Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-20 Thread Udo Richter
On 15.12.2008 11:06, Frank Schmirler wrote: - no channel sync This would make an excellent addition to streamdev. Rather a separate plugin or at most part of epgsync-Plugin. Streamdev should stick to what it was meant for: streaming. Streamdev is a receiving device within VDR, and VDR can do

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-20 Thread Frank Schmirler
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:31:33 +0100, Udo Richter wrote On 15.12.2008 11:06, Frank Schmirler wrote: - no channel sync This would make an excellent addition to streamdev. Rather a separate plugin or at most part of epgsync-Plugin. Streamdev should stick to what it was meant for: streaming.

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-20 Thread Udo Richter
On 20.12.2008 23:37, Frank Schmirler wrote: It seems that we have a different understanding of the term channel sync. Streamdev-0.3.4 has the capabilities you're talking about. What I had in mind was merging or replacing the client's with the server's channels list. One thing is updating the

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-18 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Frank Schmirler v...@schmirler.de wrote: yes, intelligent timer migration between vdr instances is a not trivial task. when a timer is to be fired, you have to ask all vdr instances its timer list and move the timer to the most suitable instance. taking into account recordings on the same

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-15 Thread Pasi Juppo
Nicolas Huillard wrote: Udo Richter a écrit : * if 2 VDRs record the same program at the same time, it seems to a be a big problem... If using a slightly different EPG data, this result in 2 recordings with different times, and if using the exact same EPG, this result in something weird

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-15 Thread Magnus Hörlin
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org] För Pasi Juppo Skickat: den 15 december 2008 16:31 Till: VDR Mailing List Ämne: Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update) Other point : previous emails talk about various possibilities about DVB

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-14 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Seppo Ingalsuo seppo.ingal...@iki.fi wrote: vdr in a massive client server configuration is a giant hack with many pieces each with its own little problems summing up. Not giant system, but some experiences: I have one server running three instances of vdr. Vdr #2 and #3 are connected by

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-14 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 13.12.2008 22:34, Oleg Roitburd wrote: 2008/12/13 Klaus Schmidinger klaus.schmidin...@cadsoft.de: On 07.12.2008 14:41, Alex Betis wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Klaus Schmidinger klaus.schmidin...@cadsoft.de mailto:klaus.schmidin...@cadsoft.de wrote: On 07.12.2008 13:21, Klaus

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-14 Thread matthieu castet
Hi, Seppo Ingalsuo wrote: Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: vdr in a massive client server configuration is a giant hack with many pieces each with its own little problems summing up. Not giant system, but some experiences: I have one server running three instances of vdr. Vdr #2 and #3

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-14 Thread Mika Laitio
and change scan.c so that it first tunes to DVB-S2, as in /* set up list of delivery systems*/ //fe_delivery_system_t delset[]={SYS_DVBS,SYS_DVBS2}; fe_delivery_system_t delset[]={SYS_DVBS2,SYS_DVBS}; Ok, I did run some

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-13 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 07.12.2008 14:41, Alex Betis wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Klaus Schmidinger klaus.schmidin...@cadsoft.de mailto:klaus.schmidin...@cadsoft.de wrote: On 07.12.2008 13:21, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Attached is an updated version of the patch to make VDR use the S2API.

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-13 Thread Oleg Roitburd
2008/12/13 Klaus Schmidinger klaus.schmidin...@cadsoft.de: On 07.12.2008 14:41, Alex Betis wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Klaus Schmidinger klaus.schmidin...@cadsoft.de mailto:klaus.schmidin...@cadsoft.de wrote: On 07.12.2008 13:21, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Attached is an

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-13 Thread Magnus Hörlin
Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: Udo Richter udo_rich...@gmx.de wrote: I really don't get the point why it is necessary to totally rewrite VDR core to support multiple frontends (surely loosing compatibility to almost all plugins), when it will at the end just start one thread per frontend,

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-13 Thread Goga777
I just wanted to download the dvb-apps from linuxtv.org, but apparently all those repositories are gone, http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps is empty. Any idea where to get the scan-s2 source now? http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/scan-s2/ also you can try new dvb-s/dvb-s2 scanner -

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-13 Thread Udo Richter
On 12.12.2008 23:23, Nicolas Huillard wrote: The problems that come to mind in typical current multiple VDR are : * DVB device handling is running even if there is no actual DVB device (OK, this is not a problem in practice, except for device numbers) When there are no DVB devices available at

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-13 Thread Udo Richter
On 13.12.2008 00:04, VDR User wrote: Maybe those people who wants such a networking capable vdr should fork it and implement the needed features? Possibly. However, I could be wrong but didn't Klaus recently say if anyone forks VDR, he would stop developing it? And it isn't as if there's a

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-12 Thread Nicolas Huillard
Jörg Knitter a écrit : Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Well, tell that to people writing plugins for such output devices. I don't see where *I* would be involved there?! Are there enough interfaces to be able to read the and control the OSD for including them seamlessly it into a different

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-12 Thread Georg Acher
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:07:35AM +, Morfsta wrote: Are you selling single eHD cards solely for implementation within Reel devices? If so, I believe you should make this clear as I wasn't aware of this and other users won't be. Some of the problems I have when running eHD with VDR 1.7.0

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-12 Thread VDR User
It is already possible to have disks array, DVB devices, and all the cables down in the closet, and as many clients we want behind each TV set, with only a CAT5 cable and an IR sensor. That's just difficult. Moving existing plugin code into the VDR core, and getting some out of the core, into

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-12 Thread Halim Sahin
Hi, On Fr, Dez 12, 2008 at 09:06:02 -0800, VDR User wrote: I can say I've seen many people move away from VDR because it doesn't provide a good solution to this. After years of using standalone VDR boxes, I too would love if we had the option to use a networked VDR with each client being

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-12 Thread Udo Richter
On 12.12.2008 18:06, VDR User wrote: I can say I've seen many people move away from VDR because it doesn't provide a good solution to this. After years of using standalone VDR boxes, I too would love if we had the option to use a networked VDR with each client being exactly as you

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-12 Thread VDR User
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Halim Sahin halim.sa...@t-online.de wrote: This would add more complexity to vdr and make it unstable. BTW. VDR is a video disk recorder not a media center?? I don't know an other multimedia project like vdr wich works stable like vdr. Why would you assume

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-12 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Udo Richter udo_rich...@gmx.de wrote: I really don't get the point why it is necessary to totally rewrite VDR core to support multiple frontends (surely loosing compatibility to almost all plugins), when it will at the end just start one thread per frontend, while we can already start one VDR

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-12 Thread Nicolas Huillard
Udo Richter a écrit : On 12.12.2008 18:06, VDR User wrote: I can say I've seen many people move away from VDR because it doesn't provide a good solution to this. After years of using standalone VDR boxes, I too would love if we had the option to use a networked VDR with each client being

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-10 Thread Pertti Kosunen
Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Besides, isn't there the streamdev plugin that provides signals to other clients? I've never tried it myself, but I was under the impression that this is what people use in such cases... I've seen multi client streamdev users run multiple vdr daemons in server

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-10 Thread Frank Schmirler
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:59:47 +0200, Pertti Kosunen wrote Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Besides, isn't there the streamdev plugin that provides signals to other clients? I've never tried it myself, but I was under the impression that this is what people use in such cases... I've seen multi

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-10 Thread Jörg Knitter
Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Well, tell that to people writing plugins for such output devices. I don't see where *I* would be involved there?! Are there enough interfaces to be able to read the and control the OSD for including them seamlessly it into a different front-end? I don´t think that

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-10 Thread Hanno Zulla
Hi, Why don't you just use such a graphics card then? You're right. After my previous message in this thread, I updated my vdr box yesterday, only to find FF output not working properly (once again). [*] Now I'm considering the built-in graphics card as an alternative output, hoping that it

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Pertti Kosunen
Halim Sahin wrote: You can buy a lcd tv and after two years you can't use it's hdmi connectiorr of hdmi revision 599,95.0 hd ready-full-hd/hdmi1.1, 1.2 1.3 . I read something about limitations of current hdmi standard so we will maybe we get displayport as new solution??? This has

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Hanno Zulla
Hi, I'm pretty sure there are quite a few systems out there using FF DVB cards. I wonder why you are constantly arguing against them ;-) I own an FF card for two reasons only: It offers better video quality on a CRT TV and vdr (1.6) prefers it. There are a few things to dislike about FF

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 09.12.2008 17:22, Hanno Zulla wrote: Hi, I'm pretty sure there are quite a few systems out there using FF DVB cards. I wonder why you are constantly arguing against them ;-) I own an FF card for two reasons only: It offers better video quality on a CRT TV and vdr (1.6) prefers it.

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Goga777
I hope you don't buy an eHD card since I don't believe it's the way to go and it would drive VDR in the wrong direction. I'm sitting here with a €65 nvidia 8200-based motherboard playing 1080p videos with the cpu 97% idle using vdpau and ffmpeg! which cpu do you have ? What about pictures

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Georg Acher
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 07:34:19PM +0100, Magnus Hörlin wrote: I hope you don't buy an eHD card since I don't believe it's the way to go and it would drive VDR in the wrong direction. I'm sitting here with a ???65 nvidia 8200-based motherboard playing 1080p videos with the cpu 97% idle

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Magnus Hörlin
Georg Acher wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 07:34:19PM +0100, Magnus Hörlin wrote: I hope you don't buy an eHD card since I don't believe it's the way to go and it would drive VDR in the wrong direction. I'm sitting here with a ???65 nvidia 8200-based motherboard playing 1080p videos

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread VDR User
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Georg Acher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reelvdr code base is tested by a really large number of users (many thousands and not many geeks ;-) ). Is there any specific reason why you don't want to profit from the experiences RMM already made? There are many

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Georg Acher
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:46:21PM -0800, VDR User wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Georg Acher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reelvdr code base is tested by a really large number of users (many thousands and not many geeks ;-) ). Is there any specific reason why you don't want to

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 09.12.2008 21:47, Magnus Hörlin wrote: ... On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 07:34:19PM +0100, Magnus Hörlin wrote: I hope you don't buy an eHD card since I don't believe it's the way to go and it would drive VDR in the wrong direction. I'm sitting here with a ???65 nvidia 8200-based

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Udo Richter
Karl Glatz wrote: But the disadvantages are clear: Modern GPUs support more than the OSD provided by VDR (even older gpus do that). So none of these Output-Plugins will face the real problem: The OSD is (mostly) limited to work with FF cards. [...] Even if you don't like such

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Magnus Hörlin
Klaus Schmidinger wrote: On 09.12.2008 21:47, Magnus Hörlin wrote: ... On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 07:34:19PM +0100, Magnus Hörlin wrote: I hope you don't buy an eHD card since I don't believe it's the way to go and it would drive VDR in the wrong direction. I'm sitting

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Tony Houghton
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:39:04 +0100 Klaus Schmidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, isn't there the streamdev plugin that provides signals to other clients? I've never tried it myself, but I was under the impression that this is what people use in such cases... Am I right in thinking you

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 09.12.2008 23:04, Magnus Hörlin wrote: Klaus Schmidinger wrote: On 09.12.2008 21:47, Magnus Hörlin wrote: ... On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 07:34:19PM +0100, Magnus Hörlin wrote: I hope you don't buy an eHD card since I don't believe it's the way to go and it would

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Stefan Hußfeldt
Magnus Hörlin schrieb: My VDR is one machine with several DVB devices and hardware replay. As long as there is a way of having a good hardware replay, why shouldn't I use it? My opinion as a hardware design engineer is that when my cpu is 97% idle displaying 1080p video, it is hardware

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Andy Carter
On Tuesday 09 December 2008 22:44:07 Stefan Hußfeldt wrote: Magnus Hörlin schrieb: My VDR is one machine with several DVB devices and hardware replay. As long as there is a way of having a good hardware replay, why shouldn't I use it? My opinion as a hardware design engineer is that

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-09 Thread Helmut Auer
Isn't PAL enough for everybody? *duckandcover* and me. I don't have room for any more than DVB-T and FF in my VDR barebone system And many more. I've installed vdr for 50 persons - most of these are still happy with an old P3 or Celeron ... In Germany there's definitely no run

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 08.12.2008 06:03, VDR User wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Klaus Schmidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07.12.2008 18:40, gimli wrote: Hi Klaus, just one question. Do you also use a budget system ? If so, how do you watch TV with vdr 1.7.1 and later ;) since xineliboutput is

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 08.12.2008 11:13, Artem Makhutov wrote: Hi, On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 11:03:45AM +0100, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: On 08.12.2008 10:49, Holger Rusch wrote: Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: FF seems to have understandably gone the way of the dinosaur. But the dinosaur is still the best

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Jochen Heuer
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 11:03:45AM +0100, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Is there any movement to files 2GB for the recordings? I will most likely change this when going to TS recording format. In doing so, I'd like to get rid of splitting recordings into separate files altogether. However, I

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Artem Makhutov
Hi, On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 11:03:45AM +0100, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: On 08.12.2008 10:49, Holger Rusch wrote: Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: FF seems to have understandably gone the way of the dinosaur. But the dinosaur is still the best choice to get the best picture quality on a

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 08.12.2008 10:49, Holger Rusch wrote: Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: FF seems to have understandably gone the way of the dinosaur. But the dinosaur is still the best choice to get the best picture quality on a PAL CRT TV ! But for anybody who wants to use a beamer these FF-cards are

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 08.12.2008 16:34, Alex Betis wrote: ... Klaus, I've asked about the size of recording in TS format that you probably missed (or ignored :)). Will there be more overhead compared to currently recorded format? There may be a small overhead, but with today's huge disks this should be

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Udo Richter
Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Is there any movement to files 2GB for the recordings? I will most likely change this when going to TS recording format. In doing so, I'd like to get rid of splitting recordings into separate files altogether. However, I think there might be people who still want

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Mika Laitio
But for anybody who wants to use a beamer these FF-cards are full pain with there stupid outputs. I (and many others) want DVI/HDMI/Display-Port. And I want beamer that has a network card and can download and show the content downloaded from vdr server. I don't know whether they could connect

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Mika Laitio
BTW. Softdevice/play, vdr-xine and xineliboutput are able to play youtube divx etc. Is there btw any vdr-plugin for browsing you tupe content (like most watched, movie trailers, etc...) and playing them. Another nice plugin would be a something where you could select some of your recordings

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread VDR User
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Halim Sahin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It makes no sense to me supporting something which can't be used with hdtv stuff in one year! HDMI isn't going anywhere any time soon. Neither is h264, or anything else so can you give us some examples of things you think

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-08 Thread Halim Sahin
Hi, search for webvideo plugin. It works for me! On Di, Dez 09, 2008 at 01:04:58 +0200, Mika Laitio wrote: BTW. Softdevice/play, vdr-xine and xineliboutput are able to play youtube divx etc. Is there btw any vdr-plugin for browsing you tupe content (like most watched, movie trailers,

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-07 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
Attached is an updated version of the patch to make VDR use the S2API. Dominik Strasser reported that he got log entries like Dec 6 18:39:02 VDR vdr: [4102] ERROR: frontend 0: Das Argument ist ungültig Dec 6 18:39:02 VDR kernel: DVB: adapter 0 frontend 1935763502 symbol rate 0 out of

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-07 Thread Alex Betis
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Klaus Schmidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07.12.2008 13:21, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: Attached is an updated version of the patch to make VDR use the S2API. Dominik Strasser reported that he got log entries like Dec 6 18:39:02 VDR vdr: [4102] ERROR:

Re: [vdr] VDR with S2API (update)

2008-12-07 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 07.12.2008 18:40, gimli wrote: Hi Klaus, just one question. Do you also use a budget system ? If so, how do you watch TV with vdr 1.7.1 and later ;) since xineliboutput is completly broken with it. Currently I still have a FF DVB card for replaying, which, in the long run, will be