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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Ron Watson

There is a piece of software for phpBB that allows a user to insert the posts from a Yahoo group, like this, into your phpBB DB. I was going to use it for k9discussion, but I was afraid that I would have problems with the list owners. The discdog world is quite...interesting... let's say. We are a dysfunctional, but largely happy community. We had 5 guys going through 10,000 or so messages before I pulled the plug. That is a way that you could grab all of the info from this list and populate a forum with good information from here.Just thought I would share that. I can find out what the app is called that does that, if you want. Ron WatsonPawsitive Vybe Canines12 E Bridge St Suite GRockford, MI 49341[EMAIL PROTECTED]301.524.6670http://pawsitivevybe.comhttp://k9disc.comhttp://k9disc.blip.tv On May 9, 2006, at 9:16 PM, David Meade wrote: On 5/9/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Make no mistake about it -- there is great information thatpasses through here, from new ideas and new trends, technicalinnovation, and best practices for media makers and videobloggersexploring new possibilities. But, again thats not the issue. And I'm not making any such mistake, myself ... as I said earlier: "This is clearly a great group, and has great information for those just starting. No body is saying otherwise. The simple question was essentially 'is there a better way for this group to present that information to make it more accessible "for those people who cant follow the topic well enough yet to be like you and join a dozen different groups to find the information." If the answer is No, its no. If the answer is Yes its yes. But saying "this list has great ideas in it already" doesnt address the issue. The question wasnt "how can we get better information out there" it was "how can we get information out there better". Anyway ... this topic is so all over the map now, I doubt this thread can really discuss it fairly ... no matter we'll do the same run around again in six months. :-P - Dave-- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

On 5/9/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Make no mistake about it -- there is great information thatpasses through here, from new ideas and new trends, technicalinnovation, and best practices for media makers and videobloggersexploring new possibilities.

But, again thats not the issue. And I'm not making any such mistake, myself ... as I said earlier:

"This is clearly a great group, and has great information for those just
starting. No body is saying otherwise. The simple question was
essentially 'is there a better way for this group to present that
information to make it more accessible "for those people who cant
follow the topic well enough yet to be like you and join a dozen
different groups to find the information."

If the answer is No, its no. If the answer is Yes its yes.
But saying "this list has great ideas in it already" doesnt address the
issue. The question wasnt "how can we get better information out
there" it was "how can we get information out there better".

Anyway ... this topic is so all over the map now, I doubt this thread
can really discuss it fairly ... no matter we'll do the same run around
again in six months. :-P

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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Heath




Well I was going to reply to Markus, but David kinda beat me to the 
punch..Just to clairfy, I was not suggesting that the group 
has not grown with the membership, which is what I think you thought 
I meant (man that just gave me a headache writing that)..

Anywho, sometimes I am writing from work and I get in a hurry 
because big brother is always watching at work, so in my head 
something makes perfect sense, but not always so once it is written 
out.

In relation to what was written and had been written, I was simply 
suggesting that maybe that this group can be overwhelming to a new 
person(I think it can, I know I get overwhelmed, I am not a "super 
tech" I know enough to be dangerous) and maybe as the vlogging 
universe grows that perhaps this group should grow in a different 
way.  I am sure this group has grown and morphed in many, many ways 
I am not aware of.  But if something does come up over and 
over...

Anyway, I think I am going to check out vloggassit again and give it 
a closer look, information overload never hurt anyone right?

As to me being a Batman Geek and "silly".., prick me, do I not 
bleed, hurt me do I not cry, tell me Marvel is better than DC do I 
not come to your house in the middle of the night 
andum..forget that last part.

Heath - Batman Geek
http://batmangeek.blogspot.com


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> ok maybe I'm just in a bad mood and reading between the lines when 
I
> shouldn't be ... sorry.
> 
> However ... This topic has come up several times.  And as Heath 
points out,
> that wouldn't be the case if it were in fact the silliest idea ever
> presented here ... clearly there are some pros to the idea.
> 
> And yet, each time it has come up, its been so immediately scoffed 
at,
> flamed, and scolded *by the heavy contributors of this list* ... 
that the
> real benefits to the lurkers never really gets a chance at honest 
discussion
> ... an irony that really ticks me off.
> 
>  *huff*huff*huff*
> 
>  .. ok I'm gonna go take my 'meds' now.
> 
>  - Dave
> 
> On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > i apologize to Heath if my use of the word 'silly' hurt his 
feelings.
> >
> > if that came off as harsh, it was not intended (he is our Batman 
geek,
> > after all).
> >
> > i meant it light-heartedly and it clearly did not come across 
that way to
> > you david.
> >
> > silly is not a word i consider 'harsh', but  i will try to be 
more careful
> > with others in the future.
> >
> > for the record, you can generally tell when I'm being harsh when 
I
> > punctuate my sentences with the words "dumb asshole" :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Meade wrote:
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> > Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at 
someone who
> > was only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 
2k people,
> > its the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users.  That may 
not be a
> > problem, it's simply raised the quesiton" "is the current format 
of the
> > group contributing to the fact that there arent more new names 
in active
> > posters list".
> >
> > Theres no reason to insult just because you dont see a problem 
with the
> > fact that the same people are contributing to the list ... some 
others in
> > this thread are simply asking "would we see more participation 
from newer
> > users and expand our network of friends if we were to present 
this FLOOD of
> > information in another way".
> >
> > How can simply having that discussion warrant you ranking 
someones opinion
> > on it as the silliest thing you've ever read.
> >
> > Vlogging about the yahoo group isn't likely to inspire lurkers 
to become
> > active.  So what would? (I doubt them seeing people attack 
perfectly
> > reasonable discussion as 'the silliest thing' ever read is going 
to do it)
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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Joshua Paul




Okay, if you want to gain some *real* insight to this group, compare  
it to others. Microsoft has done a lot of research in this area  
(newsgroups), and the research is freely available. Check it out for  
yourself, run the numbers, and draw your own conclusions:

  http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/

Personally, I find this group to be a tremendous asset to the  
videoblogging community as a whole. People lurk. People post. People  
flame. It's all normal. Where we fall in the categorization of a  
group, well, you decide.

I post very rarely, and mostly in regard to technical issues that  
nobody else seems to be chiming in on. It doesn't mean I'm not an  
active member, I've just found my particular role here (which may  
change at any time).

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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

I'm not giving up that easy, here my forum scope;

I think this Yahoo videoblogging discussion-group needs to stay, no
need for everyone to transfer to a forum. However to have access to
more static information like video-hosting, editing software,
aggregators, search engines and the like it would be better of in a forum.

The whole reason http://vlogassist.com was build (April 2006) is to
fill this gap. Searching is more effective and posts are more grouped
together per subject. At the moment there are 244 articles.

I do not have to go over all the points already mentioned by other
members I guess.

Vlogassist was build with PHPBB as some people already told you in
previous posts. I run another forum with 524 member, a very specific
forum for Dutch-American couples so not really new to this kind of
setup.  ( http://usadutch.com/forum )

Just installing a forum is not the way to start that's why mods are
added, to name a few;

1.  Embedded video  (windows media and quicktime..more if needed.)
2.  A lexicon that highlights words automatically and produces links to
the lexicon.
3.  RSS feed public reading (all posts included in one stream).
4.  A members build it yourself RSS feed per forum with volume
definition and sorted on forum or date and time.
5.  Email status mail like Yahoo but per forum object configurable.
6.  Today/Yesterday indicators for each post.
7.  Choose your own forum color.
8.  Website-list for members (This is different then a member-list)

And these are just the highlights but specially selected for a
vloggerforum.

Please take a look and as an incentive for new members I will give
away 5 domain names and later on 5 free 1 year website hosting, the
rules are already published on May 3rd the only thing in return is a
FREE membership for you!

Please join and contribute, become a member, moderator or poster,
whatever makes vlogging more fun.

(Did you know Andreas is a member as well as Chuck Olson , JoshLeo,
Devlon, Paulreyno, Maddman just to name a few. They must have seen
some value in this forum I think.)

And yes there is a link-button to vlogmap.org and more links will be
added. Actually there are about 100 links throughout the whole forum. 

Blips
http://vlogassist.com the videoblogging resource
http://vlogmatic.com

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> On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:55:25 +0200, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
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> > I give up.  apparently somewhere between 12months as a member and  
> > 18months as a member you stop enjoying discussion of new ideas.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Joshua Kinberg

I've actually met several "lurkers" on this list in person (you might
be surprised who is lurking here). Often they are happy to sit back
and watch the conversation as it happens -- though there is certainly
a lot of conversation to take in on this list as it can be "high-flow"
at times. Make no mistake about it -- there is great information that
passes through here, from new ideas and new trends, technical
innovation, and best practices for media makers and videobloggers
exploring new possibilities.

-Josh

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:55:25 +0200, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
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> I give up.  apparently somewhere between 12months as a member and  
> 18months as a member you stop enjoying discussion of new ideas.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Michael Verdi

Maybe this list is what it is and that's fine. There are other places and lists to handle other things.Ryanne and I have worked really hard to make Freevlog easy and cover most every newbie question. When we did our first big launch a year ago we had a message board but nobody used it (we got about 2 or 3 posts total). Most people just emailed us and what we found was that almost all of those questions could be handled by making the tutorials better. Now we probably average about 1 help email a day. Sometimes we get questions in another language and one of our translators takes it. All in all I'd say that most of the really basic stuff is covered. We even have text versions of the main tutorials and of course you can get it all in handy book form :)
What I think is really great about this list is that we can talk about all kinds of stuff. And yes, some of it is very technical but that's a good thing. When I first joined the list, a couple of people were going on and on about something called "RSS." Those emails just looked like "blah blah blah" to me at first. Then, once Me-TV (Mefeedia) and ANT (FireAnt) came out and I could see what you could use RSS for it started to make sense.
I guess the point is this: early on I was a newbie who said "why don't we make this a message board so we can find stuff better?" and that didn't happen so I (and others) went out and addressed that in ohter ways. Now I think this list does the job that it does just fine.
Maybe I should make a tutorial on how to subscribe and read this list.1. Use something threaded like Gmail2. Set up a rule/filter so it doesn't all show up in your inbox3. Ignore threads you're not interested in
4. Flag the ones you're watching5. Mark everything that's dropped out of view as read-Verdi

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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Bill Streeter




I totally agree with your assessment of the functionality of Yahoo
Groups. I've been using it since before it was Yahoo groups and Yahoo
has done little to improve it. Most of the improvements to the system
have been cosmetic. I much prefer what Google has done with their groups. 

I started a PHPbb forum at Garagepunk.com about 5 years ago with a
friend of mine. We currently have 3,214 members (larger than this list
I think) and the forum structure works out much better for starting
and sustaining conversations IMHO. People can browse the topics they
are interested in and connect more easily with like minded
individuals. But I'm sure you all know this already. 

Bill Streeter
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> Writing this before I read them all and before I forget, so I  
> apologize in advance if it has already been said.
> 
> I have been a Yahoo list member (that moniker ought to date me well)  
> for about 10 years now, and it has always struck me how inadequate  
> the lists are at developing a community. Lists are great for  
> announcements, but horrible for conversations. There is no permanence  
> to these lists; every conversation is a flash in the pan.
> 
> How many times does the same, or similar question get asked? Can you  
> research a topic on this list? What if you come in late, as I did?  
> Surf through thousands of posts most of which are of no interest to me?
> 
> This was the problem with the discdog lists on Yahoo. the list  
> functioned perfectly for announcements but was sorely lacking in  
> terms of building a community. The lack of permanence, I believe, is  
> the big shortcoming of these lists in developing a community. First  
> off there is the difficulty of finding information that is of  
> interest to you; drilling down into the thousands of messages with  
> different subjects is near impossible. Then there is the fact that  
> people can say anything they want and it is gone, never to be seen  
> again. This allows people to really act shitty towards eachother.
> 
> 2 years ago i created http://k9disc.com (orignially a phpBB) as an  
> alternative to the lists. It was slow going at first, as none of the  
> discdogging heavy hitters hopped on the band wagon, and a bunch still  
> are not members, but it really picked up steam, and we now have 227  
> or so members and nearly 8000 posts. It has been an invaluable  
> resource for new discdog players across the world. Things are divided  
> up into topics, and while there are a lot of posts, at least you have  
> a topic that you can start your drilling in.
> 
> I am all for a bridging the gap with a good forum set up instead of  
> this list. I am sure I would participate more. I would also be able  
> to learn so much more.
> 
> Anybody know how to run scoop? Great program for communities, and it  
> totally could handle 1000 members.
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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




I'm not sure what we can do as a larger community, but as the only
developer of VlogMap, my mind is centric to the site...

I'm not trying to compete with other sites, but I do feel a
responsibility to those who visit VlogMap.  Over the past year, I've
analyzed where visitors come from and what paths they take through the
site.   Most are not vloggers and many have very little knowledge of
what we are doing.  If we can welcome them and educate them on the
basics, we may be rewarded with more vloggers.

Combine the issue of non-vloggers, those who are technically
challenged, and people who are not comfortable with English, and it
becomes hard to build a site that caters to each.  My intention for
building forums and a handbook was to "bridge the gap" between tech-
and non-tech vloggers, as well as vloggers and non-vloggers.  I see
forums has something that is mainly used by existing vloggers
(searched for info by all) and the handbook as a way for everyone to
teach/learn more.

There is indeed a problem with repeat questions and the inability to
find answers here on the Yahoo Group.  It is my opinion that this
group is very powerful, yet very small.  We cannont expect everyone to
come join this group and keep up on the myriad of discussions. There
aren't even 1,000 vlogs mapped yet (many are not part of this group),
BUT there is a large influx of viewers on VlogMap.  It would be nice
to get help in educating them.  I simply do not have ability to manage
all this, but they are here now.

The solution does not have to be VlogMap-based, but I'm not sure where
to begin the education process.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap







I'm not convinced that there is a problem besides the near
impossibility of searching these Yahoo archives. I don't find the
existence of the ubiquitous power-law distribution of post activity to
be cause for alarm.


David Meade wrote:
I'm not making a suggestion for change ... I'm asking
about impact of it.
  
  On 5/9/06, Charles
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David Meade wrote:
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  On 5/9/06, Andreas
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  If
people want to be heard they should post. There's no
need to ask for permission, just post. 
  
And yet this insight doesnt seem to do the trick.  So ... we're
left with the question that all this hostility is trying to dance
around: Given the fact that now nobody needs PERMISSION to post ...
would they feel more WELCOME to do so in a forum like environment.
  
  
   


Seems like rather a disruptive way to find out, no? So we tear down
this group, start a forum, shift everyone over, and then check to see
if we have more posters? If we have fewer, should we move back here?





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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

ok maybe I'm just in a bad mood and reading between the lines when I shouldn't be ... sorry.

However ... This topic has come up several times. And as Heath
points out, that wouldn't be the case if it were in fact the silliest
idea ever presented here ... clearly there are some pros to the idea.

And yet, each time it has come up, its been so immediately scoffed at,
flamed, and scolded *by the heavy contributors of this list* ... that
the real benefits to the lurkers never really gets a chance at honest
discussion ... an irony that really ticks me off.

*huff*huff*huff*
.. ok I'm gonna go take my 'meds' now.
- DaveOn 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

i apologize to Heath if my use of the word 'silly' hurt his feelings.

if that came off as harsh, it was not intended (he is our Batman geek,
after all).

i meant it light-heartedly and it clearly did not come across that way
to you david.

silly is not a word i consider 'harsh', but i will try to be more
careful with others in the future.

for the record, you can generally tell when I'm being harsh when I
punctuate my sentences with the words "dumb asshole" :)

David Meade wrote:

Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone
who was only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k
people, its the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users. That may
not be a problem, it's simply raised the quesiton" "is the current
format of the group contributing to the fact that there arent more new
names in active posters list".

Theres no reason to insult just because you dont see a problem with the
fact that the same people are contributing to the list ... some others
in this thread are simply asking "would we see more participation from
newer users and expand our network of friends if we were to present
this FLOOD of information in another way".

How can simply having that discussion warrant you ranking someones
opinion on it as the silliest thing you've ever read.

Vlogging about the yahoo group isn't likely to inspire lurkers to
become active. So what would? (I doubt them seeing people attack
perfectly reasonable discussion as 'the silliest thing' ever read is
going to do it)

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

I'm not making a suggestion for change ... I'm asking about impact of it.On 5/9/06, Charles HOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

David Meade wrote:
sigh

On 5/9/06, Andreas
Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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If
people want to be heard they should post. There's no
need to ask for permission, just post.

Seems like rather a disruptive way to find out, no? So we tear down
this group, start a forum, shift everyone over, and then check to see
if we have more posters? If we have fewer, should we move back here?

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David Meade wrote:
sigh 
  
  On 5/9/06, Andreas
Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
  If
people want to be heard they should post. There's no
need to ask for permission, just post. 
  
And yet this insight doesnt seem to do the trick.  So ... we're
left with the question that all this hostility is trying to dance
around: Given the fact that now nobody needs PERMISSION to post ...
would they feel more WELCOME to do so in a forum like environment.
  
  


Seems like rather a disruptive way to find out, no? So we tear down
this group, start a forum, shift everyone over, and then check to see
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You should try a threaded mail reader such as Thunderbird. Then you can
ignore the subjects that look boring.

Dennis Poulette wrote:

  
  
  I think the sheer number of
posts per day makes it hard to keep up with the group.  In my
situation, I was just a subscriber and checked the group online.  Then,
I subscribed to receive the digest, which is hard to respond to an
individual post.  Now, I receive every post as an email.  It's still
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

sigh On 5/9/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
a) It's not "old standards" who form the majority of the top 50 over thepast month. [*][*] A quick skim tells me that only 6 of the people on the top 50 list for
last month have been members of the group for 18 months (nov. 2004). (Jay,
Me, Steve Garfield, Deirdré, Josh Kinberg, Andrew Baron). That's not a lot
if you ask me. If you sort the member list by date joined you'll see all
sorts of really awesome people who are no longer posting (like Sean
Gillian and Lisa Harper).
You have a fairly restrictive view of 'old standards' ...

b) It only takes 6 e-mails to get on the famous top 50 list of internetfame. Whoopie.

ok ... only 6 ... and yet still it all very well known names.
Adjust your definition of old standards to people who have been active
for an entire year ... most of those names will be on it.
c) Even if it was, who cares? Exactly what would moving to a different
format change?
Thats a very good question. one we are trying to discuss. I dont see why people are insulting others.
If people want to be heard they should post. There's noneed to ask for permission, just post.

And yet this insight doesnt seem to do the trick. So ... we're
left with the question that all this hostility is trying to dance
around: Given the fact that now nobody needs PERMISSION to post ...
would they feel more WELCOME to do so in a forum like environment.
Or should there be created rulesalong the lines of "If you've been on the list for more than 18 months you
may only post twice per week"?
ok ... so far off the mark I'm not sure where to start with this.
The concern is NOT that old standards are posting to much, but rather
that newbies may feel too overwhelmed to join in as well.

I give up. apparently somewhere between 12months as a member and
18months as a member you stop enjoying discussion of new ideas.

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Andreas Haugstrup wrote:

  On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:52:34 +0200, Anne Walk  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
  
i have often thought that a forum would be better because things could be
listed by topic and it would be more searchable for people looking for
specific information. how many times have we had people come in here and  
ask
a question only to be flamed for not searching the group archives?

  
  
Never? People have been asked to search the archives. This won't change  
with a webbased forum. People still won't search the archives and they  
will still be told to search the archives.
  


At least with modern bbs software those archives will be reasonably
searchable. Yahoo group search is a fiasco. It's more pleasant to
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i apologize to Heath if my use of the word 'silly' hurt his feelings.  

if that came off as harsh, it was not intended (he is our Batman geek,
after all).  

i meant it light-heartedly and it clearly did not come across that way
to you david.

silly is not a word i consider 'harsh', but  i will try to be more
careful with others in the future.

for the record, you can generally tell when I'm being harsh when I
punctuate my sentences with the words "dumb asshole" :)




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Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone
who was only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k
people, its the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users.  That may
not be a problem, it's simply raised the quesiton" "is the current
format of the group contributing to the fact that there arent more new
names in active posters list".
  
  
Theres no reason to insult just because you dont see a problem with the
fact that the same people are contributing to the list ... some others
in this thread are simply asking "would we see more participation from
newer users and expand our network of friends if we were to present
this FLOOD of information in another way".
  
  
How can simply having that discussion warrant you ranking someones
opinion on it as the silliest thing you've ever read.
  
Vlogging about the yahoo group isn't likely to inspire lurkers to
become active.  So what would? (I doubt them seeing people attack
perfectly reasonable discussion as 'the silliest thing' ever read is
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:14:40 +0200, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
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> Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone who  
> was
> only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k people,  
> its
> the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users.  That may not be a
> problem, it's simply raised the quesiton" "is the current format of the
> group contributing to the fact that there arent more new names in active
> posters list".

a) It's not "old standards" who form the majority of the top 50 over the  
past month. [*]
b) It only takes 6 e-mails to get on the famous top 50 list of internet  
fame. Whoopie.
c) Even if it was, who cares? Exactly what would moving to a different  
format change? If people want to be heard they should post. There's no  
need to ask for permission, just post. Or should there be created rules  
along the lines of "If you've been on the list for more than 18 months you  
may only post twice per week"?

[*] A quick skim tells me that only 6 of the people on the top 50 list for  
last month have been members of the group for 18 months (nov. 2004). (Jay,  
Me, Steve Garfield, Deirdré, Josh Kinberg, Andrew Baron). That's not a lot  
if you ask me. If you sort the member list by date joined you'll see all  
sorts of really awesome people who are no longer posting (like Sean  
Gillian and Lisa Harper).

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On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and, yes suggesting that 'this group is not growing with the rest of
the group' was the silliest thing i had heard I'll avoid the temptation to start quoting obvious threads you've overlooked or blacked out  of your memory. :-P


i apologize for not picking one of your statements if that's what
bothering you (j/k)
Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone who was only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k people, its the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users.  That may not be a problem, it's simply raised the quesiton" "is the current format of the group contributing to the fact that there arent more new names in active posters list".
Theres no reason to insult just because you dont see a problem with the fact that the same people are contributing to the list ... some others in this thread are simply asking "would we see more participation from newer users and expand our network of friends if we were to present this FLOOD of information in another way".
How can simply having that discussion warrant you ranking someones opinion on it as the silliest thing you've ever read.Vlogging about the yahoo group isn't likely to inspire lurkers to become active.  So what would? (I doubt them seeing people attack perfectly reasonable discussion as 'the silliest thing' ever read is going to do it)
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David Meade wrote:

  
  
It's not the silliest thing, and if you frequent this mailing list ...
it cant be the silliest thing you've read.
  


i have read every message in this list for over a year
so, i guess i do frequent it
i did  actually  take  a moment  and consider before sending if it was
indeed  the  silliest thing I hah ever read
and, yes suggesting that 'this group is not growing with the rest of
the group' was the silliest thing i had heard 

i apologize for not picking one of your statements if that's what
bothering you (j/k)


No offense, but just because you don't think something should change
doesn't mean opinions to the contrary are silly or unfounded.  It just
means you dont wnat it to change. 


i  did not say that i did not want change.
in fact i even indicated several possible ways to change (vlog about
the topic and contribute to existing resources.  


going back to the original point however, i think that this group is
very dyanamic and there is no more of a gap between us than one would
expect from any group.


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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

Thanks David for bring this back on track and restating the original
question!

Side note to Markus... I did not just add that pin.  Maybe you did not
see it earlier due to the clustering of markers.  Anyways, I'm glad no
data was lost - make sure to claim that one.  Thanks again for the
feedback.

-Matt

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> This is clearly a great group, and has great information for those just
> starting.  No body is saying otherwise.  The simple question was
essentially
> 'is there a better way for this group to present that information to
make it
> more accessible" for those people who cant follow the topic...

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On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
no offense , but this is the silliest thing i've read yetoh well gee how could anyone take offense to that.It's not the silliest thing, and if you frequent this mailing list ... it cant be the silliest thing you've read.
No offense, but just because you don't think something should change doesn't mean opinions to the contrary are silly or unfounded. It just means you dont wnat it to change. Thats perfectly fine, but Heaths got a point, it wouldn't be an issue so often if there werent at least some good reasons out there to put the idea in peoples head.
There are clearly pros and cons to each model ... squashing discussion as if there aren't ... that is whats silly.This is clearly a great group, and has great information for those just starting. No body is saying otherwise. The simple question was essentially 'is there a better way for this group to present that information to make it more accessible" for those people who cant follow the topic well enough yet to be like you and join a dozen different groups to find the information.
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i was referring to the loss of the nodes on the map 

originally there  had been pin in ojai for the digital dojo 

when i checked the other  day, it was no longer there

i see that there is now a node101::ojai pin

thanks!


LeanBackVids.com wrote:

  
  
also, it seemed that the  node101 sites got lost in the shuffle


  
  
Not sure what you mean?  Node 101 was not part of the bottom home page
links, but that was a mistake.  I will add it now.

  
  
btw, here's a great video that discusses the effects of UI changes on 
communities



  
  http://sbforum.blogspot.com/2006/04/rob-kaye-watch-video-tag-sbforum.html
  
  
I'll watch...

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Devlon

As one of the chatty ones in the findings I'd like to add that not only is this group THE place to find help, hints, feedback or a good flaming...I find it to be THE only place to stay in touch my my videoblogging 'friends'
I am with Markus on this one.On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

no offense , but this is the silliest thing  i've read yet

this group grows, splits, morphs and changes so often it's ridiculous

i don't know about you, but i'm in at least a dozen groups related to 
vlogging and each  serves a different audience

this group may not be everything to everybody at all times, but i still 
think of it as 'home' and a great place for people to  start out

if we think that this  group should rise in the google search ranks, 
then we should  do something about it

it's easy, just vlog or blog about this group and that should do the trick

(note how ro's videoblogging-universe rose rapidly to the top 3 some 
time back just because a few people put his thumbs in their sidebars - 
that  was brilliant on his part)

if you think there is a need for a forum, then join one of the existing 
ones and contribute to it.  i recommend  contributing to JD's learning 
center at ourmedia.  i think that is one great resource.

Heath wrote:

>
>Um...if it comes up every 6 months or so, I would say that 
>something IS broke, and if this group, the one that is promoted on 
>almost every vlog site or at the very least the ones that are 
>considered the "fathers/mothers" of vlogging, shouldn't it grow with 
>the group as well?
>
>Heath - Batman Geek
>http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
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RE: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Dennis Poulette






I think the sheer number of posts per day makes it hard to 
keep up with the group.  In my situation, I was just a subscriber and 
checked the group online.  Then, I subscribed to receive the digest, which 
is hard to respond to an individual post.  Now, I receive every post as an 
email.  It's still overwhelming to look in your inbox and read 50 posts 
everyday.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill 
StreeterSent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PMTo: 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging 
The Gap
I don't think we need to mirgrate several thousand users--only the 
top 20 or so posters, and the rest will follow--if they're even paying 
attention. Just leave a sign on the front page and a few messages saying the 
conversation has moved and those that want to come along will. The moderator 
can also send out a message to those who have opted out of getting the 
emails. If you sign up and choose not to get the emails it's very easy to 
stay subscribed to the goup and forget about it. So I wouldn't guess that a 
large percentage of the "thousands" of subscribers are even paying 
attention. I've been a member of this group for over a year, but I didn't 
become active in it untill late last summer. I really didn't pay a whole lot 
of attention to what was going on here much prior to that for whatever 
reason. Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT 
LOUISwww.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike 
Moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I personally don't view/send 
these messages through email, I view it> through my browser. So for 
me, this is like a message forum. It's not>  nicely formatted 
like a message base, but I view it several times a> day, just like my 
other message bases.> > My point is, that the yahoo group allows 
people to view the messages> in several different methods. 
Convienence for everyone. > > With that said, we could do so much 
more in a real message base.> Posting pictures, posting links, visuals 
screenshots to help each> other, just do so much more. A message forum 
would be wonderful.> > Now, as Josh pointed out, how do we migrate 
1,000+ users?> > Mike> http://vlog.mikemoon.net> > 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, 
"LeanBackVids.com">  wrote:> >> 
> Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this> 
> Yahoo Group.  Here are the results...> > > > The 
last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April> 
> 20, 2006 (18.5 days)...> > > > Only 152 unique users 
posted (7% of the total 2,179 members).> > > > Here are the 
top 50 users by number of posts...> > > > 
80  Michael Sullivan> > 
50  Devlon> > 
43  Charles Iliya Krempeaux> > 
39  David Meade> > 
36  Markus Sandy> > 
35  Deirdre Straughan> > 
34  Michael Verdi> > 
27  Andy Carvin> > 
27  Casey McKinnon> > 
24  robert a/k/a r> > 
23  Anne Walk> > 
21  Harold Johnson> > 
20  Josh Leo> > 
19  Joshua Kinberg> > 
18  Enric> > 
17  David Howell> > 
17  Jen Simmons> > 
17  Stephanie Bryant> > 
16  andrew michael baron> > 
15  Andreas Haugstrup> > 
13  B Yen> > 
13  Bill Streeter> > 
13  Susan> > 
12  Gena> > 
12  Heath> > 
11  jonny goldstein> > 
11  usadutch2001> > 
10  Ted Tagami> > 
9  Chuck Olsen> > 
9  Paul Knight> > 
9  Steve Garfield> > 
8  Jan> > 8  
LeanBackVids.com> > 8  Mike 
Hudack> > 8  WWWhatsup> > 
7  Josh Wolf> > 
7  Randolfe Wicker> > 
7  Richard (Show) Hall> > 
7  Stan Hirson, Sarah J...> > 
6  Adam Quirk> > 
6  Jay dedman> > 
6  Mike Moon> > 
6  missbhavens1969> > 
6  Nathan Freitas> > 
6  Ron Watson> > 
6  Ryan Ozawa> > 
6  xicastmedia> > 
5  greendesertpro> > 
5  Michael Meiser> > 
5  Monique Danielle> > > > The 
point of all this?  To validate my concerns...> > > > 
It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the rest of> 
> the video blogging world.  Sure it is very tight-knit and 
friendly,> > but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 
participating> > members since last year.  There must be a 
way to bridge the gap> > between all the other vloggers.> > 
> > Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate 
representation, I> > can analyze more data, but I belie

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




no offense , but this is the silliest thing  i've read yet

this group grows, splits, morphs and changes so often it's ridiculous

i don't know about you, but i'm in at least a dozen groups related to 
vlogging and each  serves a different audience

this group may not be everything to everybody at all times, but i still 
think of it as 'home' and a great place for people to  start out



if we think that this  group should rise in the google search ranks, 
then we should  do something about it

it's easy, just vlog or blog about this group and that should do the trick

(note how ro's videoblogging-universe rose rapidly to the top 3 some 
time back just because a few people put his thumbs in their sidebars - 
that  was brilliant on his part)



if you think there is a need for a forum, then join one of the existing 
ones and contribute to it.  i recommend  contributing to JD's learning 
center at ourmedia.  i think that is one great resource.




Heath wrote:

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>Um...if it comes up every 6 months or so, I would say that 
>something IS broke, and if this group, the one that is promoted on 
>almost every vlog site or at the very least the ones that are 
>considered the "fathers/mothers" of vlogging, shouldn't it grow with 
>the group as well?
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




i  think you misunderstood matt

i don't have an issue with the stats.

there  was a minor change in the display and sometimes that's all it 
takes to break  a habit

(it might  have even been that  a cookie got reset - doesn't matter - it 
changed the user experience)

i  know  about the comparison.  it's not a feature that interests me. 

again, i think the site looks great





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>have an issue with the FeedBurner stats since the only changes have
>been improvements.  You can now see compare up to 10 vlogs of your
>choice and see each comparison (or an individual vlog) over various
>timeframes (24 hours to 1 year).  Note, none of the old features were
>removed.
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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




"Thrown out into the chaos and not properly received."

Yep, that sums up the recent launch.

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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

Response to each comment below...

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hmmm, you obviously left out the search words where  it  is in the
top 3 
> or 4
> 
> such as "videoblogging"
> 

That is a word that is probably much lower than vlog(s) and video
blog(s).  It is much more commone amongst the community members than
it is to the average Web user.  Also noote, "video blogging" does not
show the Yahoo Group in Google.

http://www.google.com/search?q=video%20blogging

> also, most of the top search results will lead you here very quickly 
> because of link love
> 
> one obvious exception: the new vlogmap seems to have far less links to 
> the "external" community on it's main pages
> 
> no obvious  badges, links , etc.  on front page
> 
> if it is so important for this group to be visible, why not point to it 
> more directly???
> 

The external community links have been added to the bottom of the home
page, exactly like the old site.  The badges were removed many months
ago due to the lollipop look.

The links were not removed to horde traffic.  I intended to build out
detailed pages with screenshots and photos for the handbook.  The
launch came a month early and it was a scramble to organize
everything.  I apologize for the unintentional diss.

http://community.vlogmap.org/

> i think vlogmap II looks fantastic, but i must admit I use it much less 
> since the changes (i was a daily user)
> 
> i'm not 100% sure why, but  i think it was mainly just small changes to 
> the feedburner stats page for me
> 

I'm very sorry you are no longer a regular visitor.  I'm surprise you
have an issue with the FeedBurner stats since the only changes have
been improvements.  You can now see compare up to 10 vlogs of your
choice and see each comparison (or an individual vlog) over various
timeframes (24 hours to 1 year).  Note, none of the old features were
removed.

http://community.vlogmap.org/feedburner

> also, it seemed that the  node101 sites got lost in the shuffle
> 

Not sure what you mean?  Node 101 was not part of the bottom home page
links, but that was a mistake.  I will add it now.

> btw, here's a great video that discusses the effects of UI changes on 
> communities
> 
>
http://sbforum.blogspot.com/2006/04/rob-kaye-watch-video-tag-sbforum.html
> 

I'll watch...

Thank you for your feedback!  I've made a point to address every issue
that has been presented (commented or emailed) to me.  This is the
quickest way to make the site better.

Sometimes, I'm too close to the development to see these issues.  

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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Bill Streeter




I don't think we need to mirgrate several thousand users--only the 
top 20 or so posters, and the rest will follow--if they're even 
paying attention. Just leave a sign on the front page and a few 
messages saying the conversation has moved and those that want to 
come along will. The moderator can also send out a message to those 
who have opted out of getting the emails. If you sign up and choose 
not to get the emails it's very easy to stay subscribed to the goup 
and forget about it. So I wouldn't guess that a large percentage of 
the "thousands" of subscribers are even paying attention. I've been 
a member of this group for over a year, but I didn't become active 
in it untill late last summer. I really didn't pay a whole lot of 
attention to what was going on here much prior to that for whatever 
reason. 

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I personally don't view/send these messages through email, I view 
it
> through my browser. So for me, this is like a message forum. It's 
not
>  nicely formatted like a message base, but I view it several times 
a
> day, just like my other message bases.
> 
> My point is, that the yahoo group allows people to view the 
messages
> in several different methods. Convienence for everyone. 
> 
> With that said, we could do so much more in a real message base.
> Posting pictures, posting links, visuals screenshots to help each
> other, just do so much more. A message forum would be wonderful.
> 
> Now, as Josh pointed out, how do we migrate 1,000+ users?
> 
> Mike
> http://vlog.mikemoon.net
> 
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this
> > Yahoo Group.  Here are the results...
> > 
> > The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to 
April
> > 20, 2006 (18.5 days)...
> > 
> > Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members).
> > 
> > Here are the top 50 users by number of posts...
> > 
> > 80  Michael Sullivan
> > 50  Devlon
> > 43  Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> > 39  David Meade
> > 36  Markus Sandy
> > 35  Deirdre Straughan
> > 34  Michael Verdi
> > 27  Andy Carvin
> > 27  Casey McKinnon
> > 24  robert a/k/a r
> > 23  Anne Walk
> > 21  Harold Johnson
> > 20  Josh Leo
> > 19  Joshua Kinberg
> > 18  Enric
> > 17  David Howell
> > 17  Jen Simmons
> > 17  Stephanie Bryant
> > 16  andrew michael baron
> > 15  Andreas Haugstrup
> > 13  B Yen
> > 13  Bill Streeter
> > 13  Susan
> > 12  Gena
> > 12  Heath
> > 11  jonny goldstein
> > 11  usadutch2001
> > 10  Ted Tagami
> > 9  Chuck Olsen
> > 9  Paul Knight
> > 9  Steve Garfield
> > 8  Jan
> > 8  LeanBackVids.com
> > 8  Mike Hudack
> > 8  WWWhatsup
> > 7  Josh Wolf
> > 7  Randolfe Wicker
> > 7  Richard (Show) Hall
> > 7  Stan Hirson, Sarah J...
> > 6  Adam Quirk
> > 6  Jay dedman
> > 6  Mike Moon
> > 6  missbhavens1969
> > 6  Nathan Freitas
> > 6  Ron Watson
> > 6  Ryan Ozawa
> > 6  xicastmedia
> > 5  greendesertpro
> > 5  Michael Meiser
> > 5  Monique Danielle
> > 
> > The point of all this?  To validate my concerns...
> > 
> > It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the 
rest of
> > the video blogging world.  Sure it is very tight-knit and 
friendly,
> > but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 
participating
> > members since last year.  There must be a way to bridge the gap
> > between all the other vloggers.
> > 
> > Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate 
representation, I
> > can analyze more data, but I believe that the trend will be the 
same.
> > 
> > -Matt
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> > http://ridertech.com
> > http://leanbackvids.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread BevSykes






>>ok just a warning... let's not start 
the "what shall we call it" conversation again... <<
 
ROFL.
 
If anybody has any interest, you must read http://www.geocities.com/bevsykes/Jan31.htm , 
which explains "juice and crackers," my philosophy of life, which I think is 
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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Heath

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > i think that people don't want to try any other format because 
they feel  
> > a
> > sense of ownership with this group...particularly the active 
posters. why
> > would you want to change something that is working for you?
> 

> A successfull move is a massive task (and it will most likely fail 
anyway,  
> this topic comes up every 6 months). The value gained has to match 
the  
> effort put in. That and "if it ain't broke..." like you point out.
> 
> -- 
> Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> http://www.solitude.dk/ >
> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
>

Um...if it comes up every 6 months or so, I would say that 
something IS broke, and if this group, the one that is promoted on 
almost every vlog site or at the very least the ones that are 
considered the "fathers/mothers" of vlogging, shouldn't it grow with 
the group as well?

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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Mike Moon




I personally don't view/send these messages through email, I view it
through my browser. So for me, this is like a message forum. It's not
 nicely formatted like a message base, but I view it several times a
day, just like my other message bases.

My point is, that the yahoo group allows people to view the messages
in several different methods. Convienence for everyone. 

With that said, we could do so much more in a real message base.
Posting pictures, posting links, visuals screenshots to help each
other, just do so much more. A message forum would be wonderful.

Now, as Josh pointed out, how do we migrate 1,000+ users?

Mike
http://vlog.mikemoon.net



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this
> Yahoo Group.  Here are the results...
> 
> The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April
> 20, 2006 (18.5 days)...
> 
> Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members).
> 
> Here are the top 50 users by number of posts...
> 
> 80  Michael Sullivan
> 50  Devlon
> 43  Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> 39  David Meade
> 36  Markus Sandy
> 35  Deirdre Straughan
> 34  Michael Verdi
> 27  Andy Carvin
> 27  Casey McKinnon
> 24  robert a/k/a r
> 23  Anne Walk
> 21  Harold Johnson
> 20  Josh Leo
> 19  Joshua Kinberg
> 18  Enric
> 17  David Howell
> 17  Jen Simmons
> 17  Stephanie Bryant
> 16  andrew michael baron
> 15  Andreas Haugstrup
> 13  B Yen
> 13  Bill Streeter
> 13  Susan
> 12  Gena
> 12  Heath
> 11  jonny goldstein
> 11  usadutch2001
> 10  Ted Tagami
> 9  Chuck Olsen
> 9  Paul Knight
> 9  Steve Garfield
> 8  Jan
> 8  LeanBackVids.com
> 8  Mike Hudack
> 8  WWWhatsup
> 7  Josh Wolf
> 7  Randolfe Wicker
> 7  Richard (Show) Hall
> 7  Stan Hirson, Sarah J...
> 6  Adam Quirk
> 6  Jay dedman
> 6  Mike Moon
> 6  missbhavens1969
> 6  Nathan Freitas
> 6  Ron Watson
> 6  Ryan Ozawa
> 6  xicastmedia
> 5  greendesertpro
> 5  Michael Meiser
> 5  Monique Danielle
> 
> The point of all this?  To validate my concerns...
> 
> It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the rest of
> the video blogging world.  Sure it is very tight-knit and friendly,
> but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 participating
> members since last year.  There must be a way to bridge the gap
> between all the other vloggers.
> 
> Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate representation, I
> can analyze more data, but I believe that the trend will be the same.
> 
> -Matt
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> http://ridertech.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




I had a hard time finding the maps at first...so many links so many features, i was overloaded i guessOn 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <
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or 4such as "videoblogging"also, most of the top search results will lead you here very quicklybecause of link loveone obvious exception: the new vlogmap seems to have far less links to
the "external" community on it's main pagesno obvious  badges, links , etc.  on front pageif it is so important for this group to be visible, why not point to itmore directly???i think vlogmap II looks fantastic, but i must admit I use it much less
since the changes (i was a daily user)i'm not 100% sure why, but  i think it was mainly just small changes tothe feedburner stats page for mealso, it seemed that the  node101 sites got lost in the shuffle
btw, here's a great video that discusses the effects of UI changes oncommunitieshttp://sbforum.blogspot.com/2006/04/rob-kaye-watch-video-tag-sbforum.html
LeanBackVids.com wrote:>My point is that the Yahoo Group is small, hidden and not gear for>non-vloggers.>>There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the
>group, but it does not have enough exposure.  Search 'vlog', 'vlogs',>'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up.>>--Markus Sandy
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hmmm, you obviously left out the search words where  it  is in the top 3 
or 4

such as "videoblogging"

also, most of the top search results will lead you here very quickly 
because of link love

one obvious exception: the new vlogmap seems to have far less links to 
the "external" community on it's main pages

no obvious  badges, links , etc.  on front page

if it is so important for this group to be visible, why not point to it 
more directly???

i think vlogmap II looks fantastic, but i must admit I use it much less 
since the changes (i was a daily user)

i'm not 100% sure why, but  i think it was mainly just small changes to 
the feedburner stats page for me

also, it seemed that the  node101 sites got lost in the shuffle

btw, here's a great video that discusses the effects of UI changes on 
communities

http://sbforum.blogspot.com/2006/04/rob-kaye-watch-video-tag-sbforum.html




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>My point is that the Yahoo Group is small, hidden and not gear for
>non-vloggers.
>
>There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the
>group, but it does not have enough exposure.  Search 'vlog', 'vlogs',
>'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:52:34 +0200, Anne Walk  
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> i have often thought that a forum would be better because things could be
> listed by topic and it would be more searchable for people looking for
> specific information. how many times have we had people come in here and  
> ask
> a question only to be flamed for not searching the group archives?

Never? People have been asked to search the archives. This won't change  
with a webbased forum. People still won't search the archives and they  
will still be told to search the archives.

> i think that most members don't post for a couple of reasons.

I'd like to make an open invitation to all lurkers to post about why they  
don't post to this group. That's more accurate than guessing. :o)

> i think that people don't want to try any other format because they feel  
> a
> sense of ownership with this group...particularly the active posters. why
> would you want to change something that is working for you?

A successfull move is a massive task (and it will most likely fail anyway,  
this topic comes up every 6 months). The value gained has to match the  
effort put in. That and "if it ain't broke..." like you point out.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Anne Walk




i read this list (and sometimes participate) because it comes to my mailbox.i have often thought that a forum would be better because things could be listed by topic and it would be more searchable for people looking for specific information. how many times have we had people come in here and ask a question only to be flamed for not searching the group archives?
i think that most members don't post for a couple of reasons. one is that the discussions aren't always conducive to new participation (inside stuff) or overly technical for beginners. newcomers are not privy to the unwritten protocols of the room and are often accused of spamming or are just ignored. another is that a huge percentage of the population doesn't participate in anything! they are the 'read-onlies'. 
i think that people don't want to try any other format because they feel a sense of ownership with this group...particularly the active posters. why would you want to change something that is working for you?
and, yes, josh. it's true. if there was a forum to start up, it would only succeed if it was set up by the vlogging establishment. even then, folks are pretty entrenched in their habits.
On 5/9/06, Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's the classic 80/20 rule, some may come to the site to join justto plug something and then you never hear from them again, some aredaunted by the tech know how, some may just enjoy the ranting of abunch of "slightly off" persons.  :)  But I know I would like a
more type of forum thing and I do remember you plugging the forumsyou created, I think for some it may be that they don't want to haveto travel to different sites, once they are hear.  I think some ofthe issue with the forum idea that you had, was who else was plugging
it?  Was there a link on freevlog, and vloggercon or even in thisgroup on the main page.I know that I would like something like a forum listing, (I meant togo back to yours but it got lost in the suffle) where various topics
could be addressed rather quickly and easily, David's was pretty goodI thought, and from what I remember usadutch2001's was pretty coollookingI don't know people are lurkers by nature I think, only the "alphas"
have the thick skin to withstand some of the heat that comes withthis group sometimes  :)  That and to be honest most of the timewhat really gets this group going is very "techie" issues and ideas
that I think that most of the users on this group have NO IDEA whatyou guys and gals are talking aboutI know it is over my headsometimes...ok most of the time.Heath - Batman Geek
http://batmangeek7.blogspot.co,--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "usadutch2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> I was a lurker a long time because the technical level was byond my
> comfort. I bet there are a lot of lurkers just enjoying every> conversation.>> I think this groups must stay the way it is, a discussion group.>> And to answers Josh question, I did try to plug a forum with RSS
feed,> email-messaging with new topics, embeded video, and lots offunctions> you will not find in other forums that are geared towards our media.> But the result? Just 14 member and 2 Yes 2 posts from others.
>> I have no clue how to get people more involved and what the setupmust be.>> And what about Vlogchallenge? A great oportunity for vloggers to> explore new things.. Try some new ideas but there is no
participation.>> Should we start over and call vlogging something else likeVlogcasting?>> Now up my number with 1 again. :)>> Blips> 
http://vlogassist.com> http://vlogmatic.com>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Leo"  wrote:
> >> > I hate to say this, but I think that a message board format maycome in> > handy to keep one community with separate groups/cliques> >> > But ideally it would be great to have an email or RSS feature
> also... I want> > to be able to keep up with things going on but i don't want tohave> to visit> > a message board every day... right now we have multiple groups> (languages,
> > content, theory, node101, fireant, etc...)> >> > I think that one space with divisions is better than multiple> spaces... and> > it may be less intimidating for newbies...
> >> > but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap> forums...> > hmmm> >> > anyway... those are my thoughts> >> > On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com
  wrote:> > >> > > Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use ofthis> > > Yahoo Group.  Here are the results...> > >> > > The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to
April> > > 20, 2006 (18.5 days)...> > >> > > Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members).> > >> > > Here are the top 50 users by number of posts...
> > >> > > 80  Michael Sullivan> > > 50  Devlon> > > 43  Charles Iliya Krempeaux> > > 39  David Meade> > > 36  Markus Sandy
> > > 35  Deirdre Straughan> > > 34  Michael Verdi> > > 27  Andy Carvin> > > 27  Casey McKinnon> > > 24

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




I didn't even know what that was... adding a book, had no idea what that meant...plus I think peolpe see vlogmap as the mapping site that is it... adding tutorials, forums, etc seems out of the realm of vlog MAP... that is just my first perception... the launch was not as clear...didn't realize the user base etc
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Because I think the "general discussion" of the Yahoo Group is toomuch and the group is not very inviting new members or non-vloggers.It is my opinion that forums should be broken down into sub-topics so
that users can pay attention to the things they are interested in (orunderstand).As for linking to Yahoo (and others), I'm hoping to build out acomplete "video blogging handbook".  Any registered user can create a
new pages, yet not a single user has tried.The amount of work it took to get the new site up combined by the lackof community support has taken its toll on my motivation.  I havehopes of building many more tools/features, but we'll see.
Again, I'm not sure how to gear the site toward the 80% non-vloggersyet satisfy the 20% of vloggers (who VlogMap relies on for content).-Matt--- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:32:35 +0200, LeanBackVids.com> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> > There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the
> > group, but it does not have enough exposure.  Search 'vlog', 'vlogs',> > 'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up.> >> > > >
> > VlogMap gets a shit load of traffic from search engines and> > international media articles.  Most of the visitors are visiting to> > watch vlogs or find out more about vlogging.>
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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




Exactly Bill

I have it ready to go. Need to do a few tweaks to get it show up in
the menu but that's it. There are a few diferent plugins I have
choosen the one you can build the RSS feed yourself meaning choose
your own topics and timeline.

It is already build into the forum but is not activated yet, I think i
will do that tonight so people can try it.

blips
http://vlogassist.com
http://vlogmatic.com


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Streeter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There is a RSS plugin for PHPbb that does this. Creates an RSS feed 
> for every forum and every topic. I saw it in the mods database at 
> the PHPbb.com.
> 
> Bill Streeter
> LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
> www.lofistl.com
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Carvin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > as long as there was rss for each sub-community, as well as an
> > uber-rss for the whole shebang, i'd be okay with it. As it is, I 
> don't
> > receive list messages via email - I stick with rss to keep my inbox
> > nice and clean. -ac
> > 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, I think I agree with Josh.  I think part of the issue is 
> the
> > volume of
> > > traffic in this list can be daunting.  New folks become lurkers
> > because they
> > > cant possible catch/keep up :-P
> > > 
> > > A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the
> > more brave
> > > could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great.  If 
> we
> > could
> > > have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community 
> experience
> > > wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see
> > everything in
> > > one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more 
> willing to
> > > post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know 
> everything
> > > anyway.
> > > 
> > > I always though a forum system with the following topics would 
> be good:
> > > 
> > >    - FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise)
> > >    - Events and Meetups
> > >    - Videoblogging in the news
> > > 
> > > 
> > >    - Cameras and Hardware
> > >    - Editing and Compression
> > >    - Blogs and Hosting
> > >    - RSS and Publication
> > >    - Aggregators and Readers
> > >    - Other Support / Technical Help
> > > 
> > > 
> > >    - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!)
> > >    - Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights 
> you
> > >    violate.)
> > >    - Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, 
> or issues
> > >    vloggers can impact.)
> > >    - The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via 
> Vlogging.)
> > > 
> > > 
> > >    - General / Off Topic chit chat.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >    - Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe 
> to the
> > > entire forum (or subsets) via RSS.
> > > 
> > > - Dave
> > > http://www.davidmeade.com
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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

Because I think the "general discussion" of the Yahoo Group is too
much and the group is not very inviting new members or non-vloggers.

It is my opinion that forums should be broken down into sub-topics so
that users can pay attention to the things they are interested in (or
understand).

As for linking to Yahoo (and others), I'm hoping to build out a
complete "video blogging handbook".  Any registered user can create a
new pages, yet not a single user has tried.

The amount of work it took to get the new site up combined by the lack
of community support has taken its toll on my motivation.  I have
hopes of building many more tools/features, but we'll see.

Again, I'm not sure how to gear the site toward the 80% non-vloggers
yet satisfy the 20% of vloggers (who VlogMap relies on for content).

-Matt

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>
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:32:35 +0200, LeanBackVids.com  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the
> > group, but it does not have enough exposure.  Search 'vlog', 'vlogs',
> > 'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up.
> >
> > 
> >
> > VlogMap gets a shit load of traffic from search engines and
> > international media articles.  Most of the visitors are visiting to
> > watch vlogs or find out more about vlogging.
> 
> Why don't you link to the Yahoo group then? :o)
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




this is exactly what will not make something take off the "go ahead do your own thing" does not work when it is in reference to a community resource, there has to be mass adoption
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:32:35 +0200, LeanBackVids.com  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the
> group, but it does not have enough exposure.  Search 'vlog', 'vlogs',
> 'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up.
>
> 
>
> VlogMap gets a shit load of traffic from search engines and
> international media articles.  Most of the visitors are visiting to
> watch vlogs or find out more about vlogging.

Why don't you link to the Yahoo group then? :o)

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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

My point is that the Yahoo Group is small, hidden and not gear for
non-vloggers.

There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the
group, but it does not have enough exposure.  Search 'vlog', 'vlogs',
'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up.

VlogMap gets a shit load of traffic from search engines and
international media articles.  Most of the visitors are visiting to
watch vlogs or find out more about vlogging.

I feel VlogMap has a responsibility to meet the needs of this
majority, yet I'm not sure how to proceed if the community is not
behind it.  I would love to get the community's help, but it sounds
like some are concerned about driving traffic to another site.

Each forum on VlogMap does have an RSS feed, and there is an uber RSS
feed for the site (including new vlogs and geovlogged videos).

Here you go Josh and Markus... just in case you could find it. (sarcasm)

http://community.vlogmap.org/forum

-Matt

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>
> that  thought  hit me too
> 
> i'm sure blips will jump in on that topic too  ;)
> 
> 
> Josh Leo wrote:
> 
> >
> > but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap 
> > forums... hmmm
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




Yeah it also creates a feed for the most recent posts in and across all public forums/topics ... the 'uber-feed'.On 5/9/06, Bill Streeter <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:There is a RSS plugin for PHPbb that does this. Creates an RSS feed
for every forum and every topic. I saw it in the mods database atthe PHPbb.com.Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com--- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Carvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> as long as there was rss for each sub-community, as well as an> uber-rss for the whole shebang, i'd be okay with it. As it is, I
don't> receive list messages via email - I stick with rss to keep my inbox> nice and clean. -ac>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" <
meade.dave@>> wrote:> >> > Yeah, I think I agree with Josh.  I think part of the issue isthe> volume of> > traffic in this list can be daunting.  New folks become lurkers
> because they> > cant possible catch/keep up :-P> >> > A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the> more brave> > could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great.  If
we> could> > have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the communityexperience> > wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see> everything in> > one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more
willing to> > post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to knoweverything> > anyway.> >> > I always though a forum system with the following topics wouldbe good:
> >> >- FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise)> >- Events and Meetups> >- Videoblogging in the news> >> >> >- Cameras and Hardware
> >- Editing and Compression> >- Blogs and Hosting> >- RSS and Publication> >- Aggregators and Readers> >- Other Support / Technical Help> >
> >> >- Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!)> >- Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rightsyou> >violate.)> >- Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers,
or issues> >vloggers can impact.)> >- The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising viaVlogging.)> >> >> >- General / Off Topic chit chat.> >
> >> >- Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging)> >> >> > And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribeto the> > entire forum (or subsets) via RSS.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Peter Van Dijck

It seems to me that:

1) Those numbers are great! No bad news there.2) If anyone wants to start a forum, great! The more the better. Maybe it'll take off..
3) It's all good news.

Perhaps I'm just an optimist.

>From the analysis there was some concern about reaching beginning/shy
vloggers. That I understand. There are a lot of things you could do...
I for one am still waiting for some entity to start publishing lotsa
written tutorials (freevlog is brilliant but I want it in written form
as well as videos). This is still a small community, enjoy the ride :)

Peter

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Plug? HAHAHA! I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks.Considering most vloggers haven't even attempted to claim their vloglisting on the new VlogMap, I'm not really concerned about pluggingthe forums.
I'll admit, I thought adding forums to VlogMap would be an addedservice. The goal was to provide another connection point forinternational vloggers and those interested in video blogging.However, the reality is that VlogMap gets 80-90% non-vlogger traffic.
Most people come from searching Google, yet they still seem to beconfused about what vlogging is.Many of the visitors are from outside the US. Many are visiting tofind videos. Most are not vloggers. That does provide a good
opportunity for those listed to reap traffic. Andy Carvin has mappeda ton of videos and has probably seen a slight increase in traffic.Anyways, I'm not sure how to continue... it is hard to develop tools

for the community (minority) yet focus on the viewers (majority).That being said, the future of VlogMap is in the community's hands.If users don't add vlogs/geovlogs then it will go stale. If usersdon't moderate the listings, it may get filled w/ junk.
As for the forums and handbook, they may get pulled down since nobodyis using them. Participating would plug yourself. VlogMap operateson a $0 budget and makes $0. My only goal is to better the community
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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Bill Streeter




There is a RSS plugin for PHPbb that does this. Creates an RSS feed 
for every forum and every topic. I saw it in the mods database at 
the PHPbb.com.

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Carvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> as long as there was rss for each sub-community, as well as an
> uber-rss for the whole shebang, i'd be okay with it. As it is, I 
don't
> receive list messages via email - I stick with rss to keep my inbox
> nice and clean. -ac
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I think I agree with Josh.  I think part of the issue is 
the
> volume of
> > traffic in this list can be daunting.  New folks become lurkers
> because they
> > cant possible catch/keep up :-P
> > 
> > A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the
> more brave
> > could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great.  If 
we
> could
> > have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community 
experience
> > wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see
> everything in
> > one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more 
willing to
> > post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know 
everything
> > anyway.
> > 
> > I always though a forum system with the following topics would 
be good:
> > 
> >    - FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise)
> >    - Events and Meetups
> >    - Videoblogging in the news
> > 
> > 
> >    - Cameras and Hardware
> >    - Editing and Compression
> >    - Blogs and Hosting
> >    - RSS and Publication
> >    - Aggregators and Readers
> >    - Other Support / Technical Help
> > 
> > 
> >    - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!)
> >    - Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights 
you
> >    violate.)
> >    - Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, 
or issues
> >    vloggers can impact.)
> >    - The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via 
Vlogging.)
> > 
> > 
> >    - General / Off Topic chit chat.
> > 
> > 
> >    - Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging)
> > 
> > 
> > And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe 
to the
> > entire forum (or subsets) via RSS.
> > 
> > - Dave
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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Andy Carvin




as long as there was rss for each sub-community, as well as an
uber-rss for the whole shebang, i'd be okay with it. As it is, I don't
receive list messages via email - I stick with rss to keep my inbox
nice and clean. -ac

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, I think I agree with Josh.  I think part of the issue is the
volume of
> traffic in this list can be daunting.  New folks become lurkers
because they
> cant possible catch/keep up :-P
> 
> A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the
more brave
> could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great.  If we
could
> have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community experience
> wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see
everything in
> one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to
> post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything
> anyway.
> 
> I always though a forum system with the following topics would be good:
> 
>    - FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise)
>    - Events and Meetups
>    - Videoblogging in the news
> 
> 
>    - Cameras and Hardware
>    - Editing and Compression
>    - Blogs and Hosting
>    - RSS and Publication
>    - Aggregators and Readers
>    - Other Support / Technical Help
> 
> 
>    - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!)
>    - Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights you
>    violate.)
>    - Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues
>    vloggers can impact.)
>    - The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.)
> 
> 
>    - General / Off Topic chit chat.
> 
> 
>    - Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging)
> 
> 
> And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe to the
> entire forum (or subsets) via RSS.
> 
> - Dave
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap




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ok just a warning... let's not start the "what shall we call it" conversation again... if we as a community want to use a forum instead of the list, a lot of changes need to happen and a lot of habits need to change... how would we make a group of thousands switch?
For a while anyway, both would surely co-exist.  But if such a forum system had an easy public RSS feed ... there's no reason the group of thousands couldnt subscribe to it ... the usage would naturally move over time to which ever turned out the be most used in actual practice.
Such an RSS feed could also be used with any of the rss->email services to give a nearly identical feel to our current system. (with the exception of actual posting would have to be done via the web)
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[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

2006-05-09 Thread Heath




It's the classic 80/20 rule, some may come to the site to join just 
to plug something and then you never hear from them again, some are 
daunted by the tech know how, some may just enjoy the ranting of a 
bunch of "slightly off" persons.  :)  But I know I would like a 
more type of forum thing and I do remember you plugging the forums 
you created, I think for some it may be that they don't want to have 
to travel to different sites, once they are hear.  I think some of 
the issue with the forum idea that you had, was who else was plugging 
it?  Was there a link on freevlog, and vloggercon or even in this 
group on the main page.  

I know that I would like something like a forum listing, (I meant to 
go back to yours but it got lost in the suffle) where various topics 
could be addressed rather quickly and easily, David's was pretty good 
I thought, and from what I remember usadutch2001's was pretty cool 
looking

I don't know people are lurkers by nature I think, only the "alphas" 
have the thick skin to withstand some of the heat that comes with 
this group sometimes  :)  That and to be honest most of the time 
what really gets this group going is very "techie" issues and ideas 
that I think that most of the users on this group have NO IDEA what 
you guys and gals are talking aboutI know it is over my head 
sometimes...ok most of the time.

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wrote:
>
> I was a lurker a long time because the technical level was byond my
> comfort. I bet there are a lot of lurkers just enjoying every
> conversation. 
> 
> I think this groups must stay the way it is, a discussion group.
> 
> And to answers Josh question, I did try to plug a forum with RSS 
feed,
> email-messaging with new topics, embeded video, and lots of 
functions
> you will not find in other forums that are geared towards our media.
> But the result? Just 14 member and 2 Yes 2 posts from others.
> 
> I have no clue how to get people more involved and what the setup 
must be.
> 
> And what about Vlogchallenge? A great oportunity for vloggers to
> explore new things.. Try some new ideas but there is no 
participation.
> 
> Should we start over and call vlogging something else like 
Vlogcasting? 
> 
> Now up my number with 1 again. :)
> 
> Blips 
> http://vlogassist.com
> http://vlogmatic.com
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Leo"  wrote:
> >
> > I hate to say this, but I think that a message board format may 
come in
> > handy to keep one community with separate groups/cliques
> > 
> > But ideally it would be great to have an email or RSS feature
> also... I want
> > to be able to keep up with things going on but i don't want to 
have
> to visit
> > a message board every day... right now we have multiple groups
> (languages,
> > content, theory, node101, fireant, etc...)
> > 
> > I think that one space with divisions is better than multiple
> spaces... and
> > it may be less intimidating for newbies...
> > 
> > but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap
> forums...
> > hmmm
> > 
> > anyway... those are my thoughts
> > 
> > On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com  wrote:
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of 
this
> > > Yahoo Group.  Here are the results...
> > >
> > > The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to 
April
> > > 20, 2006 (18.5 days)...
> > >
> > > Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members).
> > >
> > > Here are the top 50 users by number of posts...
> > >
> > > 80  Michael Sullivan
> > > 50  Devlon
> > > 43  Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> > > 39  David Meade
> > > 36  Markus Sandy
> > > 35  Deirdre Straughan
> > > 34  Michael Verdi
> > > 27  Andy Carvin
> > > 27  Casey McKinnon
> > > 24  robert a/k/a r
> > > 23  Anne Walk
> > > 21  Harold Johnson
> > > 20  Josh Leo
> > > 19  Joshua Kinberg
> > > 18  Enric
> > > 17  David Howell
> > > 17  Jen Simmons
> > > 17  Stephanie Bryant
> > > 16  andrew michael baron
> > > 15  Andreas Haugstrup
> > > 13  B Yen
> > > 13  Bill Streeter
> > > 13  Susan
> > > 12  Gena
> > > 12  Heath
> > > 11  jonny goldstein
> > > 11  usadutch2001
> > > 10  Ted Tagami
> > > 9   Chuck Olsen
> > > 9   Paul Knight
> > > 9   Steve Garfield
> > > 8   Jan
> > > 8   LeanBackVids.com
> > > 8   Mike Hudack
> > > 8   WWWhatsup
> > > 7   Josh Wolf
> > > 7   Randolfe Wicker
> > > 7   Richard (Show) Hall
> > > 7   Stan Hirson, Sarah J...
> > > 6   Adam Quirk
> > > 6   Jay dedman
> > > 6   Mike Moon
> > > 6   missbhavens1969
> > > 6   Nathan Freitas
> > > 6   Ron Watson
> > > 6   Ryan Ozawa
> > > 6   xicastmedia
> > > 5   greendesertpro
> > > 5   Michael Meiser
> > > 5   Monique Daniell

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as they say: "no good deed goes unpunished"

;)

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  Plug? HAHAHA!  I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks.


-Matt


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I'm just messin with ya Matt...I plan on geovlogging a lot more of my videos...does vlogmap get found a lot by the people searching for things like "nude vlog" 'Naked cat videos" etc cause I know that I get a lot of that kind of traffic... in addition to all the people searching for how to peel a mango and hitler's eagles nest...
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Plug? HAHAHA! I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks.Considering most vloggers haven't even attempted to claim their vloglisting on the new VlogMap, I'm not really concerned about pluggingthe forums.
I'll admit, I thought adding forums to VlogMap would be an addedservice. The goal was to provide another connection point forinternational vloggers and those interested in video blogging.However, the reality is that VlogMap gets 80-90% non-vlogger traffic.
Most people come from searching Google, yet they still seem to beconfused about what vlogging is.Many of the visitors are from outside the US. Many are visiting tofind videos. Most are not vloggers. That does provide a good
opportunity for those listed to reap traffic. Andy Carvin has mappeda ton of videos and has probably seen a slight increase in traffic.Anyways, I'm not sure how to continue... it is hard to develop tools
for the community (minority) yet focus on the viewers (majority).That being said, the future of VlogMap is in the community's hands.If users don't add vlogs/geovlogs then it will go stale. If usersdon't moderate the listings, it may get filled w/ junk.
As for the forums and handbook, they may get pulled down since nobodyis using them. Participating would plug yourself. VlogMap operateson a $0 budget and makes $0. My only goal is to better the community
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Sad thing is that I don't think it is a matter of a space being created as much as it is the group movement to use that space... A good forum on freevlog.org, 
node101.org, videoblogging.info with the support of everyone...I hate to say it, but if we were to decide to abandon yahoo, we would need the "big names" to start pointing everyone to the forum, all the vlog-blogs, the tutorials, the meetups, the presentations, software pages, services, and sidebar links need to support a change... not just someone saying "hey i made this come over here"
On 5/9/06, usadutch2001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David;Exactly what is going on at VlogAssist.com it is so close to your listand YES is has RSS for members to subscribe to every topic or tochoosen topics.Maybe a little tweak to the topics and its a done deal.
Blipshttp://vlogassist.com Vlogging resourceshttp:/vlogmatic.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> Yeah, I think I agree with Josh.  I think part of the issue is thevolume of> traffic in this list can be daunting.  New folks become lurkersbecause they> cant possible catch/keep up :-P
>> A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and themore brave> could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great.  If wecould> have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community experience
> wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still seeeverything in> one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to> post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything
> anyway.>> I always though a forum system with the following topics would be good:>>- FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise)>- Events and Meetups>- Videoblogging in the news
>>>- Cameras and Hardware>- Editing and Compression>- Blogs and Hosting>- RSS and Publication>- Aggregators and Readers>- Other Support / Technical Help
>>>- Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!)>- Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights you>violate.)>- Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues
>vloggers can impact.)>- The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.)>>>- General / Off Topic chit chat.>>>- Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging)
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Awesome, Blips.  I've been there a few times but didnt see an RSS button.  Is there a public feed?I guess from "David's Perfect World", the feed would be public - anyone could view the topics, but they'd have to be members to post/reply (just like the yahoo group)
- DaveOn 5/9/06, usadutch2001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David;Exactly what is going on at VlogAssist.com it is so close to your listand YES is has RSS for members to subscribe to every topic or tochoosen topics.Maybe a little tweak to the topics and its a done deal.
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> wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still seeeverything in> one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to> post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything
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>>>- Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!)>- Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights you>violate.)>- Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues
>vloggers can impact.)>- The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.)>>>- General / Off Topic chit chat.>>>- Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging)
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Plug? HAHAHA!  I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks.

Considering most vloggers haven't even attempted to claim their vlog
listing on the new VlogMap, I'm not really concerned about plugging
the forums.

I'll admit, I thought adding forums to VlogMap would be an added
service.  The goal was to provide another connection point for
international vloggers and those interested in video blogging.

However, the reality is that VlogMap gets 80-90% non-vlogger traffic.
 Most people come from searching Google, yet they still seem to be
confused about what vlogging is.

Many of the visitors are from outside the US.  Many are visiting to
find videos.  Most are not vloggers.  That does provide a good
opportunity for those listed to reap traffic.  Andy Carvin has mapped
a ton of videos and has probably seen a slight increase in traffic.

Anyways, I'm not sure how to continue... it is hard to develop tools
for the community (minority) yet focus on the viewers (majority).

That being said, the future of VlogMap is in the community's hands. 
If users don't add vlogs/geovlogs then it will go stale.  If users
don't moderate the listings, it may get filled w/ junk.

As for the forums and handbook, they may get pulled down since nobody
is using them.  Participating would plug yourself.  VlogMap operates
on a $0 budget and makes $0.  My only goal is to better the community
and provide useful/fun tools for vloggers.

Sorry that is seen as a plug.
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ok just a warning... let's not start the "what shall we call it" conversation again... if we as a community want to use a forum instead of the list, a lot of changes need to happen and a lot of habits need to change... how would we make a group of thousands switch?
On 5/9/06, usadutch2001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I was a lurker a long time because the technical level was byond mycomfort. I bet there are a lot of lurkers just enjoying everyconversation.I think this groups must stay the way it is, a discussion group.
And to answers Josh question, I did try to plug a forum with RSS feed,email-messaging with new topics, embeded video, and lots of functionsyou will not find in other forums that are geared towards our media.
But the result? Just 14 member and 2 Yes 2 posts from others.I have no clue how to get people more involved and what the setup must be.And what about Vlogchallenge? A great oportunity for vloggers to
explore new things.. Try some new ideas but there is no participation.Should we start over and call vlogging something else like Vlogcasting?Now up my number with 1 again. :)Blips
http://vlogassist.comhttp://vlogmatic.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Leo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I hate to say this, but I think that a message board format may come in> handy to keep one community with separate groups/cliques>> But ideally it would be great to have an email or RSS feature
also... I want> to be able to keep up with things going on but i don't want to haveto visit> a message board every day... right now we have multiple groups(languages,> content, theory, node101, fireant, etc...)
>> I think that one space with divisions is better than multiplespaces... and> it may be less intimidating for newbies...>> but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap
forums...> hmmm>> anyway... those are my thoughts>> On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this
> > Yahoo Group.  Here are the results...> >> > The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April> > 20, 2006 (18.5 days)...> >> > Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members).
> >> > Here are the top 50 users by number of posts...> >> > 80  Michael Sullivan> > 50  Devlon> > 43  Charles Iliya Krempeaux> > 39  David Meade
> > 36  Markus Sandy> > 35  Deirdre Straughan> > 34  Michael Verdi> > 27  Andy Carvin> > 27  Casey McKinnon> > 24  robert a/k/a r> > 23  Anne Walk
> > 21  Harold Johnson> > 20  Josh Leo> > 19  Joshua Kinberg> > 18  Enric> > 17  David Howell> > 17  Jen Simmons> > 17  Stephanie Bryant
> > 16  andrew michael baron> > 15  Andreas Haugstrup> > 13  B Yen> > 13  Bill Streeter> > 13  Susan> > 12  Gena> > 12  Heath
> > 11  jonny goldstein> > 11  usadutch2001> > 10  Ted Tagami> > 9   Chuck Olsen> > 9   Paul Knight> > 9   Steve Garfield> > 8   Jan
> > 8   LeanBackVids.com> > 8   Mike Hudack> > 8   WWWhatsup> > 7   Josh Wolf> > 7   Randolfe Wicker> > 7   Richard (Show) Hall> > 7   Stan Hirson, Sarah J...
> > 6   Adam Quirk> > 6   Jay dedman> > 6   Mike Moon> > 6   missbhavens1969> > 6   Nathan Freitas> > 6   Ron Watson> > 6   Ryan Ozawa
> > 6   xicastmedia> > 5   greendesertpro> > 5   Michael Meiser> > 5   Monique Danielle> >> > The point of all this?  To validate my concerns...
> >> > It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the rest of> > the video blogging world.  Sure it is very tight-knit and friendly,> > but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 participating
> > members since last year.  There must be a way to bridge the gap> > between all the other vloggers.> >> > Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate representation, I
> > can analyze more data, but I believe that the trend will be the same.> >> > -Matt> > ---> > http://vlogmap.org> > 
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David;

Exactly what is going on at VlogAssist.com it is so close to your list
and YES is has RSS for members to subscribe to every topic or to
choosen topics.

Maybe a little tweak to the topics and its a done deal.

Blips
http://vlogassist.com Vlogging resources
http:/vlogmatic.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, I think I agree with Josh.  I think part of the issue is the
volume of
> traffic in this list can be daunting.  New folks become lurkers
because they
> cant possible catch/keep up :-P
> 
> A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the
more brave
> could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great.  If we
could
> have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community experience
> wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see
everything in
> one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to
> post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything
> anyway.
> 
> I always though a forum system with the following topics would be good:
> 
>    - FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise)
>    - Events and Meetups
>    - Videoblogging in the news
> 
> 
>    - Cameras and Hardware
>    - Editing and Compression
>    - Blogs and Hosting
>    - RSS and Publication
>    - Aggregators and Readers
>    - Other Support / Technical Help
> 
> 
>    - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!)
>    - Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights you
>    violate.)
>    - Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues
>    vloggers can impact.)
>    - The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.)
> 
> 
>    - General / Off Topic chit chat.
> 
> 
>    - Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging)
> 
> 
> And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe to the
> entire forum (or subsets) via RSS.
> 
> - Dave
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