It seems to me that we are missing an important point, namely,
that we need to consider what law we are free from. There is the religeous
law, and there is the moral law. Jesus death on the cross freed us from
religeous law. We no longer need a priest as intercessor, because we are
now our
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Subject: [TruthTalk] King Herod and Marlin live on
Shepherds and wise men celebrated Jesus' miraculous birth 2000 years ago. They sang, brought gifts, and worshiped
This is a very complex question for a simple person such as my self, but let me answer as best I can.
Jesus gave Christians two commands. 1. Love GOD. more than anything else... or any one else. 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. If you do that, you will have a desire to follow
Dear Izzy:
You have asked "who can answer this" ( question of whether obedience is required in addition to faith in order to have salvation?)
There are those who will take one verse from God's word, and declare that all you must do is believe thatwhosoever believes on Jesus shall not
What an appropriate discrition. "Discount
Christian". I love it.
Terry
It may be that somebody can get eternal life with belief alone. But
consider a "discount Christian." How cheap can you be and still enter
into life?What does this tell God about our love for Him?
Marlin:
At the time Jesus said these words, the young man was living
under the law. There had not yet been a crucifixion or resurrection.
He was familiar with the law, andwas not apparently familiar with
grace. Jesus was not telling him he could be saved by keeping the
law. He was pointing
Izzy:
I've known all this stuff for a little while now, most of it from
experience, but I would never ever have been able to say it like this man
has. SUPERB!
Thanks,
Terry
Subject: [TruthTalk] Imagine!
Imagine: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21145
Izzy
--
Let
If it is not in the Bible, it is not God's word. Don't trust it, and don't
trust the author. Satan is adept at using even the sincerest of lost men.
Terry (aka the narrow minded fundamentalist)
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satisfied that
all I need to know is there.
Terry
Terry Clifton wrote:
If it is not in the Bible, it is not God's word.
DAVEH: Seems to me that you aren't giving God much room to reveal more of
his will to us, Terry!
Don't trust it, and don't
trust the author. Satan is adept at using
Good news guys:
Your answers are in the Bible! The apostle Peter tells us that the Church
is not a physical plant, and it is not an organization. It is a living
organism. The Church (Ekklesia) is a spiritual house, made with living
stones. The Lord Jesus is the cornerstone, the Apostles are
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ink that is a bit shortsighted, Terry. TerryTerry Clifton wrote: If it is not in the Bible, it is not God's word. DAVEH: Seems to me that you aren't giving God much room to reveal more of his will to us, Terry! Don't trust it, and don'ttrust the author. Satan is adept at us
To DaveH:
My apology for that last post. It was mean and uncalled
for. Just because your thinking is screwed up is no excuse to subject you
to ridicule. I should be praying for you instead.
Have a nice trip.
Terry
that..I need all the help I can
get! (And, the prayers of the TTers who areprayingfor me
must be working.I really feel comfortable in TT.)
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please explain
how that is all going to work when my home computer is shut down? Not
only that, but I am on a dial-up connection at home, so I'm not connected to
the net except when I'm there. And even then...I tend to get dropped
off with regularity! :-)
Terry Clifton wrote
The Bible does not suggest. It states plainly that we can eat anything . What goes into man is not important. What comes out of man is. What ia suggested, is moderation.
Blessings,
Terry
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themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
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ense, [as if] he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.ISA 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed
AMEN!
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Better yet, if only she had been obedient to God! Izzy
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We seem to be talking in circles about dieting. First,
Izzy wanted to lose five pounds, then Marlin wanted us to know that pork is now
unclean for everyone because it was once unclean for a smallgroup,
separated for a special purpose, for a limited time. Then some self styled
expert claims
Ah, dear sister Izzy. Sometimes you grasp things so
well, as your opinion of chiropractors suggests, and sometimes you just do not
seem to understand, as with the hogs and the fishy things. The Word
plainly says that hogs were forbidden because there are two tests, and the hogs
failed one.
No, but I once saw one that played the piano. You would think this unusual talent would command big money, but she worked for chicken feed.
( It's late and my brain stopped functioning right after dinner. I know it is a poor pun, but the best I can do under stress.) 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2
Thanks for the kind words. I am with you on
obedience. God isVERY big on obedience. Because of His
inexhaustable patience, people tend to forget that He is writing it all
down. We had better obey!
The only differences we seem to have are how we
understand His word. Both of us, maybe
Izzy:
This may be the article you wanted.
Blessings,
Terry
Title:
SermonAudio.com - What's New Details
Saturday, December 28, 2002
members, click to sign in | advertising | language:
130 active users News: North Korea may have A-bomb in 30
Izzy:
This may be the article you wanted.
Blessings,
Terry
Title:
SermonAudio.com - What's New Details
Saturday, December 28, 2002
members, click to sign in | advertising | language:
130 active users News: North Korea may have A-bomb in 30
I think we may have some faulty thinking clouding the waters here guys. Think about what you are saying Michael. Sabbath means seventh. If you have no sabbath day, you got a six day week, and somebody has to come up with a new calender.
Marlin, you are quoting scripture that was spoken to
I have no idea if the new covenant invalidates the sabbath.
I do know that Jesus said " The sabbath was made for man,
man was not made for the sabbath. To me, that means the
sabbath was a gift, not a chain around my neck.
I am not, and never have been under the law. The law is of value
to
Dear Terry,
What is sin? Sin is anything that offends or disappoints a Holy God. It can be doing something you should not do or thinking something you should not think, or it can be not doing something you should do.
What is repentance? To repent means to turn and go in another direction.
s
stuff.
"If deliberate unrepentant sin is the pattern"
Would the term "practicing sinner" fit this definition? Most of us
can sin very well without any practice.
--Marlin
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Terry wrote: I sin every day in spite of my best efforts not to.If this is really true, then I suspect you live under the law and not underthe New Covenant. Read Romans 7 and see a description of what it means tolive under law. I've tried to discuss this with Marlin, but he doesn't seemto be
So Paul had a wicked heart? How 'bout David, a big time sinner that was a
man after God's own heart? ALL have sinned. Some deny it. Some call it by
another name. The honest ones repent. That pleases God.
Terry
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From: Terry Clifton
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between Torah observance and eternal life.
Marlin: You keep the law. Do you make animal sacrifices?
Terry
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Title: Romans , Chapter 14
Sorry Izzy, that warn't me. I couldn't tell a virus from
a trapizoid.
I don't meven know where Duke and Harvard are located!
(Don't bother to tell me, I wouldn't remember)All I know about blood
is that it gets all over you whenyou butcher a hog. No need for an
Glad to hear you are improving healthwise, but we will keep you on the prayer list a while longer anyway.
Terry
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Thanks Izzy,
Peter:
You do not need to know the answer to that question at bthis time. All you
need to know now is that god put that human life there with the intent that
it become a human person, and you have no right to mess with God's plan.
Some day HE will explain it all, face to face.
Terry
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You do not need to know the answer to that question at bthis time. All
you
need to know now is that god put that human life
Boy! Am I glad to hear that! Where does the stork
fit in?
Terry
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Aardvarks!
According to British scientists we have not descended
---JEFFERSON AND ROE VS. WADEEdward Smith--- Could it be that one of America's most pre-eminent Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, is also the "founding father" of the Right to
Bottom feeders everywhere are infuriated by this unfair comparison.
Terry
The bottom line on alleged "pro-choice" people is that they are bottom feeders (slurp slurp).
Ahava b' YahShua
(Love in The SAVIOUR)
Baruch YHVH,
Chris Barr, an underShepherd
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fwd: [www.washtimes.com] Jefferson, Roe Wade
On 23/1/03 10:31 AM, "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JEFFERSON AND RO
Part truth, part B.S.. True discernment is a gift from God that only is granted to those whoSTUDY His word. We are not born with immaculate perception.We are not told not to judge. We are told not to judge until we get the beam out of our eye. Please explain that to Francis.
Blessings,
Izzy:
Funny you should ask that last question, 'cause Jesus never told
us to study the Bible in order to know the truth.
He said that the Holy Spirit would lead us in all truth.
We need (must Have) the Holy Spirit working in us in order
to understand the Bible, and we must have the Bible
/03 7:20 AM, Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are not born with immaculate perception.
G'day Terry,
That's very funny :) :) I hope it's not copyright - must try to use it
sometime.
Down under (which is scientifically up top) our national capitol has
just had 530 houses destroyed
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On 25/1/03 12:57 PM, "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before this is all over (fires) I suspect that there will be many more homeless families. Can you te
Is it possible to tell the truth without credentials? Us
ignorant rednecks want to know.
Terry
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[TruthTalk] Wolf in
Looking back on my life as an American citizen, I can remember
world war two, the Korean "conflict, the Viet Nam thing, Desert Storm, Panama,
Haiti, Bosnia, the Taliban, and now back to Iraq. Very few of my
sixty-nine years have been spent when we were not at war with someone. WW
two I can
David:
Thanks for your thoughts. What you suggest is obviously the most effective
way to eliminate what we perceive to be a threat. I personally would not
miss New York city but I suppose many people would. It seems, however, that
following that logic, we would lock up everyone who might
steps were taken to make sure we
would enter the war by this means. Pearl Harbor was the only way,
leading officials felt, to galvanize the reluctant American public into
action.
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David:
What you sayfor the most part makes sense. You have given me new angles to consider. As for New York city, I was thinking of the buildings, not the people. I hate cities, and feel for anyone who has to live in one.
I do think we sometimes go overboard when a big event like a ship
Wow! What a humble guy. Before you draw us, please read
Matt.20:24-28. It just might help, because right now I see you more as a
screwball than a leader, and wouldn't follow you to a water hole if I were dying
in the desert.
Terry
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little children
Finally, something we can agree on.
Terry
Second, I stopped "pledgin" to the flag
long ago. It just doesn't set well with me Scripturally
speaking.
I also teach to stay out of
McDonald's. I rarely ever went there anyway (there are PUHLENTY of
reasons NOT to go
Big difference! The religeous leaders were wrong about Jesus.
Terry
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of this on judgment day.
Chris ... servant of The Most High
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Big difference! The religeous leaders were wrong about Jesus.
Terry
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Izzy
What nation would that be? I hope you are not talking about the one withtwo queers and a murderer in congress and a freemason for a president, the one that kills four million unborn boys and girls every year, the one that sells pornography with little children in the starring roles. Is
for ... except you repent you WILL be reminded of this on that great and terrible day of YahVeh.
Hebrews 10:31
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No difference? Are you now
You can count on those prayers.
Terry
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] God and war
Terry,
I understand completely. Actually, I believe it was Billy Grahams wife who stated
"Happy moments, praise God. Difficult moments, seek God.Quiet moments, worship God. Painful moments, trust God.Every moment, thank God!"_.
IncrediMail - Email has
I saw in the news last week where
The A C L U doesn't want any crosses
on Federal Property.
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Jim Wehde asked: Could God ever give us certain scripture to illustrate the weakness of the writer, and where he may have been culturally bound, or even...gulp...wrong?
Sophie answered: The Scriptures is God breathed (or inspired), and since God is perfect,there can be no mistake in
Can you imagine working for a company that has a
little more than 500 employees and has the following
statistics:
*29 have been accused of spousal abuse
* 7 have been arrested for fraud
* 19 have been accused of writing bad cheques
* 117
/correction
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:30:39
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I am not certain
just what you are asking.
Is gracea category on a timeline?
E.g., where would Moses be without the grace of God? meansi wonder if you were limiting the
gr
how long one can be under conviction and refuse to repent without God writing that person off Thats the Big Question!!! (I can think of a few that I wish He would have zapped a long time ago!)
What happens when God writes them off? Does He kill them, or just let them run around
All God's instructions to Christians are in the Holy Bible. If it is not
there, I would advise you to fergedaboudit.
Terry
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:08 PM
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believe in Christ, regardless of one's position BEFORE believing. They are two separate
groups. I From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sinDate: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:42:46 -060
Hey Marlin. I cannot believe it. We actually agree on something!
Terry
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
The Jews are only one of several tribes originating from the seed ofAbraham! The "OT" is a history of the origins of all people, from Adamonward,
Charles:
It was Lot, not Noah.
Terry
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Wasn't that Lot that got drunk and slept with
Subject: Fwd: daily devotional 2/12/2003
The message of Joe Millionaire. The hottest program on television right
now
is a FOX program called Joe Millionaire, with over 20 million viewers
each
week. It is a simple concept. Take a construction worker who makes
$19,000/yr, clean him up
A big AMEN to Rush. The insert contained a Bible.
Terry
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Terry, The insert doesnt show up on my computer. Rush
Suppose you are celebrating the anniversary of your
natural birth by thanking the Lord for giving you another year, by marking each
year given with a candle. Suppose further, that as you blow out those
candles, you wish that every lost person could come to know and love your
Saviour.
Would
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Birthdays
Terry Clifton wrote:
Suppose you are celebrating the anniversary of your natural birth by thanking the Lord for giving you
Satan in order to
"win souls to Christ"? How about buying a striptease club to "attract
souls to Christ"?
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KJV 1 Cor. 5:22 Abstain from the APPEARANCE of evil
Blessings
Terry
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Brother Glenn
The "mind reading" site is indeed clever. But it
occultic about you! VBG.Also, if we were to discover that the cross, prior to Christ, carried the connotation of forbidden practices, that is, was used as a symbol by occultic groups, that we should abstain from using it as a symbol of Christianity?PerryFrom: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECT
Marlin:
I am reading a book that just came out. I think you would find it interesting and of value. The title is "Pagan Christianity", authored by Frank Viola and printed by Present Testimony Ministry. It shows how most of our present day church practices came from pagan roots. It is
No mention of Alan Knight in the acknowledgements. Don't know about the footnotes as I have not finished the book. May be able to tell you later.
Terry
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Subject: Re:
What I think is irrelevant. No one in government ever
asks me.
Terry
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Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:15
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] torture?
Heres a question I saw on cable
news: Should captured
Animals do not have souls as we understand the word. When they die it's the end of the road. Either a stain on the pavement or a blob in the septic tank, unless of course, you are a frog.In that case, there is always the chance that you will end up a prince.
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Princes live happily ever after.
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Animal souls?
TTers, Hopefully you will be a bit more helpful with this question: What happens to animal souls after
Some of you who have been down this road before please
give me some pointers. How would you present the Gospel to someone on
their death bed that had never before been to church or read the Bible?
How do you keep it simple, convey the message, and get a response from someone
who until this
Izzy:
Just an afterthought. I think soul has to do more with conscience
than with consiousness. Animals feel and think and love and
protect and serve, but they have no conscience, no morals,
no inherent sense of right or wrong.Like the little boy said,
based on his experience,
"Never
I sent this once, but am not certain it got there. At least, no one acknowledged that they had recieved it, so I am trying again.
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Some of you who have been down this road before please give me some pointers. How would you present the Gospel to someone on their death bed that had never
I had much the same experience with a man that was dying of
lung cancer. I do not know that he ever darkened the door of
a church, but I know he had heard the Gospel many times
because his wife and daughter and a pastor had tried many
times to reach him. The Holy spirit just had me there at
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From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]By the way, it says in Revelation, chapter 22, that they [dogs] won't be [in heaven]. [I added the comments in brackets - cpl]You aren't serious here are you? Surely you are pulling TT's collective le
Dogs was a term used for gentiles or nonbelievers.
Izzy
That seems terribly unfair to some of the dogs I have owned.
Terry
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If
Thanks Izzy. I will study it.
Terry
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Date: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 16:12:07
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Presenting the Gospel
Terry,
Amen to the fact that it is the Holy Spirit who leads folks into the Kingdom.
Makes sense to me.
Terry
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Do you agree with this?
I received the following email, and am wondering if you all agree or
disagree: Izzy,
Every once in a while, I get to wondering about the significance of numbers in the Bible. It seems that certain numbers are used too frequently to be coincidental. Numbers like three, seven, twelve, and forty come to mind as examples. Why not eleven, or seventeen, or seventy-three?
Maybe
Our grand daughter, Shiloh Gaska, has just been admitted to the hospital. They suspect meningitis; do not know which type yet.
Please pray for her.
Terry
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Preliminary tests show Shiloh's spinal fluid to be clear. This can indicate that she does not have meningitis, or if she does, it indicates that it was caught early on. All we know for certain at present is that she has severe infection in all her sinus cavities and possibly elsewhere.
Izzy:
Shiloh is doing much better today. The antibiotics are
having an amazingly fast effect, the prayers have been answered, and she is well
on her way back to being an aggravating 14 year old teenager.
Terry
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David:
I wish I had known your father. He was a rare individual, a special person.
Terry
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Date: Sunday, March 09, 2003 09:38:30 PM
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Update on my father
My father has passed on to be with the
Izzy:
If Jesus had ever sinned, He cpuld not have been the sinless
sacrifice required to satisfy God, the father.
Jesus worked on the Sabbath, and was not a sinner. That
tells me that working on the sabbath is not a sin. Others will no doubt
see it differently, but my Lord said that man
Marlin:
Just finished Frank Viola's new book. After three
hundred pages and ten million footnotes, I can tell you that he never mentions
the primitive Christianity book you sent him or it's author. Since he did
not reply to you, possibly he never received it?
Terry
I do not remember intent being a consideration. I don't
know that God gave room for loopholes in those days. Most of the world
worshipped idols, and the Lord picked out one people to show that world who He
was. Whenthat peculiar peopleobeyed, God gave them earthly
blessings that everyone
The basic message is that what we call church today is not at
all what God intended it to be. Viola documents the origin of the things
that constitute todays worship service, and shows where most of them originated
from psgan practices after the death of the apostles. Well worth
reading.
We changed our way of living slightly about three years ago when we gave up on the institutional church and formed a home church. If you are interested in what the differences are, let me know and I will explain. If you aren't interested, don't feel bad. Most people aren't.
Terry
that he never mentions the one contemporary book that is most like his own.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:02 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Pagan Christianity
Marlin:
Just finished Frank Viola's new book. After three hundred pages
Izzy:
You asked about differences, comparing the institutional church with home church. They are many, and I cannot think of them all at one setting, but I will point out the most obvious.
If you study the New Testament, you will never find reference to a building fund, or even to a
Slade:
Sounds interesting. I gather from what you say that it is fiction,
somewhat based on fact?
Terry
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Date: Thursday, March 13, 2003 22:40:32
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