Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Jack-- In the following link to the resistance wire plot (http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/exp5resistance.png) it appears that the resistance of the controls heater wire did not change. Was the temperature of the control constant? It would be desirable to display th

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2015/01/13/hot-cat-replication-attempt/ see power drops near 3393 and 3499, but output temperature stays constant. On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:40 PM, wrote: > In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:17:13 -0500: > Hi, > [snip] > >If you have noted,

Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.

In reply to Jack Cole's message of Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:23:05 -0600: Hi, [snip] >It's very difficult to make this type of seal. When the cement is wet, the >hydrogen easily passes through. I use a dangerous gas detector as I heat >it up, but as yet, have not achieved a seal in experiments I've tr

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

H Veeder wrote: > I am not sure what Piantelli meant, but even if the magnitude of the heat > anomaly is real, can we say with confidence that "cold fusion" will be a > cost effective means of generating energy, i.e. will the energy required to > a manufacture a "cold fusion" reactor be signific

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:24:12 -0500: Hi, [snip] > The whole distribution and control system will be >scrapped, and that alone will cut your electric bill by half or two-thirds. >So even if the individual generator costs a bit more per kilowatt of >capacity, it wil

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Axil, I do this already through my programmable power supply. My program which controls the power supply adjusts the power output every 5 seconds to maintain a constant power output. It's not perfect since the R was changing rapidly allowing some fluctuation in power resulting in the average inp

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:44:55 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Micro-computers are being replaced with WEB based display units where all >the applications are centralized on the web: Office 360. > >A home owner will not tolerate the requirement to change his LENR powder >every 6 m

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:17:13 -0500: Hi, [snip] >If you have noted, at the far end of Jack Cole's temperature curve, the >power feed to the heater is still fluctuating but the temperature of the >reactor stays constant. Has LENR gain set in? I think so. Which temper

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Axil Axil wrote: If what all you say is true, why isn't cogeneration more common? > For the reasons explained in my book. A small electric power generator today has many disadvantages over a large one. It costs more to run per kilowatt-hour, because it is inefficient. It has problems with pollut

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:34:47 -0500: Hi Dave, [snip] >That is a question that has bothered me for a long time Robin. I suspect that the answer is a combination of two things, environmental heat energy, and chemical combination energy released by the formation o

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 19:44:40 -0500: Hi, [snip] >The personal home based LENR reactor is not going to sell. Nah, and neither will them new-fangled "personal computer" things. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Sun, 18 Jan 2015 00:12:31 +0100: Hi, [snip] >one point about blackswan not so black. >even Taleb agree that most blackswan could be predicted. >But the people who took the decision could not see it. > >most blackswan, even fukushima, were in fact predictable w

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Axil-- Like I have, homeowners will have backup power supplies or two independent LENR power supplies. It will be more reliable than the grid is particularly in the Northeast where ice storms do their job on the grid regularly. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vorte

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

If what all you say is true, why isn't cogeneration more common? On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > Yes, computing is become grid based. Its all about energy return on energy >> investment. If the LENR power unit can produce far more power that it takes

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Despite Axil's authoritarian wisdom about cost effective power for concentrated populations, I agree with you. Apartment owners will provide a central heating and electrical system without a grid hookup to pay a middle man for unneeded distribution services. I will not worry about the demise

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Axil Axil wrote: Yes, computing is become grid based. Its all about energy return on energy > investment. If the LENR power unit can produce far more power that it takes > to build and maintain it, then it has a chance to replace the grid. But I > don't see this LENR EREI yet. > Not yet, of cour

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Axil Axil wrote: > A home owner will not tolerate the requirement to change his LENR powder > every 6 months on all the hundreds of his electrical devices. > There is no reason to think cold fusion device will need to be changed out every 6 months! That's silly. Some have already run for 3 mon

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:36:24 -0500: Hi, [snip] >I believe that the air thins out much too quickly with altitude. The first >stage would only be useful up to mount everest's elevation. ..but maybe that's enough, if the second & third stages are bigger, which

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

If you have noted, at the far end of Jack Cole's temperature curve, the power feed to the heater is still fluctuating but the temperature of the reactor stays constant. Has LENR gain set in? I think so. On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:08 PM, wrote: > In reply to Jack Cole's message of Sat, 17 Jan 201

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Yes, computing is become grid based. Its all about energy return on energy investment. If the LENR power unit can produce far more power that it takes to build and maintain it, then it has a chance to replace the grid. But I don't see this LENR EREI yet. On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Jed Rothwe

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

In reply to Jack Cole's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 16:47:13 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Axil, > >You may find a plot of a the resistance during the successful run vs. the >control run to be of interest. > >http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/exp5resistance.png > >Best, >Jack Fast pa

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Axil Axil wrote: Micro-computers are being replaced with WEB based display units where all > the applications are centralized on the web: Office 360. > And those web based applications run on itty-bitty microcomputers velcroed together. At least, mine do. I use Google apps. Their server computer

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Check out the development of diamond cable http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/10/tech/innovation/space-elevator-nanotechnology/ On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:41 PM, wrote: > In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:47:23 -0500: > Hi, > [snip] > > wrote: > > > > > >> Actually what I had in

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:54:11 -0500: Hi, [snip] >If Mills is correct, that would produce far more energy than H2 chemical >fuel. That's another story. I do not classify that as "chemical" in the >conventional sense. It is not caused by electron bonds. Not quite t

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Eric Walker wrote: > I for one will not miss power lines. > You won't miss paying for them either. They cost roughly a third of your electric bill in many places. It may not seem that way, but you have to take into account the cost of repairing them after storms. At this moment in Georgia there

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

You can make the power into the load fairly constant as the load changes impedance if you place a series resistor in the path who's value is equal to the wire resistance. Of course you will be throwing away an amount of power that is equal to that taken by the load. This is a crude form of imp

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:47:23 -0500: Hi, [snip] > wrote: > > >> Actually what I had in mind was more something with just jet engines iso >> rocket >> engines, not something carried into the air on the back of a jet. >> > >What is the typo "iso" supposed to be? Ins

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Micro-computers are being replaced with WEB based display units where all the applications are centralized on the web: Office 360. A home owner will not tolerate the requirement to change his LENR powder every 6 months on all the hundreds of his electrical devices. If his refrigerator fails becau

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Axil Axil wrote: In an apartment building complex in which 10,000 people live, it is cost > effective to wire the apartments together to the city wide GRID than to > install a separate LENR reactor in each apartment. > It is now, but it will not be when cold fusion power supply technology matur

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

I believe that the air thins out much too quickly with altitude. The first stage would only be useful up to mount everest's elevation. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

That is a question that has bothered me for a long time Robin. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:40:18 -0800: Hi

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Axil Axil wrote: > Humanity will continue to migrate into the city from the remote > countryside Cities will house people in high concentrations. > In high concentrations, central generators may remain cost effective for a while. Eventually, all machines will have built in cold fusion power sup

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

In an apartment building complex in which 10,000 people live, it is cost effective to wire the apartments together to the city wide GRID than to install a separate LENR reactor in each apartment. This GRID decision is based on population density. On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wr

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: There is tremendous overhead to this method [a centralized one]. It is > needed with today's generator technology but it would serve no purpose with > cold fusion. > I for one will not miss power lines. Eric

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Axil Axil wrote: > Personal power generators are only installed in a few well to do > households. Everybody else uses the GRID. This is true now and into any > foreseeable LENR future. > I disagree. When the technology matures, using cold fusion in a central generator will cost about 3 times mo

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Humanity will continue to migrate into the city from the remote countryside Cities will house people in high concentrations. Power production will continue to be grid based and connected to huge power stations where economies of scale will rule the day. On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Bob Cook w

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Axil-- I generate my own power in my house by solar and have no grid power within 60 miles. Many people do. I would love a home style Rossi heat source, particularly, if it had a thermionic electron generator or even a simple thermocouple hookup. I looks to me like Bill Gates, Woods, etal.,

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

The personal home based LENR reactor is not going to sell. But a utility based high output LENR generator station will be readily accepted by the utilities. DGT and Rossi are wasting time in developing a home based unit. Personal power generators are only installed in a few well to do households.

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Change A large laptop charger of a car battery charger might work paired with a constant power regulator of sufficient power rating.. To A large laptop charger or a car battery charger might work paired with a constant power regulator of sufficient power rating.. On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 7:16 PM

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Hi Jack. The behavior of the power supplied to the core heater is interesting. A constant power circuit might best be used to minimize the power fluctuations supplied to the reactor heater so that the temperature of the heater stays constant and predictable and most important adjustable. The deta

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

one point about blackswan not so black. even Taleb agree that most blackswan could be predicted. But the people who took the decision could not see it. most blackswan, even fukushima, were in fact predictable with existing data. most blackswan are simply whiteswan kept in a dark room. Subprime wa

Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.

In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:19:18 -0700: Hi, [snip] >I guess the reason is that LENR has always been considered a condensed >matter reaction, not a gas or liquid phase reaction. The alumina is still >solid, even if the Ni is not. If we consider the Ni to be the LENR

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

wrote: > Actually what I had in mind was more something with just jet engines iso > rocket > engines, not something carried into the air on the back of a jet. > What is the typo "iso" supposed to be? Instead of? Inside of? Anyway, you need both. The jet engines no longer work at high altitudes

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Axil, You may find a plot of a the resistance during the successful run vs. the control run to be of interest. http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/exp5resistance.png Best, Jack On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > There is one interesting type of behavio

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:08:00 -0500: Hi, [snip] > wrote: > > >> One would think that it ought to be possible to significantly reduce the >> weight >> of the first stage of a rocket by using jet engines iso rocket engines. >> That way >> you save the weight of the

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:40:18 -0800: Hi, [snip] >On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:07 PM, wrote: > >BTW, formation of 1 molecule of Hydrogen gas from atomic Hydrogen yields >> 4.519 >> eV per H2 molecule. >> > >By comparing this reaction to the formation of water through

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

Jones Beene wrote: > *But somebody must lose** in this picture**.** The big question mark: can > th**e upcoming** tidal wave** be stopped by OPEC/Big Oil** …** or is it > too late for** them**?* > > My answer based on history: No, it cannot be stopped by them, and yet, no, it is not too late. W

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:07 PM, wrote: BTW, formation of 1 molecule of Hydrogen gas from atomic Hydrogen yields > 4.519 > eV per H2 molecule. > By comparing this reaction to the formation of water through the burning (oxidation) of hydrogen, one can get a sense of how much chemical energy is re

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

DEar Jones, with your permission I will repeat your points in the editorial of tomorrow- very consistent. Thank you, Peter On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* Peter Gluck > > > *http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/01/yu-n-bazhutov-answers-news-coming-fast.html* >

RE: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

From: Peter Gluck http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/01/yu-n-bazhutov-answers-news-coming-fast.html wish you a fine weekend, Quote from Peter’s Blog worth repeating here: “It is still a Parkhomov moment, the world is waiting his new results to be announced on 27 and 29 January. He helps

Re: [Vo]:Jack Cole's report on Hot Cat replication

Thanks Alan. Great work! On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:14 PM, AlanG wrote: > Here's a better link to my report on sealing alumina tubes: > http://www.evernote.com/l/AXfl-iUGsYBIZIFOOue-rH9OiCkc4t-3lm8/ > > AlanG > On 1/15/2015 6:57 PM, Jack Cole wrote: > > The description in the report is insuffic

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

There is one interesting type of behavior that I have noticed between the dummy heat profile calibration runs of the MFMP Dog Bone and the LENR experiment. This strange behavior is also found in Jack Coles experiment, There is a high degree of heat fluctuation in the LENR experiment that does not

RE: [Vo]:Jack Cole's report on Hot Cat replication

From: AlanG Here's a better link to my report on sealing alumina tubes: http://www.evernote.com/l/AXfl-iUGsYBIZIFOOue-rH9OiCkc4t-3lm8/ AlanG Thanks. The (ceramic tube-to-metal w/compression fitting - at moderate temp) - makes so much more sense than trying to seal ceramic at high temp. Makes

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Axil Axil wrote: > Energy storage in LENR is not based on chemistry. On the contrary is > based on Light matter entanglement. Electron, holes and infrared photons > become entangled at x-ray photon energies. > There is no evidence that LENR is a form of energy storage. If it were, the calorime

Re: [Vo]:Jack Cole's report on Hot Cat replication

Here's a better link to my report on sealing alumina tubes: http://www.evernote.com/l/AXfl-iUGsYBIZIFOOue-rH9OiCkc4t-3lm8/ AlanG On 1/15/2015 6:57 PM, Jack Cole wrote: The description in the report is insufficient to determine what was used to make the seal and whether it was hermetically seal

Re: [Vo]:Jack Cole's report on Hot Cat replication

Alan, That sounds good. For some reason, the link is not working for me (blank page). On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, AlanG wrote: > I'm working on this issue for MFMP, with good progress. Best success so > far is with Swagelok aluminum ferrules and stainless steel nuts, applied > directly

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

More... When it comes to EMF, things usually come in pairs: positive and negative charge, north south magnetic poles, electrons and positrons, particles and anti particles, a vortex and an anti vortex. The same is true for an SPP, a child of dipole vibration, the SPP comes in a pair. Not only doe

Re: [Vo]:Jack Cole's report on Hot Cat replication

I'm working on this issue for MFMP, with good progress. Best success so far is with Swagelok aluminum ferrules and stainless steel nuts, applied directly to the alumina tube. This combination is vacuum tight at 30 microns and pressure tight at 10 bar and nearly 800 C (at the center of the tube)

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > If he or anyone else can show a way to store more energy per gram than O2 > - H2 fuel, they will revolutionize energy technology. This would be a > tremendous breakthrough. I am confident he has not found this. > > Even as a storage medium

Re: [Vo]:TRISO LENR pellet

Brillouin seems to be moving away from the fluidized bed (pellet) reactor design, to an elegant hot tube built around a vacuum-sputtered layer of nickel on ceramic. See pg. 36-39 of the recent patent application: http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id0026903329.pdf Other in

[Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

I have published this http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/01/yu-n-bazhutov-answers-news-coming-fast.html for the 6th Monday of this week wish you a fine weekend, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Jones, I am very ok with your perspective but in my heart of hearts I think electron spin is locally little changed and it is the entire atom that becomes Lorentzian contracted/ temporally dilated in a negative way, proton and all not just the orbital. The atom randomly migrates into regions whe

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

​Axil, ​t hanks for the link. It took me to another link which ​is about a very important ​ economic ​theory called the Khazzoom–Brookes postulate ​ which is the modern formulation of Jevon's paradox​ first noticed in 1865. This theory should inform energy policy but it is not widely known. ​wiki

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Axil Axil wrote: > Piantelli is correct in principle if not in detail. > No, he is wrong. If he or anyone else can show a way to store more energy per gram than O2 - H2 fuel, they will revolutionize energy technology. This would be a tremendous breakthrough. I am confident he has not found this.

Re: [Vo]:Oil Stocks Continue to Tank--

Terry in a separate thread stated: "Perhaps he speaks of fractional Rydberg states? You could call that energy stored from about 13 billion years ago." :-) It seems reasonable to me the Saudis and others are getting rid of their relatively new stored energy while the Sun shines and they can

RE: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Yes. Good observation. It is all a matter of large-scale perspective. What we think of as a "ground state" can indeed be a form of stored energy - to the degree that there are redundant states which are stable after releasing substantial energy which comes from electron spin (angular momentum et

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

Thanks Terry - I was about to make a similar point regarding fractional hydrogen - you don't have to agree with the Naudt's proposal that the hydrogen is relativistic because even just from the perspective of fractional hydrogen loading into a lattice with defects you are still storing potential