[TruthTalk] TT Double Standard

2005-12-14 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I don't think you understand the nature of my posts, Perry. I'm not talking about your sexual experiences. I'm talking about Christian hypocrisy and the double standard as practiced on TT. Is the double standard on TT not a fair topic? Why should I have to discuss that matter offline?

Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **

2005-12-14 Thread Dave Hansen
Dave, lets take this offline, okay? DAVEH: Why take it offline, Perry? When you and Kevin chide Mormons for not wanting to discuss Temple things online, you seem to recognize no level of respect for my sacred beliefs. Now you make what I have considered to be your sexually charged

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Terry:I believe that YOU FAIL THE LEAST ON THIS. You raised an important point when speaking of not knowing one's self. IMO, those who believe themselves to be WITHOUT SIN do not! - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December

Re: [TruthTalk]

2005-12-14 Thread Taylor
Am I misunderstanding you: do you find something appalling and anti-Semitic in John's synopsis? Bill -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgDate: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:26

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Taylor
Thanks Terry. Well stated and very insightful. Thanks for the honesty check. Bill -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgDate: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:21 PMSubject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
This is quite rich coming from one who consistently maintains that noone can know anything anyway. I guess you are the only one around here with a valid opinion now Lance (according to you that is) and from what I read you don't believe there is any such thing as "objective truth" anyway so

Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Tel him about the PRICE paid in the Garden Dave.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cross, to the Christian, is a reminder of the tremendous price that Jesus paidDAVEH: Which price is torturous pain, suffering and death. That is exactly what the cross represents, is that not correct

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/13/2005 6:00:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Hmmm, JD is right, denigrating the symbols of another's religious beliefs was wrong. I apologize--apparently I offended JD, although I did so unthinkingly and

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
LOLhave you quit beating your wife?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You OFFEND Jesus ChristDAVEH: Do you suppose the same could be said of those idolizing crosses?Kevin Deegan wrote: You OFFEND Jesus ChristI almost thought you were serious in your Apology tillNow, if I

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
So you find it WEIRD too Do you hate the cross also?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *EXACTLY what he finds weird.*DAVEH: WWJD.Have you ever wondered if Jesus feels like..._/I will cling to the old rugged cross/_.again.ordo you think he wants to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
You can make up any sort of feelings you want but the scriptures already tell us Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.He despised the

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
those who believe themselves to be WITHOUT SIN Are there Christian perfectionists on TT?All those that are WITHOUT SIN raise your hands Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry:I believe that YOU FAIL THE LEAST ON THIS. You raised an important point when speaking of not knowing one's

Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **

2005-12-14 Thread Dean Moore
cd: It is my opinion that mormons are big crybabies-and I have no idea what you are refering to-as you accuse others of the very thing you yourself are doing. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/14/2005 2:03:00 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Kevin: Did you not know that there are CHRISTIAN PERFECTIONISTS on TT? They are three in number. I shan't ask them to identify themselves as that might exhibit pride and...well..you get it... - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
And let's add those who believe they are HONEST yet are only willing to see the other guys faults . On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:22:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: those who believe themselves to be WITHOUT SIN Are there Christian perfectionists on TT?All those that

[TruthTalk] MORMONS ON TT

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Why don't the moderator(s) (plural?) set up some sort of a code of conduct with respect to our mutual engagement? IMO, there exists a double standard with respect to them and us. We, or so it would appear, are entitled to SLANDER THEM (Mormons being the 'bad' guys) but, they are not able to

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Cats are out of the bag. It was just obvious from reading them, wasn't it? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 07:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes Gary Bill JD? WOW I never

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
No, Judy!! I lied!! There is but ONE, and, IT IS ME" There, I've said it and, I'm proud to have done so! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 07:33 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Judy:Speaking only for myself. My faults are ever before me. IFF they are ever before ME then, it follows that they are ever before the Lord and, even you. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Blaine what is all this Talk about PAYING for SINS in the GARDEN? And what is this great drops of Blood sweat thing have to do with Atonement?"The Savior ATONED for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Doesn't this make you one? For you must be W/O sin to cast this stoneLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin: Did you not know that there are CHRISTIAN PERFECTIONISTS on TT? They are three in number. I shan't ask them to identify themselves as that might exhibit pride and...well..you get

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
THE VICARIOUS HUMANITY OF CHRIST WOULD MOST ASSUREDLY INCLUDE THE GARDEN, kevin! - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 07:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement Blaine what is all this Talk

Re: [TruthTalk] TT Double Standard

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
We should make accusing each other personally a matter to be discussed offline. I find these constant accusations to be both discouraging and wearying - are we interested in Truth or not? Why give the enemy a platform to tear each other down. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:01:13 -0800 Dave Hansen

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
I've answered this in a subsequent post. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 07:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes Doesn't this make you one? For you must be W/O sin to cast this

Re: [TruthTalk] TT Double Standard

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
When you describe that which you say as THE TRUTH OF THE WORD OF GOD Judy, while that spoken by another as OTHER THAN the truth of the word of god, Judy then, you are doing the very thing that you speak of as 'both discouraging and wearying'. Would you not acknowledge this to be the case?

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH: Do you suppose the same could be said of those idolizing crosses? All these years on TT and we are just now learning how you really feel about the Cross. How can that be? Have you been shielding us from certain "Truths" because we are Not worthy nor Ready for the Meat of the word? Is it

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Terry Clifton
I see. Is this then the sin of the parents, or the world, or the parson with low esteem? How would this condition add to or subtract from one's ability to do what Jesus suggests in the sermon on the mount? I am too lazy to look it up but it seems to me that He came to town meek and lowly,

Re: [TruthTalk] MORMONS ON TT

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
You are entitled to your OPINION Since "WE" slandered them Why don't "YOU" Apologize?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't the moderator(s) (plural?) set up some sort of a code of conduct with respect to our mutual engagement? IMO, there exists a double standard with respect to

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Terry Clifton
In a national cemetery, Dave, you will see the cross over those who claimed to be Christians and a star of David over those who were Jewish. As I pointed out before, many people claim to be Christians who are not. They are wannabees who have the desire but not the faith. The cross does not

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
The WHAT?ROTFLLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE VICARIOUS HUMANITY OF CHRIST WOULD MOST ASSUREDLY INCLUDE THE GARDEN, kevin!- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 07:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden

Re: [TruthTalk] TT Double Standard

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
JUDY:Am I being unclear? (I often am). Let me take another run at it. On those occasions in which you indicate that you've CORRECTLY APPREHENDED THE MEANING OF GOD'S WORD(s) on given issue, do you not implicitly or explictly indicate that the one(s) with whom you are speaking do not?

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
There are two on TT who regularly write reflecting humility. I'm suspect of one of them but, that's because I don't, perhaps. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 08:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Please pick yourself up from the floor then, let me know that what I wrote is not understood by you, should this be the case. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 08:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread knpraise
If you think this to be little more than funny, you know no more about the old rugged cross than does our friend, Blaine. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WHAT? ROTFL Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
This list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all about your opinions orme. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:51:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me attempt something, Judy. WITH WHAT FREQUENCY THEN, DO YOU EXHIBIT THIS 'TRUE HIMILITY'? From: Judy Taylor True

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
YOUR OPINIONS re: the MEANING OF THE SCRIPTURES YOU CITE ARE WHAT, IMO, I AND OTHERS READ MOST OF THE TIME. I can live with that. Can you? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Terry Clifton
The unitythat is shared by these individuals is found in theirhigh regard for the Word and their commitment to a living Christ.those two considerations are bigger than all their differing theologies. Very well said, John. Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
But apparently it leaves us bereft in our own personal mess at least in your economy Lance since you are wanting to allude to and/or point out or at least have others confess their own sinon TT ... For what purpose? On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:49:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] MORMONS ON TT

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Some rarely rise above SILLY! Are you not cognizant of the fact that that's their perception as well? (Dean Charles included in this!) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 08:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
SOK, Judith, I have every confidence that you don't - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 08:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement Just what is the

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
I just checked out the definition of 'foolish'. B4 Torrance Kevin, it 'the vicarious humanity of Christ' was present throughout Scripture. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 08:38 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Possibly any or all of what you mention and yes it does keep one from wholeheartedly laying down their life for others and causesthe heart to be less than pure. I'm sure a lot of the behaviors you observed as a prison guard were the result of these kinds of issues. The enemyover the years

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Just what is the "direct question" Lance? I don't recall you ever being direct about anything. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:45:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW (not much, say many), you are as elusive as the Mormons when it comes to a direct replay to a direct question.

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
True humility Lance is saying what God says about a situation or subject; personal opinion, even while grovelling while saying it is inverted pride. When a preacher gets out there with a megaphone and accurately speaks the oracles of God .. that is true humility. Or of one speaks them to a

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Let me attempt something, Judy. WITH WHAT FREQUENCY THEN, DO YOU EXHIBIT THIS 'TRUE HIMILITY'? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 08:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
FWIW (not much, say many), you are as elusive as the Mormons when it comes to a direct replay to a direct question. 'Slip slidin' away' - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14,

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't agree but then I'm sure this is no news to you. When I cite scripture - you either receive it by faith as God's Word or you read it as a dead letter depending on what you have going on in your own heart. Truth is apprehended by faith whereas IMO you are more attuned to human reason.

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Where was this B4 Torrance? This explains a lot about your postmodern Psychiatry/Anthropology you call a "theology"Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE VICARIOUS HUMANITY OF CHRIST WOULD MOST ASSUREDLY INCLUDE THE GARDEN, kevin!- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan

[TruthTalk] Tozer says ......

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
"If God can be understood and comprehended by any of our humans means, then I cannot worship Him. One thing is sure. I will never bend my knees and say "Holy, holy, holy," to that which I have been able to decipher and figure out in my own mind!"

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
False theology is man centric it comes forth from man's thoughts man's experience and therefore naturally becomes Psych/Anthro True Theology is what has been revealed by the Mind of GodLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just checked out the definition of 'foolish'. B4 Torrance Kevin, it

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
God can always speak through His Word and it does not return void. On the other matter, as you already know, you, David and I see things somewhat differently. It may indeed be due to my own poor communication skills. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
This list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all about your opinions orme.OR Lance's opinions OF you and others! that is a different list called People talkJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all about your opinions orme.On Wed,

Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram

2005-12-14 Thread Dave Hansen
Tel him about the PRICE paid in the Garden Dave. DAVEH: It does seem to be a big one, considering it pained our Lord so much that he bled from every pore. Do you disagree, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: Tel him about the PRICE paid in the Garden Dave. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
You mean the old rugged torrance?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think this to be little more than funny, you know no more about the "old rugged cross" than does our friend, Blaine.jd-- Original message --From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The WHAT? ROTFL

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance, I honestly do not know what you see or what you believe other than the theologians you approve and a list of other professing Christianswho are orthodox and see things similarly. As for David, Kevin, Izzy, Terry, Dean et al. We may not get every detail exact but so far as I can tell

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Dave Hansen
But the fact remains that mormons don't like the cross DAVEH: I don't think you quite understand the LDS perspective, Dean. It is not a matter of us not liking the cross, but rather it is more an understanding of what the cross did to our beloved Savior. It is similar in a sense to the great

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Should I happen to cite the Matthean geneaology in support of some unrelated matter, it'd be GOD'S WORD TO BE SURE, JUDY BUTYou do attempt to connect the citation to the matter at hand, do you not? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] TT Double Standard

2005-12-14 Thread Dave Hansen
Is it good to be calling one another hypocrites and disrespecting the Moderator? Where do you think this kind ofattitudeleads?? DAVEH: The truth. Judy Taylor wrote: No Lance, I wouldn't acknowledge this to be the case because everything that is spoken on TT is not the Word

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
If you haven't noticed so far Lance, what good would it do me to try to explain at this late date? Guess this is why the prophets always said "Let him who has ears to hear." On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:00:39 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should I happen to cite the Matthean

Re: [TruthTalk] TT Double Standard

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't think so DaveH, the Truth is a person - who they hungon a tree for telling it like it is. So what is new under the sun? On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:07:54 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it good to be calling one another hypocrites and disrespecting the

[TruthTalk] THE TRUTH IS A PERSON

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Judy: Once again, Amen Amen! PS: The Person the book are not one and the same! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 10:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TT Double

Re: [TruthTalk] THE TRUTH IS A PERSON

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
PPS: Yes they are... Just as you and your word are one and the same. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:20:47 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy: Once again, Amen Amen! PS: The Person the book are not one and the same! From: Judy Taylor I don't think so DaveH,

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your person and, vice versa. Kevin et al do the same with the Mormons. I've asked you previously. I shall ask you once again. Is there a great gulf between who you are and what you say (believe)?

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Ignorance, thy name is Judy! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 10:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes You say the words Lance but your actions say

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your person No you wouldn't be because you don't know my person. What you are talking about is religious/racial bigotry which is a misnomer. It is possible to love the person and reject their belief.

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Actually ignorance is a form of knowledge And since God's Word is the wisdom that comes from above and you are the one with the human theological mediators ... I would say your observation is more true foryou Lance. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:37:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] THE TRUTH IS A PERSON

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
PPPSSS: Jesus is God the Word and the Bible is (our record of) His spoken Word and our present day measure of Truth. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:50:18 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PPSS:I was distinguishing between the Person of Christ and the Bible NOT the Person of Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
I will ponder such as I gaze out upon the waters The Sunset was quite beautiful last night over lake ErieLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OR YOUR OPINIONS OF BLAINE DAVEH THAT'S CALLED ANTI MORMONISM!! Come to think of it, Kevin, this so-called anti-Mormon kick you're on seems to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Congressional Medal of Honor--inverted pentagram

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
considering it pained our Lord so much that he bled from every poreYou force your Interpretation into the Plain meaning of the scriptures LU 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Dave Hansen [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
See, case in point, Lance's Semi Private "PEOPLE TALK" networkLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OR YOUR OPINIONS OF BLAINE DAVEH THAT'S CALLED ANTI MORMONISM!! Come to think of it, Kevin, this so-called anti-Mormon kick you're on seems to be about all you've got goin' for ya..-

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
rather it is more an understanding of what the cross did Is this from a PERSONAL REVELATION DH?The pain caused by the Lord as he was tortured on the cross however, was caused by his enemies. He bore our sins. By the Cross he RECONCILED His Enemies unto Himself. His enemies are not those

Re: [TruthTalk] Offence given offence taken - MORMONS??

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Let's take a vote whoever has the most votes has TRUTH!Or are you on your THEOLOGY of APOLOGY kick again?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perry, Dean, Kevin et al certainly GIVE offence vis a vis Mormonism. Do you, the Mormon contingent on TT, take offence at what's said by them?

Re: [TruthTalk] Offence given offence taken - MORMONS??

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Kevin, this so-called anti-Mormon kick you're on seems to be about all you've got goin' for ya..Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perry, Dean, Kevin et al certainly GIVE offence vis a vis Mormonism. Do you, the Mormon contingent on TT, take offence at what's said by them? Yahoo!

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
You wear your beliefs on your sleve!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your personNo you wouldn't be because you don't know my person. What you are talking about is religious/racial bigotry which

RE: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Youll have to ask the LordHe hasnt convicted me of anything on my last 20 posts as yet. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your personOK so we should not criticize beliefs. But criticizing the person is OK in your book Good ol Self Refutin Lance...Kevin, this so-called anti-Mormon kick you're on seems to be about all

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
I, for one, have no difficulty at all criticizing the'deceived' as you put it, Judy. The difficulty is that some who are, in reality deceived, believe themselves to be 'in the truth' do they not? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Every deceived person believes themselves to be "in the truth" Deceived people don't know they are deceived - this is the nature of the beast. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:43:47 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I, for one, have no difficulty at all criticizing the'deceived' as

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
That, Judy, is what I've been attempting to say, apparently with minimal success. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 13:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Funny thing, Judy, I've always though of you as your own 'FANCY THEOLOGIAN'. Over time one cannot but note that others have thought similarly. The 'Judy theology' is generally well researched and, on the whole, readable. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread knpraise
Actually ignorance is a form of knowledge I have thought all along that this was a viable definition for some of you on the far right. now, at long last, it is confirmed. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually ignorance is a form of

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Then it is past time to do some more figuring Lance because you have missed the boat so to speak. I am not about trying to explain God which is the Church Father/theologian forte. If He does not illumine His Word to you - then there is nothing I could say or do that would help. Hey out

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread knpraise
No -- my comcast connection must be doing it. I noticed this morning a post that was sent three times. I figure it is Deegan's demon spirit indwelling my computer -- No? jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD why do I get two (2) of everything

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
And why are you deliberately trying to tweak Linda? She is a godly woman and It's time to 'get a life' JD. Opinions are out, well thought out discussion ideas and/or personal anecdotes are in along with godly speech that will edify and encourage those who read you ... Are you up to the

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
If any demon spirit is indwelling you or your computer it is there because you permit it JD. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:01:29 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No -- my comcast connection must be doing it. I noticed this morning a post that was sent three times. I figure it is Deegan's

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread knpraise
Actually, Judy, it is very much the other way around, or is this yet another case of you speaking about that of which you know nothing. Might try reading Shields posted insult and then look for her follow-up explanation (hint: it ain't there). jd -- Original message --

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread knpraise
I sent it to your computer. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any demon spirit is indwelling you or your computer it is there because you permit it JD. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:01:29 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No -- my comcast

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
check again JD - it is still working with you and yours.. No problem here!! On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:16:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I sent it to your computer. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any demon spirit is indwelling you or your computer it is

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread knpraise
this is a second posting from you. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any demon spirit is indwelling you or your computer it is there because you permit it JD. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:01:29 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No -- my comcast

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-14 Thread knpraise
Appreciated. -- Original message -- From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] The unitythat is shared by these individuals is found in theirhigh regard for the Word and their commitment to a living Christ.those two considerations are bigger than all their differing

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Lance, Do you believe yourself to be "in the truth"?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I, for one, have no difficulty at all criticizing the'deceived' as you put it, Judy. The difficulty is that some who are, in reality deceived, believe themselves to be 'in the truth' do they not?-

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
Is this a trick question, Deegan? After John connecting you with demons in his computer, I find myself somewhat cautious in responding to such as yourself. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 16:07

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
In computers they are daemons[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:No -- my comcast connection must be doing it. I noticed this morning a post that was sent three times. I figure it is Deegan's demon spirit indwelling my computer -- No?jd-- Original message -- From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
testing 1 2 3 testingJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check again JD - it is still working with you and yours.. No problem here!!On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:16:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I sent it to your computer. jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any

Re: [TruthTalk] TT Double Standard

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh, here is one I missed, 1. Yes most of the time I find your writings to be unclear rather than plain Lance 2. No I don't imply anything, I figure those whowalk after the Spiritunderstand God's Word. 3. This accusation is uncalled for Lance because what I addressed was personal accusations

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
How ironic Lance; you are constantly asking me these kinds of questions. So why are they suspect when they come your way? On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:10:33 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is this a trick question, Deegan? After John connecting you with demons in his computer, I

Re: [TruthTalk] TT Double Standard

2005-12-14 Thread Lance Muir
No accusation here, Judy. This is a simple statement of objective truth.You are forever denigrating persons both on and off TT. You call it speaking the truth when so doing. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc:

Re: [TruthTalk] TT Double Standard

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
You are reading with the help of the powers of darkness Lance. I do not denigrate people. This is an unfounded and evil accusation. On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:40:39 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No accusation here, Judy. This is a simple statement of objective truth.You are

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Is everything you write to TT a joke Lance? On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:43:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nothing ironic here, Judy. I was havin' a little fun with Kevin. Is 'fun' a secular work or, may it contain a 'spiritual component'? I opt for the latter.

Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Taylor
As for fun having a spiritual component - of course, all of it does; the question is - What spirit On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:43:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nothing ironic here, Judy. I was havin' a little fun with Kevin. Is 'fun' a secular work or, may it contain

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