Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: O...I rather like the way you put that, Terry! Thanx for contributing to the discussion. Terry Clifton wrote: Let me throw my two cents worth in here guys. A Christian is one who is not only willing to die for Christ. A Christian is also willing to live for Christ,

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
ShieldsFamily wrote: Jt, also I have learned that when a certain mormon fellow (to remain unnamed) asks us to define anything it is to get us squabbling about definitions amongst ourselves; DAVEH: ??? Are you suggesting I'm the author of confusion in this Forum? While

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
David Miller wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: ... some tend to want to take a very narrow view in an effort to exclude others from their club, so to speak. I am rather amused that most of those wishing to adopt a very strict definition are usually unwilling to share that definition.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: Hello Dave Please explain.You left me out in the cold on this one. How are the Qoutes from the Prophets and General Authorities out of CONTEXT? I just don't see it maybe you could help me. Please provide exampleS DAVEH: Here is a quote... This Church is

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
Slade Henson wrote: Sorry, Dave, but we don't celebrate Christmas. The next Holy day coming up is Passoverwould you like to attend our family Seder? DAVEH: H.That is tempting, Kay. Would you like me to bring a Kosher ham? ;-) Kay DAVEH: Though I

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
I get ridiculed no matter what I say John so - No worries! I'm just praisin' the Lord and feeding on His Word. If G prefers Calvin's words and wants to be conformed to Calvin's image rather than Christs, what can I say?. It's his God given choice - and we do become like our teacher. jt On

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
A whole bunch of people will be saved via the gracious consideration of the Lord. A whole bunch more will be lost, choosing to serve the created rather than the Creator. JD Which is S-I-N. Izzy I had Romans 1:25 in mind. What had you in mind? JD That works. We are the

RE: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:49 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye? In a message dated 1/14/2005 8:19:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:53 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! In a message dated 1/14/2005 8:28:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:54 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? In a message dated 1/14/2005 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:55 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! In a message dated 1/14/2005 8:35:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:14 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? In a message dated 1/14/2005 9:21:00 PM

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Well, don't you want ALL of the TT'ers to show up??? :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:22 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2 DAVEH:

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Id say your definition of a mormon is definitely NOT the same definition of who is a true Christian. DAVEH: I'm not sure why would you expect it to be so. I didnt. Thanks, DaveH. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:40:56 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD: We are saved by grace throught faith apart from our working of the Law. Our/His faith is reckoned as if it were personal righteousness--and we are saved, in part,because of that consideration on

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy in blue: Yes and thanks. Wouldn't you say that salvation by grace through faith has always been the will of the Lord? If what we see as Divine Projections (such as Christ dying for our sins at a certain time) is, in fact, God's reality, then salvation based upon the condition of the

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade, I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary mannershis words are always loving. However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? DAVEH: Are you serious..Do you really believe I'm evangelizing on TT, Izzy? Yes, if the opportunity

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
ShieldsFamily wrote: Jt, also I have learned that when a certain mormon fellow (to remain unnamed) asks us to define anything it is to get us squabbling about definitions amongst ourselves; DAVEH: ??? Are you suggesting I'm the author of confusion in this Forum? While I may wish I

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
JD: We are saved by grace throught faith apart from our working of the Law. Our/His faith is reckoned as if it were personal righteousness--and we are saved, in part,because of that consideration on the part of God.Few - many? Well, I believe scripture, Linda.A whole bunch of

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
JD writes: Wouldn't you say that salvation by grace through faith has always been the will of the Lord? jt: My belief is thatGod would have preferred for Adam to have stayed "in His image" and fellowshipped with Him in the garden daily but since that didn't happen, he went to Plan B. If

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Ahturkey ham...GREAT! :) I'm not one for matzah ball soup, but I can make it. We usually have lamb, matzah ball soup, salmon, and other items...it's a feast for sure... Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Debbie Sawczak
DAVEH: Most of the early members of the LDS Church were Protestants, so they did have a Protestant flavor, so to speak. But we don't view that as being the same as the Church being Protestant. We weren't protesting the RCC folks as such. [Debbie]Iwas always taught at home that we weren't

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
They weren't saved by obeying the Mosaic law, Judy. They were saved by FAITH. The same way as usFAITH. No one was EVER saved by obeying the law, nor will anyone ever BE. The law is simply God's rules for His people...or those who claim to be His people...on how they should live a Holy

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Debbie Sawczak
[Debbie]Wow, John, this post of yours gave me goosebumps. Imagine this; God creates mankind. He wants this creation to love Him, to seek Him out, to prefer Him. And He accomplishes this by seeking us out, walking in the garden, talking to Abraham -- planning his future, making a military

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Debbie Sawczak
[Debbie] BTW, the rest of my response to John's post is at the bottom. In case people didn't scroll down all the way the first time. -Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:39 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject:

[TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
If you don't mind, I'll do the David Miller thing and start a thread based upon someone else's writing Judy Taylor, who really should have been resting her weary bones in bed,said the following on Friday, 14 January, 2005 01.53 ...you have your own private interpretation... What,

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:15:27 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They weren't saved by obeying the Mosaic law, Judy. They were saved by FAITH. The same way as usFAITH. No one was EVER saved by obeying the law, nor will anyone ever BE. The law is simply God's rules

Re: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
If you will send me my quote in the balance and context I wrote it in Slade- I will be glad to oblige. judyt On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:45:43 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you don't mind, I'll do the David Miller thing and start a thread based upon someone else's

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Perhaps you should allow Christ in your OWN life so that JUDY can be conformed to His Image. I am tired of your consistently demeaning posts. This is not Christlike behavior. Leave your piss and vinegar elsewhere please. Messiah never behaved like you are with people ho were genuinely

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: 'sacrifices' are repeated efforts implicitly imperfect.. however, that such efforts are 'not perfect' does not equate literarily to 'totally ineffectual' Judy wrote: Have it your way G Gary does have a point here, Judy. You both do. As you point out, Heb. 9:9 says that the

[TruthTalk] TruthTalk Conference hosted by Dave Hansen?

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
DAVEH wrote: HeyI vote for the Great Northwest If you all want to come to Oregon, I'll host it! :-) If you are serious, Dave,I am interested in exploring this idea. Is anybody else interested? Peace be with you.David Miller.

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Slade, my heart is not to demean anyone and I don't know what you mean by "piss and vinegar" as this term is not in my vocabulary. Please explain to mehow scripture and history demeans people. Are you thinking thatMessiah maybe softened things up a little to keep from hurting people's

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
They didn't exercise their faith by keeping the law. They exercised their LOVE for God and their obedience to Him by obeying the law. Christ Himself obeyed the law. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
ShieldsFamily wrote: Slade, I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary mannershis words are always loving. However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? DAVEH: Are you serious..Do you really believe I'm evangelizing on TT, Izzy?

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk Conference hosted by Dave Hansen?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Not in going to Oregon with five small children. WAY too far. It's over 3,000 miles. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 10.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: Sadly, some people will say that the saints in the Older Testament exercised their faith by keeping the Mosaic Law while we [the Renewed Covenant saints] exercise ours by obedience to Christ I think you have to be careful not to project your approach to the law as being the same

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Main Entry: piss and vinegar Part of Speech: noun Definition: vigor and aggressive energy Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 10.07To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
ShieldsFamily wrote: Well, don't you want ALL of the TT'ers to show up??? :-) Izzy DAVEH: Sure I do, Izzy. But I prefer they join in the feast, rather than make me the sacrificial lamb! :-) DAVEH: HThat's an interesting idea, Blaine. But..I suppose if we did

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk Conference hosted by Dave Hansen?

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Hmmm..Let me run it by my wife. I originally suggested it as a joke, but might be viable. The main problem is that we are hardly centrally located! BTWI almost missed this one, as it got inadvertently filtered into my SPAM folder! As far as I know, that's the first

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Thanks for taking the time to send the definition Kay; so Slade wants me to leave my vigor and aggressive energy elsewhere? Would he rather I were "lukewarm or cold?" How is it so unmerciful to deal withthe truth? On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:27:37 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
One of the most consistently frustrating things about Christians is that we seem far more keen on making sure everyone around us is properly beat over the head with the truth, often with bile and anger, than in living out the life exemplified by Christ, with mercy and love. Look at the

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: The Spirit and Word work simultaneously which is what we see in Acts and all of the Epistles so we would need more than John 6:44 to construct a wooing doctrine. I agree that the Spirit and the Word work simultaneously, but many people have recognized that they were prepared to

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Well Kay, as you say we see things very differently because I can read Hebrews 11 which is the faith Chapter and find all of the Patriarchsin it including Moses ie "By faith Moses when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharoah's daughter choosing rather to suffer

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth (my studies involve/d Calvin and Luthers' perceptions of Christ himself;thematerial implication of jt's perspective, below,is rootd in self servgcult ideology) On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 06:00:40 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [(If)] G prefers Calvin's words and wants to

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth (head and heart) On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:06:30 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my heart is not to demean anyone

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 3:06:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I get ridiculed no matter what I say John so This is not the case, Judy -- at least not by me or Bill -- two of your favoite digs. When we come back on you, it is simply out of frustration with your harang.

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 4:26:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That works. We are the created in that case. We are serving ourselves; not God. That is sin. Izzy There you go. J

Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 4:29:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Keep in mind I havent (and never will) stoop to calling someone a prick or an idiot. You can smear me all you want, JD, but Im not down to that level. Why dont you get off my back? Does it make you feel

[TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Within the last few days, several have taken it upon themselves to communicate through the use of vile language. I realize that people have different ideas of right and wrong when it comes to language. Nevertheless, being that this is a discussion list that has some individuals on it who do

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Kay, Kay (to DaveH): Why not? Aren't you Mormon? Who better to ask than a Mormon. I would think you would know what you believe or don't believe, etc. way better than I would. Kay, there is a dynamic at play when Mormons speak, of which you might not be aware, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth [neither of you are more interestd than, e.g., John Calvin in Christ; e.g., in your era neither of you demonstrateanymeasurable positive influence on your owntown let alone upon unknown nations in the eras to come; however, you both reflecthigh degrees of contemporary holier than

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 4:50:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reread this and see if there might be anything in it you would change if you were speaking to Christ, Himself. J Are you equating the two? Jesus sees perfectly fine. Izzy Have it yoour way, Linda.

Re: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
'myth' ain't vile?? On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:33:19 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Within the last few days, several have taken it upon themselves to communicate through the use of vile language. || [']bullshit[']

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
I really think the post below is as well written as I can put it. No need for me to respond. Either you have a heart for that message or you don't JD In a message dated 1/15/2005 4:50:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy in blue: Yes and thanks. Wouldn't you say that

RE: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Your post (that you could have remembered writingeasier than me retrieving it)is attached to this email. So we don't begin with a rabbit trail,What is your definition of Private Interpretation. From: Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 09.52Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Private

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Thank you for stating your opinion. slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 10.28 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Slade wrote: Sadly, some

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 5:27:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: What does "saved by grace through faith" look like? Abraham is given as our example of one who had saving faith the kind that is reckoned as righteousness - but Abraham also passed the ultimate test.

[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Gary wrote:'sacrifices' are repeated efforts implicitly imperfect..however, that such efforts are 'not perfect' does not equate literarily to 'totally ineffectual' Judy wrote:Have it your way "G" Gary does have a point here, Judy. You both do. As you

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: ... so little interest in God's Word. DavidM: You are quite right about this. Gary wrote: myth [neither of you are more interestd than, e.g., John Calvin in Christ; You yanked our comments out of context. I did not have Calvin in mind. I had some of the people on this list in

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:52:55 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I never have said thatsay they were 'totally ineffectual' or 'worthless' myth (what's pt A?) v jtwrites (~Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:29:59 -0500): || [A.] the blood of bulls and goats could do nothing

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth (Calvin was merely an example in my post--re-fuelgand embellishing jt's cultic ignorance in your postsis not a gift of the HS) On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:02:31 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You yanked our comments out of context.

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: I don't understand most of what Gary writes and don't see the need for this one since I never have said that say they were 'totally ineffectual' or 'worthless' God told Moses to do it and He set that system up for a reason. Gary reads things into my posts that I don't say ...

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
I think this may be the first part of a couple of posts. I've got to get to work on my Talmud paper. (Oops... did I say a bad word??) Contrary to popular belief, not all sacrifices were for the individual to get right with G-d. Neither did the sacrifices "cover" sin. Even in the Newer

Re: [TruthTalk] Ye are gods

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I just want to acknowledge your post, DavidM. I do appreciate hearing your perspective on this. While your argument does make sense, how do you explain that judges would have been originally construed to be gods? Why not just leave it as judges, or perhaps use another word? (I think

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
If you don't understand most of what Gary says, how can you accuse him of reading things into your posts? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 11.53To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
The original post is an object lesson in"private interpretation" God's Word clearly and plainly says: "SIN IS LAWLESSNESS" (1 John 3:4) John says it's not and tells me that I don't have a clue as to the practice of lawlessness so here is a contradiction. I choose to believeGod's Word and

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
THANK YOU, JD! Neither is there a PlanC (Moses) nor a Plan D (Jesus). -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 12.03To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 4:34:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Soo, John got the word wrong? You have a grammatical reason for saying this? You have a reason at all for saying this? Seriously. I see no reason for the need on your part to 1) disagree with what

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Jeff Powers
jeff in red - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! Thanks for taking the time to send the definition Kay; so

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
I disagree with all of your opinions as well as the taboo nature of the idiom piss an vinegar. However, I agree with the Biblical quote you gave of 1 Cor 8:9. This is the only opinion you stated that supports the restraint of certain words and phrases. -- slade -Original Message- From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Welcome to TT, Greg. It's nice to hear somebody using an apocryphal source!;-) Gregory A. Hession J.D. wrote: The entire book of Jamesis -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Gary scripture says it, it is not my personal opinion... Hebrews 9:9 Which was a fiture for the time then present in which wee offered both gifts and sacrifices "that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience" On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:04:31 -0700

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
God had already experienced rebellion with the angels ie Lucifer and 1/3 of them fell; anytime you create something with a free will this is the chance you take and apparently God was willing to do it again in spite of knowing the outcome beforehand. jht On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:02:57 EST

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Jeff Powers
Well Judy, I just said that you were mean. your first response to Greg is exactly what I meant. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:21 Subject: Re:

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Actually, I didn't say (or write) the word you quote below, which I know is a quote from David M. K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 11.42To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Thanks for your 2 cents Jeff, I'll have to pray about learning from your example. Grace and Peace, Judy jeff in red From: Judy Taylor Thanks for taking the time to send the definition Kay; so Slade wants me to leave my vigor and aggressive energy elsewhere? Would he

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
I confess that I don't read most of them because they are incomprehensible but when I do or when he is quoted such as 'below' this hasbeen so? jht On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:15:22 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you don't understand most of what Gary says, how can you

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth whilemissg the point of scripturerefusgvalid guidance On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:27:36 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary scripture says it, it is not my personal opinion... Hebrews 9:9 Which was a fiture for the time then present in which wee offered both gifts

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
when was it--what is 'experience'? On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:21:41 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God had already experienced rebellion

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Where does it say that 1/3 of the angels fell? -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 12.22Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology God had already experienced rebellion with the angels ie Lucifer and 1/3 of them

RE: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Are you saying that you were not alluding to 2 Peter 1:20? If you were alluding to it, please define what you believe the passage refers to. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January,

Re: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
interestG On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:35:47 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, I didn't say (or write) the word you quote below, which I know is a quote from David M. K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth ('speech' is v revealing) On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:29:52 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't read most of them because they are incomprehensible

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth (who wouldvalue Jeff's while disparaging John Calvin's?) On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:33:54 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for your 2 cents Jeff, I'll have to pray about learning from your example. Grace and Peace, Judy jeff in red ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Yes I did allude to 2 Peter 1:20 because my belief is that "all scripture is given by inspiration of God" so this would include 1 John 3:4 On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:46:17 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you saying that you were not alluding to 2 Peter 1:20? If you

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Revelation 12:4 On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:43:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where does it say that 1/3 of the angels fell? -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 12.22Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional

Re: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread Jeff Powers
Piss and Vinegar? come on David are you really that much of an uptight prude? Maybe you should visit the brick testament! http://thebricktestament.com Jeff Life makes warriors of us all. To emerge the victors, we must arm ourselves with the most potent of weapons. That weapon is prayer.

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
I like this post. However, Milton may have written good poetry, but wasn't he unusually cruel/abusive to his daughters? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 11.35To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
perhaps..but where did theobservation originate? On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:59:37 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like this post. However, Milton may have written good poetry, but wasn't he unusually cruel/abusive to his daughters? -- slade -Original

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
And his tail sweeps awaya third of the stars of heavenand throws them to the earth.And the dragon stood before the womanwho was about to give birth,so that when she gave birthhe might devour her child. (Revelation 12:4) Again, I ask Where does it say 1/3 of the angels fell?

RE: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Great. How does one interpret privately and how does one do it correctly? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 12.53To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc:

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Where did the cruelty originate? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 13.09To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! perhaps..but where did

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth (God's truth is germane to human 'wisdom') On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:58:15 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People are abandoning God's truth to embrace human "wisdom."

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: From my LDS perspective, I would say so. How do you see it, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: DaveH Question was Abraham a Christian? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Right there Slade, if you don't have time to stop your talmud studies and search this out thenpray and ask the Lord about it later.. jht. On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:11:54 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And his tail sweeps awaya third of the stars of heavenand throws

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
no, whr did the 'observation' originate..from whom originally..when..why..if you want to, think about it and post usa trail to wander:) On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:16:13 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where did the cruelty originate? -Original Message-From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
not literal stars?? interestG On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:22:17 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a third of the stars of heaven

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-01-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, But when LDS use it, they mean 2 gods and a spirit. DAVEH: That is a bit misleading, Perry. We also consider the HS to be a God, though one without a physical body. Okay, the LDS interpret the Godhead as 3 separate gods...sorry to mislead you! And, if you are a woman, you do not get

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Why Prophets?

2005-01-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, how many prophets have there been, Joseph Smith to today, and how many of them, other than Joseph Smith, have received revelation directly from the LDS god? Those would be found in the DC, right? Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To:

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Exactly what I thought. It doesn't. I wasn't asking for an allusion. slade P.S Your lack of love continues to shine through with EACH of your posts. Congrats. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15

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