Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
You make some good points, DH. What do you know fo James White's presentations -- respectful ? He is one busy hombre, that's for sure. jd -- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] free speech has limitations. We recognize that.DAVEH: Really! Who

Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-02-01 Thread Dave Hansen
What do you know fo James White's presentations -- respectful ? DAVEH: I really don't know anything about him. Wish I could have heard his comments in real time to get the context and mood of what he said. I suspect he did show some respect though. Had he not, there is no way he would have

Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-02-01 Thread Dave Hansen
they already sent their best debaters out but they didn't stay around long:-) had James White for breakfast and didn't break a sweat:-) DAVEH: Perhaps they (the debaters ) wanted to go inside to listen to what James White had to say. :-) Dean Moore wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Taylor
Yes, please don't. When words have no meaning, there's not much sense in using them. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Correction: "morally righteous" should read "morally SELF righteous". To Dean:If Debbie has nothing to teach you (and David who condemned her) through her rather perceptive post then, you, along with TT's assembled pharisees (Judy, DM, DH) had just better brighten the (street) corner where

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perceptive post Lance? Give me a break! You ppl are so into opinions ... Morality is a thing to be desired so why malign this also by adding the "self" like you know something that nobody else is aware of. You've not even heard the first one of them preaching on the street have you? To JD ..

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Taylor
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Christ is not the literal seed of David's genitals Bill and by your insistance

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Taylor
The only knowledge of Christ available to us is that which comes by way of the Holy Spirit. To blaspheme Christ in this age is to blaspheme his Spirit. "By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God." Bill - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Job is not alluding to what you are trying to say JD. You need to study what God has to say rather than trying to put words in His mouth like you do with the rest of us constantly. Sin comes down generationally by way of the father. I understand Mary had a father also but that's just the way it

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why am I not surprised that you have a different teaching about this also Bill. Jesus Himself said the unforgivable sin was not against himself or the father. It was blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Nice little play on words there Bill. judyt

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No JD Billy T has not solved the conflict for you because "death reigned from Adam to Moses even for those who had not sinned" because they were "sinners" - they all died anyway.

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The rcc may have been and still are messed up Bill but they were not brazen enough to give Jesus a sin nature as you and other theologians have done in our generation. All this shows is that you know nothing about God's ways and are blind to sin, judgment, and righteousnes as well. judyt

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Taylor
You are correct, Judy. It was not the Catholic Church which gave Christ hisnature; that came by way of Adam; however, much like you, the Catholics have spent their credibility explaining it away. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
So are you saying that salvation is based upon philosophy and understanding? A person must properly understand and profess the right Christology in order to be saved? David M. p.s. I don't put down you, John. You confuse a put-down of ideas with who you are. Your ideas will change. You as

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 9:57:58 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 12:19:57 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech The question is this: what are YOU teaching, Dean? You failed to answer my questions. Here they are , once again: You make

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 1/31/2006 7:00:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean, do you think in school that Jesus never missed a question on a test in his whole life?

[TruthTalk] Philosophy, Understanding Christology

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
IFO would respond NO! IFO would supplement DM's implicit assertion along with his obvious change of heart vis a vis conduct.Christology matters as little as 'homo/lesbo lifestyle' matters; no more no less.I now begin to see why DM believes Mormons to be on an equal footing with any other

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
I don't hear Judy saying that a spirit taught her that the flesh of Jesus was not genetically related to his ancestors. If she did, then we could readily judge that this spirit is not of God and direct her to reject this spirit. I think Judy's perceptions come from her framework of

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Through God alone may God be known. - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 06:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation The only knowledge of Christ available to us is that which comes by

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 7:23:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? I am rethinking that as Christ said only God is good-I now find that one piece is sweeter than the other-but God

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
DM recants and, we all so appreciate it! He tells us that "I think Judy's perceptions come from her framework of understanding the Bible." I KNOW that DM has already put himself on an equal footing with JT'interpretation-wise' thus, the implicit recantation on DM's part. Amen David!

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 7:30:20 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation I love it. We can blasphemy the very nature of Christ but that is fine. Surely I am not the only one who

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Taylor
What Christ did in the temple made by hands, is symbolic of what he did in the temple of his body, driving out everything which stood in opposition to his Father's will. Bill - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: The shock and awe you all experienced with the use of the f'in word is the same dismay many feel when the word sodomite is used. The context, however, is much different. Homosexuals should be ashamed of the word sodomite. They should also be ashamed of the word Queer. However,

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 10:23:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? you wantthe what?? cd: To understand the Bible better than I do now-jeez G.. On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:01:57 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
David writes I affirm [Judy's] position about Christ's Divinity as much as I affirm Bill's position about his humanity. I'm just patient that she will, in time, understand. Bill wrote: David, I know you did not intend by your statement to imply that I affirm only Christ's humanity while

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 10:37:54 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation yo, Bro, calm down--DaveH cantake you a deeper level intothe "F" word thanDebbieever thought of--just ask him very politely forhis greater

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: David, Actually I am saying the same as Dean. I believe Jesus walked about in a flesh and blood body. I just don't accept that it was a fallen (under the Adamic curse) flesh and blood body which is what I am understanding the rest of you to be saying. Yes, Judy, we are

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Is 'jeez' on a par with the 'F' word, DM? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 07:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
'Home is the sailor, home from the sea. Yikes DM! Ya gonna trot this one out again? Don't kick a dead horse, DM. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 07:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND'

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: David, I don't see the immaculate conception and the assumption of Mary as divinely inspired ideas; both are the thinking of religious spirits through men of the cloth. I'm glad to hear that, but history tells us that those who embrace the premise which you have will be forced

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 11:20:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? David, Actually I am saying the same as Dean. I believe Jesus walked about in a flesh and blood body. I just don't accept

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 11:19:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? cdwrites: So I ask you How is one able to produce destruction for men while the other produces a quickening spirit for men? And

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 11:27:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? I'd have to disagree with every point made by Bill in his post about the two Adams; Bill you are totally into flesh and

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
IFO DO NOT HATE JUDY nor anyone else on TT. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 08:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
DM says of Judy, 'your interpretation'! As he placed himself alongside JT on the 'inspiration/illumination' thingy then, once again I commend him for recanting. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 08:06

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread Taylor
David wrote: In Judy, there are some additional concepts about the biological and spiritual contributions of fathers and mothers that also muddies the discourse. These must be dealt with one by one before she would be able to understand certain passages in the right way. Well, I'll leave that

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill are you aware that manipulation is sin? Backing a person into a corner with a "repent or fight" attitude has never been God's modus operandi although I do see it in the Crusades and Islam. You are wrong! My prayer for you is that you will eventually receive understanding from God, lay down

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dean, I don't think you are misreading; and I do think we are saying the same thing which is that Jesus did not come into this world with a heathen sin nature. Sin is not just an action. When we receive an occult thought and accept it as ours we are on our way to the action; the scriptures say

Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 11:47:58 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ Did I miss an introduction??!! Anyway -- the post below is spoken as well as a works salvationist can

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Taylor
You are still blending the natures of Christ, Dean. The result is mixing you up. The Divinity of Christ was in no way tainted by his humanity. As God and man, Christdefeated sin inhis own flesh, rendering it powerless in his resurrection from the grave. In the new birth we are born into his

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 12:50:58 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller' Judy, your very style of response is that of the scornful. It is what you are about. But be that as it

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-02-01 Thread ttxpress
yep--you should receive the bat from Minnesota soon--as soon as it's turned--let me know when it arrives what you think, etc.,and i'll cash the check thank you! On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:48:27 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: g, did you get my check? jd --

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: Christ is not the literal seed of David's genitals Bill and by your insistance that he is you have far more scripture to explain away than I do. Actually, Bill does not have to explain away any Scriptures at all. However, you have the problem of Acts 2:30. There are other

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
"STUDY HELPS??" Hello? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 08:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean, I don't think you are misreading; and I do think we are saying the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: What Christ did in the temple made by hands, is symbolic of what he did in the temple of his body, driving out everything which stood in opposition to his Father's will. Excellent point, Bill. Was Christ himself defiled for stepping into this Temple? No. He cleaned it up.

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
Dean wrote: Then how can can the Second Adam be the same as the first? He's not. Jesus was unique because of his spirit, not his flesh. Dean wrote: You guys are stating that Christ was no different than Hitler Not true. Dean wrote: but Hitler was the same as the first Adam exactly the

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Amen, David! - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 09:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean wrote: Then how can can the Second Adam be the same as the first? He's not. Jesus was

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Well said again, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 08:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Bill wrote: What Christ did in the temple made by hands, is symbolic of what he did

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
LOL. Lance, it is not recanting. You are just starting to understand me a little better. As I said before, all of us are engaged in the work of interpreting Scripture. However, some of us also receive revelation from time to time. That revelation is in part. None of us have the entire

Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Good on ya mate! - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 09:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy - Original Message - From: To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Stereotype, David? I have the greatest respect for you, your family and your ministry! I do have a little fun from time to time, David. . - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 09:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: ... I agree with your critique of my (our) approach. I backed Judy into a corner and presented her with only two options: either repent or FIGHT. My hope was that she would choose the former; of course, she did not. Hence the likelihood that I will be able to reach her at all is

Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 3:14:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy they already sent their best debaters out but they didn't stay around long:-)had James White for breakfast and didn't break

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
IMHO DM is quite correct on this point. (Spoken as a frequent offender) LM - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 09:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller' Bill wrote: ... I agree

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 5:56:25 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Correction: "morally righteous" should read "morally SELF righteous". To Dean:If Debbie has nothing to teach you (and David who

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
ROTFLOL! Do you think Judy understands your comment? David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? "STUDY HELPS??"

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Your arugment is with scripture. It is the Apsotle who proclaims "every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God...and is of the Anti-Christ" (I Jo 4:3). This is the same Apostle who writes "...the Spirit.. gives us understanding .. that we are in Him

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 8:02:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Is 'jeez' on a par with the 'F' word, DM? cd: :-) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-02-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, sounds like you'er still a little sore for getting booted off of TT for continuing a banned topic. Old news...move on. I also think your concept of free speech is a little twisted. Free speech laws apply in a public forum, but TT is not a public forum. It is a private discussion group. The

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 7:40:51 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation I don't hear Judy saying that a spirit taught her that the flesh of Jesus was not genetically related to his ancestors. If she

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Aaaa, another scripture that does not go to the discussion. The fact of the matter is this, in using that scripture I am illustrating the consideration that was the preveailing thought in Jewish thinking concerning what you call "the generational curse." That Christ was born of a woman made

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 8:37:04 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean, I don't think you are misreading; and I do think we are saying the same thing which is that Jesus did not come into

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
No conflict for me. Again, you are not reading posted messages -- just reacting to them. No point responding to comments that have nothing to do with what I wrote. :-) jd -- Original message -- From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] No JD Billy T has not solved

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
I am saying what John the Apostle is saying. Did I not make that clear? Jesus was (is) God in the flesh. Philosophy did not give this to me. Neither is this from my own understanding. It is John who proclaims that one is not of God on the occasion of denial of this reality. Maybe words and

Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Well said, Perry. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 09:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy Dave, sounds like you'er still a little sore for getting booted off

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
What does this mean: Your ideas will change. You as a person will not change? jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So are you saying that salvation is based upon philosophy and understanding? A person must properly understand and profess

Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: free speech has limitations. We recognize that. DAVEH: Really! Who determines those limitations? ... those things are determined by law. Yes, and the foundation of law is God, not whatever men decide the law should be. DaveH wrote: On the other hand, it seems that

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Could you make a line-item response, similar to what David does. For me to respond to you, specifically, and have you write something that is not responsive allows for endless debate. "Sinful nature" is not "sinning nature." I have a human nature that is given to sin. I can refuse to so act -

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
No hate, here. The point that Bill has brought into this discussion ala Acts 2:30 , the very point David is trying to get across to Judy is what Judy denies. There is no doubt about what is being said, here. One simply cannot understand the gopel message apart from the notion that Jesus Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
And are you aware that this is not the only reason for Bill's passion.? It is not sin to oppose a false doctrine. In fact, just the opposite is true. Nothing innately sinful about manipulation, Judy. You have no scripture on this and will never have. The fact is this - Jesus used manipulation

Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
cd: Works don't get one saved because we depends on the works of another even Jesus-but we are saved for a work-so you expect to receive a payday from God without working-this from a God who promotes non- laziness? What are you teaching john? Any "payday" given to us as a result of obedience is

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Cash the check before it is too late !!! King of sounds like "save yourself," doesn't it? Seriously, go ahead and put it in the bank. yf jd -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yep--you should receive the bat from Minnesota soon--as soon as it's

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
The union is hypostatical, i.e., is personal; the two natures are not mixed or confounded, and it is perpetual -- Original message -- From: "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are still blending the natures of Christ, Dean. The result is mixing you up. The Divinity of

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
David makes some good points, here, Dean. At some point in life, Hitler had a choice. at some point in time, Hitler was not the devil we know him to be. At some point in time, he was as innocent and impressionable as your children. If there ever was a contrast in response to our Adamic

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Hypothetical?? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 13:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? The union is hypostatical, i.e., is personal; the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Should I try your approach in my next counseling session? "O. !! Glad you folks were able to make it. My understanding is that you two queers have some sort of misgiving about the perception of others concerning your sodomizing way of life. Hopefully, at the end of this session, you two

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
I John 5:20 "-- Jesus is the true God." Making a distinction between "Lord" and "God" is to misunderstand exactly what Peter was saying when he pronounced Jesus as Lord and Messiah (Acts 2:36). Peter is saying that Christ is both God and Messiah !!! jd - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: What does this mean: Your ideas will change. You as a person will not change? What I mean is that you, your identity, who you are, will not change. However, your ideas will change. You are growing and maturing in your thoughts and viewpoints. Therefore, any challenge I might

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: Sinful nature is not sinning nature. Excellent point, John. A sinful nature provides a source of temptation, but it is not synonymous with the idea of a sinning nature, a nature that must sin despite whatever we think, say, or do. David Miller. -- Let your speech be

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
Dean wrote: Respectfully David -Judy has stated dozens of times that she believes Christ came in the flesh. Yet the group keeps denying she denying she said this. Why can't people hear her? We can't hear Judy when she says this because when we get down to discussing the details, we learn

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
What you actually do (how you live your life, the content of your character) IS what you believe. Other than this is abstract, theoretical and dualistic. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 14:07 Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
No, John, that won't work. You have to learn to shift gears to understand street preaching. I would never speak this way one on one. It only shuts the person down. In street preaching, however, we can redirect our speech toward others. We can bring out what the homosexuals are really

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 8:50:58 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David yep--you should receive the bat from Minnesota soon--as soon as it's turned--let me know when it arrives what you think,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Lance Muir
Ya know that baseball bat that's goin' from Colorado to California...well..send one to Florida will ya? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 01, 2006 14:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation No,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 9:39:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation Your arugment is with scripture. It is the Apsotle who proclaims "every spirit that does not confess that

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/1/2006 9:04:04 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean wrote: Then how can can the Second Adam be the same as the first? He's not. Jesus was unique because of his

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread David Miller
cd: Leave to a church of God member to being up Acts 2 :-) :-) Except, I'm not a church of God member, and haven't been since 1987. CD wrote: I think it is a good passage that I agree with David. Christ came from the loins of King David as God swore with an oath-and you point? The point

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
"..Jesus Christ came in the flesh .." The phrase is a declaration of the divinity of Christ. If He were not God on earth, Dean, OF COURSE HE CAME IN THE FLESH. Surely you do not believe that John is stating the obvious !! I came in the flesh. You have - Judy has. No, this is a statement that

Re: [TruthTalk] John Dean Hitler and Christ

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Dean wrote: You guys are stating that Christ was no different than Hitler Not true.cd: Yes true -read John responces-he said this. Dean -- please paste the quotes from me that cause you to say this. I am curious. -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
You do understand how I and many others might think you answer rather curious. to speak one on one with different terminology than a speech offtered to a congregation of individuals (hmm congregation of INDIVIDUALS) is a surprising consideration for one who preaches with the hope of

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Let me add this thought: you will accomplish no lasting good with the strategy you have revealed in this post. And, you may have put your daughter in harm's way. Your sign is so very wrong if, in fact, you are trying to bring people to Christ rather than simply exposing them for the

Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Two things. 1. Your manner of speech tells me what you think of me. 2. You are a dualist and I am not. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: What does this mean: Your ideas will change. You as a person will not change? What

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Cool. I'll add this to that 10% I keep talking about. Turn about is fair play -- your comments to Judy have been noteworthy. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD wrote: "Sinful nature" is not "sinning nature." Excellent point, John.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Dean - I will use this as a benchmark statement. David's post says it all. Nothing else to say. Please consider what he is telling you. Judy you too. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean wrote: Respectfully David -Judy has

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 1:48:09 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? I John 5:20 "-- Jesus is the true God." Making a distinction between "Lord" and "God" is to misunderstand

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 1:19:33 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? David makes some good points, here, Dean. At some point in life, Hitler had a choice. at some point in time,

Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/1/2006 1:05:46 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ cd: Works don't get one saved because we depends on the works of another even Jesus-but we are saved for

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-02-01 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 1/31/2006 1:13:01 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? cd wrote: If it [flesh] was weak show me one biblical account where it was weak-and we will discuss that Here

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