Fwd: Selecting mails on phone

[Turabh]

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: turab chimthanawala 
> Date: 10 May 2018 at 6:06:01 PM IST
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Selecting mails on phone
> 
> Hi all,
> Apologies for the very basic question. I wish to copy the contents of
> a mail into my WhatsApp on my iPhone 6 but am unable to select the
> entire message at once. Unlike in case of text messages or WhatsApp
> there is no 'Select all' option in rotor and am unable to select the
> entire message word by word by single finger double tap.
> Eagerly await some solution in this end.
> Best
> Turab

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Re: Phone settings for the 8 Plus

[Anna Dresner]

Hello Bill,

Go to Settings, and choose Display & Brightness. One of the options on that 
screen is Raise to Wake. If you turn it off, your phone won't talk when you 
move it around if the screen is locked.

As for making gestures you don't intend, I would suggest going to Settings, 
choosing General, then Accessibility, then VoiceOver. On that screen is an 
option called VoiceOver Practice. If you double-tap that, you open a screen 
where you can try out the various gestures. VoiceOver will tell you which 
gesture it thinks you performed and what that gesture does. Once you get 
familiar with the gestures, you're less likely to perform ones you didn't 
intend. there's a done button in the upper right corner of the screen that you 
can use to stop practicing.

I hope that helps.

Best,
Anna




> On May 17, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Bill Outman  wrote:
> 
> Hello.  
>  
> I’m having a couple issues with my new 8 Plus.  
>  
> When I jiggle or bump it even slightly, the phone speaks, which can be 
> disconcerting to those around me if I’m in a group of people, such as at 
> church.  
>  
> Also, the touch seems very sensitive to the slightest tap, for instance, when 
> I hit the home button, sometimes the phone opens a program such as Music, 
> which I am not meaning to open at that time.  
>  
> What do I need to adjust, and where do I find those settings.  
>  
> Bill Outman 
>  
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VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous Vacation

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I just returned from a 4-day mini vacation to Seattle, Washington.  

I planned my entire sightseeing excursions using the Google Trips app.  In
addition, I used the Apple Maps transit directions and walking directions
the entire time.  All of this via VoiceOver.  Oh, yes, I used Yelp,
extensively, also.  

Seattle has a mono-rail, a light rail system, and several bus systems.  It
is truly a metropolitan destination.  

I stayed at a hotel in downtown Seattle.  So, for example, I took the light
rail to the downtown area and then walked about 20 minutes to my hotel.  The
Apple Maps directions were perfect.  I really liked the fact that I could
easily track each train stop along the way so that I knew exactly where to
exit the coach.  I did not realize, until this trip that one can use swiping
gestures to navigate along any transit route in order to monitor one's
progress along the route.  Very, very impressive.  

I won't bore you with the details but I will tell you that, thanks to the
Google Trips app, along with Apple Maps, and Yelp, I toured the Space
Needle, went to the Waterfall Garden Park, home of the original UPS store,
took an underground city tour, took a 1-hour harbor crews tour, explored
Pike Square, Pioneer Square, Bell Town, the Market Square, went to the
original Starbucks, took a ride on the largest Ferris Wheel on the west
coast, shopped at the new Amazon Go store (an absolutely amazing experience,
to say the least), and ate at some marvelous restaurants.

My point? I used public transportation, only.  No Uber, Lift, or taxis.
Also, I decided what I was going to do, mostly on the fly, using the Google
Trips app.

Now I'm not saying that the trip didn't have its challenges, for example,
there is a lot of construction going on in downtown Seattle and I needed a
lot of sighted assistance in order to navigate around it, but I am saying
that I am certain I would not have had as much fun without my beloved iPHone
8 Plus and several very crucial apps such as Yelp, Apple Maps, the Amazon Go
app, and of course, Google Trips for iOS.

Now I am not suggesting that a blind or low vision person can rely on any
technology, alone, in order to explore a major city.  After all, at this
point in history, technology is far from perfect.  And, when it's all said
and done, what really made my vacation possible, was good old fashion people
skills as sighted assistance was absolutely necessary for many of the
activities described above.  Be that as it may, with the help of technology,
I was able to independently explore the major city attractions and decide
how I wanted to spend my time.

Let me add that, while I had a backup battery with me, I did not use it.
The battery life on my 8 Plus was beyond amazing.  Even after over 12 hours
of use, I didn't run out of juice.  Regardless, I was glad to have a mobile
charging source with me, just in case.

While I had a lot of fun, I am delightfully exhausted and glad to be back.
For, as the saying goes, "there's no place like home."  (smile)

Mark


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Re: purchasing IPad vs. mini IPad

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I'll watch this thread with interest.

Afaik,  iOs should work the same on all iPads, anything else would border on 
being a bug.  iPad Pro could well be the exception 
mind.  So it should come down to how physically Big do you want to have to 
handle. I have only used iPad Mini for some years now, 
fits in hand(s) well enough.  More than that I'd want to use on a desk.  But 
the pc and real keyboard live there, which is partly 
why I never went up to bigger size.  For the amount I do,  a bigger phone would 
do, not as main phone, just as wifi connected 
browser/mailer.

Jmo, RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Vicki W." 
To: "IPhone" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:06 PM
Subject: purchasing IPad vs. mini IPad


I am thinking of purchasing either an IPad or mini IPad.

I currently have a mini IPad II, and before I buy a later model, I am looking 
for some advice and opinions on which mini IPads are 
best and would it be better to go ahead and purchase an IPad.

If an IPad is recommended, which ones work best with VO?

Thanks.

Vicki

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How to Cancel a Reminder in the Amazon Alexa App

[Craig Werner]

Greetings, everyone.

I can't figure out how to cancel a reminder in the Alexa app.  When I go to
"Reminders," Voiceover speaks each of the reminders I have set, but when I
double-tap on one of them, I can't find a way to edit or cancel it.  The
rotor doesn't have an "Actions" option.  Thanks for all help.

Craig

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FaceTime calls and the speaker

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

I have had iphones since the very first 4 came out, but have never used 
Facetime! I just tried it and found it did work, but the sound was routed 
through the small speaker, the one used by the phone, how can I get it to route 
via the large speaker at the bottom of the phone?
Thanks, Sandy. 

Sent from The dark side of the moon

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Re: purchasing iPad vs. mini iPad

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi I would say do not get a mini unless you absolutely cannot cope with the 
larger 9.7-inch screen. I recently acquired the 2018 iPad for just £319.00 and 
it was worth every penny and this is coming from a 2013 iPad Mini.

> On 17 May 2018, at 00:04, Merv Keck  wrote:
> 
> Apple is coming out with some very affordable iPads these days. The last Mini 
> I believe was the Mini 4 which was released in October 2015. It is quite a 
> bit slower than the one most recently released which has received a pretty 
> good reception in the tech community.
> Merv
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristóbal
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 6:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: purchasing IPad vs. mini IPad
>  
> I think the last iPad Mini that was released is going on three years now. I’d 
> stay away from a Mini at this point.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Vicki W.
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:07 PM
> To: IPhone 
> Subject: purchasing IPad vs. mini IPad
>  
> I am thinking of purchasing either an IPad or mini IPad.
>  
> I currently have a mini IPad II, and before I buy a later model, I am looking 
> for some advice and opinions on which mini IPads are best and would it be 
> better to go ahead and purchase an IPad.
>  
> If an IPad is recommended, which ones work best with VO?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Vicki
>  
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Re: FaceTime calls and the speaker

['Simon' via VIPhone]

what if you swipe the spot where you put the phone to your ear. that should 
start the other speaker.


-Original Message- 
From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 6:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FaceTime calls and the speaker

Hi,

   I have had iphones since the very first 4 came out, but have never used 
Facetime! I just tried it and found it did work, but the sound was routed 
through the small speaker, the one used by the phone, how can I get it to 
route via the large speaker at the bottom of the phone?

Thanks, Sandy.

Sent from The dark side of the moon

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Re: The best color identifyer that would work on an Iphone 5s

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Something I have noticed, when we discuss these colour identifier apps is: 
people don't seem to grasp the fact that colours are merely light waves, and 
so, change according to the light source. Electric lights change the colour, 
compared with daylight or sunshine. So, in different circumstances, you get 
different results. Saying this, when I use the seeing ai app, it quite often 
says "grey" when the article is absolutely not grey. Also, i am wondering, if 
there is more than the chosen article visible on the screen, how does the app 
choose which colour to identify? For example, a red flowered vest on a white 
bed cover?

If it helps at all, I have found camfind to be very good at recognising 
articles and describing patterns and colours.

Just my thoughts, but something I would love to see if an app which had and 
"led" mode, which would tell me the status of led lights, how many are visible, 
what is their status, blinking, colour etc.

Thanks, Sandy. 

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 16 May 2018, at 18:47, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> I had a question for everyone who participated in this thread: 
> 
> Who uses a color identifier frequently? If so, is it part of a function that 
> needs checking in numerous lighting conditions? 
> 
> Sent from sputnik7 
> 
>> On 16/05/2018, at 10:52 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Taptapsee is as good as any. Color Inspector does well, but they all need 
>> good, consistent lighting and should not be entirely trusted as much as a 
>> stand alone device.
>> I like TapTapSee because it will also identify a pattern.
>> Those apps are free.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>> quieter.” 
>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>> 
>> On May 16, 2018, at 4:50 AM, "ndagosti...@gmail.com"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The subject says it all.
>>>  
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>  
>>> Thank you
>>>  
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Re: how to get the newsline app on the ipad

[Arlene]

Donna, thank you for this link. This may seem like a silly question, but would  
we type the link into the edit searchbox for the app store, or do a search with 
the title of the app as you have it here, in the search edit box of the app 
store? Thank you.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 7:43 AM
  Subject: Re: how to get the newsline app on the ipad


  Hi


  Try this link to Newsline NFB. 


  NFB-NEWSLINE® Mobile by National Federation of the Blind 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/nfb-newsline-mobile/id530470425?mt=8


  Donna


We've tried to search several times now on the ipad for the newsline ap, 
and have done it in different ways in order to find it, but no results for the 
newsline. We tried searching in the app store as
nfb-newsline mobile app
nfb news line
If anyone knows how to search for newsline on the ipad please let me know. 
Thank you By the way we never had trouble finding the newsline app on the 
phone. Thanks again.

Arlene

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Seeking tips/tricks for teaching sighted family members use Spotify?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Firstly very good Thursday morning to you'll! This time around is I'm 
seeking tips/tricks for teaching sighted family members to use Spotify; 
it's sometimes frustrating trying to tell them for instance "it should 
say Settings" and they don't see anything regarding Settings but some 
symbols that I guess represent Settings! So what symbol would this be, 
to tell them instead "look for the symbol that looks like this on the 
top right of the screen".


I've also the same question of what symbol and where exactly onscreen, 
is the button while playing a song, kind of below the Home button, that 
Voiceover refers to as "Open the now-playing screen" on when we flick 
left, we hear the name of the currently-playing song, and into which we 
can go into use the player via the rewind, fast-forward etc? what symbol 
is this represented by, and where is it?


other tips/tricks you guys might have to be able to teach sighted family 
to use Spotify would be very beneficial! I'm kind of having a 
frustrating time in this scenario!


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RE: FaceTime calls and the speaker

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Facetime Audio works the same as a regular call for me, if I move the phone 
away from my ear it switches to speakerphone mode.
Facetime with video usually goes straight to the speakerphone since the 
assumption is you want the other person to see you so you are not holding your 
phone up to your ear hence providing an up close view of the side of your head 
*smile*.
Also, if you use Facetime and you are using it to show something to the other 
person you can look for a "Flip Camera" button and if you double tap it the 
back camera will be used instead of the front camera which I sthe default.


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From: 'Simon' via VIPhone  
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Subject: Re: FaceTime calls and the speaker

what if you swipe the spot where you put the phone to your ear. that should 
start the other speaker.

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Subject: FaceTime calls and the speaker

Hi,

I have had iphones since the very first 4 came out, but have never used 
Facetime! I just tried it and found it did work, but the sound was routed 
through the small speaker, the one used by the phone, how can I get it to route 
via the large speaker at the bottom of the phone?
Thanks, Sandy.

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Re: New color identifier, article from blind bargains

[Kimber Gardner]

I am still using a colorino and while it isn't always precisely
accurate -- it will say a shirt is beige when I'm pretty sure it's
pink -- it's mostly close enough.

On 5/16/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I am pretty sure I had muy Colorino for about 20 years and that I bought it
> in the late 90’s for about $150 US.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy
> Baracco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New color identifier, article from blind bargains
>
> I purchased the Colortest 150 from APH in 2000. It was actually more
> expensive than this new one, but at least at that time it was the only
> talking color identifier that was available. I can say that even today it
> works flawlessly. It actually tells you more than most folks need to know. I
> have found that when used properly it can determine color better than the
> actual naked eye.
>
> Andy
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Bill Gallik
> To: viPhone E-Mail List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:23 AM
> Subject: Re: New color identifier, article from blind bargains
>
> Sieghard, as usual, I agree completely with you!
>
> My first thoughts as I was reading the initial message was, “I wonder the
> price?”
>
> When I “read” that (near) $500 price-tag I almost fell out of my chair!
>
> Now please understand everybody, I certainly appreciate the information
> about this new Color Star color identifier.  It’s just that I have to ask
> why these items seem always to be so exorbitantly priced.  I realize all
> about the small market those who might buy such “blind community” products
> represents and recouping R expenses, but I still have to ask that
> question.
>
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - “The Early Bird may get the worm, but the Second Mouse gets the cheese!”
> - Contributor Unknown
>
>
>
> On May 15, 2018, at 9:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel
> > wrote:
>
> Certainly not a device I’ll buy. That is half the price of a brand-new
> iPhone or the price of a Sonos Play 5 which I would use a lot more often and
> given what you can do with one or two apps I can’t see too many people
> shelling out 500 bucks for that. The LED colour thing is nice, but the odd
> time I need this I can call somebody with Be my Eyes for free and-probably
> get better feedback. With some devices like routers or the Sonos it is not
> necessarily only the colour which matters but also whether the LED is a
> solid blue or white or if it’s blinking fast or slow etc.
> Regards,
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VoiceOver labels, how are they applied and where are they stored.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hello,

There has been a discussion on Applevis lately that some of you may have read 
and followed.

The topic I refer to is concerned with adding labels to images and their use 
with VoiceOver.

Packages like Envision AI and TapTapSee allow us to save an image along with 
the description obtained via the app.

This information is held in the Image Description field of an image and can be 
updated and changed by packages like ExifEditor and announced by VoiceOver.

One solution to the graphics labelling question that was posted on Applevis was 
to use the double-tap and hold method available with VoiceOver to write a 
description.  However if you modify the image with other software this label is 
lost.

So my question is this.  How are labels treated by Voiceover what criterion is 
used to determine the match between the object and its label.  Where are these 
object labels stored.

As an experiment I attached a VoiceOver label to a photograph and launched the 
Photos App on another iPhone and the label I applied using my first device was 
spoken by my second one.  So obviously this information was shared by both 
devices.

Any information gladly received.

Malcolm

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Re: purchasing IPad vs. mini IPad

[Russ Kiehne]

I’ll use my ipad mini 4 as long as I can.  When I can no longer update to the 
latest ios, I’ll get the Apple 9.7 inch model.

From: denise.av...@gmail.com 
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Subject: RE: purchasing IPad vs. mini IPad

There have been rumors that Apple will discontinue the mini, due to lagging 
sales.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: purchasing IPad vs. mini IPad

 

The best bang for your buck on an iPad right now is the new Apple 9.7 inch 
model. The mini four is, in my opinion, too old. If they had come out with a 
new one with the same processor as the new iPad 9.7, then I would think that 
would be a good choice. But they didn’t. You have to figure on upgradability, 
and how much longer is that mini four going to be upgradable. Wouldn’t touch it 
with a 10 foot pole. You can get the 9.7 inch model with 32 GB for $300 right 
now at Best Buy. If you have a little more money, an extra hundred gets you 128 
GB. I’m sure the pro models have better audio, and of course better displays. 
But as a blind person, who cares? I mean about the display. And I can’t imagine 
that whatever improvement there is with the audio is worth all that extra 
money. But that is in the ear of the beholder. Like you, I have an iPad Mini 
too. And I keep hoping that they’re going to upgrade that model with a better 
processor. But it hasn’t happened, and signs point to it not happening. So, if 
you want to stick with an iPad, that 9.7 form factor is the smallest thing 
you’re going to get. Your other option I suppose would be to hang onto your 
current phone, whatever model it is, get a new phone and turn your old phone 
into a replacement for your iPad mini two.

Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


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  I am thinking of purchasing either an IPad or mini IPad.

   

  I currently have a mini IPad II, and before I buy a later model, I am looking 
for some advice and opinions on which mini IPads are best and would it be 
better to go ahead and purchase an IPad.

   

  If an IPad is recommended, which ones work best with VO?

   

  Thanks.

   

  Vicki

   

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RE: VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous Vacation

[Ann]

Thanks I installed Yelp and Google Trips.  Amazon Go I believe is for Seattle 
only?  
I think Maps is Apple Maps?  
Now just need to plan a trip in my neighborhood to see what is happening.  
  
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M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous 
Vacation

Hello Everyone,

I just returned from a 4-day mini vacation to Seattle, Washington.  

I planned my entire sightseeing excursions using the Google Trips app.  In 
addition, I used the Apple Maps transit directions and walking directions the 
entire time.  All of this via VoiceOver.  Oh, yes, I used Yelp, extensively, 
also.  

Seattle has a mono-rail, a light rail system, and several bus systems.  It is 
truly a metropolitan destination.  

I stayed at a hotel in downtown Seattle.  So, for example, I took the light 
rail to the downtown area and then walked about 20 minutes to my hotel.  The 
Apple Maps directions were perfect.  I really liked the fact that I could 
easily track each train stop along the way so that I knew exactly where to exit 
the coach.  I did not realize, until this trip that one can use swiping 
gestures to navigate along any transit route in order to monitor one's progress 
along the route.  Very, very impressive.  

I won't bore you with the details but I will tell you that, thanks to the 
Google Trips app, along with Apple Maps, and Yelp, I toured the Space Needle, 
went to the Waterfall Garden Park, home of the original UPS store, took an 
underground city tour, took a 1-hour harbor crews tour, explored Pike Square, 
Pioneer Square, Bell Town, the Market Square, went to the original Starbucks, 
took a ride on the largest Ferris Wheel on the west coast, shopped at the new 
Amazon Go store (an absolutely amazing experience, to say the least), and ate 
at some marvelous restaurants.

My point? I used public transportation, only.  No Uber, Lift, or taxis.
Also, I decided what I was going to do, mostly on the fly, using the Google 
Trips app.

Now I'm not saying that the trip didn't have its challenges, for example, there 
is a lot of construction going on in downtown Seattle and I needed a lot of 
sighted assistance in order to navigate around it, but I am saying that I am 
certain I would not have had as much fun without my beloved iPHone
8 Plus and several very crucial apps such as Yelp, Apple Maps, the Amazon Go 
app, and of course, Google Trips for iOS.

Now I am not suggesting that a blind or low vision person can rely on any 
technology, alone, in order to explore a major city.  After all, at this point 
in history, technology is far from perfect.  And, when it's all said and done, 
what really made my vacation possible, was good old fashion people skills as 
sighted assistance was absolutely necessary for many of the activities 
described above.  Be that as it may, with the help of technology, I was able to 
independently explore the major city attractions and decide how I wanted to 
spend my time.

Let me add that, while I had a backup battery with me, I did not use it.
The battery life on my 8 Plus was beyond amazing.  Even after over 12 hours of 
use, I didn't run out of juice.  Regardless, I was glad to have a mobile 
charging source with me, just in case.

While I had a lot of fun, I am delightfully exhausted and glad to be back.
For, as the saying goes, "there's no place like home."  (smile)

Mark


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RE: IPhone versess IPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that I want phone 
calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery to me at least 
don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an iPad and I get a 
phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in fact if I am 
listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas on my iPhone 
whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings and resumes again 
when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in should it gert to the 
point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more, it’s a lot cheaper than 
spending $500 or more on an Ipad. If I am travelling there isn’t that much I 
can’t do on my iPhone compared to an iPad. I can see that if you use braille 
input the large iPad might be good, but if I really want to be able to type a 
lot I can just bring a bluetooth keyboard and use my iPhone. Some people also 
make the point about sound quality being bertter on an iPad and that is 
probably true due to it’s larger speakers which can be further apart, but you 
can just as easily use a bluetooth speaker if you want good sound quality. This 
has the added benefit that you can get one that is waterproof so if like me you 
listen to a lot of audio books you can bring it into the shower or outside etc. 
I am doing a fair bit of work outside right now getting my garden and yard into 
shape after a long and very snowy winter and I also do some woodworking either 
in my shop downstairs or outside and I can just have my iPhone in a safe spot 
in my belt case or put somewhere nearby and use my very tough dust and 
waterproof bluetooth speaker. If I am using any woodworking power tools which 
are noisy I wear ear protection anyways and I have a set of ear protection 
which have bluetooth as wel as a built-in FM radio so I can listen to the radio 
or my book or music on my iPhone. If you buy an iPad it’s another expensive 
device which you have to maintain and upgrade every 3 to 5 years, it won’t 
replace your iPhone so now you have to maintain and upgrade two devices. I also 
have an Apple Watch which I like because of the fitness/health application and 
to me that is more useful than an iPad and as it’s a piece of technology which 
also has a finite time before it needs to be upgraded, if you now have an 
iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch then things are starting to get really expensive.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Hi,

In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 
computer?

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Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Vicki W.]

I can't speak for everyone, but in my case, my mini IPad, because it is smaller 
than my laptop or desktop computer, works very nicely when I am traveling.

If I want to read for awhile or listen to a podcast, it is also more convenient 
to use at night after I have gone to bed.

I could use my phone, but I don't like phone calls interrupting what I am doing 
on my mini IPad.

Vicki

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  Hi,

   

  In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 
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Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Kimber Gardner]

I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks
I find easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a
windows vs mac situation.

I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my
phone is with me all the time and my iPad is not.

I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific
tasks in mind I can try to address your questions.

On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw  wrote:
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Re: how to get the newsline app on the ipad

[Donna]

Hi

If you are reading my emails from your iPad you should be able to tap on the 
link that I shared in my previous email to the newsline app. Or try searching 
the app store by typing newsline as one word. Also you may need to tap on 
iPhone apps while in the app store. There may not be an iPad app. iPhone apps 
can be used on iPads.   My son has to use his iPad in school so I can’t give 
step by step instructions right now. 

Donna 
> 
> Donna, thank you for this link. This may seem like a silly question, but 
> would  we type the link into the edit searchbox for the app store, or do a 
> search with the title of the app as you have it here, in the search edit box 
> of the app store? Thank you.
>  
> Arlene
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 7:43 AM
> Subject: Re: how to get the newsline app on the ipad
> 
> Hi
> 
> Try this link to Newsline NFB. 
> 
> NFB-NEWSLINE® Mobile by National Federation of the Blind 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/nfb-newsline-mobile/id530470425?mt=8
> 
> Donna
> 
>> We've tried to search several times now on the ipad for the newsline ap, and 
>> have done it in different ways in order to find it, but no results for the 
>> newsline. We tried searching in the app store as
>> nfb-newsline mobile app
>> nfb news line
>> If anyone knows how to search for newsline on the ipad please let me know. 
>> Thank you By the way we never had trouble finding the newsline app on the 
>> phone. Thanks again.
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Re: Seeking tips/tricks for teaching sighted family members use Spotify?

[Kelly Pierce]

It sounds like your family members need to spend time learning iOS. It
is icon driven and if they cannot recognize commonly used icons, it
would be difficult to teach them enough to cover their knowledge gaps.
Also, they just need to use the app more. Spotify designed the app to
Apple’s guidelines, which emphasize interface learning through end
user discovery.

Kelly

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On 5/17/18, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> Firstly very good Thursday morning to you'll! This time around is I'm
> seeking tips/tricks for teaching sighted family members to use Spotify;
> it's sometimes frustrating trying to tell them for instance "it should
> say Settings" and they don't see anything regarding Settings but some
> symbols that I guess represent Settings! So what symbol would this be,
> to tell them instead "look for the symbol that looks like this on the
> top right of the screen".
>
> I've also the same question of what symbol and where exactly onscreen,
> is the button while playing a song, kind of below the Home button, that
> Voiceover refers to as "Open the now-playing screen" on when we flick
> left, we hear the name of the currently-playing song, and into which we
> can go into use the player via the rewind, fast-forward etc? what symbol
> is this represented by, and where is it?
>
> other tips/tricks you guys might have to be able to teach sighted family
> to use Spotify would be very beneficial! I'm kind of having a
> frustrating time in this scenario!
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Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Vicki W.]

Very good points. Thank you.

Vicki

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:20 AM
  Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad


  Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that I want phone 
calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery to me at least 
don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an iPad and I get a 
phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in fact if I am 
listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas on my iPhone 
whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings and resumes again 
when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in should it gert to the 
point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more, it’s a lot cheaper than 
spending $500 or more on an Ipad. If I am travelling there isn’t that much I 
can’t do on my iPhone compared to an iPad. I can see that if you use braille 
input the large iPad might be good, but if I really want to be able to type a 
lot I can just bring a bluetooth keyboard and use my iPhone. Some people also 
make the point about sound quality being bertter on an iPad and that is 
probably true due to it’s larger speakers which can be further apart, but you 
can just as easily use a bluetooth speaker if you want good sound quality. This 
has the added benefit that you can get one that is waterproof so if like me you 
listen to a lot of audio books you can bring it into the shower or outside etc. 
I am doing a fair bit of work outside right now getting my garden and yard into 
shape after a long and very snowy winter and I also do some woodworking either 
in my shop downstairs or outside and I can just have my iPhone in a safe spot 
in my belt case or put somewhere nearby and use my very tough dust and 
waterproof bluetooth speaker. If I am using any woodworking power tools which 
are noisy I wear ear protection anyways and I have a set of ear protection 
which have bluetooth as wel as a built-in FM radio so I can listen to the radio 
or my book or music on my iPhone. If you buy an iPad it’s another expensive 
device which you have to maintain and upgrade every 3 to 5 years, it won’t 
replace your iPhone so now you have to maintain and upgrade two devices. I also 
have an Apple Watch which I like because of the fitness/health application and 
to me that is more useful than an iPad and as it’s a piece of technology which 
also has a finite time before it needs to be upgraded, if you now have an 
iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch then things are starting to get really expensive.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

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  Hi,

   

  In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 
computer?

   

  Thanks.

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[Ralph Supernaw]

Hi,

 

In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 
computer?

 

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Re: FaceTime calls and the speaker

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Sieghard,
I thought as much, mine  is not behaving that way. my partners phone is 
behaving perfectly, he has a 6+, but my eight is not. I am wondering if there 
is a setting somewhere that I can change… I did try swiping at the top of the 
phone screen, but it made no difference.
Thanks for all the help, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 17 May 2018, at 15:15, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Facetime Audio works the same as a regular call for me, if I move the phone 
> away from my ear it switches to speakerphone mode.
> Facetime with video usually goes straight to the speakerphone since the 
> assumption is you want the other person to see you so you are not holding 
> your phone up to your ear hence providing an up close view of the side of 
> your head *smile*.
> Also, if you use Facetime and you are using it to show something to the other 
> person you can look for a "Flip Camera" button and if you double tap it the 
> back camera will be used instead of the front camera which I sthe default.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: FaceTime calls and the speaker
> 
> what if you swipe the spot where you put the phone to your ear. that should 
> start the other speaker.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Hi,
> 
>I have had iphones since the very first 4 came out, but have never used 
> Facetime! I just tried it and found it did work, but the sound was routed 
> through the small speaker, the one used by the phone, how can I get it to 
> route via the large speaker at the bottom of the phone?
> Thanks, Sandy.
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Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Michael Feir]

I have a 2017 referbished iPAD as well as an iPHONE7. Frankly, things are a
lot more frustrating for me on the iPAD. I find myself strongly gravitating
to my iPHONE for pretty much everything other than consuming audio or binge
reading. For instance, it's nice to be able to listen to internet radio
without burning though my iPOD batteries and taking up my iPHONE. That
leaves the iPHONE free for other things. However, if I'm working, or want
to be ready to do other things while listening or reding, I'll use my
iPHONE. Other than easier use of Braille screen input, I can't think of any
advantages to using an iPAD other than the headphone jak.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the layouts of a whole lot of apps
and things are very different as the designers attempt to use the extra
space in the best way for sighted users. It can feel like starting from
square one despite using the exact same apps and operating system as on
your phone. I'm still glad I was able to get the iPAD due to the guide I'm
in the process of writing. I'll be able to pint all this out and give
exaples so my readers will hopefully make a more informed decision. I have
a lot of spacial perceptin issues so that's doubtless a big part of why I
so strongly prefer my iPHONE's smaller size. The smaller size does force
app designers to separate apps into different tabs. The Settings app where
you configure your iOS device is a prime example. The iPAd layout has
everything in a tree format with branches expanding overtop of things when
selected. Everything else still remains on the screen. On the iPHONE, the
instant you double-tap on a setting area, everything else goes away and you
can get right to what you want. When finished, the "back" button gets you
out of where you've drilled down into.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM Cristóbal  wrote:

> The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a
> third arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for
> businesses purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as
> if she wants to “look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger
> screen iPad and not her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it
> as an actual phone. Maybe when she’s out and about to scan stuff like
> ShopKick or other rewards type of apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a
> huge screen or the latest camera phone.
>
> Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most
> likely going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this
> year. Be it the new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that
> usually appear in September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if
> I’m not convinced by what’s coming out this year and the price tag.
>
> In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not
> bother with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is
> perfectly happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any
> time soon since she’d prefer to have an iPad.
>
> I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use
> to stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or
> as an extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the
> job done.
>
> The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want
> one. It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and
> typing while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it
> just makes it that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and
> forget about using it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary
> or sitting down.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:21 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>
>
> *Subject:* RE: IPhone versess IPad
>
>
>
> Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is
> overkill. Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need
> for an iPad in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that
> I want phone calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery
> to me at least don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an
> iPad and I get a phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in
> fact if I am listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas
> on my iPhone whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings
> and resumes again when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in
> should it gert to the point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more,
> it’s a lot cheaper than spending $500 or more on an Ipad. If I am
> travelling there isn’t that much I can’t do on my iPhone compared to an
> iPad. I can see that if you use braille input the large iPad might be good,
> but if I really want to be able to type a lot I can just bring a bluetooth
> 

RE: IPhone versess IPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

This is why I make heavy use of containers on the iPad, especially in the 
settings app.  It makes navigating to the item you have chosen much easier.

I mainly use my iPad for reading books.  Where it makes a difference to me as 
opposed to using my iPhone is when reading Kindle books.  There is a noticeable 
pause when switching pages, so it doesn't seem as intrusive to me since with 
the larger screen, the pauses are less frequent.

All a matter of what works best for the individual.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Michael 
Feir [michael.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad

I have a 2017 referbished iPAD as well as an iPHONE7. Frankly, things are a lot 
more frustrating for me on the iPAD. I find myself strongly gravitating to my 
iPHONE for pretty much everything other than consuming audio or binge reading. 
For instance, it's nice to be able to listen to internet radio without burning 
though my iPOD batteries and taking up my iPHONE. That leaves the iPHONE free 
for other things. However, if I'm working, or want to be ready to do other 
things while listening or reding, I'll use my iPHONE. Other than easier use of 
Braille screen input, I can't think of any advantages to using an iPAD other 
than the headphone jak.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the layouts of a whole lot of apps and 
things are very different as the designers attempt to use the extra space in 
the best way for sighted users. It can feel like starting from square one 
despite using the exact same apps and operating system as on your phone. I'm 
still glad I was able to get the iPAD due to the guide I'm in the process of 
writing. I'll be able to pint all this out and give exaples so my readers will 
hopefully make a more informed decision. I have a lot of spacial perceptin 
issues so that's doubtless a big part of why I so strongly prefer my iPHONE's 
smaller size. The smaller size does force app designers to separate apps into 
different tabs. The Settings app where you configure your iOS device is a prime 
example. The iPAd layout has everything in a tree format with branches 
expanding overtop of things when selected. Everything else still remains on the 
screen. On the iPHONE, the instant you double-tap on a setting area, everything 
else goes away and you can get right to what you want. When finished, the 
"back" button gets you out of where you've drilled down into.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM Cristóbal 
> wrote:
The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a third 
arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for businesses 
purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as if she wants to 
“look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger screen iPad and not 
her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it as an actual phone. Maybe 
when she’s out and about to scan stuff like ShopKick or other rewards type of 
apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a huge screen or the latest camera phone.
Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most likely 
going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this year. Be it the 
new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that usually appear in 
September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if I’m not convinced by 
what’s coming out this year and the price tag.
In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not bother 
with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is perfectly 
happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any time soon since 
she’d prefer to have an iPad.
I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use to 
stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or as an 
extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the job done.
The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want one. 
It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and typing 
while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it just makes it 
that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and forget about using 
it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary or sitting down.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad

Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that I want phone 

Re: IPhone versess IPad

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

If I just want to read and check, I use the iPad.  If I want to write, then go 
to the desk to type on  a physical keyboard.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph Supernaw" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:34 PM
Subject: IPhone versess IPad


Hi,



In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 
computer?



Thanks.

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RE: IPhone versess IPad

[Cristóbal]

The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a third 
arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for businesses 
purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as if she wants to 
“look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger screen iPad and not 
her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it as an actual phone. Maybe 
when she’s out and about to scan stuff like ShopKick or other rewards type of 
apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a huge screen or the latest camera phone. 

Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most likely 
going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this year. Be it the 
new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that usually appear in 
September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if I’m not convinced by 
what’s coming out this year and the price tag.

In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not bother 
with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is perfectly 
happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any time soon since 
she’d prefer to have an iPad.

I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use to 
stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or as an 
extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the job done.

The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want one. 
It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and typing 
while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it just makes it 
that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and forget about using 
it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary or sitting down. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad

 

Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that I want phone 
calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery to me at least 
don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an iPad and I get a 
phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in fact if I am 
listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas on my iPhone 
whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings and resumes again 
when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in should it gert to the 
point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more, it’s a lot cheaper than 
spending $500 or more on an Ipad. If I am travelling there isn’t that much I 
can’t do on my iPhone compared to an iPad. I can see that if you use braille 
input the large iPad might be good, but if I really want to be able to type a 
lot I can just bring a bluetooth keyboard and use my iPhone. Some people also 
make the point about sound quality being bertter on an iPad and that is 
probably true due to it’s larger speakers which can be further apart, but you 
can just as easily use a bluetooth speaker if you want good sound quality. This 
has the added benefit that you can get one that is waterproof so if like me you 
listen to a lot of audio books you can bring it into the shower or outside etc. 
I am doing a fair bit of work outside right now getting my garden and yard into 
shape after a long and very snowy winter and I also do some woodworking either 
in my shop downstairs or outside and I can just have my iPhone in a safe spot 
in my belt case or put somewhere nearby and use my very tough dust and 
waterproof bluetooth speaker. If I am using any woodworking power tools which 
are noisy I wear ear protection anyways and I have a set of ear protection 
which have bluetooth as wel as a built-in FM radio so I can listen to the radio 
or my book or music on my iPhone. If you buy an iPad it’s another expensive 
device which you have to maintain and upgrade every 3 to 5 years, it won’t 
replace your iPhone so now you have to maintain and upgrade two devices. I also 
have an Apple Watch which I like because of the fitness/health application and 
to me that is more useful than an iPad and as it’s a piece of technology which 
also has a finite time before it needs to be upgraded, if you now have an 
iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch then things are starting to get really expensive.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
 > On Behalf Of 
Ralph Supernaw
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: IPhone versess IPad

 

Hi,

 

In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 

Re: Dictating new phone contact.

[kitty hevener]

I have not tried dictating contact info cuz the spelling is very important.  
But, I assume you would have to double tap on each field, single finger double 
tap on dictate, say what you want to say, then two finger double tap to end 
dictation for that field.  

From: wui chin Leong 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Dictating new phone contact.

How can I dickdtate a new phone contact



  On May 17, 2018, at 6:44 PM, kitty hevener  wrote:

  Hi Carolyn, Just wanted to introduce myself and help you get dictation going. 
 I am Kitty in cincinnati oh.  I have bee using iphone since sept or oct.  It 
sounds like you are getting the “enable dictation” error because dictation is 
not turned on.  To enable it, open settings and double tap on general.  From 
there, swipe or flick right till you come to keyboard.  Double tap on it.  Move 
to the right till u see enable dictation.  Double tap on it.  Once it has been 
enabled, it will stay on till u change the setting.  Let me know how it works 
for you.   
  From: Carolyn Arnold
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:14 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Dictating new phone contact.

  I went to contacts and got to add, then to dictation, and it said enable 
dictation. What do I do to enable dictation. I double tapped and tried to find 
something. My friend said her phone did not say that. 
   
   
   
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RE: iPhone verses iPad

[Merv Keck]

Hi,
I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped people who had absolutely no 
experience with computers or iDevices learn to use both their iPhone and iPad. 
And the larger screen makes some applications very easy to learn. Including the 
native mail app. Because it is spread out and there is less of a learning curve 
for older adults when learning IOS for the first time. 
Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable vision. 
I have seen some amazing things done on the larger amount of real estate.
I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon as 
it is eligible.
Merv


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad

I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view more 
or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier to 
navigate with.

Alan Lemly

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Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad

I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows vs mac 
situation.

I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is with 
me all the time and my iPad is not.

I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks in 
mind I can try to address your questions.

On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a 
> laptop computer?
>
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> Thanks.
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Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Liz Ulrich and LD Hope]

I updated the app, and it is challenging to say the least. The guide can be 
done with voice over, but it is a pain. Hopefully, the bugs will be worked out.


Sent from my iPhone 
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> On May 17, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Chuck Dean  wrote:
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> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over. 
> Hi everyone. 
> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to 
> navigate with voice over. 
> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out. 
> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
> 
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Re: iPhone verses iPad

[Mary Otten]

I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the phone 
fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the original iPad, and I have 
an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my phone is totally dead. 
Mostly, this is because whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the 
message list. It always puts me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the 
list, only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for 
somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail app is so 
wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other thing, and I 
don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When you open a message to read it, on 
the phone, a two finger flick up gets you only the message text, that is, the 
thing you want to read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get 
the text. Unless that has recently changed which is possible, because I haven’t 
used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped people who had absolutely 
> no experience with computers or iDevices learn to use both their iPhone and 
> iPad. And the larger screen makes some applications very easy to learn. 
> Including the native mail app. Because it is spread out and there is less of 
> a learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time. 
> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger amount of real 
> estate.
> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
> as it is eligible.
> Merv
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
> 
> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view 
> more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier to 
> navigate with.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
> easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows vs mac 
> situation.
> 
> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is 
> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
> 
> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks 
> in mind I can try to address your questions.
> 
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Dictating new phone contact.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I went to contacts and got to add, then to dictation, and it
said enable dictation. What do I do to enable dictation. I
double tapped and tried to find something. My friend said
her phone did not say that. 

 

 

 

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Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Chuck Dean]

Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over. 
Hi everyone. 
The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to 
navigate with voice over. 
You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out. 
This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.



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RE: IPhone versess IPad

[Alan Lemly]

I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view more 
or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier to 
navigate with.

Alan Lemly

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I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows vs mac 
situation.

I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is with 
me all the time and my iPad is not.

I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks in 
mind I can try to address your questions.

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Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Amy Johnson]

Though the guid isn't very accessable I have been useing the 15
channels it gives you under watch now which are channels you have
watched recently and if I don't find anything to watch there I go to
discover and to networks and choose a channel I like to see what is
playing on that channel.  It is just a work around for not useing the
guide.  Hope this helps any of you that have direct tv now.  Would be
happy to try to help anyone that may need help learning to navigate
the new updated app.

On 5/17/18, Liz Ulrich and LD Hope  wrote:
>
> I updated the app, and it is challenging to say the least. The guide can be
> done with voice over, but it is a pain. Hopefully, the bugs will be worked
> out.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 17, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Chuck Dean  wrote:
>>
>> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>> Hi everyone.
>> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to
>> navigate with voice over.
>> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
>> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
>>
>>
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RE: iPhone verses iPad

[Alan Lemly]

Mary,

I'm like you and am curious why a larger screen without usable vision makes the 
learning curve any different for the mail app. I've never used an iPad but 
others I've spoken with say the larger screen makes things more difficult to 
navigate with Voiceover especially when the screen is split in some apps. I 
hope Merv will respond with some specifics. I guess if you're learning VO 
gestures for the first time and have motor control issues, having a larger 
screen on which to swipe might make things easier.

Alan Lemly

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Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone verses iPad

I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the phone 
fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the original iPad, and I have 
an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my phone is totally dead. 
Mostly, this is because whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the 
message list. It always puts me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the 
list, only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for 
somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail app is so 
wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other thing, and I don 
t think it s been fixed on the iPad. When you open a message to read it, on the 
phone, a two finger flick up gets you only the message text, that is, the thing 
you want to read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get the 
text. Unless that has recently changed which is possible, because I haven t 
used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped people who had absolutely 
> no experience with computers or iDevices learn to use both their iPhone and 
> iPad. And the larger screen makes some applications very easy to learn. 
> Including the native mail app. Because it is spread out and there is less of 
> a learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time. 
> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger amount of real 
> estate.
> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
> as it is eligible.
> Merv
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
> 
> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view 
> more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier to 
> navigate with.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
> 
> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
> easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows vs mac 
> situation.
> 
> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is 
> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
> 
> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks 
> in mind I can try to address your questions.
> 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Phone settings for the 8 Plus

[Bill Outman]

Hello.  

 

I'm having a couple issues with my new 8 Plus.  

 

When I jiggle or bump it even slightly, the phone speaks, which can be
disconcerting to those around me if I'm in a group of people, such as at
church.  

 

Also, the touch seems very sensitive to the slightest tap, for instance,
when I hit the home button, sometimes the phone opens a program such as
Music, which I am not meaning to open at that time.  

 

What do I need to adjust, and where do I find those settings.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

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Re: Dictating new phone contact.

[wui chin Leong]

How can I dickdtate a new phone contact

> On May 17, 2018, at 6:44 PM, kitty hevener  wrote:
> 
> Hi Carolyn, Just wanted to introduce myself and help you get dictation going. 
>  I am Kitty in cincinnati oh.  I have bee using iphone since sept or oct.  It 
> sounds like you are getting the “enable dictation” error because dictation is 
> not turned on.  To enable it, open settings and double tap on general.  From 
> there, swipe or flick right till you come to keyboard.  Double tap on it.  
> Move to the right till u see enable dictation.  Double tap on it.  Once it 
> has been enabled, it will stay on till u change the setting.  Let me know how 
> it works for you.  
> From: Carolyn Arnold 
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Dictating new phone contact.
>  
> I went to contacts and got to add, then to dictation, and it said enable 
> dictation. What do I do to enable dictation. I double tapped and tried to 
> find something. My friend said her phone did not say that. 
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I Tunes 12.7

[cwc]

I have upgraded my I Tunes to 12.7. I thought that there was something that 
I should watch out for when using it. For example, when restoring the 
phone, should I take any extra steps to protect ring tones or other files? 
Any help would be appreciated.  

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Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Liz Ulrich and LD Hope]

When I tap on discover and tap on networks, and when I flick voice over reads 
nothing. How do you make this work?


Sent from my iPhone 
Liz Ulrich and leader Dog hope 
HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1

> On May 17, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Amy Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Though the guid isn't very accessable I have been useing the 15
> channels it gives you under watch now which are channels you have
> watched recently and if I don't find anything to watch there I go to
> discover and to networks and choose a channel I like to see what is
> playing on that channel.  It is just a work around for not useing the
> guide.  Hope this helps any of you that have direct tv now.  Would be
> happy to try to help anyone that may need help learning to navigate
> the new updated app.
> 
>> On 5/17/18, Liz Ulrich and LD Hope  wrote:
>> 
>> I updated the app, and it is challenging to say the least. The guide can be
>> done with voice over, but it is a pain. Hopefully, the bugs will be worked
>> out.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Liz Ulrich and leader Dog hope
>> HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Chuck Dean  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> Hi everyone.
>>> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to
>>> navigate with voice over.
>>> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
>>> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck
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RE: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

-Original Message-
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Dean
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
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Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over. 
Hi everyone. 
The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to 
navigate with voice over. 
You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out. 
This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.



Chuck

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Re: Dictating new phone contact.

[kitty hevener]

Hi Carolyn, Just wanted to introduce myself and help you get dictation going.  
I am Kitty in cincinnati oh.  I have bee using iphone since sept or oct.  It 
sounds like you are getting the “enable dictation” error because dictation is 
not turned on.  To enable it, open settings and double tap on general.  From 
there, swipe or flick right till you come to keyboard.  Double tap on it.  Move 
to the right till u see enable dictation.  Double tap on it.  Once it has been 
enabled, it will stay on till u change the setting.  Let me know how it works 
for you.  
From: Carolyn Arnold 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Dictating new phone contact.

I went to contacts and got to add, then to dictation, and it said enable 
dictation. What do I do to enable dictation. I double tapped and tried to find 
something. My friend said her phone did not say that. 

 

 

 

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