Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
Continuing the discussion of the mathematical modeling proposed for the October 6 experiment, my informant, who still prefers to remain anonymous, remarked that the examples suggested by Jed and others (nails, anvils and the like) are not comparable to the October 6 experiment which involved a

[Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Alig 2004 hasa asked: You said that anybody can buy a 1Mw plant. Are you not afraid that one of the customers will steal the secret after the installation and use it before you are able to get the patent? And Rossi has answered: Difficult, also if I know that many competitors, like the clowns

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Had anybody successfully reverse engineered the formula and process to make Coca Cola? AG On 12/23/2011 6:54 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: Alig 2004 hasa asked: You said that anybody can buy a 1Mw plant. Are you not afraid that one of the customers will steal the secret after the installation and

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Gluck
My impression is that the manufacture of Coca Cola is more an ritual than a secret. However I think this recipe is true/real in proportion of 96,23%: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/8324778/Coca-Cola-recipe-discovered.html My hypertension is hypersensitive to Coca Cola so i do not dare to

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Difficult, also if I know that many competitors, like the clowns who are saying they have been able to copy my technology with a “ghost buster” , hope to buy a plant to actually copy it and fill up their empty boxes (

Re: [Vo]: NOT = NOT off topic, 2.188 = 2*1.094

2011-12-23 Thread Roarty, Francis X
A neo LET perspective would be the electron is tethered electrically to the nucleus and has it’s own micro gravity well orbiting inside the larger micro well of the nucleus like the sun earth arrangement but dependent upon the electrical tether as opposed to a gravitational one. In Neo LET an

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: You know very well that Rossi has never shown the slightest inclination to do anything like that. Many variants of that idea have been proposed to Rossi and he has refused them all . . . This is true. He has emphatically refused. I agree there is no chance

[Vo]:Geothermal outlook

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2011/12/geothermal-outlook-2012-despite-difficulties-industry-will-forge-ahead U.S. capacity 3,102 MW. Currently, up to 5,745 MW are in development. Equivalent to ~8 nukes, where the U.S. has about ~100. These operate 24 hours a day close

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Had anybody successfully reverse engineered the formula and process to make Coca Cola? All soft drink manufacturers make cola drinks that most customers find indistinguishable from Coca-Cola. In blind taste tests most people cannot tell the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Michele Comitini
My hypertension is hypersensitive to Coca Cola so i do not dare to drink it any more. Romanian or Czech black beer is excellent so I don't care. I bet you don't care. The comparison is not fair: it's like comparing a picture with a Brandl painting. mic

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Yram Oguy
I have a model that shows that a few dozen kilograms of Mary Yugo, well placed around the vortex list, would be able to self sustain flooding for days... I feel sorry i can't provide any data analysis right now as i am actually filling a patent to protect my secret catalyst ('JR', don't tell),

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Michele, I don't know if I understand you exactly but a good beer (the proof that God loves us) is a noble drink, I am angry that in one of my favorite TV series- Do you rang, mylord? black beer is considered a proletarian drink. Being a chemical engineer I know well some beer factories and

RE: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Aussie: Had anybody successfully reverse engineered the formula and process to make Coca Cola? No coke... pepsi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_b9XwloHE Definitely sweeter. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread David Roberson
Hello Mary, I wonder if you could ask your source to explain the bump in the curve that occurs at 16:00 on the second chart? It looks like this is not demonstrated in any of his curves. The bump is in the temperature of the ECAT water bath T2 and is very distinct. Dave -Original

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread David Roberson
He might just be attempting to keep others from trying to duplicate his device. Dave -Original Message- From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com To: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 3:25 am Subject: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist Alig 2004 hasa asked: You said that

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread David Roberson
The Coca Cola secret is just a sales gimmick. I am sure taste tests would show that people could not tell the difference between the real coke and imitations made in a lab. The trick is to have people believe that it is unique. Dave -Original Message- From: Peter Gluck

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Energy Liberator
On 23/12/11 14:40, Jed Rothwell wrote: I am pretty sure the reason is because he wants to keep a low profile. He wants enough people to believe it is real to attract customers, but not so many that it attracts competition or attention from the authorities. He does not want the DoE to think it

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Terry Blanton
Well, if you really want to find out the secret ingredients, it's a lot more accessible now that the formula has been moved to the Coco-cola Museum just this month: http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2011/12/08/coke-formula-moved-to-world-of-coke.html Which denies still that the original

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Energy Liberator wrote: I can see the reasoning behind that but what baffles me is if that is the case then why even set up in the US? Because he like the U.S. He likes being here. And he had terrible experiences in Italy. There is a lot to like about the U.S. despite the DoE. - Jed

[Vo]:Lissajous rotating helix screw like

2011-12-23 Thread Jones Beene
Robin, Does not a 'screw-like' motion mesh with a Lissajous? or are you backing off of that? I guess it depends on how you define screw like. The Lissajous model at it's simplest depends on an oscillation and a rotation, whereas a screw like motion depends on two rotations for a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Michele Comitini
Peter, Coke is an industrial drink, excellent but still no soul. Beer is artist's work and drinking dark beer as they brew it in your country is the proof of Benjamin Franklin's words. Marry Christmas and toast (with beer of course)! Il giorno 23/dic/2011 16:17, Peter Gluck

Re: [Vo]: Cosmic Trigger?

2011-12-23 Thread Axil Axil
It is possible to both manipulate and respond to electromagnetic radiation just by ajusting the shape and number of a collection of atoms. To understand this, consider the properties of a newly developed tool of quantum mechanics called Quantum dots. Quantum dots are very, very tiny

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Michele, That means we agree. Thanks. I also wish you Merry Christmas and all well. We will toast with wine, local bought from the producer. Red. A good opportunity to express my admiration for the high quality of Italian wines- have visited Italy in September (Siena, Firenze, Pisa) and we were

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:37 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Hello Mary, I wonder if you could ask your source to explain the bump in the curve Done, thanks.

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:13 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Continuing the discussion of the mathematical modeling proposed for the October 6 experiment, my informant, who still prefers to remain anonymous, remarked that the examples suggested by Jed and others (nails, anvils and the

[Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Horace Heffner
This archive URL appears to produce ads: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.html Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

RE: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: ... I am pretty sure the reason is because he wants to keep a low profile. He wants enough people to believe it is real to attract customers, but not so many that it attracts competition or attention from the authorities. He does not want the DoE to think it is real. I

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
I cannot see ads... 2011/12/23 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net This archive URL appears to produce ads: http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.**htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.html Best regards, Horace Heffner

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Horace Heffner
I get ads just below the title data and time, and in the right margin. I am using Safari on a Mac. I also get the adds on Internet explorer on Win 7. I don't get the adds on other archive links I have checked. On Dec 23, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I cannot see ads...

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: In Rossi's case, trying to maintain a low profile is a delicate business tactic that has limited shelf life. Yup. It is a delaying tactic. [This] will fall apart as the technology essentially validates itself via through

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
I guess you have some spyware infesting your system... 2011/12/23 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net I get ads just below the title data and time, and in the right margin. I am using Safari on a Mac. I also get the adds on Internet explorer on Win 7. I don't get the adds on other archive

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: In Rossi's case, trying to maintain a low profile is a delicate business tactic that has limited shelf life. Yup. It is a delaying tactic. Can you

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I guess you have some spyware infesting your system... Certainly possible but another explanation is that it's a leftover popup or popunder from another window in your browser -- perhaps one you just closed. I've seen

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: A plausible method of fakery is not evidence of fakery. Obviously not. But heat, by itself, is not evidence of a nuclear reaction, if the same heat can be plausibly produced without nuclear reactions. Similarly, if

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Can you think of a recent spectacular innovation that has been marketed by deliberately acting in a way that suggests it can't and doesn't work? Toyota's plug in Prius. Toyota kept saying existing model is not designed for plug-in mode; they do not

Re: [Vo]:A competent observer's assessment of Defkalion : factory location

2011-12-23 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Well, If they want to be consistent with their statement that they would warm up the Police Academy they need to have an industrial facility quite close to it. There are not many other buildings that qualify. Giovanni On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At

Re: [Vo]:Rossi is not a pacifist

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Which denies still that the original formula contained cocaine (last time I visited there). That's silly. It was common knowledge they used it. They advertised it! There is no doubt they still use denatured leaves. See:

RE: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Mary Yugo: Can you think of a recent spectacular innovation that has been marketed by deliberately acting in a way that suggests it can't and doesn't work? By acting in a way that suggests investor fraud? It's all in the eye of the beholder. The point I think you gloss over

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: In Rossi's case, trying to maintain a low profile is a delicate business tactic that has limited shelf life. Yup. It is a delaying tactic. [This]

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:37 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if you could ask your source to explain the bump in the curve that occurs at 16:00 on the second chart? It looks like this is not demonstrated in any of his curves. The bump is in the temperature of the ECAT

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Can you think of a recent spectacular innovation that has been marketed by deliberately acting in a way that suggests it can't and doesn't work? Toyota's plug in Prius. Toyota kept saying existing model is not designed for plug-in mode; they do not recommend it; it will take a

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I guess you have some spyware infesting your system... Certainly possible but another explanation is that it's a leftover popup or popunder from another window in

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:21 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: It's all in the eye of the beholder. The point I think you gloss over is the apparent fact that Rossi is not deliberately (or overtly) ...acting in a way that suggests investor fraud. Rossi is

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: I wrote: Can you think of a recent spectacular innovation that has been marketed by deliberately acting in a way that suggests it can't and doesn't work? Toyota's plug in Prius. Toyota kept saying existing model is

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: It's all in the eye of the beholder. The point I think you gloss over is the apparent fact that Rossi is not deliberately (or overtly) ...acting in a way that suggests investor fraud. Rossi is instead employing passive-tactics

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: That's an interesting idea. Good point. I doubt he fears this, but he might. Rossi and Defkalion have been jerking well meaning and interested people around by the thousands (or more) for the better part of the year

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Dreadful example. Nobody doubted for an instant that a plug in Prius was coming soon. Soon? How soon? What was coming? Toyota introduced it ahead of schedule, after downplaying expectations and withholding specifications. That ploy is often used in

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi and Defkalion have been jerking well meaning and interested people around by the thousands (or more) for the better part of the year and all you can do is come up with ridiculous explanations and defenses for these people? You call this a

RE: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Harry: I suspect he does not want to take the risk of an independently tested ecat behaving erractically. He fears the published results would make his commercial promises look silly, even if the basic energy producing claims are validated. From Jed: That's an interesting

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Are you seeing the ads?  Especially on: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.html I am seeing the ads on both a Mac G5 running IBM RISC chips using Safari, and an Intel based Win 7 system using

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread David Roberson
The curve I was referring to is the T2(mis) curve. There is a well defined bump that peaks at 16:00 time. This is one of the curves of the actual ECAT measurement and I was looking to see if your source demonstrated anything resembling it. I was expecting to see a reason that the model did

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I If you were a competitor, such as someone with affiliations with the fossil fuel industry, a mega-industry that obviously wouldn't want Rossi's eCats to survive, if one of those individuals or

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Rossi is instead employing passive-tactics indirectly... The Allies knew the Germans thought this, so they conducted Operation Fortitude to reinforce that expectation. The point I was trying to make, and forgot to make, is that deception is often passive. You persuade your enemy

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: You do not know what you are talking about. Well, that's a good argument. So you ARE going to buy a 1 MW reactor?!? I am astounded. I am not buying a leaky claptrap collection of 100 or so badly assembled, messy

Re: [Vo]: NOT = NOT off topic, 2.188 = 2*1.094

2011-12-23 Thread mixent
In reply to fznidar...@aol.com's message of Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:47:56 -0500 (EST): Hi Frank, [snip] Is this angular velocity of the electron about it's own center, or centered on something else (e.g. the nucleus)? That's I problem I have also. I have found that the angular velocity of the

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: You can say their strategy is stupid, or it will probably fail for thus and such reason, or that you would do things differently. But the notion that it has to be justified by your standards -- or by some universal

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The curve I was referring to is the T2(mis) curve. There is a well defined bump that peaks at 16:00 time. This is one of the curves of the actual ECAT measurement and I was looking to see if your source demonstrated

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 07:10 AM 12/23/2011, Yram Oguy wrote: Ha! Your cleverly disguised name is a FAKE. Your REAL name is Yra M. O'Guy so .. BUSTED !

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: That is the ultimate in silliness. If anyone develops a robust example of cold fusion/LENR power generation, it will sell world wide better than hotcakes with strawberry syrup and whipped cream on top ever did. NOTHING -- not regulation, oil interests,

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Even today, doctors in the US kill hundreds of thousands of patients every year because they do not bother to wash their hands or sterilize properly. They are not ignorant. They are lazy, unprofessional and uncaring,

RE: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: ... It is just a matter of paying a bigger bribe. This is how US industry has worked since 1865, and the building of the transcontinental railroad. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I have no choice but to do both. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: That is the ultimate in silliness. If anyone develops a robust example of cold fusion/LENR power generation, it will sell world wide better than hotcakes with strawberry syrup

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: That is the ultimate in silliness. If anyone develops a robust example of cold fusion/LENR power

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: You insist on comparing a supposed cold fusion/LENR robust power power plant to Netflix, IBM, and Edison. But that's silly. Because I believe the effect is real. Naturally, you do not think so because you do not think it is real. You have to imagine my

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:44 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Aseptic technique may be imperfect in many places but hundreds of thousands of death due to negligence? Cite please. And not some whacko website, please. http://www.safepatientproject.org/2007/05/cdc_publishes_sobering_stats_o.html In a newly released

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Michele Comitini
I get no ads here: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0d7qppz88 mic 2011/12/23 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Are you seeing the ads?  Especially on: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.html

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:53 PM 12/23/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 02:44 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Aseptic technique may be imperfect in many places but hundreds of thousands of death due to negligence? Cite please. And not some whacko website, please.

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Of course, Jed was 13 short of hundreds of thousands -- but that's just Hospitals. Add in nursing hoems,clinics, doctor's offices Hey, I was just an order of magnitude low. I always say, what's an order of magnitude among friends? In my experience,

Re: [Vo]: NOT = NOT off topic, 2.188 = 2*1.094

2011-12-23 Thread fznidarsic
Its sort of like angular momentum. (Mvr) Planck's constant of angular momentum is centered around both. The difference is its the Compton frequency times length. -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:13 pm

RE: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Zell, Chris
I have to feel stunned by the naivete of some of you. Major corporations are entirely capable of murder or theft. I suggest you read up on John Perkins and his book Confessions of an Economic Hitman in which he cites various coincidences of third world leaders who met with an accident after

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: I am really curious: who do you think tried to stop FF . . . Oh for crying out loud. Tried to stop? Really?!? Look, they did not try -- they succeeded! I know exactly who they are. Everyone knows who they are! I have met the leading members of the

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: Or perhaps you could speak with minor officials in Florida who were documenting fraud by Too Big To Fail banks - until their superior told them that their services were no longer required... and afterward have NO ONE got to jail for what could be the

Re: [Vo]: NOT = NOT off topic, 2.188 = 2*1.094

2011-12-23 Thread Jeff Driscoll
Mills says the hydrogen atom has 1 unit of angular momentum m*v*r at all orbit states from n = 1/137.0599 to n = infiity though around the spin axis, it has 1/2 unit of angular momentum, with the other 1/2 unit of the angular momentum spread out on other axis. this is why the hydrogen atom is

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Such a thing would be more revolutionary and would gain faster acceptance and more interest than anything done in the last hundred years. If you believe that, you do not know

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Are you seeing the ads? Especially on: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.html I am seeing the ads on both a Mac G5 running IBM RISC

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Vorl Bek
Jed Rothwell says: Do you think OPEC and Big Coal will be thrilled? You think they will roll over and play dead? They will demand that it be banned. And when the Chinese and Japanese and everybody with a brain starts churning out ecats, will Big Coal knock on their door and demand that they

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Are you seeing the ads? Especially on: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.html I am seeing the ads on both a Mac G5 running IBM RISC

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:  A plausible method of fakery is not evidence of fakery. Obviously not. But heat, by itself, is not evidence of a nuclear reaction, if the

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Horace Heffner
The problem may have started when I clocked on the link at the bottom of my December 17th, 2011 at 12:43 AM post here: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=179 I get the ads no matter how I reference the link: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.html Best

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Are you seeing the ads?  Especially on: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59132.html I am seeing the ads on both a Mac G5 running IBM RISC chips using Safari, and an Intel based Win 7 system using

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Look, they did not try -- they succeeded! [...] WHO tried to stop PF's first efforts? HOW did they do it? So, you say cold fusion research was stopped. It has produced nothing. $200 million spent (Nagel's

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The curve I was referring to is the T2(mis) curve. There is a well defined bump that peaks at 16:00 time. This is one of the curves of the actual ECAT measurement and I was looking to see if your source demonstrated

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Of course, Jed was 13 short of hundreds of thousands -- but that's just Hospitals. Add in nursing hoems,clinics, doctor's offices Hey, I was just an order of magnitude low.

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate? 17C London

2011-12-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
17th Century London : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070102/Royal-Society-exhibition-John-Graunts-1679-medical-stats-reveal-Londoners-causes-death.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/05/article-0-0F0E28C60578-628_964x1085.jpg Consumption and Cough is in the lead, at 44,487

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Read history. Learn something. Don't ask ignorant questions. I uploaded 1,200 papers for a reason, so that people can learn things. Don't ask me to spoon-feed you every morsel of information. Do your own damn homework.

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:22 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Ah... but you see, not every infection in a hospital is preventable, even with the most meticulous technique. While a few doctors are slobs and a few hospital are trash pits, most in the US are not. People get infections from their relatives and

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
Some is avoidable, some not. The problem is less with doctors and nurses than it is with aides of various types, janitors, food workers, and all the other less educated hospital staff. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 04:22 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:35 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Some is avoidable, some not. The problem is less with doctors and nurses than it is with aides of various types, janitors, food workers, and all the other less educated hospital staff. Hospital Infections: Preventable and Unacceptable WSJ 2008 :

Re: [Vo]:vortex-l archives are being monetized?

2011-12-23 Thread Michele Comitini
Horace, It's something related to cookies. Do clean all those related to mail-archive.com. Ads should disappear then. mic 2011/12/24 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Are you seeing the ads?  Especially on:

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL What is the best way to advocate?

2011-12-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:35 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Some is avoidable, some not. The problem is less with doctors and nurses than it is with aides of various types, janitors, food workers, and all the other less educated hospital staff. 5 google clicks seems to disprove your hypothesis. eg

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Charles Hope
Another secret contact! Why can't your friend create a throwaway hotmail account like anyone else? On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:27, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:37 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Hello Mary, I wonder if you could ask your source

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: It is not sufficient evidence, but it still can be interpreted as evidence of nuclear reactions. I don't agree. Not if the heat is coming from a 100 kg device that we're not allowed to inspect. If it were heat +

[Vo]:Rossi comments on National Instruments

2011-12-23 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=15#comment-155608 * Andrea Rossi December 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=15#comment-155608 Dear Jan Srajer: National Instruments is the best Partner a manufacturer of plants of

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on National Instruments

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Earlier this year Rossi made similar glowing remarks about the professors from Uppsala University. Is he working with them today? No. Harry On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=15#comment-155608

[Vo]:Rossi comments on 1 MW E-Cat energy density

2011-12-23 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=39#comment-155427 * Andrea Rossi December 23rd, 2011 at 11:37 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=39#comment-155427 Dear Alby: I never banned you. Probably your comment has been spammed by the robot,

[Vo]:POLITICAL: Best way to advocate REVISTED and question

2011-12-23 Thread Ruby
Thank you for the suggestions on the earlier thread. I get a digest and must learn how to Reply to a thread. Before the discussion veered, the best way to advocate was listed (if I didn't miss any): 1. do not make a stink with the Navy 2. inform journalists what is up 3. buy a unit 1. Jed,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on National Instruments

2011-12-23 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Rossi has said this theory work is being done by others. What does this have to do with National Instruments who are working with Rossi and his 1st customer to implement a better control system for the 1 MW E-Cat plants? I would suggest the goal is self sustained E-Cat operation, over a wide

Re: [Vo]:POLITICAL: Best way to advocate REVISTED and question

2011-12-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: 1. Jed, I won't make a stink with the Navy. I do not want trouble for the lone woman researcher in this field. However, if a stink *does* need raising, just say the word. Question: Is there another female cold fusion scientist?

[Vo]:Re: Rossi comments on 1 MW E-Cat energy density

2011-12-23 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
So Rossi is saying the volume of the reactor assembly minus the fins and water tank is 0.318 m^3 / 106 E-Cats = 3,000 cm^3 per E-Cat module. Based on the reactor assembly being 5 cm thick, as Lewan stated, I get the other dimensions as 24.5 x 24.5 cm which agrees with other statements and

[Vo]:Re: Rossi comments on 1 MW E-Cat energy density

2011-12-23 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Lewan said the reactor core assembly was 20 x 20 x 1 cm and was encased in a 5 cm thick lead slab. As Rossi has said the E-Cat reactor is shielded by 2 cm of lead, it all fits. A unshielded 20 x 20 x 1 cm reactor core assembly, with 3 reactor cores inside, would end up being 24 x 24 x 5 cm

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