This appears (to me) to be the simplest way:
>
> here you could insert page no, or 
> leave blank
>
> If one wanted one tiddler per sheet, I think it should be possible to 
> style the tiddler template (ie. via the stylesheet) to apply  page-break-
> after: always; 
> ...or see this to 
> have it form break before e.g h1 headlines.
>
> See also:
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3091524/what-are-carriage-return-linefeed-and-form-feed
>
> http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_print_pagebb.asp
>
> http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_regexp_formfeed.asp - This might be 
> useful for a widget
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Embedding the (standard) Search Bar & Results into a tiddler.

[John Newell]

Hi.
Could someone please provide the code that will embed the Search Bar ( box 
) into a tiddler :
where the results are live links to the resultant tiddlers?

This is for tw-ebooks / apps and as such will be user/reader access only 
( That is - "read only" )
hence why the search box needs to be in the tiddler ( as there's no visible 
siderbar

with thanks in advance

John

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

[John Newell]

Hi Riz-

All are valued comments.
And you are right - the basics are achieved in what I have mapped out - and 
you have addressed.

Tags ARE used in a few ways - check out the Spiritual Quest ebook which 
provides an insight into much of what will be used elsewhere -
ReadOnly, different use of tags, navigation ( upgrading to the use of 
FontAwesome, embedded fonts, audio, video, padlet etc)

No, there is no need for "ebook" tags - examples of tags *that work the 
same as categories and tags within wordpress* : ( for the Directory site(s) 
:

   - LOCATIONS : Suburb / township / postcodes
   - PRODUCTS / SERVICES :  Food Service and supply, Accommodation, 
   Entertainment, Sports, Retail, Relaxation, Trades etc
   - ALSO tagged " Eat | Drink | Stay | Play | Buy | Enjoy | Repair | etc
   - PREMISES : Winery, Brewery, Retailer, Hotel, Nightclub, Cafe, Spa, 
   Sports Club, Social Club, NFP etc
   



On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 4:44:31 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> Hmmm, there were no direct questions in that comment. So I will try and 
> reply to my own assumptions on reading your last comment. 
>
> Sidebar Contents / Options are NOT used in any of my projects
>>
>
> I remember your last Ebook project had Sidebar hidden. Well, since you 
> already achieved that , I assume you do not need my inputs on how to hide 
> sidebar permanently for such a project.
>
> Still for the sake of any noobs after me, here are two different ways this 
> can be achieved.
>
> 1) *Create a new stylesheet tiddler with the following CSS code*
> .tc-sidebar-scrollable {display:none}
>
> 2) *Hide the Sidebar as you would do normally. Then via advanced search, 
> find the tiddler "$:/core/ui/TopBar/menu" and remove the tag 
> "$:/tags/TopRightBar" from it.*
> This will basically hide access to button that will reveal/hide Sidebar.
>
> Note: Second method is more flexible. If you are using that, you can have 
> secret buttons somewhere user cannot access which will reveal the Sidebar.
>
>
>
>
> NoTimeStamp will usually be deployed - ie no date seen 
>>
>
> Where? The timestamps in the subtitles can easily be hidden. As for the 
> title of New Journal appearing with Timestamp by default, you can change 
> that. In the test wiki I sent you, find the tiddler named NewJournal - 
> which is a minimal clone of the default New Journal button - and within it 
> change the title=<> value to anything you please to have a placeholder 
> text, say title="Enter your title here"
>
>
> Tags ARE visible in other chapters & understood for their use ( see SQuest 
>> ebook as example )
>>
>
> So I guess you do not want your chapters to have a tag called "EBook"? 
>
> Ok, so this is an issue. In a scenario like this, where tags are part of 
> interface, we cannot have a common tag based on which we can hide the 
> controls. A manual solution to this - ughh- is to specify each Chapter tag 
> specifically in stylesheet and hide the controls. But that is not at all a 
> solution.
>
> There is a theoretical solution to this, which is to apply styles based on 
> fields. If I understand it correctly, tags appear as class and fields 
> appear as attributes of the  element in the TW html file. Based on 
> this, I tried the attribute selector function. Let us say, tiddler named 
> "Chapter 1" has a field called "fruit" with value "mango". 
> So If I use the syntax on the attribute selector 
>
> [fruit="mango"] { 
> font-size:3em; 
> }
> or 
>
> div[fruit="mango"] { 
> font-size:3em; 
> }
>
>
>
> It ought to work. It doesn't. I hope someone with a clearer understanding 
> of CSS or TW5 will come around and enlighten. 
>
>
> If you want to see Adding notes and bookmarking function in a little more 
> fancier environment, try *https://ibnishak.github.io/hQp/ * 
> *. *Pick a chapter, then an author, 
> under the translation, there will be a hamburger menu which will enable the 
> user to add notes, bookmark that part, jump to the other parts of the 
> chapter from there and see the notes added regarding that specific part. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

[John Newell]

Hi "magev958"  - I have seen that amazing reformat of TW. It has provided 
me inspiration. Thanks. It doesn't suit my current formats as it provides 
access to the "backend" which I do NOT want - as the integrity of the app / 
ebook  / site that it presents to users needs to have interaction but not 
reformatting . would like to keep lines of communications open with you 
as there ARE many elements I would like to ask you about. You and almost 
everyone in this forum has far greater skills than I possess. I just have a 
market and ideas that fufill their needs and TW can do so much..


On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 6:24:38 PM UTC+11, magev958 wrote:
>
> If you want to see Adding notes and bookmarking function in a little more 
>> fancier environment, try *https://ibnishak.github.io/hQp/ * 
>> *. *Pick a chapter, then an author, 
>> under the translation, there will be a hamburger menu which will enable the 
>> user to add notes, bookmark that part, jump to the other parts of the 
>> chapter from there and see the notes added regarding that specific part. 
>>
>
> That was a beautiful example of what can be done with TW5
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

[John Newell]

Hey Riz

got it 
thanks
that works - though there are some bits that would need attention:

BELOW I've copied from the notes I made ON that tiddler/ journal entry - 
done live in the tiddler.

I hope the HTML file comes thru - 

here's the notes :

*JN NOTES *



*Sidebar Contents / Options are NOT used in any of my projects - so 
disregard it's visibility or access for users/readers - alternative methods 
are used ...*
*Tags ARE visible in other chapters & understood for their use ( see SQuest 
ebook as example )*

*NoTimeStamp will usually be deployed - ie no date seen *



*User CAN suitably name (title) + save their journal / notes tiddlerEntry 
of their notes should be intuitive and not need guidance.( though a tiddler 
could provided *

*"advanced" guidance for optimising eg - links etc - internal and external* 
*User 
SHOULD tag their tiddler for later search as that is the only way in which 
they can find what they've written - - unless a pre-created linked tiddler 
lists tags for "Notes" "Journal" and "Comments" *

*THAT WOULD NEED EXPLANATION in creating and searching tags *

*It would be preferable to NOT display FIELD boxes of Type, Name and Value* 


again thanks Riz
we should talk soon, !


On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 2:03:20 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
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> Try this link
> http://testwikitech.tiddlyspot.com/
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Federatial.com's new TiddlyWiki-generated website

[John Newell]

Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Not only does it look great. It renders quickly 
as expressed. In my directory site project THIS "Federatial" format 
provides a clean, vibrant option for exporting existing content as a 
"chaptered" 1 page website ( contrasting the single page export available 
from the "standard" TW 1 tiddler export. Just love it (and the timing) 
thank you.JN

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 12:22:10 AM UTC+11, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’ve just launched the new website for Federatial, the little company I 
> founded for consultancy work. It’s a static HTML file that was generated by 
> TiddlyWiki. It works perfectly without JavaScript, but if it is enabled 
> adds scroll effects from a new plugin I’ve created called ScrollFlyer.
>
> https://federatial.com/
>
> The scroll effect is intended to provide a summary of the overall page 
> when you first arrive, that then melts into the conventional page layout as 
> you scroll.
>
> The full wiki is available at:
>
> https://federatial.com/wiki.html
>
> Try changing the content, open the “Tools” tab in the sidebar, click 
> “export all” and then choose “Single Page Website” to generate the static 
> HTML site.
>
> The source code is available on GitHub:
>
> https://github.com/Federatial/website
>
> The bits and pieces on GitHub are available for reuse, but I do plan to 
> make things more re-usable, packaging everything up as part of a new static 
> site generation plugin.
>
> Any questions, please ask.
>
> Best wishes
>
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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

[John Newell]

Hi Riz - sorry - up in the State Forests and internet is VERY hard to 
get.. I did try to open but can only see in html text
No rendering - perhaps it's not supposed to be a complete TW self-contained 
file - looks like its only 400KB or do. That'd only be a page.
Can we connect by email? j...@social.as  cheers and thanks for your 
help / patience ...


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> Did you check the TW I posted here 
> ? 
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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

[John Newell]

*Hi Riz, ( and Josiah )*
As this series of tw ebooks/ apps are ALL created *without *user saving 
options
I would only need a save button on the Journal / Notes tiddler - which you 
(Riz) suggested. 
An elegant and simple way to have a dynamic page where the user can add 
their notes, journal entries etc 

With all Page Toolbar Buttons removed in the ReadOnly conversion process - 
I would need to independently ADD an EDIT and SAVE button  just to that one 
tiddler - 
which is what I am asking if anyone knows how to do this.

Josiah - you may be right - perhaps "nobody will bother"
but I have greater faith and determination in getting tiddlywiki out there 
to a wider, appreciative market.
I hope I find support within 
My clear preference is to have a *native tiddlywiki solution* to this
but if that isn't possible here -  I will look to engage someone to assist 
in this 
and there are other "embedded" options that work well as an alternative to 
this specific inclusion
such as ( https://goo.gl/XDfKu9 ) - 
clean and robust within a tiddler.

I currently am embedding a raft of external resources anyway - including
soundcloud, youtube, padlet, twitter, facebook, evernote, linkedin, etc
( particularly deep and rich in the Directory edition I am working on )

cheers
John

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 4:54:54 AM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wouldn't I need a save button?
>
> Not necessarily, since as and when the user saves his journal, the TW 
> autosaves. Plus, what harm is there is retaining the save button as long as 
> user does not have the ability to meddle with main content?
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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

[John Newell]

I think I am near what you suggest 
C/- tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/  
tiddler - "Creating a simple Contacts DB"
just not quite sure how to set up as you advise ..

JN


On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:22:15 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
> Oh, no. I think I did not make myself clear. In order to give the reader 
> ability to add content while restricting them from editing the main content 
> - isn't it easier to just hide the title bar of the ebook content? Even 
> better, create a view template with just new tiddler or new journal button 
> while hiding the rest. This has the advantage of keeping the TW self 
> contained, rather than being dependant on an external site and expecting 
> the reader to be online? 
>
> Of course this will not prevent someone with know how of tiddlywiki from 
> hunting down that one shadow tiddler and reversing the effect, but hardly 
> anything will stop them. 
>
> Is there an obvious point I am missing here?
>
> On 04-Oct-2016 8:24 AM, "John Newell" <magil...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Riz 
> >
> > If you are referring directly to the 'sample' page titled 'Journal - 
> Notes' :
> > As a page/chapter within a TWeBook, I would appropriately title it so it 
> is visible (the reader would expect to have that identification of what 
> page/chapter they are at (and)
> >
> > I remove the time-stamp beneath the title
> > (and)
> >
> > Set the iframe height and width at 100% 
> >
> > Cheers John
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

[John Newell]

Hi Riz

I believe I get it - but in order to ensure that I do 
Assuming the rest of the ebook is fine ...

In a ReadOnly situation - CAN I add a "New Journal" button :
- that opens a new tiddler 
- that the (each) user can use and save - for themselves?

Wouldn't I need a save button?

If this is easy to create - could you create an otherwise blank TW and show 
that to me ?

with thanks
John


On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:22:15 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
> Oh, no. I think I did not make myself clear. In order to give the reader 
> ability to add content while restricting them from editing the main content 
> - isn't it easier to just hide the title bar of the ebook content? Even 
> better, create a view template with just new tiddler or new journal button 
> while hiding the rest. This has the advantage of keeping the TW self 
> contained, rather than being dependant on an external site and expecting 
> the reader to be online? 
>
> Of course this will not prevent someone with know how of tiddlywiki from 
> hunting down that one shadow tiddler and reversing the effect, but hardly 
> anything will stop them. 
>
> Is there an obvious point I am missing here?
>
> On 04-Oct-2016 8:24 AM, "John Newell" <magil...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Riz 
> >
> > If you are referring directly to the 'sample' page titled 'Journal - 
> Notes' :
> > As a page/chapter within a TWeBook, I would appropriately title it so it 
> is visible (the reader would expect to have that identification of what 
> page/chapter they are at (and)
> >
> > I remove the time-stamp beneath the title
> > (and)
> >
> > Set the iframe height and width at 100% 
> >
> > Cheers John
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

[John Newell]

Hi Riz

If you are referring directly to the 'sample' page titled 'Journal - Notes'
:
As a page/chapter within a TWeBook, I would appropriately title it so it is
visible (the reader would expect to have that identification of what
page/chapter they are at (and)

I remove the time-stamp beneath the title
(and)

Set the iframe height and width at 100%

Cheers John

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> As someone interested in your TW5's application as an ebook reader, tell
> me this. Wouldn't it be rather easier to hide the titlebar of the main
> content?
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[tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

[John Newell]

One of the objectives for several tw ebooks/apps is to have the user ADD 
their own content even when the TW is d"disarmed" from editing access.

This would immensely handy for users / readers / viewers in maintaining 
notes to "self", journal entries, ToDo lists even a basic "bookmarking" 
note...

If anyone has elegant solutions to these key elements - I would be grateful 
for any input.

At present - I have attached my simple version - just a one page export ( 
rather than a near-complete book ) 
It comes without my input for directions - other that notice that I simply 
embedded and iframe of this other valuable free tool.

Each user can use the same page with embed - create their own username and 
password without any further enhancement or coding
Only downside is IF this site is taken down...
in which case - does anyone now how to create and host similar?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrrxsmmdmverx43/Journal-Notes.html?dl=0

cheers   John

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?

[John Newell]

Hi. I admit to being a bit of a newby myself  I am a unashamed fan of 
what has been accomplished by the creators of TW.
I do use my mobile a LOT as I am not deskbound and it is my on-the-fly 
comms device, office repository, reference shelf, invoice book and 
transaction device.
Sure there are other options that provide slick mobile interface delivery 
that make TW5 on TWedit look sloppy ( sorry guys ) however the ABILITIES of 
TW5
are almost limitless for the operability it can provide - by allowing it to 
do almost whatever you want it to do ( with some constraints and 
annoyances. admittedly )

With TW, I lose nothing. I find required content near-immediately. It 
presents crazy diverse magic almost every day for me... 


*because it is endlessly useful to those who make it so.*Case in hand. A 
client who has engaged me to create an digital book of the "Warburton 
Trail" - an iconic bike / horse / walking track that winds its way for 
about 40km along the old rail track journey east of Melbourne, past 
vineyards, old pubs, bike-cafes, streams and rivers, orchards, small 
townships and more. His photography portrays not only the map of how to get 
the best out of a variety of ways to take this journey - but provides 
imagery of what you will see ( inbound or outbound ) so you get the most 
out of it. 

A book would struggle with that. What? Read it backwards for the return 
journey? No - merely reframe the navigation order and abilities of the 
tiddlers.
Add a live map. ( TW can feed imagery, video, embeds of all types easily 
and allow for online magic )
Allow for live delivery of invitations of the cyclists, riders and walkers 
to join the varying produce, events, ciders, craft beers etc along the way 
on a very timely basis and very accessible.

The idea of PRESENTING this to the client was done at the first appointment 
with thanks to TWedit on my ipad and iphone - both able to quickly 
demonstrate what CAN BE DONE... gig secured with an elated client.

The point is find what you want it to do within its opportunities and 
limitations. 
I marvel at what TW has yet to be used for ..

My suggestion is to practice use of TWedit - -it works - and i am sure not 
just for me. desktop is easier but annoying to carry around
make the adjustments - you may find it worth it.

cheers
John



On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 6:22:08 AM UTC+10, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
> Hola Danielo -
>
> As a newbie I am liable to write something that makes others roll their 
> eyes or think "we all know that". Despite that...
>
> TWEdit is for mobile - right? I find it nearly useless
>
> TiddlyNotes - better except it doesn't work either
>
> As Noted - based upon TW engine, better user interface, and tiddlers are 
> broken out into a ton of little files
>
> I am interested in an a similar application, personally.
>
> JWHoneycutt
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 12:51:47 PM UTC-4, Danielo Rodríguez 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> This is both a reflection, a touch of attention and a desperate call to 
>> all the users that feels like me, if there is any.
>>
>> Three years ago when I first discovered tiddlywiki I found both, 
>> TWClassing and TW5. I decided to go for TW5 because it looked much better 
>> on my mobile, and that gave me a feeling of future-proof software. As 
>> opposed to TWClassic, which remind me to the first mobile web experiences: 
>> an unreadable bird view of a page that required to zoom and scroll all the 
>> time. So, as I said, despite it's lacks and faults I go for tw 5.0.5
>>
>> After three years things haven't evolved for mobile users, or at least 
>> not in the good way. The only community that grows is that one that doesn't 
>> care about mobile, which is presumably the same that didn't care about it 
>> on TWClassic before, but now on TW5. The only issues that are discussed and 
>> the new features that are implemented doesn't care about mobile, it doesn't 
>> matter, it is just take for granted, what we have is good enough. 
>>
>> I read this forum mostly from mobile, and when someone makes an 
>> announcement, or posts a link to any new good stuff my first impression is 
>> the one that I have from my phone. If I'm unable to use it comfortably on 
>> mobile I usually close that tab and forget about it.
>>
>> In a world that is moving to "mobile first, forget about desktop focus on 
>> mobile, mobile rules!" experiences, tiddlywiki community is moving on the 
>> opposite direction. Twitter, Facebook and Github are examples of how doing 
>> things well: If I add their page to my home screen I can't distinguish it 
>> from a native app.
>>
>> Just to mention some examples, Jed Carty 
>>  has a wiki that seems to hate mobile 
>> screens, Mat's magic  
>> seems to be restricted to desktop browsers, Cardo  
>> requires so much horizontal scroll that I forget about what was at the left 

[tw] Re: Earlier versions of TW5 - where can I find them to download?

[John Newell]

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 2:46:11 PM UTC+10, John Newell wrote:
>
> Is there a repository of recent iterations of TW5?
> Some of the earlier formatting are better suited to a couple of my 
> projects.
> with thanks
> John
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[tw] Earlier versions of TW5 - where can I find them to download?

[John Newell]

Is there a repository of recent iterations of TW5?
Some of the earlier formatting are better suited to a couple of my projects.
with thanks
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[tw] Re: [TW5] My new poject on Tiddlywiki and my new questions...

[John Newell]

Hoping this suggestion works - but I just opened the code source and 
applied a translator - in browser - and it all started looking like 
Ruston-text.



On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 6:02:28 AM UTC+10, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi sini-Kit,
>
> Some really sophisticated work you did there. Thinking of Danielo's recent 
> post wishing for a more mobile friendly, responsive design, at least for 
> purely presentational purposes, your site scales rather well.
>
> Quite unfortunate that the inner workings / workflows of yours remain more 
> or less undisclosed, at least to those w/ limited Russian language skills, 
> it appears.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
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[tw] Re: What coding can make TW render a "local" {{imagefile}} substitute image when OFFLINE one won't deliver?

[John Newell]

Hi Tobias / Mario 

I may not have communicated this objective clearly - for which I apologise 
- but the solution provided by Mario works perfectly.

The issue is not whether TW needs to detect online connection - as the 
TWebook will have on probably its FIRST SCREEN the option of online / 
offline delivery
THAT STATUS will be known by the user - 
as the target for these TWebooks is for USE on mobile devices. 
The user will know whether they are online or offline - 
and even if they aren't sure - the lack of imagery ( or the note that does 
appear where an image should be when offline )  
will prompt them to click "the OFFLINE button" )

THIS series of regional tourism directories IS targetted at People on the 
move: 
tourists, locals, vacationers, etc - roaming between venues and events over 
a week or just a weekend - MOBILE in-hand.

If someone wants to look at yarravalley.directory content on a laptop, 
desktop or bigscreen - 
they can do so by simply opening *www.yarravalley.website* 
 as the full website. 
The content there is essentially the same - though the website has these 
important differences :

   - it satisfies those who prefer to view on a bigger screen 
   - it allows for easier use of several interactive components better used 
   where mouse and keyboard are avaiable / preferred
   - *importantly *- creates Search engine listings results, links, traffic 
   and other benefits - such as new customers / users of the TWebook


This has brought up a realisation for me
*TW  - in the way I will deliver THIS project  - is far more like an APP 
than an ebook.*

In the same way an APP works - TW - as a READ ONLY version has these 
similarities in the "*YarraValley.directory"* *TWebook:*

   - The "package" is downloaded FULLY by the user.
   - Most of what is needed to deliver the content is now native to the 
   user's device ( IN their iphone / ipad or equivalents )
   - External content can be utilised

*TWebook - as an APP - has these benefits OVER a website ;*

   - The current number of mobile users EXCEEDS the number of desktop users.
   - Mobile APPS work faster that mobile websites as the native content 
   delivers faster and more reliably
   - Brand Presence is enhanced within a "closed environment" (app) which 
   obviates the need for other search options.
   - Unlike a website than can suffer (in search) from bad "bounce rates" - 
   embedded, pulled and referred links can boost the website's search 
   collateral.
   - There is a higher likelihood of social sharing as a result of "App 
   Connectedness"
   - ( in this "collective case" - cost of advertiser access is low 
   compared to beuild own website or app )
   - Leaner, cleaner, faster to produce. 
   - App-opening frequency exceeds most website performances
   - App ownership - where it REPLACES the option of a website visitation - 
   INCREASES user access frequency and time on site.
   - and . of course . works online or offline !

*TWebook - as an APP - has these benefits OVER an APP BUILDER ;*

   - Product Cost - free
   - Cheap to host
   - Easy to distribute
   - Support & innovation ( certainly in my experience ) - I feel part of 
   something growing and emerging...
   - Online reliance and frustrations in building an app. ( TW : build 
   offline )


In other cases that I am working on for clients - the use of TW5 is more 
like that of an* eBook* - BUT - with far *more element*s that make it more 
*attractive 
*and *dynamic*.
These would include a "*children's book*", a "*Wedding Brochure*" - a 
Retailer's *catalogue* - a Winery's "*Annual Report*" and "*Vintage Reports*" 
( a collective using content such as this : 
http://helenshill.com.au/2013-vintage-report/ ) and "*Wine Range Brochures*"

In respect of the ebooks that *are* novels .. they *are *just a variant 
to EPUBs and PDFs etc

Keen to hear :

   - comments
   - what the TW community can suggest as app-like options for inclusion in 
   my projects
   - any small groups wanting to explore these adventures together


John


On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 6:12:26 AM UTC+10, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Mario / John,
>
> Unfortunately, I don't know a possibility to auto-detect online offline 
>> mode. So the user needs to set it.
>>
>
> tobibeer/sysinfo  provides 
> some means to detect the kind of environment you're in, i.e. offline 
> (local) vs. online (http).
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: What coding can make TW render a "local" {{imagefile}} substitute image when OFFLINE one won't deliver?

[John Newell]

Hi Jeremy

Mario ( see recent Comms ) gave me the solution, which aligns with your point : 
a SWITCH / CHOICE via button selection for online or offline status - which the 
reader would know anyway and simply select to update

Excellent.

Will post you a copy link to download when ready. If this comes off as planned 
- this is going to be "significant" in putting it into the hands of end users 
in a very different way. 

First milestone is 10,000 copies downloaded, with 60,000 challenged in first 12 
months. Should be achievable as it is FREE into user ( tourist and local 's 
hands )

Should confirm billboard access at the most visible entry point to the Yarra 
Valley in next 10 days (pivotal) - driver download via QR / shortURL as they 
enter the region!!! Plus into 15,000 monthly magazine fully page adverts c/- 
the Realtor who is co-promoting.

I am also open to all TW GGroup participation with ideas and concepts that can 
find their way into mainstream. 

Cheers 
John 

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[tw] Re: What coding can make TW render a "local" {{imagefile}} substitute image when OFFLINE one won't deliver?

[John Newell]

Mario - you are a genius ( at least from where I sit ) in a monster storm 
without power and happy as  Seeing my problem now being a positive 
solution!!! Kudos and thanks - it works a treat !!! I will just "tart up" the 
button icons. and place them appropriately - and I am one BIG STEP closer to 
taking this LIVE!!

No storm is going to stop my thanks - as long as the Internet tower stays up.

Count on me sending you one of the first copies when ready.

You will see :
!! Your solution in action - onscreen, appropriate deliverables when offline 

!! LIVE CHANGES to client offerings - on their pages - that they add themselves 
-as often as they like ( c/- padlet.com embeds )

!! JOURNAL / key points / notes able to be added in book for readers

!! In-book purchase of tickets, gift certificates Etc

!! Local event notifications of music festivals, sports, international cycling 
tours, degustation events, Grape Grazing, shedFests and even live submissions 
of GarageSales..

!! TIDDLYWIKI GETTING USED BY MORE PEOPLE FOR ACTIVE PARTICIPATION AND ENJOYMENT

Thanks again ! Cheers John

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[tw] What coding can make TW render a "local" {{imagefile}} substitute image when OFFLINE one won't deliver?

[John Newell]

*Apologies as I am clumsy around the terms to appropriately use among the 
more knowledgeable*

Scenario:

   - I have created a TW ebook  
   - the TW ebook is downloaded and opened by the reader ( assume on mobile 
  device / ipad or equiv )
  - there is no editing at reader's end as it is "READ-ONLY"
  - the TW ebook presents images via s3.amazonaws... *which is OK when 
  they are connected online*...
  
  - Is the code ( or another avenue ) that can 
   - recognise when READER is offline ( ie image presentation cannot be 
  fulfilled ) 
  - and DELIVER a local, identified alternative image tiddler - eg via 
  {{image-5}} or another way
   
Background ( as several of you are aware of this project ) and many are not 


   - This project is creation and delivery of a DIRECTORY website and 
   mirrored eBOOK ( TW ebook ) 
   - The ebook:
  - contains all the relevant content that exists on the Website
  - can be downloaded and "kept" locally on the user's device ( 
  targeted at iphone / ipads and their equivalents )
  - delivers images and other dynamic content via external feeds off 
  the internet
 - updates, live content, responsive maps, interactive content etc
  
What I want to deliver within the TW ebook is a suitable alternative when 
the the reader is NOT connected to the internet ( which will happen in 
certain pockets where they will be referring to the book - like up to 20% 
of all wineries signed up.


Is there a plugin or code that can substitute a failed image delivery ( or 
similar ) with a local TW image 

My first thought is delivering smaller / lower res images that are saved as 
tiddlers and can be delivered via {{tiddler-image-name}} usage.


any and all help appreciated !


cheers

John


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[tw] Re: TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

Hi PMario

Thanks for your suggestion

   - I copied a TW ( latest iteration ) 

I created 3 new tiddlers ( 1, 2 and 3 )

   - adjusted : clicked  "YES" in the shadow tiddler$:/
   core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/NavigationHistory
   - which auto updated the System tiddler ( below - to "yes" )
   

   - $:/config/Navigation/UpdateHistory 


   - I saved the TW file
   - I then re-opened the TW file and opened tiddler "2" expecting that 
   this "open" tiddler event would be recorded as the most recently opened and 
   serve it up next time I opened the TW file
   - I then closed the tw file
   - I refreshed /  opened it - hoping it would open at the the last 
   tiddler seen
   - sadly - it didn't  - what am I doing wrong ?

If this did open at the last opened Tiddler - then it is a great way to 
bookmark and open at last page read...


cheers


John



On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:05:24 AM UTC+10, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 2:22:05 PM UTC+2, John Newell wrote:
>>
>>
>> As the ebook is Read Only - I cannot figure out how to ACTIVATE a 
>> placemarker as you suggest - if you have any ideas  please forward them.
>> I am happy to create an independent copy of the SQuest formatting etc as 
>> you ask and hope to publish that to the TW fraternity in a couple of weeks. 
>> cheers John
>>
>
> TW has 2 settings in the ControlPanel: Settings: "Navigation Address Bar"  
> and   "Navigation History"
>
> see: short link 
> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel:%24%3A%2FControlPanel%20%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FSettings%2FNavigationHistory%20%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FSettings%2FNavigationAddressBar>
>  
> without using URL shorteners. Long link is here [1] :)
>
> Those settings take care, how TW updates the URL. You can play with it, to 
> see, how it works. You may be able to create a "Settings" page for your 
> advanced users :)
>
> have fun!
> mario
> [1] 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel:%24%3A%2FControlPanel%20%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FSettings%2FNavigationHistory%20%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FControlPanel%2FSettings%2FNavigationAddressBar
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Re: [tw] TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

Thanks for your kind words
It is good to hear from a TW fan that its values lie beyond just being a
"cool wiki"

We have seen the presentation versions like TalkyTalky and other confined
uses, but I am a massive advocate for its future as an eBook platform as on
of its most impressive derivations.

There are several new projects in process  right now, that will be ready
for release from October onwards. The direct enquiries for a HowTo book
have been quite amazing - so I am preparing that now and hope to have ready
in the coming week.

I'll let you - and all others who have emailed me - know when and where to
get that TWEbook.


All the best
John Newell
j...@sicial.as


On Friday, 16 September 2016, Josiah <proge...@assays.tv> wrote:

> Ciao John
>
> I followed with interest what you have been doing with TW5 for e-pubs.
>
> I think its a very valuable example. Not least because when you publish an
> e-book you have to work everything through. Its, rightly, not seen as
> software. Its a "book". It needs to be very reliable & have an appropriate
> format/structure for whatever its about. And its obvious you have spent a
> lot of time thinking about what e-pubs are at the moment, and what they
> could be. I agree that TW is an excellent foundation for e-publishing.
>
> As you mention, book-marking, is an issue. (Also whether folk can make
> annotations?) I am sure there are ways to limited editing facilities
> without upsetting core content, though I don't know enough to say HOW to do
> that.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 15 September 2016 14:22:05 UTC+2, John Newell wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 3:24:27 AM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, this is a cool thing. To see use case scenarios is actually rare in
>>> this  group. I can see that it a child of love and labor.
>>>
>>> Can you please, atleast in this group, post a link to the tiddlywiki
>>> that is not in the read only format? To ask you if there is a documentation
>>> of the process of creating such a book seems bit too much. But may be you
>>> can post some stylesheets, relevant code blocks etc.
>>>
>>> As for suggestions, here are two
>>> 1. May be an option to adopt a dark theme. It is a feature of all major
>>> EPUB readers and TW shouldn't fall behind. It is rather easy to implement
>>> too.
>>> 2. I expected the book to retain the storylist. If I am reading a book,
>>> I would be happier if it opened directly where I left it.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry for not ( up until now ) replying properly to your post, which we
>> hugely appreciate !!
>> The suggestion of a dark theme ( thinking by that you mean - a dark
>> background ? I do have that in play for both the IPAD / tablet edition
>> and for the desktop edition = there's simply not enough framing space to
>> apply that in the iphone / andoid mobile version.
>>
>> As the ebook is Read Only - I cannot figure out how to ACTIVATE a
>> placemarker as you suggest - if you have any ideas  please forward them.
>> I am happy to create an independent copy of the SQuest formatting etc as
>> you ask and hope to publish that to the TW fraternity in a couple of weeks.
>> cheers John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[tw] Re: Dropbox no longer serving HTMTL files?

[John Newell]

To say that I am "miffed" at the prospect of net to no warning about the 
disconnection by dropbox in no longer delivering / rendering HTML files - 
such as TW - is enough *to have me cancel 17 accounts with them.*

*THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE *... and it renders HTML fine - it also can render 
*doc, *.xls, *.ppt, *.png, *.gif, *.jpg, *.mp4 etc etc 

test it out fr yourself - *it is my preferred companion product for use 
alongside TW5*

*https://goo.gl/Y1cjfQ <https://goo.gl/Y1cjfQ>*

you can read it in-browser - you'll recognise it as the Offline Guide in me 
TWebook post.
It renders full TW5 fine - at least for all the ones I've posted up.

There is a cost - but only $29 a YEAR and it's viirtually limitless - 
you'll be fans as I am
I use it a LOT for client sites where a padlet EMBED delivers fast reliable 
and simple info

highly  recommended 

cheers
John Newell




On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 12:19:36 AM UTC+10, Steven Schneider wrote:
>
> Has anyone received this email from Dropbox:
>
> We’re writing to let you know that we’ll be discontinuing the ability to 
> render HTML content in-browser via shared links or Public Folder. 
>
> If you're using Dropbox shared links to host HTML files for a website, 
> the content will no longer display in-browser.
>
> Please note that this change will take effect for your account on October 
> 3, 2016, and only impacts how shared files are displayed on the web. Your 
> files will remain safe in Dropbox.
>
> Thanks for being a loyal Dropbox user.
>
> -The Dropbox Team
>
> I have a paid account, pre-2012 with a public folder, so perhaps I'm 
> exempt? But this seems like a problem for those of us who use DropBox to 
> serve TW files. Any alternatives out there that folks are familiar with?
>
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[tw] Re: TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 3:24:27 AM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>
> Hi, this is a cool thing. To see use case scenarios is actually rare in 
> this  group. I can see that it a child of love and labor. 
>
> Can you please, atleast in this group, post a link to the tiddlywiki that 
> is not in the read only format? To ask you if there is a documentation of 
> the process of creating such a book seems bit too much. But may be you can 
> post some stylesheets, relevant code blocks etc.
>
> As for suggestions, here are two
> 1. May be an option to adopt a dark theme. It is a feature of all major 
> EPUB readers and TW shouldn't fall behind. It is rather easy to implement 
> too.
> 2. I expected the book to retain the storylist. If I am reading a book, I 
> would be happier if it opened directly where I left it.
>



Sorry for not ( up until now ) replying properly to your post, which we 
hugely appreciate !! 
The suggestion of a dark theme ( thinking by that you mean - a dark 
background ? I do have that in play for both the IPAD / tablet edition
and for the desktop edition = there's simply not enough framing space to 
apply that in the iphone / andoid mobile version.

As the ebook is Read Only - I cannot figure out how to ACTIVATE a 
placemarker as you suggest - if you have any ideas  please forward them.
I am happy to create an independent copy of the SQuest formatting etc as 
you ask and hope to publish that to the TW fraternity in a couple of weeks. 
cheers John





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[tw] Re: TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

I've been asked HOW to read the Spiritual Quest TW ebook "offline"
It's very easy - here's a quick Guide for iphone - 
*bit.ly* <http://bit.ly>*/TWOffline <http://bit.ly/TWOffline>*
similar applies to Android devices ...
( Note - this free version for evaluation has been prepared specifically 
for *MOBILE DEVICES*  
so you'll need to search for firefox / chrome / safaro desktop equivalents 
 if viewing that way - 

OR

Enjoy the TW ebook on your iphone and see how well that works - an how well 
the TW ebook is rendered on a small screen

cheers
John Newell

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:05:57 PM UTC+10, John Newell wrote:
>
> Hello to the wider tiddlywiki community - and thanks to the many who have 
> helped in various ways.
> The EPUB version is now selling and the TW5 version will be hot on its 
> heels after a get a few "kinks" ironed out
>
> In the meantime - here's TW version - https://payhip.com/b/JLBv
> The (finalised ) ePUB version - for comparison etc - here at a nominal 
> price https://payhip.com/b/jVTJ 
>
>
> ===
> Here are the differences & advantages TW ebooks provide
> over the ePUB format ... and of course PDF.
>
> https://socialas.padlet.org/socialasadmin/15dqxublw2jf
> ===
>
> The Spiritual Quest ePUB content is "almost" exactly the same as that of 
> the TW ebook - 
> but with TWebook  the delivery, navigation ( & navigability ) , imagery, 
> readability, tag links etc 
> all create a very different reading experience
> ( and audio playing WITHIN the TW version ) - 
>
> *need to be internet connected for that to be active.There is ALSO a 
> bunch of LIVE PAGES in the final edit that present new and extended content 
> c/- embeds that look better also in TW5*
> Feedback welcome
>
>
>
> cheers and thanks - John Newell ( on behalf of my beautiful wife, the 
> author - Sandy Lee )
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

Hi Matt - notes below ( and thanks again for the feedback )

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:40:45 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> John and Sandy, congrats and really thanks for sharing!!! Writing a real 
> book in TW - I think you're the first!
>
> Feedback welcome
>>
>
> I have not read the actual contents so I cannot comment on this. 
>  Layoutwise, I like it a lot. Gives a very friendly feeling.
>
> Some things to consider:
>
>- I got a bit confused with the tabs in the Contents but it may be 
>that I'm used to standard TW where dark tabs means they're inactive. This 
>made me wonder why two tabs (the white ones) seemed active. Maybe instead 
>of coloring the tab background lilac, it would be clearer if only the tab 
>borders were colored?( I tested this "different" book on 20 
>test-bunnies who are readers - no tech-heads, more attuned to reading 
>printed books - one needed guidance - all "got" the notion of coloured tab 
>( in CONTENTS ) is the active one ...yes - that differs from "normal 
> TW 
>protocol" but aligns with the standard within the ebook for active buttons 
>being coloured. )
>
>- Tiddler Contents doesn't seem to be a table of contents, as I 
>expected, but rather the actual contents of the whole book? ( Refer to 
>the extended response to that in RIZ's comments - also refer to the link 
>that provides some commentary to protocols demanded for ePUB submission an 
>how I addressed that with TW formatting - I am still open for feedback 
>Again in reference to my test-bunnies - I didn't ask about how they saw / 
>worked with the TOC - there wasn't any feedback or comment on that TOC - 
>and in enquiring later - they responded with "yeah - all good" as if they 
>just ran with it . )  link >>https://goo.gl/cC2F8X  
>
>- ...and why is the default tab called "Front"? Front of what? (Front 
>contents? It is not the front of the book with the image...?) ( refer 
>same as above - hopefully I've covered that - if not, I am open to more 
>questions / comments / suggestions.) https://goo.gl/cC2F8X 
>
>- There is a tag in the middle of the, um, Front tab list. It seems to 
>work like a link thought. But it leads to the same tiddler that the actual 
>link next to it. ( Experimenting with the testers / reviewers - to see 
>which they preferred - I have dropped the tag button . consistency won 
>out. )
>
>- Tiddler "Offline Reading" seems to miss close tiddler button. [ 
>Can you please advise on which chapter ? - and I'll check it out ]  
>
>- In Reflections, the tab Inspiration is arbitrarily(?) open by 
>default.   ( That will be set to ABUNDANCE when finalised )  thanks  
>
>- I'm not sure the flow-width layout is optimal for reading. It would 
>probably be better with a more narrow column in center. ( I totally 
>agree !!!  )  You have the twEbook oprimised for mobile device screens - 
>more specifically iPhoneBut then maybe it is not intended for a 
>laptop screen. ( When complete there are 3 versions - mobile / Tablet 
>/ Desktop* )   * Desktop challenges me as that's the one significant 
>advantage that ePUBs and PDFs have - the ability to present 2 open pages - 
>side x side onscreen - I haven't addressed that as yet - and I may not - 
> as 
>the major (re)sellers of ebooks have mobile devices way ahead of desktop 
>reading ( according to screen res recorded ) - I would guess that 
> techincal 
>books - esp in PDF would invert that result - my market is primarily mobile
>
>  

   - The wide screen also makes e.g the single line text under each 
   reflection be to the left making but the imag+caption is centered. ( 
   Thanks for that -  It isn't an issue on iphones - but IS on tablets and 
   desktops - appreciate your attention to detail 
   

>  Again, thanks for sharing John + Sandy!
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

Hi Mark

I now "get" what you were directing me to 

( I assumed you meant top of the READING PAGE - which is not what you 
meant..
You ARE 100% correct - the TAB IDENTIFIER of the eBOOK NAME and Favicon is 
important and just hadn;t been fully addressed in this pre-release edition

cheers
JOHN


On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:33:05 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> This wouldn't be an either/or kind of question. I'm attaching a screen 
> shot. If the TW ebook is one of say a half-dozen tabs open, it helps the 
> eye to have the title on the top of the browser and on the tab.
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 5:29:02 PM UTC-7, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> perhaps a good question I polled friends ( about 20+ ) with the 
>> option of presenting the ebook pages WITH or without the top title ( which 
>> I believe you are referring to ) and all thought the cover ( labelled 
>> Spiritual Quest ) looked better.
>>
>> As the "home page" IS that which shows the cover image / book name - that 
>> worked 
>>
>> if i have missed your point - apologies - please correct me 
>>
>> thanks for the feedback
>>
>> cheers
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mailbird 
>> <http://www.getmailbird.com/?utm_source=Mailbird_medium=email_campaign=sent-from-mailbird>
>>
>> On 14/09/2016 3:49:27 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Is there some reason why no title has been provided in the TW version? 
>> Most people will expect to see the title listed in the tabs.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-7, John Newell wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello to the wider tiddlywiki community - and thanks to the many who 
>>> have helped in various ways.
>>> The EPUB version is now selling and the TW5 version will be hot on its 
>>> heels after a get a few "kinks" ironed out
>>>
>>> In the meantime - here's TW version - https://payhip.com/b/JLBv
>>> and the ePUB version for comparison - http://bit.ly/SQebook 
>>>
>>> The content is "almost" exactly the same - but the delivery, navigation 
>>> ( & navigability ) , imagery, readability, tag links etc create a very 
>>> different reading experience
>>> ( and audio playing WITHIN the TW version ) - 
>>>
>>> *need to be internet connected for that to be active.There is ALSO a 
>>> bunch of LIVE PAGES in the final edit that present new and extended content 
>>> c/- embeds that look better also in TW5*
>>> Feedback welcome
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers and thanks - John Newell ( on behalf of my beautiful wife, the 
>>> author - Sandy Lee )
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[tw] Re: TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

Hi Riz

Thanks for your words of support.
Your suggestion of "process documentation": is a great idea - I've got 
dozens / hundreds of pages that have been part of this 14 months process - 
in part TW formatting / discovery and implementation /+  part content/ 
rewrites / imagery/ optimising and getting my head around how to use TW for 
it's most accessible benefits.

*Bookmarking *in a readonly version is beyond my skill level ( especially 
as the ebook is best delivered in an uneditable format to the buyer / 
reader )
I believe that is only a problem for novels - ie - a LINEAR "read" from 
front to back of a book - where BOOKMARKING would be handy

*( Does anyone know how I can address that ? )*

SQuest and the several other books in progress  are ALL NOT LINEAR.
Readers of SQuest have LIKED the ability to :

   - Start anywhere
   - navigate easily to the NEXT chapter ( or ) 
   - to an "aligned chapter" - eg the "FACETS" ( how similar Reflection 
   Chapters are "categorised" ) allow easy ways to go to similar chapters
   - find where they last were via the chapter "REFLECTIONS" which lists 
   the titles + summary + image identifier  - easily
   
Tag links work. 
Categories work.
Tabs work.

The books in progress all benefit with TW's navigation options. 
The books include : 

   - Winery Wedding Book. 
   - Retailer Catalogue / health benefits Guide 
   - Regional Tourism eBook ( online & offline versions )  includes 1300+ 
   venues, accommodation, wineries, brewers, attractions, sports clubs, 
   hotels, restaurants, retailers, cafes etc etc
   - My ebook "The Virtuous Soul" ( SQuest for "blokes" )
   - Builder / Renovator Extended Brochure - How To | Inspirations & 
   example work using| Live pinterest boards | Completed Work | Testimonials 
   etc
   - Saddlery Site - products + specialist blogs LIVE to eBook ( bypasses 
   email - though we have those available ) + online purchase etc

I provide marketing / training / mentor services to some large & specialist 
retail groups 
and THEIR FLOORSPACE was the inspiration as to HOW to use dynamic 
navigation within TW ebooks

As these books are for readers who wander like "browsing customers" it 
makes sense to appeal to their similar proclivities :

   - Make guidance simple
   - Group sections
   - Provide visual representations ( IKEA does this quite well )
   - Make progression to similar requirements easy to identify and navigate 
   to.
   
RIZ = your other suggestions have also connected with me


   - There's good reason a range of eBooks of the SAME CONTENT can be 
   provided with the OPTION of colour formats for light / dark backgrounds ( 
   easily done )
   - Once the current version is finalised ( it is MOBILE optimised at 
   present ) there will be a tablet version ( eg ipad screen sized ) and a 
   desktop version *
   - * the desktop version is a "maybe" until I figure out how to best 
   address a full width screen display of a page ( which looks . wrong ) - 
   so I am considering tiddlers with columns

>From another bunch of comments and feedback ( other respondents ) were the 
layout options I deployed.

 

Under CONTENTS : "Why is there a *FRONT*|MAIN BOOK ( the 
*REFLECTIONS* )|and *BACK   ?*

The format of just about any eBook ( ePUB for example ) and physical book 
follow the same protocols 

TW does have the advantage of having more dynamic ways to presents 
them...


I almost every ePUB and physical book - once having turned the cover over 
to enter the book

the reader then FLIPs through :



   - Inside Cover ( title and often a byline ) * - then ...*
   - Other Books by the same author(s)   *   - then ...*
   - Book Title Page ( along with byline ) + author(s) name(s) * - then 
   ...*
   - Copyright also attributions, contributions, artwork, called rights, 
   ISBN number etc* - then ...*
   - Dedication 
* - then ...  finally !!! *
   - TABLE OF CONTENTS

I think having TOC up earlier saves "flipping" through pages that often 
aren't read - and almost NEVER re-read 

So, a TOC upfront that still provides FRONT | MAIN CONTENT | BACK is 
appropriate


To validate this - just check out :

https://goo.gl/cC2F8X  



which has relevant notes for ePUB / printed book / TWebook

and the "Chicago Manual of Style Conventions" formats required to submit 
ePUB ebooks

( not applicable to TWebooks - but some consistency is warranted )



Hope that helps


anyone who wants to receive updates on TWebooks - please email me directly 
- via   john  @  social  .  as

I'd update via where the free Ebook edition was found but most provided 
dummy/junk email addresses.


cheers

John

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 3:24:27 AM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>
> Hi, this is a cool thing. To see use case scenarios is actually rare in 
> this  group. I can see that it a child of love and labor. 
>
> Can you please, atleast in this group, post a link to the tiddlywiki 

[tw] Re: TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:40:45 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> John and Sandy, congrats and really thanks for sharing!!! Writing a real 
> book in TW - I think you're the first!
>
   FIRST ?  : I find astonishing - as TW is ( at least to me ) a 
near-perfect tool to create an ebook ( in HTML5 ) - GREAT in it's own right 
- awesome flexibility ( which often slows me up - as it takes me a while to 
sort out HOW to do what I know TW can do. 
TW offers better presentation and navigation alternatives compared to ePUB 
which is far more challenging - and can be very frustrating due to its 
limitations and formatting quirks ( eg PressBooks ) 
The second book ( in progress now ) will be completed much faster and will 
incorporate more WOW factor with some really cool implementations - like 
in-book presentation of audio, video plus other LIVE components whereby 
*content 
is updated* and *extended *without the reader having to download another 
copy. 

>
> Feedback welcome
>>
>
> I have not read the actual contents so I cannot comment on this. 
>  Layoutwise, I like it a lot. Gives a very* friendly feeling*.
>
So happy to hear that - as the author ( Sandy ) and I see accessibility and 
comfort in reading hugely important. ( why do all ePUB books have to be so 
"dour" in presentation?
 
 I realise that - at least for this ebook - "Spiritual Quest" - the* target 
market* is SIGNIFICANTLY different to that within the Google Groups walls.
The test market has been 20+ friends and family, plus connections from 
within my twitter reach ( @magillamax ) who do READ this content type ( 
spiritual, guidance, new age, self-help, counselling, mystic - were the key 
words ...  ) - with their likes and proclivities in mind 
The eBook was "moulded" to appease their needs. As such it DOES look 
significantly different to the "standards" out there in PDF and ePUB 
formats ( which I find archaic, unfriendly, restrictive and lifeless   
without personality ) ... 
and I believe that's the EDGE that TW provides - a "read" that embraces 
colour and creativity. expression.

That covered, I have tried to answer the questions below .   where I 
have added   - ** -this WAS polled and the most accessible / popular / 
intuitive response was adopted for the book

>
> Some things to consider:
>
>- I got a bit confused with the tabs in the Contents but it may be 
>that I'm used to standard TW where dark tabs means they're inactive.   
>**  coloured dark ( eg purple is active ) and uncoloured is unselected 
>  
>This made me wonder why two tabs (the white ones) seemed active. Maybe 
>instead of coloring the tab background lilac, it would be clearer if only 
>the tab borders were colored? I think in a more "technical" ebook &/or 
>one without so much imagery, colour and personality - your suggestion is 
>more appropriate ( thanks 
> 
>- Tiddler Contents doesn't seem to be a table of contents, as I 
>expected, but rather the actual contents of the whole book?
>- ...and why is the default tab called "Front"? Front of what? (Front 
>contents? It is not the front of the book with the image...?)
>- There is a tag in the middle of the, um, Front tab list. It seems to 
>work like a link thought. But it leads to the same tiddler that the actual 
>link next to it.
>- Tiddler "Offline Reading" seems to miss close tiddler button.
>- In Reflections, the tab Inspiration is arbitrarily(?) open by 
>default.
>
>- I'm not sure the flow-width layout is optimal for reading. It would 
>probably be better with a more narrow column in center. But then maybe it 
>is not intended for a laptop screen.
>- The wide screen also makes e.g the single line text under each 
>reflection be to the left making but the imag+caption is centered. 
>
>
>  Again, thanks for sharing John + Sandy!
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

Thanks for the support and comments / feedback = we greatly appreciate it...

We've just had an 8hr power outage - 
so am behind responding properly - which I will do so tonight ( our 
timezone is : Melbourne Australia )
in the meantime, one of the direct emails I got reminded me of this test 
file :

I particularly love it - an embedded audio within this earlier copy of 
Spiritual Quest  
Open it up. This houses the search bar - type in "ENLIGHTENMENT"
Open the result ( that IS CAPITALISED )
and drag down to the PLEDGE ( image of a hand )

play one of the audio pledges that are to be embedded into many more 
chapters
there are also several audios for the "primary" Reflections - as Guided 
Journeys 

( find a free 30 minute guided meditation from 
https://www.oronjo.com/p/ZsMcafxSoqBmEj8ND for the next few days )

proper response to all feedback collectively within the next 6-8 hours
many thanks 
John



On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:05:57 PM UTC+10, John Newell wrote:
>
> Hello to the wider tiddlywiki community - and thanks to the many who have 
> helped in various ways.
> The EPUB version is now selling and the TW5 version will be hot on its 
> heels after a get a few "kinks" ironed out
>
> In the meantime - here's TW version - https://payhip.com/b/JLBv
> and the ePUB version for comparison - http://bit.ly/SQebook 
>
> The content is "almost" exactly the same - but the delivery, navigation ( 
> & navigability ) , imagery, readability, tag links etc create a very 
> different reading experience
> ( and audio playing WITHIN the TW version ) - 
>
> *need to be internet connected for that to be active.There is ALSO a 
> bunch of LIVE PAGES in the final edit that present new and extended content 
> c/- embeds that look better also in TW5*
> Feedback welcome
>
>
>
> cheers and thanks - John Newell ( on behalf of my beautiful wife, the 
> author - Sandy Lee )
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

Hi there   ... I hope I address these points to satisfaction - a couple of 
them ARE already on my final edits / considerations list. for brevity I 
have appended your points with my responses ..

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:40:45 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> John and Sandy, congrats and really thanks for sharing!!! Writing a real 
> book in TW - I think you're the first!
>
> Feedback welcome
>>
>
> I have not read the actual contents so I cannot comment on this. 
>  Layoutwise, I like it a lot. Gives a very *friendly *feeling. ( *thanks 
> - THAT is one of the greatest accessibility features of TW *)
>
> Some things to consider:
>
>- I got a bit confused with the tabs in the Contents but it may be 
>that I'm used to standard TW where dark tabs means they're inactive. This 
>made me wonder why two tabs (the white ones) seemed active. Maybe instead 
>of coloring the tab background lilac, it would be clearer if only the tab 
>borders were colored?
>
>


 

>
>- 
>- Tiddler Contents doesn't seem to be a table of contents, as I 
>expected, but rather the actual contents of the whole book?
>- ...and why is the default tab called "Front"? Front of what? (Front 
>contents? It is not the front of the book with the image...?)
>- There is a tag in the middle of the, um, Front tab list. It seems to 
>work like a link thought. But it leads to the same tiddler that the actual 
>link next to it.
>- Tiddler "Offline Reading" seems to miss close tiddler button.
>- In Reflections, the tab Inspiration is arbitrarily(?) open by 
>default.
>
>- I'm not sure the flow-width layout is optimal for reading. It would 
>probably be better with a more narrow column in center. But then maybe it 
>is not intended for a laptop screen.
>- The wide screen also makes e.g the single line text under each 
>reflection be to the left making but the imag+caption is centered. 
>
>
>  Again, thanks for sharing John + Sandy!
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: beginning to understand

[John Newell]

Totally agree with you, Eneko - which is why I have used it to create a 
very unique ebook
The ability to format and deliver more attractive and appropriate content 
leaves ePUB etc for dead.
Get a free copy of my wife's "tw-book" version of her book on my recent 
post.
I would love to see what you are doing with your poetry.

cheers JOHN

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 11:06:46 PM UTC+10, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
>
> Hi all Byte Masters!
>
> I think I begin to understand what TW is and what it offers.
>
> I have begun to use it to write poetry (being each poem a tiddler). I think 
> the markup capabilities of TW can offer interesting linking and browsing 
> capabilities between the verses.
>
> I believe that for me, humble beginner, it is a good choice to start 
> saving my tiddlers as plain text (but doing that ​I guess the markup 
> capabilities within the text –i.e., poems– are lost.).
>
> Thank​ you very much for this promising app!
>
> -- 
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> eneko...@gmail.com 
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[tw] TW5 eBook pre-release of "Spiritual Quest" - free copy.

[John Newell]

Hello to the wider tiddlywiki community - and thanks to the many who have 
helped in various ways.
The EPUB version is now selling and the TW5 version will be hot on its 
heels after a get a few "kinks" ironed out

In the meantime - here's TW version - https://payhip.com/b/JLBv
and the ePUB version for comparison - http://bit.ly/SQebook 

The content is "almost" exactly the same - but the delivery, navigation ( & 
navigability ) , imagery, readaibility, tag links etc create a very 
different reading experience
( and that audio plays WITHIN the TW version )
- need to be internet connected for that to be active.

Feedback welcome

cheers and thanks - John Newell ( on behalf of my beautiful wife, the 
author - Sandy Lee )

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[tw] Re: TW5 How Do I Remove the Search Box?

[John Newell]

Thanks to you both
The problem is solved and I can now finalise the tw-book

If this post/topic can please e left open for a little while I will add a 
link that allows access to the final version.
I am sure others have done amazing things with TW5 - but as an ebook it 
rocks !

cheers and thanks again !

JN

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 2:32:15 PM UTC+10, John Newell wrote:
>
> I am in the final production stage of the (tw) eBook SpiritualQuest and I 
> need to remove the Search Box.
> I have used the ReadOnly format ( with many thanks to Ton Gerner) to great 
> effect 
> but the search box is redundant as I have other navigation in play WITHIN 
> each tiddler.
>
> What is the best (simplest, please)  way to remove it?
>
> John Newell
>
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

In delivering a TW5 file as an ebook to iphones (etc) would it be 
(best/most?) workable by getting readers to use the TWedit app and just pwd 
protect the TW5 HTML file?

JN




On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:57:19 PM UTC+11, John Newell wrote:
>
> (*First time Group Poster, 7 years TW user and fan.*)
>
> *THE SHORT VERSION *:
> I need assistance in creating a TW5 file that is an alternative to eBook 
> format - that is 
>
>- Non-editable by the reader
>- Without the sidebar ( as navigation is / will be - via tags & links 
>in each tiddler (chapter)  and "close tiddler button" at the base of the 
>long pages.)
>- and no access to backend
>
> If anyone can assist we'd be very grateful - and as I have had trouble 
> finding anything online that espouses the greatness of TW5 as a likely 
> BETTER alternative to eBooks in other formats ( and provides a guide to 
> achieving the uneditable standalone version ) - I would love to promote the 
> socks off tiddlywiki's benefits. I have over 400K social followers over 
> various accounts- the biggest following a few have caught up with me 
> recently on : twitter @magillamax
>
>
> *Background to this request :*
>
> My wife and I have just finished a very large tome (7MB) called "Spiritual 
> Quest" ("SQ") which we have recently issued to 40+ people to review before 
> taking it live.
> Created as an EPUB - it amazed me how many had trouble downloading it - 
> then opening in an ePub reader - usually iBooks.
> After getting frustrated at their ineptness - I looked at myself and 
> figured that "I" must make the book more accessible.
>
> I quickly created a TW5 version - uploaded to dropbox - and emailed it to 
> 22 ppl with a direct link to the TW5 within dropbox.
> Most had dropbox and opened it immediately _ voilà !! 
> <https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t=j==s=web=1=0ahUKEwjb-feOuKvLAhWIipQKHTVwCMkQFggcMAA=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fvoil%25C3%25A0=AFQjCNEc8CG-LJDPv1Eb4759IKMMuTiUcw=XPXOkuVw4hZ6XDDe5t-zlg>
> I also provided to each a quick guide to Adding the SQ Tiddlywiki file to 
> "Reading list"
> In TW5 it renders (significantly) better, is more efficient in use of 
> space, cleaner, easier to edit, changing Settings to Airplane Mode and then 
> opening up perfectly in Safari - all good ---
> ( and TW5 is always a "snack" to edit and add to )
>
> thanks in advance - and I'll keep future comm's less wordy.. JN
>
>
>
>
> *Tiddlywiki has revolutionized my management of client information, 
> registrations, content, invoices etc ( especially with the advent of {{ }} 
> transclusions)I have also used it for VERY effective management and 
> tracking a recent (narrative) book.I love what TW5 can do, and use it 
> daily. However I am very cautious going into the deeper coding.*
>
> <https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t=j==s=web=1=0ahUKEwjb-feOuKvLAhWIipQKHTVwCMkQFggcMAA=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fvoil%25C3%25A0=AFQjCNEc8CG-LJDPv1Eb4759IKMMuTiUcw=XPXOkuVw4hZ6XDDe5t-zlg>
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[tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

Hi there - I would love to provide templates as requested - except I have 
come across a recent hurdle - I can't get a reliable delivery of the final 
HTML file from server to iphone (etc) = my favoured "padlet" file delivery 
has suddenly gone awry - with NEW  tiddlywiki uploads of the FINAL EDITION 
of the SQ eBook rendering on screen as the text version = like this --- 


This TiddlyWiki contains the following tiddlers:

.
►List of Reflections
$:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/export-page
$:/config/ViewToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/clone
$:/core
$:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Palette
$:/DefaultTiddlers
$:/favicon.ico
$:/Import
$:/isEncrypted
$:/language/Buttons/Close/Hint
$:/palettes/Vanilla
$:/SiteSubtitle
$:/SiteTitle
$:/state/Abundance-2033015763

etc

ie not like it should normally?
are there any ideas as to how to best deliver a single TW5 file to a mobile 
device and have it render as it would on a laptop etc...?

Full size it works fine  - but my market is mainly mobile ..
any help appreciated.

cheers JN

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:57:19 PM UTC+11, John Newell wrote:
>
> (*First time Group Poster, 7 years TW user and fan.*)
>
> *THE SHORT VERSION *:
> I need assistance in creating a TW5 file that is an alternative to eBook 
> format - that is 
>
>- Non-editable by the reader
>- Without the sidebar ( as navigation is / will be - via tags & links 
>in each tiddler (chapter)  and "close tiddler button" at the base of the 
>long pages.)
>- and no access to backend
>
> If anyone can assist we'd be very grateful - and as I have had trouble 
> finding anything online that espouses the greatness of TW5 as a likely 
> BETTER alternative to eBooks in other formats ( and provides a guide to 
> achieving the uneditable standalone version ) - I would love to promote the 
> socks off tiddlywiki's benefits. I have over 400K social followers over 
> various accounts- the biggest following a few have caught up with me 
> recently on : twitter @magillamax
>
>
> *Background to this request :*
>
> My wife and I have just finished a very large tome (7MB) called "Spiritual 
> Quest" ("SQ") which we have recently issued to 40+ people to review before 
> taking it live.
> Created as an EPUB - it amazed me how many had trouble downloading it - 
> then opening in an ePub reader - usually iBooks.
> After getting frustrated at their ineptness - I looked at myself and 
> figured that "I" must make the book more accessible.
>
> I quickly created a TW5 version - uploaded to dropbox - and emailed it to 
> 22 ppl with a direct link to the TW5 within dropbox.
> Most had dropbox and opened it immediately _ voilà !! 
> <https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t=j==s=web=1=0ahUKEwjb-feOuKvLAhWIipQKHTVwCMkQFggcMAA=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fvoil%25C3%25A0=AFQjCNEc8CG-LJDPv1Eb4759IKMMuTiUcw=XPXOkuVw4hZ6XDDe5t-zlg>
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> "Reading list"
> In TW5 it renders (significantly) better, is more efficient in use of 
> space, cleaner, easier to edit, changing Settings to Airplane Mode and then 
> opening up perfectly in Safari - all good ---
> ( and TW5 is always a "snack" to edit and add to )
>
> thanks in advance - and I'll keep future comm's less wordy.. JN
>
>
>
>
> *Tiddlywiki has revolutionized my management of client information, 
> registrations, content, invoices etc ( especially with the advent of {{ }} 
> transclusions)I have also used it for VERY effective management and 
> tracking a recent (narrative) book.I love what TW5 can do, and use it 
> daily. However I am very cautious going into the deeper coding.*
>
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[John Newell]

Hi Mark

In the release of the twEbook I have disabled the ability for readers to
add, edit or save content using the tiddlywiki platform.

Please note that I expect in excess of 95% of readers to be interacting
with the twEbook on mobile devices ( phone & tablets ). That means access
to cloud services within the eBook ( NOT so common .. yet!! )

Tiddlywiki is perfectly suited to embeds, online interaction etc - how many
tiddlywikis have you created with ,  wrote:

> As an eBook, if you take away the ability to save, you also take away the
> ability to have annotations. Probably worth thinking about annotations and
> bookmarks in future ebooks. An annotated ebook could be passed among
> friends who could add their thoughts.
>
> Mark
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 at 9:02:12 AM UTC-8, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all...
>> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point
>> me in the right direction.
>>
>> I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the games
>> I play.
>> Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as a
>> read only file, for offline viewing.
>> Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep it
>> simple and lightweight.
>>
>> I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
>> I would like to hide or remove access to the inner workings of TW5.
>> I would also like to hide of remove the sidebar, toolbar and the save,
>> edit and control panel functions.
>>
>> Any help, info or links you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thank you.
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[John Newell]

 Hi c pa

I'm ReadOnly -ing my Final TW as an eBook - which works fine

I am applying that as my final, distributable product.

If what you suggest is worth doing - I would be grateful to see the end
result and any accompanying Guide Notes, I just don't have any free time
ATM to pursue your suggestion - I am not a coder - so it already daunts me

Cheers John

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> Oh this is an easy one.
> #1 Edit the edit template and change it to look exactly like the view
> template
> #2 Open up the tiddlywiki in a text editor, find the shadow edit template,
> and make it look exactly like the view template.
> #Save the text file
> #Load in a browser and test
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

hi there

TOTALLY agree
▶️ I've introduced hundreds to TW - and if each of us TW aficionados has
been doing the same - then there's a big userbase out there -
but the increased complexity confuses many, ( like it's built for nerds
and not Joe Average )

Following the lead of Ghost.org and their clean and simple approach to
pages/posts and markup /// or pen.io if you like
I have everyone keeping it simple and safe

As for eBooks, tiddlywiki is a God-sent marvel and an invigorating new
format to revel in. It flows better, DOWN a page actually is more
accommodating that 20 flicks to the right.

Navigation via tags and buttons are seconds to produce with a bit of
forethought.

The whole process is simplified dramatically. I have created twBooks in
under an hour compared to 3-10 times longer preparing a legible ePub. Let's
not even touch PDFs.
No front and back end. No dramas following daft protocols, the likes that
PressBooks delivers.

Clean.
responsive.
Beautiful if you want it to be

It's even a website that you can take offline and still enjoy ..

Let's keep in touch,
This is only just starting to get interesting.

Cheers
John Newell
Pref - bluemi...@me.com

On Friday, 17 June 2016, Josiah <proge...@assays.tv> wrote:

> Ciao John Newell
>
> I am very much in harmony with the idea of wide USAGE without needing full
> blown editing.
>
> By way of background it seems to me that there is a huge userbase for TW
> that never appears here and is hard to document because (by design) TW does
> not track users.
>
> The MASS effect of TW's that are mainly read is something of interest to
> me. "Semi-editing" modes are also interesting. Like, for instance, to
> create versions with facility to ONLY add notes & bookmarks.
>
> Regards
> Josiah
>
> On Friday, 17 June 2016 09:14:34 UTC+2, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> Missed a bit .
>>
>> My objective is to have thousands of reader using tiddlywiki - with ease
>> ( though not editing it ) . Or at least - not in the way you'd imagine.
>>
>> Cheers
>> JN
>>
>> John Newell
>> MAGILLA ENTERPRISES
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>> tw: @magillamax
>>
>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 4:24 PM, Mat <matia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John, you mentioned in another thread that your book is about to be
>> released.
>>
>> Could I, on behalf o f the community, ask you to share your final
>> TW-as-eBook setup (without content) ? It sounds like a spot-on thing as an
>> edition and I'm sure it would be very appealing to a lot of people -
>> including people who would not otherwise begin using TW.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> <:-)
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

Missed a bit .

My objective is to have thousands of reader using tiddlywiki - with ease ( 
though not editing it ) . Or at least - not in the way you'd imagine.

Cheers
JN

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> 
> Hi John, you mentioned in another thread that your book is about to be 
> released.
> 
> Could I, on behalf o f the community, ask you to share your final TW-as-eBook 
> setup (without content) ? It sounds like a spot-on thing as an edition and 
> I'm sure it would be very appealing to a lot of people - including people who 
> would not otherwise begin using TW.
> 
> Thank you!
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

Hi Mat

Thanks for the email, I would be honoured to do so. 

Soon after launching I will strip it back as a twBook template and provide it - 
don't think of it as earth-shattering stuff ( but with help I am sure it could 
be ! )

I believe what TW is capable of FAR EXCEEDS the functionality and BEAUTY of 
other eBook formats - and my limited coding ability holds me back from making 
this THE future for eBooks - yes - I am an advocate and part-visionary as I see 
in TW what hasn't been used to advantage 

I know that's immodest - but that's my role  And I can SEE an amazing book 
to follow the one you'll see shortly.

All the best
John Newell
Yarra Valley. Australia 
Skype -  johnrnewell
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> setup (without content) ? It sounds like a spot-on thing as an edition and 
> I'm sure it would be very appealing to a lot of people - including people who 
> would not otherwise begin using TW.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
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[tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[John Newell]

In finalising a tiddlywiki side project and researching what I don't - that 
I need to know, I cam across your post - and your comment : "I guess the 
real question is what does read only gain you?"

As an ebook author, the integrity of the content is important - to me and 
to the reader. 
I could allow readers to edit the content, at their own risk but an 
in-tact tome is critical for several reasons - including :

   - An "edited" version of my ebook could be shared after a reader has 
   made changes that I would not like to see out there publicly - I would have 
   no control over the book's contents. 
   - I remember my early editing of tiddlywiki. I was clumsy. I have 
   crashed complete TW HTML files, I have wrecked and lost tiddlers. I have 
   experimented with CSS and achieved cool and disastrous results. I have 
   become so frustrated at my own ineptitude in its personalisation that I 
   have slammed down my laptop screen. I don't want THAT as a gift to my 
   readers.

I am only guessing but I reckon 99.9% of the global population would be 
naiive to the charms and abilities - even the name - of tiddlywiki. And 
that's why I have created as many cues and enhancements of intuitive 
navigation and ease of reading adjustments as I can.


As a resource for note taking, story building, wiki-ing anything worthy of 
curating, Tiddlywiki is a category-killer. 

As an editable and destroyable eBook version ... no.


My eBook is due to be released in the coming 3-4 days and am in the process 
of final edits including READ-ONLY-ing it.


In final research, and reading your post  - I am grateful for it - as it 
cements in my mind the need to make this project as congruent and flowing 
as possible for the reader.


all the best  - John Newell ( project " Spiritual Quest" eBook / twBook ! )

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>
> I'm curious if you download a document for offline viewing why do you 
> require readonly? I mean if the user who downloads the document changes it 
> then what would it matter. Maybe they wasn't to add personal notes or add 
> house rules. Why should they be prevented to do so? The changes are local 
> to them and do not affect the "master" version you own. And if they totally 
> bugger it up then they can easily re download it. If they want to "upgrade" 
> then can import a newer tiddler into their modified one and it should 
> overwrite the unmodified ones.
>
> I guess the real question is what does read only gain you?
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 12:02:12 PM UTC-5, NODEGAMRA wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all...
>> I am loving TW5, I am a new user and I would like for some one to point 
>> me in the right direction.
>>
>> I am a board gamer and I am putting together a FAQs for some of the games 
>> I play.
>> Mi goal is to be able to distribute the FAQs to the gaming community as a 
>> read only file, for offline viewing. 
>> Nothing fancy the default snow white theme works great, I want to keep it 
>> simple and lightweight.
>>
>> I have my first FAQ ready to go, but...
>> I would like to hide or remove access to the inner workings of TW5.
>> I would also like to hide of remove the sidebar, toolbar and the save, 
>> edit and control panel functions.
>>
>> Any help, info or links you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thank you.
>>
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[tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

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On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 6:13:52 PM UTC+11, John Newell wrote:
>
>
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> ( links below as well )
>
>
> Hi Mark.
> In response to "*Does zooming of TW on Safari on i-devices work 
> appropriately*?"
>
>
>
> A definitive NO NEED TO !!  
> *TW5 renders perfectly on iphone Safari !*
>
> I have uploaded a brief test version of the the TW5 version of Spiritual 
> Quest to the cloud 
> find the *Tiddlywiki HTML file*  here :
>
>
> https://padlet-uploads.storage.googleapis.com/32228399/e1d58c96f4c59316913ced53cddce460db9891f5/fe1ac6529f26949ac6be33ee187fe8c0.html
>
>
>- open it on iphone USING Safari and see it live .
>
>
>- More importantly - while open - BOOKMARK IT - then switch iphone 
>SETTINGS to Airplane Mode ( it saves the file automatically to your phone 
>now ) 
>
>
>- and while still offline - close the tab - then open the Bookmark you 
>just created = perfect rendition (offline)
>
> and it saves everything as it's just the ONE HTML that was downloaded 
> so, as long as images are imported and save as tiddlers, its all there. - 
> neat and clean
>
> example screen grabs 
>
> <http://goog_992976392>
>
>- 
>
> https://padlet-uploads.storage.googleapis.com/32228399/aac1871a48cebaf77c4f962481dfdce333f8bd9b/69525ccd4d0bbcb5ccc8fd79d4ce6b5d.jpg
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>
>
>- 
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>
> ( will obviously appear oversized on desk/lap -top but perfect on iphone ( 
> BETTER ) than my PressBook ePub version  
>  Major differences :
>
>- Scroll down each page / chapter / tiddler - rather than thumb or tap 
>sideways through pages
>
>
>- Which has the advantage of faster back-tracking within same chapter
>   - But requires END OF TIDDLER ( CLOSE TIDDLER button to be handy 
>   THERE rather than scrolling back to the top )
>   - Feels more concise as this format of one chapter to one (long) 
>   page means 50 pages rather than 1100 ! ( in full edition of ebook )
>   - THERE IS FAR LESS scrolling ( due to fewer page turns ) and FEELS 
>   more cohesive
>   
>   - In TW5. Navigation has to be changed - I am adding a TOC tiddler 
>+ top and bottom tab type links
>- There is NO bookmarking tab as in ePUBs top right of page
>
> There's more but you get the gist of it in the links provided
>
>
> I'll be open - I do need help and I am happy to provide attribution in the 
> eBook if you like - and contribution to the TW fund.
>

My objectives :

   -  install Readonly Theme  and Remove all visibility of *sidebar *icons, 
   tabs, etc - everything ( checking out / testing - not confident yet )
   -  remove tiddler date stamping ( *unsure of how to * ) 
   -  remove tiddler function icons ( OK with this )
   -  add Table of Contents Tiddler ( OK )
   -  add extra navigation buttons ( OK )
   -  add "close Tiddler" button ( OK ) 
   -  add "Back to Top" button - due to LONG pages ( thinking I just name 
   it as such and have a "same tiddler" link for reloading -> *back to top* 
   ! ( OK )
   -  wish list would be a bookmark tab akin to ePub function - not needed, 
   maybe later.
   

> Unsure what the protocol in this group is for sharing info - so i can be 
> found on twitter @magillamax
>
>
> cheers
> John
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 6:33:36 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Just curious. Does zooming of TW on Safari on i-devices work 
>> appropriately?
>>
>> On Firefox in Android, when you attempt to zoom on a tiddler the words go 
>> off the end of the screen. Very annoying and not how it works on the 
>> desktop. Fortunately, it works correctly on andtidwiki.
>>
>> One of the advantages of epub readers (at least on Android) is that you 
>> can easily change font size and color and even set up night reading 
>> environments. To use TW as a complete epub substitute, it seems like you 
>> would need some way to easily swap themes to accommodate the user's 
>> environment.
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 10:57:19 PM UTC-8, John Newell wrote:
>>>
>>> (*First time Group Poster, 7 years TW user and fan.*)
>>>
>>> *THE SHORT VERSION *:
>>> I need assistance in creating a

[tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

Hi Mark.
In response to "*Does zooming of TW on Safari on i-devices work 
appropriately*?"

A definitive YES.
I have uploaded a brief test version of the the TW5 version of Spiritual 
Quest to the cloud 
find the *Tiddlywiki HTML file*  here :

https://padlet-uploads.storage.googleapis.com/32228399/e1d58c96f4c59316913ced53cddce460db9891f5/fe1ac6529f26949ac6be33ee187fe8c0.html


   - open it on iphone USING Safari and see it live .


   - More importantly - while open - BOOKMARK IT - the switch iphone 
   SETTINGS to Airplane Mode ( it saves the file automatically to your phone 
   now ) 
   

   - and while still offline - close the tab - then open the Bookmark you 
   just created = perfect rendition

and it saves everything as it's just the ONE HTML that was downloaded 
so, as long as images are imported and save as tiddlers, its all there. - 
neat and clean

example screen grabs 


   
   - 
   
https://padlet-uploads.storage.googleapis.com/32228399/aac1871a48cebaf77c4f962481dfdce333f8bd9b/69525ccd4d0bbcb5ccc8fd79d4ce6b5d.jpg
 
   

   - 
   
https://padlet-uploads.storage.googleapis.com/32228399/5deffcb9440ff3a6d2c2f74edb7ee9b354ced548/d22db914557d90d3dc219efe6a57e3c2.jpg

( will obviously appear oversized on desk/lap -top but perfect on iphone ( 
BETTER ) than my PressBook ePub version  
 Major differences :

   - Scroll down each page / chapter / tiddler - rather than thumb or tap 
   sideways through pages


   - Which has the advantage of faster back-tracking within same chapter
  - But requires END OF TIDDLEr ( CLOSE TIDDLER button to be handy 
  THERE rather than scrolling back to the top )
  - Feels more concise as this format of one chapter to one (long) page 
  means 50 pages rather than 1100 ! ( in full edition of ebook )
  - THERE IS FAR LESS scrolling ( due to fewer page turns ) and FEELS 
  more cohesive
  
  - In TW5. Navigation has to be changed - I am adding a TOC tiddler + 
   top and bottom tab type links
   - There is NO bookmarking tab as in ePUBs top right of page

There's more but you get the gist of it in the links provided


I'll be open - I do need help as I am under the pump and what I can offer 
to you or anyone else who can help me get the" simple-for-you-guys but 
tough-for-me" edits  done - attribution in the eBook if you like - and 
contribution to the TW fund.


Unsure what the protocol in this group is for sharing info - so i can be 
found on twitter @magillamax


cheers
John

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 6:33:36 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Just curious. Does zooming of TW on Safari on i-devices work appropriately?
>
> On Firefox in Android, when you attempt to zoom on a tiddler the words go 
> off the end of the screen. Very annoying and not how it works on the 
> desktop. Fortunately, it works correctly on andtidwiki.
>
> One of the advantages of epub readers (at least on Android) is that you 
> can easily change font size and color and even set up night reading 
> environments. To use TW as a complete epub substitute, it seems like you 
> would need some way to easily swap themes to accommodate the user's 
> environment.
>
>
> Mark
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 10:57:19 PM UTC-8, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> (*First time Group Poster, 7 years TW user and fan.*)
>>
>> *THE SHORT VERSION *:
>> I need assistance in creating a TW5 file that is an alternative to eBook 
>> format - that is 
>>
>>- Non-editable by the reader
>>- Without the sidebar ( as navigation is / will be - via tags & links 
>>in each tiddler (chapter)  and "close tiddler button" at the base of the 
>>long pages.)
>>- and no access to backend
>>
>> If anyone can assist we'd be very grateful - and as I have had trouble 
>> finding anything online that espouses the greatness of TW5 as a likely 
>> BETTER alternative to eBooks in other formats ( and provides a guide to 
>> achieving the uneditable standalone version ) - I would love to promote the 
>> socks off tiddlywiki's benefits. I have over 400K social followers over 
>> various accounts- the biggest following a few have caught up with me 
>> recently on : twitter @magillamax
>>
>>
>> *Background to this request :*
>>
>> My wife and I have just finished a very large tome (7MB) called 
>> "Spiritual Quest" ("SQ") which we have recently issued to 40+ people to 
>> review before taking it live.
>> Created as an EPUB - it amazed me how many had trouble downloading it - 
>> then opening in an ePub reader - usually iBooks.
>> After getting frustrated at their ineptness - I looked at myself and 
>> figured that "I" must make the book more accessible.
>>
>> I quickly created a TW

[tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 7:54:48 PM UTC+11, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 7:57:19 AM UTC+1, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> (*First time Group Poster, 7 years TW user and fan.*)
>>
>> *THE SHORT VERSION *:
>> I need assistance in creating a TW5 file that is an alternative to eBook 
>> format - that is 
>>
>>- Non-editable by the reader
>>- Without the sidebar ( as navigation is / will be - via tags & links 
>>in each tiddler (chapter)  and "close tiddler button" at the base of the 
>>long pages.)
>>- and no access to backend
>>
>> Have a look at http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>


Hi Ton !!
I have read through the basics and shall attempt to get that in place 
tomorrow night when I have a kid-less house. I want to deliver a "white" 
theme - the current TW5 standard works fine - so, I guess it's best to just 
map the settings for both then apply the former. If I have any questions - 
can I shoot them back to you ? 

with many thanks - John Newell ( Yarra Valley, Australia )

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[tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

If you do have something  - I would be grateful to see what it is I 
shall keep you updated - this goes live soon enough - all is written it's 
now just settings and copying the content - would appreciate feedback on 
how it looks ( and the content, too - if you like )
cheers
John 

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 8:03:10 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> A while ago I was experimenting with this idea but I didn't get too far 
> with it. If I can find where I put what I made I will share it.
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

Excellent - looks like that can get the job done - hides all that I want 
"hidden"
I shall work with that and see how this pans out ..

There were a couple of other issues - such as code for the Close Tiddler 
button - but got help the most primo of sources !
anything else needed - I will identify and add to this post
otherwise - all good and will post link to the TW5 ebook ( seriously - 
SO much better than epub ! )

hugely appreciated.
JN

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 7:54:48 PM UTC+11, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 7:57:19 AM UTC+1, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> (*First time Group Poster, 7 years TW user and fan.*)
>>
>> *THE SHORT VERSION *:
>> I need assistance in creating a TW5 file that is an alternative to eBook 
>> format - that is 
>>
>>- Non-editable by the reader
>>- Without the sidebar ( as navigation is / will be - via tags & links 
>>in each tiddler (chapter)  and "close tiddler button" at the base of the 
>>long pages.)
>>- and no access to backend
>>
>> Have a look at http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>

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[tw] TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

(*First time Group Poster, 7 years TW user and fan.*)

*THE SHORT VERSION *:
I need assistance in creating a TW5 file that is an alternative to eBook 
format - that is 

   - Non-editable by the reader
   - Without the sidebar ( as navigation is / will be - via tags & links in 
   each tiddler (chapter)  and "close tiddler button" at the base of the long 
   pages.)
   - and no access to backend
   
If anyone can assist we'd be very grateful - and as I have had trouble 
finding anything online that espouses the greatness of TW5 as a likely 
BETTER alternative to eBooks in other formats - would love to promote the 
socks off tiddlywiki's benefits. I have over 400K as social followers - the 
biggest following a few have caught up with me recently on twitter 
@magillamax


*Background to this request :*

My wife and I have just finished a very large tome (7MB) called "Spiritual 
Quest" ("SQ") which we have recently issued to 40+ people to review before 
taking it live.
Created as an EPUB - it amazed me how many had trouble downloading it - 
then opening in an ePub reader - usually iBooks.
After getting frustrated at their ineptness - I looked at myself and 
figured that "I" must make the book more accessible.

I quickly created a TW5 version - uploaded to dropbox - and emailed it to 
22 ppl with a direct link to the TW5 within dropbox.
Most had dropbox and opened it immediately _ voilà !! 

I also provided to each a quick guide to Adding the SQ Tiddlywiki file to 
"Reading list"
In TW5 it renders (significantly) better, is more efficient in use of 
space, cleaner, easier to edit, changing Settings to Airplane Mode and then 
opening up perfectly in Safari - all good ---
( and TW5 is always a "snack" to edit and add to )

thanks in advance - and I'll keep future comm's less wordy.. JN




*Tiddlywiki has revolutionized my management of client information, 
registrations, content, invoices etc ( especially with the advent of {{ }} 
transclusions)I have also used it for VERY effective management and 
tracking a recent (narrative) book.I love what TW5 can do, and use it 
daily. However I am very cautious going into the deeper coding.*


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